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Is there anyone to fight for Russia?

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In recent years, there has been a constant debate on the Internet - who will fight for Russia in the event of a global war (with the United States, China, etc.)? Say, "look for fools who will go to die for Putin, oligarchs, for oil and gas" ... Well, well ...

For what to die and for whom?


Well, firstly, not all opponents of Putin and United Russia. In March 2018, he was an observer in the presidential elections, and believe it or not, the majority voted for Putin. Personally, I went door-to-door more and almost everyone said “I’m for Putin” or “show me where (in the bulletin) Putin is”. What I personally saw, I say.

Secondly, the people are fighting not for the flag or the President, but for their families and homes, their land - I think in 1914 or 1941 few people seriously thought about such words as "Motherland", "patriotism" and the like, but millions peasants-collective farmers or indigenous natives of, say, Siberia might not even have suspected about them ...

Step out into the rain for a day


Another popular anti-Russian slogan was “let them go outside for a day in the rain and stand up”. Especially these Russophobic words appeared after the beginning of the "Immortal Regiment" and stickers on cars like "If necessary, we will repeat!"

The meaning is this: those who want to repeat - let them go and stand for a day in the rain, snow, in the heat. Oh well...

Millions of Russians (well, or Russian - whichever you prefer) men plow on collective farms, on roads, railways in the rain and snow. Many millions of citizens have their own gardens, plots or, at least, summer cottages - so they scared the cat with sour cream! I have not crawled out from my personal hacienda for hours and have not died yet.

Tens of millions of Russians have gone through the army, and they are also little surprised. And according to the statistics of the Pension Fund for 2020, 1 people are combat veterans (that is, they have this certificate). Of course, they actually were in battles, under fire, went through explosions and ambushes, okay, if 488% (or maybe less). Yes, many already have “age and health” far from ideal, but, as the saying goes, “for one beaten, two unbeaten ones give”, so this is also a big plus for the combat capability and readiness to “stand a day in the rain” for the Russian army.

Another popular comment is that - "how and with what to fight"?

Say, have forgotten how since 1945 and Afgan?

I would like to remind you of South Ossetia and Syria - and with much lower losses than, say, in Afghanistan: in 2008, 73 Russian servicemen were killed, in the SAR - at least 176 (but obviously not 15, as in the DRA).

At the same time, unlike the Soviet army, contractors are fighting in the Russian army - that is, professional military men who consciously chose their path, these are adult men, and many of them have combat experience.

Well, about those who write such liberal-anti-Russian nonsense, they are either really not far from our Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal ancestors, or (more likely) they are representatives of such professions that are extremely necessary in our time as tiktokers, office managers, baristas, etc. like, who never served in their birth, and even more so did not really fight - it is much safer to surf the Internet!

They don't go further than their offices, cafes and foreign cars, and therefore - how do they know about the millions of Vasilievs and Ivanovs who have passed through the Caucasus and Syria or are working in collective farms and in mines?

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Well, those who will fight for Russia, I think, will always be - the flags and the system are changing, but Russia is standing! And what about the stickers on foreign cars - what difference does that make? You can be a patriot and drive a Mercedes, or you can be a "patriot" and drive a Prior: it doesn't change anything.
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  1. Gennady Bryansky
    Gennady Bryansky 13 October 2021 10: 35
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    The article "test" is true in essence. Well done author.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 October 2021 18: 21
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      . 1941 not many people who seriously thought about words such as "Motherland", "patriotism" and the like

      Unfortunately, there were. A million Russians (Khivi) fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler. Not all of them were cowardly traitors, but they were ideological opponents of the Red Communists. It is significant that the Germans did not fight in such numbers against Germany.

      But, in the USSR, the power was popular and fair, unlike today! Do you think there will be fewer ideological opponents in the current anti-national realities?
      1. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 13 October 2021 18: 35
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        I think that today's opponents of the "regime" have a purely selfish, possessive interest hidden behind an ephemeral ideology. And what kind of anti-national realities are? Hospital retirement again
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 13 October 2021 19: 36
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          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          I think that today's opponents of the "regime" are covered with an ephemeral ideology. purely selfish, possessive interest.

          Well, be it in your opinion, the opponents of the oligarchic regime have a selfish interest ... although I don’t understand how you can make money on this! You can make money on bunks, for sure. The rest is questionable.
          And, tell me, do our oligarchs and officials have any interest in supporting the cannibalistic regime that is now in the country? Exclusively out of love for the Motherland and the Russian people?

          You, I understand, are a big "patriot" for the king and the EP drown! Well, explain it to us clearly.
          1. Andrey Moskvin
            Andrey Moskvin 13 October 2021 19: 51
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            Yes, I'm not "drowning" for anyone (what kind of teenage vocabulary?). I'm just tired of the eternal whining about our Russian affairs. And those who live well are complaining. Is it not enough for them? Or Shpakovsky alone can live well in Russia.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 13 October 2021 21: 43
              +47
              Do you really not understand or are you joking? The attitude of the authorities to their old people and children is the first indicator of the quality and humanity of this government. People live poorly, because the lion's share of the public pie is devoured by a handful of usurpers of power, who muddied the restoration in the early 90s. To have arrogance, wolf teeth, belittling or even hatred of people in order to cobble together for old age, qualities are not available to very many. And when a person becomes unbearable to work hard on the bourgeois, he is thrown to the bottom. There are millions of them. A just state did not do that. Or write them off as waste material, let the process take its course. Arrange natural selection, who can fit into the jungle. And nothing that the hands of these people created everything that you use to this day?
              1. Andrey Moskvin
                Andrey Moskvin 14 October 2021 02: 57
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                This is all dreamy chatter. In empires there was no other way, and no! All demagogues on this topic keep the USSR in their thoughts, but this is impossible to repeat. There is no paradise and will not be! I am a hard worker, and I have enough. And those who "can't work hard on the bourgeois" are hypocrites who suffer from the impossibility of being a bourgeois himself.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 14 October 2021 06: 49
                  +21
                  You still have enough, as long as you can work, with high intensity and for many hours, otherwise the backbone does not want to pay. If a loner is an egoist, there is no family, then it is possible that something will be postponed for old age, they will only gobble up, galloping prices, all the stash, and these pay a scanty pension. And then if you live to work for 12-13 hours with a minimum of days off.
                  If it was possible at least once, you can not only repeat but also improve. Bourgeois is a foreign body on Earth, globally a minimum of benefits, nasty things are not measured.
                  1. AnpeL
                    AnpeL 14 October 2021 10: 56
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                    In order to fight for the country, you still need incentives, ideals, and at least minimal guarantees for at least something.
                    Right now, I think that at the legislative level, it is necessary to oblige all domestic media and officials to give a broad explanation that the soldiers who have completed military service are actually scum, tk. they shouldn't even dream of any career in life.
                    If someone intending to serve a conscript still has some illusions about, say, the further continuation of service in uniform, then his maximum is ensign stars in 20 years. Leading positions and high ranks only for those who did not serve.
                    So let them think once more.
                    1. AnpeL
                      AnpeL 16 October 2021 04: 45
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                      What a damn piss for the truth to tell. And the boys should be responsible for you. The coolest thing is that not a single comment on the minus. That's how it is - an article for the truth, but in fact hundreds of jackals for the repose
                      1. AnpeL
                        AnpeL 16 October 2021 04: 47
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                        Anyway, there are more of those who did not serve urgently. But they think that the deadline is about nothing. Why have you vulgarized yourself to the LORD. Which of the BAS will send their offspring to the service
                      2. AnpeL
                        AnpeL 16 October 2021 05: 03
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                        Do you know how obosratushki differ from realov ???????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 18 October 2021 10: 33
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                    Quote: AnpeL
                    If someone intending to serve a conscript still has some illusions about, say, the further continuation of service in uniform, then his maximum is ensign stars in 20 years. Leading positions and high ranks only for those who did not serve

                    The nephew, after a term (2 Chechen), went to the border guards. He studied in absentia, now a major, he will retire as a lieutenant colonel. He does not want to make a career - he likes it better, although his superiors offer a promotion.
                2. Andrey Moskvin
                  Andrey Moskvin 14 October 2021 15: 17
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                  Do you want to repeat the civil one?
                  Eat pineapples, chew grouse ...?
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 14 October 2021 18: 12
                    +9
                    I really didn't like the GW, although it was very short. Contusion and a hole in the body, but if they allowed themselves, why do you deprive others of the right to defend their beliefs, including by force? These have killed my fair country, not at all bothering with snot. They drove up the tanks for direct fire and at the Supreme Soviet, as in some banana republic.
                    I do not want war, let them return everything to the treasury and bring them to the spiritual mentors. There they will be very happy to come running with a bare bottom.
                    1. Andrey Moskvin
                      Andrey Moskvin 14 October 2021 20: 37
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                      If they return everything to the treasury (which is a priori impracticable), then who will need them there?
                      And I feel sorry for our former state no less than yours, I think. I accidentally saved my Soviet passport. hi
                    2. Essex62
                      Essex62 14 October 2021 21: 01
                      +5
                      Doable, very doable. Under a certain situation, which they themselves create. October was also only after bourgeois February. And the country has lived 70 conscientiously, the experience remained. Correct, taking into account, and build a society of equal opportunities for all, and no one managed to suck on the faucet, and educate a collectivist. Of course, at first, some of the egoists will have to hit in the head, so that they understand that they are wrong.
                    3. Normal ok
                      Normal ok 14 October 2021 22: 05
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      Doable, very doable. Under a certain situation, which they themselves create. October was also only after bourgeois February. And the country has lived 70 conscientiously, the experience remained. Correct, taking into account, and build a society of equal opportunities for all, and no one managed to suck on the faucet, and educate a collectivist. Of course, at first, some of the egoists will have to hit in the head, so that they understand that they are wrong.

                      I myself once hoped that we would not be considered a "diploma" but people. They gave a shit at all ...
                    4. your1970
                      your1970 18 October 2021 10: 42
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      a society of equal opportunities for all, and no one managed to suck on the faucet and educate a collectivist.

                      Therefore, in the USSR, postmen, cleaners and nannies received 60 rubles?
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Of course, at first, some of the egoists will have to hit in the head, so that they understand that they are wrong.

                      The list is somewhat long, for example, you will have to slap ALL the farmers who bought up collective farm land.
                      I think that at least 2-3 million will have to be - from ....... "to the Mogilev province" (c) previous GV
                    5. Essex62
                      Essex62 19 October 2021 00: 04
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                      Come on. No need to spank anyone. Even our upper bourgeoisie are still Soviet comrades. Only 30 years, and in both systems, at the same time, inhabited. 100 years ago, 1000 years old had to be broken, it was difficult to refrain from murder, and the hatred, for such a period of time the peasant has accumulated no joke, today only a bunch of spud and that's all. It will do without a lot of blood.
                      Of course, you will have to modernize the system, and very deeply. Taking into account modern communications and the achievements of scientific and technological progress.
                      The turner brought home 200-250 rubles at the nurse's kindergarten. And no one bothered her to find a better paid job, just cross the street.
                    6. your1970
                      your1970 19 October 2021 01: 08
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      nannies in kindergarten man turner brought home 200-250 rubles

                      Do you think that my husband’s husband went to work as nannies and postmen with 200 rubles ???????? 6300 men were taken to the front from us - and 800 returned back ...
                      Naturally - zero education. What nafig high paying ??
                      Yes, any Soviet cleaner could even give the minister a rag in the face with a rag - they were waiting for her everywhere for the position of a cleaner

                      Quote: Essex62
                      Only 30 years, and in both systems, at the same time, inhabited. 100 years ago, 1000 years old had to be broken, it was difficult to refrain from murder, and the hatred, for such a period of time the peasant has accumulated no joke, today only a bunch of spud and that's all. It will do without a lot of blood.
                      holy naivete .....
                      Let's say you built a house for 30 years, invested your soul and money ... Come - and there a man sits in your chair at your table and says to you - "Come on, you comrade from here !!!!! The house was once a collective farm! !!! "and podzhopnik you heartily ....
                      Mm???!!! Will you gladly work as a hard worker in that collective farm then ????

                      And besides - since they are with money - they corrupt any new system in a day. Maximum for two ...
                    7. Essex62
                      Essex62 21 October 2021 09: 07
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                      My mother worked as a teacher in a kindergarten, and the state paid my father a very decent salary for the hard work of a military pilot. And when he died, he paid his pension, right up to my majority.
                      I did not understand about the collective farm at all. Who will sit there with the money? Socialism prohibits personal gain. There won't be any money to buy everyone. Yes, a part of the People, who have been stuffed with bourgeois poison in their heads, will have to explain the depravity of capitalism. Well, that's why she and the Soviet power, and it is this form of state structure that should be reanimated, without the dominance of partocrats, a caring and reasonable will cope. No doubt. Somewhere with a carrot, somewhere with a whip. As always in the history of mankind.
                      And this one that invested money to partisan will go? Let me not believe it. The intestine is thin. They are strong only behind the back of their power, because they can coerce by force. When changing the formation, they will go to work like everyone else, and not warm up the belly by warm water, eating up the margin created by the hands of a hard worker. Smart, competent creative - you are welcome to the position of director, but for a strictly regulated salary.
                    8. your1970
                      your1970 21 October 2021 12: 25
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      And this one that invested money to partisan will go? Let me not believe it. The intestine is thin. They are strong only behind the back of their power, because they can coerce by force

                      Are you INTO ???? !!!!!!!!!! sure ??? !!!!!!
                      For you personally, I’ll explain - they were all the 90s trained by bandits. Who was weak in character - bent or threw still then. Those who survived then - they will easily go to tear their throats for their ...
                      And yes, power was always their enemy - taxes, corruption and so on. They did not hide behind it.
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Smart, competent creative - you are welcome to the position of director, but for a strictly regulated salary.
                      so they will either be a bullet in the forehead or dough for scams FORMER owners to allocate. According to the circumstances ...
                      And in a year it will turn out to be what is needed NOT smart and creative - and those who can force, and in case of acute need and spank ...
                      And the country will repeat the path of 1918-1922 ... only unlike then - the withdrawal of funds abroad will take a split second ...

                      Z. I repeat - just imagine that you were kicked out of the house, taken away everything, your children have nothing to eat ... Will you love these people? As a maximum, you will fight with them, at least - harm them with all hatred. in the USSR until the 1950s - until a generation grew up that had nothing before the revolution.
                    9. Essex62
                      Essex62 22 October 2021 06: 34
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                      This will not happen. Those who are smart will socialize. Those whose roof has slipped will be explained from excessive ego. And there are few of them. The situation is radically different from the last century. Well, the fattest won't have time to translate anything, although they already have everything there. Of course, the country will not be much shaken. But if the Soviet government harshly chops down the attempts of the gopas to profit, under the guise of revolution, it will do without serious excesses. How not to be afraid, but the formation must be changed. Capitalism is not acceptable to the majority of the population of Russia.
                      And not how I can’t understand why to drive out of the house and why the children have nothing to eat? Work and feed your family.
                      PS After VOSR, a huge number of people fit into a new life. And the nobles, incl.
                    10. your1970
                      your1970 22 October 2021 18: 16
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      Of course, not much will shake the country

                      In the previous two redistributions of property (in 1918 and 1992), the country was shaking for 8 years ... where did you get the idea that it will be different now? A large redistribution of property will never do without a lot of blood ...
                      People have not fundamentally changed ... ready to gnaw by their throats - and now it is full. Go to any topic here on VO about short-barreled and self-defense - and you will see a lot of people MORALLY ready to shoot (and kill !!) at those who pose a threat to them ....



                      Quote: Essex62
                      And not how I can’t understand why to drive out of the house and why the children have nothing to eat? Work and feed your family.
                      once again, slowly, our share of 32 hectares cost 50, calculate for yourself - how much our farmers worked to buy their 000-10-12 hectares ...
                      And you took everything away from them - otherwise there will be no collective farms ..
                      They kaneshna (kaneshna-kaneshna !!) socialize and at night they will cut the new power
                    11. Essex62
                      Essex62 23 October 2021 08: 36
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                      Pissimist You are finished. There will be no one, no one, to cut at night. What is this nonsense? In addition, there is no sense or need to repeat the methods of the last century. And there is no point in recreating collective farms. Not effective. The state farms worked best of all and provided the peasants with a fairly high standard of living. In fact, these are the same modern agricultural firms. Everything in them will remain, with the exception of the backbone who invested the bloody bandit, looted in the 90s, millions and is an extra link. There is a hired director and this is enough for the functioning and development.
                      And the main thing is to exclude the race for profit, only a planned economy with the ruble as a means of payment, not a commodity. Smoothly everything will flow over the majority and will not notice. There is not so many owners in Russia that a civil war would break out.
                      Well, whoever will itch will automatically be registered as bandits and to the fullest extent of the law. But the law, not lawlessness. As it was originally in the last century, it happened quite often. And as you know, all the lawless people were subsequently sacrificed. They have completely rebuilt a civil society.
                      Regarding short-barreled and self-defense, I don't see any connection. A person wants to protect his home and his family from a criminal element, not from power. Civil war involves the use of more serious weapons. Believe me, I know what I am writing about.
                    12. your1970
                      your1970 23 October 2021 12: 29
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      There will be no one, no one, to cut at night. What is this nonsense?
                      you open YouTube and see how people are crushing enemies with bats on the roads for killed troughs worth 300 people.
                      Have you never watched a showdown on the roads?
                      Now imagine how the people will not fight for
                      Quote: Essex62
                      bloody gangsters plundered in the 90s, millions
                      and for the millions earned by their sweat in 30 years invested in the land
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Well, whoever will itch will automatically be registered as bandits and to the fullest extent of the law. But the law, not lawlessness. As it was originally in the last century, it happened quite often. And as you know, all the lawless people were subsequently sacrificed. They have completely rebuilt a civil society.
                      that is, do you know that they were sacred but a little later? Not immediately? But only by 1956 the last massive?

                      Quote: Essex62
                      Regarding short-barreled and self-defense, I don't see any connection. A person wants to protect his home and his family from a criminal element, not from power.
                      it was EXAMPLE for you to understand - that if people are ready to shoot at a criminal element that can steal a TV, a computer and 10 in a nightstand, then the same farmers will shoot easily and naturally into the power that will take EVERYTHING (in general, everything, clean up !!!!).
                      Do you think just like that before the war the rural party activists and the leadership had weapons ????
                    13. Essex62
                      Essex62 25 October 2021 09: 44
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                      What are the farmers? Do you live in the states? We have half a percent of them at most. Hired everything.
                      And what will happen to such people if they start shooting, I briefly described to you. Wealth and selfishness are evil. What do you all remember the last century? It was and passed. The society of equals, for a very long time and peacefully, existed and sprouted roots in the People. Many young people disagree with the division by property.
                    14. your1970
                      your1970 25 October 2021 11: 10
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      What are the farmers? Do you live in the states? We have half a percent of them at most. Hired everything.

                      Farmers, shop owners, owners of former industrial sites, and so on ... just over 2 million owners major in the country ... quite comparable to the number in the Republic of Ingushetia ...

                      Do you think if you take away from Grudinin his 90% of shares in the company, he will happily run the land to plow the tractor ?????? lol lol lol

                      Quote: Essex62
                      Society of equals, ohvery long and peaceful , existed and sprouted in the People.
                      - and now you open the Opinions section and wow, how the people after 100 years cannot come to a consensus on the issue of the revolution.
                      Olgovich is out for RI, ready to break the mouth of anyone
                      Some kind of naivety you have for kindergarten .....


                      Quote: Essex62
                      Many young people disagree with the division by property.
                      and want an iPhone for YOURSELF ...
                      Not ALL - but YOURSELF ....
                      It was the youth who gladly redistributed property in 1918 ...
                      It is the young people who will redistribute it even now according to the principle - "Oh, Land Cruiser! It means an exploiter! Chop his lads !!"

                      Repeat
                      Quote: Essex62
                      And what will happen to such people if they start shooting, I briefly described to you.
                      and I know it perfectly. 2 times the country has already seen it - each time for 8 years of collapse. And 30 years of consequences - until the owners die out the bulk
                    15. Essex62
                      Essex62 Yesterday, 08: 30
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                      What did the youth redistribute in 1918, what property? What did they want then? What kind of fairy tales? Have they taken away from the bourgeoisie? Nationalized, Soviet power, all property. It became public.
                      And that there are no exploiters today?
                      Grudinin, as he was the director, will remain so. Appetites will have to be reduced. In another way, in another way, it is not fair and not in a human way.
                      A bunch of counterparts are not our people. Such, together with the Nazis, came to enslave the USSR in the 40s
                      I don’t have any naivety, we have to be tough with the enemy. It's just that you are crucifying about active resistance. There will be no it, massively. Get used to it. There was a sweet candy, at someone else's expense, and floated away. Get used to it.
                    16. your1970
                      your1970 Yesterday, 15: 53
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                      Quote: Essex62
                      What did the youth redistribute in 1918, what property? What did they want then? What kind of fairy tales? Have they taken away from the bourgeoisie?
                      - and you are wonderful ...
                      Read books about the revolution written in 1920-1930 ....... SOVIET writers described it all many times ...
                      How the owners of the mansions were kicked out, the property was divided, how everything was taken away to the corners ...
                      Yes, the banal 12 chairs from Popova's palace (from the book of the same name) went to an individual.
                      In a heap of criminal cases against the Cheka employees, the formula "... did not enter the values ​​seized during the search in the inventory ..."

                      Quote: Essex62
                      Grudinin, as he was the director, will remain so. Appetites will have to be reduced.

                      - Take away billions from the billionaire and give him 200 rubles of salary ?????
                      And hope that he will work as for himself ?????

                      Quote: Essex62
                      It's just that you are crucifying about active resistance. There will be no it, massively. Get used to it.
                      -
                      I repeat - attach it to yourself - they came to you, gave you an asshole from your house, took away your car, deprived you of your business ...
                      declared that this is justice for the people ...
                      I repeat - in articles about KS people ready to kill for a TV and 10 in a nightstand as part of self-defense. Take everything from them and they will burn the new people's power, tear to pieces, kill the uzza corner ... everything is like in 000-1918 ..

                      Massive resistance after 1918 ended by 1950, when the bulk of the old owners died.
  • Beringovsky
    Beringovsky 14 October 2021 18: 44
    +7
    Quote: Andrey Moskvin
    Do you want to repeat the civil one?
    Eat pineapples, chew grouse ...?

    Calm down, there will be no Civil War. There is no one to lead her, the white hereditary officers are long gone. And from the managers there are no warriors, do not eat smoothies to fight.
    1. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 14 October 2021 20: 42
      +2
      I think it's not about the officers. It was in 91m, so what?
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 14 October 2021 20: 50
      -5
      I like young Andrey Legostaev! He writes sensibly and sincerely! Well done! These are the guys who will not let Russia go to waste.

      But the horde of Voshnyh false patriots-haters will not forgive him for honesty and sincerity, will avenge them and frantically chase-minus.

      Hold on, Andrei, not everyone is like them. You write correctly that most Russians are adequate people! good drinks hi
  • Sergei chernavsky
    Sergei chernavsky 16 October 2021 13: 41
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    You are facts, and you answer slogans, you can immediately see a religious fanatic of Marxism.
    "I live well"
    "It is you YET you live well, but THEN"
    Clowns have flooded this site.
  • fif21
    fif21 14 October 2021 10: 20
    -5
    Quote: Andrey Moskvin
    And those who "cannot work hard on the bourgeois" are hypocrites who suffer from the impossibility of being a bourgeois himself.

    So let not the licimers die for the regime. We know how the regime paid for Afghanistan and Chechnya. If you lose your health and life, then you need to know why! Patriotism will not creep through, there is no faith in power. hi
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 14 October 2021 18: 20
      +6
      There were two different modes, as it were. Although, of course, the Soviet Union was a part of Afghan, it was no longer a part of it. Through the efforts of a marked enemy.
  • saigon
    saigon 18 October 2021 17: 06
    +2
    Andrew's empire is primarily a temptation for, let's say, savages.
    The standard of living of the imperial center is always higher than that of the surrounding savages, the empire was never created only by blood, it was an empire (any) was tempting.
    The USSR is an ideological empire, an empire of dreams and attempts to build something new.
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  • Victorio
    Victorio 13 October 2021 20: 51
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    Quote: Stas157
    what interest is there in maintaining a cannibalistic regime,

    ===
    What is the regime in Europe? Gazprom sells gas to Germany for 250, and then those (?) push consumers over a thousand
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 14 October 2021 02: 18
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    Quote: Stas157
    You, I understand, are a big "patriot" for the king and the EP drown! Well, explain it to us clearly.

    And how can you judge the main enemy of Russia, since he is not patronizing, and for whom are you "drowning"? For what "king"? If you are against the current government, who do you offer it as an alternative? What kind of basement gaskets? Or you hope that the foreign owners will appoint you as an overseer, and if not you, then what will you call, then why are you "drowning" now - of course, if you are allowed to say something.
    Quote: Stas157
    And, tell me, our oligarchs and officials have what interest in supporting the cannibalistic regime,

    And you have "always dissatisfied with the regime", all the regimes are cannibalistic. that there was a monarchy, then Soviet power, then gorbostroyka, then everything is straightforward for "our restless public" so there is no "Boris-fight". Get it. They gave you freedom that you can't carry it in a backpack, what else you wanted in the 90s and got it. And there is no reason to moan the officials-oligarchs ... They just threw you overboard as an obvious defender, and that's the whole problem. They won't give you? Yes, your ability is not, it does not give you. And not the state, you do not like it in this country, go to another, now there are no problems with this at all. So whoever needs you useless there, who can only whine - the "bloody regime" does not allow. Yes, everything is allowed, and those who, unlike you, are smart, capable and competent and use these opportunities, but you are still waiting for a handout, and it does not matter to you who will give it to you. the main thing is to give ...
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 14 October 2021 18: 30
      +4
      Here is a comment of a typical system-generated wolf. Smart, competent, capable. On the heads, with a crunch, spreading their elbows wider, throwing out of the way everyone with smaller teeth and less sharp elbows. Why would he be incapable of anything? You have created a clearing for him, now is his time to live.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 17 October 2021 16: 35
        -3
        Quote: Essex62
        Here is a comment of a typical system-generated wolf.

        Well, a wolf is not a loshara, a wolf is an internationally recognized orderly of the forest, but not a single international one, and a village organization as a subject having legal rights, has not recognized a loshara. By the way, the first mention of suckers in a Soviet film for children was. True, they were called more correctly there.
        "As long as there are fools in the world ..." The Adventures of Pinocchio ", the song of the cat Basilio and the fox Alice ... listen. It turns out to be a very modern song.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 17 October 2021 21: 31
          +1
          Here, here I am about the same thing. Smart, capable. And you are fools and suckers. In my youth, such a duck was cleaned without stopping, wherever such a duck would get out, smart guy.
          1. your1970
            your1970 18 October 2021 10: 51
            -2
            Quote: Essex62
            ... In my youth, such a duck was cleaned without stopping, wherever such a duck came out, smart guy.

            Only here "smart guy" is a dirty, almost obscene word ...
            There is not enough brains for anything more than a clean duck
            And then they are sincerely surprised - why do our clever men and women leave ???? !!!!
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 18 October 2021 23: 49
              0
              It's not about the mind. It is not necessary to protrude and try on someone else's hump to heaven. And you should not be selfish, the team is always more effective.
              And so as not to run the fence to return the treasure. They run to the enemy. You must understand "your".
              1. your1970
                your1970 19 October 2021 00: 34
                0
                Quote: Essex62
                And so as not to run the fence to return the treasure

                Quote: Essex62
                ... In my youth, such a duck was cleaned without stopping, wherever such a duck came out, smart guy.

                Moreover, they will run ...
                Already tried it in the USSR, it did not help ... Clever people do not like it - when they either clean the duck or the fence ... and it is difficult for them to create conditions ...
                And then they throw up their hands: why do brains run in all directions?
              2. Essex62
                Essex62 19 October 2021 00: 46
                +2
                A person, no matter what talents he possesses, is obliged to think first of all about the Motherland and serve the collective. It is difficult, but selfishness must be overcome. In the IVS, similar things happened with talented people all the time. And the conditions were created for them. And then somehow it got worse and worse.
                And first of all, a deaf fence is needed so that those who are behind it could not. It is time to reintegrate from the global system, it is vicious.
              3. your1970
                your1970 19 October 2021 07: 48
                -2
                Quote: Essex62
                It is difficult, but selfishness must be overcome. In the IVS, this happened all the time with talented people. And the conditions were created for them. And then somehow it got worse and worse.

                Are you talking about sharashka?
                Quote: Essex62
                And first of all, a deaf fence is needed so that those who can not mess with it.
                and how did the blind fence help the USSR? That's right - no way, no way at all ...
                Quote: Essex62
                It is time to reintegrate from the global system, it is vicious.
                naturally vicious ... Only here is Trouble - it is this vicious system that appreciates the clever. Appreciates it very much ....
                And we have clever guys either in a duck ("look, he put on some misfires ... He's very smart !!!") or behind the fence. Therefore, we are lagging behind the whole world. There have always been a lot of smart people - but wherever we go, what they thought up, we could not implement
                Any period can be taken - even under the tsars, even under the USSR, even now.
              4. Essex62
                Essex62 19 October 2021 07: 59
                +2
                Sharashki were created to protect big-headed specialists from saboteurs. It was easier to protect them that way. In the barracks position, so to speak. In peacetime, Soviet scientists were very kind to them.
                We have implemented everything we need. And the first in space and the defense at the highest level and the puck were the best to drive, let alone the ballet ...
                And with regards to junk and nishtyakov, this is all superfluous. One must live more modestly, comrade, more naturally. It sucks in materialism and nothing is left of a person.
              5. your1970
                your1970 19 October 2021 09: 32
                -2
                Quote: Essex62
                We have implemented everything we need. And the first in space and the defense at the highest level and the puck were the best to drive, let alone the ballet ...

                Remind me - why such an interesting formula flashed in the pre-war period "We have a lot of design bureaus, but none of them could do WORKING aircraft engine !!! "?
                And the ears of our "partners", the small British, the Germans, immediately come to their heads ...
                You can make up legends about car engines, we don't have them normal and never have been ...
                On UAZ for 60 years of production, they could not give birth to a normal diesel engine.
                And so wherever you go ...

                lol lol
                Quote: Essex62
                Sharashki were created to protect big-headed specialists from saboteurs.
                and then, after the creation of "products" - saboteurs became sharply not afraid lol lol and scientists were quickly released from the sharashki
              6. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 20 October 2021 16: 50
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                And so wherever you go ...

                Let me poke! Straight muzzle! Directly to nuclear icebreakers!))) To nuclear power plants ... To "Lomonosov" ... For a start, enough)))
              7. your1970
                your1970 20 October 2021 22: 36
                0
                Quote: AllXVahhaB
                Quote: your1970
                And so wherever you go ...

                Let me poke! Straight muzzle! Directly to nuclear icebreakers!))) To nuclear power plants ... To "Lomonosov" ... For a start, enough)))

                lol
                You still forgot to plow space ...
                The trouble is that a few years ago, Chinese microcircuits turned up there ... by accident ...

                Now poke me - you can even poke a muzzle, as you gracefully put it - into the products industry group B ...

                I repeat - on MILITARYUAZ for 60 years have not been able to make a diesel. It's just a diesel. A nuclear reactor is easy, diesel is not. Satellite is easy, TV is not.
                We have been building warships for so long that they have time to become obsolete before completion ...
                About microelectronics they are silent - there is complete obscenity here
                We do not release a single item MASS product of microelectronics.
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 20 October 2021 16: 48
    0
    Quote: Fitter65
    Quote: Essex62
    Here is a comment of a typical system-generated wolf.

    Well, a wolf is not a loshara, a wolf is an internationally recognized orderly of the forest, but not a single international one, and a village organization as a subject having legal rights, has not recognized a loshara. By the way, the first mention of suckers in a Soviet film for children was. True, they were called more correctly there.
    "As long as there are fools in the world ..." The Adventures of Pinocchio ", the song of the cat Basilio and the fox Alice ... listen. It turns out to be a very modern song.

    What kind of wolf are you? A jackal, even a jackal that walks under Sherkhan and substitutes his ass))) And as soon as they seriously press it, right there, at a time, you will merge and you will look for a new owner ...
  • Zoer
    Zoer 15 October 2021 14: 27
    +1
    Smart-capable? Yeah ... Now your favorite regime will bring you five million more gastrobeaters, share your wealth with them, let's see how you sing "God save the tsar ..."
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 17 October 2021 16: 43
      -2
      Quote: Zoer
      Favorite mode now

      There was a regime in civilian life
      we'll get drunk and lie
      Well, in the army, the regime
      we don't drink, but we keep running ...
      Well, we remember, of course I doubt for you, the regime of Paul Ptoa and Ieng Sari, the regime of Pinochet, the regime of Samosa, and what regime do you mean? Can I be specific? Or does 21 roll up into a tube?
  • AUL
    AUL 13 October 2021 19: 53
    +31
    Quote: Andrey Moskvin
    And what kind of anti-national realities are? Hospital retirement again

    And what, all this is not considered anti-national? What then, in your opinion, is such?
  • zenion
    zenion 13 October 2021 20: 44
    .
    Many have forgotten that behind will be internal troops, so to speak with machine guns, such a gendarmerie. It was clear that they were created against the people, not against the enemy, and this was not the NKVD in the forefront. There are about 15% of them who sing such a song - I really want it to be like this, I haven't finished all summer. They wrote that $ 40 billion will be earned on gas and other sales, for whom did they earn it?
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 13 October 2021 23: 16
      +4
      Already dragging detachments here? The detachments are the swan song of liberals ... you know, just because I hate such people (liberals), I agree even to the bald devil, even to Putin, even to Stalin, Lenin, Brezhnev, Trotsky, etc. I don't give a damn about anyone, but not the new Yeltsins and Gorbachevs. I even agree to the detachments, but only so that not these nits.
      1. zenion
        zenion 14 October 2021 00: 23
        +7
        So in fact this is leading. Voluntarily compulsory. Exactly as one told how he got married the first time. Father is an officer, after we admired her and she told mom about it, and mom told dad. And dad decided it was love. I instructed Alyoshka "Makarov" and Alyoshka immediately fell in love with her. Explain to dad that it was she who put a bottle of vodka and a bottle of red on the table, and after he liked it and dragged him to bed, he could not. It's good that they lived for about four years and there were no children, but the father-in-law did not like it, he told Alyosha I need children, and you are barnyard and she will love another. We drank two bottles of vodka. And then the former father-in-law was promoted in rank and transferred to another unit, Alyosha sighed freely. Until the age of 38, he did not want to get married. Mom begged him, and threatened to hang herself, she wants to shake her grandson in her arms. Alyosha married again, the last time and immediately gave birth to twins. And you can love your homeland for your successes, for the fact that your homeland also cares about you. Homeland is not only a place of birth, Homeland also provides a place of work. But the most important thing is the country. The government is the clothes of the country. Over time, clothes wear out, stop warming, become a swamp, go bald and grow grumpy and make the people love the government with all their remaining strength. You do not need to love the government and the state, you need to love the country and its borders. These are mountains and valleys, these are rivers and lakes, and you are part of the country, not a slave to the state and government.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 14 October 2021 00: 26
          +12
          Quote: zenion
          You do not need to love the government and the state, you need to love the country and its borders. These are mountains and valleys, these are rivers and lakes, and you are part of the country, not a slave to the state and government.

          Thanks for the comment! good In the top ten !!! drinks
        2. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov 14 October 2021 01: 14
          +3
          Your example about "moms, dads, makarov", etc. I do not really understand. But I am not strong in this.
          I did not understand your words about why you can love your Motherland ... How's that? This Motherland doesn't care about you, you have to go look for another? No it is not for me. Can he try to change the Motherland the way you see it? It's quite normal. But here's the problem ... not the fact that your vision of the homeland is consistent with other opinions on this issue. Well, that's okay, there is an eternal struggle here and it will never end. Or do you think that when everything becomes your way, everyone will heal happily ever after? Believe me, no - everything will happen again, there will be dissatisfied, there will be a cry to heaven ... everything will be.
          In principle, it is your right to make your homeland the way you see it (if you can). I have one complaint to you - what have the detachments to do with it? Maybe just incurred in a dispute? I will understand this. If not ... you want to say that they will go to fight for Russia only because of the machine guns behind? Hmmm ...
          1. zenion
            zenion 14 October 2021 15: 05
            +4
            Sergey Averchenkov. You are probably already an adult and should understand what Motherland is. You probably watch videos about animals and their children. So there is the Motherland - the mother, and there is the Motherland - the stepmother. So I looked at what mom is. Mom has caught breakfast or lunch and is calling the kids. They eat she looks. When they got their tummies full, what's left is mom. Even dads come across among the lions such that when he eats, wives do not fit, but the children rush without paying attention to the godfather, and he watches them devour, get angry, but does not touch his paw. And there is a Motherland - a stepmother. This one, regardless of the species, eats itself, what remains is for the children, if not, she is not to blame. It is interesting to see that when a mother throws herself on a large animal, the grown-up children help her, grab her by the paws and tail. And they don't do such tricks with their stepmother. And when the kids grow up, the stepmother will not be allowed close. I saw how already adult lionesses, this mother's droppings, was wounded while hunting, she could not hunt, so the children dragged her a piece of meat. The tourists were surprised. And the escort told them what was wrong with them, this was their mother and besides, she was not sick, that when she died, she had problems with her paw, she would recover and would hunt with them and teach them further. So you need to protect your mother, but you don't need to protect such a stepmother, who is all for herself that remains, she is not to blame. During the Great Patriotic War there was a poster - Motherland is calling! There was never - the Motherland - the stepmother is calling!
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 14 October 2021 16: 47
              +1
              The example with animals is not very successful - cruel rationality rules there. He himself witnessed how the cat ate her kitten (probably realized that she could not feed everyone) ... she just ate it, only the brazen remained ... still blind. But this is so ... a lyrical digression.
              But in what I categorically disagree with you - there is no motherland-stepmother. It all depends on your attitude, if you consider her a stepmother ... well ... it's worse for you - you don't have a homeland. Do you know this expression - "everything will pass, this will also pass"? So, in fact, everything will pass ... who do you hate there? Putin? And it will pass too. But Russia will remain, isn't this a reason to fight for Russia?
              I am 64th year of birth.
              1. zenion
                zenion 14 October 2021 17: 51
                +6
                And Solomon wrote - this was before us and will be after us. So it seems that tsarism was not a stepmother for the rich, but they surrendered and if there were no Bolshevism, there would be no Russism. Remember the White Army, which sold Russia with giblets because they would have had land, and slaves too. They sold everything, only St. Petersburg and Moscow remained. But when the Bolsheviks told the workers about the factories and the land to the peasants, then it was not just about the homeland, but about the country and borders. That's when everyone started up and shouted the case, now it will be our Motherland. What can they offer now? Each man a bottle of vodka, each woman a man. They will not give back the stolen goods, the boyars do not give a damn about it abroad and back home. The grain grower does not need yachts, and the workers of the factories do not need yachts, you cannot swim on them in the river. It's good about the cat, but this is an isolated case, and not constant, as now. How many millions of people have they eaten? We have to recruit slaves from abroad.
                1. Sergey Averchenkov
                  Sergey Averchenkov 15 October 2021 04: 50
                  +1
                  Are you agitating me for communists? You know, this is a useless business - I am already for them (at this stage), but not today, no. These fat ones ... who sit in the Duma and in other chairs do not at all look like real communists.
                  Honestly, I confess to you - I have long lost faith in people as such, as well as in myself. I'm not sure that if I get into some kind of chair, I will not use my position. Therefore, 15 years ago I decided that my legs would not be in power. And now it has become quite simple - I have a criminal record (I cut my head off with one skakuas). After all, I see (not blind) - whoever gets into power (even the smallest position) ... the person changes immediately ... There was a good person, said the right things, and suddenly op ... suddenly deteriorated. What happened? POWER! Damn her. Ideally (in my opinion) the government should be abolished altogether, but I am a realist and I see that so far this is impossible ... it will be impossible for a very long time.
                  So you can consider me an anarchist. :) But for Russia (the USSR, the Russian Empire), I still go to fight.
              2. AnderS
                AnderS 14 October 2021 18: 33
                +4
                Do you know this expression - "everything will pass, this will also pass"? So, in fact, everything will pass ... who do you hate there? Putin? And it will pass too. But Russia will remain, isn't this a reason to fight for Russia?

                Yes, you are an optimist, my friend. I would have your confidence that Russia will remain. Under the policy of the current government, primarily in education, when almost every region has its own history textbook, and there are many discrepancies in these textbooks, there are reasonable doubts about the future existence of Russia as a unified state. And starting from school, in whatever Tatarstan, they tell how proud and independent the Tatar people are, and how well they would live if they had independence from Russia. And what about nationalism cultivated by various figures? And the forcible implantation of Orthodoxy, as an unofficial, but nevertheless the only true religion? All this does not contribute to the strengthening of unity.
                1. zenion
                  zenion 14 October 2021 19: 38
                  +2
                  So they fought for the Tagged One, what did the people get? Rulers from Hell! First, you need to change the government, so that you have something to give your life for. The rulers change, but the anti-people power remains, this is not an option. Power to the people! Only the people of the country have the right to establish such power, which they find necessary in a given period. The imposed power is slavery!
                2. Sergey Averchenkov
                  Sergey Averchenkov 15 October 2021 05: 17
                  0
                  Not quite an optimist, I am terribly afraid of the coming to power of liberals (the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, Chubais, etc.). They have already sold out half of the country and, in my opinion, are eager to sell the rest (and in general to destroy the country). At the expense of the current government ... I see that while Russia is growing in territories. And the fact that we live badly ... so when did we live well, then? No, you may have lived, but I have spent my whole life in the conditions of the Far North (until recently). This is a constant squabble for power in Moscow, but here it is quiet. Well, if you want, then take and tear the current government to shreds - I don't care. Do you know why anyway? I am sure that nothing will change - people will just change at the trough.
                  And so you wrote everything correctly about textbooks, about religion, etc.
                3. zenion
                  zenion 15 October 2021 17: 39
                  0
                  Therefore, you want to protect these, so that they would sell off what they have not yet had time to. You need to protect the country from thieves, not thieves from the people.
          2. your1970
            your1970 18 October 2021 10: 57
            -1
            Quote: zenion
            there is such a thing, this is their mother and besides, she not sick that at death's door, she has problems with her paw, she will get well and will hunt with them and train them further
            - so near death or not ???? !!!
            You yourself understood WHAT have written ????? !!!!!!
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 14 October 2021 02: 21
    -1
    Quote: zenion
    Many have forgotten that there will be internal troops behind, so to speak with machine guns,

    And where did you see the Internal Troops with machine guns, so to speak?
    1. faiver
      faiver 14 October 2021 04: 27
      +3
      Have all the machine guns taken away from the National Guard? Tanks with artillery and aircraft too?
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 14 October 2021 04: 42
        +5
        Quote: faiver
        Tanks with artillery and aircraft too?

        And where did you see behind you These machine guns, tanks and aircraft? Tipki like you at one time breached, and even now they periodically beat up, as in the Great Patriotic War, the NKVD officer with Degtyar stood behind every fighter. Apparently, the training manual has not been changed for you.
        1. faiver
          faiver 14 October 2021 04: 49
          +6
          Do not confuse me with these "tipki", the NKVD troops provided the rear of the Red Army and themselves sometimes fought better than the Red Army units, I myself do not digest this crap about the detachments ... hi
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 14 October 2021 04: 56
            -3
            Quote: faiver
            I myself do not digest this crap about the detachments ...

            So did you support the topic
            Quote: zenion
            Many have forgotten that there will be internal troops behind, so to speak with machine guns,
            with your questions
            Quote: faiver
            Have all the machine guns taken away from the National Guard? Tanks with artillery and aircraft too?

            In which you specify where and for what the listed weapons will be used. Only for some reason they did not specify the use of this weapon by the RSguardi against the terrorist underground, whose cells were not long ago destroyed in different parts of the Russian Federation, or is it they who do not agree with the "anti-popular regime" suppress? ..
            1. faiver
              faiver 14 October 2021 05: 05
              +3
              Only for some reason they did not specify
              - I was wrong about that, I agree. Indeed, the Rosgvardia has a lot, but this does not mean that, for example, tanks are designed to disperse demonstrators. True, it is worth remembering that one leader of Russia used heavy weapons and equipment against the people ...
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 14 October 2021 10: 03
                +2
                Quote: faiver
                True, it is worth remembering that one leader of Russia used heavy weapons and equipment against the people ...

                And more specifically? What kind of ruler? For memory, only Nikolai II, Nikita Khrushchev, Boris Yeltsin - which of them do you mean.
              2. faiver
                faiver 14 October 2021 10: 08
                +3
                The last of course
              3. Fitter65
                Fitter65 14 October 2021 10: 23
                +4
                Quote: faiver
                The last of course

                Why are you such a democratic person, loved by the West, what did he not suit you with?
              4. faiver
                faiver 14 October 2021 10: 30
                +2
                Danced badly in 96 ... am
              5. Fitter65
                Fitter65 14 October 2021 10: 32
                +2
                Quote: faiver
                Danced badly in 96 ... am

                Well, he sang well ...
              6. faiver
                faiver 14 October 2021 10: 34
                +3
                He sang over the ears always well ...
              7. Fitter65
                Fitter65 14 October 2021 13: 46
                -1
                Quote: faiver
                He sang over the ears always well ...

                Well, why did many people like it by their ears. Take as much democracy as you want. They typed and-and-and .. I'm tired, I'm leaving ... Everything is straight from happiness, just that they didn't slap their ears on their cheeks. Putin came. He ended the war in the Caucasus. he raised Russia to a more acceptable level, at least they began to reckon with the country, which now does not suit. I don't understand people ...
              8. faiver
                faiver 14 October 2021 14: 01
                +2

                our folk got drunk, their pensions are raised, and they ...
              9. Fitter65
                Fitter65 15 October 2021 02: 09
                +1
                Quote: faiver
                our folk got drunk, their pensions are raised, and they ...

                Well, what did you want? At first they rejoiced at the construction site, then what joy - "take as much democracy as you want." Democracies got hold of, what are the claims now, and to whom? Especially considering how many varieties of sausages are now in stores and jeans can be bought in almost every stall - after all, for this reason, the Union was being ruined? And yes, chewing gum is the main sign of freedom, it is not expensive and everyone can buy with their pension as much as their soul allows !!!
  • your1970
    your1970 18 October 2021 10: 59
    0
    Quote: faiver
    The last of course

    And Nikitos did not apply, not ???? !!!!! Wow ......
  • zenion
    zenion 14 October 2021 19: 41
    -2
    Don't look back. So they wrote and so it will be, because they want so. Then this was not the case, the power was popular, now it will be due to the fact that the people are more afraid than the war. The people will be driven away with a wall behind which the godfathers will hide.
  • zenion
    zenion 17 October 2021 00: 51
    -1
    Fitter65. They are, but while the war is not there they are not shown to you. As if everyone had forgotten what was in the United States when they entered Vietnam. Coercion to war. Young people were "eager" to go to war, only in the films of Gollywood. In fact, the people rebelled. We have opposed the authorities so far not with weapons, but with questions - why the hell should I kill in Vietnam the same worker and ordinary person like me, why do children with thick wallets not go to war? It got to the authorities that they should go to the army by agreement and for this they need to pay - serve - work, and the work is such that you need a double salary. And in present-day Russia they want to take everything with a bang, they say, you defend your penates, if you do not beat them off from the enemy, you will not be able to pay your debt to the bank, which is not good. Protect your banks from enemies! Bank is your Motherland!
  • Revival
    Revival 14 October 2021 03: 13
    +13
    "Are the retirement benefits of hospitals again?"

    And what have already solved all these problems?
    I missed this news ..
    Do not share?
    1. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 14 October 2021 03: 44
      .
      And if they haven't decided yet, then it means that we live in a state hostile to the people, and we have an anti-people power?
      1. andybuts
        andybuts 14 October 2021 07: 40
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        And if they haven't decided yet, then it means that we live in a state hostile to the people, and we have an anti-people power?

        it happens to everyone, but in the case of Russia, the anti-nationality of the authorities does not raise questions.
        https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/budjet2022_goda_vlasti_reshili_porezat_rashody_na_medicinu_socpodderjku_i_e/
        Although to look at the draft of the new budget. Exclusively out of love for the people, it is planned to reduce medical costs by 9% (this is with high inflation and the raging coronavirus), pension costs by 4,5% (but at the same time, the pension of the security forces is growing). At the same time, spending on security officials will grow by 17%, and the budget surplus and contributions to the NWF will also increase, i.e. they will again withdraw money from the economy, and again they will not even pretend that it is planned to solve the problems of the country and the people, and not the elite and bureaucrats.
        Again, the past elections showed both the attitude of the people to the government and the government to the opinion of the people, when, with a rating of 30% at best, and people voting against it, it again occupies 75% of the seats in the Duma.
        So how to call this power, if not anti-people.
      2. andybuts
        andybuts 14 October 2021 21: 53
        +1
        more to the question of people's power:
        https://ria.ru/20211011/meditsina-1753750285.html
        "Neither be born nor die": why the inhabitants of Bashkiria were left without doctors
        MOSCOW, October 11 - RIA Novosti, Svyatoslav Petrov. In Uchaly, where 70 thousand people live, there are two therapists left. There is no morgue or maternity ward. They wait for an ambulance for hours, and tests for coronavirus for weeks. The townspeople hold large-scale rallies by local standards and prepare an appeal to the government and supervisory authorities. ... etc.
        Is that why the inhabitants of the city of Uchaly will go to fight if they live?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 14 October 2021 23: 48
          0
          Any Uchaly is not taken into account, Russia is Moscow, St. Petersburg and some millionaires. Everything else is not effective for these. Just a burden. The "economy" of hydrocarbons allows maintaining the level only in these megalopolises.
  • ultra
    ultra 13 October 2021 18: 37
    +1
    Do you know the meaning of the word hivi?
  • Widser
    Widser 13 October 2021 18: 38
    +24
    Quote: Stas157
    A million Russians (Khivi) fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler.

    Well, not all Khivi fought, and yet it was not a million Russians, but about a million Soviet citizens.
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 October 2021 19: 00
      +40
      In short, it's clear!
      1. There will be a small victorious war.
      2. Who refuses to fight for the capitalist conquest - a Russophobe and a traitor.
      3. The author, as a rule, those who unleash the war themselves (and their children in London) do not fight, except for the children of the Stalinist Politburo.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 13 October 2021 19: 43
        .
        hmm, very funny, that is. in the event of a war, another topvar's expert will either sit in the toilet and shout that he is a patriot and a communist and therefore against fighting for the Russian Federation, or will fight on the side of the enemy because he is "a patriot and loves Russia."
        1. Civil
          Civil 13 October 2021 20: 30
          +30
          Quote: Barberry25
          hmm, very funny, that is. in the event of a war, another topvar's expert will either sit in the toilet and shout that he is a patriot and a communist and therefore against fighting for the Russian Federation, or will fight on the side of the enemy because he is "a patriot and loves Russia."

          1. And who is the enemy? War is war strife. If suddenly the Wehrmacht with the SS attacked our socialist homeland, then one thing.
          2. And if urgently to protect the interests of the next brotherly people? And what if the oligarchs start to divide which of them oil to sell to the West?
          3. About how the elite will begin to fight London, Zurich and the damned Amsterdam, no need to hang noodles on your ears. No one will bomb children, grandchildren, property.
          4. Tell the grandmothers at the entrance to the tales about how NATO wants to enslave the Kurgan region and seize the building of the local pension fund.
          Well, you can't do a propaganda trick, with an external threat, to unite the people in order to protect the oligarchs. There are no common goals. And this is not the fault of the people.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 33
            .
            laughing Well, don't you suggest that the topvar's expert will find 50 excuses, because it's one thing to shout 24 to 7 about "bad country, aligarchs, etc., etc.", and another thing when tomorrow the war comes home, take up arms ... you)
        2. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 13 October 2021 20: 47
          +11
          Quote: Barberry25
          hmm, very funny, that is. in the event of a war, another topvar's expert will either sit in the toilet and shout that he is a patriot and a communist and therefore against fighting for the Russian Federation, or will fight on the side of the enemy because he is "a patriot and loves Russia."

          Much more amusing is that children always have a maximum of two options for the development of events: yes / no, black / white, friend / foe ... All the more, they do not see shades in principle. I see this as a technological limitation associated with the number of convolutions.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 October 2021 20: 28
        +25
        Quote: Civil
        In short, it's clear!
        1. There will be a small victorious war.
        2. Who refuses to fight for the capitalist conquest - a Russophobe and a traitor.
        3. The author, as a rule, those who unleash the war themselves (and their children in London) do not fight, except for the children of the Stalinist Politburo.

        Comrade, you have laid out everything correctly point by point! good +100500 drinks
        "It was already the 21st day of the war of Rothenburg and the Zulussians who attacked it in 2121 ......., self-isolated in the Sochino-red bunker, the chief commander gives cunning orders to the troops by video link, Khuzhenetovich in white gloves, furiously crossing himself and losing his pendant beads of the Order of Malta urgently runs to put these orders into practice, clings to the lintel in a jump with a high crown of his cap, falls heavily and the rest of the medals deserved in battles roll along the sills of the ringing.
        Mishustkin forgot the vaccination and the Wi-Fi password at home, so he did not get to the GKO video meeting at all. Mandurov had already been in quarantine for a week before his visit to the chief executive, there was still a week left and therefore did not know anything about the transfer of industry to safe areas, and the Lavbrov had been stubbornly trying to express concern to Skype for a week, but Zakhkarova was dancing and forgot to say that concern should be expressed to Zuum.
        Meanwhile, Nainbulina and Siluyanov had been playing roulette on the London Stock Exchange for a week, constantly setting the stabilization fund to zero, but the pizza delivery did not work well. Baragozin was not at a loss, ordering the driver to urgently drive to Vozstochny, so that his last remaining personal trampoline, made according to the drawings of the great Armen Galleleolustyan, launch backup communication satellites and at least catch the press conference following the GKO meeting and ask his question to the president. on Kutuzovskaya, where, under the escort of the National Guard (the Zolostov himself could not, he flew off to pick up his grandson with his family from London 10 days ago) somewhere sad, and somewhere merrily and to the sound of bottles dragged their battle sofas putriots to the nearest RVK .. ..... In the meantime, in front of one of the buildings of the Muskwabad, oligarch-bureaucratic nobility gathered, demanding the issuance of passports from the cherished safe with the citizenship necessary for such a moment .... "(c)
        From a utopian novel All coincidences are accidental.
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    2. PPD
      PPD 13 October 2021 21: 53
      +1
      Who cares?
      You are the composition of the Wehrmacht division, look at the front line of 5 thousand a quarter. Hivi in ​​the 1800 division approx. In another, neighboring PD, the same picture. And it’s not the end of the war.
    3. andybuts
      andybuts 14 October 2021 09: 07
      -1
      Well, not all Khivi fought, and yet it was not a million Russians, but about a million Soviet citizens.

      in those years there was no difference between Russians and Soviet
  • Finches
    Finches 13 October 2021 19: 59
    .
    Stas, it seems to me, the future colobarant ... and not only him! Where is counterintelligence looking ???
    1. AUL
      AUL 14 October 2021 07: 51
      +4
      Quote: Finches
      Stas, it seems to me, the future colobarant ... and not only him! Where is counterintelligence looking ???

      And you knock where you need to! And then they themselves do not catch mice at all ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 14 October 2021 07: 59
        -7
        Not trained ... Yes, and I do not care, when the pripret all will go to fight for Russia, who himself, and who and under duress!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 13 October 2021 20: 04
    +29
    The article is abstract. And the examples in it are absolutely not in her favor!
    First, you need to find out the alleged scenario: we were attacked or our leadership decided to "fit in" the whole country for someone?
    That is why the author's examples are erroneous:
    In 1914, the people went to war, after three years of trench warfare they disintegrated, became disillusioned with their goals and destroyed their own country.
    Another thing is 1941, when they attacked US, when the enemy trampled on our land, burned our cities and killed our people. Then yes! The people rose to the holy war and beat the enemy to the point of annihilation!
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 36
      +5
      it remains only to remember that when, after 1914, the soldiers laid down their arms, they then had to knock out the enemy from their native land during the fight against the intervention.
      1. faiver
        faiver 14 October 2021 04: 36
        +7
        Maybe it's better to remember for whom they went to fight in 1914 under the bravura marches?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 14 October 2021 07: 00
          +11
          So for the faith, the king and the Fatherland. The most important factor, this formula of patriotism, comes last.
          Nicolas harnessed himself to the interests of the insolent Saxons, got a bullet in the basement. You idiot.
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 14 October 2021 09: 50
            +1
            and Gorbachev simply sold the USSR, and eats in three throats and there is hundreds of times more blood on it ... it's not about who sees the state there more correctly or not, it's about the fact that when the war came, you have two options, either to fight for the Motherland and family, or to surrender, but the occupation is so-so thing .. then let the "topvar's heroes" still castrate themselves, because they are already shameful to call themselves men
            1. faiver
              faiver 14 October 2021 10: 14
              0
              Gorbachev simply sold the USSR, and eats in three throats
              - I agree one hundred percent, about whom the blood is more a matter of calculations, and here and there the account exceeds ten million, but both of them also ruined their countries
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 14 October 2021 10: 47
                +3
                the whole trick is that the tsar was overthrown by the Liberakhs and if it were not for the successful coming to power of the communists with the subsequent coming of Stalin to power ... it is still not known what and how it would have developed ... by completely legal methods, then when the occupier is in power in the person of NATO or China, then it will be difficult to fix something.
          2. faiver
            faiver 14 October 2021 10: 15
            +2
            Nicolas harnessed himself to the interests of the insolent Saxons, got a bullet in the basement.
            - and it is quite possible, albeit indirectly, but from them ...
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 14 October 2021 23: 54
              +1
              It is not at all excluded. Someone was driving the lads, in the Ipatiev House, only Buddha knows. Such vinigred of "revolutionaries" danced across Russia in those days.
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 20 October 2021 17: 04
      0
      I'll correct it a little, in the 41st the people fought for their country! For the Country where they were the Hegemon! For the Country where they had secured rights, the children had education, the old people had pensions for the workers, an 8-hour working day and a 6-day week. All people, regardless of nationality and gender, had equal civil rights! It sounds common now, but then ... When suffragettes appeared in the late 30s, and laws on racial segregation existed until the late 60s ... And what were they fighting for in 1914? For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland? Are you seriously???)))
  • Silhouette
    Silhouette 13 October 2021 20: 08
    +16
    Quote: Stas157
    A million Russians (Khivi) fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler.

    H-nida .. Were Khivi only from Russians? .....
    Khivi did not fight. Go-from. They dug and dragged. Cleaned. Repaired. These were the same prisoners of war, only not sent to the camp and not shot on the spot.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 October 2021 20: 28
      -1
      Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
      Don't fantasize! "Khivi" - did not fight

      Well, yes! They were "good"! They "fought" for the Red Army !!

      Quote: Silhouette
      H-nida..Were the Khivis only from Russians? .....
      Khivi did not fight. Idi-oht.

      Why are you protecting the Khivi so painfully? Relatives from there ??
      From the wiki:
      By October 1943, there were 600 hivis, they were included in the states of the German infantry divisions in the amount of 000-15% of the total number of personnel.

      "Khivi" was also used to replenish losses in combat units. For example, in 1944, in some of the sapper companies, numbering one hundred people, only ten soldiers were Germans.

      hivi began to attract to direct participation in hostilities, military operations and the so-called "punitive" actions

      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette 13 October 2021 21: 18
        +3
        Quote: Stas157
        From the wiki:

        Stick your VIKI know where? ...
        Better read the 1943 Hivi Ordinance. For the most part, the "volunteers" did not receive weapons. their duties did not provide for direct participation in hostilities - the "hivi" carried communications equipment and sapper property behind the German ranks, brought cartridges and shells, helped regulate traffic as part of the feljandarms' patrols, served as orderlies, drivers and carriages, as translators at the headquarters, etc. NS. Khivi were intended to release German personnel from auxiliary positions in order to transfer them to combat units. This approach did not exclude the use of the "Khivi" themselves in combat with weapons in hand, but it did not define this very task as the main one, in contrast to the "eastern battalions", Cossack units and national formations of the SS.
      2. Andrey Chizhevsky
        Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 21: 22
        +3
        A - ah .. We've got an "expard" here .. Well, of course .. He gets information from Wiki - it's immediately clear "a great specialist" laughing
    2. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 14 October 2021 02: 56
      +7
      Vlasovites, Cossacks, they probably all, without exception, were Apaches and Seminoles, not Russians. And probably there were neither Tatar combat units at the Wehrmacht, nor Ukrainian, nor any "Caucasian" and Muslim ones there.
  • Andrey Chizhevsky
    Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 20: 17
    +7
    Don't fantasize! "Khivi" - did not fight. This is not ROA.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 36
      0
      well, yes .. they just replaced the Germans in positions that ALREADY fought ..
      1. Andrey Chizhevsky
        Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 21: 19
        +7
        These are the same prisoners of war - only without escort, if you like. Remember Bondarchuk's film? Based on the story of Sholokhov? So the main character Sokolov twisting the steering wheel and was "hivi." That way you will call ALL those who were captured as substitutes for the Germans who fought ... Then blurt out one more nonsense - like the Germans in our captivity replaced the soldiers of the Red Army who also fought ...
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 21
          -6
          At one point, some were sitting in the camps, while others ate from the belly and worked without special supervision ... you know, I have more respect for the members of the national legions, who received weapons, killed the Germans and went to the partisans than to the Khivi ...
          1. Andrey Chizhevsky
            Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 21: 59
            +8
            What ? Members of the national legions - who is this? "Nachtigall '? Where did they get their weapons? In the Wehrmacht's arsenal? Don't you confuse anything? These were the Germans who were killed? And about" eating from the belly "- as I understand it, you haven't watched Bondarchuk's film .. And in vain By the way - Bondarchuk is a front-line soldier. And he knew what he was shooting his picture about. And whether you respect those people who tried to survive in hellish conditions or not, they don't give a damn about your opinion.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 13 October 2021 22: 01
              -8
              Well, yes, they just helped the Reich ... and in good faith ... you probably have relatives from Khivi ... well, these are your problems
              1. Andrey Chizhevsky
                Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 22: 32
                +5
                And when there is no knowledge, there are no arguments. Therefore, we turn to personalities, right? But I will specifically inform you - both of my grandfathers went through the war - in the ranks of the Red Army. One of them (by his mother) - the whole war. From Brest in 1941 to Breslau in 1945. We survived - we were lucky. Did you help the Germans? Once again, for the "especially advanced" I will repeat - then the German (Romanian and all sorts of from all over Europe) prisoners of war helped the soldiers of the Red Army - this is according to your rather strange logic ... The question is - did your relatives serve as a case in the so-called national legions? For some reason you reminded one boy Kolya from Urengoy .. Don't you remember that? This brat suffered a lot about those killed by the Nazis near Stalingrad .. And this little snake did not strain his brain - but what were they doing on the Volga - these Germans later killed? Have you planted flowers?
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 14 October 2021 09: 46
                  -3
                  Well, about Sokolov, if you already brought him, then you should know that he tried to escape and eventually escaped, having snatched Fritz ... it’s funny ... you have good Germans ... because "well, they were also taken prisoner later." the difference is that they were already in captivity AFTER the war and compensated for the damage, and the Khivi served instead of the Germans, freeing them for the war .. that is the difference.
                  1. Andrey Chizhevsky
                    Andrey Chizhevsky 14 October 2021 10: 33
                    0
                    Are you a fool by chance? Germans in captivity AFTER the war you say? And 400 thousand of whom were driven across Moscow in 1944 - where is it from? And this is not ALL the captured Germans. Well, talking to you is tantamount to talking about medieval Chinese poetry in the original language with a wood grouse. You have no arguments - so you start to get personal. You also have no facts to refute my words. From this I conclude that you also have no knowledge of the topic of the dispute. Therefore, for this I bow out. You are not interesting to me. I wish you hello.
                  2. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 14 October 2021 10: 49
                    -4
                    Well, let's pity them .. they were poor things .. I repeat again, almost all Khivi were waiting for the end of the war and worked for the Germans and without trying to escape or anything else, so sorry for them, well, so-so decision .. in fact it is the same as feeling sorry for the victim of a maniac, who then actively helped the maniac
  • Zakirov Damir
    Zakirov Damir 13 October 2021 20: 18
    +16
    Quote: Stas157
    Unfortunately, there were.

    In your semantic presentation - to joy!

    Quote: Stas157
    A million Russians (Khivi) fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler.

    1. Generally speaking, 1.2 million (1 million soldiers of the Red Army and 0.2 million ordinary citizens of the USSR), to be more precise.
    2. Why Russians?
    Almost half, about 550, are natives of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus and the Baltic states. These are ahead of the rest!
    Another 250 are Central Asians, Caucasians and Krymchaks.
    About 70 more are the eternally offended Cossacks.
    The rest, about 330, are Russians.
    Who do you belong to, the Westerners or the Cossacks?

    And why exactly is everything in "hivi"? Do you have a wedge of light on "hivi"?
    There are 806 400 in the Wehrmacht and SS, of which no more than 500 000 are in the "Khivi", and the rest are in combat battalions and the SS troops.
    In combat formations outside the Wehrmacht 180.
    In police formations 214 ..

    Quote: Stas157
    It is significant that the Germans did not fight in such numbers against Germany.

    What do the Germans have to do with it? In the Wehrmacht, all of Europe was noted! And the Army of Ludov and the Czechoslovak People's Army from whom were they recruited? Why 60% consisted of the Red Army soldiers? These three times changed the orientation - first against the Wehrmacht, then in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, and at the end of the war they became our brothers and even "took Berlin".
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      1. Zakirov Damir
        Zakirov Damir 13 October 2021 23: 56
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Damir Zakirov
        In your semantic presentation - to the joy of!

        This is exclusively in your sick imagination, Zakirov. You see everything as a crooked mirror. There is no need to try to change the meaning of what is written at your own discretion.

        Quote: Damir Zakirov
        And why exactly everything in "hivi"?

        I actually had hivi in ​​parentheses. I mean all the traitors who collaborated with the Germans.

        "Khivi" - these are the same Wehrmacht servicemen, with all the rights, duties and money allowance. They just served in the parts of providing German divisions with drivers, repairmen, and household services. They mainly consisted of Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and the peoples of the Volga region, that is, those who knew enough about technology, but whom it was undesirable to trust weapons.
        In the same German divisions, in about every third, there was at least another combat battalion of Soviet collaborators, but already in the combat strength of the German divisions. These are mainly the peoples of Central Asia, the Caucasus and Transcaucasia.
        The Cossacks and peoples of the Baltic states were noted mainly in the SS troops.
        In the SS, the same military formations outside the Wehrmacht were noted, but they did not correspond to the SS troops, in terms of combat effectiveness. Although they were called "Russians", they had a rather motley national composition. In view of the low combat effectiveness, some of the military formations outside the Wehrmacht were used in the fight against the partisans.
        Western Ukrainians, Lithuanians and Latvians showed themselves excellently in the police. These nationalities, in the overwhelming majority, made up the police units. An alloy of Russophobia, anti-Sovietism and natural-born punishers was used by the ideologists of the Reich 100%!
        1. alystan
          alystan 14 October 2021 17: 57
          0
          And where are the Vlasovites, where will you rank them? Are they from the Volga region ... were they, or from Transcaucasia and Middle Asia?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 October 2021 22: 12
      +3
      Basically, I support your comment. Just one small correction. Not Krymchaks, but Crimean Tatars (by the way, they don't call themselves Tatars). Krymchaks are a small people who speak Crimean Tatar, but profess Judaism. The Germans destroyed them mercilessly.
      1. Andrey Chizhevsky
        Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 22: 34
        +1
        Then not Krymchaks - Karaites.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 13 October 2021 23: 00
          +3
          There are Krymchaks, there are Karaites. Karaites are also a small people, they profess a special version of Judaism. Unlike the Krymchaks, the Germans did not touch the Karaites. And most of the Krymchaks were exterminated by the Germans. Crimean Tatars, Krymchaks and Karaites are three separate peoples.
          1. Andrey Chizhevsky
            Andrey Chizhevsky 13 October 2021 23: 21
            0
            In my opinion, of all these peoples, only the Tatars remained. And the rest ...
      2. Zakirov Damir
        Zakirov Damir 13 October 2021 23: 20
        +8
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Basically, I support your comment. Just one small correction. Not Krymchaks, but Crimean Tatars (by the way, they don't call themselves Tatars). Krymchaks are a small people who speak Crimean Tatar, but profess Judaism. The Germans destroyed them mercilessly.

        Thanks for the amendment, as I am ignorant here. I myself am from the Volga Tatars and towards the Crimean Tatars, to put it mildly, our attitude is negative. Roughly the same relationship as between Russians and Western Ukrainians.
        For his "contribution to the Second World War" it was necessary to clean them up at all under the foundation.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 October 2021 20: 41
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    It is significant that the Germans did not fight in such numbers against Germany.


    what kind of Germany are we talking about?. In 1941, the USSR was attacked not by Germany, but by the united fascist Europe, headed by Hitler. You can say NATO of those times attacked the USSR.

    Is there anyone to fight for Russia?


    many times more than in 1941, because now most of our citizens hate the West with animal hatred. Hitler at the beginning of the war in 1941 was just an enemy, and the West is already in the minds of our fellow citizens an existential enemy. Which robbed us and tried to finally destroy in the 90s and is now trying to strangle with sanctions.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 October 2021 20: 54
      +4
      Quote: lopvlad
      many times more than in 1941 because now most of our citizens hate the West with animal hatred

      Can you clarify what citizens do you mean? Well-fed, who are closer to the Kremlin? Or are they disadvantaged?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 13 October 2021 21: 18
        +14
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: lopvlad
        many times more than in 1941 because now most of our citizens hate the West with animal hatred

        Can you clarify what citizens do you mean? Well-fed, who are closer to the Kremlin? Or are they disadvantaged?

        Here an amazing picture turns out .. and in Th it is even funny .. The West is hated by many ordinary citizens .. but the "elite" adores it .. Some kind of sur.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 14 October 2021 08: 26
          -1
          Quote: Svarog
          but the "elite" adore him.


          if everything were so unambiguous, then there would be no Crimea as part of Russia and the existing DPR with LPR. And in the place of the President of Russia there would be a new ala Kozyrev.
          You seem to be mentally stuck in the 90s and still think that in Russia they look at the West with their mouths open with admiration.
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 14 October 2021 08: 37
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        You can clarify which citizens do you mean


        real citizens who are everywhere in the Kremlin and among the poorest naroda. Those who really are citizens and do not pretend to always remain the bedding of the West.
        A full or, on the contrary, a hungry belly is not a watershed in the choice to go to fight for the Motherland or go to betray it to the enemy.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 October 2021 21: 14
    +8
    Quote: Stas157
    Do you think there will be fewer ideological opponents in the current anti-national realities?

    The worst thing is that there has long been no ideology, not good, not bad, not any ... And already a whole generation has grown up without ideology.
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 13 October 2021 22: 16
      +8
      I disagree with you here. There is an ideology and for 25-30 years of grafting it has brought its results. It is characterized by one phrase: "Every man for himself."
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 14 October 2021 11: 55
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    Unfortunately, there were. A million Russians (Khivi) fought against the USSR on the side of Hitler. Not all of them were cowardly traitors, but they were ideological opponents of the Red Communists. It is significant that the Germans did not fight in such numbers against Germany.

    5 years later they will write that 3 million are in Khivi, and after another 15 they will write that the ROA was almost larger than the Red Army.
    Where is the world heading?
  • Glagol1
    Glagol1 14 October 2021 17: 44
    -1
    Power in the USSR was as if the people. The repressions of the 1930s, the famine of the early 30s, Novocherkassk in 1962, the monetary reforms of 1947, 1961, 1991, collective farmers without passports (new serfs), well, I can speak for another 10 minutes. So don't la-la. The country was great, but the power ... not very. Stalin, of course, was both a villain and a collector, rolled into one. But about many others ... especially Khrushchev, remember, it could not be worse. Now, in general ... I was looking for a literary word, I could not find it.
    The people will, of course, fight for families, for houses, for the right to be Russian, but not for power, for sure.
  • zenion
    zenion 15 October 2021 17: 36
    0
    Those who ripped apart the USSR strongly disliked the people of the country. Do they really think that the people love them and will go to defend everything stolen from the people and only because they called themselves Russia? If the authorities start a war, then the war will be against a dozen fronts, against each region. Everything will repeat itself as it is now in Ukraine with regions that do not want to be raped by Ukrainian feudal lords.
  • SaLaR
    SaLaR 13 October 2021 18: 28
    .
    Rightly noticed .... for the article + ... good Immediately how many bots got out ... you can see how they start from the article ... am
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 October 2021 19: 42
      +16
      Quote: SaLaR
      Correctly noticed .... for the article + ... Immediately how many bots climbed out ... you can see how they start from the article ...

      Well, you have already started your battle sofa and right now you will teach us to love our homeland. laughing
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 13 October 2021 20: 50
        +4
        you know what I’ll say .. They will not shout for Putin, but for the Motherland they will ... and they will squeeze me too .. and the debt will raise you off the couch .. duty to yourself, not to Putin ... if you are, of course, really a paratrooper , and not anchored ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 13 October 2021 21: 08
          +3
          Quote: SaLaR
          but they will be for the Motherland ... and they will squeeze me too .. and the debt will raise you from the couch .. duty to yourself, and not to

          Why are you shouting so loudly? Don't make such a pompous noise, otherwise you will constantly shout like that, "drowning"! .. "Drowning" !, and when you drown, no one will come. wink
          1. SaLaR
            SaLaR 13 October 2021 21: 11
            0
            Yes, I don’t shout ... I said what and how .. although like everything I hope that it will not come to this ... Although in Donbass and Lugansk the same ... we hoped ...
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 14 October 2021 07: 24
              +5
              per article +

              The author at least read what he writes and publishes.
              Take at least this pearl:
              In March 2018, he was an observer in the presidential elections, and believe it or not, the majority voted for Putin. Personally, I went door-to-door more and almost everyone said “I’m for Putin” or “show me where (in the bulletin) Putin is”. What I personally saw, I say.

              Correct me if I am mistaken, but the "ballot box" is usually called at home by those who themselves cannot come to the polling station for health or age reasons. And it is precisely this category of citizens that the author cites as an argument that there is someone to support this power and there is someone to fight for it. Only the question is: are these "wars", unable even to come to their own polling station, to keep these "wars" in hands shaking from tremors?

              Moreover, as it might seem wrong, I personally have no complaints about these citizens, for as it was correctly noted in one famous song of "Nautilus":
              beggars pray, pray on
              that their poverty is guaranteed


              Next, take a look at this paragraph:
              At the same time, unlike the Soviet army, contractors are fighting in the Russian army - that is, professional military men who consciously chose their path, these are adult men, and many of them have combat experience.

              Those. Did I understand correctly that all those who gave their lives, their health, serving in the ranks of the SA, in the author's understanding, are not professional military men who consciously made their choice, but a street shantrap who got into the ranks of the military by accident? That these people for decades did not provide a peaceful sky over the heads of today's "professionals" of military affairs, while they walked under the table on foot, and their experience is not worth a damn? Yeah, it is clear that with such a position the author will go far. At least a place in the Ministry of Economic Development or the Pension Fund has already been secured for him.
              1. Serge-667
                Serge-667 14 October 2021 08: 55
                -3
                Yes, fullness to you. To disassemble in all seriousness the ravings of a rabid patriot. The article is a pure provocation.
              2. Andrey Student
                14 October 2021 17: 52
                0
                In March 2018, he was an observer in the presidential elections, and believe it or not, the majority voted for Putin. Personally, I went from house to house more and almost everyone said “I
                for Putin "or" show me where Putin is here (in the bulletin). " What I personally saw, I say.


                1. People are different - for example, wheelchair users, and they may be at least 20-30 years old, and those who are pensioners are also different - they even managed to meet the gentlemen of the two Red Banners and the Nevsky (for whom he voted to be honest, I don’t remember) , now he has already died - data - from the Internet


                Correct me if I am mistaken, but the "ballot box" is usually called at home by those who themselves cannot come to the polling station for health or age reasons. And it is precisely this category of citizens that the author cites as an argument that there is someone to support this power and there is someone to fight for it. Only the question is: are these "wars", unable even to come to their own polling station, to keep these "wars" in hands shaking from tremors?

                2. All of us and our loved ones are not insured against old age and treasure, and for whom they (us) to vote is everyone's business


                3. Ie Did I understand correctly that all those who gave their lives, their health, serving in the ranks of the SA, in the author's understanding, are not professional military men who consciously made their choice, but a street shantrap who got into the ranks of the military by accident?


                At this point in the article, I wrote about local wars - in 1941 any normal men (who have health and conscience) were either in the trenches or worked for days on a collective farm, at a factory, at a mine, but in a lok. all right, if 1% is at war, and the rest have chances to walk with their friends and go to cafes - one must be compensated for by the other - either "fighting" or compensation to the family.

                4. Well, about the conscripts - they are also men and I do not offend them - they cut off their own, unlike many. On the other hand, who asked them? If you want - if you don't want to - go serve (mowers and volunteers were under any power - both under the kings and during the days of Afgan, etc.)!
                1. Andrey Student
                  14 October 2021 18: 37
                  0
                  There are a couple of typos - where without them)) but about "going home" - there was enough time and "sitting on the site" - there were also a lot of those "I am for Putin"! - believe it or not ...
                  1. Dante Alighieri
                    Dante Alighieri 16 October 2021 18: 37
                    -1
                    believe it, don't believe it ...

                    Why should I believe in the period from 2010 to 2016, right up to the first full-fledged primaries of the editors, I participated in all electoral cycles (I worked as an observer, and a member of the election commission, and in the headquarters, and just delivered newspapers and collected signatures) and I know perfectly well how and for whom people voted. So - my personal experience is diametrically opposite to yours. Our country is big and people are different everywhere. There is Chechnya with its 99,9999% endorsement and there is my native Altai Territory, where people are so "treated" by the attention and care of your object of adoration that they do not hide what they think about it and where it should go. This is regularly confirmed by the results of voting, which cannot be veiled even with the use of the administrative resource. That is why my friendly advice: in order to avoid misunderstandings, you should not extrapolate your personal experience to the whole society as a whole. It doesn't work that way.

                    By the way, the finish for me as a direct participant in the electoral process was the primaries, which I went to as an observer purely out of curiosity: being well aware of how this procedure works in the same USA (after all, a diploma of a political scientist obliges), it was very interesting for me to see how this action will be furnished with us. In addition, I was asked to take part in them by a very good friend who just worked in the headquarters of one candidate, and who needed a responsible person for the "problem" area. After the primaries, I clearly realized one thing: if these people even with their "economy" can not figure out, then they can not be trusted at all to govern the country. But again, all this is purely my personal experience, which (no offense) is hardly capable of changing someone else's opinion. I believe the same is the case with you. The only difference is that I do not impose my opinion on anyone, knowing full well that it is only one of many. Therefore, I am prejudiced against any kind of categoricalness, such as the one that you allowed. Sorry. Let me remind you once again: our country is large and the fact that things are the same where you live and work does not mean that a similar situation takes place in a neighboring district, city or region, not to mention those people, which are tens, hundreds and thousands of kilometers away from you.
        2. zenion
          zenion 17 October 2021 01: 17
          +1
          There will be debts only to the bank. During Stalin's time, not a single citizen owed a bank. When I asked my father how people went to defend the country. My father answered me - so the country was ours, we created it, and those who ruled the country were accountable to the people. Everything was called folk. There was not a single word that it belonged to the party. The party member had the right to be the first to attack and lead the rest. My father's brother never forgave his son to death. And their two sons were twins. When they went to Konigsberg, both led battalions, and the neighboring ones. We went on the attack, and then machine-gun fire began. Semyon mowed, but his brother could not stop to help him, he was already leading two battalions. We captured one port and waited for reinforcements. Efim rushed to Semyon, and he was already dead. A bullet from a machine gun hit him in the femoral artery and he bled out. Nobody could help anyone, there was such a shelling. My brother was buried near Konigsberg. When they took the city and sent the award sheets, Semyon was awarded the gold star Hero of the Soviet Union and the Order of Lenin. At home, a bust was erected for him. Efim was awarded an order of what degree I do not remember and he was promoted to lieutenant colonel. How Uncle Yakov found out how Syoma died, no one knew. But he did not forgive his son. You had to help him and go forward, that was the verdict. How could Uncle Yakov know what an attack is against such an enemy? Yefim fought until 1952 and returned home as a colonel after being seriously wounded. He had so many awards that I did not believe, but I was ten years old, that there are awards for the left side and there are awards for the right side, that they were awarded with crosses and such awards in the amount of one penny. All awards from different countries where he came to liberate. My father kept his awards in a metal box with a lock. I served when my father died. Mom wrote that people in civilian clothes had arrived and asked to give them this box. They described everything, they did not show my mother. They said it was necessary for the museum of the unit where he served. Mom signed and I didn't see anything. Father said - why do you need it, it is better not to see.
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    2. Volt
      Volt 13 October 2021 20: 38
      +16
      The purchasing power of my and not only my pension is falling steadily from year to year, and the capital of the oligarchs, despite the crisis, is steadily growing ... and unlike me, you are definitely a bot!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 October 2021 21: 13
        +3
        Quote: Wolt
        The purchasing power of my and not only my pension is falling steadily from year to year, and the capital of the oligarchs, despite the crisis, is steadily growing ... and unlike me, you are definitely a bot!

        Valera! we are with you! It's your time!
  • Svarog
    Svarog 13 October 2021 18: 50
    +32
    Quote: Gennady Bryansky
    The article "test" is true in essence. Well done author.

    What is right here? If there are such political instructors in the troops ... the war has already been lost.
    Let's imagine, even though this is not realistic in the current situation, but still .. It will be real when all our oligarchs begin to take away property and money .. then things really move towards war .. and so ..
    War, it is multifaceted .. and one of its facets is information war ..
    Do you think that the enemy will not conduct massive information propaganda?
    In recent years, there has been a constant debate on the Internet - who will fight for Russia in the event of a global war (with the United States, China, etc.)? Say, "look for fools who will go to die for Putin, oligarchs, for oil and gas" ... Well, well ...

    It will not be well .. well .. but something like this ..
    Dear citizens of Russia, you all know perfectly well that you are ruled by thieves who seek to drive you into poverty and enrich themselves at your expense .. They take out everything stolen to us .. (list with real estate documents in amounts attached) You are dying out, you are being exterminated your own rulers .. Your judicial system does not work, you will not find the truth in it, you have no rights, you just obey in silence .. you have no opportunity to choose power, it is usurped, you do not observe the Labor Code .. in general, a long list real problems .. and in the end .. why do you need such a state and such rulers .. join us and you will get a long list, which really does not exist ..
    So what? Who to go to war? A question for the author? And those who go, what will their fighting spirit be? Do you know why political instructors were in the Red Army?
    In general, there are a lot of questions, I expected the author to express some serious idea .. but here about nothing ..
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 13 October 2021 19: 01
      +18
      everything is much worse - the fighting spirit of the Warrior is determined by the words of the Mother: go sonny, protect me, our family and the Motherland ... win.

      What can Boni and Ksyusha really say with a ballerina on a twine?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 13 October 2021 19: 05
        +19
        Quote: antivirus
        everything is much worse - the fighting spirit of the Warrior is determined by the words of the Mother: go sonny, protect me, our family and the Motherland ... win.

        Yes, a mother who has a beggarly pension and who ate ends meet and is unable to buy medicine .. and the enemy offers social security .. What will she say to her son? He will say go and get rid of the ghouls, let us other capitalists rule over them, then everything in the country is much better ..
        What can Boni and Ksyusha really say with a ballerina on a twine?

        And these, as soon as they smell fried, will be in Paris and London .. You saw how Ksyusha disappeared from the accident scene .. in which there are dead .. and did not even think how to help .. Here is the face of our "elite", and she by the way, it is very close to the guarantor ..
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 01
        +9
        Mother's words: go sonny, protect me, our family and Motherland.

        And mom won't tell you - son, protect my pension, my right to medical treatment, but in the end - the right to life for my grandchildren? So that they do not live in poverty podzabornaya and disenfranchised, but as people? That is, like under Soviet rule?
      3. I am not a robot
        I am not a robot 13 October 2021 20: 40
        0
        well, they have lady gaga that can say, so in this we are equal
    2. Kittymoore
      Kittymoore 13 October 2021 19: 07
      .
      This is all very interesting, but a couple of demonstrative shootings will instantly bring hesitant slaves to their senses.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 October 2021 19: 27
        +14
        Quote: Kitty Moore
        This is all very interesting, but a couple of demonstrative shootings will instantly bring hesitant slaves to their senses.

        Far from being a fact. Lena shootings led to the opposite effect.
        1. Kittymoore
          Kittymoore 13 October 2021 19: 37
          .
          Which ones? As far as I remember, the "patriots" in the then State Duma applauded this act to combat sedition.

          And after 2 years, the herd happily crawled into the trenches while talking about brothers and Constantinople.

          True, their mood was cooled by lice and German machine guns, but what a hit!
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 02
        +22
        a couple of demonstrative shootings will instantly bring the wavering slaves to their senses.

        Usually, this practice necessarily leads to subsequent mass shootings of snickering barchuk ..
    3. pyagomail.ru
      pyagomail.ru 13 October 2021 19: 10
      .
      [quote] [quote]
      Somehow you simply understand patriotism and love for the Motherland. Yes, in the Great Patriotic War they fought for the Motherland, not for Stalin. And if we go further into the depths of the centuries: The Battle of the Ice - the Battle of Kulikovo - the militia of Minin and Pozharsky - The Patriotic War of 1812 - was it that everyone fought for the prince-tsar-emperor? It turns out interestingly: Putin is bad - let the Americans conquer us (option - the Chinese). And to list real and not so much problems ... name a country where there are no problems (don't talk about the USSR - I lived in it for 48 years - I probably know more than you).
    4. olegactor
      olegactor 13 October 2021 19: 37
      -1
      So what? Who to go to war? A question for the author? And those who go, what will their fighting spirit be? Do you know why political instructors were in the Red Army?

      Yes, for example, I ... here is the answer about your delirium ,,,, and to defend the homeland is in the blood of every real Russian peasant ... and the political instructors in SA DURING THE WAR, THE ATTACK WAS FIRST. pin you .... the doss do not understand this ..... hello from the Marine Corps of the DKBF
    5. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 October 2021 19: 40
      -9
      Quote: Svarog
      In general, there are a lot of questions, I expected the author to express some serious idea .. but here about nothing ..

      How did you become a general with such thoughts? What VO do you command?
    6. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 October 2021 19: 45
      .
      laughing hmm ... 80 years have passed ... but your agitation has not changed
      1. I am not a robot
        I am not a robot 13 October 2021 20: 46
        -6
        above "svarog" brought this agitation, enemies will come writes to establish social security for pensioners,
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 47
          -7
          hmm ... how old are you?
    7. paul3390
      paul3390 13 October 2021 19: 58
      +25
      Why did people rise to their death under the machine guns "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" - I understand very well and clearly. Why should they do the same type of "For Putin! For the oligarchs!" - not a fig. We have no homeland for a long time, it was stolen from us 30 years ago. She does not belong to us. So then the owners - let their property and protect. Our task is to take our property away from them. When the country will again belong to the people, then the question of what to fight for will not be. It is still unknown where the real enemies will be - on that front line, or at the top ...
      1. Kittymoore
        Kittymoore 13 October 2021 20: 08
        .
        What did you have to steal it? You did not have ownership of the means of production, you did not have the right to vote, you didn’t have the opportunity to move freely around the world, you didn’t even have the right to talk about people's power like that, as you say about the current one.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 10
          +17
          Just don't talk about the horrors of Soviet power - to those who lived with it? It turns out stupid somehow ..
          1. Kittymoore
            Kittymoore 13 October 2021 20: 12
            .
            And what has horror to do with it? I just don't understand what you have lost.
            No, if you were an apparatchik who was buying goods in deficit in special distributors, then I understand.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 13
              +14
              How old are you, if not a secret?
              1. Kittymoore
                Kittymoore 13 October 2021 20: 16
                .
                Is it so important to answer a simple question? :)
                I did not find the USSR, if that)
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 17
                  +21
                  You see, this is very important. It is very difficult to explain to those who did not live under the USSR, and their realities are imagined solely by liberal propaganda, how wrong they are. And that in fact - it was not at all like that ..
                  1. Kittymoore
                    Kittymoore 13 October 2021 20: 20
                    .
                    So that I do not believe the agitation, they would tell about what was taken away from you.
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 30
                      +30
                      Are you asking me to dash off a whole memorandum? Well, how to briefly explain - what does it mean to live in a completely different country ??

                      A country where no one is afraid of anything. Where children quietly go to school alone and play in the yards. Where the keys are put under the rug. Where people are absolutely not afraid for tomorrow. Where they clearly know - you can become anyone, there would be a desire. Where did you know for sure - no matter what happens, you will not be left to die under the fence. Where is the policeman - was perceived as someone who will help you, and not as a policeman - as an enemy? Where are everyone around you - were they ready to help you, and did not look like wolves? Where did the nationalities not establish their own rules in our cities? Where did you clearly know that you can find a council for any official just by contacting the party committee? Where could you move completely freely throughout the vast country - and everywhere you were at home? Where the hell was the future for both you and your children?

                      So you can fill up the pages .. You - do not understand. Sorry ... Just show it again.

                      Nobody argues - under the Soviet regime there were a lot of negative moments. But - the mess that is happening now covers them like a bull a sheep. Life then and now is impossible even to compare. It's just different. Especially - in relation to the relationship of people with each other and with the state ..
                    2. ivan2022
                      ivan2022 14 October 2021 00: 24
                      +7
                      Quote: Kitty Moore
                      So that I do not believe the agitation, they would tell about what was taken away from you.

                      Why would anyone want to change the power and laws of the State, except to take something away? If you think with your head, why? So that you heh ... heh .... what better life? You are a typical representative of the serf peasantry of the 17th century, for whom the new master is always better than the old one ...... You cannot compare the achievements of the people, there are none, your level is to compare the old and the new master.

                      The future has been taken away. Warranties to have housing for those on the waiting list for sanitary standards ... (by the way, without guarantees in a housing cooperative, they paid about 10 tons of dollars for a three-ruble note. About 10 years.) medical care and work. A pension of 60 years and half the national average salary.
                      The future for me and my relatives. And for you, if you are not able to get out of here, due to your squalor, to fade to the age of 40, that is, on time. There was a people who had a historical perspective, became without perspective. Will be replaced by other nations.
                    3. place
                      place 14 October 2021 11: 50
                      +1
                      Yes, ah ... nowadays, if a smart young man cannot go to the West .... then he is not taken seriously. According to Rosstat, 200-300 thousand are felled every year. And if your business, then such a cool Maine simply must have the appearance and real estate THERE "just in case", even if the sanctions ...... remember the anecdote about the Pope? Patriotism - patriotism. and in the bosom you need to have something else ...
                2. Adrey
                  Adrey 13 October 2021 22: 24
                  .
                  I lived. So what? I largely agree with your opponent.
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 13 October 2021 22: 44
                    +13
                    So what? Well - agree, your right. This has always been the case. There are people who live better under capitalism. True, there are few of them. The bulk of the people have only lost. The whole question is who will be the majority in the end. I personally sincerely believe - what is behind communism. For there is something to compare with.
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 56
                +6
                to answer a simple question?


                ... but Freken Bock interrupted the Kid, - I said, answer - yes or no!
                A simple question can always be answered with “yes” or “no”,
                in my opinion, this is not difficult.

                “Imagine hard,” Carlson intervened.
                “I will ask you a simple question now, and you yourself will be convinced of this.”
                Here, listen! Have you stopped drinking cognac in the morning?
                Answer - yes or no?

                Miss Bok caught her breath, she wanted to say something, but could not
                utter a word.

                - You see! - said Carlson with triumph.


                wink laughing
          2. victor50
            victor50 13 October 2021 20: 38
            +9
            Quote: Kitty Moore
            was stocked up with a deficit in special distributors

            And besides "devour" something else you are interested in?
            1. Kittymoore
              Kittymoore 13 October 2021 20: 46
              .
              So this is a basic human need. Am I to blame that the Soviet government could not satisfy it?
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 13 October 2021 20: 54
                +20
                Something I don’t remember that under the Soviet regime - someone was dying of hunger like that .. There was no Jamon, that is so. But there was much more. Not everything in this world is measured by jamon ..
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 14 October 2021 07: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Jamon was not there, This is true. But there was much more.

                  Jamon is nonsense. People and their children ate caviar in the USSR in buffets. Anyone could afford it! And now?
              2. victor50
                victor50 13 October 2021 22: 08
                +8
                Quote: Kitty Moore
                Am I to blame that the Soviet government could not satisfy it?

                Did your parents starve to death? Or were they born after 1991? From grandfathers and grandmothers who died of hunger? Or did you not have them, are you at this time so sexually mature and unable to eat, because only dreaming about food, got?
                1. Kittymoore
                  Kittymoore 13 October 2021 22: 30
                  .
                  Where does hunger have to do with it? You, the campaign, have only two states: get drunk until you drop or starve like in Stalin's times.

                  Deficit, coupons, queues, “to get it by pull, sausage trains - all this was not my idea.
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 13 October 2021 22: 41
                    +9
                    First, you are considering a fairly late stage in the USSR. Secondly - well, now it seems that everything is there - only the people have no money to buy it. That's better? I'm already silent about the lack of those social benefits that were natural and familiar to the citizens of the USSR. And they cost more than a hundred varieties of soy sausage ..
                  2. Kittymoore
                    Kittymoore 13 October 2021 22: 45
                    -9
                    You are making a key mistake by viewing me as your typical anti-Soviet.
                    I do not oppose the USSR and the Russian Federation, I also do not like crunching a roll.

                    They are all the same substance.

                    I was interested in your motivation regarding the USSR. You described it above and I understood it (that's why I didn't answer you there).
                  3. paul3390
                    paul3390 13 October 2021 22: 48
                    +8
                    You see - for me, communism directly stems from love for my country and for my people. I want the country to be great and powerful and the people happy and aspiring to a bright future. And looking at the current state of affairs - I see one thing, under capitalism this will NEVER happen. This means that apart from communism we simply have no alternative.
                  4. Kittymoore
                    Kittymoore 13 October 2021 22: 52
                    .
                    Sorry, but communism is not about patriotism. The proletariat, of course, must defend itself, but from the bourgeoisie, and not from the same oppressed masses. There must be class solidarity.

                    You have bourgeois patriotism, but instead of bourgeois you want to see a party.
                  5. paul3390
                    paul3390 13 October 2021 23: 00
                    +8
                    Do not confuse different concepts. Class solidarity does not mean that specifically Russians should pull out the rest of the world at their own expense. This, my friend, is idiotic Trotskyism. Do you think that we should put all the oppressed masses on our necks? No, we will help, but everyone will build a bright life independently and for their own. We have already sufficiently helped the oppressed nationalities in the late USSR. And what - did it feel good for them? And what about us? That's the same. You cannot drag peoples into socialism by the scruff of the neck, everyone must walk their own path with their own feet .. Otherwise, it will not be solidarity, but parasitism ..

                    What does Marxism teach us? That the conditions for a socialist revolution in every country must mature .. And without this, it is pointless to introduce socialism by force.
                  6. Kittymoore
                    Kittymoore 13 October 2021 23: 07
                    .
                    So if for you Russianness and the country are in the first place, and the nationalities and other blacks are parasites, then what kind of communist are you?
                    You are more of an ordinary nationalist, but you just want buns from the state. Ie a kind of social democrat.

                    Simply the point is that capitalist Russia does not meet your interests and therefore you do not understand why you should fight for it (this is logical)
                    But Soviet Russia suits you, so you would have fought for it.
                  7. paul3390
                    paul3390 13 October 2021 23: 18
                    +6
                    You have not understood anything from what has been said. Once again, the peoples must mature to socialism. And I think that our people are quite ready for this. So why should I make an effort to reeducate blacks in Africa with a tribal system, and not deal with my country, in which the restoration of socialism is quite possible ?? What is this nonsense? I'm telling you - you have extremely Trotskyist views on Marxism. You are ready to burn all of Russia for the sake of the world revolution. I am a supporter of Comrade Stalin. First - we will build socialism at home, and only then - we will deal with other peoples. But precisely as a help, and not as a planting on the neck. Is that clearer?

                    So we tried our best to change the consciousness of the peoples of Central Asia and the Caucasus. How many nishtyaks were handed out, how many resources were spent. So what? As soon as the USSR was gone, they immediately happily returned to feudalism, or even to the tribal system in general .. Because they are - well, not ready for socialism! We still need to work with them for centuries. Are you suggesting that we step on this rake again? With the same result? Has history taught you nothing?
                  8. Kittymoore
                    Kittymoore 13 October 2021 23: 24
                    .
                    So I am not proposing a world revolution. I believe in a single humanity, but naturally without leaders like Koba, and it is natural that something needs to be done with the uneven development of humanity.

                    Alas, I have no answers.
            2. lucul
              lucul 13 October 2021 23: 08
              .
              Sorry, but communism is not about patriotism. The proletariat, of course, must defend itself, but from the bourgeois, and not from the same oppressed masses. There must be class solidarity.

              Do not make me laugh . Already in 1919 the proletarians of Poland fought in good faith with the proletarians of Russia. And here and there the oppressed class, according to the logic of the Marxists, had to throw off the shackles and unite against the bourgeoisie, no? Like all the proletarians of Europe, no? But no one wanted to, so that the class theory of Marx and the erroneous one - the test of practice - did not pass.
            3. Kittymoore
              Kittymoore 13 October 2021 23: 12
              -8
              It is quite logical. Class consciousness requires an understanding of one's own interests and place in the capitalist world (at the bottom). This requires a lot of introspection.

              And it is natural that the Poles, who have experienced national humiliation and age-old oppression, happily swallowed nationalism and xenophobia.

              After all, these are the most primitive, basic human instincts - to hate strangers and protect the cave.
            4. paul3390
              paul3390 13 October 2021 23: 19
              +4
              No shit. This proves only one thing - no one can be dragged into socialism by force. Every nation must mature for it. What the classics of Marxism actually talked about.
            5. lucul
              lucul 13 October 2021 23: 30
              -6
              This proves only one thing - no one can be dragged into socialism by force. Every nation must mature for it. What the classics of Marxism actually talked about.

              Oh oh oh ....
              Okay, look, let's take for example the topic of popular uprising, how it is gaining momentum and spreading. Why is it growing? Because it is in the interests of the masses. And the converse - if the interests of the uprising do not coincide with the interests of the masses, then the uprising immediately dies out.
              And here no "ripening" of the people is required, everything is much simpler - it meets the interests of the masses - they will join, if they do not meet the interests of the masses - they will not join.
              As you know, the revolution could not fan the world fire.
            6. Kittymoore
              Kittymoore 13 October 2021 23: 41
              -7
              Any uprising can be fully fueled from the outside. Even coal is enough.
              Well, if we fully disclose the topic of uprisings, then let's take a couple of the most famous: the uprising of Spartacus and the boxers in China.


              In the first case, huge masses of slaves continued to plow for the Romans, although the uprising was in their interests.
              In the second, in multimillion-strong China, about 100 thousand people rose, although it was in the interests of the entire people and the country to bend the white invaders.

              That is, you need to understand that most people are not even aware of their interests and just go with the flow.
  • place
    place 14 October 2021 12: 16
    +1
    Quote: Kitty Moore
    Am I to blame that the Soviet government could not satisfy it?


    Are you sure that it was from the Soviet regime, and not from crimes against the Soviet regime? So they were pushing, they were sweating, so the Soviet bosses, and "could not satisfy ... the poor fellows ..." And then everyone suddenly became millionaires and immediately "could"! Hooray !
    Do you understand that there are no "special people" in any country of the world who are obliged to do something "for the people"? Are they obliged to fall from the moon to satisfy the desires of your lordship?
    Nations everywhere are striving for everything they have. Therefore, in the Russian Federation, the average salary for 2021 is officially about 500 bucks per month, and in France, in fact, it is more than 2000. In the Czech Republic -900. At comparable prices. Do you think the French have a "kinder master"? I doubt. What they managed to achieve. Not a fig failed, your problems.

    Soviet power is simply a legislative body chosen by the population in accordance with the laws of the USSR. The CPSU or VKPb is a political party, where, according to the charter, all positions were elective. When the workers who joined the party chose Stalin, there was one thing, when Yeltsin, there was another ..... They voted in the early 90s FOR "Privatization" - as a result, they received a pendulum from the new master - and into the street.
    . When among the people the word "authority" meant a learned man, there was one. And if it means a bandit, then the results will be appropriate.
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 50
    -4
    those. in case of war, you will watch how your city is being leveled to the ground by enemy bombs and you will shout "yes! let's get more bombs! free us from these oligarchs" .. by the way .. I gave the propaganda of the Second World War above .. just for people like you who they were looking for an excuse not to fight "for the Motherland and Stalin" ... and many did not fight ... someone became Khivi, and someone went to the national legions and the ROA ... will you go to the police, apparently?
  • I am not a robot
    I am not a robot 13 October 2021 20: 50
    -7
    will order and stand up, and if you can't fight Morp Negro transvestite rapes you and your sons, and your women will send you on a quarry
    there is a saying oligarchs quarrel among slaves, their forelocks crack
  • lucul
    lucul 13 October 2021 22: 32
    .
    Why did people rise to their death under the machine guns "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" - I understand very well and clearly.

    No, you don't understand))).
    Why should they do the same type of "For Putin! For the oligarchs!" - not a fig. We have no homeland for a long time, it was stolen from us 30 years ago.

    Look. Whites calmly and confidently walked in formation under machine-gun fire, although they went without ammunition and to death. And they did not need any detachments from behind (like the communists), they knew that they were going to their death and still went (the tsarist school of instruction). And these were not isolated cases, but frequent, a psychic attack was called, if that. Even in the film about Chapaev, this is reflected (although everyone then suggested cutting out this episode, they say, making them out of white heroes).
    And in the First World Tsarist Army (until 1917), as it rested its horn on the ground, it stood, and did not retreat to Moscow, as in 1941.
    And to listen to you communists, so in your opinion only the communists and stood to their death, which was far from the case.
    Everything will be fine with Russia in the event of an enemy invasion - Donbass 2014 proved it.
    1. garrett
      garrett 14 October 2021 15: 17
      0
      Look. Whites calmly and confidently walked in formation under machine-gun fire, although they went without ammunition and to death. And they did not need any detachments from behind (like the communists), they knew that they were going to their death and still went (the tsarist school of instruction). And these were not isolated cases, but frequent, a psychic attack was called, if that. Even in the film about Chapaev, this is reflected (although everyone then suggested cutting out this episode, they say, making them out of white heroes).

      Lol
      Rapid attacks, which have been carried out in this way since 1916 on the fronts of the First World War, were taken for a psychic attack. The White Guard infantry advanced in a deployed formation, quickly and without firing shots approaching the enemy. This made it possible to quickly withdraw the infantry from the zone of enemy fire, and the lack of firing was explained by the lack of a sufficient number of cartridges, when it was allowed to fire only for sure, from about 100 meters. The White Guards used the experience developed during the last war to minimize losses during the attack, and the Reds perceived this as outlandish "psychic attacks".
      1. seacap
        seacap 17 October 2021 10: 50
        +2
        Garrett (Alexei) It seems to me that it is useless to explain this to him, the opponent has competence on tactics only from films and ingrained tales, i.e. the experience of a typical "couch expert", poorly representing the realities and psychology of combat, tb. those times.
  • Silhouette
    Silhouette 13 October 2021 20: 25
    +9
    Quote: Svarog
    Who to go to war? A question for the author?

    The author does not give an answer. I'll try to answer myself. All liberals of the country, headed by "Echo of Moscow", all journalists, columnists and bloggers will sign up as volunteers. Tick-tokers and residents of spas, nightclubs and fashionable parties will flock to the military registration and enlistment offices. There will be no end to entrepreneurs and shopkeepers. The army of guards will immediately change into military uniforms and will be ready to give their lives for the Motherland. But there will be volunteers ahead of everyone. They will be able to overtake even the inhabitants of Rublevka and graduates of MGIMO, HSE and other leading and prestigious universities.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 October 2021 20: 57
      +9
      I think this is how it will be and in this order everything will be ... Only we still need to add the highest military-political staff here ... and the lowest among them are the first who will unpack things in England ... and the highest staff, after unsuccessful attempts to negotiate with the enemy, will be forced to to carry out subversive activities .. or during the negotiations they will be hopelessly recruited .. there will be one chief for flying with birds .. his loneliness will be long because everyone refused to go to heaven with him .. and he himself was not ready to meet with the archangels. the good thing is that a personal make-up artist, due to the fact that he hesitated, did not have time to dump, he was next to him ... and then the main one, according to the promises, saw a savior in this man .. disguised himself as an employee from central asia .. dumbling with jamshut .. crossed the border with forged documents Turkmenistan .. after which his trace is lost without a trace .. somewhere in the sands .. a new history begins .. Kerensky fled ..
    2. AUL
      AUL 14 October 2021 08: 26
      -3
      Quote: Silhouette
      Tick-tokers and residents of spas, nightclubs and fashionable parties will flock to the military registration and enlistment offices.

      And the Sobchak with the buzovaya will organize and arm the women's battalions at their own expense!
  • Zakirov Damir
    Zakirov Damir 13 October 2021 20: 43
    -6
    Quote: Svarog
    It will not be well .. well .. but something like this:
    "Dear citizens of Russia, you all know perfectly well that you are ruled by thieves who seek to drive you into poverty and enrich themselves at your expense .. They take everything stolen to us .. (a list with real estate documents in amounts is attached) You are dying out, you exterminate their own rulers .. Your judicial system does not work, you will not find the truth in it, you have no rights, you just obey in silence .. you have no opportunity to choose power, it is usurped, you do not comply with the Labor Code .. in general, a long listing of real problems .. and at the end .. why do you need such a state and such rulers .. join us and you will get a long list, which really does not exist .. "

    I will add from myself, in unison: "A soldier of the Russian army! This leaflet serves as a pass to the army of a democratic country, where you will be provided with worthy content in accordance with the Geneva Convention! Beat the reincarnated communists who usurped power 104 years ago, only slightly changing the sign in the early 90s. ! Beat idolaters, adherents of Stalin, who drive you to the slaughter for their selfish interests! "
  • knn54
    knn54 13 October 2021 18: 57
    +26
    -Margarita Simonyan
    -Artem Sheinin
    -Soloviev
    -Shakhnazarov
    -Dmitry Kiselev
    and other telepropagandists (and not only) will not send their children.
    1. Shiden
      Shiden 13 October 2021 19: 25
      +1
      I gave you a plus because you noticed it very accurately. And as for patriotism, in words, all are patriots, but here in the trenches collective farmer Vanka and worker Sanka, officers, pensioners and pedzhaks, aha now they will only grease their heels with lard so that they go to war, not for that they learn to substitute their foreheads for the bullet, but for benefits, pensions.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 13 October 2021 21: 44
        +4
        Quote: Shiden
        collective farmer Vanka and worker Sanka, officers are pensioners

        Where are the collective farmers? Are there many workers in the country?
        In past wars, the overwhelming majority of the rank and file were from rural areas, later from workers in factories and factories. Who lives in the countryside now, and where is this rural area? In the Kuban, and also ... Where are the masses of workers from thousands of factories and factories? But you can't fight much with contractors if the conflict drags on ...
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 13 October 2021 22: 27
          -1
          And that in central Russia, as in Mongolia, there is one yurt per 200 km, or there are still villages, excuse me, but I judge the realities of modern Russia from the comments on VO. workers who are already patriots in fact, although they may not know about it. Those who like to write a patriotic little article, prove on the keyboard that the most patriot of the patriots into the trenches and you can't drive honey cakes. To speculate this as much as you like, but to the war, "let the others are those who are not scientists."
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 14 October 2021 09: 41
            0
            Quote: Shiden
            And that in central Russia, as in Mongolia, there is one yurt per 200 km or there are still villages,

            And you, apparently, have not been to the countryside for a long time ...
            1. Shiden
              Shiden 14 October 2021 14: 46
              -1
              Alexander, you probably did not read my comment very carefully if a little more attentively you would not have any questions for me.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 October 2021 19: 52
      -3
      and it will become easier for you if they send him? and let's in fact, the war will start, they will not send, but in case of loss, YOUR children will recognize all the delights of the occupation ... for understanding the Iraqis due to the decline in the social sphere, provided that the Americans did not set the goal of destroying them, they lost 1 million inhabitants out of 37 million in 10 years ..
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 20: 52
        +5
        And how much have we lost over the past 10 years?
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 59
          .
          so be fruitful and multiply ... who bothers you .. or do you really think that tomorrow an occupant uncle will come and make you a happy and sweet life, so that Russia becomes a better place to live?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 21: 13
            +3
            Don't you think that the invaders are already here? Why aren't you digging a trench? Or are your children themselves descendants of the occupier?
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 16
              -9
              oh, when there is nothing to say, sophistry begins) funny anecdote, I understand your position, if there is a war, you will sit out in the bushes ... the main thing is then come up with such a good excuse ... and then I remember one such inmate sat in the attic of the house for 30 years ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 21: 25
                +3
                Quote: Barberry25
                when there is nothing to say, sophistry begins) funny joke

                You have nothing to say to the simple question of how much population Russia has lost. He gave an example with Iraq, but about our country he was blown away like a mosquito on a balloon.
                Quote: Barberry25
                be fruitful and multiply ... who is stopping you ..

                So who's stopping you?
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 36
                  -7
                  and who said that I am not going? so the answer will be, why did you decide that the occupiers will take care of you better than the current government? Will the answer be, or is sophistry again empty?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 21: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Barberry25
                    so the answer will be, why did you decide that the occupiers will take care of you better than the current government?

                    Where did I write about it? Show me.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 40
                      -6
                      so you are happily waiting for their arrival .. and worried about the population in connection with my example .. that's what I ask you .. why did you decide that they will courteous to the inhabitants of Russia? the answer will be?
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 21: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: Barberry25
                      so you joyfully await their arrival.

                      Don't tell me your fantasies here, show me where I wrote that I happily await the arrival of the invaders?
                    3. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 50
                      -6
                      oo .. send excuses for 50 kopecks) so what kind of situation we are considering? remind-the enemy attacks, defend ourselves or happily wave flags and meet the invaders, you have already written that you don’t want to fight, so you are waiting for them .. that's what I want to know. .you really believe that the invaders will take care of the people of Russia?
                    4. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 22: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Barberry25
                      -you already wrote that you don't want to fight

                      Again. Where did I write this?
                    5. Svarog
                      Svarog 13 October 2021 22: 18
                      +7
                      Quote: Barberry25
                      do you really believe that the invaders will take care of the people of Russia?

                      Barberry .. our population decline this year will be more than 1 million people .. That year there were 700 .. what kind of concern are you talking about? And who are the occupiers? Who feeds in the Russian Federation, and sends money over the hill? Do you really not understand or at work?
                    6. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 13 October 2021 22: 26
                      .
                      well, your position, I'll be in the bushes, everyone already knows) don't write to me, I'm not interested in the coward's opinion
                    7. Svarog
                      Svarog 13 October 2021 22: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: Barberry25
                      do not write to me

                      They write to the ladies .. and I comment on the article and ask questions .. they are very uncomfortable for the heroes, since the heroes have no answers ... no and there is no trial .. but heroes without brains are not needed anywhere .. or just meat .. and I've seen heroes in my life .. who a vest with hair pulls out when it's warm, satisfying and safe ..
                    8. Kittymoore
                      Kittymoore 13 October 2021 22: 38
                      .
                      "The further to the rear, the more patriots."

                      But nothing, the detachment equalizes everyone in one trench, like the "Colt" in the Wild West.

                      So the Barberry is worrying in vain.
                    9. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 00: 43
                      +5
                      Quote: Kitty Moore
                      So the Barberry is worrying in vain.

                      A person can be understood. He is alarmed by the fact that he would not be burning with the desire to die for his candle factory. And his cheap chatter for patriotism does not work.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 14 October 2021 10: 04
    +2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Don't you think that the invaders are already here? Why aren't you digging a trench? Or are your children themselves descendants of the occupier?

    Here is a concrete and real answer. The invaders have been here for a long time, they took the country without noise and dust. What a nafig war, why should they? And so everything is given and sold wholesale and retail. Only a conflict based on greed is possible, when the price or deposits are not divided.
  • I am not a robot
    I am not a robot 13 October 2021 20: 52
    0
    maybe they will send
  • Alexga
    Alexga 13 October 2021 19: 30
    +12
    As a fellow countryman, it is clear that everyone has their own outlook on life. But what the author has prescribed here is very, very controversial. The statistics of losses is striking, 08.08.08, 14-15 people per day, during the years of the Afghan war, losses per day are significantly lower. The fact that the commander of the army with a machine gun in his hands participated in the battle, so it is in general ... There they correctly wrote below that the article is pathos and nothing more. I agree with them.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 13 October 2021 19: 30
    +17
    Quote: Gennady Bryanskiy
    The article "test" is true in essence. Well done author.

    I haven't read anything more stupid for a long time! laughing
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 October 2021 19: 53
      -8
      by the way, and this is already a cliché .. all the most active topvar experts directly declare that in the event of war, they will sit in the rear .. yes, you are straight heroes) Private Airborne Forces Stroporez
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 October 2021 20: 47
        +5
        Quote: Barberry25
        by the way, and this is already a cliché .. all the most active topvar experts directly declare that in the event of war, they will sit in the rear .. yes, you are straight heroes) Private Airborne Forces Stroporez

        No, no, no, in any rear with you Stroporez was not even going to sit smile
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 October 2021 20: 51
          .
          Well, yes, because I will be drafted into the army, and Uncle Stroporez will look for channels of cooperation with the enemy ... to sit down on a warm place as a policeman ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 October 2021 21: 00
            +14
            Quote: Barberry25
            Well, yes, because I will be drafted into the army, and Uncle Stroporez will look for channels of cooperation with the enemy ... to sit down on a warm place as a policeman ...

            Eh, son, it is clear that you are young, but not very smart.
            First of all, the policemen’s positions have already been assigned and occupied, and secondly, when my Motherland calls me or calls me, I’ll go to the partisans, and do you know why?
            Patamushta, the PARTIZAN cannot be an occupier !!!
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 06
              .
              hmm ... it's called lying, so lying) "to the partisans" .. well, yes, at first they squeal happily looking at the dying army, and then, when the door is knocked out with the enemy's boot, then it is already possible to announce the creation of a "holy new homeland" and go to the forest to "partisan" .. and this is you talking about "not very clever talking about"? funny ... once again convinced that "topvar's expert" is a status that is better not to have ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 October 2021 21: 31
                +3
                Are you an expert?
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 38
                  .
                  yes you are Vova, you are an expert) like the rest of the type of Stroporez, Paul, and companies that, when asked whether anyone will fight in the event of a war against Russia, in one friendly squealing chorus sang that they will not fight, because "the country is not the same, the power is not such is, and so on, etc. "... like you, Vova, in 1941 they joyfully greeted Hitler, and then served as policemen ...
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 13 October 2021 21: 38
                +5
                Quote: Barberry25
                began to squeal happily looking at the dying army, and then, when the door was knocked out with the enemy's boot, then it was already possible to announce the creation of a "holy new homeland" and go into the forest to "partisan".

                Here you have caught up with horror and already tore the vest on the navel, okay, okay, don’t boil, I see that you’re a grated roll, you are impudent and tough guy, don’t put your finger in your mouth (saying if something is popular). it is impossible without breathing, but you "fight" for now smile
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 41
                  .
                  oh, really, the old Stroporez's brain woke up for a second and he realized that he had written nonsense about "I'll go to the partisans for the real Motherland"?) laughing
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 13 October 2021 21: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Barberry25
                    oh, really, the old Stroporez's brain woke up for a second and he realized that he had written nonsense about "I'll go to the partisans for the real Motherland"?)

                    Kaneshna, with you the mind goes over the mind, you see how hot you are, you won't have time to "blow" in your pants, but already dry! belay laughing
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 47
                      .
                      Well, you know better about describing yourself .. you are preparing for the partisans, you need an excuse for the military registration and enlistment office .. maybe you will start urinating in plain sight ..
                    2. Kittymoore
                      Kittymoore 13 October 2021 22: 41
                      .
                      Well, he doesn't want to fight, let him not fight. Are you sorry or what?
                    3. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 14 October 2021 09: 48
                      -4
                      Well, maybe then he does not need to build a hero for "his own justice" .. if he is a coward and a traitor?
    2. seacap
      seacap 17 October 2021 10: 58
      +1
      here you, colleague, are mistaken, we and people like us still have to sit in the rear and not just sit, we were taught and prepared for this, in the rear of the enemy our halo of habitation and the most comfortable conditions for our activities, so in the rear, if you have to sit, like our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 13 October 2021 21: 12
    +8
    Of course, they really were in battles (Chechnya), under fire, went through explosions and ambushes, okay, if 50% (or maybe less).

    That's for sure. On my third business trip I was asked by a personnel officer at the commission, "How many times have I been there? I answered: twice. He laughed and said, and I eight times, and if I need to go again ..."

    Just a clarification to make it clear.
    Out of two business trips I was once 40 days, when Grozny was stormed, the second time 180 days in the "VOVD" temporary department of internal affairs.
    And, the personnel officer really was eight times, but accompanied the rotation of the group, i.e. for two days (he drank incessantly in the VOVD with replacements) and back.
    The guys say that until now, as he gets drunk (retired already), he hits himself in the chest, am that "he shed blood in bags" and who does not know him think that he alone defeated everyone ...
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  • citizen
    citizen 13 October 2021 14: 05
    +2
    who will fight for Russia in the event of a global war.

    Let's do without a warrior. This will be the last war between Russia and the world.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 13 October 2021 18: 28
      -7
      And why for the world? Russia has no nuclear reserves to destroy the entire world.
      1. citizen
        citizen 13 October 2021 18: 37
        +5
        https://newsru-com.turbopages.org/newsru.com/s/world/15jun2018/100nuclear.html
        They say that everyone will get it.
        1. Spring fluff
          Spring fluff 13 October 2021 19: 31
          -2
          :))))) you do not listen to what they say, but read and count yourself.
          1) "The use of more than 100 nuclear warheads in a military conflict will lead, first of all, to colossal casualties. For example, if a large-scale nuclear strike were inflicted on the most densely populated Chinese territory, 34 million people would die." - for China, 34 million is at the level of statistical error. They already have 10 million deaths every year.
          https://countrymeters.info/ru/China#population_2020
          According to our estimate, at the end of 2020, the population of China was 1.
          In 2020, China's population increased by approximately 7. Considering that the population of China at the beginning of the year was estimated at 412, the annual growth rate was 695%. Here are the main China demographics for 1:
          Born: 17 people
          Deceased: 10
          2) it is not difficult to find data on the number of deployed nuclear warheads in the Russian Federation and the United States. I suggest that there are about 1,5 thousand of them. Imagine that they are all 500 kt, this is with a margin. Find in Yandex a table of the radius of destruction of nuclear warheads from power. Calculate the area of ​​the circle of defeat, multiply by 1,5 thousand and compare with the area of ​​the country you are interested in, the numbers will be at the level of 1% of the territory.
          1. citizen
            citizen 13 October 2021 19: 39
            +3
            You didn't read further
            An ecological catastrophe will result in the death of hundreds of millions of people around the world.


            Quote: Spring Fluff
            Calculate the area of ​​the circle of defeat, multiply by 1,5 thousand and compare with the area of ​​the country you are interested in, the numbers will be at the level of 1% of the territory.

            Compare better with the area of ​​large cities. It's at 100%
            1. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 13 October 2021 19: 45
              -2
              Yes, I have already seen all this many times and counted. Now I’m lazy, so I’ll quickly explain the simplest things. And there will be no massive strikes against large cities, it makes no sense. You can see for yourself the areas of large cities and the population in different countries.
              1. citizen
                citizen 13 October 2021 19: 49
                +1
                Quote: Spring Fluff
                And there will be no massive strikes against large cities, it makes no sense.

                Well, there is no particular sense in a global war.
                1. Spring fluff
                  Spring fluff 13 October 2021 20: 11
                  -3
                  I agree that it makes no sense. You yourself wrote "This will be the last war between Russia and the world." You were justly answered that there will be no special influence for the world as a whole.
                  1. seacap
                    seacap 17 October 2021 11: 12
                    +1
                    How many nuclear strikes were inflicted on our state to destroy it? And why will it be different with the Russian Federation, everything will be the same or even worse, everything is according to the plans of a dead and intelligent Pole-immigrant, with his own hands and at his own expense. For the country, the main danger is not an external enemy, but its own upper class, the so-called. elite - "masters of life", whose life is good.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 17 October 2021 11: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: seacap
                      For the country, the main danger is not an external enemy, but its own upper class, the so-called. elite - "masters of life", whose life is good.

                      That's right!
                    2. Spring fluff
                      Spring fluff 17 October 2021 12: 19
                      0
                      On the question of the cause of the collapse of the USSR, I agree with you. Likewise, RI collapsed not from external enemies. But I discussed another question - the impact of a possible nuclear war on "the whole world." The influence I see is extremely limited, I have given the facts, I have not received well-reasoned objections. Serious, but not critical damage (no fantasies about "glazing", "strait in place of land", etc.), will receive only a few countries, which they can directly strike.
          2. AUL
            AUL 13 October 2021 20: 51
            +7
            Quote: Spring Fluff
            Calculate the area of ​​the circle of defeat, multiply by 1,5 thousand and compare with the area of ​​the country you are interested in, the numbers will be at the level of 1% of the territory.

            Just something just! Yes, spit and grind!
            True, the respected Spring Pooh accidentally overlooked a few trifles:
            - destroyed nuclear power plants, which will additionally give several Chernobyls;
            - destroyed chemical and other harmful industries, which will poison no less life than nuclear explosions;
            - destroyed hydraulic structures that will flood large areas (along with the population, animals and agricultural land);
            - infested areas, unsuitable for living or for agriculture;
            - burning forests that no one will extinguish;
            - destroyed energy - power plants, power lines, gas and oil pipelines with service infrastructure;
            - destroyed all transport infrastructure - roads, bridges, tunnels, gas stations, railway tracks and infrastructure
            - and many other factors that are rapidly reducing the population. And I have not yet mentioned the factors, so to speak, human:
            - complete collapse of medicine;
            - the highest mortality from hunger, the use of contaminated foods and radiation doses;
            - loss of control in the regions (governors and mayors scatter in the first place), there will be a mess and anarchy;
            - rampant crime;
            - and much more, even less pleasant.
            So, dear Pooh, recalculate the percentages taking into account these little things.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 00: 49
              -2
              He's a fool, it's so hard for him to understand. Have pity on the humanoid. Don't make him think.
            2. Spring fluff
              Spring fluff 14 October 2021 01: 51
              -3
              I'll count it, but what's the point? if you don’t want to think, then no one can force you.
              1. destroyed nuclear power plants. Chernobyl - 31 people died after the accident, another 19 deaths can presumably be attributed to its consequences. 134 liquidators suffered from acute radiation sickness. High doses of radiation to people, mainly from the number of emergency workers and liquidators, have served or may cause four thousand additional deaths from the long-term effects of radiation. There are 10 nuclear power plants in the Russian Federation, 90 in the USA. If you want, multiply by 10, if you want by 100. The numbers are not significant.
              2. destroyed chemical and other hazardous industries. Major chemical accidents:
              - Explosion at the Union Carbide plant on December 2, 1984 in Bhopal, India, poisoning and killing 4035 people. More than 40 thousand people were injured. A cloud of 43 tons of toxic methyl isocyanate gas (the toxicity of methyl isocyanate exceeds the toxicity of phosgene by 2-3 times), which escaped from the plant, contaminated an area 5 km long and 2 km wide.
              - In 1989, there was a chemical accident in Ionava (Lithuania). About 7 thousand tons of liquid ammonia spilled over the territory of the plant, forming a lake of poisonous liquid with a surface of about 10 thousand square meters. m. As a result of the fire, the warehouse ignited with nitrophosphate, its thermal decomposition with the release of poisonous gases. The depth of the spread of contaminated air reached 30 km. No casualties, lucky.
              - In China in September 1978, as a result of an accident at a chemical plant in the city of Suzhou, 28 tons of sodium cyanide got into the river. This number is enough to kill 48 million people, but the newspaper Zhongguo Qingnian Bao reported that the death toll was only 3. Well, let the Chinese have underestimated 10 times. Not catastrophic numbers at all.
              3. destroyed hydraulic structures. Yes, it can be serious. The largest accident in the history of a hydroelectric power station was the breakthrough of the dam of the Chinese reservoir Bankyao in 1975. The official number of victims - about 26 thousand people - takes into account those drowned in the flood; Taking into account the deaths from epidemics and hunger that spread as a result of the catastrophe, the total number of victims ranges from 171 thousand to 230 thousand. This can be a model. We have a million-plus population Krasnoyarsk and Bratsk at 200 thousand in the risk zone. Yes, it is locally dangerous, but it will not affect the whole country.
              4. infested areas, unsuitable for habitation or for agriculture; land is full, once again - calculate the area of ​​possible defeat and compare with the territory of the country, even for the United States it is about 1%. For us - a fraction of a percent.
              5. burning forests, which no one will extinguish; from the explosion, first there is light radiation, and then a shock wave that extinguishes (!) the fire. nuclear explosions were used to extinguish the strongest fires in gas fields.
              6. then you list purely local factors that can affect somewhere, somewhere not, but in any case they will not go beyond the borders of the country, but even outside the actively affected area. for example, "the highest mortality from hunger, the use of contaminated foods and radiation doses;" - do you know that not all people left the Chernobyl zone, that several thousand people work there? Do you know about the Totsk teachings in 1954? After the explosion of 40 kt nuclear warheads, more than 40 thousand servicemen passed through the affected area.
              Memoirs of Lieutenant General Zelentsov (died in 2017 at the age of 89): “Before reaching the zone of strong radioactive contamination, we crossed the road along which the attacking columns passed in front of us. passed the epicenter outside the zone of severe contamination.Immediately in the zone adjacent to the epicenter of the explosion, the ground was covered with a thin glassy crust of molten sand, crunching and breaking underfoot, like thin ice on spring puddles after a night frost. , except mine. I walked calmly on this crust, since the radiometer recorded the level of radioactivity not exceeding 1 R / h "
              1. AUL
                AUL 14 October 2021 07: 31
                +1
                Quote: Spring Fluff
                I'll count it, but what's the point?

                Even if each item is "unpleasant, but nothing special (as you think)", then all these items simultaneously - already a qualitatively different story!
                Calculate the area of ​​the circle of defeat, multiply by 1,5 thousand and compare with the area of ​​the country you are interested in, the numbers will be at the level of 1% of the territory.

                The radioactive tail from Chernobyl reached Sweden (by the way).
                Although, what can I explain to you?
                Quote: Spring Fluff
                if you don’t want to think, then no one can force you.
                In this I completely agree with you!
                1. Spring fluff
                  Spring fluff 14 October 2021 11: 49
                  -1
                  "The radioactive tail from Chernobyl reached Sweden (by the way)." AND...? What is the result? Figures, facts please. We started with a discussion of "catastrophic consequences for the whole world", and not a concern of the level of Greta T. So I am also for the environment and for the world.
                  1. AUL
                    AUL 14 October 2021 13: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Spring Fluff
                    AND...? What is the result? Figures, facts please.

                    Yes ... You are trying to load an unbearable burden on my tired shoulders - to prove something to a person, if he does not want anything to be proved to him, and breaks off (sorry) with all his might! No, I didn't sign up for that! Stay with your opinion, for God's sake, if it will be easier for you to live this way.
                    You are a boring person, despite your cheerful nickname. It is not interesting to discuss with you. sad
    2. ultra
      ultra 13 October 2021 18: 38
      -5
      You tell the UWB authorities this.
      1. citizen
        citizen 13 October 2021 18: 40
        0
        What to say? For them, such a war will also be the last and they perfectly understand this.
        1. ultra
          ultra 13 October 2021 21: 45
          0
          Who understands the senile in Congress?
          1. citizen
            citizen 13 October 2021 21: 47
            -1
            Seniors in Congress do not decide to start a war.
            1. ultra
              ultra 13 October 2021 21: 50
              -1
              The entire American elite is a bunch of senile people, I cited the congress as an example.
              1. citizen
                citizen 13 October 2021 22: 11
                -1
                If the whole world is dancing to the tune of senile people, then who is the rest of the world? Don't talk nonsense.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 October 2021 14: 07
    .
    I will even say more, these clever people who are now against Putin's rezhim, if you turn on the time machine, and in 1941 would have been among the deserters and alarmists. That is why your article did not go. Thank you for the article!
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 13 October 2021 18: 37
      +14
      The namesake, no matter how we saw, sitting on the time machine, all the current characters in the ranks of the Vlasovites.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 October 2021 19: 33
      +8
      Quote: tralflot1832
      smart guys who are now against Putin's rezhym, if you turn on the time machine, and in 1941 would be in the ranks of deserters and alarmists

      You have beguiled the times in comparison, my friend. Putin and his team are at most a provisional government, of the February 1917 model, and by a chance of fate stayed in power.
      At the end of the 40s of the last century, changes were visible, and progress was visible. What is visible now?
  • MauZerR
    MauZerR 13 October 2021 16: 42
    -6
    “Let them go out into the street for a day in the rain and stand up”. Especially these Russophobic words appeared
    What's in a proposal to go out into the Russophobic rain? Only Russians get wet in the rain?
    office managers, baristas and the like
    When you want to drink a good coffee, tell the barista that he is a Russophobe, just do not be surprised when he chops straight into the horn, because himself from the former and participated.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 13 October 2021 18: 12
      0
      Quote: MauZerR
      tell the barista that he is a Russophobe, just do not be surprised when he chops straight through the horn, because himself from the former and participated

      honestly, yes (s)
      but so that everything from what has been written is clear, so no
      where the former barista participated, I did not understand
      1. MauZerR
        MauZerR 14 October 2021 10: 06
        0
        I have one friend who played airsoft together. He has a coffee shop now. Former DShB-Schnick.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 13 October 2021 18: 13
    +7
    To be honest, I would not like to fight, but if necessary, I will have to apply professional skills. Igor is 47 years old.
    1. wandlitz
      wandlitz 13 October 2021 18: 27
      +3
      Almost with these words I answered the psychotherapist at the veterans' hospital, the only problem was age ... But if necessary ...
    2. Aag
      Aag 13 October 2021 18: 49
      +8
      Quote: Pessimist22
      To be honest, I would not like to fight, but if necessary, I will have to apply professional skills. Igor is 47 years old.

      56 years ... War, ANY, I do not want! Will force, perhaps even with pleasure ..., - "war, - as a way out of the crisis" ... (I think some knowledge is still in price ...)!
      The question is: what, for whom to fight? ...
      And, with whom ... Not with your own people? (Here many have long reproached servicemen for not shooting their fellow citizens in the 90s ...). hi
      1. Non-fighter
        Non-fighter 13 October 2021 19: 16
        -2
        You will fight with me. For I am not going to fight for THIS power.
        1. Aag
          Aag 13 October 2021 19: 51
          0
          Quote: Not the fighter
          You will fight with me. For I am not going to fight for THIS power.

          Let's, before we start fighting, turn to "you"? )))
          Moreover, the "enemy" is worth (history teaches) to respect.
          This time ...
          Two: why is the conclusion that we will end up in different "trenches"?
          Isn't it a provocateur?))
          1. Non-fighter
            Non-fighter 13 October 2021 20: 15
            -1
            Omgf .. Please look here, in the same thread, my other comment. I wrote there why I do not consider myself a patriot.
            And the answer to the unspoken question for whom I voted for is the following: I did not participate at all. And I will take part in the elections only in two cases:
            1. If they enter the column "Against all". But this will not be done because there will be too many who voted for him.
            2. If I see that our liberals can come to power. As long as they collect 5% with all kagal everything is OK, you don't have to twitch.
            1. Aag
              Aag 13 October 2021 20: 37
              -1
              On (your) point 1, I absolutely agree ...
              Point two ... In fact, VVP called itself a liberal ... I will not dispute the concepts - liberal, democrat, monarchist, etc. (although, of course, any dialogue, / as a textbook, reference book, - must begin with concepts and definitions /), I just DO NOT LIKE the direction where we are moving, where we are inclined ...
              Well, can you, (?) - purely intuitive?
              No, no, not under the influence of any kind they will let you. (Rather, on the contrary).
              Well, if the Brezhnev times were stagnant, now - (IMHO) - a deep dive ...
              Controlled (by whom?) (With a purpose?), Not controlled .... (why?) ...
              It seems that it is clearly not in the interests of the people of Russia ... at least two or three generations ...
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 13 October 2021 19: 31
        +8
        The question is: what, for whom to fight? ...
        For a place in paradise. SAM promised that we would get there. True, ITSELF was not there.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 13 October 2021 18: 16
    +12
    No, the article did not go, did not go ...
    Author, in what regiments did you serve?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 October 2021 18: 21
    0
    Is there anyone to fight for Russia?
    ... Such a ... "strange" question, I don't want to discuss it.
    The answer was, is and will always be the same.
    Mikhail Svetlov
    Grenada

    We rode in step
    We raced in battles
    And "Yablochko" -song
    Kept in the teeth.
    Ah, this song
    Still stores
    Young grass -
    Steppe malachite.
    .........., ...............
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 13 October 2021 19: 29
      +1
      I left the hut
      I went to fight
      To land in Grenada
      Give the peasants ...

      I left the hut
      I went to fight
      So that loans in Grenada
      The banks paid off. laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 October 2021 19: 56
        -3
        You shouldn't be so upset about the HOLY .... not funny.
  • singless
    singless 13 October 2021 18: 26
    +4
    I will go for my family. there is someone to protect. only a lot of years. do not have time.
  • Mole13
    Mole13 13 October 2021 18: 28
    +7
    Is there anyone to fight for Russia?

    There has always been, is and will be someone to fight for Russia. Let the "partners" not even count on anything else ...
  • Kittymoore
    Kittymoore 13 October 2021 18: 29
    -2
    I don’t understand why an office manager is worse than an average officer who will sit on the bottom of his entire "service", receive housing from the state, a fat social package and a pension at 45 years old?
    At the same time, this officer absolutely does not need to compete in the labor market and fit into the market.

    As for the topic of the article, the state, in general, does not ask if you want or do not want to fight. There is an article of the Criminal Code and a security apparatus that hardly cares about whoever wants what.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 00: 59
      -3
      Quote: Kitty Moore
      I don’t understand why an office manager is worse than an average officer who will sit on the bottom of his entire "service", receive housing from the state, a fat social package and a pension at 45 years old?

      Yes, nothing worse. And on occasion, in the same way, he will be forced to heroically die in battle as the average officer of the enemy who had previously seen only in the picture. By the way, what the hell is capitalism. People, instead of engaging in productive labor, train their whole lives in the ability to kill other people.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 13 October 2021 18: 33
    .
    Quote: Stas157
    But, in the USSR, the power was popular and fair, unlike today!

    The Red Terror, collectivization, dispossession, raskazism, "troikas", food detachments, mass repressions and ideological dictatorship, etc. - much has been done by the authorities so that hundreds of thousands fought against them.
    The current government is following this path. hi
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 13 October 2021 19: 15
      -5
      Quote: fa2998
      The current government is following this path.

      You write obscene things, it is not even an hour you will be accused of digging in the dirty linen of the past and trying to slander the USSR.
      And called the enemy of the communists laughing
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 13 October 2021 19: 50
      +14
      But, nevertheless, the Bolsheviks won .. You understand — in a civil war this is basically impossible if you are not supported by the majority of the population?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 13 October 2021 18: 37
    +23
    Millions of Russians (well, or Russian - whichever you prefer) men plow on collective farms, on the roads
    Which collective farms? In Russia, land now belongs to the family of the former Minister of Agriculture Alexander Tkachev, then Igor Khudokormov, Vladimir Yevtushenkov, the Linnik brothers, etc., on the roads, for some reason workers from Armenia work, seasonal workers from Central Asia or the Caucasus republics work in the fields. Will the Americans really bomb the enterprises belonging to the Cola and Pepsi firms, "screwdriver" factories? Like Ford? And what to annoy, the Renault-Nissan-VAZ will bomb, or will they only bomb the factories belonging to Potanin and others, for example? And so, by and large, it is worth fighting for the loans and mortgages taken, suddenly you survive, and Gref will write off all your debts. We will all die as one, for the patriarch, the president and the Fatherland.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 13 October 2021 18: 37
    +16
    in 1914 or 1941, few people seriously thought about such words
    Truth? Why is the result so different ?! I compared the pancake, the imperialist war and the people's war. The article is stupid and pretentious, wrote some "second lieutenant Dub"
    .
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 13 October 2021 18: 55
      -6
      Because in one case the issues of internal stability were not resolved, but in the other they were. And so the WWII developed radically better than WWII and there was very little left before the victory.
      1. SVD68
        SVD68 13 October 2021 21: 57
        +1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        And so the WWII developed radically better than WWII and there was very little left before the victory.

        Yeah, only the soldiers did not need a victory in WWI, but in the Great Patriotic War they really need it.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 01: 02
        -1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        And so the WWII developed radically better than WWII and there was very little left before the victory.

        Is this humor radically better?
        1. Aleksandre
          Aleksandre 14 October 2021 08: 10
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Is this humor radically better?

          Unfortunately no, not humor. This is already the fruits of propaganda in the style of "... but under the holy tsar-father everything was wonderful" plus either congenital or acquired plasticine in the inter-ear ganglia.
  • Aleksandre
    Aleksandre 13 October 2021 18: 38
    +10
    the people are not fighting for the flag or the President, but for their families and homes, their land

    Is it too pretentious? In fact, the people will be milked either one or the other, and which ones will be milked perpendicularly to the people. And while you are running around in ankle boots it is not known where and it is not clear why, who will take care of the family, the dear state? Muhahahahaa.
    Raise your hands for those who got free gauze muzzles during the pandemic ...
    And now those who bought them for their own money at (all of a sudden, of course) a tenfold price tag. And do you think something will change during the war?
  • tatra
    tatra 13 October 2021 18: 42
    +5
    And those who support the Yeltsin-Putin power themselves justify and even praise those who not only did not defend their country and people from the invaders-interventionists and the Nazis, but also ran in millions to grovel in front of those, together with them they killed their fellow citizens.
    And the enemies of the communists, after their capture of the RSFSR, diligently instilled in the people that the State is separate, and the people are separate, and that the State owes nothing to the people. So the Yeltsin-Putin government has no ideological supporters.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 October 2021 18: 50
    +20
    Is there anyone to fight for Russia?

    Author! You would have already chosen what you are fighting for: for Putin (who will sooner or later cease to be president) or for Russia, which, with such an attitude towards citizens and the tendency to reduce them massively, can disappear as a state ...
    What did you want to say with your question? Will there be a general mobilization like in 1941? No ... The country has no right to use its human potential in modern warfare like cannon fodder. Victory in today's war is possible only with the participation of specialists and professionals in it. Now there will be no militia and volunteers of pre-conscription age. You must remember this ... And you are raising questions about your readiness to die for Russia ...
    It will never reach you that the enemy is not the one who shouts insults and curses into the microphone. And the one who every day, every year turns the land of the country into a devastated desert and into poisoned landfills. Are you ready to go to the same Potanin and tell him that he is a liar, and all his capital will not cover the harm that he and his subordinates have caused the ecology of the North? And there are 123 Mr. such, reckoned to Russia ... And then there is the flooded diamond mine "Mir" ... Burned down millions of hectares of taiga ... The polluted sea coast ... Smoking landfills of solid waste ...
    ==========
    Let's stop playing games and dividing sides into “ours” and “fascists”. I'm afraid that soon there will be nothing to fight for. Wherever you go, everywhere there is either rent or private property. You would have dealt with this. And, if we really need to take a machine gun, then we will take it ... Maybe it will turn out faster this way - to protect Russia ...
    1. Vlad Baryatinsky
      Vlad Baryatinsky 13 October 2021 19: 03
      +2
      Bravo! More precisely, you will not write!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 13 October 2021 18: 54
    .
    Good article. Such a rarity lately.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 13 October 2021 19: 01
    +5
    Much worse is the other - that people will fight for Russia - and the oligarchs, the Kremlin Caudla and the devil personally will again take advantage of the blood-won victory, largely devaluing the efforts and losses. Is there a need for such a war, as a result of which people will not live easier?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 October 2021 19: 52
      -1
      Quote: Basarev
      Much worse is the other - that people will fight for Russia - and the oligarchs, the Kremlin Caudla and the devil personally will again take advantage of the blood-won victory, largely devaluing the efforts and losses. Is there a need for such a war, as a result of which people will not live easier?

      So the author does not force you to fight for the Russian Federation, this is a personal matter, your reasoning has been heard, the Russian Federation will find another "mr" of the RChBZ troops ...
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 01: 07
        -4
        Quote: Lara Croft
        your reasoning has been heard, the Russian Federation will find another "mr" of the RChBZ troops.

        Patriots of migrant workers from Tajikistan? Will it work out exactly? You are a lot like patriots to bang. They would have worked the same way.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 14 October 2021 07: 17
          -3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          You are a lot like patriots to bang.

          While you're driving empty runs here ...
          They would have worked the same way.

          Yes, I seem to work and pay taxes, you are somehow sided with the quality of my work, again, just to blurt out like a bazaar woman, not answering for their words ... jackals like that from any topic on the forum are ready to fucking arrange ...
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 07: 28
            -3
            Quote: Lara Croft
            While you're driving empty runs here ...

            It is you who are the empty ones who are persecuting the people who have gathered to exchange the population of Russia for guest workers.
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Yes, I seem to work and pay taxes

            Work for five rubles for a patriotic commentary?
            Quote: Lara Croft
            which side to the quality of my work

            You work shitty. Unconvincing. It's time to optimize you, throw the fuck out into the cold and recruit migrant workers for outsourcing.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 14 October 2021 07: 33
              -3
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              It's time to optimize you, throw the fuck out into the cold and recruit migrant workers for outsourcing.

              In which hospital you are sick, again I made my way to the nurse's computer ... go to your ward already a marshal ... unrecognized ...
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 07: 38
                -2
                You are again extremely unconvincing. Will recruit such as corrupt patriots on the ad.
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 14 October 2021 07: 40
                  -5
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  You are again extremely unconvincing. Will recruit such as corrupt patriots on the ad.

                  Okay, slave, I have to go to work ...
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 07: 44
                    -3
                    Stomp, stomp the "elite". We can somehow manage without hysterical traders in patriotism.
  • fiberboard
    fiberboard 13 October 2021 19: 01
    +32
    The author, maybe there is still the question "Why should we better illuminate the war?" When I went to Chechnya, I understood that I was going not only for money, so there was, as they say now, motivation. And what have we achieved? The fact that three thugs beat up the Russian military cadets, and three more guys from Voronezh in the subway? I went to the market, so there we, Russians, seem to be second-class people. A Russian guy, a special forces soldier, took part in military operations, stood up for a woman, Central Asians killed him. They are brought here by passenger trains. Today an article has been published on KM.ru, now our rulers have announced an amnesty, the bandits from Central Asia to Russia can now go safely. In Moscow, there are already fewer Russians than Asians. Children of our "elite" in the countries of our potential enemies, and do not want to return. The clownery with the name "Elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation" showed that no one is going to reckon with our opinion. You can convince me as much as you like that the country votes for Putin and United Russia, I still will not believe. One and a half million WBD, and what, the state cares about us a lot? 3212 rubles a month, what can you buy with them? In 1914, they did not know what they were fighting for, how did it end? In 1941 they knew for what, and were ready to fight. Now for what, for what slogans? "For Putin! For United Russia! For Alisher Usmanov and Rottenberg! Let Russia become Central Asia!" should our soldiers rise to the attack? Our current government and the president cannot offer any idea that could unite us, they simply are not capable of it. They brushed aside communist ideas, and will not return, because they will have to answer for what they have stolen. Nationalist does not suit them, the cheap labor force of migrants gives them big profits. It remains only according to our classics: "They started talking about patriotism again, they probably got it over again."
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 October 2021 19: 08
      +10
      Quote: fiberboard
      The author, maybe there is still the question "Why should we better illuminate the war?" When I went to Chechnya, I understood that I was going not only for money, so there was, as they say now, motivation.

      Wonderful comment! hi good
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 October 2021 19: 55
      -9
      Quote: fiberboard
      The author, maybe there is still the question "Why should we better illuminate the war?"

      So you write to us in your article ...
      1. fiberboard
        fiberboard 14 October 2021 13: 38
        +2
        Strangers are usually addressed to YOU. And I am not a master at writing articles, I have never done this. But to agree with the author or not is my right, and to explain why and in what I do not agree.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 14 October 2021 19: 43
          -2
          Quote: fiberboard
          And I am not a master at writing articles, I have never done this.

          Yes, this is understandable could not write ... another thing is someone else's work pour slop ... to the delight of like-minded people ...
  • Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 13 October 2021 19: 04
    +1
    In the 90s in the country in general ... oops there was also a war in the Caucasus, of course there were enough deviators, but still there were more of those who honestly fulfilled their duty. I think it will be the same now. It's just in vain that the author divides the society, a former colleague just got into the events of 2008, and nothing prevented him from becoming a so-called office manager later. Many acquaintances graduated from TVVIK just in the first Chechen war and went to fight, now just the office managers tell them this. I doubt very much for the safety of the jaw of the one who said.
  • Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 13 October 2021 19: 13
    +10
    What to fight for? For fat cats, for majors, for our elite, which has long given a damn about the people?
    This elite has long had its own closed quarters where they live, their kindergartens, schools, and then their children study in Europe. Is that the air we still breathe is ours, Russian. These are no longer our citizens, and there are already three and third generations there. Are you suggesting that I die for their luxurious lifestyle?
    I pay taxes, including indirect ones, and when I needed help from the state (the employer threw with the salary), then I got what fig. And I won't get anything anymore, although equality before the law is officially declared
  • north 2
    north 2 13 October 2021 19: 17
    -5
    the article is very strange. After all, a modern global war against Russia will be atomic, with Russia's response to the aggressor with an atom. So to fight the global war will be missiles. And even the mobilization will not have time to announce, and it will not be needed. And in a local war, or an expedition of the Russian army, like now in Syria, there are regular Russian armed forces, in those expeditions, samples of the latest weapons are used, so in such a war the mobilized reserve soldier the day before yesterday will bring more burden than benefit.
    As for the so-called war of Russia against Georgia, it was not a war on the part of Russia, but a fleeting local military conflict and, in my opinion, only two regiments of the Russian army and another military landing unit participated in it. What, here, too, it was necessary to announce mobilization in Russia? And we must not forget that from that time, from 2008, the Russian army has changed so much that now, in a similar conflict with Georgia, the conflict would not be fleeting, but instant. Such that Saakashvili would not even have time to bring a tie to his mouth.
    And if the article tried to hint provocatively that not all servicemen of the Russian army are going to fight for Russia, then it is not clear how the editors of VO missed such a disguised provocation.
    In fact, it should be about whether there is anyone to defend Russia in the information war and whether Russia in this information war will be protected by Russian tolerasts with liberals, oligarchs and the fifth column in Russia. Well what can I say? Can you imagine Chubais, Venediktov or Makarevich and Akhedzhakova in any ranks of the defenders of Russia? And also a young tribe like them. This is what kind of war against Russia should be talked about, and for the defense of Russia with the use of lethal weapons, in a modern fleeting war there is a modern army and navy for this.
    1. Waterways 672
      Waterways 672 13 October 2021 19: 51
      +4
      Quote: north 2
      Can you imagine Chubais, Venediktov or Makarevich and Akhedzhakova in any ranks of the defenders of Russia? And also a young tribe like them.


      - I'll take it on the account, and fight - a shish with butter. I am badly injured during the operation.
  • Aurel
    Aurel 13 October 2021 19: 18
    .
    In the 90s, he talked with a former NKVD serviceman, and so, he said that when Hitler attacked the USSR, many citizens of the USSR gloated, they say Stalin was kapets, the soldiers at the front massively surrendered to the Nazis. There were cases when they threw equipment without showing any resistance ...
  • Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 13 October 2021 19: 22
    -3
    I read some comments, this is some kind of nightmare. "... for whom to fight?", but for yourself in the first place! Or that the authors of such opuses agree to live under the occupants?
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 13 October 2021 19: 53
      +6
      Or that the authors of such opuses agree to live under the occupants?

      Excuse me - and now who are we living under? Climb under the tank so that some bourgeoisie won't be replaced by others, God forbid?
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 13 October 2021 21: 18
        +1
        Quote: paul3390
        Excuse me - and now who are we living under? Climb under the tank so that some bourgeoisie won't be replaced by others, God forbid?

        It is a pity that very few people understand this joke.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 13 October 2021 20: 00
      -8
      Quote: Alex 1970
      I read some comments, this is some kind of nightmare. "... for whom to fight?", but for yourself in the first place! Or that the authors of such opuses agree to live under the occupants?

      Hamish starley .... there is subordination and seniority, there are no random generals and marshals .... those who are smarter try not to write anything at all, because can minus to s-that out of schadenfreude ...
      1. Alex 1970
        Alex 1970 13 October 2021 20: 46
        +4
        And I'm not here for the stars at all. The logic of people with such comments you yourself see what. A little more and there will be a sacramental "but I would have drunk Bavarian beer"
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 13 October 2021 20: 54
          -7
          Quote: Alex 1970
          A little more and there will be a sacramental "but I would have drunk Bavarian beer"

          It doesn't matter who is in power, violated the oath, which means - ...
          1. DECORATOR
            DECORATOR 13 October 2021 21: 57
            +1
            Some of us broke three oaths, and nothing - flourishes!
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 01: 18
            +1
            A very good snippet of a dull liberal movie of lies. Where is the same Serebryakov who watered Russia with mud pompously talks about the fact that the homeland must be loved. You hit the bull's-eye. This is your whole pseudo-patriotic essence. You are no different from the liberals, the same pathological liars and hypocrites who are ready to betray at any moment.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 13 October 2021 19: 29
    +2
    Quote: Bez 310
    No, the article did not go, did not go ...
    Author, in what regiments did you serve?

    In the Olginsky. Under the contract.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 13 October 2021 19: 35
    +2
    Quote: ROSS 42
    And, if we really need to take a machine gun, then we will take it ... Maybe it will turn out faster this way - to protect Russia ...

    It's a pity you can't put more pluses for your comment.
    I absolutely agree. good
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 13 October 2021 19: 36
    -7
    An incomprehensible and provocative article ...
    I think so, if you really deign to take the oath, be ready to die for the Russian Federation, ideally with a dozen Empireists capturing ... it seems simple and understandable ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 October 2021 21: 10
      +7
      Quote: Lara Croft
      I think so, if I have deigned to take the oath, be ready to die for the RF

      And why did not the communist colonel the tsar die for the USSR? Did he make a pretend oath then?
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 13 October 2021 21: 11
        .
        Quote: Stas157
        And why didn’t he die for the USSR, the communist Colonel Putin? Did he make a pretend oath then?

        Are you 5 years old? Take responsibility for yourself ...
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 01: 21
      -3
      Come on. You understand everything. The air smelled of gunpowder and a campaign to raise patriotism among the people began. At the same time, the mood is checked. Serfs must be ready to die for the owner's capital. But as you can see, the slaves do not burn with such a desire. Sadness, huh?
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 14 October 2021 07: 28
        -5
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        But as you can see, the slaves do not burn with such a desire.

        Yes, you young man have always been a bad slave .... you have to work, and you "scratch with your tongue" presenting your opinion as a general one ... but everyone understands that your reasoning is a slave, and lazy and cowardly ....
        Sadness, huh?

        For your family, yes, because even the most cowardly slave must defend his family, but you cover up your unwillingness to defend your family and cowardice with your unwillingness to defend with lordly property ...
        Yes, there are many ghouls in Russia, such not only will hide in a crack, in case of war, like a cockroach, but will also prevent others from defending their country ...
        Fu even disgusting to communicate ...
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 14 October 2021 07: 36
          -2
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Yes, you young man have always been a bad slave .... you have to work, and you "scratch with your tongue" presenting your opinion as a general one ... but everyone understands that your reasoning is a slave, and lazy and cowardly ....

          I understand you. You got the wrong people. Not that lazy, cowardly, ungrateful people. Doesn't understand that dying for your candle factory is happiness. And the fact that they beat them in the face with their boots and starve them with hunger is solely for the benefit of the slave. Well, what can you do about these times. Little people were crushed, crushed.
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Yes, there were many ghouls in Russia

          It's true. And you see one such ghoul every day in the mirror.
    3. border
      border 18 October 2021 15: 29
      -2
      Quote: Lara Croft
      An incomprehensible and provocative article ...
      I think so, if you really deign to take the oath, be ready to die for the Russian Federation, ideally with a dozen Empireists capturing ... it seems simple and understandable ...

      What is the difference between our empirialists and foreign ones? that ours have a second passport with a two-headed eagle?
  • nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 13 October 2021 19: 42
    +1
    Of course, patriotism plays an important role in such a time. But without a clear organization of mobilization, little will come of it. It is most important. Are our officials ready for this ??? One more remark. It seems strange, but the more military districts, the easier it is to mobilize. There are warehouses nearby, ready to dress and shoe the recruits. There are also experienced officers. Here is the necessary technique. First you need to learn how to organize yourself in different matters, and then think about the war.
  • sifgame
    sifgame 13 October 2021 19: 48
    +4
    I have . Although I'm 45.
    1. Lena Petrova
      Lena Petrova 14 October 2021 09: 43
      0
      And I, although I'm 60. But, I'm not sick with anything - even tomorrow I will fight. :))
      All this chatter about the system, the oligarchs, and so on. Muynu - these are all our internal graters - they do not belong to the war. Well, it comes out immediately to surrender and go to a concentration camp in the oven (and this is what will happen).
      And external aggression is completely different. This is our land, we have nowhere to go - either live here or die.
      Those who disagree, in wartime, are treated according to the laws of wartime. Fast and easy to understand. So it was, and so it will be.
  • Evil troll
    Evil troll 13 October 2021 20: 05
    +1
    The article may not be a masterpiece of the literary genre, but it's a good stuff) So many real patriots immediately declared that "I don't want to fight for this power." laughing
    1. victor50
      victor50 13 October 2021 22: 03
      +2
      Quote: Angry Troll
      So many real patriots immediately declared that "I do not want to fight for this power."

      And what, patriotism is loyalty to the authorities? I thought it was love for the Motherland. lol
      1. Evil troll
        Evil troll 14 October 2021 05: 55
        0
        I also thought, but it turns out that Rotenberg and Chubais are hindering people from loving their Motherland. Now, if not for their capital, then at least with a bayonet on the tank, and so - sorry.
    2. Woodman
      Woodman 13 October 2021 22: 31
      +4
      Quote: Angry Troll
      So many real patriots

      Moreover, the most active of them either have dual citizenship, or relatives over the hill, to which they are thinking of dumping - just the other day, in the comments, they were frank about themselves ...
  • mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 13 October 2021 20: 30
    +3
    Every time I read about millions under the bed of another official, about their real estate abroad and children, there is less and less patriotism. But this money could go to the purchase of the same fittings. But no, it's cheaper to tell about the trolley that the type 72 is still a modern tank. (((
  • Spring fluff
    Spring fluff 13 October 2021 20: 36
    +3
    By the way, I want to draw your attention to an important point. According to the official statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are more than 1,5 million migrants in Moscow. This is more than the number of all the RF Armed Forces. For the most part, without their own housing, income from construction and services, the purpose of staying is to make money. Most of their families are abroad. What and for whom will they do if something happens?
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 13 October 2021 21: 19
      +5
      Quote: Spring Fluff
      Most of their families are abroad.

      Agree, but outdated data. Most of the families have already been dragged to Russia, but they do not want to learn the language and laws. This is even more dangerous.
    2. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 13 October 2021 21: 45
      -1
      Fifth column
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 13 October 2021 20: 36
    +2
    Oh, come on. Nobody from Russia went to Donbass? And after all, not by order, and not just not for money, but at your own expense
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 13 October 2021 21: 17
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      Oh, come on. Nobody from Russia went to Donbass? And after all, not by order, and not just not for money, but at your own expense

      I personally know five such people. yes
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 13 October 2021 20: 37
    +5
    Volunteers in Donbass have really fought and are fighting for Russia. Men died in Chechnya for Russia. Unexpectedly for the "administration", there were a lot of such people. And among these people there were people with very different passports and surnames. There are hundreds of times more heroes of these wars than peacekeepers in Syria. But the "administration" is openly "shy" of the heroes of Russia. In the Russian Federation, it is simply unsafe to be a patriot of Russia, and even more so to defend the Fatherland.
  • JD1979
    JD1979 13 October 2021 20: 38
    +5
    Autumn ... Another throwing of a restless soul in search of truth and the fifth angle. And it looks like they again forgot the main question raised and went into the wild.
    So, the author himself raised the topic: Global War. What does this have to do with local conflicts and who and what fought in them and with what losses?
    If the war is global, EVERYTHING is in the war. Some are on the front lines, some are in the rear at the machine. All ages are involved except for kindergarten and elementary school, and then the latter are in question. Losses ... Huge. Firstly, our contractors will be their contractors, and secondly, weapons from WWII have greatly increased their effectiveness, even without taking into account weapons of mass destruction. And after the pros, everyone who can will join the ranks. Plus, in a global war, strikes will also be directed at megalopolises and large cities, so that non-combatants also have a great chance to hit the full, hello to Dresden, and coupled with the fact that anti-aircraft missiles are not endless and it is unlikely that the stock will be replenished quickly and completely, every day risks will increase.
    Well, in the end, even if we win. We will lose anyway. Russia is driven into a demographic dead end by the wise efforts of thieves in power now, and if you add losses and devastation to the top in the event of a global war ... There will be no one to restore the population. Pensioners do not give birth, surviving children are early, the most favorable age is 20-30 years old lies in the ground. And against the background of a billion Chinese, Indians, Arabs, the territory of Russia will be a lifeless desert, and if they want to develop these lands, they will have nothing to oppose. And China will do it 100%, simply because they understand that either these territories will go to them, or they will take the west and then they will not see resources from Russia. There is no need to stutter about friendship either. Friendship is friendship, and idiocy in the public interest is not typical for the Chinese.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 13 October 2021 21: 29
      +3
      And this is all for the sake of making Mikhelson, Vrotenberg and Chubais richer?
  • p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 13 October 2021 21: 23
    -1
    I would like to remind you of South Ossetia and Syria - and with much lower losses than, say, in Afghanistan: in 2008, 73 Russian servicemen were killed, in the SAR - at least 176 (but obviously not 15, as in the DRA).

    Well, what are these numbers for ??? If we compare the intensity of armed conflicts and their duration, then the picture per day will change and will no longer be so profitable from the propaganda point of view ?! Clear...
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 13 October 2021 21: 27
    -1
    Well, let's do it, for our people, for the Motherland - yes, for Michelson, Wrotenberg - no.
    Remember what happened in 1916 ... 1917.
    Why should I fight for other people's money, because they don't live here, but only earn money.
    The question is, what do we want? If some rob, so what's the difference?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 46
      -4
      a simple question .. here are the bombs falling on your house .. more precisely, not like that, you know that the war has started, it is approaching your city or village, young guys are dying and you will declare, let the bombs fall on my house, but for Michelson I will fight I won't?
      1. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 13 October 2021 21: 59
        -1
        Those. Michelson, Wrotenberg, etc. will they actually take "my house" hostage?
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 13 October 2021 22: 00
          -5
          hmm ... the point is whether they will take it or not, And the fact that the war will go through your house, but I already understood that you will not fight .. just remember that the fate of the policeman is not enviable
          1. 75 Sergey
            75 Sergey 14 October 2021 00: 08
            -3
            For what purpose do you confuse warm with soft?
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 14 October 2021 10: 10
              0
              I'm not confusing, but you) I wrote everywhere in the comments that if there is a war, then either you are at war, or you run ... well, either you go to the police)
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 13 October 2021 21: 44
    -5
    It's funny how many "patriots who care for the country" sang together that "we will not fight for this country"
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 13 October 2021 22: 00
      -2
      We will be for the Country and the people, but we will not be for those, but for this it is necessary that the power again be transferred to the people.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 13 October 2021 22: 25
        -1
        laughing but do not tell me where is the border that now your house is being bombed and you are at war and now they are bombing again, but you are not at war? Well, it's just interesting to know your excuse)
  • p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 13 October 2021 21: 46
    -1
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: SaLaR
    Correctly noticed .... for the article + ... Immediately how many bots climbed out ... you can see how they start from the article ...

    Well, you have already started your battle sofa and right now you will teach us to love our homeland. laughing

    Yes, comrade. The private airborne forces, as soon as "SaLaR" wrote this key phrase, everything immediately fell into place:
    "And I recognize the darling by his walk
    He wears trousers in breeches. "
    So, with their comments, the trolls on the battle sofas go into battle! winked
  • faterdom
    faterdom 13 October 2021 21: 59
    +2
    Guessing in advance who, how and for whom will fight is a thankless task.
    This did not know, people did not guess either in 1914 or in 41st.
    Arsen Pavlov also did not prepare to fight, but he served as a signalman in my former division, reduced to a brigade, and then to a battalion of marine infantry. But now, the time has come - and for him everything fell into place: behind ours, in front of the enemies ... And it turned out, quite effectively.
    I am ready, provided that the Internet is turned off, or outside the network coverage area, prepare a platoon of heavy tiktokers and bloggers, even with a morgenstern ... In a month they will be able to dig a trench for MSL lying in 22 minutes, put on an OZK in an armored vehicle and throw a hand grenade.
    And all these verbiage about the oligarchs, Chubais, and defaming the mura are easily knocked out of my head by simple worries to devour and sleep, with their chronic shortage.
    Homeland is not Chubais for you, and not even Putin (as Volodin obsequiously asserts).
    Homeland is whether you and your children will live on this earth, and in what capacity.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 14 October 2021 00: 12
      0
      I agree, the key word as someone ... will be in one case or another.
  • MrFox
    MrFox 13 October 2021 22: 05
    +1
    To defend your land means ... the author, take a look at Rosreestr, to whom this land belongs. Thousands of hectares.

    We do not have our own land.

    And thousands of hectares will come to an agreement with the Americans. Property rights are respected there. So they don't need to protect anything, and even more so for us
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  • SVD68
    SVD68 13 October 2021 22: 19
    +2
    Of course I have. There are more than 2 million members of United Russia alone. And they will undoubtedly be in the forefront of the volunteers.
    And when the mobilization is carried out by the CEC, the replenishment in any required amount will be provided. There is no reason to worry.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 13 October 2021 23: 06
      -1
      Of course I have. There are more than 2 million members of United Russia alone. And they will undoubtedly be in the forefront of the volunteers.
      And when the mobilization is carried out by the CEC, the replenishment in any required amount will be provided. There is no reason to worry.
      laughing HA HA HA HA !!!! Until tears! Yes, yes it will be if God forbid that. laughing
  • vavilon
    vavilon 13 October 2021 22: 37
    0
    If you fight for Russia, then only together with the so-called elites, oligarchs and their children in the forefront on the front line,
    although which I doubt very much, most likely they will sit out in bunkers or somewhere in the west
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 14 October 2021 00: 13
      0
      and most likely on the other hand
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 October 2021 22: 49
    0
    Quote: Barberry25
    laughing Well, don't you suggest that the topvar's expert will find 50 excuses, because it's one thing to shout 24 to 7 about "bad country, aligarchs, etc., etc.", and another thing when tomorrow the war comes home, take up arms ... you)

    Take it, can you? sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 October 2021 22: 53
    -2
    Quote: Sergej1972
    I wonder what ub .... ok wrote it?

    Folk epic. And what are the doubts? lol wassat
  • vavilon
    vavilon 13 October 2021 22: 59
    +1
    I swore an oath to the Union and will remain faithful to it, but how can you go to war under the leadership of those who have already changed the oath once !? If Betrayed once means they will betray the second
    Previously, they fought for the tsar, for the homeland, for Stalin, but today for whom !? For the oligarchs' loot !? So let them hire mercenaries, pay them and let them fight for them, and RUSSIA WAS, IS AND WILL BE under any system
    1. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 13 October 2021 23: 45
      -2
      The problem is that the second time will not be mistaken. They will explain to you that the best period of the existence of Russia was under Prince Vladimir the Red Sun, or under Vsevolod the Big Nest. And they will divide the country according to destinies, which will constantly fight among themselves with small professional armies aka squads.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 14 October 2021 09: 12
        0
        They are no different from ours, the same methods and goals, the only question is who can more impressively powder their brains. In the west, while it turns out better
    2. Andrey Student
      14 October 2021 18: 24
      0
      Most of the generals-marshals of 1941-1945 still swore allegiance to the tsar - are they also traitors? My great-grandfather beat the Fritzes under the tsar and was wounded in the Brusilov breakthrough and died in a hospital in 1943 - a traitor? My uncle was blowing an urgent trumpet in the Soviet Union, but he was left without a kidney in the First Chechen War - a traitor? Take it easy in expressions.
      1. Andrey Student
        14 October 2021 18: 25
        +1
        vavilon (Vavilon)
        Yesterday, 22: 59
        +1
        I swore an oath to the Union and will remain faithful to it, but how can you go to war under the leadership of those who have already changed the oath once !? If Betrayed once means they will betray the second
        Previously, they fought for the tsar, for the homeland, for Stalin, but today for whom !? For the oligarchs' loot !? So let them hire mercenaries, pay them and let them fight for them, and RUSSIA WAS, IS AND WILL BE under any system
      2. vavilon
        vavilon 14 October 2021 22: 11
        0
        Do not compare tsarist times and Soviet times from today's Russia
        In tsarist times, the military fought for the tsar and the fatherland in the Soviet Union for the homeland and Stalin they had faith, they had an ideology and not the loot for which they buy everyone today. That the tsar that the USSR was betrayed by the oligarchs whose followers are now in power
        So tell me, my dear, who to fight for now?
        Where is she Russia? look at the map of tsarist times, Soviet times and compare it from today and there you will find the answer to all your questions
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 13 October 2021 23: 04
    -1
    For what to die and for whom?
    Well, for whom and what to die for? Gorgeous article! Finally, I lived to see such a topic. Do not pay further decent salaries to your people. And the people will not care who sits in the Kremlin.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 13 October 2021 23: 11
    -1
    Again, an empty opinion article.
    No numbers, no statistics, no analysis.

    There is an opinion. But there is no answer.
    or this: "unlike the Soviet army, contractors are fighting in the Russian army - that is, professional military men ..."

    That is, for now, for a contract, for money.

    And any enthusiasts - in some new LDNR, so that they settle down, optimize, and do not create problems for the authorities ... (by the way, the media somehow did not notice there volunteers - relatives of official patriots. But in foreign schools - on the contrary ...)
  • Radikal
    Radikal 13 October 2021 23: 33
    -1
    Quote: Barberry25
    so be fruitful and multiply ... who bothers you .. or do you really think that tomorrow an occupant uncle will come and make you a happy and sweet life, so that Russia becomes a better place to live?

    Have you bred already? sad