The media reported on the transition of the Russian Defense Ministry to a new system of professional selection for conscripts

It became known that the military department decided to revise the system of professional selection in relation to young Russians of draft age. We are talking about professional and psychological selection, which allows you to identify the inclinations of the conscript. The current system has been operating for several decades, and, according to experts, has largely ceased to correspond to modern realities. In this regard, there was a certain lack of information about the inclinations (inclinations) of young people when passing the appropriate commissions.

The newspaper "Izvestia" сообщает that the new system will reveal signs of deviant behavior. The data obtained as a result of professional and psychological selection, when identifying signs of deviant behavior of a conscript during the tests, will ultimately have to be transferred to a psychiatrist from the members of the medical commission.

It is emphasized that the system has already shown its effectiveness during test use. The head of the organizational and mobilization department of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces E. Burdinsky noted that it was already possible to identify about 2 thousand conscripts with manifestations of the above-mentioned deviant behavior. At the same time, it was noted that if it were not for the new system of professional and psychological selection, then these conscripts would have ended up in the troops.

The very question of how to transform the system of professional selection arose a long time ago. In many respects, the reason was that the system, which was "in service" with the draft commissions, having turned, in fact, into a formality, did not allow identifying signs of deviant behavior in young people. As a result, following the results of the medical examination, physically healthy people with behavioral disorders could be conscripted into the troops. Moreover, they did not have any mental illness. However, it was these behavioral disorders that sometimes led to the fact that during the service it was with these young people that various kinds of incidents arose, up to the unauthorized abandonment of the unit and the commission of serious crimes.

Comments

[Vitas]

The main thing is that the recruitment plan does not interrupt the new recruiting system!

[Finches]

I want to frankly admit that the morale and psychological stability, the ability to find a way out of various life situations on your own (without the help of adults and the Internet), the ability to make an adequate and correct decision ... today's recruit is an order of magnitude worse than it was 20 years ago! New reality - digital economy, remote reality, virtual recruit ...

[Nafanya from the sofa]

today's conscript is an order of magnitude worse than it was 20 years ago!

- Yes, there were people in our time,
Not that the present tribe:
Bogatyri - not you!
(M.Yu. Lermontov)

This has never happened before, and here again!
(V.S. Chernomyrdin)

[Gardamir]

This has never happened before, and here again!

Your humor is understandable, because over the past few thousand years, humanity has not changed very much.
But with the advent of homo interneticusa. Everything turned upside down. People sit thousands of kilometers apart and communicate. You can lie, insult and nothing will happen. Or in the game. killed, left the battle, went into another and again alive. For some, it blows their brains.

[Lech from Android.]

To develop independence, a boy must be placed in an appropriate environment where it is developed ... these are obvious things.
A guy who grew up in conditions when mom and dad does everything for him and uncle Vasya will not become independent overnight ... it takes time to adapt ... not all guys can adapt ... unfortunately they do not call ready-made men into the army ... still need to be formed from raw young stock.

[Finches]

This requires at least 2 years of service - then something can be formed! Year, this is a laughing matter to the hens!

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Finches

This requires at least 2 years of service - then something can be formed! Year, this is a laughing matter to the hens!

He served himself for 2 years. The first year, roughly speaking, I studied the barracks and yearned for home
Only in the second year I began to master and understand something. And we were no stupider than the present

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is where it was? In fact, for the first six months they are in training, where, frankly, not to study the barracks. It is always amazing when people who have not seen life themselves try to teach life.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

In fact, the first six months are in training,

All jogging and only two desires, to eat and sleep
But I said about a year to the fact that it is impossible to make a normal soldier in a year *

It is always amazing when people who have not seen life themselves try to teach life.

I am 64 years old and in my life I have seen a lot

[Doliva63]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

This is where it was? In fact, for the first six months they are in training, where, frankly, not to study the barracks. It is always amazing when people who have not seen life themselves try to teach life.

Who told you that all those drafted into the army are in training? It's funny.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Nothing funny, a comrade with a clear eye declares that he studied the barracks for a year. I didn’t pull his tongue. And how many were in training, and how many passed the 2-month course of a young fighter, I am not at all interested, that's not at all. If this question attracts and amuses you so much, study it, amuse yourself.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Nothing funny, a comrade with a clear eye declares that he studied the barracks for a year. I didn’t pull his tongue. And how many were in training, and how many passed the 2-month course of a young fighter, I am not at all interested, that's not at all. If this question attracts and amuses you so much, study it, amuse yourself.

I remember that the KMB lasted for a month. If you do not care how many were included in the training and how many did not, why did you focus on the training? I'm just talking about that. Or here is such a case - a person on call gets into the training of the ZAS in the Air Force, and within a month he did not come for admission. Where is it? To the line regiment. He comes there, and there are planes that he has never seen in his life, there, scary to say, a group of special bomb weapons (if you know what it is), there is a mass of aviation equipment, there, finally, bombs and missiles. And who will let him into all this? Nobody ever. Only after the appropriate training. So the poor fellow will go to the outfits until the squadron commander or someone else puts him somewhere. This was not uncommon. In vain you are so categorical.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Finches

Year, this is a laughing matter to the smokers!

It is quite enough for mastering VUSA and practicing skills.

[ivanec]

And even earlier the grass was greener!

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Finches

find a way out of various life situations, the ability to make an adequate and correct decision ..

Without Internet nowhere

[Petro_tut]

virtual recruit ...

The army will soon start accepting avatars

[AUL]

Quote: Vitas

The main thing is that the recruitment plan does not interrupt the new recruiting system!

It is emphasized that the system has already shown its effectiveness during test use. The head of the organizational and mobilization department of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces E. Burdinsky noted that it was already possible to identify about 2 thousand conscripts with manifestations of the above-mentioned deviant behavior. At the same time, it was noted that if it were not for the new system of professional and psychological selection, then these conscripts would have ended up in the troops.

And the deviant, therefore, turned away from the army? Shine! A couple of consultations before the commission with an intelligent psychologist about "deviant behavior", and you're free! And the specialist in the commission, which determines this parameter, will not die of hunger.

[Flooding]

Quote from AUL

A couple of consultations before the commission with an intelligent psychologist about "deviant behavior", and you are free

you can fight it
there would be a desire
all deviant to choose a wolf ticket or alternative service

[Mavrikiy]

We are talking about professional and psychological selection, which allows you to identify the inclinations of the conscript.

Glory to the RF Armed Forces! Yes, it took how much mind and time it took to get to such an obviousness?

[NDR-791]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Glory to the RF Armed Forces! Yes, it took how much mind and time it took to get to such an obviousness?

Our ancestors have long come to such an obviousness:
Handsome in the cavalry,
Clever in artillery
A drunkard in the navy
And ... in the infantry.
By the way, since the 18th century he has been walking among the troops. But we are not looking for easy ways, we suffer difficulties and overcome them heroically !!!

[taiga2018]

My nephew told me that their conscript ran away from the guard and grabbed a submachine gun, well, then they found him and returned the submachine gun, but after that only contract soldiers were put on guard ... So if conscripts are not trusted with weapons, if they are not put on guard, why call them at all? I understand that at the lessons of the CWP, we often held weapons in our hands than the current conscripts ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: taiga2018

.So if conscripts are not trusted with weapons, if they are not put on guard,

It seems like they don't wash the floor in the barracks either, they don't go to the kitchen in an outfit.

[Konnick]

More often the psyche breaks down already in the army. Before the army, the conscript is absolutely healthy, but the "army" reality can have a strong influence on the behavior of the soldier. It would be better if they brought more order in the army and made officers on duty around the clock in the barracks.

[Cat]

and forced officers to be on duty around the clock in the barracks.

Then it's better to call conscripts with mothers or grandmothers in the kit.

[Woodman]

Quote: Gato

Then it's better to call conscripts with mothers or grandmothers in the kit.

And then I remembered a good Soviet cartoon "About Sidorov Vova".

[Cat]

Likewise. I watched it as a child - but it's still relevant.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Konnick

but the "army" reality can have the strongest influence

There should be enough contractors for these events. A good contract sergeant is worth a lot.

[Sergei 777]

The old system wasn't too bad either. It just became an empty formality. I wrote a bad psychological test, go rewrite it. And so on until you get through.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I don't remember writing any tests at all. The old system was sorted by health and growth.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Konnick

More often the psyche breaks down already in the army.

But what kind of a weak psyche is it that today's recruits have, because they serve only a year, there is no hazing, they talk to their mother-folder almost every day on the phone, every month they send money, then a parcel is sent ... And what would become of them if, like in our times, hazing at night, and hazing during the day?

[Konnick]

But what kind of a weak psyche is it that today's recruits have, because they serve only a year, there is no hazing, they talk to their mother-folder almost every day on the phone, every month they send money or a parcel ...

Keyword money ...
The material stratification of society also affected the army. If earlier a healthy collective farm guy, having received a sergeant, took out his village envy on the young urban ones, now, feeling their inferiority in money, some couple of Dags from the aul build a platoon and appoint a bribe from the rich Russian Buratino, as in the days of the Mongol yoke.
And how will these commissions check the adequacy of the highlanders, if the members of the commission themselves have recently descended from the mountains?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I don’t know for sure how inferiority is now, but then, receiving 7 rubles, one could feel the inferiority in full.

[rocket757]

But they won't come up with anything ... and then they don't know how to get out of it!
Before, there was a professional selection ... not a Komsomol member, not a social activist, you go to sunny Magadan, to dig caponiers for tanks !!!! - that's what the military commissar said!

[askort154]

Homo sapiens, male, cannot be a full-fledged man, if he has not completed the course of a young fighter and did not live in a purely male team.
And the "strengthening" of psychological selection is a good reason for the "excuse"
from military service. It is very difficult to check the objectivity of a psychologist, unlike other members of the medical board. Psychologists themselves sometimes arouse suspicion of their adequacy.

[ada]

A psychologist is a full-time position in VK and he works constantly.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Seryoga64

It seems like they don't wash the floor in the barracks either, they don't go to the kitchen in an outfit.

I asked my nephew what they were doing, what they were doing, he said in winter they removed the snow, he served on Sakhalin so there was enough snow ...

[konstantin68]

A man is raised by women from birth. A mother, a kindergarten teacher, a school teacher, even at birth, the first person is a woman, a midwife or a sister. In short, you get the idea. And by the age of 18 he entered a male society. And many are simply not ready for this. Well, the virtual world surrounding the teenager, as described above, only multiplies the dissonance. Fortunately, they are now trying to revive the system of pre-university military education. The guys from Suvorov, Nakhimov and cadets are stronger in this sense.

[Konnick]

And by the age of 18 he entered a male society. And many are simply not ready for this. Well, the virtual world surrounding the teenager, as described above, only multiplies the dissonance. Fortunately, they are now trying to revive the system of pre-university military education. The guys from Suvorov, Nakhimov and cadets are stronger in this sense.

The guys from the Suvor people just get out of the greenhouse conditions into the "wild street" regime, so they are just not ready to work with gopniks and other school-street punks, they get lost, and the guys, "brought up" by women teachers, begin to build incubators, former suvors who do not know the laws of the street. A real man is brought up by the street and sports, but not by the hothouse barracks relations in the Suvorov schools, under the supervision of warrant officers.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do not write any nonsense, from the Suvorov schools for the most part went to military schools and became officers.

[Konnick]

Do not write any nonsense, from the Suvorov schools for the most part went to military schools and became officers.

And I'm just talking about such officers who have not seen real life, but all in greenhouse barracks and who shift their direct responsibilities to old-timers, since they themselves are like calves and are afraid to end up in the soldiers' barracks, they are the elite.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There are no greenhouse barracks, especially 30-40 years ago there were none.

[Konnick]

There are no greenhouse barracks, especially more than 30-40 years ago they did not exist.

Are you a Suvorovite?
And where do the Suvors live? And what about the cadets? You do not equate a cadet's barracks with a soldier's, where there may be soldiers with a criminal record or multiple drives.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is a difference, and not small, but to call the conditions of the barracks hothouse, albeit Suvorov's, is clearly too much.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Konnick

The guys from the Suvor people just get out of the greenhouse conditions into the "wild street" regime, so they are just not ready to work with gopniks and other school-street punks, they get lost, and the guys, "brought up" by women teachers, begin to build incubator, former suvors,

You saw it somewhere, heard it, or so, just to write? Just curious to know.

[Alanart]

I remember, I remember, I had a chance to look into the military enlistment office, eights and nines, one seven and two for sincerity (well, or something similar). It's a pity, there were no conclusions about professional suitability based on such results, well, or I did not find it, there was little time;)))) And it would be very interesting to see where pathological nonsense with a good mind and other things are suitable, what tests reveal there, in the structure of the RF Armed Forces;))

[Konnick]

It would be very interesting to see where pathological liars with a good mindset and other things are suitable, what tests reveal there, in the structure of the RF Armed Forces;))

I remembered my medical examination at the military registration and enlistment office. A woman psychiatrist asked standard questions, such as what is the difference between a tree and a pillar, so I began to explain this "stupid" if she does not understand, and with phrases from "War and Peace", remember, they taught about the oak with Bolkonsky, by heart. The psychiatrist tensed, it became even more "difficult" to ask questions, I fantasized further, in the end she saw through me, asked, "Is it an excellent student?"
So I split.
And at the commission they began to scare me, if you don't go to enroll in Ryazan, in the school, then we will send you to Chukotka

[Alex66]

But who is responsible for mistakes in the selection of recruits? The summoned psycho or the patient must be answered by the military commissar and the doctors, and so selection is a fiction if there is a plan for conscription. Military service should be not only an honorable but also a lucrative duty. Near Tagil, two conscripts of the unit commander were killed in retirement and without benefits let him hunch up to 65 years.

[taiga2018]

Quote: Konnick

If earlier a healthy collective farm guy, having received a sergeant, took out his village envy on young urban

In the army, it never happened that the villagers were against the urban and vice versa, everything was against the Muscovites, but this is a separate topic ...

Quote: Konnick

now, feeling their inferiority in money, some couple of Dag from the aul build a platoon and appoint a bribe from the rich Russian Buratino, as in the days of the Mongol yoke

Well, if a couple of dags can build a whole platoon of Russian guys, then no new system of professional selection will help here ...

[Konnick]

In the army, it never happened that the villagers were against the urban and vice versa, everything was against the Muscovites, but this is a separate topic ...

I'm talking about the Soviet Army, not the current one, with fierce envy of Muscovites.

[culinary]

Quote: Konnick

In the army, it never happened that the villagers were against the urban and vice versa, everything was against the Muscovites, but this is a separate topic ...

I'm talking about the Soviet Army, not the current one, with fierce envy of Muscovites.

As my company commander, Major Potapenko, said: there are three nationalities in the army - Russians, non-Russians and Muscovites ...
1986 year.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Konnick

In the army, it never happened that the villagers were against the urban and vice versa, everything was against the Muscovites, but this is a separate topic ...

I'm talking about the Soviet Army, not the current one, with fierce envy of Muscovites.

This is where you saw the envy of Muscovites in the SA? Suspicion suggests itself, sorry that you yourself did not serve (value judgment, if that). For in our country most of them were called "balls" because of their poor adaptation to the conditions of service. I took one such "room" for myself - well, like a batman - so that they would be flattened less. From the capitals, regional centers and port cities, they generally tried not to take from us, as unreliable, so to speak. But there was no envy.

[Konnick]

... I took one such "room" for myself - well, like a batman - so that they would be flattened less. From the capitals, regional centers and port cities, they generally tried not to take from us, as unreliable, so to speak. But there was no envy.

And why did they flatten the boot? Benefactor....

[Doliva63]

Quote: Konnick

... I took one such "room" for myself - well, like a batman - so that they would be flattened less. From the capitals, regional centers and port cities, they generally tried not to take from us, as unreliable, so to speak. But there was no envy.

And why did they flatten the boot? Benefactor....

In fact, they "flattened" everyone. Just to make my mom's pies go faster. There were more Muscovites, because it was more difficult. But the return was greater - after all, intellectually they were cooler than many.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Nowhere and never were all against Muscovites, there is no need to multiply idiocy and feed readers with ridiculous tales.

[Konnick]

Well, if a couple of dags can build a whole platoon of Russian guys, then no new system of professional selection will help here ...

Do you understand what this psychological question is? Most Caucasians do not understand what the consequences can be for their actions. Russians assess the consequences of their actions. when a small dog tries to bite, it is better to leave her, suddenly she is mad. The Russians will fight, and then make up., Caucasians do not have this channel, even at sports competitions they do not know how to lose. If you mess with them, then you need to kill, otherwise he can shiban from around the corner with a brick. If the Caucasians were outlawed in the army, they would not be seen in the army. In general, it is necessary to resume the practice of not taking foreigners into the army.

[Nexcom]

otherwise, he may shiban with a brick from around the corner.

In the training, a Caucasian daytime sergeant from a permanent staff inflicted three penetrating wounds in the chest for being sent to wash the toilet.
The sergeant survived. The Caucasian went to the disbat. 89 years old.

PS You were boiling hellish. Thank God not everything happened in our unit. I'm not talking for the sake of horror stories, the case is real. I support the above written by Konnick

[Nexcom]

In the army, it never happened that the villagers were against the urban and vice versa, everything was against the Muscovites, but this is a separate topic ...

I confirm that in our school they didn't like the Masque either.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You didn't have Tashkent and Baku, so you lost touch with reality. And they didn't like Muscovites, some comrades from Ukraine. So, please do not be misled.

[Nexcom]

We didn't have it in our unit. There were many Kazakhs and Ukrainians. The "Chinese" shelves (as we called SMEs) were full. But not in the indicative-statutory company 1 (not the "Chinese") 19 SMEs - a contingent was specially selected there. I am not misleading you - as it was and I say so.
And yet, I am from the Urals and not from the Ukraine. And we in the Urals do not like Moscow people either.

PS I did not lose anything - I knew perfectly well what was going on in the "Chinese" shelves. The case I described above just happened in one of the "Chinese" SMEs.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Nobody in Moscow is forcing and did not force to love then. Muscovites certainly did not pose a problem, and I find it inappropriate and harmful to inflate such dislike from scratch.

[Nexcom]

Muscovites were really disliked - they were treated more than coolly. Nobody inflated anything on purpose - it just happened. Indeed, Muscovites did not bring any particular problems - let's say, no more than other native speakers of Russian. Problems have always been from Caucasians, who constantly tried to arrange a showdown with the involvement of Caucasians (fellow countrymen) on their side, even from other divisions.

[APASUS]

The system has led to the degradation of the population. Look who are the heroes of the youth now! What the media are now showing, where are the younger generation leading.
I have been working with people for many years and now there is only one requirement for the recruitment of personnel (the requirements have fallen below the level) - a person must be adequate.

[iouris]

It turns out that everything is very bad.

[st2st]

Until the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation sets the service bar at 2 years, there will be no sense. My son came from the Black Sea Fleet


for demobilization. Dad, we don't export, he tells me. The kid served on the "Ladny"

[Radical]

Quote: Finches

I want to frankly admit that the morale and psychological stability, the ability to find a way out of various life situations on your own (without the help of adults and the Internet), the ability to make an adequate and correct decision ... today's recruit is an order of magnitude worse than it was 20 years ago! New reality - digital economy, remote reality, virtual recruit ...

What a "fresh" thought!

[ada]

For high-quality work, even with a new, albeit with an old system of professional psychological selection with recruits and candidates entering the educational institutions of the Ministry of Defense, entering military service under a contract, who are in the reserve, specialists are needed and in sufficient numbers, staffing with equipment, communication means and provision of premises , which is regulated by the very order of work. And for the VC of cities classified as civil defense groups, I would also provide for the provision for movement during evacuation measures. We also need a constant process of professional development and exchange of experience. I worked a little in VK in the recruiting office for the position of an assistant to the non-governmental organization in 2013 - 2014 with a salary of 7-plus-tr. The "psychos" had a slightly higher salary, but these were mostly women who had no length of service, and, accordingly, the salary was not high. Who can be found for such a salary? And for most of the civilian personnel of the Defense Ministry, the payment situation is no better. What can you expect here? Despite the fact that the amount of work on the staff on organizational documents there is such that you can generally live in the workplace - no one ever completely fulfills it, which is generally typical for all structures of the Ministry of Defense! And the lack of means of communication and information processing of the required level and security is generally a scourge. They have been deprived of transport for a long time. And they have a poor idea of ​​the system of work of conscription offices in wartime and in the military command, not to mention the VC. They always say to me - "What are you doing, do not do nonsense, there will be no war!" And then what about the fact that I and my friends and comrades almost all fought somewhere, and not only individual servicemen, but also units, groups, and even now they are fighting. Will there be no war? Exactly?