"Larchinka-MD": Russian Su-57 fighter will receive a new hypersonic missile

The Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57 will receive a new hypersonic missile. The Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) is developing the new ammunition.

Russian developers of hypersonic weapons are implementing a new project. The work is being carried out within the framework of the Larchinka-MD R&D project. Today, the product is at the stage of prototyping, flight tests have not yet begun. According to reports, work on the rocket started in 2019. The lead developer is KTRV, the development of a ramjet rocket engine is being carried out by the Soyuz TMKB (Turaevskoe Machine-Building Design Bureau). It is known that the rocket will be equipped with an engine designated "item 70". The characteristics of the rocket have not yet been disclosed, it is assumed that its speed will be "above Mach 5".

As they say "News", citing military sources, the new hypersonic missile will enter the arsenal of Su-57 fighters as an anti-ship missile designed to replace the Kh-31. As follows from the publication, this is not official information; completely different options for using the new rocket are possible. At the same time, the military department confirms the development of a hypersonic ammunition for the Su-57. According to the military, the work is at the stage of ground testing and flights with mass-dimensional models.

Note that earlier it was reported about the development of another hypersonic missile for the Russian military aviation, the work is being carried out within the framework of the Gremlin ROC. The characteristics of the Gremlin are not disclosed, it is known that the missile is smaller in size than the previously developed hypersonic Dagger. The small size of the new missile will make it possible to use it not only from MiG-31 bombers and interceptors, but also from Su-57, Su-35 and Su-30SM fighters. It is assumed that the range of the missile will be up to 1,5 thousand km, and the hypersonic speed will be equal to 6 Mach.

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[Alien From]

If the MO gets into service, that's great. But the name, as always, is on top

[serg.shishkov2015]

It's great with the names! But to the OCD on the armored personnel carrier cipher * Cockroach * is far away!

[Grandfather]

«

Larva-MD "

that something like that ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Alien From

But the name, as always, is on top

It is better to give names that English-speaking spies cannot pronounce.

[neri73-r]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: Alien From

But the name, as always, is on top

It is better to give names that English-speaking spies cannot pronounce.

They usually give their names.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: neri73-r

They usually give their names.

Well then, journalists will improve their language skills, one benefit. And then after the introduction of the Unified State Exam, from half of the content in the media space, blood comes from the eyes and ears.
Just yesterday I listened as one reviewer said four times "take off-strip ", instead of take off-landing

[Orange bigg]

Journalists who are illiterate are simply awful. Another interesting piece of news: I must say right away that I cast doubt on the assumption that the newest modification of the Tu-22M3M will carry the Dagger and Zircon. This is technically impossible in the case of the Dagger, since the carrier aircraft for launching this rocket must accelerate, since only the MiG-31K can do it and is unlikely in the case of Zircon, since Gremlin and X-95 are being developed for aviation, and the Zircon is a sea-based missile.

... For the first time, NATO fighters intercepted the latest version of the domestic long-range bomber Tu-22M3, which will carry a hypersonic aeroballistic missile.

The above image shows the Russian Tu-22M3 bomber, which has a guide in the lower part for launching a large enough missile. Given the purpose of this bomber, we are talking about a hypersonic missile, but taking into account the data that appeared earlier, the Tu-22M3 will be armed with Zircon missiles.

In favor of the version that at the moment we are talking about a prototype, says the design of the bomber, the lack of painting, etc.

https://avia.pro/news/istrebiteli-nato-perehvatili-prototip-rossiyskogo-bombardirovshchika-vooruzhaemogo

[And Us Rat]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Another interesting piece of news.

I would still go for specifics from more reliable sources than avia.pro. Or at least from several independent ones (without copy-paste).
The very fact that a crude laboratory sample was put on display to a potential adversary raises a lot of questions. Why didn't you give me the drawings right away?
This is either a mediocre failure of those responsible for secrecy, or an immeasurable performance, misinformation.
It is necessary to follow the development of events, and then draw conclusions.

[Alex777]

avia.pro

avia.pro battles between Iran and Azerbaijan were recently reported. That is another edition.

[Peak]

Quote: Alex777

avia.pro

avia.pro battles between Iran and Azerbaijan were recently reported. That is another edition.

They say Ukrainian edition , with all that it implies ...

[Reserve buildbat]

So in the photo it looks like multi-position bomb racks. There are almost 22 of them on the Tu-3M3 under the belly. 9 FAB-500TS per piece.

[vkl.47]

So it will fit into the "hunter" too.

[rocket757]

Small ... except to aim at the wheelhouse, at the radar.
It is also an option, you can blind a combat unit, BUT, against a group of ships, when they are in network interaction, this may not be critical for its combat capabilities.
By the way, an interesting question. Is it possible to intercept weapons control from a nearby ship ???
Does such a scheme take place now?

[lucul]

Small ... except to aim at the wheelhouse, at the radar.

Well, here's an introduction - a rocket flew into the Ticonderoga's radar. After that, the ship is a full-fledged combat unit? )))

[rocket757]

And what is this introductory, for what.
Can one missile disable all the intelligence / control systems of a large ship?
Something after all can remain workable. What is the state of all other systems and can they function effectively with the loss of some of the functions and capabilities of combat control systems?
I'm asking ...

[Alex777]

Quote: lucul

Well, here's an introduction - a rocket flew into the Ticonderoga's radar. After that, the ship is a full-fledged combat unit? )))

With all due respect, you used an unfortunate example.
Specifically, Ticonderoga has spaced radar blades.

See p. 5.
So the cruiser will remain combat-ready.
The Berks have a more complicated situation with this.
All canvases are in one control room.

[EMMM]

You talk like the old retired admirals.
If this fool flies at a speed of 5-7M, then with a course angle of entry into the base of the superstructure of 30-45 degrees from any side and a pitch of 20-30 degrees. the body will simply fall apart even without a warhead.

[Alex777]

What was the question, that was the answer.

Quote: EMMM

If this fool flies at a speed of 5-7M

This is the speed at an altitude of 30-40 km.
Nobody knows what it is in front of the target.

[EMMM]

Not much less, I guess, otherwise it will be destroyed on the way to the target.

[Alex777]

Quote: EMMM

I guess not much less

Much less. The question is how much?
At sea level, 3M is a lot.
And the size of the rocket is decent, and the seeker should work.

[hrych]

There is such a magic word as SBCH. It is compact, does not require flying into the side, and strikes a group target. In the case of hypersonic speed, the kinetic impact itself is enormous. Force is equal to mass per acceleration. Less mass, but more speed and impact force of the baby will be equal, or even more than that of a huge supersonic rocket. Not to mention the subsonic one.

[Shahno]

So, will you have to forget about stealth?

[hrych]

Will it help the dead?

[rocket757]

It can be assumed that the rocket is intended for the internal compartments of the carrier ... which means there will be limitations in size, respectively, and everything else.

[Shahno]

It is unlikely, judging by the existing design solutions (by the way, even these solutions do not exist in practice).

[rocket757]

There is no answer to the question yet ... what grounds for substantive disputes are not clear.
Maybe you should wait until the parameters of the product are known?

[Bez 310]

Quote: rocket757

Small ... except to aim at the wheelhouse, at the radar.
Also an option, to blind a combat unit, you can

Where do you get this?
Or maybe this is your personal knowledge?

[rocket757]

If you are an expert in the topic, explain whether it was worth it ...

[Bez 310]

Quote: rocket757

If you are an expert in the topic

Yes, I am an expert in the destruction of NK by aviation anti-ship missiles,
but I don't know what needs to be explained.
Okay, I'll explain how I understood - do not write comments
to questions in which you do not understand anything!
And now, in essence - the radar mark of the NK on the screen of the aviation
The radar looks like a light dash several MM in size,
so it is impossible to aim at a specific element
NK designs.
For the curious:
NK - surface ship
Anti-ship missile
RL mark - radar mark
Radar - radar station
MM - millimeter (in this case, an option is possible
- nautical mile).

[rocket757]

Then, for your information ... the antenna radiating field is always allocated when it is actively working / radiating, on approach, i.e. close, it acquires a clear outline with a conditional center - "bull's-eye" ... to aim the striking element practically in the bull's-eye, it is possible, if the ammunition is controlled, there is a modern seeker.
By the way, the method is not new, the Yankees used this way back in the last century, even without digital control centers.
Now, the ammunition is much smarter !!!
I am not suggesting that it will be so ... one of the possible options, nothing more.

[Bez 310]

Quote: rocket757

Antenna radiating field is always allocated when it is actively working / radiating, on approach, i.e. close, it acquires clear outlines with a conditional center - "bull's-eye"

Sorry, but I can't take it anymore ...

[Mole13]

Yes, I'm an extermination specialist

... battle eclairs and nuclear fire water sitting on the couch. You are already so confused in your testimony that I would advise you to take notes in the margins. Either you participated as a pilot in tank battles on the Kolchak, ugh, Ukrainian fronts, then you served a little in the RF Armed Forces, although before that you claimed that you had served in the Russian naval aviation all your life. Who are you, mister x or igrek, how are you? ..

[Bez 310]

Quote: Mole13

Who you are

Why do you need to know this? I have no desire to get acquainted
with strangers, it's useless.
But still, show me where I claimed to be a pilot,
or that I took part in "tank battles", or that I
"Have you served in the naval aviation of the Russian Federation all your life?"
There is no such aircraft either ... Enough already inventing fables,
and speaking directly, stop lying!
It seems that you do not understand what you read ...

[Mole13]

Are you a pilot or not? Now, once and for all, answer directly and honestly. And what is the length of service in the RF Armed Forces.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Mole13

Are you a pilot or not?

No, I'm not a pilot! I am a military pensioner.
General calendar length of service in the sea
aviation of the USSR and the Russian Federation - 30 years.
Why do you need this information?

[Mole13]

Quote: Bez 310

I was on the bridge, and near Novosvetlovka at the time of tank
fights

You seem to come from naval aviation, what were you doing in the Novosvetlovka area in those days? Off course and looking for a sea lighthouse?

You never answered my question. How did you get there in the 14th year? In short ...

[Bez 310]

Quote: Mole13

You never answered my question.

Why should I answer you?
What is one reason?
And in general, for personal questions there is
system of private messages.

[EMMM]

Times have changed.
You entered the subway and you are under a hood.
Intelligent systems for processing visual and sound information, miniaturization of observation means have led to the fact that what you are writing about is already far outdated.
The rocket's automatics are capable of recognizing many details that have not been dreamed of for a dozen years ago.
Only now, thank God, that all these conversations so far remain just a cover for the embezzled officials who are launching new projects of super weapons for a non-existent carrier.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: rocket757

Small ... except to aim at the wheelhouse, at the radar.

Ek = m * V ^ 2 / 2
if the parameters are approximately the same as that of the Kh-31, the mass of the rocket, after running out of fuel = 389 kg
then Ek = 389 * (5 * 340) ^ 2/2 = 562,1 MJ
1 kilogram of TNT = 4,184⋅MJ
at such a speed when the ship is hit, energy (heat) will be released, as from 134 kg of TNT
+ (if warhead) as in the Ch-31 still under 100 kg of HE.
Decently.

Quote: rocket757

this may not be critical for its combat capabilities.

Exocet with 50 kg of hexolite in 165 kg, its own starting weight of 100 kg more than the X-31, turned the frigate "Stark" (FFG-31) (and also the British destroyer URO "Sheffield", container ship "Atlantic conveyor")

Exocet has a speed of 0,93M

Quote: rocket757

By the way, an interesting question. Is it possible to intercept weapons control from a neighboring ship ??? Is such a scheme taking place now?

it's like?
fit between two hostile ships, open the years, jam the transmitter, send a "gag" to the receiver?

[rocket757]

It's just a matter of whether there is a possibility of taking over control between ALLIED SHIPS, i.e. between YOURS.
Written by you ... past the question asked by me.
On the subject of destruction, it is quite understandable ... the question is, what are the performance characteristics of the new ammunition, if it is created for the internal compartments of the carrier ???
Interestingly, whoever can tell / remember about the incident at the Pacific Fleet, when, during the training firing of missile boats, a training missile hit such a boat ??? no warhead, kinetic impact and fuel. What were the consequences?

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: rocket757

It's just a matter of whether there is a possibility of taking over control between ALLIED SHIPS, i.e. between YOURS.

if not via satellite: stand between them (if you can: surfaced surface, deployed antennas) and intercept. Who's stopping you if you decide to end your life so quickly?

if through the satellite it is necessary to "hang" m / y satellite and transmitter (or receiver)
you can "catch" the side lobes and relay them to the receiver, but they will immediately notice it.

Quote: rocket757

Written by you ... past the question asked by me.

is it?
============
but even if you intercept ... how to decrypt and replace with your own?

The system uses a two-stage concatenated correcting coding of information using the so-called. internal and external correction codes. As the internal correcting code, the PRS (M-ary code, where M = 32) is used, the cyclic shift value of which carries 5 bits of information, i.e. transmission of five binary symbols of information per one basic pulse is provided. To further increase the noise immunity and reliability of the transmitted information, an additional special combination of symbols is used that forms an external code. The (31,15) Reed-Solomon code is used as the external correcting code. The Reed-Solomon code encodes the characters of the 32-element alphabet, that is, the five-element blocks of the original binary information. The codeword of the Reed-Solomon code consists of 31 such symbols, i.e. are a sequence of characters of a 32-ary internal code, recoded according to a certain law, including 15 information and 16 check characters. In this case, in accordance with the coding method selected in advance, a set of 15 check symbols is added to the information word consisting of 14 information symbols (only 16 symbols carry the information load, and the last symbol is used to check them for parity). In this case, any combination of the number of errors C and the number of erasures E that satisfies the relation 2C + E £ 16 is always correctly corrected.

Quote: rocket757

the question is, what are the performance characteristics of the new ammunition, if it is created for the internal compartments of the carrier ???

for this now you can and the time to do it yourself ...

Quote: rocket757

about the incident at the Pacific Fleet, when, during the firing practice of missile boats, a training missile hit such a boat ???

The R-42 missile boat launched the RM-15M target missile, and the R-87 launched the RM-15 target missile?
The crew of the "Osa-M" could not shoot down the RM-15, did it only slightly change its course and hit the superstructure of the MRK?
m = 2573kg- 0,7 (214+ 860) kg-490kg (starting booster) = 1331,2 kg
Ek = 1331,2 * 320 * 320/2 = 68,157 MJ

Quote: ja-ja-vw

1 kilogram of TNT = 4,184⋅MJ

it's all the same that 16,29 kg of TNT went bang (except for the Q fuel components)
speed is more important, because how is its square
Shl. maybe wrong where
Full displacement of the ship - 700 t, standard - 610 t; length - 59,3 m, width - 11,8 m, draft - 3 m
Aluminum-magnesium alloys have done more damage

[rocket757]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

is it?

Again, not about that ...
He offered to consider the issue of interaction between ships of a combat order, for example. Ships belong to the same fleet, are located nearby ... i.e. By definition, they have no problems with ciphers and other things, the ships are linked into one "network" structure.
On one of the ships, the main antenna is damaged, for example, some other control systems, BUT, weapons, missiles, for example, are combat-ready, they just have nothing to give target designation !!!!
Can the missiles be directed from another ship to a ship damaged by a rocket of low power !!!
Here is my question.
Near the enemy, who climbs somewhere there, NO.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: rocket757

Again, not about that ...

well, I understand that
I mean the brake.

Quote: rocket757

Can the missiles be directed from another ship to a ship damaged by a rocket of low power !!!

I think no.
the time of flags and semaphores has passed.
How will the ACS receive target designation?
OXODE works, but how to transfer data to it? Manually enter from the remote control?
The target will move out of the attack square
Here, on my "" I understand "only reliable

[rocket757]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

The R-42 missile boat launched the RM-15M target missile, and the R-87 launched the RM-15 target missile?

Probably this incident was meant. I never heard of such a thing in the navy ... but on land, there were a lot of things, including. equipment was destroyed as training ammunition, there were casualties.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: rocket757

, incl. equipment was destroyed as training ammunition, there were casualties.

Yeah. recently (relatively) and the helicopter has been off, crumbled ...

[Barberry25]

because the fighter and the missile compartment there is not very big ..

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

SU-57 flies, sees - a NATO ship. And I'll postpone the dike for him Larva-MD ...

[lucul]

SU-57 flies, sees - NATO ship

Given the combat radius of the Su-57, this Larva will be a formidable weapon.

[Cosm22]

And when will the actual Su-57 be in the army?

[Snail N9]

Yes .. - the title. And where, then, is the "doll"? And will there be a "goose"?

[Vadim237]

Concern Tactical missile weapons will make and put into production like everything else before this development.

[prior]

The work is being carried out within the framework of the ROC "Larchinka-MD" ....... As follows from the publication, when the "butterfly" will appear from the "Larva" is unknown, this is not official information, completely different options are possible

[knn54]

-about the development of ANOTHER hypersonic missile.
It's good when there is a choice. And a worthy response to the F-35 with their YaB. Especially if the warhead of the missile is "vigorous".

[voyaka uh]

"It is known that an engine will be installed on the rocket, which received the designation" product 70 "
(from article)
----
So, after all, design has begun
hypersonic ramjet engine.

[lucul]

So, after all, design has begun
hypersonic ramjet engine

As always, you are mistaken - a whole RANGE of hypersonic ramjet engines has been launched, because the hypersonic ramjet engine was regularly tested on the Zircon.)))

[voyaka uh]

"The development of a ramjet rocket engine is being carried out by the Soyuz TMKB (Turaevskoye machine-building design bureau). It is known that an engine will be installed on the rocket, which has received the designation" product 70 "" ///
----
The article says about one ramjet rocket engine: "product 70".
The rocket will probably be launched without a launch container, and everyone will see its appearance.
Given that no one has ever seen the Zircon rocket externally (only the container was seen), the new rocket will clarify a lot.

[lucul]

then the new rocket will clarify a lot.

While you will "clarify a lot", ours will already design the antigrav))))

[mark1]

Quote: voyaka uh

Given that no one has ever seen the Zircon rocket externally (only the container was seen), the new rocket will clarify a lot.

Oh, I see, I see! - look forward to!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voyaka uh

The article says about one ramjet rocket engine: "product 70".

You are not very precise ... In addition to "item 70" intended for "Gremlin" and "larva", TMKB is developing "item 71" (possibly based on "item 70" ...) for "Sharpness" ... For " Zircon "and X-95 developed a different engine ... Well. let's call it, for example, "product XXX" ...

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey)
Yesterday, 11: 13
N ... Considering that no one has ever seen the Zircon rocket externally (only seen the container)

if YOU haven't seen this does not mean that they saw THOSE WHO IS ALLOWED. The time will come, and the Jews will be shown. From afar. May be. Not sure. Pi.si. but for you, and the container is enough to see.

[Bez 310]

Quote: lucul

hypersonic ramjet engine was regularly tested on Zircon

It's a question of questions ...

[Shahno]

This is one of the questions ... For which I have already received a dozen minuses and not a single sound thought

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voyaka uh

So, after all, design has begun
hypersonic ramjet engine

And what do you mean by ...: "hypersonic ramjet engine"? There are different "nuances" here!

[Nikolaevich I]

The article has distributed the "larva" and "gremlin" to the bottom of the barrel ... and then where will the X-95 and "spiciness" be? The people want to know!

[prior]

One thing is clear from the article, aviation will largely "feed" on "Larvae".

[Polite Moose]

Quote: prior

aviation will largely "feed" on "Maggots".

Well, Duc, birds, after all.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: prior

One thing is clear from the article, aviation will largely "feed" on "Larvae".

Rather, it will feed the especially hungry with "Larvae" ...

[zwlad]

The work is being carried out within the framework of the Lichinka-MD R&D project

With a hangover chtol the code was given to work?

work is being carried out within the framework of the Gremlin ROC

Well, definitely with a hangover!

[Ross xnumx]

The characteristics are impressive. Success in development!

[Jacket in stock]

Many rockets, good and different.
Apparently on Zircon they worked out the technology of a hypersonic engine and control systems, and then mold the necessary GOS and warhead to it, here's a new rocket for you.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Apparently on Zircon they worked out the technology of a hypersonic engine and control systems, and then mold the necessary GOS and warhead to it, here's a new rocket for you

For the "larva" (ugh, God forgive me ...), "gremlin", "sharpness", "their own" engine is being developed ... it is likely that the developers of "zircon" shared the necessary technological information with TMKB within the "limits of what is permitted"! But obviously ... the "zircon" has its own "product"! And yet ... it is known that the GOS will be installed on the above-mentioned missiles, designed at a speed of 5-6M ... "Zircon" can fly at speeds of 8-9M ... here we can assume somewhat different processes of "plasma formation", what can affect the type, constructive construction of the GOS "Zircon" ...

[svp67]

The "hypersonic arms" race is gaining momentum

[iouris]

They are serving breakfast again. And the children are not going to school and institutes for the third year already. And if they do, they learn nothing.

[bk316]

... And the children are not going to school and institutes for the third year already.

Did not understand. Why don't your children go to school for 3 years? It is necessary for the guardianship authorities to pay attention to you ...

[riwas]

Curious. The USA gives our technology its own names, say, less beautiful ones. This is done on purpose in order to expose it in an unfavorable light, in the eyes of its soldiers. So what nickname will come up with "Larva".

[sen]

The letters "MD" in the name of the missile most likely indicate that it will be short-range. Perhaps we are talking about an anti-ship ammunition for operational-tactical aviation with a range of several hundred kilometers.

[123456789]

Quote: hrych

In the case of hypersonic speed, the kinetic impact itself is enormous. Force is equal to mass per acceleration.

The amount of kinetic energy depends on body mass m (kg) and speed v (m / s). The kinetic energy of a body is equal to half of the product of mass by the square of speed.
Ek = mυ2 / 2
Physics 7 class

[Freedim]

Interestingly, Americans are familiar with the concept of "postponing the larva", which is different from the entomological one?

[Ros 56]

The main thing is that this larva eats the foe from the inside.