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The Age of Aging: A World In Which Global Warming Will Become Flowers

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Happy humanity



No matter what they say, we began to live better. Not only in a global sense, but also in Russian reality. At least, this is evidenced by the natural indicators of fertility, life expectancy and mortality.

To simplify it as much as possible, then a considerable proportion of the world's population began to die less often, live longer and reproduce less. And every year more and more of humanity enters the same "demographic transition", when each couple reproduces no more than 2 children.

Now these countries include the states of Europe, Russia, North America, East Asia and most of South America. Demographers assure that Iran and Bangladesh are close to a demographic transition. Of course, it is too early to ring the bell with the call "multiply immediately" - there are many countries in the world that are very far from the equalization of birth and death rates.

For example, the countries of Africa, for which medicine in the XX century, no matter how blasphemous it sounds, brought a lot of problems. Child mortality has dropped sharply, and no one has expanded the productive potential of agricultural land. As a result, we are seeing waves of hunger and epidemics in sub-Saharan countries. Previously, the high mortality rate somehow equalized the weak food base, and the famine was less severe.

Following the laws of development, in the end, the countries of Africa will also enter the post-industrial stage. One of the most important "bonuses" of this will be the rapid aging of the population.

The rise in the average age of the world's inhabitants will radically change the way of life of people. For example, the profession of a doctor will become more in demand than ever. We are still seeing this in connection with the COVID-19 pandemic, and in 30-40 years, medical specialties will turn out to be a real mainstream.

A couple of years ago, the chief of the American division of Siemens, Eric Spiegel, said:

“As the population grows older, we must invest more in the prevention, early detection and treatment of all serious diseases such as diabetes, dementia and Alzheimer's disease, heart disease or cancer. Given the need to reduce costs per patient, we believe that the need to reduce costs will spur the development of technology. ”

Billions of dollars will be redistributed to the service and treatment of the elderly.

And here is the second paradox - the more we care about the health of the elderly, the faster life expectancy grows.

But medicine alone is indispensable here.

The global aging of the population, when the proportion of only 80-year-olds in the world will quadruple by 2050, requires a lot of labor. First of all, the nurses. And this is with a serious crisis in the labor market. The elderly will distract the mass of workers who could build the economy, ensure GDP growth and scientific and technological progress. Moreover, you will have to look after not just physically frail old people, but people with deep senile dementia.

Bloomberg states doomily:

“Forty percent of Americans age 85 and older have Alzheimer's. Seventy percent of those over 65 will need care at some point. The grim reality is that the more people live longer, the more they need constant care. ”

Thus, in addition to the costs of retirement benefits for the elderly, society will have to pay for the services of nurses.

Someone will probably remember the robots that manufacturers have been advertising to us for decades.

But it's 2021, and of the most adequate robot assistants, we see only an electronic dog from Boston Dynamics. Actually, and from him a little sense, if you do not take into account the choreographic abilities. Therefore, in the foreseeable future, we will not see full-fledged robotic nurses on the market. The only hope is for the complete automation of production lines that can free up millions of workers to care for the elderly.

An idyllic picture - yesterday the master was assembling the car, and tomorrow he went to work in a nursing home.

A considerable percentage of people do not need education above grades 8-9 at all. Why, if there is a career ahead of a nurse that requires a very modest set of competencies?

Now in the United States alone, the proportion of people over the age of 65 exceeds 15%, and every year the percentage will only grow. If you look completely beyond the horizon, then by 2100 every fourth inhabitant of the planet will be over the age of 65 years. A large proportion of these people will require almost round-the-clock care of professional nurses with a low level of education. It is unnecessary to talk about how this will affect the general cultural level of the population.

Exit paths


Of course, the main problem is not even the aging of humanity, but the low birth rate.

The greens are partly to blame for the promotion of moderate childbearing. Within the framework of this article, it is impossible not to mention with a kind word the efforts of the defenders of the world ecology. One of the points of the European strategy to reduce CO₂ emissions is to improve the education of women.

It would seem an excellent initiative - few will be against it, with the exception of completely orthodox societies?

However, ecologists view women's higher education exclusively as a tool to reduce the birth rate. A woman becomes, first of all, a highly skilled worker, and secondly (if not thirdly) - a mother. It's all about the capitalist mechanism of consumption, the growth of which cannot be suppressed otherwise than by reducing the population.

A decrease in consumption and population leads, in turn, to a decrease in greenhouse gas emissions. Such is the simple arithmetic from the enlightened West.

Economists estimate that the massive transition to expensive alternative energy entails even greater costs. And this is another "green bonus". It is becoming more expensive to live, which means that you will have to work harder. Given the constantly growing costs of an aging population, this does not at all stimulate people to reproduce.

In Europe, by the way, this is directly stimulated by the state. See how much a woman is paid for maternity leave, for example, in Spain? Just four months, and then either quit or look for a paid nursery.

This strategy is based on mass migration from third world countries. The rapidly shrinking population of the developed West will be replenished with guest workers who, among other things, will flee from the unbearable heat at home. It is predicted that in the coming decades, tens of millions of Indians will be forced to move to the north of the continent due to higher average annual temperatures. It is they who should become the very caregivers for the aging nations of the West.

But this is also a temporary phenomenon - in the end, the migrants will assimilate and stop giving birth to children.

Certain hopes can be pinned on the transformation of the very concept of "old age". Now young, according to the UN, you can call a 44-year-old man. So gracefully governments prepare us for the fact that we will have to work long and hard. For example, in Germany, by 2043, it will be possible to retire only for the 70th birthday.

Therefore, the old people in the future, no matter how they resist, will have to work for a long time, and little rest. The biggest challenge many economists see is finding ways to put the cognitive potential of older people back on track. The fact is that the body decays much faster than the brain. In many industries, elderly people will be forced to leave for lower-paid jobs only because of physical weakness. And when a person retires, his mental abilities are often not used properly - various hobby groups and literary lounges do not count.

An effective way is needed to transform the experience and mental potential of 60–70-year-olds into a driver of development. And, of course, this in no way cancels the old as the world call - "multiply"!
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 12 October 2021 15: 09
    +6
    Again nonsense .. The author apparently did not even try to study the statistics .. or maybe he did not master it ..
    No matter what they say, we began to live better. Not only in a global sense, but also in Russian reality. At least, this is evidenced by the natural indicators of fertility, life expectancy and mortality.

    It is not clear only .. why lay out an obvious lie? Although in the Russian Federation there are those who really began to live better .. and longer .. the author can be seen to belong to them .. but their statistical error.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 12 October 2021 16: 03
      +5
      ... the proportion of only 80-year-olds in the world will quadruple by 2050, requires a lot of hands. NSfirst of all, the caregivers.

      Can you hire many nurses for an average Russian pension?

      I think one can be ... if ten old men fold!

      The article is clearly not written about chic Russian realities. We just have to live up to retirement! Already an achievement.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 October 2021 21: 24
        +5
        .... And there are a lot of nurses ...

        Who knows what will happen next. Changes may occur such that many people want to work as caregivers - unskilled labor for a small fee.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 12 October 2021 16: 23
      +8
      All these horror stories do not concern us. Under the wise leadership of the guarantor and his nukers, not many of us pass the retirement age. Not to mention 80-90 .. And even more so - no one is going to provide them with any kind of service. It's not for nothing that we are in first place in Europe in mortality from covid - Putin's reform of medicine is working! And with such pensions, old people can only quietly talk about expensive medicines and nurses ..
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 12 October 2021 16: 34
      +20
      My mom is 71 years old. And I am very sorry that my father died in the summer.
      It's not hard for me to help my mother financially, to be with her on weekends, to do some kind of housework.
      And no statistics will prove to me that having living parents of old age is bad or economically unprofitable !!!!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 October 2021 11: 49
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        My mother is 71 years old ...... It's not hard for me to help my mother financially, to be with her on weekends, to do some kind of housework.
        And no statistics will prove to me that having living parents of old age is bad or economically unprofitable !!!!

        It's like that. My grandmother, a member of the CPSU, a party worker, died in December 2015 for 87 years ..... the world collapsed. I always believed that she will live to be 100 years old and will celebrate. Then I realized that the USSR no longer exists.
    4. ds205
      ds205 12 October 2021 16: 53
      +2
      We can ask you in return: what exactly has become "worse"?
    5. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 October 2021 19: 16
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      Although in the Russian Federation there are those who really began to live better .. and longer .. the author can be seen to belong to them .. but their statistical error.

      It has already been said several times that life expectancy in Russia has reached its historical maximum under Putin, you hate you, and not in your beloved USSR.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 12 October 2021 19: 40
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        It has already been said several times that life expectancy in Russia has reached its historical maximum under Putin, you hate you, and not in your beloved USSR.

        So the difference is ephemeral. Plus we all know how to trust in Russian statistics!

        However:
        ... In 1985, the average life expectancy in Russia was 71 years. And only 30 years later - after perestroika and the 90s - we returned to this figure again. And the rest of the world has already stepped over 80.

        Development does not stand still. If the USSR were now, life expectancy would be much higher.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 13 October 2021 13: 48
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          So the difference is ephemeral.

          some years.
          Quote: Stas157
          Plus we all know how to trust in Russian statistics

          let's talk about Soviet statistics.
          Quote: Stas157
          Would be the USSR now

          Which lagged behind the same European countries.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 13 October 2021 14: 20
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            some years.

            Come on! Go to the Internet:

            The real duration at the end of 2020 fell to 71,1 years (compared to 73,3 years in 2019). With this in mind, the forecast for 2021 has been revised. Now it is expected that the average life expectancy in Russia in 2021 will be 71,7 years.

            71 years old Karl! A penny in a penny, which was in the USSR 30-40 years ago!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 13 October 2021 16: 19
              -1
              Quote: Stas157
              A penny to a penny that was in the USSR
              Open the link (which you forgot to provide) and look
              However, the global pandemic has made adjustments to the proposed scenario.
              Source: https://migranturus.com/srednyaya-prodolzhitelnost-zhizni-v-rossii/

              And what was the life expectancy in the USSR when there were epidemics of cholera and typhus?
              1. Outsider V.
                Outsider V. 13 October 2021 22: 31
                -1
                What nonsense about the cholera and typhus epidemics in the USSR? Very quickly, the foci of cholera were localized, and this did not have a serious effect on life expectancy. There was a history of typhoid outbreaks during the war, but even there they coped quickly without a global impact on life expectancy.

                Indeed, there were massive diseases of cholera and typhus in 1918-1920, but then there was no USSR.

                Victim of the Unified State Exam / Soros / Svanidze / Rezun?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 14 October 2021 19: 32
                  0
                  Quote: By outsiders V.
                  What nonsense about the cholera and typhus epidemics in the USSR?

                  The last epidemic was already in 1970.
                  Quote: By outsiders V.
                  Very quickly, the foci of cholera were localized

                  Well, try to localize something in our time.
                  However, do not argue that changes in the life expectancy are associated with the disease.
                  1. Outsider V.
                    Outsider V. 15 October 2021 10: 55
                    0
                    Yes, I remember very well this cholera epidemic, several thousand sick, several dozen dead, quarantine, etc. Of course, there was an impact on the life expectancy, but negligible.

                    I will not say about 1916-1920, there is a different scale.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 15 October 2021 18: 26
                      0
                      Quote: By outsiders V.
                      Of course, the impact on the UOJ was, but negligible.

                      On the scale of the contaminated area? It is technically impossible to isolate COVID.
                      1. Outsider V.
                        Outsider V. 15 October 2021 20: 36
                        +1
                        I'm talking about cholera in the 1970s. I think that the impact (then) was negligible on the scale of the contaminated area.

                        Did the Chinese somehow manage to isolate COVID?
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 October 2021 06: 25
                        0
                        Quote: By outsiders V.
                        Did the Chinese somehow manage to isolate COVID?

                        I'm wondering how this is possible. Stop moving within the country completely? And how will it end? You can say whatever you want, but for some reason it doesn't work in all other countries.
    6. I do not care
      I do not care 12 October 2021 20: 55
      -1
      alternatively gifted person, perhaps you have a growth chart. would be glad to see it.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 13 October 2021 13: 49
        +2
        Quote: me by
        alternatively gifted person, perhaps you have a growth chart

        Read Alternatively Gifted Person
        https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2020/04/21/13057411.shtml
  2. Anton Koroviev
    Anton Koroviev 12 October 2021 20: 34
    -4
    [quote = Svarog] Again nonsense .. The author apparently did not even try to study the statistics .. but maybe he didn’t master it ..
    [quote] Whatever they say, but we began to live better. Not only in a global sense, but also in Russian reality. At least, this is evidenced by the natural indicators of fertility, life expectancy and mortality.
    [/ Quote]
    We began to live naturally better in the last 25 years, it is not clear why to produce, mainly bio-waste in the vastness of a great country.
  3. Usher
    Usher 13 October 2021 02: 17
    -3
    Quote: Svarog
    Again nonsense .. The author apparently did not even try to study the statistics .. or maybe he did not master it ..
    No matter what they say, we began to live better. Not only in a global sense, but also in Russian reality. At least, this is evidenced by the natural indicators of fertility, life expectancy and mortality.

    It is not clear only .. why lay out an obvious lie? Although in the Russian Federation there are those who really began to live better .. and longer .. the author can be seen to belong to them .. but their statistical error.

    What's worse? Seeing how many cars and apartments they buy, I don't think it's worse.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 October 2021 05: 14
      +1
      Quote: Usher
      What's worse? Seeing how many cars and apartments buy, I don't think it's worse.

      How many? Maybe you looked in the wrong place? They sell few new cars. Mostly used junk. And the apartments ... have you seen apartments of 8 square meters in Moscow? Selling very well!

      Why is it so bad? The answer on the surface is poverty.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 13 October 2021 08: 45
        +1
        there is a very high demand for apartments, in Sochi prices have doubled for apartments, a one-room apartment of 2-40 sq m costs about 50 million now
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 13 October 2021 09: 06
          +2
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          very high demand for apartments, we have in Sochi

          The key is Sochi... This is not some kind of Uryupinsk. There will always be demand. After all, not only local people rent apartments there. The whole country wants something of its own by the sea. And not only Armenia.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 13 October 2021 11: 06
            +2
            by the way, Armenia is already not enough)) what pleases, we always drove like this, but at such a pace it did not rise in price
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 13 October 2021 11: 11
              +2
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              by the way, Armenia is already not enough)) which pleases

              I, too, will not be upset at all!))
      2. Usher
        Usher 13 October 2021 22: 09
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Usher
        What's worse? Seeing how many cars and apartments buy, I don't think it's worse.

        How many? Maybe you looked in the wrong place? They sell few new cars. Mostly used junk. And the apartments ... have you seen apartments of 8 square meters in Moscow? Selling very well!

        Why is it so bad? The answer on the surface is poverty.

        What does this have to do with the 8 sqm apartment? Generally speaking. What are you giving me an example of extremes here? And not a fig do not buy trash.
  4. Alexander Maltsev
    Alexander Maltsev 13 October 2021 11: 09
    0
    "Life has become better, life has become happier!" (J.V. Stalin).
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 October 2021 15: 11
    +7
    The question, of course ... not not interesting, but important! How will we live and who will support us in old age ???
    There are more than enough answers, guesses, assumptions, and where the truth is buried in them, guess what.
    One thing is obvious / probably that there are not so many EMPLOYEES containing those who cannot work, have finished their career ... moreover, to rely on those who are used to poking their fingers here and there, and not to do BUSINESS , the production of material goods and everything necessary for human life ... somehow not ah !!! You will not be full of "numbers" alone, you need material, EATABLE, for example ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 12 October 2021 15: 19
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      The question, of course ... not not interesting, but important! How will we live and who will support us in old age ???

      This question would not exist .. if we had socialism .. firstly .. the population would grow, because they would give birth without fear .. secondly .. Russia is perhaps the richest country in the world in terms of natural resources .. and under socialism .. there would be a reason to pay pensions .. but considering that the population would grow, then this problem would not exist.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 October 2021 15: 29
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        This question would not exist ... if we had socialism.

        We have what IS.
        Now it is not necessary to regret the past, but to take care of the future.
        What it will be depends, first of all, on ourselves.
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 12 October 2021 15: 45
          +6
          What it will be depends, first of all, on ourselves.
          "Rescue of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves" smile
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 October 2021 15: 49
            +1
            We, so far, are not drowning, but, persistently, with the help of different to to to ... we are moving in the wrong direction.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 October 2021 12: 02
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Svarog
          This question would not exist ... if we had socialism.

          We have what IS ...
          hi hi good morning, Victor! Continuing the topic of nurses, I suppose that those retirees who are still able to work will try to work as nurses for the very old. Given the ongoing 7-year recession, for a small fee ..... I'm of course talking about big cities. As in the countryside, I don’t know.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 October 2021 15: 05
            +2
            In the village, everyone works as long as they can.
            They do what they can ... i.e. there is always a case, there would be someone to do all this.
            In general, everything is normal, familiar ...
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 12 October 2021 15: 31
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        . if we had socialism ... firstly ... the population would grow, as they would give birth without fear ...

        Duc passed already. Nifiga did not give birth.
        Fertility was only in backward regions with feudal or even tribal orders.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 October 2021 15: 53
          +4
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Nifiga did not give birth.

          The problems of an industrial society, the problems of concentration of the population in huge, incorrect conglomerations, began even then and how it has developed until now, we no longer know!
          We have many, many problems and it is not easy to solve them !!!
          By the way, most of our problems are the same as all the others, big, inert ... just like everywhere else!
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 12 October 2021 16: 50
          +4
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Duc passed already. Nifiga did not give birth.
          Fertility was only in backward regions with feudal or even tribal orders.

          What happened? We haven't even built socialism as the first stage of communism. It is the transition to socialism that will help to rectify the situation. Because it will help raise the standard of living even higher. We should not expect a strong rise in the birth rate, but we will have to get a plus. Under capitalism, however, only the import of migrants until the resource is completely depleted.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 12 October 2021 20: 03
            -1
            raise the standard of living even higher
            The higher the standard of living (Belgium, England), the lower the birth rate. For the birth rate to rise, the standard of living must be low (Bangladesh, Burundi).
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 12 October 2021 20: 40
              -4
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              raise the standard of living even higher
              The higher the standard of living (Belgium, England), the lower the birth rate. For the birth rate to rise, the standard of living must be low (Bangladesh, Burundi).

              Nonsense..the birth rate depends on the mentality and the standard of living .. Take a graph of the rise in oil prices and impose it on the birth rate in Russia..and you will be surprised how they coincide .. in other words, there was oil at $ 100 per barrel, they began to give birth. have stopped giving birth to oil ..
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 12 October 2021 20: 45
                +1
                . fertility depends on the mentality and standard of living.
                Loving and
                all non-poor Catholics in Italy, Spain, Portugal do not agree with you. And Switzerland for decades of wealth should have already caught up with China wassat No, the hypothesis does not fit.
                However, I would like to note that in small towns of England (where good housing is available) white families with 3-4 children are not uncommon.
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 13 October 2021 05: 22
              0
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              The higher the standard of living(Belgium, England) the lower the birth rate. For the birth rate to grow, the standard of living must be low

              Why, then, is the birth rate in rich America so much higher than in our country with a poor population? Your logic is not working.

              And why, tell me, are our billionaires all terribly large? After all, according to your logic, they should be generally childless!

              By the way, if we take for the truth the theory that rich countries give birth to few, then Russia should be very large and there should be just complete order with the birth rate. But this is not happening.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 13 October 2021 07: 18
                +3
                our country with a poor population?
                And not that your country9рф0 and a beggar. You are on par with the Czechs and the damned laughing Balts.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 October 2021 09: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  You non one level with the Czechs and the damned Balts.

                  African salaries? Regarding the increased Russian prices, Peskov has already reacted that our prices are catching up with the world ones.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 13 October 2021 15: 12
                    +2
                    We have CAPITALISM, this is our common misfortune and it did not appear on its own!
                    By the way, it won't dissolve by itself !!!
                2. rocket757
                  rocket757 13 October 2021 15: 10
                  0
                  You can be a beggar, but a healthy, capable person needs to be like that dragonfly for this - Red Summer sang, they didn't have time to look around and .... - then everything is clear, natural.
                  For those who simply could not, for objective reasons, everything is more difficult, BUT, and among them the division by ... !!! there are no frivolous dragonflies there, but not all of them are hardworking, stubborn ants.
            3. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 13 October 2021 12: 00
              -1
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              The higher the standard of living (Belgium, England), the lower the birth rate. For the birth rate to rise, the standard of living must be low (Bangladesh, Burundi).

              You just don't understand the issue. I say it again. You can raise the birth rate. But for this, the economy must work not for a narrow layer of capitalists, parasites, but for all people. I have already written in the comments an approximate list of what needs to be done. And of course, within the framework of capitalism, this is impossible. Therefore, no shitty parent capital will be able to drastically change anything. The indigenous peoples of Russia will die out. Even those that are showing growth so far. And the issue will be solved at the expense of migrants with all the ensuing consequences. Actually, this is already the case.
        3. Svarog
          Svarog 12 October 2021 20: 33
          -1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Duc passed already. Nifiga did not give birth.

          Can you throw off the link to statistics? Or haven't you even seen her?
        4. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 12 October 2021 21: 36
          +5
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: Svarog
          if ... socialism ... would give birth ..

          ..... Nifiga did not give birth. Fertility was only in backward regions with feudal or even tribal orders.

          how did you not give birth? I read that young families quickly had children. They either wanted to leave their parents, or from the hostel. Apartments were given at the rate of meters per person, free of charge or housing cooperatives were
        5. Stas157
          Stas157 13 October 2021 05: 37
          +2
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Duc passed already. Nifiga did not give birth.

          Didn't they give birth under socialism? Where did the population of 290 million people come from then? Has fallen from the moon?
      3. Doccor18
        Doccor18 12 October 2021 19: 36
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        ... if we had socialism ... the population would grow, because they would give birth without fear ... Russia is perhaps the richest country in the world in terms of natural resources ... and under socialism ... there would be a reason to pay pensions ...

        This was what the enemies were afraid of, and therefore there is no longer the first socialist state ... They do not need hundreds of millions of free and thinking citizens ...
      4. your1970
        your1970 12 October 2021 21: 04
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        This question would not have been ... if we had socialism ... Firstly ... the population would have grown, since they would have given birth without fear.

        Who was feared in 1980 - when 2,1 children were born ???? !!! Or then there was no socialism ??? !!!!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 12 October 2021 21: 06
          -1
          Quote: your1970
          Quote: Svarog
          This question would not have been ... if we had socialism ... Firstly ... the population would have grown, since they would have given birth without fear.

          Who was feared in 1980 - when 2,1 children were born ???? !!! Or then there was no socialism ??? !!!!

          You also have a question, can you provide statistical data? And at the same time, study it yourself ..
          1. your1970
            your1970 12 October 2021 21: 39
            +2
            Statistical data? lol lol
            This is when 2 children born in the Kirghiz SSR were added to 5 children of the European part of the RSFSR and received 3,5 children on average in the USSR ???? !! lol lol
            Oh well.....
            The heroine mother with 7 children in the village was alone in the 1980s - after the war they were on almost every street. The family of my father-in-law (71 years old) had 13 children and this was not uncommon. There were families with 16 children ... ...
            And that's all until the mid-1960s ...
            And then how it cut off ...
            In the 4th grade of my graduation (1987) there were 3 children in 2 families - in the remaining 1-2 children. No more.....
            You yourself know this - if you lived then
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 13 October 2021 19: 07
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Svarog
            This question would not have been ... if we had socialism ... Firstly ... the population would have grown, since they would have given birth without fear.

            Who was feared in 1980 - when 2,1 children were born ???? !!! Or then there was no socialism ??? !!!!

            You also have a question, can you provide statistical data? And at the same time, study it yourself ..

            I don’t know this statistics, I lived a little under the USSR, but I see from my acquaintances that children appeared at about 20, plus-minus. Yes, maybe there were 2 children, but these two --- also had children about 20 years old, give or take. If grandparents were 40-45 years old, it was fine. And some of them have not even turned 40.
            These were the grandparents (father-in-law, in the sense) that my aunt had. She is now at 70. But her daughter had the only child at 36. 15 years ago
      5. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 12 October 2021 21: 41
        -3
        Quote: Svarog
        and under socialism .. pensions would be where to pay.

        the pension of a teacher with 40 years of experience was 85 rubles ... My mother ... Ohh..kheh a huge sum for socialism ... Don't get away from reality!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 12 October 2021 21: 57
          -1
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Svarog
          and under socialism .. pensions would be where to pay.

          the pension of a teacher with 40 years of experience was 85 rubles ... My mother ... Ohh..kheh a huge sum for socialism ... Don't get away from reality!

          So what? I don't know exactly what my grandmother's pension was, but she also managed to help her three children, including my father in every possible way ... And what can pensioners now allow to help their children? Here's a pension of 12 and five need to be paid for a communal flat ... seven remains ... so that you can eat for seven thousand ... that's 000 rubles a day .. and also medications are needed .. which don't cost less than 225 rubles .. In general you can compare for a long time, only to convince me that now it will not work better ..
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 13 October 2021 09: 49
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            So what? I don't know exactly what my grandmother's pension was, but she also managed to help her three children, including my father, in every possible way ...

            And what your bubushka can, may have received a personal pension. And the bulk of people lived barely, barely on a penny, and live the same way. While people are young and efficient in any system, they squeeze out all the juices. The sweatshop is called !!!. And then, like a mangy dog, they are thrown under the fence. Socialism, capitalism, there is no difference. The essence is the same. Here are just Western pensioners (who are left to live !!) once travel around the world ... Finally, before they die, to see the world, and ours are saving up for the funeral. That's the difference. angry
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 October 2021 19: 14
              -1
              .......... western retirees .... travel around the world .....

              What problems? What are you all slandering the USSR? We have capitaclysm for 30 years,
              the market has settled everything

              Our billionaires have made billions the fastest and the coolest in terms of indicators ...
              Are pensioners somehow wrong, or what ?.
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 October 2021 12: 11
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Svarog
          and under socialism .. pensions would be where to pay.

          the pension of a teacher with 40 years of experience was 85 rubles ... My mother ... Ohh..kheh a huge sum for socialism ... Don't get away from reality!

          other proportions were. The rent, I read in the city was 2-6 rubles. No one had any debts. What is the proportion to your mother's pension? We are now in standard housing for 90 years --- ~~~ 6000. With the same proportion, the pension should be up to 90000. bully where is she
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 13 October 2021 13: 38
            0
            Quote: Reptiloid
            . The rent, I read in the city was 2-6 rubles. No one had any debts. What is the proportion to your mother's pension?

            For electricity only had to pay five rubles a month + water + heating + housing. In total, 15-17 rubles per circle !!! When my father died, he helped, paid my mother an apartment, so I know. But do not forget about other prices. A good refrigerator, TV, comfortable shoes, good clothes .. All this was very expensive, it was bought by pull with an overpayment ...
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 October 2021 19: 16
              -1
              ..... 15-17 rubles ...
              where is this street where is this house?
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 13 October 2021 21: 52
                +2
                ..... 15-17 rubles ...
                where is this street where is this house?

                Dmitry, indeed, the order of the total rent in the 70-80s was exactly that. In Orenburg, where my parents lived (Khrushchev-kopeck piece with improved layout, separate toilet and bathtub), and in Lyubertsy, where since 1985 he began to live with his family in a beautiful kopeck piece of the project of the early 80's. How much I paid while I lived in dorms after school (1972-1984) - I don't remember at all, it was such a penny.
                I never chased after prestigious and fashionable things, so I didn't get anything, I needed average quality, which was everywhere. There was no need to overpay.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 13 October 2021 22: 09
                  0
                  hi greetings to Sergey! It seems to me less light and more ... but I don't remember anymore, I counted something, forgot ... it's difficult to proportion. I somehow looked and wrote down the prices. For example, in 1982 a hake cost 60kop. Cod about 40 kopecks. ....
                  Perhaps you had some kind of set orders at work? That in the Far East, that my grandmother in Leningrad had them.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 13 October 2021 22: 24
                    +1
                    Dmitry, about the prices - ice in the Moscow region cost 43 kopecks / kg, and there was no need to clean it. I don't remember any other fish prices. This is the end of the 70s - the first half of the 80s. When the "Ocean" store was opened in Zhukovsky, chilled crayfish there cost 2 rubles 40 kopecks, I remember well, this is 1976. In the hostel, before cooking, we kept them in a sink filled with water, they came to their senses and began to rush around there in circles. Set orders appeared in large quantities in the second half of the 80s, because with the hump of the labeled products from the stores began to disappear somewhere. Orders were distributed by the trade union committee at the enterprise.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 14 October 2021 11: 52
                      +1
                      I remember about crayfish. drinks How they were cooked, a story about dishes. wassat good
                      You see, Sergei. Born in 1985. I used to think these are the best years of socialism. It turns out --- no. It is unpleasant for me sad
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 14 October 2021 17: 48
                        +1
                        I used to think these were the best years of socialism.

                        The best years of socialism were Stalin's, no matter how the current "democrats" howl. And I was quite satisfied with the period from 1965 to 1980, then we crawled into stagnation. Brezhnev knew what not to do and what to do - he did not know.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 14 October 2021 18: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        .... The best years of socialism are Stalin's, no matter how the current "democrats" howl. And I was quite satisfied with the period from 1965 to 1980, ......

                        That's how it is, Sergei. I figured it out, but later. As I understand it, the housing program has already begun to be implemented, there have been more goods gradually, since they overcame the devastation ... Financially, there was pride in the country ... But the digging under socialism had already begun, not only Kochetov's novel appeared, but poems appeared in 67 Kondratova
                        "Rebuke to the Deadline" is not a small poem. And after all, they did not subject him, although they did not print it, they did not imprison him ... There were admirers ... But they published it in 91m, or 93m.
                        ... then the collapse was from the inside, but the inhabitants did not know it.
                        And they believed in their strength. And they sent help to the brothers ...
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 14 October 2021 09: 02
              -1
              Listen! You read about the quart rent, and I paid the rent. I helped my mother. Everything . The bazaar is over. Take and dial the average wage quarters. fee in the 80s. Two - three bedroom apartment.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 14 October 2021 18: 28
                0
                My mother also told me other relatives. They worked and everything was fine. And their mothers' pension was enough to pay. They tried to give something good - technique, something else, but the old women were angry and said that they had everything.
                Quote: 30 vis
                Listen! You read about the quart rent, and I paid the rent. I helped my mother. Everything . The bazaar is over. Take and dial the average wage quarters. fee in the 80s. Two - three bedroom apartment.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 14 October 2021 20: 20
                  -1
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  They tried to give something good - technique, something else, but the old women were angry and said that they had everything.

                  Technique, or dignity. threefold equipment for minor repairs. because the taps shut off the water supply, or el. the switches were central and under their control. Electrician top five. they also took a bottle of vodka for troubleshooting .. Such were the morals ... They also thanked these technicians and dignity. technicians with electricians. And it was supposed to be done for free!
                  And in this case you had to wait for weeks !!! I am not trying to discredit that time. To prove to you that everything was bad and gloomy. The overwhelming majority of people honestly worked and served. But everything related to the service sector, trade. bureaucratic decisions, it cost money and was done by acquaintance and by pull ... There was a whole business of getting into prestigious universities ... For a good job, serving in a normal unit. If you are from an ordinary family, and your competitor for admission was a thug. They took him. Even though you crack! Therefore, there is no need for illusions about an ideal society under the USSR. These fly in the ointment and served as the impetus for the destruction of our country. His "Majesty" is in short supply, and His Majesty is bribery.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 14 October 2021 20: 29
                    0
                    Other questions arise here .... but I haven't thought of them yet. I’m with housing and people for work ... hi
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 14 October 2021 20: 38
                      -1
                      Salary at dignity. appliances, janitor. the electrician was small, I don’t remember. I know that it was not more than a hundred rubles .. That at that time it was dark ... Plus to everything there was a service apartment. Then, after ten or fifteen years, they were given a residence permit and the person could change their place of work. And the families had to be fed, so ... they took it. Many got drunk on these free vodkas.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 12 October 2021 16: 31
    +12
    Under new capitalism, a huge mass of the population, in principle, does not produce anything useful, continuous perverted services and buy and sell. Of course, in such a situation - not enough for any pensions .. Here in Russia - how many healthy men are there in the policemen, other security forces and private security shops? Wherever you come to the business center, two or three healthy foreheads in camouflage must be on watch .. And after all, all the numerous security officials - already at 45 are retiring to an increased pension! Hard workers, vigorous, worked hard .. Of course, a steelmaker or an electrician can work up to 65, but the delicate police organization of the carcass and the psyche cannot endure such a thing ..

    When a tiny percentage of the population produces something real, such a society, by definition, is overgrown with a colossal heap of problems .. In principle, they cannot be solved in normal ways.
    1. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 12 October 2021 19: 18
      +4
      And after all, all the numerous security officials - already at 45 are retiring to an increased pension !!

      Would you like to be at 38? Announcement in the train: "The Moscow guard regiment invites men and women aged 18 to 25 to serve. Free travel, sanatorium, benefits" blah blah blah ", pension after 20 years of service" 18 + 20 = 38 something like this :(
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 13 October 2021 00: 02
      0
      My father for 35 years in boots from a soldier to a colonel, Afghanistan, Chernobyl, could retire after 25 years of service, what, in your opinion, did not deserve?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 13 October 2021 05: 53
        +3
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        My father 35 years old in boots from a soldier to a colonel, Afghanistan, Chernobyl, could retire after 25 years of service, which, in your opinion did not deserve?

        Of course you deserve it! The question is something else. Someone had to earn money for your father's pension. And that he, before that, would run in boots for 35 years. In the end, money is not taken out of thin air.

        So there are very few hard workers left, as well as industries. And our hard workers have no respect at all - they keep them in a black body. Neither you nor an increased pension, nor an early exit to it. And the salary is scanty. Hump ​​to death, because you simply will not live to see retirement.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 13 October 2021 10: 34
        +4
        Deserved. But - how many military men do we have? And how many siloviks are there? A significant part of them go to work like everyone else, only in uniform. And even without it. Why do they need a pension at 45? And most importantly - who should provide it for them? Do old people after 60 have to work hard? And this is - in your opinion?
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 13 October 2021 12: 34
          +2
          Here I was always at a loss as to which staff, or in the accounting department or licensing department, personnel, the same privileges. Titles for long service as operatives who actually worked.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 13 October 2021 12: 40
            +2
            Here's a friend of mine who has worked in the police on paper work all her life, made up all sorts of graphs, reports .. I only changed the form at work. She retired as a major at the age of 44. The question is why should I work until 65 for her early retirement ?? What was dangerous and difficult in her work? But these types of beneficiaries are above the roof! Of course, in such a scenario, most of the pensions will be beggarly, if, of course, they live up to them at all ..
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 13 October 2021 13: 29
              +2
              I worked in the authorities in the 90s and early 13s ... so half of mine with whom at one time studied as teachers were in the school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... so they have titles and all that ... but then what kind of flight or autumn test did not pass, that's all ... z.p. kuku and with a rank, and work in bulk, for days ... we still had old school men, real police officers, they retired and two years later, one after the other, and left ... my heart ...
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 12 October 2021 21: 39
    -1
    Quote: rocket757
    How will we live and who will support us in old age ???

    They will come up with another kind of "covid-movid", exclusively for people over 65. Do not grieve! Yes, this does not concern Russia specifically, but the whole world ... economic considerations ... Healthy and young people will get more. That's all!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 October 2021 06: 28
      0
      They will clean, kill old people .. As they say, nothing personal, solely for the benefit of the living .. The world is moving towards this decision ... Old people and disabled people will not be needed for economic reasons ... Healthy and young people will get more. That's all!

      Here I agree with you .. And this can only be done in the capital countries .. under socialism this would not have happened.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 13 October 2021 09: 55
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        And this can only be done in the capitalist countries ... under socialism this would not have happened.

        I beg of you ! Under socialism demanded labor exploits. Like Motherland is in danger ... Regardless of people's health. Work in the most severe conditions, the most harmful to health ... Even at the instrument-making factories there were galvanic workshops with cyanides, and even white ones, smoke during soldering, resins, epoxy, varnishes, poor ventilation, and then women retired at 45-50 years old (working conditions) were dying of cancer one by one without living and a couple of years in retirement ... And so in everything ... The party said it was necessary !!!
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 October 2021 19: 19
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        They will clean, kill old people .. As they say, nothing personal, solely for the benefit of the living .. The world is moving towards this decision ... Old people and disabled people will not be needed for economic reasons ... Healthy and young people will get more. That's all!

        Here I agree with you .. And this can only be done in the capital countries .. under socialism this would not have happened.

        But they will also try to destroy the young and the children. Only otherwise. As if they themselves, themselves ...
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 13 October 2021 22: 36
          +1
          They will clean, kill the old people ...

          And this can only be done in capital countries ..


          Everyone harass the old people in the capitalist countries, harass them, but there are still more and more of them ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 13 October 2021 15: 26
      +2
      Sho can say to this ... the gin can be easily released from the bottle, but it is not always possible to drive it back !!!
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    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 12 October 2021 15: 36
      +12
      Quote: BAI
      And here you can remember a certain Chubais: “So what if several million old people will die.

      Do you remember this Mr., to whom decent people will not shake hands?
      "WE HAVE SUCH FOREST FALLING": THE CHINESE MINISTER REFUSED TO SHAKE CHUBAIS'S HAND
  • Klingon
    Klingon 12 October 2021 15: 19
    +9
    "Billions of dollars will be redistributed to the care and treatment of the elderly."
    - in Europe it has been a trend for a long time! Children want to rest in the Canary Islands, but where are the old people? Of course, in a boarding house for short care (from a week to 1 month) - a room for two old people will cost up to 4000-8000 Eurotugriks, depending on the timing. It is not joke! I know what I'm writing about
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 12 October 2021 15: 23
    -5
    Dragging all this at the university I heard 30 years ago. And some Svarogs still do not see this.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 12 October 2021 15: 27
    +4
    If we exclude the fatal factors affecting the population of the planet (global wars, pandemics, climatic disasters, etc.), then the number of people will be pulsating. Growth - contraction - growth. We now come to the growth / contraction transition point.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 12 October 2021 15: 28
    +10
    Where did the author get the data that in Germany in 2043 they will work up to 70 years?
    By law, you can leave at 65 or 67 years old. It is possible earlier, depending on the circumstances.
    True, there were politicians who spoke about 70 years, but they should not be taken seriously. A man of physical labor simply cannot master it.
    And the population will not vote for such a party.
    There are demographic problems, no one will argue about this.
    In my opinion, this article is a touchstone of how people will react.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 12 October 2021 15: 42
      +5
      In my opinion, this article is a touchstone of how people will react.
      Naturally so. The author, apparently, has already provided everything for himself, including the nurse.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 October 2021 12: 22
        0
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        In my opinion, this article is a touchstone of how people will react.
        Naturally so. The author, apparently, has already provided everything for himself, including the nurse.
        hi wassat laughing You, probably, represent young beautiful nurses to the author? Is not a fact? It is not known for whom the money will be enough. There may be other options ...
        ... or maybe it became a dwarf.?
        what to be in the countryside to the nearest hazel for a new broom?

        I think if you ask, no janitor will refuse, wassat at the same time will sweep the apartment
    2. Flank
      Flank 12 October 2021 15: 42
      +5
      They vote for another party and it, which is different, will still raise it to 70 or more. You can't trample against reality.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 12 October 2021 16: 41
        +3
        Well, if the work is to press buttons in a climate-controlled room, then it is possible and up to 80 is not a question. But the employer provides few such places. The reality is, there are a lot of old unnecessary people on the planet.
        1. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 13 October 2021 22: 40
          +1
          Well, if the work is to press buttons in a climate-controlled room, then it is possible and up to 80 is not a question.


          Sounds like a job description for a programmer (or a nuclear power plant operator?). Many 80-year-olds can handle this job?
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 14 October 2021 08: 07
            0
            You can press the buttons in different ways:
            - pressed the button and what happens next does not matter
            - but it is possible, as at a nuclear power plant or even a thermal power plant, where you must know the whole chain of consequences that will follow when you press, then yes, you are right, and 50-year-olds will have run out of nerves by this time.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 12 October 2021 19: 17
      +1
      how people will react
      And people didn’t care. The Tsarev was discussing the wedding, and the keyboards were breaking. There is silence about the Uzbek million hectares. then they will be delivered. Nuland pulled back. Why is she needed, since the sanctions were removed from her. And the putriotics are silent
      So it is about today's article. "life has become better, life has become more fun" There is no work, but there is no pension either. And besides work and health, not so much at 20 years old.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 October 2021 21: 53
        +6
        In the winter of 2018, my mother (a pensioner over 60) was invited for a poll, the purpose of the survey was to find out how to employ pensioners, what kind of jobs they should find, create ... building, a taxi was sent. It is clear that she is not alone.
        And in the summer they changed the retirement age.
    4. Motorist
      Motorist 12 October 2021 22: 12
      +3
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      By law, you can leave at 65 or 67 years old. It is possible earlier, depending on the circumstances.

      You can only start paying it with 67. You are right: there is one circumstance - disability.

      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      And the population will not vote for such a party.

      Here already Flanke wrote. Did you know that two-thirds of the Germans surveyed voted to abolish free covid tests? I have two suggestions for this illogical vote, one of which is falsifying the poll results.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 13 October 2021 10: 44
        0
        I live here, I have more than 46 years of experience, left at 63 and 6 months.
        Therefore, do not la-la.
        1. Motorist
          Motorist 13 October 2021 20: 50
          0
          I don’t know in what year you retired, but after the 29th, everyone will be 67 years old. Yes, there are exceptions: harmful work, disability, 45 years of experience. Early retirement pension (optional) at 63 years old - only with a reduction in payments.

          And 70 years are not far off either - there are fewer and fewer workers (do not forget the clans of "refugees" and social workers), and there are more pensioners. This article is correctly written about it. Soon they will prepare "public opinion" and raise it further ...

          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          Therefore, do not la-la.

          Let's be polite to each other.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 October 2021 15: 33
    +5
    The fact is that the body decays much faster than the brain. In many industries, elderly people will be forced to leave for lower-paid jobs only because of physical weakness.

    The conclusion, of course, is depressing. While the majority of the deputies of a well-known party are in the State Duma, it is possible to adopt a law amending the provisions of the Labor Code. In particular: switch to a six-day working week, increase the length of the working day to eight hours, reduce the time for lunch to 30 minutes, reduce the number of holidays, reduce the duration of vacations, pay a sick leave in the amount of 50% of basic earnings and no more than 10 working days, increase the retirement age to 70 for men and 68 for women ... good After thirty years of such work (if, nevertheless, enterprises are created where labor will be in demand, the population of Russia will be about 100 million people. And few will need to pay pensions. The main thing is that food supermarkets should regularly get rid of expired products.
    Yes, it's time to introduce euthanasia: who will enjoy such a life? belay By the way, there is a lot of work in the medical care of the population. Stop building hospitals and clinics. Let the cities have telemedicine services. Like on the Internet. Free specialist consultation, such as:
    1. Ben Gunn
      Ben Gunn 12 October 2021 16: 36
      +3
      Stop throwing ideas to them!
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 October 2021 15: 37
    +3
    And, of course, this in no way cancels the old as the world call - "multiply"!

    This is not a call, but the first commandment given to mankind, and the first commandment mentioned in the Old Testament is the command of the Almighty: "Be fruitful and multiply" ("In the beginning", 1:28).
    1. Anton Koroviev
      Anton Koroviev 12 October 2021 19: 54
      0
      Why, dear, do this? There are 3,5 yards of biotics on the land of the shogon. Tomorrow is 30_ 50 years old, the number must be reduced to 2 yards. Then humanity will exist in the aedilia.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 13 October 2021 00: 04
        0
        Can we start with you, cut it down?
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 October 2021 15: 38
    +9
    No matter what they say, we began to live better. Not only in a global sense, but also in Russian reality.
    From an old, old joke: a voice from the audience - what about us?
  • nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 12 October 2021 16: 09
    +3
    If we talk about demography, then it must also be smart. Now filmmakers, having received this order, show intimacy between young people everywhere. There would be nothing wrong with this if it were not for the speed of such a relationship. We just met in bed. And it seems as if there is no AIDS or sexually transmitted diseases in the world. But this is also a problem, and no small one. Can we regulate the weather? The same is the case with demography. We must take care of the health of people, and they will give what is required.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 12 October 2021 16: 32
    +4
    The country has been showing flowers for a long time

    The PF was destroyed. Children's circles have been cut, hospitals and schools have been optimized, prices for medicines and the rest are skyrocketing

    Now yes, work, work and work ... until paradise ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 October 2021 17: 37
    +6
    The article just breathes optimism smile
    1. your1970
      your1970 12 October 2021 21: 10
      -2
      Quote: parusnik
      The article just breathes optimism smile

      The article is realistic, and it will be so, and not only here ...
  • bandabas
    bandabas 12 October 2021 18: 21
    0
    Exit routes. First of all, sequester the author of this opus. There will already be savings.
  • lucul
    lucul 12 October 2021 18: 39
    -5
    “As the population grows older, we must invest more in the prevention, early detection and treatment of all serious diseases such as diabetes, dementia and Alzheimer's disease, heart disease or cancer.

    All of their increased life expectancy (80 years or more) grows from prevention and early detection
    diabetes, heart disease, or cancer.

    Which we do not have, unfortunately.
    The global aging of the population, when the proportion of only 80-year-olds in the world will quadruple by 2050, requires a lot of labor. First of all, the nurses. And this is with a serious crisis in the labor market. The elderly will distract the mass of workers who could build the economy, ensure GDP growth and scientific and technological progress. Moreover, you will have to look after not just physically frail old people, but people with deep senile dementia.

    Robotization. Already now, all these household appliances - washing machines, dishwashers, and so on. make life much easier, and even more in the future.
    Also :
    The first step to biological immortality will be some of our cyborgization. Consciousness is in our head, that is, in the brain. The ancient Greeks thought it was in the heart, but not in the brain. The brain needs very little from our body. Oxygen influx and fairly simple nutrients that modern chemistry easily synthesizes... It’s logical that everything will start with some kind of artificial bodies and an inserted tube that will connect with our cerebrospinal fluid and feed our brain. This will increase longevity and get rid of problems with the heart, kidneys and other offal, which is needed only in order to feed the brain with oxygen and sugar.

    Took from here:
    https://tech.onliner.by/2018/08/24/sovety-biologa
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  • Gennady Zavalov_2
    Gennady Zavalov_2 12 October 2021 19: 12
    -2
    I `m a pensioner. But no matter how blasphemous it sounds, especially for me, a pensioner, in order to increase the birth rate, it is necessary to abolish pensions. Absolutely, for all walks of life. Well, only to those who cannot have children due to their health. Don't reinvent the wheel. In the old days, there were no pensions, and there was no question of fertility at all, neither in Russia, nor in Europe. In old age, no one wants to look for food in the trash heaps, it means that children grow up, while they are in power, and of course, educate with respect for the elderly and their parents, that's all the wisdom. So civilization was built, and without any pensions. It was normal to have 6-8 children. The children of their old people fed and looked after them. Am I the only one who noticed that it’s a little the other way around now? But who will decide on this? And this is not done overnight. But for tens, and maybe hundreds of thousands of years, people have lived without pensions, which means we will continue to live, but we will start thinking about our old age from a young age, and the question of fertility will disappear by itself, unnecessarily. So somehow.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 12 October 2021 19: 19
      +5
      You are right from the point of view of the past of mankind .. but it can return only in case of something hard .. and otherwise it is already the past and this logic does not work already .. but it may work if you move from a young age to live with those rules about which You say ... just who will do this to the young in the modern world?
    2. Machnamh
      Machnamh 12 October 2021 19: 34
      +9
      Quote: Gennady Zavalov_2
      But for tens, and maybe hundreds of thousands of years, people have lived without pensions, which means we will continue to live


      And why then not like the indigenous inhabitants of the North - the Chukchi and Eskimos? So many years have passed and your relatives have strangled you. Or at the Japanese - he lived, your own children were taken to Mount Narayama, one to die there. Everything is legal and without half measures in the form of the abolition of pensions ... It used to be like this everywhere before
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 13 October 2021 19: 26
        0
        ......... your relatives are you and .....

        And the Papuans, Dayaks, the Senoi tribe? You will love their custom.
        a relative, friend will best rest in the belly of a close relative or friend
        1. Machnamh
          Machnamh 14 October 2021 12: 59
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          Dangerous for the physical and mental body. Did you hear about Kuru disease and prions? For this reason, I am also afraid of vaccines with vaccinations .... from covid-19 ..... Vaccination is urgently underway on a global scale! How a hundred years ago the World Revolution began, about which Nagulnov raved! You never know what a conspiracy can be against people like me ..... a lot of retirees divorced and others ..... The globe will not feed them!
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 14 October 2021 13: 23
            +1
            Slightly off topic. Yesterday, after comments on this article, an advertisement came about how good and useful it is for yourself to become a retired "silver volunteer". I wrote earlier that it is likely that retirees will be nurses for a small amount. But it turned out differently! Like, there is nothing to do, help others for your development. Help is good and correct. Only with a small pension do people want to earn money. Especially at an age when the opportunity to earn money is less.
            I know about the Kuru and prions. From what --- too. And your fears are justified, because now everything can be, I do not want to detail the known facts. recourse different request options
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 12 October 2021 21: 29
      0
      Before that, the elderly were few, but for the second they were simply expelled or killed in many nations upon reaching old age. Besides, this does not help banal, because it is expensive to raise children for oneself, it is easier to postpone for retirement than to invest in children.
    4. Vadim Krassib
      Vadim Krassib 13 October 2021 04: 56
      +7
      Apparently you are a very old pensioner, or maybe not very much, but you have big problems with your mental apparatus. Now the overwhelming majority of families have one child worthy to raise, to ensure a comfortable, happy childhood is a big problem, the president threw a dozen for school fees, and he threw 6-8 children in the family))) Okay, there are separate, very rare large families, which are indicative of and they will give a home, and all kinds of help. And if there are a lot of such families? Who will help them and how? Read the article in the part about African children. Remember, one official said: Nobody forced you to give birth!
      And the second - children are brought up by the street, society, the media, and there they teach selfishness, this is not the 19th century for you in the countryside (in cities even then, young people were exposed to a completely different teaching than when they were little obedient goodies in families. I read that parenting in the formation of an average young man is no more than 10%, a young man to live in society, and not to hold on to his mother's skirt all his life, but to live with wolves - howling like a wolf, such is the capitalist reality. to file for alimony from their children for old age? It means that too many over-aged children are slaughtered by their parents.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 October 2021 19: 20
    -1
    I recommend Death of the West by Buchanan Patrick J.
  • Machnamh
    Machnamh 12 October 2021 19: 25
    +3
    The author forgot to mention gerontology. This is also medicine. It is necessary to ensure that the aging effect becomes negligible. Examples in nature? Please! Aleutian perch, elite jellyfish, naked mole rat ... That is, they certainly have limitations in the form of a bar of life. But during this life it is always the same in strength, health and reproduction ... Both at the beginning of life and at the very end. And they die, as they say, healthy. How do you like this ---- to live in strength, health and happiness until you are 135, and then at once and immediately curl up into a mat? And not before. Sometimes it can, of course, but not from any illness, the maximum from an accident ... Then it doesn't matter if you even know in advance the day and hour of your death. On the contrary, it's good, since you will complete all your business by this hour ...
  • I do not care
    I do not care 12 October 2021 20: 49
    0
    The training manual is simple, in Europe, a pension from 70, replacing Russians with migrant workers is not a bug, but a trick, eat cotton wool instead of meat, you can't consume it.
    I applaud.
    and yes, the west is to blame.
  • volodya2014
    volodya2014 12 October 2021 20: 55
    +3
    I am sending it clear that the old people interfere, we must get rid of them .... They have survived the war, famine, post-war devastation. They rebuilt and rebuilt everything. Most of us live in houses and apartments that were built by our grandfathers and fathers. And now they do not need ..... it's scary to read this.
    1. your1970
      your1970 12 October 2021 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: volodya2014
      now they do not need ..... it's scary to read this.

      The author is generally not about our old people - the author is about the whole world. In Europe there are also 2 children a ceiling ...
  • Ellada87
    Ellada87 12 October 2021 23: 04
    -5
    Again, the all-consuming article. They say there are fewer whites, they do not breed, they die out. There are more blacks, they breed well, do not die out, migrate, occupy, seize everything ... Smart and educated women engaged in professional activities are bad, they do not need to, otherwise they do not want to become wives, mothers, multiply, rivet children ... Old and elderly people unnecessary and superfluous, a burden, all the cases ...

    However, as always in the spirit of Samsonov) Nothing new)
  • Vadim Krassib
    Vadim Krassib 13 October 2021 04: 27
    +6
    I do not believe in these horrifying numbers of growth in life expectancy. Look even at the official figures of Rosstat. From 1961 to 1990, 30 years !!!, the life expectancy of men in the USSR was around 63 years. Apparently this age is that biological average age for men in the conditions of our climate, eternal problems. I draw your attention to the fact that from 1965 to 1975 there was the so-called "Golden Age of the USSR", i.e. better neither before nor after the population of the USSR, and Russia in particular, never lived, and life expectancy still did not grow.

    Then, for obvious reasons, the life expectancy of men fell to 58-59 years, and this life expectancy lasted until 2005, i.e. 15 years!

    And so the liberals decided to increase the retirement age to 65 years. And here is a discrepancy - men on average live up to 59 years old, what is the increase? And Putin that year vowed that as long as he is president, there will be no increase in the retirement age. Well, what is logical, how can you do the retirement age of 65, when men live on average up to 59 years! Apparently he did not expect that he would be given the opportunity to sit still in the main chair.

    And here, ATTENTION !, the task was set for Rosstat, neither for medicine, nor for the social sector, nor for environmentalists, namely, the magical Rosstat to INCREASE life expectancy, especially for men. And - OH, MIRACLE! - over 8 years, the life expectancy of men for 8 years has increased by 6 (SIX) years, up to 65 years. This has never happened in the history of Russia!

    Do you think you've settled on this most blatant deception of all time? What is it - over the next 4 years, from 2013 to 2017, the life expectancy of men increased by another 2.5 years, to 67.5 years.

    Well, this is a completely different conversation, now the retirement age can be raised, and in general some fantastic numbers can be predicted!
  • VLR
    VLR 13 October 2021 08: 50
    +5
    Actually, if you look at it with an open mind, you have to admit that modern medicine has increased the average life expectancy due to the period of ... old age. And modern society has increased the length of the childhood period up to 25 years: until the child graduates from an unnecessary university (many then do not work in their specialty), it is dependent on the parents and leads a carefree existence, wandering around clubs and various parties. And it turns out that the period of independent life among modern people is no longer, and even, perhaps, less than in the Middle Ages, where a 13-year-old teenager (who outwardly would have passed off for the current 10-year-old - no one has heard of acceleration yet) completely independent active person. And he goes on hikes, if from a noble family, and works in the field from dawn to dawn, if from a simple one. And, most likely, he is already legally married.
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 13 October 2021 08: 53
    0
    Now covid will reduce the elderly by 50% in a few years across the planet
  • fuffi
    fuffi 13 October 2021 11: 34
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Usher
    What's worse? Seeing how many cars and apartments buy, I don't think it's worse.

    How many? Maybe you looked in the wrong place? They sell few new cars. Mostly used junk. And the apartments ... have you seen apartments of 8 square meters in Moscow? Selling very well!

    Why is it so bad? The answer on the surface is poverty.

    cheap propaganda. Used cars are always and everywhere in any country sold more than new ones.
    how many of these apartments as a percentage of the total? went to the first real estate site in Moscow that came across. there were 33 in the whole of Moscow! apartments by filter up to 15 squares. among thousands of normal ones. of course about the apartments of the named area in other countries "this is different"
    liar liar and liar again.