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Arguments against legalizing short-barreled weapons

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In this article, I tried to summarize and debunk the most common arguments of short-barreled supporters, from the point of view of a former police officer with 20 years of experience, half of which I worked as a forensic expert, and the other as a personnel psychologist.


So:

1. Who benefits?


Who benefits from this - to arm the people with a short-barreled gun?

On the one hand, the gunsmiths. They are offended that the "oilmen" and "gasmen" are raking in money with a shovel, and their market is already oversaturated with all kinds of "pneumatics", "traumas" and "gas workers".

On the other hand, let's say, to the security forces. It's ridiculous to listen to this childish babble about the fact that the authorities are allegedly afraid to arm people with short-barrels.

What is there to be afraid of?

Firstly, the pistol does not "canal" against heavy weapons and body armor (from the word "absolutely"), and secondly, it is even beneficial, since any action can be attributed to "armed resistance", plus "how many people, so many opinions ", So that they will shoot each other forward, than they can oppose something to the authorities.

2. Will crime decrease?


Why did it happen?

Let's take the same USA. In 1994, I was there on a business trip to the DEA, in Washington (then the population there was about 700 thousand people). The chief of police was asked about the "firearms" crimes. The answer is that 200 (!) People were killed in just one year, while serious bodily (death in a few days in the hospital), disabilities, disability and psychological trauma remained outside the brackets.

I was also impressed by the memorial dedicated to the policemen who died during the execution - a long wall filled with names in small print.

We were seriously advised that if the local "gopniks" got attached, then we should not be heroic, since they are all armed and behave very nervously (just due to the fact that weapons everyone is full). Therefore, you do not need to go into your pocket (even if for money), but allow yourself to be searched. And the best thing is to put 5 bucks (the cost of a standard dose of drugs there) in the breast pocket of his shirt and point the "gopnik" in the pocket so that he can take it himself. After that, you have to get out of there without looking back, because the "gopnik" may think that you are looking around to shoot at him, and will shoot at you.

Every major city in the United States has marginal areas where even police officers are afraid to enter. And if they call in, it looks more like a military operation under the cover of armored vehicles. People in these areas live in constant fear of violence.

So let's not be so naive as to explain such a complex social phenomenon as a high or low crime rate only by the presence or absence of weapons by the population.

3. The culture of handling weapons


I, unfortunately, do not have statistics for the United States on the number of fatal accidents from careless handling of weapons. But, based on my 20-year experience of work in the police, I can assume that this figure is simply enormous.

Now imagine what will happen in Russia?

Moreover, a pistol is not a gun that only needs to be taken out twice a year when going hunting, so few people will put a pistol into the safe every time they come home. And we shouldn't also forget about the unrestrained drunkenness that takes place in Russia. In the United States, for example, a huge number of cases of injuries and deaths of police officers occur when traveling to family showdowns (domestic violence).

Again, weapons that have not even fired need to be cleaned regularly. The majority of the population does not have such a large living space to allocate a special place for this, where it is possible to reliably restrict access to the rest of the family (especially children) ...

4. Psychological aspect


The already textbook phrase: "If common sense collides with imagination, then imagination always wins", makes you think ...

Of course, everyone's fantasies are individual, but the common denominator of these fantasies among fans of the legalization of short-barrels in Russia is quite banal: “Here it is - I am with a pistol, and a certain aura of security shines around me. And if anyone dares, then I am them and so, and so! And as a result, everyone runs or lies, and "I myself am all in white."

But reality is usually very different from fantasy. And a real fight is very different in terms of the intensity of emotions from training in a shooting range. It happens that the hands dance so that the primary task is not to defeat the enemy, but to hold the pistol in hand. This was even noticeable when a speed exercise was introduced in the police, with a pistol being pulled out in motion and several targets hit. By the way, after several accidents, this exercise, for most categories of employees, was quickly canceled.
People react differently to life-threatening environments. For many, the field of view is narrowed to "tunnel", so that they really do not see anything except one enemy (but in the smallest detail), and as a result, of course, they miss the attack from the side and from behind.

As a psychologist, I sadly can state that the "reality" of fantasies can reliably destroy only reality. And, you yourself understand that in the context of "firearms" this very reality for a dreamer may turn out to be too harsh ...

As a forensic expert, I am familiar with cases when the owners of the "smoothbore", when the villains attacked the house, did not dare to use weapons to kill. They frightened, shot in the air and at the feet, but the end of all this was "grievous bodily" or death, both of the owners of the weapon and their loved ones.

It is very difficult for an ordinary person who has not gone through the experience of war (where he was forced to kill in order not to be killed) to psychologically decide to use weapons to kill, even despite the rampant violence in modern literature, cinema and computer games. For example, now a lot of "real guys" carry knives with them - just in case. But when it comes down to it, even with a threat to life and health, only a few "remember" about these knives ...

Here you can probably touch and moral side of the issue.

As a psychologist of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I have repeatedly come across situations when employees use weapons "to kill" (completely legitimately) with a fatal outcome for the "villain." Each time it was the hardest moral trauma for the employee (even if the “villain”, as they say, “had nowhere to put the sample”). And often everything ended with the dismissal of an employee from the authorities of his own free will.

Speaking of psychology, one cannot but recall such an aspect as “careless murders”.

There can be a lot of scenarios, and no psychiatrist issuing certificates for permission to purchase will be able to foresee everything.

The biggest problem with the total arming of the population will be fear... And fear often pushes a person to very ridiculous and inappropriate actions.

In this regard, I remember such a case when one man walked late in the evening, and another man "with wild eyes" suddenly jumped out of the entrance to him. The first of the second "filled up" from the "trauma" to death (in the head). It turned out that the second ran to the pharmacy - the child had an asthma attack, and the inhaler broke ...

5. The tactical side of the issue


Now imagine that your dream has come true, and you are proudly walking through the evening city with a pistol (by the way, where is it located?). And then: "Gop-stop, we came from around the corner!" At the same time, his weapon (or theirs - which completely deprives you of at least some chances) is already in full readiness. If at the same time you climb for a weapon, then you are a corpse, trying to wave your arms and legs - again a corpse, trying to escape - again a corpse.

Thus, a criminal who goes to a "business" (especially with a firearm) will always be ahead of any armed citizen in tactical terms, even if he is from the special forces (in the army there are completely different tasks and tactical situations). Naturally, the villains will not be waving their weapons in plain sight, but first they will disguise it under a thrown over jacket, in a black plastic bag (very convenient and invisible) or in some other clever way.

You're not going to walk around town with a pistol in your hand, are you? You think that in a country where the majority of the population has weapons, criminals, like in a movie, will first tell you for a long time how they are going to kill you, then they will reach into your pocket for a pistol, and at this time you are cleverly so - bang bang ! And everyone lies at your feet?

Many adherents of the short-barrel talk about the need for increased control by law enforcement agencies - they say, this can solve all the problems with the "shooterаmi "in public places.

And why would a criminal "shine" with the purchase of weapons, if hundreds of thousands of "suckers" will walk around who will buy themselves guns, but will not buy the determination to kill their own kind?

Feel free to come and take from anyone. Well, to be sure, you can first "stock up" with a water pipe because of the corner.

6. Social tension


There is one more aspect, which for some reason all adherents of short-handed people forget - the police are also people and also want to live, oddly enough.

With "total armament", you will have to change the law and allow the police to shoot without warning, but only on suspicion of using weapons (as in the United States). Otherwise, no one will go to serve there. And when your over-aged child is shot by a policeman, just because the child decided to show off in front of his peers - he got it and brought a gas worker, an injury, a pneumatic, or even a mock-up of a pistol in the direction of the citizens or the police to another you will remember the saying: “Let 12 condemn me better than six carry me”.

Take the United States again.

In the United States, there have been riots of entire districts and even cities more than once, when a policeman (again, very legitimately) killed someone from the colored population. The United States likes to teach others about democracy, but in its stories always very cruelly, with the help of the army, dealt with popular unrest. You can recall Detroit, and very recent events.

7. The problem of suicides


The problem of suicides is growing steadily all over the world.

It is known that in a family where parents committed suicide, the likelihood of this scenario repeated by children also increases many times. It looks like an epidemic. The pistol is one of the most simple и reliable ways to commit suicide.

Thus, the presence of a large number of short-barrels in the country will undoubtedly lead to a significant increase in suicides. For example, in "power structures" 70% of suicides are committed with the use of standard weapons. Moreover, it will not be a single flash, but waves, rolling one after another.

8. miscellanea


Where there is a legal arms market, the illegal one simply thrives.

Since our people are very smart (and this is really so), and most of them are very informed about the possibilities of forensic science in matters of identifying weapons by cartridge cases and bullets, the majority will look for ways to acquire exactly illegal copies (in addition to legal ones) in order to maximize security ourselves before the law (since our legislation, let's say, often contradicts the interests of the majority of the population).

As you probably understand, this leads to "lawlessness."

And if in the United States such "lawlessness" exists (no matter what our supporters of short-barrels say) only in certain disadvantaged areas, then in our country, I suspect, it will begin throughout the country.

Conclusion


Based on the foregoing, it probably becomes clear to any sane person that legalization of short barrels in Russia cannot solve a single problem, except, perhaps, gratifying teenage complexes (and even then before the first meeting with reality) among her fans.

On the other hand, such legalization, of course, will lead to a significant reduction in life safety in Russia, the growth of social tension, total fear and hopelessness of existence.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 8 October 2021 11: 07
    +26
    Why did it happen?

    Since criminals will always have weapons, regardless of their legality or illegality. But for law-abiding citizens, everything is different.
    There is a clear correlation between a permit to carry a weapon and the number of crimes. When weapons are allowed, the schedule goes down, and when they are prohibited, the schedule goes up
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 October 2021 11: 12
      +4
      but forget ... the authorities will not harm themselves.
      1. raw174
        raw174 8 October 2021 12: 13
        +6
        Quote: Dead Day
        but forget ... the authorities will not harm themselves.

        And how will having a pistol in the hands of citizens harm the authorities?
        I agree with the author of the article on every point. The short-barreled solution will raise the shadow arms market to a fundamentally new level and this is the biggest problem in this matter.
        The argument that the criminal will have a pistol, but the victim will not, is not sound, since in order to resist an armed man, you need not a pistol, but a special character. The holstered barrel of a good man can give him false self-confidence.
        What is not satisfied with the trauma?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 8 October 2021 12: 17
          +6
          Quote: raw174
          And how will having a pistol in the hands of citizens harm the authorities?

          Well, for example, in the case of legalization, it will be necessary either to abolish the bailiff service, or to arm it with tanks and armored personnel carriers.
          1. raw174
            raw174 8 October 2021 12: 42
            +6
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: raw174
            And how will having a pistol in the hands of citizens harm the authorities?

            Well, for example, in the case of legalization, it will be necessary either to abolish the bailiff service, or to arm it with tanks and armored personnel carriers.

            Is that the kind of humor you have? Do you think that the FSSP is some kind of extortionists? Yes, they comply with the court's decision, this is the execution of the LAW. In the case of the legalization of the short-barreled, they, like the police, will, in fact, be given permission to use the service certificate without significant restrictions (the author indicated this). Do supporters of legalization want shootouts at the entrance? Or do they themselves do not want to pay off their debts, but want to eat "according to an authoritative" article?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 8 October 2021 12: 56
              +9
              Quote: raw174
              Is that the kind of humor you have? Do you think that the FSSP is some kind of extortionist? Yes, they comply with the court's decision, this is the execution of the LAW.

              I would not discuss the judicial system and the legality of laws in this article.
              The only thing that makes me furiously (although I am for) not advocating legalization is the super-heated atmosphere within society, which does not yet see the true enemy of its "misadventures" and plight, but only considers the "enemy" of a neighbor who has occupied a parking lot or the grandmother who climbed forward at the sale / distribution of pancakes with a shovel.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 13: 08
                +12
                But what if three thugs in the subway will beat you to death ... and no one rushes to save you? what soldier
                1. raw174
                  raw174 8 October 2021 13: 41
                  -5
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  no one will rush to save you?

                  Will the gun help? And what makes the injury worse, in this case? At least with trauma, there is less risk of accidental victims, since I think that shooting in a subway car is a great idea.
                  1. Lech from Android.
                    Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 13: 44
                    +24
                    Not well, they ask counter questions again ... I ask again how to save your life when thugs beat you to death and no one is in a hurry to save you?
                    The trauma in the subway is no worse than a short barrel ... there are a lot of people around.
                    For example, I do not want to acquire either a short-barrel or a Traumat ...
                    I just want my native state not to put me in jail if I break the thug's jaw, arm or neck in defense.
                    But in most cases, the one who defended is imprisoned.
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 8 October 2021 13: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      I just want my native state not to put me in jail if I break the thug's jaw, arm or neck in defense.

                      This is the problem of the enforcement of the article on self-defense and the commensurability of the means of defense and attack. I also disagree with the current practice, but that's a different topic.
                      1. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 14: 18
                        +15
                        This topic is indirectly related to the topic of short-barrel.
                        There is no trust of citizens in the state, there is no trust in the police and numerous law enforcement agencies ... hence such short-handed passions ... citizens trust their personal weapons more than the police.
                        In general, irreconcilable antagonism in society.
                      2. alstr
                        alstr 8 October 2021 15: 11
                        +8
                        It would be more accurate to say that self-defense law enforcement practice discourages most people from seriously standing up for someone. Just due to the fact that the courts write out at least suspended sentences. A% of excuses are scanty.
                      3. Vladimir Varlamov_2,
                        Vladimir Varlamov_2, 10 October 2021 17: 04
                        +2
                        Yes, fullness! Cowardice is what discourages most people from wanting to stand up seriously for someone ... and even for themselves!
                    2. saygon66
                      saygon66 9 October 2021 14: 29
                      +2
                      And not only here .... Otherwise, there would not have been so many films about "dirty cops" in all film studios in the world
                2. Whowhy
                  8 October 2021 14: 47
                  -3
                  For some reason, you think that only you will have a weapon ...
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 09
                    +13
                    Quote: whowhy
                    For some reason, you think that only you will have a weapon ...
                    He knows for sure that the weapon will not only be with him. And now the bandit knows that only he has a weapon. This will change with legalization.
                  2. your1970
                    your1970 8 October 2021 22: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Quote: whowhy
                    For some reason, you think that only you will have a weapon ...
                    He knows for sure that the weapon will not only be with him. And now the bandit knows that only he has a weapon. This will change with legalization.

                    The bandit will have a choice - today at the entrance to the head of the owner of the Land Cruiser and Beretta, tomorrow at the garages to the owner of Logan and TT lol lol
                  3. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 9 October 2021 23: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: your1970
                    The bandit will have a choice - today at the entrance to the head of the owner of the Land Cruiser and Beretta, tomorrow at the garages to the owner of Logan and TT lol lol

                    Yes, now a good trauma costs about "a hundred" ...
                3. Vladimir Varlamov_2,
                  Vladimir Varlamov_2, 10 October 2021 17: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
                  It's not the barrel that shoots - the person ..

                  No, it is the barrel that shoots. Even a stick shoots once a year. The weapon has magical power over its owner - it seduces him with a false sense of superiority and in an inscrutable way makes him use it.
              2. ja-ja-vw
                ja-ja-vw 9 October 2021 13: 51
                +2
                Quote: whowhy
                For some reason, you think that only you will have a weapon ...

                The Lord God created people, President Lincoln gave them freedom, and Colonel Colt made them equal
              3. SergioCDS
                SergioCDS 12 October 2021 03: 24
                0
                When the CRIMINAL knows that he can get an "olive" for his actions - 1000 and 500 TIMES THINKING - "... is it worth it ..."
              4. EvilLion
                EvilLion 18 October 2021 09: 23
                +1
                And he just kicks in the back.
          2. Canis aureus
            Canis aureus 9 October 2021 14: 35
            +3
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            But in most cases, the one who defended is imprisoned.

            We have spirituality and bonds. They hit on the right cheek - substitute the left, and if you resist, they will put you in jail. Not for causing injury, but for trampling on the braces.
            1. Vladimir_Sibiryak
              Vladimir_Sibiryak 17 October 2021 21: 33
              0
              That's right, the slave ruined the lordly property, for this disgrace it is necessary to imprison. Although personally I live by the principle: the aggressor attacked - I will try to overwhelm him out of principle, because I consider every aggressor to be subhuman. I will be released in 10 years and no one will release him from the other world, pure profit.
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 08
          +6
          Quote: raw174
          And what makes the injury worse, in this case?
          Trauma is useless.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 9 October 2021 23: 17
            +1
            Quote: bk0010
            Trauma is useless.

            Looking for what? If it helps for self-defense, if for an attack, then it is better to use a triangular file without a handle under a quilted jacket or a couple of electrodes sharpened at both ends in a briefcase ...
            1. Andrey Chizhevsky
              Andrey Chizhevsky 10 October 2021 11: 51
              +4
              Why go far? File ... Electrode .. A kitchen knife is also a weapon. By the way, judging by the statistics of "everyday life" - the most popular .. But to have or not to have a weapon - that is the question? (Sir William - I'm not going to take the authorship from you wink It is not the barrel that shoots - the man .. But can this man be sane now? I doubt it .. How many times any petty quarrel leads to the fact that the trunk is "exposed". And more often than not by people who are talking about weapons. have a concept of computer toys. I believe that all our trouble from an early age has no idea about the value of human life. Education in the spirit of a consumer society - who has the loot - that King of the Hill - that leads to what we have. The law is one for all - a good declaration. But alas - only a declaration ...
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 18 October 2021 09: 26
              +1
              At home, the owner knows where he has an ax, a monkey wrench and a bunch of other things that are more dangerous than a pistol in close combat. You just need to be able to apply.
          2. SergioCDS
            SergioCDS 12 October 2021 03: 32
            +1
            ... - "Any cook can run the state" I. Lenin
          3. Vladimir_Sibiryak
            Vladimir_Sibiryak 17 October 2021 21: 34
            -1
            Just engage in self-defense so that there are no witnesses and cameras, because where there are no cameras and witnesses - the law is dead, do what you want and you won't get anything for it.
          4. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 17 October 2021 22: 16
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_Sibiryak
            Just engage in self-defense so that there are no witnesses and cameras, because where there are no cameras and witnesses, the law is dead

            I'll almost take your advice, throw a sharpened electrode from a place where there are no cameras, to a place where they are ...
    2. Dsv
      Dsv 10 October 2021 10: 01
      +2
      Trauma does not guarantee the elimination of the threat, but, on the contrary, can cause even greater aggression. Look on YouTube videos of how, after the application of trauma, they received them on a turnip
      1. Vladimir_Sibiryak
        Vladimir_Sibiryak 17 October 2021 21: 36
        -1
        buy a pneumatic zigzauer. He has a ball departure speed of 155 meters per second. And for the ball to pierce the forehead and enter the brain (certain death of the aggressor), 153 meters per second is enough. True, the distance is short, 10 meters.
    3. Kade_t
      Kade_t 14 October 2021 09: 57
      0
      In this case, in the subway, trauma might have helped, but what if one of the attackers had a combat barrel? You got the injury without knowing it died.
  2. savage1976
    savage1976 8 October 2021 13: 59
    -2
    The 3 monkeys could not calm down the peasants' carriage. Shame on those owners of stitches, men cannot be called them.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 14: 21
      +13
      Oh, sorry you weren't in the carriage ... smile you would immediately twist three drunken hooligans in a ram's horn.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 12 October 2021 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Oh, sorry you weren't in the carriage ... smile you would immediately twist three drunken hooligans in a ram's horn.

        And then I would sit down like an ardent nationalist and an offender to the guests of the capital ..... even if a guy was beaten in the metro by three, the cops only hanged the "hooligan", even "not beating" ... if not for the public outcry and the UK, would get off with suspended sentences ...
    2. raw174
      raw174 8 October 2021 14: 30
      +4
      Quote: savage1976
      3 monkeys could not calm down the carriage of men

      But if there was a pistol !!! That's just the point, it is not the trunk that protects the person, but the character!
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 14: 37
        +21
        Not the trunk and not the character ... but the law ... must at least ...
        If the law, the men in the subway had the right to trample the hooligans, they would have done it ... but after all, the people were intimidated so by the laws that no one risks raising a hand against them ... and then suddenly they will be dragged through the courts ... prove that it was not you who attacked hooligans.
        1. raw174
          raw174 8 October 2021 14: 49
          +3
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Not the trunk and not the character ... but the law ... must at least ...

          In utopia, not in the real world. There will always be a place for lawbreakers in life.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          If by law the men in the subway had the right to trample the hooligans, they would have done it ...

          No. Nothing prevented people from detaining the bastards. Do not trample, but using force to detain, twist. Nobody will do this, not because they were intimidated, but because they are Russians. If three Russians behaved rudely on a train in Dagestan or Chechnya, they would have gotten a must from the people. There was only one man in the Moscow metro ...
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 15: 07
          +6
          One man even works as a bartender (I didn't think that bartenders have fortitude) ... hmm what where did the heroes of the Russian land go ... a sore subject ... the people are shrinking ... the girls are braver than the peasants ... the people are slowly degrading.
        3. raw174
          raw174 8 October 2021 15: 28
          -4
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          .. grinds the people

          This, among other things, is the basis of my conviction that the legalization of short-barrels in Russia is unacceptable.
        4. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 15: 54
          +7
          It won't be better for the people from this ... the state is not able to protect the people from the criminal element ... moreover, it itself generates these problems by bringing in, for example, thousands of guest workers, among whom there are future robbers, murderers, and thieves.
          So I don't expect anything good on this topic ... it will only get worse.
        5. raw174
          raw174 8 October 2021 16: 02
          +4
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          the state is unable to protect the people from the criminal element ...

          I do not see now rampant crime in our country. Take, for example, the nearest millionaire to me - Chelyabinsk, where I visit very often, where my relatives live, it is quite a safe city. Of course there is crime, but there is no rampant gopota, that's for sure ...
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          it itself generates these problems by bringing in, for example, thousands of guest workers

          Gaster is brought in not by the state, but by business. Cheaper labor is just a business ...
        6. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 16: 40
          +3
          I sometimes read crime reports in different regions of Russia.
          Everywhere the situation is different ... as a rule, the police react on the fact of a crime ... no body, no case.
          Although, let's be fair, the professionalism of the operatives has increased ... they quickly began to find suspects ... this is already encouraging ... all is not lost yet.
        7. raw174
          raw174 8 October 2021 19: 20
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          usually the police react after the fact

          How should the police react? In my opinion, in some movie there was a crime prevention service, when killers were caught before committing murder ... but this is fantastic.
      2. Vladimir Lenin
        Vladimir Lenin 8 October 2021 23: 33
        +1
        Quote: raw174
        I do not see now rampant crime in our country. Take at least the nearest millionaire to me - Chelyabinsk

        Chelyabinsk is not the whole of Russia! And what do you mean by "Rampant Crime" ?! My grandmother lived in Bukhara from 1926 to 1949. So they had "Entrance" in their houses, the position was like "Concierge". And each "Pidzdny" from evening to morning walked with a Mosin carbine and a couple of packs of cartridges. And this practice was interrupted only from 1939 to 1941. And this was at a time when the Great Stalin was putting things in order in the country and raising Russia from its knees, because the "Basmachi" did not disappear anywhere!
  3. ja-ja-vw
    ja-ja-vw 9 October 2021 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: raw174
    This, among other things, is the basis of my conviction that the legalization of short-barrels in Russia is unacceptable.

    according to this logic: could the legalization of stubby be allowed after 1945?
    1.crime was rampant
    2. the people were by no means "petty", only that Germany and Japan were defeated.
    Armed?
    No.
    Our government will NEVER equip the electorate with short-handed people.
  4. raw174
    raw174 10 October 2021 08: 28
    -2
    Quote: ja-ja-vw
    Our government will NEVER equip the electorate with short-handed people.

    What does the electorate have to do with it? Or do you think that if you give people a short-haul, they will run to arrange a revolution? So buy a rifle and arrange it, now there are also carbines with very modest dimensions on sale.
    To believe that the authorities are really afraid of the gun is utter nonsense.
  5. ja-ja-vw
    ja-ja-vw 10 October 2021 11: 37
    -3
    Quote: raw174
    To believe that the authorities are really afraid of the gun is utter nonsense.

    It takes a little mind to be called a fool.

    Of course, our dear power only cares about us orphans, only for this
    Quote: raw174
    This, among other things, is the basis of my conviction that the legalization of short-barrels in Russia is unacceptable.
  6. g1v2
    g1v2 8 October 2021 16: 45
    +7
    The big city dictates a different psychology. I myself would hardly have got into someone else's fight if it were not for my acquaintance. Some are fighting - and to hell with him. I would simply press the panic button in the carriage or inform the attendant at the station.
    An example from life. Once, when I was young, I rode on a night bus and right behind me, a drunken degenerate mocked the girl in every possible way. Both physically and mentally. He pulled his hair, drove his hand over his face, and so on. Shpynyal. I could not resist and began to get up, turning around and starting a movement to write in his jaw. And at this moment the girl says to him - "everything is fine, dear, soon we will get married and everything will be fine." I just sat on my ass. belay If he does this even when they are not married, then what will happen next? And how would she take my "heroism" if a stranger just beat her fiancé? And what would I say in the department and against whom would the one whom I was going to defend testify against?
    Well, there were different cases - and fought off attacks and calmly settled situations without a massacre. In no situation would a pistol help me - it would only harm me. At least I could sit down.
  7. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 8 October 2021 21: 37
    +4
    At least I could sit down.
    Sometimes it is better to sit down than lie down. hi
  8. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 8 October 2021 20: 30
    +15
    Oh well. Personally, I would not interfere in this carriage because:
    1. Would have gotten in the face. Why do I need it?
    2. In the beginning was the WORD. An experienced lawyer (and the diaspora has already hired the best) from my words would have done so that these guys were forced to rush at me, and it would be good if I was not imprisoned for extremism and inciting ethnic hatred.
    3. Fear. Fear for my family and friends, because if the diaspora takes over me, then all that remains is to sell everything and everyone. including the apartment and crawl on their knees. Maybe forgiven.
    There are two points in this business - physical and ethical.
    Physics: Three beat one. We have a hooligan and injuries of varying severity. Not the fact that they are heavy. An attempted murder without prior collusion? Don't be ridiculous, it won't come to court, it will fall apart on the way.
    Ethics: Three Dagestanis beat up one Russian. If they were reprimanded by the same Dagestani, would they beat him? NO!!! But the Russians can. It is strange that these Dagestanis were not presented with extremism and ethnic enmity. This suggests that for all the loud words about patriotism, in fact, the authorities simply hate Russians.
  9. KhatulMadan
    KhatulMadan 9 October 2021 23: 52
    +1
    1. well, doubtful. animals, they also smell power. if there is no strength, it will fly in full. power is - shut up.
    2. in the beginning there was action. for speech developed much later. watch babies 1,5-2 years old. in courtyard squabbles, they manage with offenders with almost no verbal interaction.
    3. takes place. but! if you behave like a sheep. to be able to answer for the "bazaar", for the actions is worth a lot.
    about "
    in fact, the authorities simply hate Russians
    is that you joking now? or are you ready to give arguments?
  10. Vadim Kukhtiev
    Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 06: 47
    +2
    Calm down, for the diaspora, the trinity of ub ... kov created a big problem. The Diaspora makes money here and they do not need any extra fuss about the Dags. Spending money on lawyers, in this case, is an empty matter, they made too much noise, now they will get it from the heart.
  11. Andrey Chizhevsky
    Andrey Chizhevsky 10 October 2021 11: 58
    0
    On the tinsel ... Yes, they simply would not have reached ... And in the subway there was a man - and then from Voronezh .. Ah-oo-oo! Where are you ? Muscovites. ? No more ? Are mammoths extinct? laughing
  12. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 October 2021 09: 27
    +1
    "The people were intimidated" is such a convenient excuse.
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 09
    +6
    Quote: raw174
    But if there was a pistol !!! That's just the point, it is not the trunk that protects the person, but the character!

    yes, but in spite of this, all the power structures are armed.
    could do with one character.
    1. raw174
      raw174 8 October 2021 16: 15
      +1
      Security officials are trained and trained. Well, look at the practice of using weapons by the same police, these are exceptional isolated cases.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: raw174
      Security officials are trained and trained. Well, look at the practice of using weapons by the same police, these are exceptional isolated cases.

      you wrote
      it is not the trunk that protects the person, but the character!

      develop strong character in police and army. he will help them, as well as citizens by your logic.
    3. Cympak
      Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 34
      +2
      In Russia, by the way, compulsory military service has not yet been canceled. Most male citizens receive appropriate training in the use of weapons.
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  • Kade_t
    Kade_t 14 October 2021 10: 01
    0
    Guys? And if they have feathers or bullocks in their pockets, how many muzhiks they pacify, there are ordinary unarmed people in the carriage and not special forces.
  • Vladimir_Sibiryak
    Vladimir_Sibiryak 17 October 2021 21: 37
    +1
    there a woman lectured the southerners. But there is a problem.
    A woman can teach a southerner only if she is his senior blood relative. So I would not have stood up for her even with a firearm with me.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 8 October 2021 16: 33
    +2
    There is a police force at every metro station. All questions - to the staff on duty at the station. Again, everyone is alive, and the attackers are arrested. Now let's imagine a shootout at a subway station. How many victims will there be? And will the victim himself survive?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 45
      +5
      Quote: g1v2
      Now let's imagine a shootout at a subway station. How many victims will there be? And will the victim himself survive?

      even one such firefight will be an excellent preventive measure in the following situations.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 8 October 2021 16: 52
        +3
        How? Anyone with a barrel must be shot first and then the documents must be checked as in the states? laughing I'm not saying that the transportation of weapons in the subway is prohibited and a person with a barrel would be immediately packed if found. And God forbid, he would make sudden movements. And as the shooter at the station, the outfit would first shoot, and then they would already find out who is to blame and who attacked whom. The metro is a strategic facility with a large number of people and is potentially extremely terrorist-prone. Nobody will risk it. Whoever starts shooting at the station, no one will try to detain. Well, the Dagi would have gone as witnesses to the terrorist attack. As a result, the victim would be dead, and the Dagestanis would be free. request
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: g1v2
          How? Anyone with a barrel must be shot first and then the documents must be checked as in the states? I'm not saying that the transportation of weapons in the subway is prohibited and a person with a barrel would be immediately packed if found. And God forbid, he would make sudden movements. And as the shooter at the station, the outfit would first shoot, and then they would already find out who is to blame and who attacked whom. The metro is a strategic facility with a large number of people and is potentially extremely terrorist-prone.

          if he gave a person the right to a weapon, then he can ride with him on public transport, go to the cinema, etc. so usual with us.
          By the way, unlike the United States, where almost all states oblige the covert carrying in Israel, weapons are allowed to be carried openly.

          a person is given the right to whine not only for self-defense, but also for the protection of other citizens around him. therefore, in crowded places, citizens with weapons are just wanted.
          in principle, the system works.
        2. Cympak
          Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 37
          +4
          In Israel, in general, the number of weapons among citizens on the streets is striking. And, for some reason, no shootings or clarification of the relationship with his help occurs.
        3. boni592807
          boni592807 9 October 2021 16: 19
          -1
          Your question is fascinating. wink You yourself, having asked HIM, immediately answered. Do you understand or what ?! hi
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 October 2021 22: 31
    +1
    Quote: g1v2
    There is a police force at every metro station. All questions - to the staff on duty at the station. Again, everyone is alive, and the attackers are arrested. Now let's imagine a shootout at a subway station. How many victims will there be? And will the victim himself survive?

    You don't even need to imagine. It is forbidden to use weapons in the subway.
  • Vladimir Lenin
    Vladimir Lenin 8 October 2021 22: 33
    -1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    But what if three thugs in the subway will beat you to death ... and no one rushes to save you?

    Will you be able to reach and use a weapon when you are knocked to the floor and kicked by three thugs ?! Are you John Wick ?!
    1. Vadim Kukhtiev
      Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 06: 53
      -1
      You, most likely not, although I somehow managed to use a gas cylinder, but those around me are quite.
    2. MauZerR
      MauZerR 13 October 2021 16: 03
      0
      John Wick also did not use weapons when he was kicked by the same three thugs. He had no weapon with him.
  • Archon
    Archon 9 October 2021 08: 06
    +4
    Will they even be allowed into the subway with a short-barrel? Maybe the main problem is that no one will rush to save?
  • 210ox
    210ox 8 October 2021 18: 56
    +7
    We had a case in the area. The farmer shot two extortionists. They came to him with force and he used his own in response. But he sat down for the murder - he put one in the back in a fever, when he saw his accomplice torn up with buckshot and rushed to run away. The man served time. And he took off on the run. For on the way out, he also laid down the third, who then survived many years ago. This is about our life, weapons and death.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 39
      +5
      Quote: 210ox
      This is about our life, weapons and death.

      the farmer did the right thing, it is better to condemn four than two to bear
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 October 2021 14: 36
        +2
        Well, why kill afterwards? Of this trinity, only one remained. Did it come to blood feud, or did the farmer bear all this for more than one year and decided to play it safe? By the way, his photo is still on the wanted list in the ROVD. He is probably no longer alive. Weapon ownership carries a very serious responsibility. And then it seems to have come down to instinct.
    2. your1970
      your1970 9 October 2021 23: 58
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      But he sat down for the murder - he put one in the back in a fever, when he saw his accomplice torn up with buckshot and rushed to run away.

      And this is already an article everywhere in the world where there is a COP ...
  • Vladimir_Sibiryak
    Vladimir_Sibiryak 17 October 2021 21: 30
    0
    Die in the queue, but do not break the queue, this is the basis of order and justice. So breaking the queue should be equated to an attempted murder and allowed to shoot at such an aggressor on the spot. Then ours, even out of fear of dying, will learn to keep in line.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 8 October 2021 13: 10
    0
    Quote: raw174
    Is that the kind of humor you have?

    It is useless to prove something to those who have no brains, but at the same time they sacredly believe in their exceptional genius. This is the Internet, his mother, in which it is the brainless pontoreses that are most active ...

    Whoever needs it, maybe with his bare hands, protect himself from street gopota (in extreme cases, a piano string to help). And whoever they really want to get, then at least give out the gun, they will get it anyway.

    ...
    Oh schazz, poop will fall at me for sure ...)))
    1. AUL
      AUL 8 October 2021 15: 11
      +7
      Quote: Al_lexx

      Whoever needs it, maybe with his bare hands, protect himself from street gopota (in extreme cases, a piano string to help). And whoever they really want to get, then at least give out the gun, they will get it anyway.

      Alexey, tell me honestly, how old are you? I think a little. Therefore, cock here with bare hands against the gopota. And if grandfather is walking with his granddaughter, and then a drunken gopota begins to mock him, what should he do - pull out the piano string? My father-in-law (the kingdom of heaven to him), a 79-year-old old man, a front-line soldier, was almost beaten to death by a drunken gopot. Do you think they were robbed? No, we just practiced karate and boxing techniques on it. Well, the ambulance made it in time.
      As for the article - quite expected distortions, half-truths and omissions. To list all the bloopers is too lazy.
      1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 October 2021 15: 29
        +6
        Quote: AUL
        Alexey, tell me honestly, how old are you? I think a little. Therefore, cock here with bare hands against the gopota. And if grandfather is walking with his granddaughter, and then a drunken gopota begins to mock him, what should he do - pull out the piano string? My father-in-law (the kingdom of heaven to him), a 79-year-old old man, a front-line soldier, was almost beaten to death by a drunken gopot. Do you think they were robbed? No, we just practiced karate and boxing techniques on it. Well, the ambulance made it in time.
        As for the article - quite expected distortions, half-truths and omissions. To list all the bloopers is too lazy.


        You know, Alexander Yuryevich, as a professional lawyer with 17 years of practical experience, I will say that if your father-in-law had a firearm and hit someone, it is far from the fact that he could prove that it was self-defense on his part, that the limits of that self-defense were not exceeded, etc ...
        Pay attention, your father-in-law was beaten by a group of people. Group! these persons were familiar with each other, therefore, they would have given consistent testimony against your father-in-law, for example: the old man first began to dig and teach their life, they, like humble lambs, listened, but the old man got angry, began shaking his fists, then tried to calm him down, but he opened fire ...

        Unfortunately, our legislation and law enforcement practice are structured in such a way that it is extremely difficult for an honest law-abiding citizen to protect himself from street punks.
        No matter how funny, but the best way to protect yourself (I'm not laughing, not mocking, I am absolutely serious) is to run at breakneck speed !!!

        Believe me, I did not want to offend you or express disrespect in any way ...
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 13
          +4
          Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          You know, Alexander Yuryevich, as a professional lawyer with 17 years of practical experience, I will say that if your father-in-law had a firearm and hit someone, it is far from the fact that he could prove that it was self-defense on his part, that the limits of that self-defense were not exceeded, etc ...

          it is preferable to prove your case in court than to be post-mortem, recognized by the authorities as a victim.
        2. Vadim Kukhtiev
          Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 06: 59
          -1
          But here, I agree, the law enforcement practice must be radically changed. And this is not difficult to do, there are only three points:
          1) we cancel the article "exceeding the limits of self-defense" in view of its absurdity.
          2) All "self-defense" cases are considered only by a jury
          3) The jury's verdict cannot be challenged for formal reasons, by the higher courts.
      2. raw174
        raw174 8 October 2021 15: 38
        +1
        Quote: AUL
        robbed? No, we just practiced karate and boxing techniques on it.

        And if he had a pistol, they would also have taken it away ... Then with its help they would have committed a crime, and the grandfather would have been responsible for negligence according to the law.
        What a naive babble about the fact that if I have a trunk, then I don't care for gopniks. Do you personally have any experience of owning at least some kind of weapon?
        1. AUL
          AUL 8 October 2021 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: raw174
          Do you personally have any experience of owning at least some kind of weapon?

          1 year SKS No. ЖЯ2482. 72 - 73 years old. And what?
          1. raw174
            raw174 8 October 2021 15: 47
            +2
            Quote: AUL
            1 year SKS No. ЖЯ2482. 72 - 73 years old. And what?

            Security apparently ... I am sure that a person who has real experience and experience in the possession of weapons cannot so sacredly believe that in a critical situation, in civilian life, weapons will actually save him.
            1. AUL
              AUL 8 October 2021 17: 26
              0
              Quote: raw174
              Security apparently ...

              Almost guessed .. laughing ... Air defense. Interface and display systems. System "Dimension"
            2. raw174
              raw174 8 October 2021 17: 29
              +2
              Quote: AUL
              Almost guessed

              I thought SCS is a carbine laughing
            3. AUL
              AUL 8 October 2021 18: 04
              0
              You thought correctly. I fired it 2 times at the shooting range and cleaned it 3 times in the barracks. And in the workplace, underground, electronic subsystems were my weapon.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 8 October 2021 16: 35
    0
    Quote: AUL
    Alexey, tell me honestly, how old are you? I think a little.

    It's good what you think. Although, it is possible that it only seems to you.
    I'm 60 with a tail. I've seen enough different people. Traveled the entire former Soviet Union from Riga to Magadan and certainly not for you to tell me what and how is decided in the gateway. Communicated with academics and scourges and even real killers.
    If you cannot stand up for yourself without a trunk, then natural selection has not worked in your favor. Give it to you, so you would rather shoot yourself or someone else.
    Quote: AUL
    My father-in-law (the kingdom of heaven to him), a 79-year-old old man, a front-line soldier, was almost beaten to death by a drunken gopot.

    It's called "Here at Me." On a national scale, where the laws of large numbers are in effect, this "But for me" does not work.

    There are official statistics from the United States (which is not difficult to find if there is a desire, this is not secret data), which unequivocally states that in the same Chicago, thousands (THOUSANDS) of people die from "household firearms" in a year. I don't really like that sometimes our police cannot protect law-abiding citizens from armed gopots. But I don't like the prospect even more that armed dumbbell hipsters and other brainless euro-youth will be rushing through the streets, who will be driven into the army and who often will hardly understand until old age what real responsibility for someone else's life is.
    Briefly speaking. I don't fucking need the Makhnovism here, to which you and others like you here are calling! And I don't need to poke in my ears here that a criminal always has a weapon, and you have one. Maybe because you still live, because in your hands and arms like you do not yet have a weapon!
    1. AUL
      AUL 8 October 2021 17: 51
      +6
      Quote: Al_lexx
      It's good what you think. Although, it is possible that it only seems to you.

      Well, judging by the boorish style of your answer, about your "60s with a tail" you are very disingenuous. wink By the way, even if this is so (even if), you should not wave it around to prove you are right. For example, I feel good over 70, but this is not an argument for my permanent rightness.

      Quote: AUL
      My father-in-law (the kingdom of heaven to him), a 79-year-old old man, a front-line soldier, was almost beaten to death by a drunken gopot.

      It's called "Here at Me." On a national scale, where the laws of large numbers are in effect, this "But for me" does not work.
      This is a fundamentally wrong statement. It seems that you have no idea about the laws of statistical physics and distributions on large samples.
      Quote: Al_lexx
      I don't really like that sometimes our police cannot protect law-abiding citizens from armed gopots.

      Well, yes, "if someone, here and there, sometimes ..."
      Maybe because you still live, that in your hands and arms like you do not yet have a weapon!
      Even if I have a weapon, sleep well - I'm not going to look for you!
  • g1v2
    g1v2 8 October 2021 16: 57
    +3
    And so the gopota would also take the barrel away from him and kill him, so that he could not tell who took the pistol from him. And then someone else from his trunk. An old man with a barrel is a gift for any gang of gopniks.
    Well, or another alignment. He shoots a gang of minors and sits down for killing a juvenile. And our compassionate people will furiously demand to punish the infanticide.
    1. Kars
      Kars 9 October 2021 22: 15
      +2
      The girl is old, he doesn't care. And a couple of scumbags in the cemetery.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 40
    +2
    Quote: AUL
    As for the article - quite expected distortions, half-truths and omissions. List all bloopers too lazy

    all right
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 8 October 2021 15: 20
    +3
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: raw174
    And how will having a pistol in the hands of citizens harm the authorities?

    Well, for example, in the case of legalization, it will be necessary either to abolish the bailiff service, or to arm it with tanks and armored personnel carriers.


    No, not the Bailiff Service will have to be abolished, but all kinds of collectors.
    1. Vadim Kukhtiev
      Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 10
      +2
      In the States, there are still private "bounty hunters", despite the abundance of weapons, no one canceled them.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 8 October 2021 15: 33
    -1
    And the marginalized will solve their problems in the simplest way. laughing
    1. Kars
      Kars 9 October 2021 22: 15
      +2
      Will they take a loan for a pistol?
  • Swallow
    Swallow 18 October 2021 13: 26
    +1
    What the hell is this? The pistol is the weakest (in terms of energy) weapon. Now in the hands of the population are millions of units of much more powerful weapons. Why aren't bailiffs on armored personnel carriers? laughing
  • YOUR
    YOUR 8 October 2021 12: 56
    +3
    Quote: raw174
    What is not satisfied with the trauma?

    So it was attributed to the fighting. limited defeat.
    1. raw174
      raw174 8 October 2021 13: 47
      0
      Quote: YOUR
      Quote: raw174
      What is not satisfied with the trauma?

      So it was attributed to the fighting. limited defeat.

      So what? What is the problem then? Get a license, buy and go, beat the scumbag in the entrance and basement! The main thing is to remain a person yourself ...
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 8 October 2021 14: 33
        +5
        Uh-huh go and defend and defend so you will be judged. Remind you of Alexandra Lotkova's case?
        Two years like a bush.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 13: 12
    +6
    Quote: raw174
    since in order to resist an armed man, you need not a pistol, but a special character.

    This is another matter. It is corny, in most cases, you will not be able to use this weapon. The criminal always has it ready, but you don't.
    1. raw174
      raw174 8 October 2021 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
      The criminal always has it ready, but you don't.

      Ordinary people often think that the barrel in a holster automatically makes it stronger, that having received the coveted pistol, it will sow goodness around the world and the larger the caliber, the more goodness. The vast majority of these people have no real experience in the possession and use of firearms.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 13: 56
        +8
        The common people don't think so ... so the opponents of the short-barreled think so.
        The townsfolk think how to save themselves when bandits start cutting them.
        1. raw174
          raw174 8 October 2021 14: 11
          -2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The townsfolk think how to save themselves when bandits start cutting them.

          For the hundredth time I ask, is the injury worse? A pistol is not a means of protection, but hemorrhoids, primarily for owners. Questions of storage, maintenance, carrying ... Thefts will begin, responsibility for them, children again ...
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 14: 50
            +5
            The trauma is worse because the responsibility for him is weaker ... people drag him with them wherever they go and fire him in road showdowns without thinking about criminal liability.
            For me, if you pulled out a weapon during a quarrel on the road, in a store or somewhere else, immediately a year in prison and deprivation of the rights to a weapon forever. hi
            1. raw174
              raw174 8 October 2021 17: 32
              +2
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              people carry it with them wherever they go and fire it in road showdowns without thinking about criminal liability.

              I believe that if the short-barreled is allowed, it will be the same with the only difference that others may suffer, even if cartridges of reduced power, such as PPO from PM 9 mm, are used in the police.
            2. your1970
              your1970 8 October 2021 22: 13
              +2
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              For me, if you pulled out a weapon during a quarrel on the road, in a store or somewhere else, immediately a year in prison and deprivation of the rights to a weapon forever.

              You have almost literally described the laws of the United States and Moldova. There you can't just take out a weapon - it means that there is no threat to your life. When you get it, you start shooting. Otherwise, they can't
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 18
            +1
            Quote: raw174
            For the hundredth time I ask, the worse is the injury? The gun is not a remedy, but hemorrhoids
            Trauma is useless. A shot from the PM in the knee is guaranteed to stop the aggression. A shot from a trauma to the knee will simply make you go astray (this is not about the old Wasp, she was banned, we are talking about the injuries available now). A shot from a trauma to the head in court will be no different from a shot from a PM.
            1. raw174
              raw174 8 October 2021 17: 40
              +3
              Quote: bk0010
              A shot from the PM in the knee is guaranteed to stop the aggression. A shot from an injury to the knee will just make you lose your stride.

              A shot from a PM in the knee is most likely a disability and a problem for the shooter, because in this case the victim can easily become an aggressor and vice versa, but that's okay, I am more amused by your pearl about the shot down step from a shot to the knee, despite the fact that you equated this shot in the head, to a shot from the PM ... Well, on occasion, knock yourself a step out of trauma, it will not work exactly for a couple or three days.
              I assure you that 99% of hooligans and street gopots, only at the sight of trauma, without its use, will scatter.
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 54
                +3
                Quote: raw174
                Well, on occasion, knock yourself a step out of trauma, it won't work exactly for a couple or three days.
                You still have an idea of ​​old traumas. They were banned.
                Quote: raw174
                I assure you that 99% of hooligans and street gopots, only at the sight of trauma, without its use, will scatter.
                On the contrary, now, when they see a gun, they are not afraid - they think that it is a trauma. Only if both in form and with weapons is taken seriously.
          3. Vadim Kukhtiev
            Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 15
            -1
            I have already answered this question about trauma. It is bad with seeming non-lethality, on the one hand, it sharply reduces the threshold for application, on the other, there is no fear of trauma.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 8 October 2021 14: 16
          +4
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The common people don't think so ... so the opponents of the short-barreled think so.
          The townsfolk think how to save themselves when bandits start cutting them.

          I am for permission, but in our society, which is tightly politicized and psycho-morally unstable, it is impossible to "distribute patrons", but this is my subjective IMH.
          But the fact that the authorities see themselves as a threat in "resolution" is already an objective reality.
          So it makes no sense to pour from empty to empty. yes
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 14: 46
            +2
            I agree. hi
            Empty graters ... and opponents and supporters of the short-barreled will not prove anything to each other.
            They live in too different dimensions.
          2. raw174
            raw174 8 October 2021 15: 41
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            the fact that the authorities see themselves as a threat in the "resolution" is already an objective reality.

            Whom do you call power in this case and how is the threat expressed?
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 20
              +2
              Quote: raw174
              Security apparently ... I am sure that a person who has real experience and experience in the possession of weapons cannot so sacredly believe that in a critical situation, in civilian life, weapons will actually save him.

              you do not seem to quite understand what a personal weapon is, what incidents happen in life, and so on.
              a weapon is by no means a panacea, and often it can push you to look for problems, but in certain situations it can and saved lives.
              not as often as in movies but still.
              1. raw174
                raw174 8 October 2021 16: 45
                -1
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                you don't seem to quite understand what a personal weapon is

                In the sense of the official? In general, I am a hunter, I have been accustomed to a gun since childhood, I now have 2 units, smooth, so I understand.
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                it may have saved lives.
                not as often as in movies but still.

                I am incomparably more populated with problems from arming with a short-barreled barreled.
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 50
                  0
                  Quote: raw174
                  In the sense of the official? In general, I am a hunter, I have been accustomed to a gun since childhood, I now have 2 units, smooth, so I understand.

                  I'm talking about carrying weapons in a city where there are a lot of people. the forest, as far as I know, is not densely populated. we are not discussing hunting problems.

                  Quote: raw174
                  I am incomparably more populated with problems from arming with a short-barrel

                  do you want to give an example or is it just your feeling?
                2. raw174
                  raw174 8 October 2021 17: 49
                  0
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  we are not discussing hunting problems.

                  I say that I have owned a firearm for a long time, I regularly shoot it, yes, not at people, but nevertheless, I believe that I have a sufficient culture of gun ownership.
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  I'm talking about carrying weapons in a city where there are a lot of people

                  Yes, I happened to carry a weapon in the city, but a short-barreled (service), secretly.
      2. Whowhy
        8 October 2021 14: 50
        0
        And ordinary people do not think that their chances of salvation will sharply decrease when everyone has a weapon? wink
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 8 October 2021 15: 01
          +4
          When your own life or the life of your loved ones is at stake, you only think how to save them ... no matter with or without weapons ... if only there was a chance ... and when you have nothing at hand and the police do not get through, all you have to do is trust in the Lord God.
          There were such cases.
          With all due respect to the experts' experience, this is just their personal experience ... most of them have not been attacked by drunken thugs or drug addicts.
          I had a chance to experience it on my own skin .... Thank God I was young .... and my health did not disappoint, survived. smile
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 49
            0
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            When your own life or the life of your loved ones is at stake, you only think how to save them.

            all right
        2. Firelake
          Firelake 10 October 2021 11: 09
          -3
          And ordinary people do not think that their chances of salvation will sharply decrease when everyone has a weapon? 

          On the contrary, they will increase. The quietest countries in Europe are Switzerland and Finland, who drink heavily. Why is there no rampant banditry and other things. Maybe you need to change the staff and not rearrange the beds?
        3. Vadim Kukhtiev
          Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 20
          0
          Everyone who needs it already has it. A criminal will not always shoot, there is a difference: to sit down for aggravated murder or for theft or robbery.
      3. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 48
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The common people don't think so ... so the opponents of the short-barreled think so.
        The townsfolk think how to save themselves when bandits start cutting them.

        that's right, here we go through the industrial zone and towards the three dark personalities, what will you do? or a flock of large wild dogs, I personally put my large-caliber toothless (developed for the KGB, pierces a bulletproof vest at 50 meters if with lead, not rubber, but it's a pity it's very quiet, almost silent, the dogs are not so afraid of it as they should) I put it in my pocket under the right hand during an evening walk, or terrain with the likelihood of similar situations
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 14: 35
      -1
      All this hysteria around the short-barrel is needed as the main appeal to our domestic arms business. And all these arguments about the usefulness of the short-barreled among ordinary citizens in terms of ensuring order on the streets is bullshit. To legalize a short-trunk, even if it is not really selfish motives, is like treating symptoms, not a disease.
    3. Cympak
      Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 46
      +1
      Well, who bothers to train in practical shooting clubs. With such arguments, it is also necessary to prohibit private persons from driving vehicles: they are not professionals, but, suddenly, an accident, and, suddenly, someone will be injured ...
      The truth is that officials, judges and law enforcement agencies are afraid of their own people. they do not serve the people, but a group of persons who privatized the country.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 50
        -1
        Quote: Cympak
        The truth is that officials, judges and law enforcement agencies are afraid of their own people. they do not serve the people, but a group of persons who privatized the country.

        to point
      2. raw174
        raw174 10 October 2021 08: 33
        0
        Quote: Cympak
        Well, who bothers to train in practical shooting clubs.

        Lack of time, money and desire, for example ... Owning and operating a weapon is not cheap. My 12/76 cartridge costs from 35 to 50 rubles, on average, how much do I shoot at skeet? No! I only shoot at game ...
      3. Vadim Kukhtiev
        Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 24
        0
        Sorry, but this is nonsense. If it is necessary to overwhelm a representative of the authorities, it is more convenient to do this at a distance from the "Tiger", at worst, to construct "the death of the chairman" from the MP-27.
        Here's to the police, an abundance of COP, yes, a serious firebrand. I think from here the ears grow.
    4. deddem
      deddem 9 October 2021 08: 54
      -1
      Quote from the classics:
      I know how great it feels with the gun. Your eyes emit death rays, your tail is like a pipe, you are three meters tall, and you are covered with fur. You are ready for anything and you even kind of hope that you will find this something. This is what is dangerous about the cannon - because you are not like that. You are a weak, hairless embryo that is remarkably easy to kill. You can carry an assault rifle with an aiming range of two thousand meters and isotope grenades that can blow up a hill, but you still do not have eyes on the back of your head, like a Janus bird, and you still cannot see in the dark, like pygmies of Tethys. Death can hug you from behind while you draw a cross on something in front of you.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 14
    0
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    The criminal always has it ready, but you don't.
    But these are my problems. There would be something to keep ready.
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 8 October 2021 13: 40
    +10
    Quote: raw174
    The argument that the perpetrator has a pistol and the victim does not is not valid

    More than wealthy. Let's take it straight from the article.
    In 1994, I was there on a business trip to the DEA, in Washington (then the population there was about 700 thousand people). The chief of police was asked about the "firearms" crimes. The answer is that 200 (!) People were killed in just one year.

    By the way, yes. In the District of Columbia, the short-barrels are exclusive to the security forces and criminals. For the rest - at the level of statistical error. For no way. Well, in theory it is possible, but with such a mass of restrictions that it is still not possible. Now look at the statistics for the states where the short-barreled turnover is simplified as much as possible. There, such murders, per capita, are several times less. One people, but different rules for the circulation of weapons, and where it is prohibited ... This is where the bulk of the murders take place.
    1. riddik70
      riddik70 8 October 2021 15: 01
      +5
      I'll hold you completely. Israel is confirmation of this!
    2. AUL
      AUL 8 October 2021 16: 05
      +6
      And one more point that opponents of civilian weapons always diligently keep silent about. They provide statistics on crimes committed with the help of a firearm, but they never specify what percentage of them were committed with the help LEGAL weapons! And at least eat illegal weapons in the country! Therefore, we have so many street brave men!
      I believe that, first of all, it is necessary to extremely tighten the terms for illegal weapons, and bring the law enforcement practice regarding self-defense to a fair and logical form. And then according to the law - you can defend yourself, but according to judicial practice - no way!
    3. Whowhy
      8 October 2021 16: 09
      +3
      By the way, yes. In the District of Columbia, the short-barrels are exclusive to the security forces and criminals. For the rest - at the level of statistical error. For no way. Well, in theory it is possible, but with such a mass of restrictions that it is still not possible.

      But local operas said that in disadvantaged areas, where the police are afraid to even show their nose, it is not at all uncommon for a truck to stop right on the street and start selling weapons from it. everyone in a row.
      Now look at the statistics for the states where the short-barreled turnover is simplified as much as possible. There, such murders, per capita, are several times less. One nation, but different rules for the circulation of weapons, and where it is prohibited ... This is where the bulk of the murders take place.

      "It is foolish to explain such a complex social phenomenon as crime by the presence or absence of weapons of the population."
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 8 October 2021 16: 41
        +6
        Quote: whowhy
        But local operatives said that in disadvantaged areas, where the police are afraid to even show their nose, it is not uncommon for a truck to stop right on the street and start selling weapons to everyone.

        Ugums. And I told a couple of Canadians on a cube that bears walk behind my fence. By the way, they believed.
        And so ... In the District of Columbia in general, and in Washington in particular, you not only will not buy a pistol, legally, but also risk sitting down, for a completely official one, if you venture to smuggle it from more sane states. Even if you don't wear it, leave it in your suitcase or glove compartment. Yeah.
        In the usa, privately owned, under 800 art guns. From the 18th century to quite adequate. Hundreds of krupnyakov, and simple machine guns and other full-auto ... Echelons. It was forbidden to resell such stuff for 30 years. And to own is quite. And somehow nothing. Neither the city is demolished by air raids, nor the korvans, with krupnyakami and RPGs are not gouged.
        Quote: whowhy
        It is foolish to explain such a complex social phenomenon as crime by the presence or absence of weapons of the population

        Oh how. Those. the crime rate does not depend on whether you have a weapon in your hands or not, but you are against the right of people to buy a short-barrel because .... People will buy weapons, and the crime rate will increase, although this level does not depend on the availability of weapons. what Sorry. I cannot master such logic.
        1. Whowhy
          8 October 2021 16: 53
          -1
          "Oh, how. That is, the crime rate does not depend on whether there is a weapon on hand, or not, but you are against the right of people to buy a short-barreled barrel because .... People will buy weapons, and the crime rate will increase, although from the presence this level does not depend on weapons. what Sorry. I can't master this logic.

          The work of understanding the text is very different from the "work" of recognizing familiar words in a sentence .... lol
          Ugums. And I told a couple of Canadians on a cube that bears walk behind my fence. By the way, they believed.

          Well, yes - going personal is by far the strongest argument.
          1. Cympak
            Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 51
            0
            If the author is at odds with logic, then the "transition to personalities" has nothing to do with it.
        2. Firelake
          Firelake 10 October 2021 11: 15
          +1
          I absolutely agree with you. The author presented his statistics without comparative analysis by state and without using statistics for Europe. And even made a hint that they drink in Russia. I already wrote in the comments above that in Europe most of the weapons are owned by the population in quite prosperous Scandinavia where they drink worse than ours. But this does not fit the conclusions of our author, therefore, into the furnace. The article is one-sided and wretched ...
          And we also have there about the order from the weapons lobby ... the arm is shorter ..
      2. Cympak
        Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 49
        +2
        But local operatives said that in disadvantaged areas, where the police are afraid to even show their nose, it is not uncommon for a truck to stop right on the street and start selling weapons to everyone.

        And what does the legalization of weapons have to do with it? Are you talking about illegal sales? Where is the logic?
        1. Whowhy
          9 October 2021 13: 35
          0
          And you, therefore, are another victim of the exam - are you unable to relate this phrase to the context?
          1. Cympak
            Cympak 10 October 2021 00: 42
            -1
            I did not find the Unified State Exam, but I studied logic, and the author, you see, is one of those who "are not taken into astronauts" because of the "humanitarian mindset." What kind of psychologist are you when you have professional deformations, cognitive distortions and manipulations all the time?
      3. Revival
        Revival 9 October 2021 02: 51
        +4
        That is, in essence, you have nothing to answer these statistics?
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 8 October 2021 19: 08
    +3
    As for the "teenage complexes" in very adult uncles.
    Yes, there are. And, if you reduce the question to an absurdity, to an ideal desire - give ONLY to me, and the rest, as it were, do not need ...
    And for a reasonable person, the fear of being shot on a level (and anywhere) place should make you think.

    You can also say that now in Russia police arrests and checks are very humane and polite. Just take a look at a similar selection of videos in the USA! This, by our standards, is just a nightmare ...
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 11 October 2021 18: 10
    -1
    The whole article is bullshit ... To intimidate the layman and confirm his exclusivity - service under the state that gave the right to ...
    In general, we should not talk about the free sale of a short barrel in general, but about the possibility of acquiring, using it in shooting ranges and shooting ranges on a legal basis, as, for example, a shooting enthusiast who does this for his own pleasure, and not to achieve sports results, although according to as skills develop and they will appear ..
  • Vadim Kukhtiev
    Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 06: 36
    +2
    Trauma is a very harmful, dangerous thing. The whole trouble is not lethality, but, accordingly, the lack of consequences of use. On the one hand, the owner does not perceive it as a lethal weapon, for the use of which there are good chances to go to places not so distant for a long time, which sharply reduces the threshold of use, on the other hand, the trauma is not perceived by the enemy as a serious weapon and they are asking for trouble , in the (well-founded) hope that the thick jacket will weaken the bullet and not cause serious injury. Meanwhile, trauma, in case of an unsuccessful coincidence of circumstances or deliberate use to defeat the vital zones of the enemy, perfectly inflicts serious bodily harm, and it can even kill.
  • zenion
    zenion 14 October 2021 01: 02
    -1
    raw174. There is a weapon, or there is no weapon, and the point is whether a person wants to kill another person. For someone who wants to kill a weapon it is not necessary, man is armed with nature. You can kill with your finger, beveled on the neck. Grab the head and hit the knee with the chin and break the neck. Even in ancient times, multi-barreled samopals were made, which could kill five people at a time from close range, and a dozen more with an ax. It is necessary to educate the citizens of the country in this way, here the state must work by personal example, not offending the people and not driving the people to the desire to kill someone, if he cannot kill the one who sits high and steers all this. People know from which end the fish spoils. The tail works and leads the fish forward, and the fish only eats the mouth of the fish from this guzzle and the brains rot. Nature took care of the chum babies, it twists the jaws of dads and moms and brings them to death. In order for the children of the people to grow up normal, you need to twist the jaws of those who devour the children of the people.
  • Kade_t
    Kade_t 14 October 2021 09: 53
    -1
    What an injury, a criminal has a gun, and even a left one, you will get an injury and you are a corpse. But if a criminal assumes that you, too, may have a combat barrel, he will behave differently.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 8 October 2021 13: 25
    +5
    the authorities will not harm themselves.


    The firearm is not a danger to the authorities. Most people want to hang politicians, not shoot. laughing
  • Finches
    Finches 8 October 2021 11: 13
    -6
    On the other hand, such legalization will undoubtedly lead to a significant decrease in the safety of life in Russia, an increase in social tension, total fear and hopelessness of existence.


    Absolutely correct conclusion! Well, his, this short-barreled out of harm's way!
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 8 October 2021 11: 20
      +10
      Yes, everything is clear with you. To hold and not to let go. The people are not worthy, bad people. hopelessness of existence completely different factors lead people now, and by no means a permit or a ban on the legalization of weapons.
      1. Finches
        Finches 8 October 2021 11: 22
        -2
        No need to juggle! Our people are wonderful, but this fact has nothing to do with the legalization of the short-barrel! Just as its legalization will not correct the situation with hopelessness of existence , this is 100%, but it will worsen everything!
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 8 October 2021 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: Finches
          Our people are wonderful

          Only now the author forgot to mention the fact that the aggressiveness of our people, or rather, of some of its representatives, by the way, not so small in number, is growing in direct proportion to the fall in the standard of living. An elementary example: on the roads, because of a small conflict situation, they are ready to bite each other.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 13: 17
            0
            Quote: Polite Elk
            the aggressiveness of our people, or rather, of its individual representatives, by the way, not so small in number, is growing in direct proportion to the fall in the standard of living.

            Exactly. Therefore, only an economy in which a person has a high level of well-being will be able to radically solve the problem of crime by simply destroying its basis. And this can only be a socialist economy.
            1. Vadim Kukhtiev
              Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 33
              +2
              Something in the socialist economy with crime, and the most diverse, for 70 years have not been dealt with.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 12 October 2021 17: 25
                -1
                Quote: Vadim Kukhtiev
                Something in the socialist economy with crime, and the most diverse, for 70 years have not been dealt with.

                So it was not possible to build it for a number of reasons even in the first phase. Naturally, with a fairly low standard of living and commodity-money relations, you will not be able to overcome crime to a large extent. But under socialism this is possible, but under capitalism, even theoretically, it is not.
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 34
            +4
            Quote: Polite Elk
            Only now the author forgot to mention the fact that the aggressiveness of our people

            the aggressiveness of peoples is different. do not think that in Russia all the aggressive and the rest of the world are lambs. it's not like that at all.
            I can cite as an example the country in which I live, Israel.
            Jews are on average quite aggressive and easily irritated quickly.
            in the store, queues and of course on the roads. I will not say that everyone has a barrel here, but there are about 200 tons of permits for carrying.
            with a population of about 9 mil. (about 20% Arabs who usually have more weapons but illegal)

            cases of illegal use of pistols are rare but rare. as a rule, they shoot at the unfaithful wife, themselves on trifles.

            that is, there is an aggressive people, there are weapons, but they did not shoot each other. while.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 8 October 2021 17: 01
              0
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              the aggressiveness of peoples is different. do not think that in Russia all the aggressive and the rest of the world are lambs. it's not like that at all.

              I don’t think so. It's just that the more injustice becomes around and the fewer opportunities people have to earn honestly, the more aggressive they become. If you remember, in the 90s we already went through this.
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              cases of illegal use of pistols are rare but rare.

              When there is something to lose, what is the point of waving the barrel for a trifling reason and going to jail because of some kind of priest? And here, unfortunately, the percentage of people wishing to play Rambo is quite high. Especially drunk.
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              weapons are available but each other is not shot. while.

              If you start shooting each other there, Israel will not last long. hi
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 17: 10
                +3
                Quote: Polite Elk
                If you start shooting each other there, Israel will not last long.

                having opened the Old Testament, one can be convinced that the instinct of gnawing with fellow citizens is in our blood. drinks
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 8 October 2021 17: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  you can make sure that the instinct to gyzt fellow citizens is in our blood.

                  Hopefully this is not a basic instinct. drinks
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 8 October 2021 13: 35
          +6
          Eugene, how has the situation deteriorated in Moldova, where such weapons are allowed? Or Estonia? In Switzerland?
          We live in a lie that the authorities constantly pour out on us. Therefore, people are embittered in the mass.
          1. Finches
            Finches 8 October 2021 16: 08
            -3
            I will not speak for other states, I do not live there. In Moldova, even Moldovans are left with a couple of tsigans, the rest are working in Europe, and in Russia, personally, I am against legalization because I have experience of life in Russia! hi
          2. Whowhy
            8 October 2021 16: 17
            0
            how has the situation deteriorated in Moldova, where such weapons are allowed? Or Estonia?

            On the one hand, you correctly wrote: "We live in a lie that the authorities constantly pour out on us" - the main thing is not the facts, but their interpretation ... they also crap).
            In Switzerland?
            And Switzerland is like a big village - almost everyone there knows everyone and knocks on each other like sewing machines. So you will not be spoiled ... request
          3. Revival
            Revival 9 October 2021 04: 42
            +5
            Well, what do you think is an excuse answer, like, but in Moldova and Estonia, everyone left for other countries and no one lives there, so they are not an indicator))))
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 55
              +1
              Quote: Revival
              Well, what do you think is an excuse answer, like, but in Moldova and Estonia, everyone left for other countries and no one lives there, so they are not an indicator))))

              all opponents of short-barreled are liars and this is their usual excuse
            2. Galleon
              Galleon 9 October 2021 13: 54
              +1
              I am not offended by Evgeny, we are already longtime friends in VO, so we excuse each other for some weaknesses. How could he answered: my question was from the category that sticks to the wall, whatever one may say. The main thing is that a person wrote sincerely, and not out of duty, as some category of commentators does. There are not enough strong arguments for every conviction.
              But we are quite unanimous with you on this and many other issues. drinks
              1. Revival
                Revival 9 October 2021 14: 08
                +2
                Good afternoon!
                In this matter, I speak not so much for the cop, as first for the correction of the "excess of the necessary defense", since now this problem is shamefully turned upside down.
                And with the supporters of the prohibition of cs, I enter into an argument rather for their observance of logic, I highlight their distortions, and to a question similar to the one you asked, there has never been a sane answer and will not be, since they have 2 main options:
                1) Or write that the people there are better, and ours are bad (it turns out awkwardly);
                2) or write that "this is different" (looks stupid).

                Therefore, they are mostly silent "in a rag", like I did not see the comment ...
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 11 October 2021 09: 52
                  -1
                  Hello!
                  Our points of view on this issue coincide completely. Changing the law on self-defense, and short-handed is already a question for those who do not mind spending 100-200-300 thousand rubles. To protect the house and yourself in the house, a cop is not needed.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 8 October 2021 11: 34
        -7
        Quote: Crowe
        People are not worthy, bad people

        what does one have to do with the other?
        prohibitions have nothing to do with the merits of a particular people
        examples are enough
        Let's Legalize Marijuana?
        Let's Legalize Prostitution? especially since it is still there.
        in your own words, why not "let go"? or is the Russian people worse than others?
        Alcohol has already been banned
        however, opponents recall only the negative consequences for the Soviet economy
        drink less steel
        now there is no ban, have they started drinking less?
        this is a question for those who constantly repeat the mantra about the ineffectiveness of prohibitions.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 8 October 2021 11: 45
          +11
          what does one have to do with the other?
          The most immediate.
          Let's Legalize Marijuana?
          Let's Legalize Prostitution?
          Do not distort. It’s about allowing law-abiding citizens to get weapons, not drug addicts and people with low social responsibility. Why do normal, adequate people have the right to legal weapons, and others like you, I haven’t heard a clear answer at any discussion.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 8 October 2021 11: 51
            -2
            Quote: Crowe
            Most direct

            This is not an answer
            this is avoiding the answer
            Quote: Crowe
            Don't juggle, it's about allowing law-abiding citizens to get weapons, not drug addicts and people with reduced social responsibility.

            no twitching
            doesn't every third or fourth student indulge in marijuana?
            do only asocial elements use the services of prostitutes?
            where do drug addicts and people with reduced social responsibility?
            it is part of the life of our society
            although not the most attractive
            Quote: Crowe
            you and people like you refuse

            do not hyster
            I have no right to deny you this
            it's not in my power
            but I have the right to my own opinion
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 30
            -5
            Why do you and people like you refuse to normal, adequate people in the right to legal weapons? I have not heard a clear answer at any discussion.

            In Kerch, in Kazan, in Perm, the right to arms was granted to normal, adequate people. But something went wrong ...............
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 09: 08
              +2
              Quote: glory1974
              In Kerch, in Kazan, in Perm, the right to arms was granted to normal, adequate people. But something went wrong ........

              it is undoubtedly and obvious that it was the ban on short-barrels that led to these sad tragedies, so you in vain brought yours (as you naively thought a strong argumentation), do not juggle it so clearly, try to be even a little honest, the reason is in the total aggressive propaganda of the West that forms thugs , there would be no weapons, these scumbags would make a bomb out of fertilizers, but if the students and teachers were armed, then most likely the scumbag would be shot before he put two dozen defenseless people ... in general, all a nasty lie opponents of the short-barreled (that is, human haters who do not like people who believe that the majority are stupid inadequate weaklings and fools, unable to even shoot) in that they diligently prohibit by all means self-defense to the adequate majority, while trying to blabber the fact that thugs will find a way to commit a crime (unscrew the nut on the railway road), while if the majority was armed, it could destroy small thugs
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 11 October 2021 09: 03
                0
                it is unquestionably and obvious that it was the ban on short-barrels that led to these sad tragedies, so you shouldn’t have brought yours (how naively it seemed to you strong argumentation),

                Do you even understand what this is about? I write that there are no guarantees that at the stage of obtaining weapons will be inadequately eliminated.
                So all your other reasoning is past the checkout. Oppose what I did not say.
                1. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 11 October 2021 09: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: glory1974
                  I write that there are no guarantees that at the stage of obtaining weapons, inadequate will be eliminated.

                  there are no such guarantees in the fact that inadequate will not receive the right to drive, or that he will not be drafted into the army, or that he will not rule the whole world, and in general, what is inadequate? first, let's try to understand who is adequate then? Do you know that a million teenagers are playing shooters now, and what inadequate is spreading these games? who gives them to their children? Yes, our entire population is inadequate? not an adequate population, because despite such massive inadequate pressure, they do not kill all of them by 20 people ..., but those who govern the world are inadequate, and they are people like butter, what you put into them is what you get
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 13: 19
            -3
            Quote: Crowe
            Why do you and people like you refuse to normal, adequate people in the right to legal weapons? I have not heard a clear answer at any discussion.

            Because normal, adequate people do not need it. What tasks should normal adequate people solve with the help of weapons?
            1. frog
              frog 8 October 2021 13: 42
              -1
              Sorry, colleague, as for me, there is one (although not one))) nuance (although this is not a nuance, but a huge problem). Namely - I think you are aware of how all these medical examinations and other examinations take place in the overwhelming majority of cases. That when issuing iron, that the rights to manage anything. Hence, we have the sad cases mentioned and a very significant part of the mess on the roads, well, etc. etc. In short - nothing. Naked formality. Although for a long time there have been methods and tests that allow you to determine the necessary features of the psyche ... ... of the client. But who cares? It is clear that the introduction of such approaches dramatically reduces the number of unpleasant consequences. One side. On the other hand .... You need a trained specialist, the programs themselves, the time will increase, because the test is not passed in 15 minutes. Extra costs)))) And one of the main features of a new system is not at all in the fact that it would increase its costs. wink On the other hand, it will be more difficult for one "right kid" to make documents for another "right kid". Do they need it? The likelihood that it will be much easier to figure out the doctor who missed the jerk will also be higher. Do they need it? Well, and, by the way, the likelihood that some of those present, who stand up for the short-barreled, not only do not go through the procedure for obtaining permission for him, but may also be left without rights is also not zero. repeat Do they need it?
              It is extremely difficult to just reach out to the consciousness of a person, because he cannot get it. And all these are replicas of nothing hi
              1. your1970
                your1970 8 October 2021 21: 47
                0
                Quote: frog
                Although for a long time there have been methods and tests that allow you to determine the necessary features of the psyche ... ... of the client.

                It does not exist, alas ... a forensic psycho examination can last up to six months in a hospital and then the result is not always guaranteed ...
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 21
              +2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              What tasks should normal adequate people solve with the help of weapons?
              The task of protecting yourself from inadequate people.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 18: 28
                0
                Quote: bk0010
                The task of protecting yourself from inadequate people.

                Maybe this problem should be solved by someone who is specially trained for this and whose job it is? And maybe it is worth fighting the disease, not the symptoms?
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 8 October 2021 18: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Maybe this problem should be solved by someone who is specially trained for this and whose job it is?
                  What if they can't do it? Lie down and die? At home, you probably have a first-aid kit with medicines, although the ambulance works.
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  And maybe it is worth fighting the disease, not the symptoms?
                  Can you cope with the disease? No? Then don't get in the way. Can you? Why can't you handle it then?
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 18: 45
                    0
                    Quote: bk0010
                    What if they can't do it?

                    See why they fail and find a way to fix it. But certainly not trying to arrange the wild west in your city.
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Can you cope with the disease? No? Then don't get in the way. Can you? Why can't you handle it then?

                    Don't stop you from doing stupid things? Yes please. But only somewhere where I and the rest of the people will not be affected. And this disease cannot be cured with a firearm. To cure it requires a transition to socialism.
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 8 October 2021 21: 56
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      See why they fail and find a way to fix it. But certainly not trying to arrange the wild west in your city.
                      And while they have not corrected, let the citizens be defenseless? The Wild West option is somehow more attractive.
                    2. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 22: 23
                      +2
                      And what do you step over corpses every day when you go to work? A huge number of people die from car accidents. And here there is a real and quite obvious opportunity to greatly reduce the number of deaths. But this question is somehow not particularly raised. But when the question concerns an object with the help of which you can send your neighbor or distant into another world, the wild howl of the short-barrel adepts begins. They can't help but sleep at night without it and will soon die out en masse, unless tomorrow they finally get their toy.
                    3. bk0010
                      bk0010 9 October 2021 00: 33
                      -1
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      They can't help but sleep at night without it and will soon die out en masse, unless tomorrow they finally get their toy.
                      Well, by the way, yes, little by little we are dying out.
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      And what do you step over corpses every day when you go to work?
                      The fact that so far everything is fine does not mean at all that it will continue to be so. The situation can deteriorate within a couple of days or even hours (remember Budyonnovsk). Yes, I have a gun and a shotgun at home, but what good is it if I'm at work?
                    4. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 9 October 2021 10: 22
                      0
                      Quote: bk0010
                      Well, by the way, yes, little by little we are dying out.

                      Yes, we are corny because of the shitty birth rate are dying out. And not because of the lack of legal short-barreled among the population. We are corny dying out because of the capitalist economy. This is what you need to think about first and not about short-stemmed.
          4. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 09: 11
            +1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Maybe this problem should be solved by someone who is specially trained for this and whose job it is? And maybe it is worth fighting the disease, not the symptoms?

            wonderful! I support, please attach a personal bodyguard to me at the state expense (or better at your expense, after all, you attached it), I do not mind, just please not Major Evsyukov tongue
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 9 October 2021 11: 34
              -1
              And that someone is following you? There is no need to exaggerate.
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 10 October 2021 08: 04
                0
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                No need to exaggerate

                No one is following me, but a bodyguard would be useful just in case, sometimes I go to get money, sometimes I go in the evenings, I visit places where I haven’t been before, I meet with strangers on money matters
    2. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 9 October 2021 09: 41
      0
      Why do you and people like you refuse to normal, adequate people in the right to legal weapons? I have not heard a clear answer at any discussion.

      Security officials and law enforcement officers do not need any help from "armed citizens". The work has been demonstrated, they are not obliged to protect everyone. The presence of weapons in the masses will add extra hassle

      Who hits whom in the subway, what happens on the streets, petty crime, internal problems of society, nobody cares. These are such insignificant things that it is a pity to waste time on them. People who made their way into power are busy with affairs at the global level

      From my point of view, it is necessary to create as many formal reasons as possible for refusing to possess any weapon (age 35+, military service, a million certificates and additional fees).
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 8 October 2021 12: 21
    +5
    Quote: Flood
    Let's Legalize Marijuana?
    Let's Legalize Prostitution?

    Ha ... ha, legalization of both will only exclude the corruption component of protection and will allow registering junkies and hoes.
    The second moment, beyond the Urals, the Chinese "synthetics" are simply fierce now and who is fighting it?
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 9 October 2021 09: 53
      0
      the corruption component of protection and will allow you to register junkies and hoes.

      I'm surprised at your naivety

      So the slut and were going to honestly pay taxes) as well as to play by some open rules

      An official will come to replace the pimp and demand his share. As a result, prices will rise, the quality will fall (however, the quality of selling love was already low). Ugly and slippery topic. In which the same disgusting and unprincipled people are employed. “It is the desire to be a prostitute that makes a woman a prostitute” - Fazil Iskander

      Prostitution, like the cistern of society, has always existed. And let them cook there themselves with their loser clientele. The rest do not care about this topic, they try not to notice until the slut come out of the shadows
  • Vadim Kukhtiev
    Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 38
    -1
    And actually, what's wrong with legalizing marijuana or prostitution?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 32
    +9
    Well, here's the last example, when in the Moscow metro three Tozherussians beat a man. Screams immediately began - where were the others looking? Like - the men were extinct .. But would you - climb with your bare hands on three healthy Caucasians with knives? Considering that they will most likely be slaughtered, as is usually the case in our God-protected state, but they will kill you all the time? And such cases - darkness.

    And - how to behave in such situations? What do you think - is such behavior possible in our cities, if such specimens knew for sure - at least a dozen people in a holster would definitely have something?
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 8 October 2021 11: 43
      -1
      For one such case, when a pistol would really help a peasant (provided that Caucasians don't have one - it's already ridiculous!), There will be dozens of accidents, murders and suicides from legal weapons. Once again: of course, sometimes there are situations when a legally purchased pistol would help. But there will be many times more situations when he only does harm. Do we need such arithmetic?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 55
        +5
        Caucasians it is not - already ridiculous!

        Not funny. Because the right to bear arms should be limited to the territory of the region that issued it. And the region can only give out to those who, say, have lived in it for at least 5 years. Here in Dagestan, they would have the right to wear it, and in Moscow - not what to wear - even bring it without a special permit.
        1. Azim77
          Azim77 8 October 2021 12: 30
          -3
          Sorry, but really ridiculous is the one-sidedness of the benefits of carrying a weapon - if I have a gun with me, I will not be touched. And if they ricochet, they'll shoot earlier, etc.? Better then wear a bulletproof vest with a helmet.
          Several cons are excellently laid out in the article. And a person who does not teach humanities at the Russian Academy of Sciences, but directly deals with cases of the use of weapons.
          Explain why you need to allow a pistol, but not an AK-74? What is your subjective assessment of the difference in them in civilian life?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 13: 06
            +2
            Quote: Azim77
            Several cons are excellently laid out in the article. And a person who does not teach humanities at the Russian Academy of Sciences, but directly deals with cases of the use of weapons.

            Come on! This is not the one who wrote to himself:
            As a psychologist at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I have repeatedly come across situations of the use of weapons by employees "to kill" (completely legitimate) with a fatal outcome for the "villain".

            I remember how the political commander of the communications battalion received the Order "For Service to the Motherland in the Armed Forces of the USSR" in 1981, and the head of the combat unit received the Medal "For Military Merit" ...
            ==========
            And nothing that today the police are not at all engaged in their direct duties? Whatever the case, they either beat on the tails, or shrug ...
            1. Azim77
              Azim77 8 October 2021 13: 33
              +1
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And nothing that today the police are not at all engaged in their direct duties? Whatever the case, they either beat on the tails, or shrug ...

              But this is the "reason" of the question ?! It is necessary to deal with this problem and require the state to fulfill its obligations to protect citizens. You also need to get legalization from the same state? So it may be better to get the first one than to fight with the consequence.
              During the USSR, citizens did not carry weapons and the Ministry of Internal Affairs dealt with serious crimes. There were, of course, isolated cases, but few left unpunished. And this is a fact that can be relied upon, as opposed to risky predictions. It is easier to "distribute" a weapon than to take it away later.
              The adherents of the legalization of weapons on the site - yes, many of them are professionals, they believe in themselves, in their kindness and decency. "But how is it that they do not trust me so good, they would give me - I would" ... They judge by themselves. But when we come to the conclusion that legalization of wearing is not only good for them, but for everyone, it begins: you need strict legislation, strict rules, strict selection, etc., etc. Who will do it? Those who do not cope with direct security duties?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 13: 38
                +4
                Quote: Azim77
                During the USSR, citizens did not carry weapons and the Ministry of Internal Affairs dealt with serious crimes. There were, of course, isolated cases, but few left unpunished.

                In Soviet times, even the militia did not have weapons, but the death penalty was ... For it was cleaning the ranks of those who could not resist the crime even under her threat ...
            2. Whowhy
              8 October 2021 16: 33
              +2
              And nothing that today the police are not at all engaged in their direct duties? Whatever the case, they either beat on the tails, or shrug ...

              And nothing, that all this time the police, and then the police purposefully destroyed? First, under Gorbachev, detective professionals were massively fired for drunkenness. Then a "pepper" from the KGB came and ruined all the work with agents: "What agents can there be in the police?" Meanwhile, in the United States, 90% of crimes are solved with the help of agents. Then there were several so-called "redundancies", when all inconvenient ones were dismissed for this case and only established and well-functioning crime prevention structures were destroyed ...
              Also, as a personnel psychologist of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I can say that those whom we accepted (and in the overwhelming majority of cases did not accept) for various (secondary) positions in the 3rd category (conditionally fit), then in 2006 (after I resigned) candidates with such indicators on the tests were already "certainly suitable". By the way, the situation is the same in the army (we have good communication with colleagues).
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 16: 56
                +1
                Quote: whowhy
                And nothing, that all this time the police, and then the police purposefully destroyed?

                Correct remark. As a result, the police turned into today's police, where one can find participation and understanding either by strong connections or by significant sums.
                Let them talk about the professionalism of the police as much as they like, how to deal with the fact that I personally, with my own eyes saw how a traffic police car parked on the street. A short boy from the "gypsy house" from st. The worker passed the package to the employee sitting in the front seat. I suppose they were pies with cabbage (or just cabbage ???), carefully baked by the family ... What else could be ... request
              2. Cympak
                Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 59
                0
                Also, as a personnel psychologist of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

                Well, the anamnesis is sufficient for the diagnosis. Our police are pissing to protect us, but they are even more afraid that the citizens themselves will begin to defend themselves.
            3. g1v2
              g1v2 8 October 2021 17: 09
              +4
              Similarly, the grave crimes themselves are reduced from year to year by themselves and the gangs on the streets have died out by themselves and the number of murders from more than 30 per 100 thousand inhabitants has dropped to 5, too, by itself. The police, of course, have nothing to do with it - it just happened. I believe. fellow
              What nonsense people are talking about. I remember the times when they did not even react to a shootout under the windows, continuing to drink tea or go out to the window to cleanly blaze. And now any serious fight is already a pancake emergency and wringing of hands. A fight like this was commonplace in any club. Therefore, she did not even arouse anything but a slight interest in me, but here people have such emotions, as if there was a shootout with a hundred corpses. request
              Although, of course, an investigation into the actions of specific employees on duty at the station should take place.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 10 October 2021 10: 51
                0
                Quote: g1v2
                Similarly, the grave crimes themselves are reduced from year to year by themselves and the gangs on the streets have died out by themselves and the number of murders from more than 30 per 100 thousand inhabitants has dropped to 5, too, by itself. The police, of course, have nothing to do with it - it just happened. I believe.

                Generally speaking, the economic situation in the country has also changed. There is no such fierce trash that was going on in the economy of the 90s. Economy basis. Therefore, it is categorically wrong to attribute the change in the situation with crime in the country solely to the valor of law enforcement officials. With all due respect to all worthy people in their ranks.
            4. Firelake
              Firelake 10 October 2021 11: 26
              -1
              Statistics show that the more tools the population has in their hands, the fewer murders. In the United States, the constant growth of weapons in the hands of the population and the number of crimes is decreasing. Open statistics for the country as a whole and not for one state and you will be miraculously surprised by this statistics. Conversely, the fewer legal weapons, the higher the crime rate.
              Because the threshold for the use of violence rises due to the banal fear that your counterpart also has a gun. And it's easier to negotiate and not arrange a disassembly
          2. Maki Avellevich
            Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 16: 41
            +2
            Quote: Azim77
            Explain why you need to allow a pistol, but not an AK-74? What is your subjective assessment of the difference in them in civilian life?

            well ask then why not allow Cliffs and Shilki to buy. a weapon too, isn't it?

            a pistol with a clip for 10-17 rounds is the simplest, with a minimum ammunition, means that can serve as a means of protection.
            Kalash is a redundant weapon for these purposes. no one is planning to fight off zombies yet.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 10 October 2021 10: 54
              0
              Quote: Maki Avellievich
              Kalash is a redundant weapon for these purposes.

              What is this redundant? There may be several criminals. And all with pistols. We must ensure fire superiority. Therefore, AK, and preferably right away RMB.
        2. Woodman
          Woodman 8 October 2021 12: 43
          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          Here in Dagestan, they would have the right to wear it, and in Moscow - not what to wear - even bring it without a special permit.

          Checkpoints on all roads leading to the region and full inspection? Customs on every country road and barbed wire with border guards on the administrative border of the region? How else to prevent the transport of weapons?
          And before interfering in someone's showdown, ask the participants whether they have a local residence permit or not?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 53
            +6
            No. Just a change in legislation. A trunk in a foreign region is not an administrative unit as it is now, but, say, a gold piece. And one hundred percent. And those who like to break will diminish sharply.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 8 October 2021 13: 06
              +2
              Quote: paul3390
              A trunk in a foreign region is not an administrative unit as it is now, but, say, a gold piece. And one hundred percent. And those who like to break will diminish sharply.

              So, again, it is easier to enter a "one-stop-shop" for the second drive or for any harm to health - the result will be no worse. And this is an easier, safer, and most importantly - the least expensive way for ordinary citizens to live a safe life.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 11
                +4
                Or so. Well, I say - if the state were able to ensure the real security of citizens - I think the topic of short-barrels would be blown away by itself .. Because of hopelessness. Well, maybe for special amateurs ..
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 8 October 2021 13: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Or so.

                  To be honest, I am somewhat surprised that you admitted that there is an alternative to short-haired hi
                  Now all that remains is to convey to those in power the idea of ​​the need
                  Quote: paul3390
                  ensure the real safety of citizens
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 31
                    +4
                    You see - I just love guns. Well, I have such a hobby. Therefore, I'm not a fan of the short-barreled as such, the trauma nee CZ-75 is quite enough for me. Therefore, as for me, it is the safety of citizens that is at the forefront. If the state cannot provide it, then it is our sacred right to do it ourselves. But if the state does deal with the issue for real, then the question itself disappears, isn't it?
                  2. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 8 October 2021 17: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Lesovik
                    Now all that remains is to convey to those in power the idea of ​​the need

                    like two fingers.
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 13: 40
              +2
              Quote: paul3390
              No. Just a change in legislation. A trunk in a foreign region is not an administrative unit as it is now, but, say, a gold piece. And one hundred percent. And those who like to break will diminish sharply.

              Exactly!!! good
              Quote: Lesovik
              So, again, it is easier to enter a "one-stop-shop" for the second drive or for any harm to health - the result will be no worse.

              Good too! good
              Gentlemen! Isn't it time for you to go to the legislative body of the Russian Federation? wink
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 47
                +2
                Isn't it time for you to go to the legislative body of the Russian Federation?

                I am not allowed under the law on dual citizenship. wink I have a Russian passport, and at the same time - I am a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Citizenship of which no one seems to have deprived me .. bully
              2. Woodman
                Woodman 8 October 2021 14: 37
                0
                Quote: ROSS 42
                Gentlemen! Isn't it time for you to go to the legislative body of the Russian Federation?

                Quote: paul3390
                According to the law on dual citizenship, I cannot

                And I'm just too lazy. And I don't like publicity either.
          2. Cympak
            Cympak 11 October 2021 01: 29
            -1
            It is possible to introduce mandatory RFID tags embedded in the design of the weapon. Install on safes and holsters / cases gps-gsm-modules that read the radio tags on the weapon and automatically send data to the automated tracking system that the weapon has left the weapon safe and is now "walking" in the holster on the street.
            Can be placed at public transport stops, in public places, etc. hidden readers of radio tags on weapons. Modern technology makes it possible to organize very good control.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 13: 23
          -3
          Quote: paul3390
          Because the right to bear arms should be limited to the territory of the region that issued it.

          This is all bullshit. Controlling his movement across the country will be very difficult. A normal adequate person does not need a weapon.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 32
            +1
            A normal adequate person does not need a weapon.

            As far as I understand, it is you who will decide who is adequate and what he needs?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 14: 18
              -4
              Why not? At least I am not drawn to shoot those around me.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 8 October 2021 14: 30
                +2
                And why did you decide that I am - pulling ??? belay
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 14: 44
                  0
                  Quote: paul3390
                  And why did you decide that I am - pulling ???

                  In general, you should be ashamed of such a point of view. A communist must understand that the legalization of short-handedness is needed exclusively by the bourgeoisie, who wants to make money on everything, including blood and murder.
        4. Vadim Kukhtiev
          Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 42
          -1
          Sorry, this is nonsense. I mostly need a COP not in my region, but on trips to all kinds of "wild" places, such as the Kola tundra.
          1. Cympak
            Cympak 12 October 2021 10: 21
            +1
            You still need to get to the tundra and most likely you can only fly there by plane, and there control over weapons on board the aircraft has long been debugged.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2021 11: 46
      -3
      Quote: paul3390
      And - how to behave in such situations? What do you think - is such behavior possible in our cities, if such specimens knew for sure - at least a dozen people in a holster would definitely have something?

      Have you ever wondered how often the average person witnesses an offense that he could have prevented if he had a gun with him?
      How often have you found yourself in a similar situation?
      I personally, regularly using Moscow public transport, have watched the brawls in my entire life less than ten times, offhand. I don’t know, maybe it’s tougher on the periphery than in the capital, but I write it as it is.
      Suppose pistols are allowed. How long is a person willing to carry it with him in the hope that someday he will be able to prevent a crime? A month, a year, a few years?
      The crime curve would go down if the people were ordered to carry weapons with them and train in their use at least once a week.
      And so 99,999% will very quickly get tired of carrying an uncomfortable kilogram piece of iron.
      And nothing will change.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 49
        +4
        And so 99,999% will very quickly get tired of carrying an uncomfortable kilogram piece of iron.

        For example, I wear it, and nothing .. The whole question is in the convenience of equipment and habit. Unless, of course, you put Stechkin in your underpants, it will probably really be uncomfortable for you .. Besides, the market is full of fairly compact and lightweight samples.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2021 12: 18
          -2
          Please, if you do not mind, please answer my questions.
          I will repeat them.
          1. Have you ever wondered how often the average person witnesses an offense that he could have prevented if he had a gun with him?
          2. How often have you found yourself in a similar situation?
          3. Suppose pistols are allowed. The person is happy and carries it with him, but nothing happens around him. No one throws himself at anyone alone or in a crowd, with sticks, stones and knives, no one before his eyes is trying to climb somewhere or steal something.
          How long will a person carry a pistol with them in the hope that someday they will be able to prevent a crime? A week, a month, a year?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 39
            +3
            You know it will make it difficult. Because these questions have been answered a hundred times. If you don’t want to - don’t wear it, who is forcing you? We still have a relatively free country ..
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2021 14: 00
              -1
              Quote: paul3390
              You know it will make it difficult. Because these questions have been answered a hundred times. If you don’t want to - don’t wear it, who is forcing you?

              I won't. For the simple reason that I have nowhere to apply it.
              And you? Have you often become a victim or witness of a crime?
              1. Revival
                Revival 9 October 2021 13: 00
                +2
                You can become a victim of a crime once, finally.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 17: 12
            0
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            2. How often have you found yourself in a similar situation?

            How do you propose to act in such situations?

            Maybe it's time to teach irresponsible owners in all available ways?
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 09: 29
              0
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Maybe it's time to teach irresponsible owners in all available ways?

              opponents of short-trunk consider us worse than dogs and are afraid that we will be able to defend ourselves from dogs
            2. Vadim Kukhtiev
              Vadim Kukhtiev 12 October 2021 07: 45
              +2
              This is precisely the situation that can be easily solved by an unlicensed device such as a UDAR with coapsacin. On the beast, he works great, in contrast to the two-legged monkey.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 12 October 2021 08: 04
                0
                Quote: Vadim Kukhtiev
                This is precisely the situation that can be easily solved by an unlicensed device such as a UDAR with coapsacin. It works great on the beast

                Thanks for the recommendations. Lies at home "Blow m2". I bought it for the reason that I had to fight off dogs at work in the private sector. Everything would be fine, only after the first shot the remaining four cartridges fly out of the store. Even a blank shot acts on small dogs ... It was inconvenient to insert a cartridge each time, carrying them in a separate pocket ...
          3. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 09: 18
            +1
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Let's say pistols are allowed. The person is happy and carries it with him, but nothing happens around him. No one rushes at anyone alone or in a crowd, with sticks, stones and knives, no one in front of his eyes is trying to climb somewhere or steal something.
            How long will a person carry a pistol with them in the hope that someday they will be able to prevent a crime? A week, a month, a year?

            I have been wearing it for 14 years, once shot at aggressive dogs, did not hit but ran away, pulled out twice = aggressive people also became silk and preferred to retreat, did not kill anyone ... was the answer satisfied?
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 October 2021 12: 16
        -2
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Have you ever wondered how often the average person witnesses an offense that he could have prevented if he had a gun with him?
        How often have you found yourself in a similar situation?
        I personally, regularly using Moscow public transport, have watched the brawls in my entire life less than ten times, offhand. I don’t know, maybe it’s tougher on the periphery than in the capital, but I write it as it is.
        Suppose pistols are allowed. How long is a person willing to carry it with him in the hope that someday he will be able to prevent a crime? A month, a year, a few years?

        Ha....
        The transfer was - in the spring, on the street between two puddles, they put a man. So that it was impossible to get around. Decently dressed, clean, not an alcoholic / bum. Type became bad ...
        The main mass, so as not to get their feet wet, stepped over it. Some went around in a puddle ...
        I called the ambulance and brought it to the shop 1 (one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) high school student.
        No threat to life, no Caucasians, no trouble - just dial 03 ...... schaz .....
        Indifference......
        The same thing as in Kazan - well, there is a man with a gun and what? I am busy!!!

        And you hope that they will carry a gun to prevent something ..... holy naivety
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          The same thing as in Kazan - well, there is a man with a gun and what? I am busy!!!

          Some time ago (at least ten years), I reported to the police about suspicious people pulling things out through the first floor window ... There was a case when two women threw a drunk man (in winter, in the cold, late at night). I called an ambulance, the police came for it.
          ==========
          You know very well that the majority of conflicts occur on domestic grounds and within the framework of administrative offenses. But there was a case (1997) when at night he went out to smoke on the balcony, and below three unknown persons beat a passer-by. All that remained was to shout ...
          ==========
          People will not go to the police, where they are viewed as enemies of the people and the quarterly bonus; where violators are released without any punishment, and criminals who have killed people (even by hitting a car) are released on parole; where the witness is asked more questions than the suspect ...
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 October 2021 14: 10
            -4
            Quote: ROSS 42
            where the witness is asked more questions than the suspect ...

            Once again, slowly - a man is lying and stepping over him so as not to wet his feet. What the hell is the police !!!!!!! They are stupid - do not care !!!!!!!!
            And then they offer - they say there will be pistikas and these people will be like criminals to detain ...
            Yes, even give them a tank and hang them up with weapons - they still won't call the ambulance ... not that God forbid to shoot at criminals ...
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 27
              +2
              Quote: your1970
              Once again, slowly - a man is lying and stepping over him so as not to wet his feet
              So what? Do you not realize that it does not occur to them that the person is bad, and not "good"? Are there few drunks lying around or what?
              1. your1970
                your1970 8 October 2021 18: 04
                0
                Quote: bk0010
                Are there few drunks lying around or what?
                - gold words!!!!!! Few are lying around !!!!!!!! You noticed everything very accurately
                You never know who is beaten !!!! You never know who is being raped! Who knows who's head is cut off !!!!!
                And past, past, with quick steps .......
                Hoplophiles shout - that these people, if given trunks, will immediately start chasing criminals and defending the weak ... aha ...
                They are indifferent to shake hands with a fallen elderly intelligent man in good clothes ...
                And the hoplophiles keep saying that these people are ready to bear full responsibility for their actions, including criminal ones ...
                Wait, don't get dirty
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 8 October 2021 18: 08
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  - gold words!!!!!! Few are lying around !!!!!!!! You noticed everything very accurately
                  You never know who is beaten !!!! You never know who is being raped! Who knows who's head is cut off !!!!!
                  And past, past, with quick steps .......
                  So it didn't reach you. I explain: they do not extend their hand to the lying person, not because they have become stale in their souls, but because they do not know that they need help.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 8 October 2021 19: 38
                    0
                    Quote: bk0010
                    I explain: they do not extend their hand to the lying person, not because they have become stale in their souls, but because they do not know that they need help.
                    - do not know that an elderly clean-dressed man lying on the cold asphalt needs help? Yes Yes......
                    Well, you need to strain the thought, to figure it out ...
                    Explaining - lend a hand or dial an ambulance is not worth a dime.
                    For shooting at a criminal, you will have to go to the police and the court, even if a witness ... and there may still be random passers-by and other people's property
                    It SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFICULT than to lend a hand to the fallen old man ...
                    Come on, everyone will stupidly spit ...
                  2. bk0010
                    bk0010 8 October 2021 21: 59
                    0
                    I'll try to show with an example:
                  3. your1970
                    your1970 9 October 2021 19: 07
                    0
                    Quote: bk0010
                    I'll try to show with an example:

                    AND?????!!!!!!!!
                    Didn't try to read your opponent ?????????????????????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
                    Quote: your1970
                    Decently dressed, clean, not an alcoholic / bum. Type became bad.

                    Quote: your1970
                    give a hand to a fallen elderly intelligent man in good clothes ...

                    Quote: your1970
                    an elderly, cleanly dressed man lying on the cold asphalt needs help?

                    I understood your idea - you will pass by even if you give you a plasma gun ...
                    You are for an old man / disabled person / girl - if they don't look like a million bucks - don't stand up
                  4. bk0010
                    bk0010 9 October 2021 20: 36
                    0
                    Quote: your1970

                    AND?????!!!!!!!!
                    Didn't try to read your opponent ?????????????????????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
                    Just about: I tell you that in the story you are describing, the person was not helped, because they did not think that he needed help. You yell in response (judging by the number of punctuation marks): "All the bastards !!!"
                    Quote: your1970
                    I understood your idea - you will pass by even if you give you a plasma gun ...
                    You are trying to impose your own thoughts on me. A plasmagun is not needed to help.
                    Quote: your1970
                    give a hand to a fallen elderly intelligent man in good clothes ...
                    The video shows an elderly man in good clothes. As long as he was silent, one could assume intelligence. Now it is clear?
                  5. your1970
                    your1970 9 October 2021 21: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: bk0010
                    : I tell you that in the story you are describing, the person was not helped, because they did not think that he needed help.

                    And this is exactly what I am telling you - they will cut off his head, and they will walk by
                    Quote: bk0010
                    because they didn't think he needed help.
                    Well, they cut and cut, maybe he is a non-intelligent drunk ...
                    Yes?
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 29
    +3
    What do you think - is such behavior possible in our cities, if such specimens knew for sure - at least a dozen people in a holster would definitely have something?

    I DON'T think I know this behavior would be impossible.
    the city of Grozny, we are going by car, suddenly a tinted "Prior" stops in the left lane. An old man crawls out of it, and crossing two solid ones, bypassing the oncoming lane, crosses the street. No one pipiknul, in the oncoming lane, too, everyone got up and they let him in. As he passed, we drove on. To the astonished question, how so? followed by the answer: "Fuck knows who's going there, maybe start shooting."
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 8 October 2021 12: 48
      0
      Quote: glory1974
      An old man crawls out of it, and crossing two solid ones, bypassing the oncoming lane, crosses the street. Nobody piped, everyone stood up in the oncoming lane and they let him through

      So you gave an example of violation, not protection of the law ...
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 59
        +3
        I gave an example of how people react when they know they have a lot of weapons on their hands.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman 8 October 2021 13: 08
          0
          Quote: glory1974
          how people react, knowing that they have a lot of weapons on their hands.

          And how none of these people dared to stop the offense because of this knowledge. But the offender turned out to give a damn about the possible presence of trunks in everyone to whom he created inconvenience.
          1. your1970
            your1970 9 October 2021 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: Lesovik
            Quote: glory1974
            how people react, knowing that they have a lot of weapons on their hands.

            And how none of these people dared to stop the offense because of this knowledge. But the offender turned out to give a damn about the possible presence of trunks in everyone to whom he created inconvenience.

            But the hoplophiles shout - give the population guns and the offenses will stop ...
            There are trunks and there are offenses - this example
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 11 October 2021 09: 12
              +1
              But the hoplophiles shout - give the population guns and the offenses will stop ...
              There are trunks and there are offenses - this example

              Well, yes. He lit a cigarette in the wrong place and immediately got a bullet in the forehead. laughing
              1. your1970
                your1970 11 October 2021 11: 44
                +1
                Quote: glory1974
                But the hoplophiles shout - give the population guns and the offenses will stop ...
                There are trunks and there are offenses - this example

                Well, yes. He lit a cigarette in the wrong place and immediately got a bullet in the forehead. laughing

                No, more fun ........
                "You look - they are cutting someone .... and I have a gun! What if they have it too? Oh, I'll go by ... let the police catch them .... yeah, she gets paid for that !!!" ! "
                And with a quick step past-past-past .........
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 11 October 2021 09: 10
            +1
            And how none of these people dared to stop the offense because of this knowledge.

            Here is a vivid example of how a person thinks. Traffic rules have been violated, and weapons must be used immediately. wassat You obviously shouldn't buy a short barrel.
            In this example, it can be seen that people, having weapons in their hands, do not get involved in trifling showdowns, because they can get a bullet in response. They give this right to the police.
            We would have booted indignantly, they would have started swearing, someone would have jumped out of the car and started a fight, but their weapons would not have allowed this.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 11 October 2021 10: 55
              +2
              Quote: glory1974
              In this example, it can be seen that people, having weapons in their hands, do not get involved in trifling showdowns.

              I am more than sure that in other cases, too, modestly lowering their eyes, they will say that the ongoing disgrace is a "trifling showdown" and will leave its decision to the police officers.
              Quote: glory1974
              You obviously shouldn't buy a short barrel.

              Yes, I, in fact, do not strive to acquire it.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 8 October 2021 12: 41
    +1
    For this reason, 30 Dagestanis built a whole part of the Russian guys and taxed them. It got to the point that even OFFICERS !!! Because everyone stands and pretends that this does not concern them! Dandelions pancake. Three Caucasians are so scary. The man is kicked. They sit on their phones and shoot vegetables. Would you help me - here's how you can ask that? They would have climbed. On knives. Because men. Though finished. And with weapons, they would sit in this carriage and not rock the boat. Potgmu that vegetables and vegetables will remain with weapons.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 46
      +4
      We bet - would you? They are such a type of bold and formidable when a crowd with knives on an unarmed person .. As soon as they see a real return line, they immediately draw their tail between them. Checked. Jackalieu ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 8 October 2021 12: 50
        -2
        Well, believe it if you like it. Yes. They respect strength. My best friend is a Chechen and we became friends with him precisely after we injured each other's faces. It won't work to scare you with a formidable look. We'll have to shoot. Vegetables will shoot?)))
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 55
          +1
          If you consider yourself a vegetable - your right. This is generally a personal choice of any person - who to be and how to behave. But to be a proud and arrogant horseman is much easier when there is a crowd of arms against one unarmed person .. When this one pulls out at least a knife in response, the situation with show-offs somehow changes dramatically .. I’m not talking about the barrel.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 27
            +1
            Ovish in tgm video watch three freaks beat a man. And there are most of them around. And I don't want to arm them) I'm talking about tgm that even with weapons they will sit and be silent. Psychology I think the author of VKM described well. I have always spoken and written about this. Having a weapon will not change human behavior. Human psychotype. Its capabilities. His attitudes in upbringing. Environment. This makes us who we are. Having a weapon won't change that. 8 out of 10 will fall into a stupor in a stressful situation. Or he will simply run even with a weapon in his hands.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 35
              +4
              Having a weapon will not change human behavior.

              "The rifle has an inexplicable influence on the minds of most men and is the best example of adoration of an inanimate object that cannot be compared with any other. Pick up a rifle - a really good rifle - and if you know how to handle it well , you turn from a mouse to a person, from a peon to a caballero, and most importantly - from a subject to a citizen .... Be careful with her. Learn to handle her well. Make her a part of yourself, and you will find yourself in a different layer of human society. "

              Jeff Cooper "The Art of the Rifle" wink
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 38
                +1
                It sounds so beautiful) It is a pity that in reality everything is different.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 39
                  +1
                  It is a pity that in reality everything is different.

                  Have you tried it? wink
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 46
                  0
                  Well, if you consider that I have been living among the military all my life since birth and the officer himself, then probably yes) You can say that I tried) I already kind of told you that my father's PM was a toy in my childhood. Dad came to dinner, unloaded it and gave it to my brother and me) I learned to disassemble it before I could write) I got used to weapons very early)
                3. paul3390
                  paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 49
                  +2
                  Hmm ... Apparently, you developed unwanted immunity as a child .. what Eh - you shouldn't be a caballero .. laughing

                  You see - Cooper did not mean familiarity with weapons, but the fact of direct permanent possession .. These are still somewhat different things ..
                4. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 59
                  +1
                  Rather, I'm just used to it. And I clearly know from my own experience that a weapon is a tool. Just a mechanism. It is used by an ordinary person. And even among those who have been taught for a long time to use this tool, stupor is a common phenomenon in stress. And here are ordinary people with hundreds of cockroaches in their heads)
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 12: 48
    +4
    They would have climbed. On knives.
    They would not have climbed on knives. They climb when they are absolutely sure of impunity.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 8 October 2021 12: 52
      0
      Yes, believe in what you like. You will get your gun and everyone will run. Let this thought calm your sleep. The reality is different, but sleep is also a good thing.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 12: 55
        +4
        I'm from latvia. The crime rate with the proliferation of firearms on hand has dropped, and it is serious.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 26
          0
          We are not Latvia. Even in statistics, you have a drop of 10 percent in real life, this is negligible compared to 10, for example, in Russia. Dozens of times somewhere. But on average it sounds beautiful of course.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 13: 28
            -1
            We are not Latvia.
            Precisely noticed yes .
            All comparisons are always in percentage terms - there is no alternative to this approach.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 35
              0
              So I do not argue. But for this reason, I accept the arguments only from the side of at least approximately equal in terms of population of the country.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 13: 38
                +1
                I accept arguments only from the side of at least approximately equal in terms of population size of the country
                And what - the society and people change qualitatively depending on the size of the population? Or are there no more arguments?
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 39
                0
                The statistics of which many are trying to convince by their own example are changing)
              3. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 13: 40
                0
                Statistics are changing
                Does the interest bend?
              4. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 October 2021 13: 50
                0
                It was 100, now 80 is this one. It was 100000 now 80000 is completely different)
              5. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 13: 51
                0
                Whatever one may say, a 20 percent reduction. Statistics are like that. How do you propose to evaluate?
              6. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 October 2021 14: 02
                0
                Well, yes) 20 and that and there) true in quantitative terms, the difference is a thousand times) Therefore, he said that it is necessary to compare something approximately equal) The picture will become more correct.
              7. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 14: 04
                0
                That is, there are no real counterarguments.
              8. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 8 October 2021 14: 07
                0
                For comparison with statistics for Latvia, of course not)
  • DmSol
    DmSol 8 October 2021 12: 51
    -1
    I just wanted to write about this. If those around us had a firearm (and the Dags would have it in the first place), we would now have not one broken nose, but a couple of three corpses and seven people with severe wounds. And all these would be people who are completely outsiders, not participants in the conflict nirazu.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 8 October 2021 14: 33
    +2
    Quote: paul3390
    Well, here's the last example, when in the Moscow metro three Tozherussians beat a man. Screams immediately began - where were the others looking? Like - the men were extinct .. But would you - climb with your bare hands on three healthy Caucasians with knives? Considering that they will most likely be slaughtered, as is usually the case in our God-protected state, but they will kill you all the time? And such cases - darkness.

    And - how to behave in such situations? What do you think - is such behavior possible in our cities, if such specimens knew for sure - at least a dozen people in a holster would definitely have something?

    This is not the case. Weapons in the subway, no one will allow you to carry them. The same terrorists, do not lead aggressively for the time being. In this case, fists are also weapons. In the USSR, exotic types of the so-called martial arts were banned. A person, by nature of service, or activity, an athlete, for example, who applied his skills in domestic scuffle, received a real term, this was considered an aggravating circumstance. But since perestroika, clubs began to open, all kinds of karate, taekwondo, etc., and also under the banner of fighting street crime. I don’t remember which figure spoke out and said, they will stop on the street with you, but you hit me once, twice, he is passed out, and everything is in openwork. But the reality is different, in such sections they began to hone fighting without rules, and apply them to ordinary people, in public places. This was especially the case in Transcaucasia and the Caucasus, where power sports, the cult of power are being promoted. All recent cases are just confirmation of this. As the well-known big boss said, "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always." In cases in the subway, the guy had to hit first and immediately cut it down, it didn't work out right away, the result would be the same. Despite the fact that they would have accused him of a fight, how to give him a drink, although there it was going to be this from the very beginning, they got into the carriage in order to find the victim, and they found her. you. Yes, all this is in a crowded place, people are all around, inadvertently someone else will be hooked, as the firing goes. All the same, they said correctly here, in life, an adequate person does not need a weapon. Crime is a normal reaction of people to abnormal living conditions.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 31
      0
      Quote: Unknown
      Weapons in the subway, no one will let you carry
      And why is that? They let them in. How do I get to the shooting range then?
  • Whowhy
    8 October 2021 14: 56
    +2
    For some reason you forget that in this case Caucasians will also be with pistols ...
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 9 October 2021 02: 04
      0
      And why and who will give these "Caucasians" the right to carry pistols? Is this question of interest to you in the first place?
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 09: 14
    0
    Quote: paul3390
    But would you climb with your bare hands on three healthy Caucasians with knives?

    right ... and if there were people with weapons among the passengers, then the fight would be quickly stopped by shots in the legs, and Caucasians under white handles would be taken to the picket,
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 8 October 2021 11: 57
    +1
    such legalization will undoubtedly lead to a significant decrease in the safety of life in Russia, an increase in social tension, total fear and hopelessness of existence.

    In Moldova, in the Baltic countries, there is a free sale of short-barrels, which is probably why they are leaving the countries in bulk. No.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 8 October 2021 12: 51
      +2
      therefore they are leaving the countries in bulk.
      They leave the Baltics (come and go) because it is simple and legal - if it was possible to leave Pskov or Tver for 2000 rubles to Hamburg or Dublin for permanent residence with a passport (without a visa) in their hands, how many people would there be left?
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 8 October 2021 12: 24
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    Absolutely correct conclusion! Well, his, this short-barreled out of harm's way!

    Why are you so afraid of what sin?
    For example, it is possible by law to only allow open carrying of a weapon, such as in a hip holster.
    In this case, many showdowns will immediately stop, and the thugs will become polite to diarrhea.
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 October 2021 14: 30
      0
      Quote: Stroporez
      Quote: Finches
      Absolutely correct conclusion! Well, his, this short-barreled out of harm's way!

      Why are you so afraid of what sin?
      For example, it is possible by law to only allow open carrying of a weapon, such as in a hip holster.
      In this case, many showdowns will immediately stop, and the thugs will become polite to diarrhea.
      exactly to the first corner / dark polyezda - you will simply be banged over the head with a pipe ...
      A pistol, unlike an iPhone, in a criminal environment, a thing always has a decent price .......
  • YOUR
    YOUR 8 October 2021 13: 04
    +1
    It's not even a short-handed thing, it's a matter of legislation. Self-defense articles are so vague. There will be a short-barreled and there will be a shot, and even if there is a miss or a shot to scare the wall, into the air .... the judge will bring the shooter to criminal responsibility in 99 cases out of 100. He took out a barrel, shot, you decided to kill a man because of some kind of wallet. Get a couple of years in jail.
    LEGISLATION!!! And it is only aggravated with regard to weapons.
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 October 2021 14: 33
      0
      Quote: YOUR
      even if there is a miss or a shot to scare the wall, into the air.

      In the USA, Moldova and the Baltics, a shot in the air "to scare" is a criminal offense. The threat must be so significant that only shooting to kill. Otherwise, you are attacking civilians ...
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 8 October 2021 14: 40
        +1
        The conversation is not about entertainment. There is such a concept as a warning shot.
        1. your1970
          your1970 8 October 2021 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: YOUR
          The conversation is not about entertainment. There is such a concept as a warning shot.

          There is no such concept in principle. Generally .........
          Either the threat to life is so great that only shooting to kill, or the threat is insignificant and then you are considered the attacker.
          A husband and wife in the USA - who pointed a rifle and a pistol at the blacks - did not go to jail miraculously, because, according to American law, THEY posed a threat to blacks - by pointing weapons at them ...
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 9 October 2021 02: 56
            0
            Apparently, it was the kukkuluskans who were having fun.
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 9 October 2021 02: 05
      0
      Not so much legislation as judges. Here, deprive the judges of their protection, then we'll see
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 9 October 2021 03: 38
        +1
        The fact that the judges are practically not responsible for the sentences passed is of course wrong. There must be some responsibility. Conversations about how to send complaints that go in stages first to a higher court, etc. ... they will sort it out somehow do not inspire reassurance. Especially if you realize from the fact that there is an avalanche of complaints both really about unlawful sentences that do not meet the law, and those who, on the contrary, seek to stipulate the judge, to lighten their sentence. And as you understand the latter, the overwhelming majority.
        There is no withdrawal. I don’t know how to do it right.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 8 October 2021 11: 27
    -8
    Quote: BlackMokona
    There is a clear correlation between a permit to carry a weapon and the number of crimes. When weapons are allowed, the schedule goes down, and when they are prohibited, the schedule goes up

    where is it besides the imagination of the supporters of legalization?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 8 October 2021 11: 41
      -6
      and no one who puts a minus will be able to provide evidence for the words about "clear correlation".
      kindergarten level, inability to answer for words. but at the same time you have a claim to owning a short-barrel.
    2. Mr. PeZhe
      Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 12: 05
      +9
      In Lithuania. In Estonia. In Moldavia. These are the three former Soviet republics in which short-barrels are allowed. In all three, the number of serious crimes after the legalization of short-barrels dropped sharply.
      And in the USA it is even clearer. In states where the carrying of weapons is allowed (for example, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama), crime is driven under the skirting board. In many towns, there is not even a police - only a sheriff. But in those states where weapons are prohibited, and even more so in the gangfree zones, crime is off the charts, despite the fact that the police are armed like army special forces.
      And the moral of this fable is as follows - our state willingly shares a monopoly on violence with socially close structures - organized crime, ethnic organized crime groups (bashfully called "diasporas"), but giving weapons to ordinary law-abiding citizens is not about our state. Because he, as well as the author of the article - "a former police officer with twenty years of experience" - again got the wrong people.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 8 October 2021 12: 29
        -8
        Quote: Mr. PeZhe
        In Lithuania. In Estonia. In Moldavia

        already answered such nonsense
        you do not understand what you are writing about
        I affirm with full responsibility that the legalization of short-barrels did not in any way affect the crime statistics in Moldova
        moreover, the short-barreled barn did not become widespread among the population.

        you can write about what you do not know, only armed with official information
        1. Mr. PeZhe
          Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 12: 45
          +5
          already answered such nonsense
          you do not understand what you are writing about

          More accurate in the wording, dear. Otherwise, you will communicate in monologue mode.
          I affirm with full responsibility that the legalization of short-barrels did not in any way affect the crime statistics in Moldova

          Your thesis is easily refuted by the information publicly available on the network about criminal statistics in Mod "before" and "after". And you have decided not to mention Estonia and Lithuania at all.
          moreover, the short-barreled barn did not become widespread among the population.

          And your thesis is also erroneous.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 10
            -3
            Quote: Mr. PeZhe
            More accurate in the wording, dear. Otherwise, you will communicate in monologue mode.

            you do not respect forum readers if you write unconfirmed statements
            what are they based on?
            Quote: Mr. PeZhe
            Your thesis is easily refuted by the information publicly available on the network about criminal statistics in Mod "before" and "after"

            this thesis is confirmed by my experience of living in this country
            there are only a few trunks on hand
            and the criminal situation began to improve when the police began to carry out their direct functions
            1. Mr. PeZhe
              Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 13: 27
              +3
              I can bet for money that you don't even know the names of your neighbors who live on the floor above. And even more so, you cannot know how many trunks are on your hands.
              I'll tell you a secret - there are not a few of them. And not hundreds. And not even a thousand.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 31
                -2
                Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                I'll tell you a secret - there are not a few of them. And not hundreds. And not even a thousand.

                keep going
                get to the right amount
                Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                You don't even know the names of the neighbors living on the floor above.

                I judge by the people I know
                it would be strange if I acted differently
                but you write about countries with a situation in which you are not familiar
                moreover, you do not support your words with official statistics
                but it doesn't bother you
                why are you worried about the moment of my acquaintance with the neighbors?
                1. Konnick
                  Konnick 8 October 2021 13: 45
                  +1
                  Something I read here comments ... people live in fear, constantly be ready, constantly feel the weight of the gun, giving confidence to a person who suspects everyone, even neighbors
                  from above in a possible threat to his own precious life.
                  Relax, take a bottle and go to your neighbor for a snack, maybe he won't shoot you, and then you will have a drink and find out why he wants to kill you drinks
                  People have a problem ...
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 8 October 2021 13: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Konnick
                    Something I read here comments ... people live in fear, to be constantly on the alert,

                    Being determines consciousness! yes
                    This kind of article is just hype.
                    In our country, short-barrels are not legalized, so that we do not write here "for" and "against" and the reasons for this are in the structure and essence of this very "state".
                    1. Konnick
                      Konnick 8 October 2021 14: 03
                      -2
                      Being determines consciousness

                      It is an axiom.
                      Look what the Pistol did to the man in the film "Makarov" by Khotinenko. The man wanted personal safety.
                    2. bk0010
                      bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Konnick
                      Look what the Pistol did to the man in the film "Makarov" by Khotinenko.
                      The movie reference is a fucking argument.
              2. Mr. PeZhe
                Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 13: 45
                0
                I judge by the people I know

                in other words, your data is not objective, and very weakly correlated with the outside world. Incorrect conclusions automatically follow from incorrect data. However, no one encroaches on your right to have your own opinion about legalization (regardless of whether it is mistaken or not.) For this I am taking my leave.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                  in other words, your data is not objective, and very weakly correlated with the outside world.

                  another disrespect on your part
                  of course, I'm judging subjectively
                  but I judge just by the environment in which I live

                  but let me ask you: you, who strictly demand from others, what are you objective about?
                  have you ever cited objective statistics?
            2. Flooding
              Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 49
              0
              Quote: Mr. PeZhe
              I'll tell you a secret - there are not a few of them. And not hundreds. And not even a thousand.

              so that you do not look for a long time I will help
              In Moldova, more than 65 thousand individuals own more than 77,3 thousand weapons, of which more 24,3 thousand are rifled weapons, 47,6 thousand - smooth-bore weapons and more than 5,3 thousand - non-lethal weapons.

              read more at https://www.kp.md/online/news/4237090/

              well, what part of these 24300 rifled barrels falls on pistols, one can only guess
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 8 October 2021 12: 34
      -6
      Quote: Mr. PeZhe
      And in the USA it is even clearer. In states where the carrying of weapons is allowed (for example, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama), crime is driven under the skirting board

      there is no direct relationship between crime and the degree of liberalization of gun laws in various states.
      direct confirmation of this is the states with very liberal laws on the possession of firearms and at the same time occupying the first lines in the top for the number of violent crimes per head of the local population. For example, Alaska.
      1. Mr. PeZhe
        Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 12: 52
        +5
        there is no direct relationship between crime and the degree of liberalization of gun laws in various states.

        This is called non-Euclidean logic. Alaska is very big and very different. And something tells me that the main crime statistics are generated by Anchorage - a gangfree zone that has nothing to do with legalization in Alaska.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 14
          -3
          Quote: Mr. PeZhe
          This is called non-Euclidean logic. Alaska is very big and very different

          something tells me that Russia is very big and different
          and the results of the legalization of short-barrels in the country will also be very different
          but that doesn't change the fact
          you gave a bad example with the states
          although it has been written about this more than once
          there is no direct relationship
          Alaska cited as an example from memory
          Naturally, she's not the only one
          too lazy to look for comments from three weeks ago in your profile
          there he gave reasons in expanded form
          1. Mr. PeZhe
            Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 13: 30
            +3
            something tells me that Russia is very big and different
            and the results of the legalization of short-barrels in the country will also be very different

            Well! You already admit that the results can be not only negative.
            And I have lived in the States for over thirty years. And if I understood anything in this life, it is that the pistol needs to be carried on oneself. Because it's hard to carry a police officer.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 34
              0
              Quote: Mr. PeZhe
              You already admit that the results can be not only negative

              I did not deny that this is possible in some cases
              but one must judge not by particulars, but by the picture as a whole
              Quote: Mr. PeZhe
              And I have lived in the States for over thirty years. And if I understood anything in this life, it is that the pistol needs to be carried on oneself.

              and now you have decided to impose the American stereotype on the citizens of Russia?
              1. Mr. PeZhe
                Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 13: 46
                +4
                I am a citizen of Russia wink
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 8 October 2021 13: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                  I am a citizen of Russia wink

                  who has lived for 30 years in the United States and believes that a pistol at the hip is the norm
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 24
    +7
    where is it besides the imagination of the supporters of legalization?

    it is in the statistics of mass executions in the states. Where the carrying of weapons is permitted, the criminals are not satisfied with the executions.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 8 October 2021 12: 35
      -5
      Quote: glory1974
      she is in the statistics of mass executions in the states

      so give these statistics.
      don't waste your time on bare words.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 11: 40
    -3
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Why did it happen?

    Since criminals will always have weapons, regardless of their legality or illegality. But for law-abiding citizens, everything is different.

    as long as there is a law on the ACCEPTABLE measure of self-defense even if you have a tank you will not be protected
    1. alstr
      alstr 8 October 2021 15: 26
      0
      Even more. In Vladik there was a case when a long-distance sailor set himself a sea howler as an alarm.
      A thief climbed into his ABSENCE (that is, his house was not at all). An alarm went off and the thief died of a heart attack. As a result, the sailor was sentenced for exceeding self-defense.
  • vkfriendly
    vkfriendly 8 October 2021 11: 55
    -3
    At this time, even real criminals now have on hand these mainly sawn-off trims or alterations from injuries. The punks from the backyard and this is often not there, you can stumble upon fornication or just a pipe. And what will happen when the barrels go on sale, and then on the black market? And also for wearing trunks is usually advocated by weak and not self-confident individuals, usually with the complex of a little Napoleon, in the nineties I observed such in the organs when they took someone without hitting. After school, the police give out service weapons, and usually after duty, you deposit the weapons in the gunsmith, but there are those who dragged them around the clock and home the same (not the opera, they often carry them all the time - they need it), having written a statement addressed to the chief that the barrel he needs, lives in a criminal area ... and fear for his life or something like that. I knew one of those who are not that not representing themselves, cowardly on the assignment and so on, but the trunk made him a hero when he was not alone, of course, the "courage" of him was a pearl, it was disgusting to watch. In short, the trunk was stolen from him at home due to drunkenness ... then I don't know how his fate developed in the department, he no longer worked at that time, I knew from the lips of another.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 8 October 2021 12: 08
    -5
    what would happen if all the protesters on the Maidan were armed with a short-barreled gun ?!
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 October 2021 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: Clever man
      what would happen if all the protesters on the Maidan were armed with a short-barreled gun ?!

      2 options 1) if the government was weak, everything would be the same 2) if strong, 2 armored personnel carriers would arrive and crumble all the "pistiko" carriers from KPVT into a small vinigrette
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 9 October 2021 10: 35
        -1
        If Yanukovych from KPVT crumbled people, he would end up like Saddam Hussein
        1. your1970
          your1970 9 October 2021 18: 31
          +1
          Quote: Clever man
          If Yanukovych from KPVT crumbled people, he would end up like Saddam Hussein
          - pffffff ..........
          Come on!!!!!!!!!!!!
          In the United States (on the territory of the United States !!!!!!!!), one of the presidents even used aviation against US citizens.
          Khrushchev for Novocherkassk?
          For Tiananmen? Not?
          If Yanukovych had a man capable of WRITING an order and an army capable of fulfilling an order, there would be no Maidan ...
          Yes, and the death of Hussein, to put it mildly, did not depend on the "crumbling of the people" ... if there were no oil there, he would still rule ...
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 October 2021 09: 21
          +1
          If Yanukovych from KPVT crumbled people, he would end up like Saddam Hussein

          But Karimov in Uzbekistan from armored troopers crushed Islamists on the square in Andijan, and after that he ruled happily for a long time, dying a natural death.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 8 October 2021 12: 26
    +4
    black
    You are right that the population's weapons sober up both bandits and idiots. But it is not very profitable for the policemen, they are deprived of almost legal ransom from the bandits of the national diasporas and from the opportunity to jail anyone for a thrown patron.
    If all these fighters with weapons are honest at least to themselves, then they simply have to deny the right to arms to the police and other law enforcement officers, and of the army at the same time, because there are CITIZENS OF RUSSIA who a priori * do not deserve the right to a weapon *.
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 October 2021 20: 22
      0
      Quote: Vasily50
      But it is not very profitable for the policemen, they are deprived of almost legal ransom from the bandits of the national diasporas and from the opportunity to jail anyone for a thrown patron.
      If all these gun fighters will

      So, pistols were also banned in the USSR ..ALSO it was unprofitable for the police ??????
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 9 October 2021 15: 17
      0
      It was with the * douche * Khrushchev that they began to prohibit weapons, including revolver pistols. I myself saw a pistol, disfigured by the law of a * six-year-old *, from an honored veteran of the wars with the Basmachi. Then the checkers began to be withdrawn ..
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 8 October 2021 18: 33
    +2
    According to the Research Institute of the Academy of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation in 2011 (or 2012, I don't remember exactly), about 50 thousand murders were committed in Russia. 50 fucking thousand! The population of the regional city was simply killed. How many hundreds of thousands and millions were simply beaten, maimed, raped and simply robbed? .. Yes, the data is ten years old, but 100% sure that if they have changed, then for the worse.
    IMHO, if the legalization of short-barrels and a radical change in legislation in matters of self-defense and, most importantly, the so-called. judicial practice, will help to save at least half of the now killed and injured, then it, legalization, should have been introduced yesterday!
    What is “judicial practice” at the moment from the point of view of a judge?
    - You were attacked by three men with sticks and knives and you, fighting back, killed one attacker? WHY DIDN'T RUN? !!!!
    The meaning of "SP" - as I see it and do not care that according to the law you have the right to self-defense! I AM! SO! I SEE!
  • Cympak
    Cympak 9 October 2021 01: 32
    +2
    All arguments are in the toilet. They are funny. Tell them, for example, to the citizens of Israel. There, people openly walk around the cities in machine guns, servicemen are only released home with weapons on leave.
    Not a single fact stated by the author is confirmed there. It's just that the state trusts its citizens there, and the citizens understand their responsibility. And in our country, from the scoop, the authorities are very afraid of their own people.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 9 October 2021 10: 40
      +3
      In the states since the days of the wild west, a citizen has been distinguished from a slave by the presence of weapons
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 9 October 2021 08: 35
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Since criminals will always have weapons, regardless of their legality or illegality. But for law-abiding citizens, everything is different.

    I agree, a tendentious, deceitful, all-inclusive article, here the psychology was also dragged along by the total inability of people who bought a short-barrel to shoot, ... but he would be in the countryside, where there are packs of dogs ... or in the forest for mushrooms, all his arguments are fake, if people have weapons, then the bandits do not attack so often, especially since most of them often commit crimes drunk or on drugs, or let them try to fight with two or three thugs ... and the comparison with the USA where weapons are simply sold and not correct, need to allow short-barreled
  • deddem
    deddem 9 October 2021 08: 44
    -1
    Welcome to the USA. Or South Africa.
    Where gopniks just kill stupidly, and then look at what's on the corpse. Whether he had a wave or not ...
  • KhatulMadan
    KhatulMadan 9 October 2021 23: 46
    -2
    and there are no questions to the author who "... from the point of view of a former police officer with 20 years of experience, half of which I worked as a forensic expert, and the other as a personnel psychologist" are not available? somehow abruptly retrained as a house manager, don't you think? and then - a forensic scientist, this is a laboratory inhabitant, and here - a hoba! and at once became an analyst. the reasoning went: so, not so; true False...
  • Konnick
    Konnick 8 October 2021 11: 14
    -4
    Well, finally, an adequate opinion of a professional, not a weapon lover, who still plays in one place as a child and is all on show.
    By the way, in the USA, you need permission to carry a short barrel concealed and it is difficult to get it, so you can see a picture of walking down the street with a gun, but few people walk there with a pistol in their pocket.
    The greatest number of injuries among Caucasians, if we allow the short-barreled, then the question is - who will have more weapons?
    Their consciousness has not yet matured to a social society in which conflicts should be resolved according to the legal law, and not according to the law of the mountains.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 23
      +6
      The greatest number of injuries among Caucasians, if we allow the short-barreled, then the question is - who will have more weapons?

      Who is stopping him from going and buying you? what

      Who is preventing the restriction of the right to wear by the territory of the licensed region? what
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 8 October 2021 11: 37
        -4
        Quote: paul3390
        Who is stopping him from going and buying you?

        For an ordinary mentally healthy man in the street, thoughts about buying a weapon come last.
        Konnick writes about that.
        Simply because he does not need it for self-affirmation.
        This does not apply to cases where the purchase is forced by circumstances, with an immediate threat to health and life.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 40
          +5
          For an ordinary psychically healthy man in the street, thoughts about buying a weapon come last.

          In a state normal from the point of view of security, for example, the Soviet Union, yes. But - we live in a slightly different country, don't we?

          And the term psysical - I liked! good
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 8 October 2021 11: 43
            -5
            Quote: paul3390
            And the term psysical - I liked it!

            Have you even thought of a typo?
            have you decided that this is a term?
            I hasten to upset you.
            fat fingers for a small telephone keypad is the only reason for the birth of the term you like.
          2. your1970
            your1970 8 October 2021 11: 59
            -4
            Quote: paul3390
            In a state normal from the point of view of security, for example, the Soviet Union, yes

            Googling and you will be surprised to find out that in the USSR in the 1970s there were on average up to 50 attacks on sentries and up to 100 on police officers. With one goal - to take possession of a service weapon ...
            Quiet peaceful USSR ..... yeah ...
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 03
              +8
              You will remember the post-war years. Just don't tell those who lived with it about the horrors of the USSR. All apartments had cardboard doors and the keys were placed under the rug. Children calmly went to schools themselves and walked in the yards. And the fact that our district police officer had a glass in his holster - knew all the surrounding punks, and - what? Did it somehow prevent him from putting things in order?
              1. your1970
                your1970 8 October 2021 13: 39
                -2
                Quote: paul3390
                All apartments had cardboard doors and the keys were placed under the rug.

                To remind you - why? Yes, because there was nothing to take there except for a crystal vase and an unmanageable "Ruby" ...
                And yet, the festivities of children in the yard has nothing to do with crime, nothing at all .... Here more psychosis from TV affects - "They will attack, rob, kill, rape !!!!!!" - and then just no one knew anything about Chikatilo and others like him ...
                The number of criminal offenses in the USSR is comparable to the current one, and so is the number of murders.
                Hadi Taktash was formed in the 70s.
                The fact that in Cheboksary and Kazan the police tried not to go to certain areas is also a well-known fact of the 1970s.
                A glass in a holster? Even now, the district police officers are trying not to carry weapons unnecessarily.
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 8 October 2021 11: 40
        0
        Who is stopping him from going and buying you?

        Common sense. If an injury is directed at me, then I have every right to shoot him with a real weapon.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 8 October 2021 11: 41
      0
      I agree with you and with every example of the author. A very sensible article. With examples, not fantasies and suggestions.
      Thank you author!
    3. Mr. PeZhe
      Mr. PeZhe 8 October 2021 12: 14
      +6
      The greatest number of injuries among Caucasians, if we allow the short-barreled, then the question is - who will have more weapons?

      They have more weapons NOW.
      After the legalization of the short-barrel, if the Caucasians arm themselves without exception, they will have two million trunks, and if among the Russians at least one in five is armed, we will have twenty millions trunks.
      Agree - in comparison with today's situation - heaven and earth.
  • grau
    grau 8 October 2021 11: 19
    +4
    Pseudo expert
  • paul3390
    paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 20
    +10
    And why is the number of crimes immediately compared with the United States, and not, for example, with Switzerland? Where are the weapons above the roof too?

    Personally, I am a supporter of short-barreled permission, if only because our valiant law enforcement agencies, which already outnumber the army, demonstrate the utmost inability and not the desire to protect citizens.

    But!! Everything must be approached carefully. First, it is necessary to carry out a colossal preparatory work on the broadest introduction of the culture of weapons, changing legislation and the consciousness of citizens, creating infrastructure, and so on and so on. Here it is impossible to take it unceremoniously. Otherwise, it really won't come out well. And so, gradually, without haste, weighing each stage - and finally move on to an armed society.

    For as stated in the Heimskringle - possession of a weapon is not a right, but a duty of a free person. It alone makes him free.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 8 October 2021 11: 26
      +13
      But!! Everything must be approached carefully.
      Yes, that's the point! Opponents of legalization immediately paint terrible pictures - a truck is standing on the square and they are distributing weapons to everyone in a row - what a horror what will happen, what will begin! law abidingcapable and adequate citizens!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 11: 41
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      Personally, I am a supporter of short-barreled permission, if only because our valiant law enforcement agencies, which already outnumber the army, demonstrate the utmost inability and not the desire to protect citizens.

      Well, you have a pistol, so what ?!
      apply against an adversary and sit for 5 years
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 45
        +4
        Well I say - first, changes in legislation! And then - you know, there are situations when the choice to sit down doesn't seem unacceptable. For example - protecting your family. So what would you choose - the option of your relatives being robbed and harassed, but then you are free, or will you be able to protect them but sit down?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 11: 47
          -2
          Quote: paul3390
          there are times when the choice to sit does not seem unacceptable. For example - protecting your family.

          then the ax will help
          Quote: paul3390
          So what would you choose - the option of your relatives being robbed and harassed, but then you are free, or will you be able to protect them but sit down?

          wrote above
          under existing legislation, the sense of a pistol (and if we also take into account the rules for its storage) is zero point, zero tenths
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 52
            +4
            That is - you are ready to walk with an ax, but not with a pistol ?? belay

            And what are the storage rules that bother you? what Holstered? what The only prohibition that can really interfere is the absence of a cartridge in the chamber. That's - yes, skills are needed here. But I’m saying - first, improve the legislation ..
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 11: 53
              -3
              Quote: paul3390
              And what are the storage rules that bother you?

              read the rules
              Quote: paul3390
              That is - you are ready to walk with an ax, but not with a pistol ??

              read carefully, there is neither time nor desire to chew
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 57
                +4
                Is that what you advise me ?? belay With 17 years of ownership ?? laughing Maybe you will nevertheless descend and shed the light of your knowledge on me, orphan? wink
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 12: 08
                  -2
                  Quote: paul3390
                  With 17 years of ownership ??

                  well, apparently you either store it in violation or turn on the fool
                  It is important to follow the rules for storing firearms. It must be stored at the place of residence in compliance with the conditions ensuring its safety, storage safety and excluding access to it by unauthorized persons, namely, in lockable (padlocked) safes, safe cabinets, metal cabinets for storing weapons, boxes made of high-strength materials; wooden boxes upholstered with iron.

                  according to the law, you will be beaten a hundred times while you run for a gun and load it
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 14
                    +6
                    It looks like you turn on the fool. What does storage have to do with it? Do you even understand the difference between storage, wearing and transportation ?? Storage - yes, in a safe. Ever seen ROH's license? So here it is - for storage and wearing! And I have every right to carry a weapon, but only in a holster or case and without a cartridge in the chamber. And anywhere, except for special zones .. So - intelligibly? Divorced amateurs ..
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 12: 17
                      -3
                      Quote: paul3390
                      It looks like you turn on the fool. What does storage have to do with it? Do you even understand the difference between storage, wearing and transportation ??

                      Do you always have a weapon in a holster under your arm, even at home ?!
                      or is it directly accessible ?!
                      Quote: paul3390
                      And I have every right to carry a weapon, but only in a holster or case and without a cartridge in the chamber. And anywhere, except for special zones .. So - intelligibly? Divorced amateurs ..

                      you really do not understand what the speech is about ?!
                      are you at home, weapons with you or in the safe ?!
                      if you are a weapon everywhere and always, then there are two options either you have serious problems, or, again, serious problems, but already with the psyche
                      1. paul3390
                        paul3390 8 October 2021 12: 42
                        +5
                        Yes, on the street in a holster. So what? Why else did I buy it? At home - of course a safe. But my door is still iron, if anything, I will have time to get it .. laughing

                        And about the psyche - I have an alternative opinion about her condition in people like you.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 13: 40
                        -3
                        I'm sorry, but if you really go everywhere with a gun, fearing an attack, then I'm sorry you need to contact a specialist
                      3. paul3390
                        paul3390 8 October 2021 13: 44
                        +5
                        A specialist - of course you are? No, I will not forgive. Because, unlike you, I regularly undergo a medical examination, including a psychiatrist. And he - in my desire to carry weapons, if not strange - does not see any deviation, can you imagine? And what is even stranger - the state does not see it either, because it gives me a license to wear it. So excuse me - your opinion in such situations is somehow on my side ..
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 15: 02
                        -3
                        Quote: paul3390
                        A specialist - of course you are?

                        God forbid, this is for you ...
                2. Konnick
                  Konnick 8 October 2021 14: 29
                  -3
                  if you carry weapons everywhere and always, then there are two options, either you have serious problems, or, again, serious problems, but already with the psyche

                  This is the syndrome of the guard, we have half the country of guards, now the guards are throwing minuses on me, you will see.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 21
      +4
      under existing legislation, the sense of a pistol (and if we also take into account the rules for its storage) is zero point, zero tenths

      Under the existing legislation, a guard cannot use a rubber stick and put handcuffs on. The victim may complain that he was beaten too hard and his hands were scratched, after which the guard and the private security company tryndets. Therefore, now there are fewer guards in stores, their function is transferred to the administrator of the hall, and he can even arrange a scuffle, he is not legally limited by anything.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 8 October 2021 14: 26
    0
    Well, you have a pistol, so what ?!
    apply against an adversary and sit for 5 years

    They shot at me with a pistol in order to scare me twice, two different people, but they have long been dead ...
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 8 October 2021 12: 03
    +4
    Indeed, why the United States and blacks, let's simply, about the former brothers in the USSR - why not a comparison with the Baltics or Moldova? there was allowed short-barreled after the USSR, where are the wild consequences described by the author of the article? at least some ..
    1. Usher
      Usher 9 October 2021 00: 19
      -1
      Quote: 2 level advisor
      Indeed, why the United States and blacks, let's simply, about the former brothers in the USSR - why not a comparison with the Baltics or Moldova? there was allowed short-barreled after the USSR, where are the wild consequences described by the author of the article? at least some ..

      You got it with your sprats and gypsies.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 9 October 2021 05: 29
        0
        but I got sick of people like you .. not a single rational, logical argument against this argument from anyone, but they all shoot each other and point .. like parrots ..
        1. Usher
          Usher 10 October 2021 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: 2 level advisor
          but I got sick of people like you .. not a single rational, logical argument against this argument from anyone, but they all shoot each other and point .. like parrots ..

          But what? You are so simple if they shoot you or your loved ones. Will you write the same way?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 13: 26
    +5
    Quote: paul3390
    And why is the number of crimes immediately compared with the United States, and not, for example, with Switzerland? Where are the weapons above the roof too?

    Because there are no Afro-Swiss who fought anywhere ...
  • Alex66
    Alex66 8 October 2021 11: 21
    +8
    Why, in spite of everything, do you want to have a weapon? This is at least some kind of hope that you will be able to protect yourself, your family, because it is already clear to us that the police and the Russian Guard are created to protect the capitalist system first of all and they have no special business to protect people, the last case in the metro proves this, Dagestanis were confident of their impunity. So it can return the police, which will protect citizens from criminals.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 24
      +9
      so want to have a weapon?

      Who is stopping you from obtaining a license and buying? Or do you want just a short barrel?
    2. Crowe
      Crowe 8 October 2021 11: 48
      +11
      Why, in spite of everything, do you want to have a weapon?
      - Why do you need a revolver?
      - To learn to trust people.
      Paulo Coelho
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 12: 20
      -3
      Quote: Alex66
      Dagestanis were confident of their impunity.

      do you really think that having a pistol would solve this problem?
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 8 October 2021 12: 53
        +4
        So it can return the police, which will protect citizens from criminals.
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 8 October 2021 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      Why, in spite of everything, do you want to have a weapon?

      Yes, because at the right time, a citizen cannot hope for the protection of his life (the lives of loved ones), home and property from the side of law enforcement agencies. Ask the question: "What outcome will you choose in a situation when your (your loved ones) life (health) will be in danger?" There are only two answer options:
      1. As a law-abiding citizen, I will try to have time to call the police and, if not beaten to death, I will try to wait for her arrival.
      2. I will use weapons in accordance with the law on the use of weapons.
      belay
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 8 October 2021 14: 13
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      Dagestanis were confident of their impunity.

      If the Dagestanis had a weapon, and they had it at your suggestion, everything would be even worse.
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 8 October 2021 11: 30
    -7
    The article is, of course, written correctly, everything is laid out point by point.
    However, it seems to me that those who are already fed up with civilian hunting weapons and want new toys are more advocating for the permission of the short-barrel. These people can be understood, they know how to handle weapons, understand its social danger, and as the tragic examples of executions show, any weapon can be used to kill.
    I would allow a short-barrel, and then only storage, not carrying ... people who own civilian hunting weapons for at least 10 years.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2021 11: 45
      +3
      and then only storage, not wearing.
      You do not see the contradiction?
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 8 October 2021 15: 27
        +2
        I do not see. Can you see people on the streets walking freely with hunting rifles?
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 8 October 2021 17: 40
      0
      Quote: Canecat
      I would allow a short-barreled, and then only storage, not wearing ...
      Well, why is it then? With a shotgun, then?
  • Oleg83
    Oleg83 8 October 2021 11: 31
    +2
    The short-barreled must be allowed, but only for the self-defense of private property, without the right to wear. And also to toughen the fight against corruption when obtaining certificates for weapons

    Let's take the same USA. In 1994, I was there on a business trip to the DEA, in Washington (then the population there was about 700 thousand people). The chief of police was asked about the "firearms" crimes. The answer is that 200 (!) People were killed in just one year, while serious bodily (death in a few days in the hospital), disabilities, disability and psychological trauma remained outside the brackets.
    I was also impressed by the memorial dedicated to the policemen who died during the execution - a long wall filled with names in small print.
    We were seriously advised that if the local "gopniks" got attached, then we shouldn't be heroic, since they are all armed and behave very nervously (just because they all have a lot of weapons). Therefore, you do not need to go into your pocket (even if for money), but allow yourself to be searched. And the best thing is to put 5 bucks (the cost of a standard dose of drugs there) in the breast pocket of his shirt and point the "gopnik" in the pocket so that he can take it himself. After that, you have to get out of there without looking back, because the "gopnik" may think that you are looking around to shoot at him, and will shoot at you.

    Maybe it's worth separating the crime from law-abiding citizens. Crime will always find weapons. And you have to be a complete idiot to commit a crime with an officially registered barrel.
    And in the same USA, more violent crimes with firearms are committed in liberal cities with tight gun control. The toughest laws in Illinois, in Chicago alone every weekend from 10 killed and 50 to 100 injured
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 8 October 2021 11: 36
      +9
      no wearing right

      Why do you need a gun without the right to carry it? belay If only home - let's say Saiga is much more lethal and more efficient .. wink Eight buckshot rounds at close range - any pistol will be blocked. bully
      1. Oleg83
        Oleg83 8 October 2021 11: 42
        0
        Quote: paul3390
        no wearing right

        Why do you need a gun without the right to carry it? belay If only home - let's say Saiga is much more lethal and more efficient .. wink Eight buckshot rounds at close range - any pistol will be blocked. bully

        For me personally, a pistol would be more convenient. For women, a pistol is also preferable. And for those who live in their home, a weapon is simply necessary, sometimes just a shot in the air is enough to scare away unwanted elements.
        1. your1970
          your1970 8 October 2021 12: 06
          0
          Quote: oleg83
          ... And for those who live in their home, a weapon is simply necessary, sometimes just a shot in the air is enough to scare away unwanted elements.

          In the USA, Moldova and Limitrofah, this is CRIMINAL punishable frighten There, if there is a threat to you, you use it to defeat, and then the court will decide correctly or not ...
          This is exactly the example when last year a married couple in the United States drove away blacks from the estate with a rifle and a pistol ...
          Miraculously, both did not sit down - although they did not harm anyone
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 8 October 2021 15: 30
        +1
        Why do you need free wearing? A bat will fly over the head from behind, here is the trunk of the criminal ... did he save you?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 11: 42
      0
      Quote: oleg83
      but only for the self-defense of private property

      do we have such a law (on the protection of private property) ?!
      1. Oleg83
        Oleg83 8 October 2021 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: oleg83
        but only for the self-defense of private property

        do we have such a law (on the protection of private property) ?!

        It is necessary to introduce such a law, as well as to put in order the law on self-defense. Now an interesting situation, there are different laws and acts that the owner (of an apartment or a private house) must comply with, but he cannot protect his property - how is that? If a couple of outcasts with illegal weapons want to burn down the house, then they actually cannot be prevented by law, and if you interfere with legal weapons, you can get a term
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 11: 52
          -2
          Quote: oleg83
          and if you interfere with legal weapons, you can get a term

          so it turns out that the problem is not in the presence or absence of a short barrel, but in the existing laws
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 8 October 2021 15: 32
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        do we have such a law (on the protection of private property) ?!

        No, but there is a Law on Weapons and other regulatory documents that define the concept of private property.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 18
      +2
      in the United States, more violent gunfire crimes are committed in liberal cities with tight gun control.

      I also read that in the states where short-barrels are allowed, there have not been and there are no mass shootings.
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 8 October 2021 12: 58
        0
        Quote: glory1974
        I also read that in the states where short-barrels are allowed, there have not been and there are no mass shootings.

        Then why is this practice not used in states where there are shootings? After all, they have been shooting for years.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 October 2021 09: 14
          0
          why is this practice not used in states where there are shootings?

          there are always at least two views on a problem, and two ways to solve it. What we see.
          In some state, there is a rule: if you do not have a weapon, then you pay an increased tax on the police to protect you. Here is such a variety of laws and regulations.
  • Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 8 October 2021 11: 35
    -1
    I read it with pleasure
    Thanks to the author hi
    But I often thought about this myself.
    It is very difficult for an ordinary person who has not gone through the experience of war (where he was forced to kill in order not to be killed) to psychologically decide to use weapons to kill,

    And I came to the conclusion that I cannot request
    But this is from life, not from the cinema
    ... And then: "Gop-stop, we came from around the corner!" At the same time, his weapon (or theirs - which completely deprives you of at least some chances) is already in full readiness. If at the same time you climb for a weapon, then you are a corpse, trying to wave your arms and legs - again a corpse, trying to escape - again a corpse.
    I can't imagine that a criminal would allow me to take out the barrel, aim, shoot
    Why carry him with you then request
    At home, I agree, the trunk is acceptable, but when there are children in the house, it is dangerous to keep it in plain sight. And when, God forbid, they come to rob and kill, then there will simply not be time to get it.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2021 11: 39
    +1
    Everything is correctly painted, to the smallest detail. For a start, they will shoot you and then rob. "The dead do not bite" (c)
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 8 October 2021 11: 45
      +1
      Shoot already wet. A completely different level of crime. And those who go to him, they do not care who to cut. Armed or unarmed. And they will always treat you with a knife under the ribs without a hitch.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2021 11: 50
        +4
        And what's wrong with my comment ..? You were threatened with a weapon and offered to give your life or your wallet and will silently watch you take a revolver out of your wide trousers, and not a tin can, get scared and run away? Or fall to their knees and ask: Uncle forgive us, we will no longer.?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 8 October 2021 11: 55
          0
          In the fact that it is radically easier to threaten an unarmed person with a weapon than an armed one. And you need to be ready to shoot if he does start to resist. With all that it implies, like a huge attraction of attention during the shots, a criminal article for murder, and so on. Just as often, the action does not take place one-on-one. You cannot threaten every bystander who may also have a barrel.
          There are cases of robberies in Texas, both shops and households. When a bandit threatened a seller or a resident of the house, and yes, he could not get his trunk. But all the buyers took out the trunks and the situation unfolded radically.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2021 11: 56
            +2
            Do you have experience in this business? laughing
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 8 October 2021 12: 00
              0
              It builds on a basic perception of courage in all humans. The more dangerous the target, the less desire to touch it. laughing
              1. Daniil Konovalenko
                Daniil Konovalenko 8 October 2021 12: 01
                +2
                It builds on a basic perception of courage in all humans. The more dangerous the target, the less desire to touch it.
                And from my own experience .. hi or lack thereof.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 12: 22
            0
            Quote: BlackMokona
            And you need to be ready to shoot if he does start to resist

            Are you sure that the victim is ready to shoot for his own protection ?!
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 8 October 2021 14: 56
              0
              Are you sure that the offender is asleep and sees how to check it? wassat
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 15: 03
                -1
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Are you sure that the offender is asleep and sees how to check it?

                it will be enough for the offender that in principle he can be killed and the victim will not get anything for it
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 8 October 2021 17: 10
                  -1
                  That is why it is necessary to allow short-barrels and improve the law on self-defense.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 October 2021 17: 42
                    -1
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    short-handed to permit and improve the self-defense law.

                    for a start, these two positions must be changed in places, as the resolution of the first without changing the second will not change anything
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 17
        +4
        Shoot already wet. A completely different level of crime. And those who go to him, they do not care who to cut. Armed or unarmed.

        Don't tell. The offender knows very well that if they give an armed rebuff there, he will not go there. He's a bandit, but not a kamikaze.
  • JD1979
    JD1979 8 October 2021 11: 48
    +2
    Thank you laughed))) once again made sure that the anecdote about the trail of the cap is true. As well as joke on the criterion of selection for the organs by IQ below 80. And just don't be offended by what has been written, because this is not mine, but folk art. And the reason for turning to creativity was ... Have you read what you wrote yourself, or again "Chukchi is not a reader - Chukchi is a writer"? Although not, did not read how you wrote the Russians are stupid armless alcoholics, worse than the Americans, and since you are also gr. Russia, then you are what you think the Russians are, as, in principle, and the majority in the bodies, since you so focus on this attention. It is necessary to be able to insult the entire population of the country with your libel at once ... "Not only everyone is capable of this ..." (quote from the great thinker)
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 8 October 2021 12: 15
      +6
      And in Moldova and the Balts, weapons are allowed .. and in Costa Rica, the Czech Republic and El Salvador with Pakistan, in Argentina with Croatia and Switzerland ... and many other countries .. the campaign, according to the author, is exactly what he described - in all these countries are happening .. or the 2nd option - it turns out, in his opinion, we have not grown to them "in terms of consciousness" .. even to Pakistan and Moldova ...
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  • Ben Gunn
    Ben Gunn 8 October 2021 11: 52
    +6
    And we shouldn't also forget about the unrestrained drunkenness that takes place in Russia.
    We may live in some different Russia with the author, but, in my opinion, we drink no more than in other countries. Or the author just needs to change his social circle.
    1. vindigo
      vindigo 8 October 2021 16: 06
      +1
      Oh, probably from the organs. By experience of communication, everyone who comes from there or "boots" are terrible alcoholics.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 8 October 2021 11: 57
    +4
    Another one with the people was not lucky ...
    In principle, the author explained everything when he said that he was from the authorities. Employees should take care of labor protection in their department, and slipping a bag of white powder or coming to a potentially armed person with an illegal search is not at all the same as a guaranteed unarmed person. So there was no need to write further :)
    And don't compare with America. There are many things that are different from ours. Compare with the former republics of the USSR, where conditions, history and mentality are more or less similar.
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 8 October 2021 12: 02
    +5
    Let's put it this way - whoever wants to have a pistol has, the top donated awards to each other, the bandits use it illegally and only the common people were left without weapons.
    It's cool to have a gun.
    On the other hand, let us recall the recent case when three freaks who were already sitting (we will not say that they are Dagestanis) killed a boy in the metro because he stood up for a girl, and one corner seemed to be with a knife ... in the metro! What for then the framework ?!
  • Barkun
    Barkun 8 October 2021 12: 11
    +2
    But the author, suddenly, is intelligible :))) But I disagree with the conclusions. Personal responsibility - it’s cooler than nodding? Or not :)?
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 8 October 2021 12: 15
    +3
    People need to be educated. In the USSR, education was from school. Respect for other nationalities, love for the Motherland, etc. When the USSR began to fall apart and riots began in the republics, people were shocked by the atrocities committed by the nationalists: murders, rapes, beatings. That is, the brutal essence of individual people did not go anywhere, and when the state could not control it, it spilled out.
    Consequently, even now the state must control all manifestations of violence. It cannot be left to the hands of an individual citizen, everyone thinks to the best of his ability.
    But to make of citizens dumb cattle, which stands and watches, as in the subway, several kovs are kicked to death with their feet, is also impossible!
    Where can you find this golden mean?
  • hhurik
    hhurik 8 October 2021 12: 27
    +1
    A forensic expert is a "talking tool", as a rule he does not work with people, he does not know the operational situation, he sees criminals or other participants in the criminal process only indirectly. In fact, it is an ordinary pants wiper, occasionally leaving for duty on duty, in order to record the results of the examination under the guidance of the person who produces it. And as a psychologist in a department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - this is no one at all, simply because of the specifics of the contingent served - how this experience can be extended to the population is completely incomprehensible.
    If I had been a psychiatrist for 20 years in the commission for issuing permits for the possession of civilian bullets, one could have listened, but nothing else. I suspect that the author never had a weapon in the form of a shot rubbish or even a gazyuk, he also did not come across a contingent of hunters / athletes - and there are almost 4 million of them, and they will be the main buyers of pestles / revolvers in the event of their legalization.
    Now buying a shotgun in Russia is easier than getting a driver's license. Are there many applicants? Practically no one as a percentage of the active part of the population. Basically, this is a layer of managers and security officials, the rest are simply afraid of weapons and treat their owners as strange and dangerous eccentrics. Pestles / revolvers, in case of legalization, will buy all the same 4 lemons of enthusiasts, the rest will whine on the Internet about the customs of the United States and other garbage.
  • Ilya22558
    Ilya22558 8 October 2021 12: 46
    +4
    I would like to ask the author, in the section where he says that people with weapons could not defend themselves, is not the reason for this imperfection of the legislation (they were afraid to kill / seriously injure the bastards, and then sit down and pay them compensation), and not the indecision of the owners? What is his personal opinion?
  • vindigo
    vindigo 8 October 2021 12: 49
    +2
    "unrestrained drunkenness that takes place in Russia"

    Speak for yourself.
    1. Usher
      Usher 9 October 2021 00: 17
      0
      Quote: vindigo
      "unrestrained drunkenness that takes place in Russia"

      Speak for yourself.

      Do you speak for everyone?
  • DmSol
    DmSol 8 October 2021 12: 54
    -1
    Firearms fans simply have no idea what will happen if a legal short-barrel appears. And widespread firing will begin, first on the roads, and then in the subway.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 8 October 2021 15: 13
      0
      why didn’t it start in Moldova and the Baltics after permission, and even now it’s not there, for example?
      1. DmSol
        DmSol 8 October 2021 16: 41
        0
        How do you know what's real with statistics on firearms in Moldova or in the Baltic states? I can repeat once again that if short-barrels were legalized in our country, the last affair with the daggers in the Moscow metro would have ended in corpses and heavy ones. And most importantly, it would not have been the initiators of the incident, but completely left-wing people standing on the sidelines.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 8 October 2021 17: 42
          0
          where did you get the idea that it would be so? in 1x-how will they with the trunks go through the frames in the subway?
          secondly, maybe he would not have had this incident in the presence of trunks, because the "savages" would have behaved more calmly? this is all speculation, Dmitry ..
          But the facts - I have listed the countries where short-barrels are allowed and everything is fine with them ... or do you think that the shooting incidents in Moldova and the Baltic states are specially concealed from the world, and they talk about blacks in the USA? or are there adequate people, unlike us? Googled shooting in Moldova, then in Lithuania - nothing about shooting in the streets on the first page .. I don't even remember such news ..
          Perhaps you are still a supporter of the opinion that we have a "wild" people, not like the Moldovans and therefore we cannot have weapons? Did you communicate with the Moldovans in general live?
  • Petrucho
    Petrucho 8 October 2021 12: 56
    0
    Paradoxically, I agree with the author to the smallest detail. And the paradox is that the pistol has settled in the safe for 5-6 years at home. Why do I need it? And hell knows, he realized his civil law. I can wear it, but I don’t wear it. I have not yet encountered, thank God, the need to apply. Sometimes in the shooting range to bang - I like it. And so it lies on a "rainy day". Warms the thought that he is if that, but also responsibility, too, because family, children ... In general, by and large - a suitcase without a handle, but I'm not going to refuse wink
  • savage1976
    savage1976 8 October 2021 13: 18
    +2
    Although I am a passive supporter of a short trunk, the article has been given the star of an overwhelming, reasonable list of arguments, arguments, assessments, and not the usual verbiage in such topics.
  • Mikhail Andreev
    Mikhail Andreev 8 October 2021 13: 32
    0
    where you saw unrestrained drunkenness, a former cop, he won’t become a friend to a common man, in our country people have not drunk for a long time, there’s nothing, give people a short trunk, don’t powder their brains, it’s high time
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 8 October 2021 15: 19
      0
      One of the most thumping categories is precisely the siloviki, so I wrote about my environment.
    2. Usher
      Usher 9 October 2021 00: 15
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Andreev
      where you saw unrestrained drunkenness, a former cop, he won’t become a friend to a common man, in our country people have not drunk for a long time, there’s nothing, give people a short trunk, don’t powder their brains, it’s high time

      In my life I saw unrestrained drunkenness! And where do you live? With pink glasses?
  • DesToeR
    DesToeR 8 October 2021 13: 34
    0
    The first adequate article on the site about the "short-barreled". And the author (all of a sudden!) Is not some home-grown "blogger / analyst", but a professional in his field.
  • Alexander Tkachenko
    Alexander Tkachenko 8 October 2021 13: 51
    +3
    I agree with almost everything. But let's take the last example in Kazan.
    As soon as 1 person (albeit a policeman) appeared with a pistol, the issue with the terrorist (madman) was resolved.
    If u ....., then the issue would have been resolved earlier and without so many victims.
    1. alstr
      alstr 8 October 2021 16: 40
      0
      In the case in Kazan, I have one big question:
      Why did a friend walk for 40 minutes and shoot?
      Where was the alarm group (the button was pressed)?

      As for the man with a pistol, there is a very important clarification - even a policeman.
      It is far from the fact that not a police officer would have acted in the same way.
  • Kir Duc
    Kir Duc 8 October 2021 14: 30
    +4
    But what's the point of breaking spears, finally ban criminals and crimes. How so - doesn't work? How so - criminals do not care about the laws? But does the ban on short-barrels work? Ah, it doesn't work, criminals still carry guns? Well, what a surprise!

    I especially liked the passage about suicides. Well this is necessary, it turns out, there is no gun - no suicide, how simple it is! And high bridges, towers, windows on floors above the first, household poisons and fertilizers, sleeping pills, knives, scalpels, razors, ropes, sockets, ....... - the respected author also proposes to ban?
  • riddik70
    riddik70 8 October 2021 14: 52
    +6
    Based on the conclusion, the Psychologist prof. unsuitability. As a former employee, I can say that trauma tek usually gets involved in long-term conflicts on and outside. At the same time, mainly those who are no more than 3 years in the profession. Individuals perfectly understand what has happened and are aware of the full responsibility of using weapons. I have a passion for weapons since the 6th grade, I studied in the section before serving in the army. After service, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs on a permanent basis, not one illegal use. After being fired, civilians are in the safe and injured by themselves. For 10 years I have used trauma once lawfully, and this saved me from causing me serious harm. To summarize, there are many more people with my worldview than irresponsible and hysterical individuals. PS The opinion is purely personal. I ask you not to take it close to the raw :)
    1. Whowhy
      8 October 2021 16: 49
      +1