New "dark ages" and Russia

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"A Knight at the Crossroads". Painting by Viktor Vasnetsov

The old world began to collapse catastrophically. A systemic crisis develops into a crisis peak, which threatens to plunge all of humanity into chaos. Countries that can not only survive, but also use this time to leap into the future, will create a new world order. The losers will be left behind forever or disappear from the world storieslike many powers and empires of the past.

Chaos and unrest, followed by final collapse and destruction, threaten Russia as well. However, the global crisis is also Russia's chance for revival, as has happened more than once in the history of Russian civilization and the Russian super-ethnos.



The end of the old world


Software article Adviser to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu Andrei Ilnitsky "The Time of Big Decisions" shows a certain split in the Russian leadership, an attempt to develop a program for "reassembling" the Russian world and avoid the collapse and death that awaits the Russian Federation if it continues its current pro-Western, inertial course.

Ilnitsky quite rightly notes that “Russia has exhausted the time and social resources of inertial development. The time is coming for Big Decisions and Big Projects. " Humanity has entered a systemic crisis and the only question is when the catastrophe will come in full growth - in 2022–2023 or 2024–2025. The catastrophe period will last until about 2030, and the survivors will create a new world order.

For Russia, a global catastrophe is a chance for the revival of the state as one of the leaders of mankind in the future. Now Russia is at a crossroads: after the collapse of the USSR, the country "moved in the paradigm of catch-up development, trying to try on Western democracy."

Now this model is falling apart, as is the role model - the Western world. However, it is supported by a part of the Russian elite, the compradors-traders-financiers. They are ready to adhere to this model to the last, in order to then surrender the country and go to enjoy life at their alternate airfields in the West. In the course of the informational, mental war of the West and Russian Westernizers against Russia, they are trying to reprogram and distort the worldview of Russians, especially young people.

If the worst, “inertial-catching-up” scenario persists, the country will lose its integrity, and the population of Russia may decrease by several tens of millions - only “service people” working “for food” will remain, which are necessary to ensure the work of the “pipe” through which the West and natural resources will be pumped to China ”.

This is the price of the possible "lack of will and inaction" of the authorities and society.

Time of "reassembly" of the Russian world


As a result, it is time for Russia to "focus on itself."

The model of the future is a people's empire based on the principle of "autocracy", not as a monarchy, but autonomy-autarchy from the West and the East, true democracy, when the "power vertical" is supplemented by the people's "horizontal" - strong local self-government (historical councils, zemstvos and veche).

The basis of the new strategy for the geosocial and geo-economic structure of the country is three components: security, people's preservation and territorial and economic connectivity. Formation of an anti-crisis socio-economic model of a mobilization type, which insures against global crises (such as a "pandemic") and creates the basis for stable development for decades to come. Here it is worth remembering about the Soviet State Planning Committee.

Rejection of the Western project of the "new brave world" (Brave new world. How humanity is being driven into a "digital concentration camp") - in essence, from the neo-slavery and neo-feudal order on a new technological level, which is built on the basis of the concentration of people and resources in megacities, where residents are turning into slaves of “digital concentration camps”, various fascist regimes. For example, medical - under the guise of concern for the "health and safety" of people.

This order contradicts the Russian civilization code-matrix, the basis of which is truth, justice and conscience. The Russians will never accept such a “new world order as it was in 1941-1945. Better to die, but in a fierce battle. Russians will not become slaves to this “new reality”.

Even now, when the West has imposed on us its vicious ideas and standards, the country is dying out (depopulation), social wastelands, “exclusion zones” are being created - settlements and territories inhabited by beggars, often migrants. What creates the possibility of a split in the Russian Federation on national and migration issues (The national question is a threat to the future of Russia).

One of the advantages of Russia is the huge space collected and preserved by blood and sweat for thousands of years (including the Rus-Scythians and the Rus-Aryans). Therefore, one of the ways to revive Great Russia is "the spatial and territorial redevelopment of the country."

Thus, it is necessary "to move from consolidation and concentration to reasonable dispersal, to the formation of a single standard of management and quality of life throughout Russia."

The revival will begin in Siberia and the North


Ilnitsky notes that the greatness and wealth of Russia since the reign of Ivan the Terrible has been growing in Siberia. Russia has always emerged from crises and disasters with the help of large projects. The development of Siberia and access to the Pacific Ocean, the Transsib, the Soviet project, including space and the atom, the development of the Russian North.

A new big project in Russia can be "cities and territories of development of Siberia and the Far East, where there are already many types of resources, industrial and scientific potential, but there is a shortage of personnel and managerial competencies, as well as the main problem and threat - depopulation."

The start of this project was announced by Shoigu. These are new cities with the most advanced architecture, well-developed infrastructure and science, education and healthcare, comfortable, attractive and interesting for life - especially for young people. These are new points of the "assemblage of the Russian world". Plus "Cedar tract" - the way between Europe and China.

Ilnitsky notes a number of ideas and possible growth points that coincide with some of the programmatic provisions of the Russian patriotic statesmen.

So, this is a partial closure of Russia from the degrading and disintegrating West and the world as a whole. Unified economic plan for the development of the country. The diversified economy is a synthesis of state planning and market mechanisms. Subordination of the financial system to the state, long-term goals, saturation of the economy with cheap and long money. Rejection of the strategy of megalopolis urbanization.

From the territory of several large developed megalopolises, Russia should become an evenly populated and well-equipped low-rise country (a family should live in its own manor house), with the formation of a single standard of management and quality of life throughout the territory (kindergartens, schools, hospitals, pharmacies, shops, palaces culture, creativity and sports, etc.).

Elite nationalization.

The armed forces are becoming the center of ideology, human resources, mobilization, economic revival, control and planning.

Education is the core of the new strategy. Accordingly, it is necessary to revive the role of teachers, they must receive a high social status in the new Russia.

Constant growth in the well-being of citizens.

Assembling the Russian World - with the return of compatriots. It is worth adding to this - the reunification of the entire Russian world, the Russian superethnos (Great, Small and White Russia, Transnistria, the Baltic States).

The key indicator of the quality of governance is population growth (Russian billion. A large family is the only hope for the future of Russia).

The material core of the implementation of a large project is the development of the armed forces and the military-industrial complex.

This way Russia will be able to avoid a catastrophe in the coming "dark ages" for all mankind. Save and increase the people and the land. To give humanity again hope for a different way of life, alternative to slavery. Create a human society based on love, social justice, knowledge, service and creativity. To rebuff the forces that want to enslave people.
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  1. +36
    8 October 2021 15: 10
    As already got calls and slogans.
    Listening to them there is no time left for work ....
    1. +22
      8 October 2021 16: 21
      The author is still a storyteller. let him tell. how the Russian government donates a million hectares to Uzbekistan. Who told us about it?
      1. +3
        8 October 2021 20: 19
        What are you talking about, dear, it's strange that you didn't throw +100500 minuses, it's completely different and in general you need to help the brotherly Uzbek people, otherwise, for example, China will squeeze everything out from them for debts on loans and how will they live? )))))).
    2. -11
      8 October 2021 16: 26
      after the collapse of the USSR, the country “moved in the paradigm of catching-up development, trying to try on Western democracy
      Well, not quite so, we didn’t try on democracy, we were put on by our "Western partners". Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go.
      1. +15
        8 October 2021 16: 33
        Quote: Wend
        we did not try on democracy, we were put on by the "Western partners"

        Can this be called a democracy? When are elections "drawn" for the sake of the authorities, when the courts pass sentences that contradict all the norms of law in force?
        1. +4
          8 October 2021 17: 02
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Can this be called a democracy? When elections are "painted" for the sake of the authorities, when do the courts pass sentences that contradict all the existing norms of law?

          Comrade, now the forum will be divided into parts, some will agree with you, others will ask, "where is it?" ", but the rest will just play - / + depending on their mood.
          Honestly, it seems that all post-Soviet, so-called, states were outlined as temporary, but the allotted time of "temporary" has passed, but the project leaders do not know what to do next. Or, in the second option, the disposal must go through completely.
          1. +2
            8 October 2021 22: 52
            Author! The elections are over, you can already stop broadcasting attempts to think with progressive age-related dementia. It's already late. Demographics have put an end to them. 40,50,60 year olds cannot urgently give birth to children and build a new society. Only humbly wait for death and hopes for the mercy of the Asians. It is not for nothing that everything of value from Russian civilization is invested in 2 cities. Young people and middle-aged people are already running there en masse. I assumed that in my lifetime there would be enough people and money to live with dignity. But Rosstat figures are relentless.
        2. -2
          8 October 2021 19: 33
          Good evening, Igor. I read all the comments, people evaluate the article in very different ways. What I liked the most is this:
          "the transition to a mobilization economy and partial closure from the disintegrating global world;
          the decisive importance of the leadership, organizing role of the state;
          the state takes control of the economic, informational and geographic space of the country;
          the idea of ​​a single economic plan for the country as a key organizing document for the revival and re-creation of the domestic economy based on the synthesis of the best aspects of state planning and market self-organization;
          subordination of the financial system to the goals of economic growth, providing the economy with cheap and long money;
          the new territorial policy is the priority of the state. Rejection of the strategy of megalopolis urbanization. From the territory of sixteen megalopolises and vast empty spaces, Russia should turn into an evenly populated and well-equipped low-rise country;
          formation of a single standard of management and quality of life throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Workplaces, schools, clinics, FAPs, pharmacies, shops, houses of culture, outdoor sports, leisure and more - all this must be preserved and provided everywhere, and where necessary, recreated in the field;
          nationalization of the elites on the principle "who is not with us is against us." Those “who are not with us” must realize that they risk losing everything. The meritocratic principle of the formation of new management personnel. The target task - for the Big Project - personnel reloading of the elites with the transfer of part of the capital's functions to Siberia;
          ensuring on a permanent basis the priorities of socio-economic development;
          education is the most important and key link in the new strategy. This is the social core of the entire mechanism for the implementation of the Big Project. This implies a sharp increase in the level of teacher support. By status: all teachers are civil servants;
          an increase in the level of satisfaction and happiness of people (index of happiness). The indicator of citizens' satisfaction should be mandatory and cross-cutting for all national projects, state programs and other strategic planning documents of a socio-economic orientation;
          growth of real incomes of the population. This indicator should be of primary importance, and GDP growth should be of subordinate importance;
          reliance on traditional values, history and culture of Russia;
          assembly of the "Russian world" - the return to the country of compatriots living abroad;
          a key indicator - population growth, including the growth of birth rate to a level not lower than the natural reproduction of the population;
          security issues are key! This is the basic platform for the implementation of the Large Project and the development of Russia as a whole;
          the Russian army and the military-industrial complex - the center of mobilization, economic revival, including the principles of control and planning based on the State Defense Order (SDO);
          the Russian army is the main source of the ideology of serving the Fatherland, the center for the formation and education of new nationally oriented managers for the state (education, medicine, science, etc.) and, among other things, for the revival of Russia through Big Projects;
          geosocial policy is strictly linked to the military-territorial structure and security issues of the country. "
          The goals are determined, it remains to determine the ways.
          1. +4
            8 October 2021 19: 52
            Quote: AlexGa
            The goals are determined, it remains to determine the ways.

            The ends justify the means and methods, anyway. It remains to decide whose goals these are, and for the benefit of whom these theses were voiced. For our reality is more and more relevant with the phrase attributed to Saltykov-Shchedrin. I'm talking about patriotism in the name of theft.
            Everyone understands everything, everyone sees solutions, and everyone is perplexed. why those in power do nothing.
            Yours faithfully, hi .
            1. +4
              8 October 2021 20: 09
              Ingvar 72. The most important thing is how clear from the author's groaning, that the USSR had to be defeated in order to save all mankind, and for this a worker-feudal Russia was created. And what she is like written by Maxim Gorky and this place is "At the bottom"!
              1. +3
                8 October 2021 20: 41
                Quote: zenion
                The most important thing is how clear it is from the author's groaning

                I'm not talking about the author's thoughts at the moment. On the "bottom" I agree.
            2. -1
              8 October 2021 22: 11
              Everyone understands everything, everyone sees solutions, and everyone is perplexed. why those in power do nothing.

              The question, in my opinion, is precisely what no one sees at the moment. There is such a clan, this is a Russian (if it can be called Russian) modern business, which will not just part with its privileges. According to normal business, first of all, it should solve the problems of its state. But this is not the case now.
          2. +3
            8 October 2021 19: 52
            nationalization of the elites on the principle "who is not with us is against us." Those “who are not with us” must realize that they risk losing everything. The meritocratic principle of the formation of new management personnel.

            You did a pretty good job ... made up a plan of action .. hi But you do not quite understand what it means to nationalize the elite ... It is impossible in today's realities .. The so-called "elite" is like metastases .. Only by surgery .. and who will go for it? That's the first thing that's not real ... absolutely not real. In this situation, the state will collapse .. Any action must be based on an idea .. an idea for a plan .. you made a plan, but there is no ideology under it .. Even though you tried to attract it ..
            the Russian army is the main source of the ideology of serving the Fatherland, the center for the formation and education of new nationally oriented managers for the state

            Ideology is a system of views and ideas, political programs and slogans, philosophical concepts that recognize and evaluate people's attitudes to reality and to each other, which express the interests of various social classes, groups, societies.
            You can serve the fatherland in different ways .. maybe for money .. but you can for an idea .. What idea does the army offer? Here you have an obvious gap .. just like above. There can be only one ideology ... and it must include social justice.
            1. -2
              8 October 2021 22: 16
              These are not my works, these are the thoughts of the advisor Shoigu in the article referred to by the author of this publication, which we are discussing. There is a link at the very beginning.
          3. +4
            8 October 2021 22: 05
            Eh ... one very bad analogy with a certain country and political system suggests itself
            1. 0
              8 October 2021 22: 21
              If it's not a secret, who do you mean? Written about the RF. When I read this article by Ilnitsky, I was so slightly puzzled myself.
            2. 0
              11 October 2021 15: 15
              Eh ... one very bad analogy with a certain country and political system suggests itself

              and do not speak
        3. 0
          9 October 2021 14: 37
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Wend
          we did not try on democracy, we were put on by the "Western partners"

          Can this be called a democracy? When are elections "drawn" for the sake of the authorities, when the courts pass sentences that contradict all the norms of law in force?

          This is true democracy. in the image and likeness of the US and the EU.
          1. -1
            9 October 2021 20: 55
            Quote: Wend
            This is true democracy. in the image and likeness of the US and the EU.

            And do not tell me what kind of democracy was carried by the Russian Social-Democratic Labor Party?
            1. 0
              11 October 2021 10: 52
              Quote: burger
              Quote: Wend
              This is true democracy. in the image and likeness of the US and the EU.

              And do not tell me what kind of democracy was carried by the Russian Social-Democratic Labor Party?

              Is it worth remembering the Bolshevik line? The Bolsheviks are gone.
      2. +9
        8 October 2021 16: 42
        Quote: Wend
        Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go.

        Can you briefly explain what this path is?
        1. +9
          8 October 2021 17: 30
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Wend
          Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go.

          Can you briefly explain what this path is?

          Those who write this do not themselves understand what kind of path it is. I just like the expression - it sounds beautiful. This is a kind of mantra - a set of sounds, individual phonemes, words or groups of words, which, in the opinion of practitioners, have a resonant (activate body zones), psychological and spiritual impact.
          1. +5
            8 October 2021 19: 02
            Quote: Hyperion
            This is a kind of mantra - a set of sounds, individual phonemes, words or groups of words, which, in the opinion of practitioners, have a resonant (activate body zones), psychological and spiritual impact.

            Therefore, our tennis players are screaming furiously belay
            "Hey gay! - I shouted asleep, Hey gay - the forest responded to me!"
            1. +5
              8 October 2021 20: 56
              Yesterday one of the "witnesses of the special Path" answered me the following:
              If you still do not understand this, then it is useless to explain it to you.

              Than doomed me to existential torment. I will die now without knowing the universal "truth" ...
              Mandalorians, damn it ...
              1. -1
                9 October 2021 14: 43
                Quote: Hyperion
                Yesterday one of the "witnesses of the special Path" answered me the following:
                If you still do not understand this, then it is useless to explain it to you.

                Than doomed me to existential torment. I will die now without knowing the universal "truth" ...
                Mandalorians, damn it ...

                Yes, he said correctly, everything is on the surface, there would be a desire to understand.
              2. 0
                9 October 2021 22: 14
                Quote: Hyperion
                Than doomed me to existential torment. I will die now without knowing the universal "truth" ...
                Mandalorians, damn it ...

                https://topwar.ru/187742-novye-temnye-veka-i-rossija.html#comment-id-11837387
                Not this one? I, too, as it turned out, do not know the "truth", since I do not believe.
                1. +2
                  10 October 2021 15: 08
                  No, not this one. But what's the difference? There are many who write about this, but they cannot / do not want to explain it ...
              3. +1
                10 October 2021 10: 30
                Quote: Hyperion
                Mandalorians, damn it ...

                There are not many "Lortsev" there - one or two on the horizon, but the main place, indeed, is occupied by this very ... "" feel
          2. -2
            9 October 2021 14: 42
            Quote: Hyperion
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Wend
            Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go.

            Can you briefly explain what this path is?

            Those who write this do not themselves understand what kind of path it is. I just like the expression - it sounds beautiful. This is a kind of mantra - a set of sounds, individual phonemes, words or groups of words, which, in the opinion of practitioners, have a resonant (activate body zones), psychological and spiritual impact.

            Well, if you don't understand, then you shouldn't think so about others either. It is enough to compare the development of the United States and Russia to understand. which way our country is going.
            1. +3
              9 October 2021 20: 23
              Quote: Wend
              Well, if you don't understand, then you shouldn't think so about others either.

              If you understand, then won't it make it difficult for you to describe this special path in general, so to speak, features? And then you know how it usually is: everyone writes about him, but does not give explanations. request You, Anatoly, seem to be a brainy person, write confidently about the path, so you can describe it in a nutshell, as they say ...
              1. 0
                11 October 2021 10: 59
                Quote: Hyperion
                Quote: Wend
                Well, if you don't understand, then you shouldn't think so about others either.

                If you understand, then won't it make it difficult for you to describe this special path in general, so to speak, features? And then you know how it usually is: everyone writes about him, but does not give explanations. request You, Anatoly, seem to be a brainy person, write confidently about the path, so you can describe it in a nutshell, as they say ...

                You should not extol me in my mind, there are many people who think differently. As far as I understand, modern Russian democracy combines the remnants of the socialist direction of the USSR, modern capitalism and the Russian mentality of the times of Imperial Russia (love for the Motherland). If it was possible to abolish the US Constitution imposed on Russia in the 90s, then the country's development would occur at a faster pace. Otherwise, according to this constitution, the president cannot even demand that ministers and officials fulfill their demands. Love for the Motherland is not in vogue now, it is in vogue to criticize a country that provides an opportunity to study, work and live with dignity. To live with dignity you have to work. I would like everything to work out in Russia at once, but this does not happen.
                1. 0
                  11 October 2021 12: 38
                  Quote: Wend
                  Russian mentality of the times of Imperial Russia (love for the Motherland).

                  And in Soviet times, they did not like the Motherland?
                  Quote: Wend
                  If it was possible to abolish the US Constitution imposed on Russia in the 90s

                  So they made the amendments? What, do we still have a constitution "imposed by the United States"? How so? They said that the amendments would make the constitution independent ... Again they slandered ...
                  Quote: Wend
                  Love for the Motherland is not in vogue now

                  Do not confuse the Motherland with the government.
                  1. -1
                    12 October 2021 17: 24
                    In Soviet times, the Motherland was loved by inertia, as in the continuation of the Russian Empire. If citizens loved the Soviet Motherland, the SSR would not have collapsed. The further we went from 1917, the less love for the Motherland remained.
                    Amendments were made, but this is only the first step, there is still so much to be changed in the Constitution. I am not confusing, now they are scolding Russia, not just the government.
                    If only the government were abused, they would notice positive changes in Russia.
                    1. 0
                      12 October 2021 18: 16
                      Quote: Wend
                      The further we went from 1917, the less love for the Motherland remained.

                      And if they had loved until the 17th year, then probably the Civil War would not have happened?
                      Quote: Wend
                      I do not confuse, now they are scolding Russia

                      Liberals scold Russia. The bulk of the people still love Russia. Therefore, they scold the government, seeing what it is doing with Russia.
                      Quote: Wend
                      then they would notice positive changes in Russia.

                      When you love, you point out the shortcomings so that the object of love will correct them and become better. Here is an example for you: you are ill, and your relatives tell you - Anatoly, go to the doctor, get medical treatment, we do not want to lose you. And if they don’t like it, if they don’t care, they will say - yes, everything is fine with you, you don’t need to go to the doctor, you are already handsome. Meanwhile, the disease is progressing ...
                      1. 0
                        14 October 2021 10: 48
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Quote: Wend
                        The further we went from 1917, the less love for the Motherland remained.

                        And if they had loved until the 17th year, then probably the Civil War would not have happened?
                        Quote: Wend
                        I do not confuse, now they are scolding Russia

                        Liberals scold Russia. The bulk of the people still love Russia. Therefore, they scold the government, seeing what it is doing with Russia.
                        Quote: Wend
                        then they would notice positive changes in Russia.

                        When you love, you point out the shortcomings so that the object of love will correct them and become better. Here is an example for you: you are ill, and your relatives tell you - Anatoly, go to the doctor, get medical treatment, we do not want to lose you. And if they don’t like it, if they don’t care, they will say - yes, everything is fine with you, you don’t need to go to the doctor, you are already handsome. Meanwhile, the disease is progressing ...

                        It was because of the love for Russia that the Civil War happened. Some loved Tsarist Russia, while others wanted to create their own Russia. And what is the government doing with Russia? Compare Russia in the 90s and modern Russia. In favor of which government will + be? That is exactly what they will say go to the doctor, and they will not bind you and drag you by force, they will not threaten you with weapons or issue ultimatums, they will not stop feeding, etc. And in 1917, no one spoke, and putting up a weapon, they began to threaten, organize strikes, began the collapse of the army, and so on. Some wanted to save Russia from the abyss where it began to slide, others wanted to destroy to the ground and create a new Russia.
                      2. 0
                        14 October 2021 15: 49
                        Quote: Wend
                        Some loved Tsarist Russia, while others wanted to create their own Russia.

                        One half loved tsarist Russia, and the other did not. On average, it turns out - there was no special love ...
                        Quote: Wend
                        And what is the government doing with Russia?

                        So, offhand: does not regulate prices and allows a bunch of oligarchs to enrich themselves.
                        Quote: Wend
                        Compare Russia in the 90s and modern Russia.

                        Now we will live like this all our lives - compare with the 90s? Slightly better than then - and okay ...
                      3. 0
                        14 October 2021 17: 46
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Quote: Wend
                        Some loved Tsarist Russia, while others wanted to create their own Russia.

                        One half loved tsarist Russia, and the other did not. On average, it turns out - there was no special love ...
                        Quote: Wend
                        And what is the government doing with Russia?

                        So, offhand: does not regulate prices and allows a bunch of oligarchs to enrich themselves.
                        Quote: Wend
                        Compare Russia in the 90s and modern Russia.

                        Now we will live like this all our lives - compare with the 90s? Slightly better than then - and okay ...

                        Not certainly in that way. A handful decided to seize power, then the intoxication of the people began, even the Bolsheviks after the Civil War had to work hard to make people believe in Russia.
                        The state does not have the right to regulate prices, thanks to the Constitution which the United States imposed on us in the 90s. Yes, compare with the 90s and do not forget. Do you think it's gotten a little better? You didn't live in the 90s then.
                      4. 0
                        15 October 2021 17: 21
                        Quote: Wend
                        then the intoxication of the people began

                        What are you talking about?
                        Quote: Wend
                        The state does not have the right to regulate prices, thanks to the Constitution that the United States imposed on us in the 90s

                        Regulation of prices and their ratios at the microeconomic level is carried out on the basis of supply and demand (equilibrium prices are established). At the macro level, price regulation should be carried out by the state.

                        Distinguish between direct and indirect government influence on prices. Direct, or administrative, intervention of the state in the current prices means the participation of the state in the formation of the levels, structure, ratios and dynamics of prices, the establishment of certain pricing rules.

                        In a market economy, regulated, as well as free, prices are set and approved by the enterprises themselves. State influence on such prices is carried out through methodological and organizational unity in setting prices for goods and services, in developing recommendations for their justification, including by industry.

                        Legal basis for state regulation of prices:
                        Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 7.
                        Federal Law No. 381-FZ of December 28.12.2009, 8,13 (Art. XNUMX).
                        Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 221 dated 28.02.1995.
                        Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 239 of 07.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                        Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 530 of 15.07.2010/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                        These laws and regulations provide for the levers of direct and indirect government regulation of pricing in the Russian Federation.

                        Quote: Wend
                        Yes, compare with the 90s and do not forget.

                        This is the wrong way to compare with the worst times. In this case, any more or less bearable present will look in the best light.
                        Quote: Wend
                        Do you think it's gotten a little better?

                        It's just that I see this logic. A little, not a little, but to live with an eye on the past, in terms of progress and development of the state - nothing good will come of it.
                      5. 0
                        18 October 2021 11: 52
                        Intoxicating the people, this is the creation of various committees, which began to engage in a talking shop and destroy everything that is possible, taking advantage of the gullibility of people. Also, the most important thing is the decree on land, it was in the end deceiving people, but they believed. And how did it end? Collective farms, forced resettlement, etc.
                        If you forget what the start was from, you will not be able to reach the finish line. Those who remember how bad it was, now appreciate the good that was achieved. And this does not prevent you from seeing the shortcomings, but it does not allow you to shout outrageously and accuse the government. The reality of what is happening does not slip away.
                        Real price regulation by the state succeeded only this year, and then for a small amount of goods, but gore for this began immediately. Business began to pressurize, not follow instructions, and so on.
                      6. 0
                        18 October 2021 13: 29
                        Quote: Wend
                        he does not let the frenzied yell and accuse the government

                        Frenzied? Yes, every day is a new reason.
                        Quote: Wend
                        If you forget what the start was from, you will not be able to reach the finish line.

                        And what is this "finish"? We only hear the start. Only - "it was worse in the 90s." And how it should be is unknown ...
                        Quote: Wend
                        Real price regulation by the state succeeded only this year

                        Wow ... Instruments for regulation have been available since the 90s, but it turned out only now, and then - with half a sin. But there is no time for buildup ...
        2. -3
          9 October 2021 14: 38
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Wend
          Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go.

          Can you briefly explain what this path is?

          Briefly, you can compare how the United States and Russia are developing.
      3. +5
        8 October 2021 20: 04
        Vend. Totally agree with you. In addition, I can add that I can compare the past with the present. Russia continues to move its own way, the easy way, Russia used to go uphill, today's Russia is going downhill. It is much easier to go down and no effort is needed. But a pebble gets in the way and Russia will roll down.
        1. -2
          9 October 2021 14: 44
          Quote: zenion
          Vend. Totally agree with you. In addition, I can add that I can compare the past with the present. Russia continues to move its own way, the easy way, Russia used to go uphill, today's Russia is going downhill. It is much easier to go down and no effort is needed. But a pebble gets in the way and Russia will roll down.

          Well, if in your understanding that in the 90s we went uphill and developed, now, according to you, we are going downhill? Did I understand you correctly?
      4. +3
        8 October 2021 20: 07
        Quote: Wend
        Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go

        Of course ... everyone goes ... everything flows and changes ... But the question is ... where is Russia going ... clearly not into a bright future ...
        1. -3
          9 October 2021 14: 45
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Wend
          Russia is not just catching up, it just went its own way and continues to go

          Of course ... everyone goes ... everything flows and changes ... But the question is ... where is Russia going ... clearly not into a bright future ...

          In comparison with the 90s, the present is already brighter and much brighter. and the future in comparison with the same USA is much brighter.
    3. +11
      8 October 2021 16: 40
      Quote: prior
      As already got calls and slogans.
      Listening to them there is no time left for work ....

      Didn't understand what you meant. But I will say this: the country has neither a plan nor a development concept; election campaigns should not be taken into account.
      1. +8
        8 October 2021 17: 56
        There is a concept, the government has approved an increase in tariffs for overhaul by 25% at once. Hike our old Russian world is really going to reassemble ... to the thread.
        1. +5
          8 October 2021 19: 19
          Quote: Pilot
          Hike our old Russian world is really going to reassemble ... to the thread.

          They are getting rid of the Russian world at an accelerated pace .. for the Russians can give back ..
        2. +12
          8 October 2021 19: 30
          Quote: Pilot
          There is a concept, the government has approved an increase in tariffs for overhaul by 25% at once. Hike our old Russian world is really going to reassemble ... to the thread.

          To rip off Russians under slogans about the Russian world is aerobatics, especially when the robbed themselves applaud the robber while standing.
          1. +2
            8 October 2021 19: 56
            Quote: Stroporez
            To rip off Russians under slogans about the Russian world is aerobatics, especially when the robbed themselves applaud the robber while standing.

            As usual .. you look at the root ... This is some kind of sur .. here, of course, we must pay tribute to how those who destroy us play it beautifully .. People need to understand one simple truth .. that you should not pay attention to words ..to treat requests with understanding .. you must always look at the result .. Everything else is from the evil one ..
            1. +3
              8 October 2021 20: 26
              Quote: Svarog
              ... This is some kind of sur ... here, of course, we must pay tribute to how those who destroy us play it beautifully .. People need to understand one simple truth ..

              Handsome men, behind their backs they call their adherents suckers and be / dlom, sipping champagne at 10 tysh euros per bottle and eating real Parmesan, which is forbidden for lohopedians. Not everyone understands that there is NO ball under persistence, and they are sometimes given 10 sput handouts and the show continues.
              Here on VO there are many of them, they are aggressive, they do not perceive explanations, they deny the truth, and I write down the truth-tellers as agents or madmen.
              Oil painting, damn it.
          2. +3
            8 October 2021 20: 21
            This is not aerobatics, but outrageous arrogance, which for some reason we forgive (
            1. +1
              8 October 2021 20: 29
              Quote: V is for B
              This is not aerobatics, but outrageous arrogance, which for some reason we forgive (

              In the underworld, insolence is a virtue.
              1. +3
                8 October 2021 20: 34
                Yes, arrogance is the second happiness.
    4. +7
      8 October 2021 19: 17
      Quote: prior
      As already got calls and slogans.
      Listening to them there is no time left for work ....

      I wanted to answer in detail .. but really .. slogans .. there are no prerequisites .. generally for jerks .. jumps .. jumps .. These, which are at the top .. they are like weights .. created a system in which it is not possible for the state to develop ..because nepotism and corruption, non-observance of laws .. not a single state has raised it from its knees ..
  2. +33
    8 October 2021 15: 10
    To be honest, there are too many slogans and few real proposals.
    "Nationalization of the elite" - how does the author imagine this? Change the names of Chubais, Deripaska, Abramovich to Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov?
    "Constant growth in the well-being of citizens" is generally such a hackneyed slogan that there is nothing to say.
    "The start of this project was proclaimed by Shoigu. These are new cities with the most advanced architecture, developed infrastructure and science, education and healthcare, comfortable, attractive and interesting for life - for young people, first of all" - and what prevents the existing cities of Siberia from doing with advanced infrastructure , science, health care ????
    At the moment, the authorities are happy with everything, why change something. Perhaps the governor - to the Duma, the minister - to the governors, the deputy - to the ministers.
    1. +10
      8 October 2021 16: 35
      Quote: Proton
      At the moment, the authorities are happy with everything, why change something. Perhaps the governor - to the Duma, the minister - to the governors, the deputy - to the ministers.

      Of course it suits, the resources are still there, the people are not outraged, but quietly, but quickly dying out. In general, it is quite a normal cemetery stabilizer.
      1. +10
        8 October 2021 16: 39
        but quickly dies out.
        or knocks out of the country.
    2. -2
      8 October 2021 17: 15
      To be honest, there are too many slogans and few real proposals.

      The main thing is that the goals are indicated.
      The basis of the new strategy for the geosocial and geo-economic structure of the country is three components: security, people's preservation and territorial and economic connectivity.


      By the way, the term "people's preservation" has taken root. wink
      In the original source it was like this:

      But on our internal paths, among all the newly emerging state programs and goals - the first - and beyond any numbered list! - the government duty should always remain: SAVING THE PEOPLE, ensuring invariably favorable conditions for their physical well-being and moral health.
      1. +1
        8 October 2021 19: 08
        Quote: Arzt
        The main thing is that the goals are indicated.

        All in all, 30 years have passed.
        Quote: Arzt
        By the way, the term "people's preservation" has taken root.

        It sounds like a mockery against the backdrop of a disgusting birth rate, a pogrom of medicine, high mortality and poverty of the bulk of the population.
        Quote: Arzt
        In the original source it was like this:

        I shake hands not properly.
  3. -1
    8 October 2021 15: 13
    Come on, just as the Communist Bolsheviks and their supporters after their capture of Russia, everything they did, said, wrote, proved what they wanted and what they were capable of, so did their enemies after they captured the RSFSR, everything they did, they said and wrote, proved what they want and what they were capable of, and nothing else will happen.
    1. +19
      8 October 2021 15: 20
      Someone please translate. request
      1. +21
        8 October 2021 15: 41
        In the USSR, the police went almost unarmed, and the police are sitting in their offices behind steel doors with an intercom and talking to you over the intercom. If anything, they won't let you in. This is a translation of historical arrows for you, Kostya))
      2. +7
        8 October 2021 15: 46
        “Klitschko Syndrome” - “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Or rather, not only everyone can watch, very few people can do it. "
      3. +3
        8 October 2021 15: 57
        In a nutshell:
        "... They will simply die, and we will go to heaven" ...
      4. -4
        8 October 2021 16: 51
        What an idiotic answer? They also installed the same plus signs.
        1. +5
          8 October 2021 16: 59
          Ira love , this is not an answer, but a question. And if the question seems idiotic to you, then, obviously, the whole point is in the text to which this question arose. smile
          I also gave you a plus sign, because deservedly so.
          1. -2
            8 October 2021 17: 21
            It was an ANSWER to me, and a stupid question "into space". And if you are not able to understand the texts you have read, this is a matter of your intellect.
            1. +8
              8 October 2021 17: 37
              if you are not able to understand the texts you have read


              And I unstuck you plus, I really liked it - it rarely happens to look at the text, like an Indian at a typewriter ... laughing
            2. +6
              8 October 2021 17: 46
              And if you are not able to understand the texts you have read, this is a matter of your intellect.

              Well, what can you do with this intelligence, as it is, it is. I understand that your texts are designed for highly intelligent people who understand all the intricacies of human thought, but, as an exception, they could condescend to the uneducated masses, of which I, in your opinion, am a representative. smile
      5. +3
        8 October 2021 17: 31
        Come on, just as the Communist Bolsheviks and their supporters after their capture of Russia, everything they did, said, wrote, proved what they wanted and what they were capable of, so did their enemies after they captured the RSFSR, everything they did, they said and wrote, proved what they want and what they were capable of, and nothing else will happen.


        Someone please translate.


        Bolshevik communists captured Russia, and their enemies - the RSFSR. lol
        1. +2
          8 October 2021 17: 48
          Thanks. At least something became clear. wassat
    2. +8
      8 October 2021 15: 56
      The time of the "reassembly" of the Russian world ...

      Uzbekistan leases up to a million hectares of fertile land from Russia. Reassembling the Uzbek world?
      1. +2
        8 October 2021 16: 09
        Have you decided to turn Siberian rivers to Uzbekistan yet?
        Who knows ... maybe such an idea may appear in the Kremlin's minds.
      2. -3
        8 October 2021 17: 42
        Uzbekistan leases up to a million hectares of fertile land from Russia. Reassembling the Uzbek world?

        Yeah. Potatoes are grown for borscht. laughing
  4. +13
    8 October 2021 15: 16
    A little earlier I had to read an article with analysis of Ilnitsky's "flight of thought" on Shoigu's proposals.
    As far as can be understood, neither Ilnitsky nor Shoigu gave a clear understanding for the Russian audience of the real need to create new cities beyond the Urals. The idea is crude and incomprehensible, and therefore hardly realizable until there is a real desire of a significant part of the country's population to harness its embodiment.
    1. +17
      8 October 2021 15: 30
      Quote: credo
      As far as can be understood, neither Ilnitsky nor Shoigu gave a clear understanding for the Russian audience of the real need to create new cities beyond the Urals.

      As far as you can understand, this is a cheap election populism from Shoigu.
      1. +13
        8 October 2021 15: 41
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Quote: credo
        As far as can be understood, neither Ilnitsky nor Shoigu gave a clear understanding for the Russian audience of the real need to create new cities beyond the Urals.

        As far as you can understand, this is a cheap election populism from Shoigu.

        Yes, it used to be possible to drive the people into a deserted steppe, taiga, swamp or later with campaigning there under the slogan "The party said" It is necessary "- the Komsomol answered" Yes "- for the construction of cities and the development of territories. And now, apart from populism, there seem to be no other thoughts left.
        1. +1
          9 October 2021 23: 57
          People will move to comfortable cities with guaranteed jobs and good salaries from somewhere else! Guests from Central Asia and other places will go to the swamp to build and earn! Another question is what are they going to do in these cities? With what fright will the work appear there? I suppose to collect Armata what another question arises where for these scientific and industrial settlements (300-1000 thousand people) they will recruit specialists of all profiles? belay Moscow and Peter will be resettled laughing and what about the scientific and industrial base, what to do? If specialists are taken to Siberia?
          The idea is strange with cities, today in Russia completely different problems need to be solved!
  5. +20
    8 October 2021 15: 17
    The only real way to rebuild this mess and somehow survive is to return Soviet power. For 30 years, our capitalism and its leaders have shown very clearly that they cannot and do not want to do anything but plunder the Soviet legacy. What kind of development there is, what kind of future .. They do not care about the country and the people. No - only socialism, there is simply no other option. Otherwise we will die stupidly.
    1. 0
      8 October 2021 15: 49
      "Do you also know the method?" Asked the interested Bormental.
      - But what is the way, - becoming talkative after vodka, explained Sharikov, - it's a simple matter. But what about: one in seven rooms settled in pants, he has forty pairs, and the other hangs around, looking for food in trash boxes ... "
      All jokes aside, how do you now propose to build socialism and return Soviet power? It is also interesting what you actually mean by this concept.
      1. -3
        8 October 2021 16: 16
        One tablet is enough to prohibit private ownership of land and means of production. Small business without hired workers. Truncated.
        1. +6
          8 October 2021 16: 29
          Quote: prior
          prohibit private ownership of land and means of production

          and how do you see small business then if there is no ownership of the means of production?
          1. -4
            8 October 2021 16: 31
            like a family one.
            Plow your garden yourself, maintain your hotel or hairdresser yourself. If you want to use someone else's labor - use the labor of your wife, mother-in-law. children. And pay them with income.
            1. +5
              8 October 2021 16: 36
              Quote: prior
              Plow your own garden

              what if there is no ownership of the tractor?
              Quote: prior
              run your hotel or hairdresser yourself

              can you hear yourself?
              there is nothing wrong with hiring employees in a small business, especially since neither a hotel nor a hairdresser can work with one person
              there should be a clear dependence of the minimum wage at the enterprise on the maximum
              the implementation of labor laws must be strictly monitored
              Quote: prior
              If you want to use someone else's labor - use the labor of your wife, mother-in-law. children. And pay them with income.

              where do you work?
              1. 0
                8 October 2021 16: 40
                All inequality from wage labor. A priori the employer will take more for himself, but does he earn more?
                1. +4
                  8 October 2021 16: 43
                  Quote: prior
                  A priori the employer will take more for himself, but does he earn more?

                  don't you mind that the academician gets more MNS?
                  first create something and then you will argue
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2021 16: 46
                    Without a change in ownership, all our talk about change and fairness is meaningless. And there are more nuances than both of us together can imagine. It’s in vain that we had a civil war, but people are still divided into red and white people.
                    Speaking of academics. Scientists in the field of economics are like mud and what? Does this make it easier for the economy? Then what are they paid for?
                    1. +1
                      8 October 2021 16: 49
                      Quote: prior
                      Without a change in ownership, all our talk about change and fairness is meaningless.

                      how dashingly you left the question
                      Quote: prior
                      It’s in vain that we had a civil war, but people are still divided into red and white people.

                      you perfectly understand that the war was about something completely different, well, I hope you understand

                      so all the same who should receive more academician or MNS?
                      1. -4
                        8 October 2021 16: 52
                        Academicians are different ...
                      2. +1
                        8 October 2021 16: 53
                        Quote: prior
                        Academicians are different ...

                        excuse me from Odessa ?!
                        can you clearly answer who should receive more academician or MNS?
                      3. -4
                        8 October 2021 17: 36
                        Well, the comrade simply wants to leave millions of people without work and livelihoods and arrange "war communism." There was beauty: there was not even money, consider it.
                      4. -3
                        8 October 2021 20: 17
                        Quote: Ryazanets87
                        Well, the comrade simply wants to leave millions of people without work and livelihoods and arrange "war communism

                        Comrade expressed a very correct idea .. in my opinion .. Of course he was brief .. and there is a lot to add here .. But this is the main thing. And most importantly, everything is very simple.
                        One tablet is enough to prohibit private ownership of land and means of production. Small business without hired workers. Truncated.

                        And military communism is a response to the reluctance to observe democracy .. If the majority want to live differently .. the minority must listen .. otherwise it will be bad.
                      5. +2
                        8 October 2021 22: 28
                        And what if the minority "votes" with their feet from such an advanced country? Better to lower the "iron curtain" in advance laughing
                      6. -1
                        9 October 2021 02: 23
                        most of them never ask about anything. He is presented with a fact. And war communism, in its essence, could not be the will of the majority, like any experiment that directly contradicts human nature.
                      7. +1
                        8 October 2021 19: 18
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you perfectly understand that the war was about something completely different

                        The war was all about the same. Because someone crap like a damned one and at the same time finished the last horseradish without salt, and someone rode on someone else's hump without really straining and crunching a French bun.
                      8. -4
                        9 October 2021 02: 25
                        and this is the natural state of human society. As long as there are smart people and - it will always be so.
                      9. -1
                        9 October 2021 10: 35
                        Well then, do not noah if, on occasion, your relatives will perish in another war, and you yourself will become a useless cripple. Or some other goodies from the right capitalism will hit you in the head. Mother's Atlanta you understand. Divorced you like cockroaches.
                  2. +3
                    8 October 2021 19: 14
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    and you are not confused that the academician receives more MNS?

                    Doesn't it bother you that some official or huckster gets more than an academician?
                    1. -1
                      8 October 2021 20: 46
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Doesn't it bother you that some official or huckster gets more than an academician?

                      it is embarrassing and even very much, but either you did not understand what the argument was about or you are trying to steer the topic aside
                      1. -1
                        8 October 2021 21: 07
                        I perfectly understood what the dispute was about. You don’t understand that by offering to leave private ownership of the means of production, you automatically suggest that the official and the huckster will receive more than the academician.
                2. -1
                  10 October 2021 00: 01
                  You would need to live on Valaam as a monk for a couple of years to feel the charm of a personal economy laughing and then speculate about hired labor!
                  And the efficiency of enterprises you are not aware of what depends on?
              2. -3
                8 October 2021 17: 16
                what if there is no ownership of the tractor?

                The machine and tractor station (MTS) is a state agricultural enterprise in the USSR and a number of other socialist countries, which provided technical and organizational assistance to large producers of the agro-industrial complex. Created everywhere during the years of collectivization in the USSR, MTS played a significant role in organizing and strengthening collective farms, servicing and repairing tractors, combines and other leased machines. " Employees of the MTS were considered employees of city enterprises, had benefits due to them.
                1. -2
                  8 October 2021 20: 48
                  this is already demagogy, besides the tractor, which was an example, there are also separators, milking machines, etc. etc.
                  And if I extract honey, what about honey extractors and other means of production ?!
                  1. -3
                    8 October 2021 21: 25
                    other means of production?
                    obviously it will be an artel. (cooperative) property.
                    1. -1
                      9 October 2021 00: 09
                      What if I work alone on a pike, or keep a dozen other goats?
              3. -4
                8 October 2021 20: 11
                what if there is no ownership of the tractor?

                Why not .. and the motorcycle is also not supposed ..? I do not understand your answer .. please clarify ..
                can you hear yourself?
                there is nothing wrong with hiring employees in a small business, especially since neither a hotel nor a hairdresser can work with one person
                there should be a clear dependence of the minimum wage at the enterprise on the maximum
                the implementation of labor laws must be strictly monitored

                Sometimes you are very reasonable pishite..no not this raz..sovsem not understand anything .. that you wanted to say?
                1. -1
                  8 October 2021 20: 49
                  If I am a private trader, and I am engaged in individual production, why can't I own the means of production?
                  1. -5
                    8 October 2021 20: 57
                    If I am a private trader, and I am engaged in individual production, why can't I own the means of production?

                    Who forbids you? Here in the USSR there were apartments .. they were not owned .. but they could be inherited .. And what did it change for a person? He lived, then his grandchildren lived ... but in fact the apartment was from the state.
                    1. -1
                      9 October 2021 00: 10
                      Quote: Svarog
                      There were apartments in the USSR ... they were not owned ... but they could be inherited ...

                      do not write nonsense
            2. +1
              8 October 2021 18: 29
              like a family one.
              Plow your garden yourself, maintain your hotel or hairdresser yourself. If you want to use someone else's labor - use the labor of your wife, mother-in-law. children. And pay them with income.

              And to drink with the father-in-law. laughing drinks
          2. +7
            8 October 2021 16: 39
            The Stalinist version of the artels does not suit you, of course?
            1. +2
              8 October 2021 16: 44
              completely, but this in no way contradicts my proposal, collective ownership may well get along with private
              1. +4
                8 October 2021 16: 49
                No. Private property will always by definition be a source of theft, corruption and attempts to take power by the petty bourgeois class. It can get along at a certain stage - but only under the most severe state control. As, for example, in China - but even there, if they do not begin to finally transition to socialism in the near future - they are clearly facing very big problems. Because money will always strive to crush any power under itself, this is their essence. Because the easiest way to acquire and increase these is just the seizure of power and the deriban of the treasury.
                1. +2
                  8 October 2021 16: 52
                  Quote: paul3390
                  No. Private property - by definition will always be a source of theft

                  folly
                  I had a typography, OWN, I created it myself
                  I did not steal from anyone, I did not corrupt anyone, I didn’t care about the authorities, I worked quietly
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Because money will always strive to crush any power

                  that is, money is evil?
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Because the easiest way to acquire and increase these is just the seizure of power and the deriban of the treasury.

                  humanity is doomed ?!
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2021 17: 03
                    They didn't steal - because there was nothing ..

                    Yes. Money is evil.

                    Yes. Doomed. If it does not move to the next stage of development - socialism.
                    1. 0
                      8 October 2021 17: 43
                      Quote: paul3390
                      They didn't steal - because there was nothing ..

                      why should I steal from myself ?!
                      1. +2
                        8 October 2021 17: 51
                        Vooot .. I say - because there was nothing .. As soon as you find something - are you sure that you will resist the temptation? wink

                        Let's say the sovereign yaryzhka comes to you, and says: There is a fucking state-owned customer. You say the price is 100. With your fat we will say 10. And he for you - let's put 150 to the treasury? 30 me back, the rest - to you? Theft? And yak! Will you go - or show your principles? what
                      2. 0
                        8 October 2021 18: 14
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I say - because there was nothing ..

                        once again, explain WHY they steal from my own enterprise if I am the owner, they stole from me, the leftist persecuted the printer, you can understand this, but why do I need it if it's mine? !!!
                        Quote: paul3390
                        30 me back, the rest - to you? Theft? And yak! Will you go - or show your principles?

                        take off your rose-colored glasses, they stole both in the Union and in a primitive society
                      3. +6
                        8 October 2021 18: 19
                        Uh-uh, my friend, did they steal under the Union? Compared to the nonesh ones, they were tyrling on little things, and even then - already in later times, under the collapse. You see, the non-cash Soviet ruble, the main instrument of the economy, could not be cashed out in principle. And therefore - to steal. In addition, even with a certain amount of cash, you would still not be able to roam, because the organs would immediately become interested in you. And then - the point is not in theft as a given, but in its scale and the reaction of society and the state to it, isn't it?

                        And I am not saying that they will steal - from themselves! Do whatever you want with your money. But from the state and citizens - they will tyrit at the first opportunity ..
                      4. 0
                        8 October 2021 20: 53
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Uh-uh, my friend, did they steal under the Union?

                        we are not talking about the scale, but about the theft process in principle
                        Quote: paul3390
                        You see - the non-cash Soviet ruble, the main instrument of the economy, could not be cashed out in principle. And therefore - to steal.

                        ooooo
                        how little do you know about this case
                        the simplest example Nikolay Maksimovich Pavlenko
                        in addition, you can cash out raw materials and goods, and non-cash rubles as well
                        Quote: paul3390
                        And I am not saying that they will steal - from themselves! Do whatever you want with your money. But from the state and citizens - they will tyrit at the first opportunity ..

                        that is, it does not depend on the type of property or on the social system
                        that is, excuse me, your statement is incorrect that a change in formation will defeat theft
                      5. -1
                        8 October 2021 19: 26
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        take off your rose-colored glasses, they stole both in the Union and in a primitive society

                        That is, you will agree.
                      6. 0
                        8 October 2021 20: 53
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        That is, you will agree.

                        with what?!
                        so that you come to dispossess me?
                        FIG YOU!
                      7. -4
                        8 October 2021 21: 12
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        with what?!

                        Of course, to cheat for the sake of profit. And the fact that you are an enemy of socialism and the entire working class might not even say. It's obvious. It just couldn't be otherwise.
                      8. 0
                        8 October 2021 18: 29
                        show integrity?
                        You have a wide field of choice. Now, if he says, agree or cover the business,
                    2. +1
                      8 October 2021 18: 31
                      Yes. Money is evil.

                      Yes. Doomed. If it does not move to the next stage of development - socialism.

                      Incentive money. Without incentive, everything is doomed. No.
                      1. 0
                        8 October 2021 19: 30
                        When Newton, Gaus, Euler, Maxwell, Mendeleev, Einstein made their discoveries, did they do it solely in order to make a lot of money on it?
                      2. +2
                        8 October 2021 20: 20
                        When Newton, Gaus, Euler, Maxwell, Mendeleev, Einstein made their discoveries, did they do it solely in order to make a lot of money on it?

                        Newton discovered the law of gravity financial: what greatly increasing in price, and most of all falls.
                        When I lost 4 lemma greens on the shares of the South Seas company. laughing

                        Gauss:



                        When Catherine II invited Euler to the Russian Academy of Sciences, he put forward conditions:
                        - the post of vice-president of the Academy with a salary of 3000 rubles;
                        - an annual pension of 1000 rubles to a spouse in case of his death;
                        - paid positions for his three sons, including the post of the Secretary of the Academy for the senior.

                        The Maxwell family estate:


                        Mendeleev was engaged in chemistry 10% of the time. The rest of the time was taken up by the business - from the cheese dairy and the production of suitcases to one of the main economic advisers of Nicholas II.
                        https://mamlas.livejournal.com/3437470.html
                        He had money like mud. Just figure out how many you need to visit all this. And not just visit, but hang out with friends. laughing

                        Einstein's legacy, which he handed over to the University of Jerusalem, brings in 10 lems of income a year.
                      3. -6
                        8 October 2021 20: 31
                        A lot of words. But there is still no answer to the question. The fact that they could make money with their minds is in no way an answer to the question. All people make money. There is no other way in a capitalist economy. The question was whether they were doing it solely for the money. I'm waiting for an answer.
                      4. +1
                        8 October 2021 20: 45
                        All people make money. There is no other way in a capitalist economy.
                        The question was whether they were doing it solely for the money. I'm waiting for an answer.

                        Of course, they were NOT doing it ONLY for the money. Interesting work, recognition, fame are also incentives.
                        The specific weight of all this is difficult to assess in each specific case, but I think without money they would not have taken place like great scientists. love

                        All this is also true for the socialist economy. wink
                      5. -3
                        8 October 2021 21: 03
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Of course, they were NOT doing it ONLY for the money.

                        I am glad that I did not hear once again the demagoguery, worn out to holes.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        but I think without money they would not have taken place like great scientists.

                        Of course. But it was for them to make money only to help their favorite cause as far as I know it. That is, if they had the opportunity to deal exclusively with science without distraction, they would only be doing it and on financial issues.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        All this is also true for the socialist economy.

                        A socialist economy is not an upgrade to a capitalist one. They are fundamentally different.
                      6. +1
                        8 October 2021 21: 15
                        A socialist economy is not an upgrade to a capitalist one. They are fundamentally different.

                        But she doesn't work without money either. But what incentives will be under communism, even Marx did not really explain. wink
                      7. -1
                        8 October 2021 20: 56
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        All people make money. There is no other way in a capitalist economy.

                        and in a socialist otherwise ?!
                        do you forgive you at school that you studied?
                        from each according to his ability, to each according to his work
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The question was whether they were doing it solely for the money. I'm waiting for an answer.

                        if they do it solely for the sake of money, this is a mental disorder, you cannot eat money with them, you cannot hide, money is a tool
                      8. -3
                        8 October 2021 21: 18
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and in a socialist otherwise ?!

                        In the socialist it is different. In it you work for yourself and for the good of the whole society. In the capitalist, you mostly work for the parasite owner class and a little for yourself. Under capitalism, there is much less chance of realizing your talents. Under capitalism, you look with fear into tomorrow.
                      9. 0
                        8 October 2021 21: 37
                        In the socialist it is different. In it you work for yourself and for the good of the whole society. In the capitalist, you mostly work for the parasite owner class and a little for yourself. Under capitalism, there is much less chance of realizing your talents. Under capitalism, you look with fear into tomorrow.

                        The capitalist economy is natural, it corresponds to human nature.

                        General logic according to Adam Smith:

                        The main motive of a person's economic activity is his selfish interest. But a person can realize his interest only by providing services to other people, offering in exchange his labor and products of labor. This is how the division of labor develops. People help each other and at the same time contribute to the development of society, although everyone cares only about their own interests.

                        The natural desire of people to improve their financial situation is such a powerful incentive that, if not hindered, it can by itself lead society to prosperity. Therefore, it is impossible to limit the natural freedom of man - the freedom to sell and buy, to hire and hire, to produce and consume.

                        Each individual person seeks to use his capital so that his product has the greatest value. Usually, he does not think about the public benefit at the same time. He pursues only his own interest, but in this case, as in many others, he is guided by an invisible hand towards a goal that was not at all part of his intentions.


                        The socialist economy is unnatural. It requires the constant presence of regulators, supervisors and planners, and is still less effective than the capitalist one. request
                      10. 0
                        8 October 2021 22: 13
                        Quote: Arzt
                        The socialist economy is unnatural.

                        But I was glad on you too.
                        In what way is it unnatural? Adam Smith talks about self-interest. But what is this self-interest? Some state always inherent at any moment of time, or is there something that provokes the emergence of this very self-interest? This is the first thing. And secondly, a person outside of society is not a person, and Adam Smith, speaking about the self-interest of individual people, talks about the interaction of these very people, that is, no matter how you want, you will have to think not only about your own self-interest, but also take into account the interests of other people. Think about it, and maybe you will stop writing this demagogic rubbish worn out to holes once again.
                      11. -1
                        9 October 2021 08: 15
                        In what way is it unnatural? ...
                        And secondly, a person outside of society is not a person, and Adam Smith, speaking about the self-interest of individual people, talks about the interaction of these very people, that is, no matter how you want, you will have to think not only about your own self-interest, but also take into account the interests of other people. Think about it, and maybe you will stop writing this demagogic rubbish worn down to holes once again.

                        The fact that a person will not work for his uncle without serious interest.

                        According to Smith, the interests of others are not deliberately considered. Everyone works for himself, the most enterprising people fill the empty niches of goods and services, as a result the whole society wins (the invisible hand of the market).

                        Under socialism, a store near your house will be built in a year, according to the state plan, and under capitalism, it will grow there in a month or even more.
                        It will grow by itself. laughing

                        There is also a conscious social work, from the artel to the rescue of a submarine in an emergency. But there should be a clear statement that there is no way without teamwork.

                        Adam Smith talks about self-interest. But what is this self-interest? Some state always inherent at any moment of time, or is there something that provokes the emergence of this very self-interest?

                        A sense of ownership. A deep desire to own a beautiful thing. It happens not only in humans, but even in birds, for example.
                      12. -1
                        9 October 2021 09: 43
                        Quote: Arzt
                        According to Smith, the interests of others are not deliberately considered.

                        To say that a person always takes into account the interests of other people unconsciously means putting him on the same level not even with a monkey, but with even more primitive animals.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Everyone works for himself, the most enterprising people fill the empty niches of goods and services, as a result the whole society wins (the invisible hand of the market).

                        Yes, society wins as history has shown. But chaos is ineffective. Therefore, with all the chaos of the market, planning is present in it from birth in the beginnings. This is to the question that the socialist economy is unnatural. smile
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Under socialism, a store near your house will be built in a year, according to the state plan, and under capitalism, it will grow there in a month or even more.
                        It will grow by itself.

                        If you have a good plan, you can wait 10 years. Under capitalism, these shops, thoughtlessly growing like mushrooms after rain, are a useless waste of resources.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        A sense of ownership. A deep desire to own a beautiful thing. It happens not only in humans, but even in birds, for example.

                        Why does the sense of ownership arise? smile
                      13. 0
                        9 October 2021 10: 32
                        Why does the sense of ownership arise? smile

                        Because you want to eat.



                        But unlike the lion, man has learned not only to get meat, but also to produce vodka and Porsche. And they also need to be able to get and protect.

                        And it is better to learn how to produce and protect not all goods, but one, the one that, as Marx taught, "adopted for the role of a universal equivalent." laughing
                      14. -2
                        9 October 2021 12: 01
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Because you want to eat.

                        And when you don't feel like eating, food loses its value.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        And it is better to learn how to produce and protect not all goods, but one, the one that, as Marx taught, "adopted for the role of a universal equivalent."

                        Democratic values?
                      15. +1
                        9 October 2021 12: 37
                        Democratic values?

                        Steeper. Money. laughing

                        "Money functions as an ideal purchasing medium."
                        K. Marx Capital.
                      16. +1
                        9 October 2021 10: 38
                        If you have a good plan, you can wait 10 years. Under capitalism, these shops, thoughtlessly growing like mushrooms after rain, are a useless waste of resources.

                        Here you are greatly mistaken. Capitalism is primarily about profitability.
                        A senseless waste of resources just under socialism, when the ruling elite distributes people's money to unprofitable Wishlist.
                      17. -3
                        9 October 2021 12: 10
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Capitalism is primarily about profitability.

                        Don't confuse profitability with a waste of resources. The production of a hundred thousand modifications of the iPhone a year can be quite cost-effective, but from the point of view of the efficiency of using resources, this is a pointless waste of them. So you are the one who is wrong. And I'm not only talking about this, but also the hardest capitalists.
                      18. 0
                        9 October 2021 12: 45
                        Don't confuse profitability with a waste of resources. The production of a hundred thousand modifications of the iPhone a year can be quite cost-effective, but from the point of view of the efficiency of using resources, this is a pointless waste of them. So you are the one who is wrong. And I'm not only talking about this, but also the hardest capitalists.

                        What is a waste of resources? I do not understand.

                        There is a product (iPhone). Certain resources were spent on its production. Material + labor of workers.

                        If you bought a product, then someone needs it. This means that the resources were not wasted.
                        If the costs have paid off, the cycle is cost effective. If you manage to weld (get a surplus value according to Marx) - generally excellent. good
                      19. -2
                        9 October 2021 13: 09
                        Quote: Arzt
                        What is a waste of resources?

                        All of you perfectly understand.
                        Humanity has a bunch of problems that are much more important than the release of a new modification of the iPhone. But resources are wasted on an iPhone. And not only that, such a waste of resources creates additional problems with mountains of all kinds of shit, which is often extremely difficult to process. And such wild exploitation ultimately leads to the depletion of readily available resources, which in the long term can lead to extremely unpleasant consequences.
                      20. 0
                        9 October 2021 21: 32
                        About profitability and waste of resources. In 1920, a certain Ludwig von Mises put forward a "calculational argument". The bottom line is that the price of a product or resource is information about the balance of supply and demand, and a self-regulating mechanism for the allocation of resources is obtained. In a planned economy, the price does not carry such information and the subjects of the economy are not able to efficiently allocate resources, which leads to a shortage of both resources and goods.
                        In my opinion, practice has clearly proved the validity of this statement, all planned economies lived in the desperate deficit of everything that was possible.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The production of a hundred thousand modifications of the iPhone a year can be quite cost-effective, but from the point of view of the efficiency of using resources, this is a pointless waste of them.

                        Modern economics is aimed at meeting human needs. People want them, so they make sense. What do you propose to live for?
                      21. -4
                        9 October 2021 22: 55
                        Quote: burger
                        In a planned economy, the price does not carry such information and the subjects of the economy are not able to efficiently allocate resources, which leads to a shortage of both resources and goods.

                        This is bullshit. The deficit problems in the planned economy were not because of this. The same needs of people can be tracked not in terms of price. And in general, this is a rather primitive indicator.
                        Quote: burger
                        In my opinion, practice has clearly proved the validity of this statement, all planned economies lived in the desperate deficit of everything that was possible.

                        But in my opinion, no. You just need to know how to use the planned economy.
                        Quote: burger
                        Modern economics is aimed at meeting human needs.

                        Any economy is aimed at this. The whole question is to what extent. And how many people.
                        Quote: burger
                        People want them, so they make sense.

                        And they want heaps of shit in the appendage and shitty ecology? Probably not. Or let's die from covid but with a new iPhone? Probably not in the mass again. I'm not talking about the fact that everyone needs to become ascetics, but about the fact that consumption is already taking on some completely wild forms. When people, because of momentary wants, create serious problems for themselves.
                        Quote: burger
                        What do you propose to live for?

                        Certainly not for the sake of consumption for the sake of consumption.
                      22. -1
                        10 October 2021 13: 00
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        This is bullshit. The deficit problems in the planned economy were not because of this. The same needs of people can be tracked not in terms of price. And in general, this is a rather primitive indicator.

                        This theory was developed by von Mises together with Hayekli, the Nobel Prize in Economics, and what are your achievements? They also pointed to the impossibility of the planning body to take into account all the subtleties of the interaction of economic entities.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        But in my opinion, no. You just need to know how to use the planned economy.

                        Not one planned economy has been able to avoid a deficit, or no one knows how to use it, or it is a systemic problem of the planned economy.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And they want heaps of shit in the appendage and shitty ecology? Probably not. Or let's die from covid but with a new iPhone? Probably not in the mass again. I'm not talking about the fact that everyone needs to become ascetics, but about the fact that consumption is already taking on some completely wild forms. When people, because of momentary wants, create serious problems for themselves.

                        The more iPhones are sold, the more the state will receive funds for solving problems in the form of taxes. Regulatory functions of states have not been canceled.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Certainly not for the sake of consumption for the sake of consumption.

                        And for what?
                      23. -1
                        10 October 2021 14: 23
                        Quote: burger
                        This theory was developed by von Mises together with Hayekli, the Nobel Prize in Economics, and what are your achievements?

                        I have my own head on my shoulders as a merit. Her von Mises manuals are not a substitute for me. And in general, this is a cheap demagogic trick. It doesn't work against me.
                        Quote: burger
                        They also pointed to the impossibility of the planning body to take into account all the subtleties of the interaction of economic entities.

                        The market economy is also not capable of this. The problem of a planned economy, as I understand it, is the complexity of restructuring plans with the growth and complication of the economy.
                        Quote: burger
                        The more iPhones are sold, the more the state will receive funds for solving problems in the form of taxes. Regulatory functions of states have not been canceled.

                        We make a bunch of iPhone modifications, we get a bunch of hard-to-recycle junk, an environmental disaster and sales taxes, we try to clear up problems with taxes. Profit? Don't you think that you could have tried to avoid the problem, instead of creating it and then heroically overcoming it? Regulatory function of the state which is a tool for protecting its own interests in the hands of the dictatorship of capital? Very funny joke.
                      24. 0
                        11 October 2021 14: 50
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        I have my own head on my shoulders as a merit. Her von Mises manuals are not a substitute for me. And in general, this is a cheap demagogic trick. It doesn't work against me.

                        That is, the opinion of well-known economists without any justification to call this an expensive demagogic trick is nonsense?
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The market economy is also not capable of this.

                        Better than planned, judging by elusive signs.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The problem of a planned economy, as I understand it, is the complexity of restructuring plans with the growth and complication of the economy.

                        Almost the same thing is said by these economists, but not with the complication, but initially.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        We make a bunch of iPhone modifications, we get a bunch of hard-to-recycle trash, an environmental disaster and sales taxes, we try to clear up problems with taxes. Profit? Don't you think you could have tried to avoid the problem, instead of creating it and then heroically overcoming it?

                        There are much more problems with coal or aluminum production, and now what to give up heating and airplanes?
                        The state should stimulate the minimization of environmental harm. And the process goes on.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Regulatory function of the state which is a tool for protecting its own interests in the hands of the dictatorship of capital? Very funny joke.

                        You are oversimplifying everything. When you move from Svetogorsk to Imatra, you understand that the social order is not a panacea for environmental problems.
                      25. 0
                        18 October 2021 23: 24
                        Quote: burger
                        That is, the opinion of well-known economists without any justification to call this an expensive demagogic trick is nonsense?

                        And von Mises himself, in your opinion, substantiated his opinion well enough? Not so for me. And not only I do not agree with him. Considering the socialist economy as operating on the same principles as the capitalist economy is this not demagoguery?
                        Quote: burger
                        Almost the same thing is said by these economists, but not with the complication, but initially.

                        What does it mean initially? Does the artist von Mises see it like that?
                        Quote: burger
                        There are much more problems with coal or aluminum production, and now what to give up heating and airplanes?

                        As you can see nowadays an advanced capitalist will say yes to refuse. According to the precepts of Greta Thunberg. But seriously. How many modifications of the same aircraft model does an airline change per year? The problem of chaotic and uncontrolled use of resources is one of the problems of capitalism and capitalists are not mothers like you, but serious guys are quite aware of this problem and, like, even try to deal with it, but for obvious reasons it does not work out very well, I would even say - very bad.
                        Quote: burger
                        You are oversimplifying everything. When you move from Svetogorsk to Imatra, you understand that the social order is not a panacea for environmental problems.

                        And there is no panacea at all. This is a strange idealism. But the social system can radically change the situation. In addition, it is rather strange to blame socialism for environmental problems when thinking about ecology has become more or less serious in general relatively recently. And somehow special progress in this regard is not yet visible. Anyway, such initiatives sometimes smell like schizophrenia. When a company which, according to capitalist logic, needs to sell more, demonstrate growth to develop new markets, it figures advertising in which it calls to save and buy things less often.
                      26. 0
                        20 October 2021 00: 35
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And von Mises himself, in your opinion, substantiated his opinion well enough? Not so for me.

                        For me, yes. What is the current model called.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Considering the socialist economy as operating on the same principles as the capitalist economy is this not demagoguery?

                        Where did you get the idea that respected economists considered the socialist economy on the same principles? They showed its low vitality and practice, the criterion of truth, showed the correctness of their statements.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        What does it mean initially? Does the artist von Mises see it like that?

                        This means that the economy was too complex to plan from the first day of the planned economy, and did not become so over time.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        As you can see today, an advanced capitalist will say yes to refuse. According to the precepts of Greta Thunberg. But seriously. How many modifications of the same aircraft model does an airline change per year?

                        What difference does it make how much it changes. Low-cost airlines every 2-3 years, so what? The biggest environmental problems are caused by animal husbandry, are you ready to give up meat?
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The problem of chaotic and uncontrolled use of resources is one of the problems of capitalism and capitalists are not mothers like you, but serious guys are quite aware of this problem and like they even try to deal with it, but for obvious reasons it does not work out very well, I would even say - very bad.

                        And what, mother's socialists like you think that salvation is in socialism? This is definitely not obvious, socialism did not proclaim moderation. The plans were a society of abundance.

                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The reasons are not very good, I would even say - not very much.

                        But clearly better than the communists when you look at China.
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        But the social system can radically change the situation. In addition, it is rather strange to blame socialism for environmental problems when thinking about ecology has become more or less serious in general relatively recently. And somehow special progress in this regard is not yet visible.

                        But for some reason the capitalist Finns think about this beginning even in the days of the USSR, and for some reason there is no advanced social system.
                        We can look at the relationship to this issue on the example of Korah. In one, Stalinism and a planned economy, in the other developed capitalism. In the northern third of the population, they drink polluted water, in the southern third I have not heard about such problems. Why is that?

                        In any case, socialism with its planned economy has lost. Capitalism has many flaws, but so far no one has suggested anything better.
                      27. +1
                        9 October 2021 11: 03
                        Yes, society wins as history has shown. But chaos is ineffective. Therefore, with all the chaos of the market, planning is present in it from birth in the beginnings. This is to the question that the socialist economy is unnatural. smile

                        Of course, planning is present under capitalism. First of all, at the level of an individual enterprise. The first step is a business plan. wink

                        Just like socialism could not get rid of the market. It turned out that Marx's theory did not work in practice.
                        Therefore, even Lenin was forced to begin perestroika - to introduce the NEP.

                        After the country recovered a little and accumulated fat, Stalin decided to try again. But the people stubbornly did not want to work for nothing.

                        I had to create a symbiosis of slaveholding (for those who are already in prison) and feudal (for those who are still at large) systems. For some time I managed to exist in this paradigm, to build new pyramids and palaces.

                        But the main thing was not achieved - an acceptable standard of living for the majority of the people of the country. But everything was started for this. love

                        Khrushchev eased the pressure, the stranglehold on the neck of the people stretched out a little, cars began to be bought not only by representatives of the ruling group, but also by mere mortals. An attempt was even made to give their own housing to the majority of the population. Looks for this and rented the poor man, the apartment is also property.
                        But the original flaws of the system have not gone away.

                        Brezhnev decided not to rock the boat. With minor cosmetic additions, the system existed at the very least. However, the stagnation continued. Money surrogates in the form of rolling banners, orders and titles of the GTS did not work. Even then they started talking about KTU, cost accounting and the expansion of the economic base of socialism. wink

                        Gorbachev inherited an already completely inoperative economic model. At first they thought that science was to blame, they shouted about scientific and technological revolution. Then they decided that the people were drinking a lot. In the end, they gave up and introduced the NEP. But they did it so clumsily that the country collapsed.

                        Here is a brief history of building an economic model of communism in a given country. laughing
                      28. -3
                        9 October 2021 12: 47
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Just like socialism could not get rid of the market. It turned out that Marx's theory did not work in practice.

                        Scientists still cannot create a working thermonuclear reactor with a positive energy yield. Physics doesn't work in practice.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Therefore, even Lenin was forced to begin perestroika - to introduce the NEP.

                        This is not why the NEP was introduced. And it was not introduced forever.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        After the country recovered a little and accumulated fat, Stalin decided to try again. But the people stubbornly did not want to work for nothing.

                        Pictures one fabulous another. And if you face the truth, the country was in need of industrialization, in dire need. The effectiveness of capitalism in this regard was extremely low. It is enough to look at the 30 years of success of domestic capitalism and this with an immeasurably better starting base. How many years would we have to wait until we reach the same level as after the Stalin five-year plans? 50,70,100? Would the country have lasted that long? Would German capital with its revanchism give us so much? I don't believe in miracles. Therefore, I think that Stalin then in those conditions was right. Although at the same time, in many respects, the foundation was laid for those problems that surfaced later.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Gorbachev inherited an already completely inoperative economic model. At first they thought that science was to blame, they shouted about scientific and technological revolution.

                        But could socialist public consciousness and public institutions of people's power develop sufficiently in those conditions? People have been moving towards capitalist public consciousness for millennia. And besides, having successfully formed at the beginning, the circumstances then also developed extremely unsuccessfully in many respects. Take the same failure of the revolution in Germany. It is very easy to criticize and be clever to understand the reasons for failure and it is much more difficult to try to fix them. Unfortunately, you have not understood anything. Yes, apparently you do not need it.
                      29. +1
                        9 October 2021 13: 11
                        Scientists still cannot create a working thermonuclear reactor with a positive energy yield. Physics doesn't work in practice.

                        If you mean a system in which the output will be greater than the cost, then yes, this is impossible.

                        For in accordance with the first law of thermodynamics - in any processes energy does not arise and does not disappear, but only passes from one form to another.
                        We live on the energy of transition and, in principle, gobble up the resources of the Universe, this is how physics works. wink
                      30. -4
                        9 October 2021 19: 20
                        Quote: Arzt
                        If you mean a system in which the output will be greater than the cost, then yes, this is impossible.

                        It's a pity that physicists don't know this. They would ask the Internet anonymous and give up their research. This unscientific nonsense is not interesting to me.
                      31. -1
                        9 October 2021 13: 27
                        This is not why the NEP was introduced. And it was not introduced forever.

                        That's why. The Marxist theory did not work, there was nothing to eat.
                        Do you know how much one dollar was worth in 1923?
                        2 rubles.

                        Lenin said honestly:
                        "The New Economic Policy means the replacement of the appropriation by the tax, means the transition to the restoration of capitalism to a large extent."
                      32. -4
                        9 October 2021 19: 23
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Therefore.

                        Not therefore.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        The Marxist theory did not work, there was nothing to eat.

                        Just the same, the introduction of the NEP passed completely in accordance with Marxism. But the idiots, who did not understand it then, do not understand it now. And yet Lenin said that NEP is for a long time, but not forever. So there is no need to engage in demagoguery.
                      33. -1
                        9 October 2021 13: 45
                        The effectiveness of capitalism in this regard was extremely low.

                        Tell it to the Chinese.

                        In 1949, Mao came to power in China and began the Great Leap Forward. This led to the death of 40 million people from hunger (the largest social catastrophe of the XNUMXth century, excluding the Second World War).

                        In 1979, after eating communism, the Chinese adopted the "Policy of Reform and Opening Up."
                        Deng Xiaoping said his genius to the accusations of restoring capitalism: "It doesn't matter what color the cat is - the main thing is that it catches mice."

                        Now China is still the second economy in the world. Capitalist economy. love
                      34. -3
                        9 October 2021 19: 40
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Deng Xiaoping said his genius to the accusations of restoring capitalism: "It doesn't matter what color the cat is - the main thing is that it catches mice."

                        This is brilliant nonsense. Because the cat turned out to be a tiger cub and ate its master.
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Now China is still the second economy in the world. Capitalist economy.

                        You do not understand to what grave consequences this can lead to the entire planet. There is nothing to be happy about. This economy is killing people. See what's going on around. I understand that I am wasting my eloquence in vain, but still. Is it possible that the bourgeois man in the street is so stupid that the whole situation with the covid did not teach him anything?
                      35. -1
                        9 October 2021 13: 54
                        People have been moving towards capitalist public consciousness for millennia.

                        You don't have to go to him. As I said, it is natural for human psychophysiology.

                        After the natural failure of the 90s, price liberalization, freedom in foreign trade and tax reform did their job. The shuttlemen brought in their clothes, the Tajiks set up their houses, the barbecue men filled the streets with meat.

                        It all worked. And without any State Planning Committee. laughing
                      36. -1
                        9 October 2021 11: 07
                        To say that a person always takes into account the interests of other people unconsciously means putting him on the same level not even with a monkey, but with even more primitive animals.

                        He takes into account, but only as long as his personal interests are not affected.
                        And so yes, Mother Teresa and others exist. laughing
                      37. -2
                        9 October 2021 00: 13
                        damn how you jump with that
                        the question was SPECIFICALLY
                        All people make money. There is no other way in a capitalist economy.

                        once again, under socialism, money does not earn?
                      38. -2
                        9 October 2021 09: 47
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        once again, under socialism, money does not earn?

                        Earn money. But in the future, the withering away of commodity-money relations will occur. And earning money under capitalism is not the same as under socialism. Under socialism, a more equitable distribution of income. Even under the USSR, despite all its distortions, it was fairer than it is now.
                      39. -2
                        8 October 2021 21: 19
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        if they do it solely for the sake of money, this is a mental disorder, you cannot eat money with them, you cannot hide, money is a tool

                        I'm glad you understand that yet.
                      40. -3
                        8 October 2021 20: 54
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        When Newton, Gaus, Euler, Maxwell, Mendeleev, Einstein made their discoveries

                        I will disappoint you
                        ...
                      41. 0
                        8 October 2021 22: 30
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        I will disappoint you

                        Did not work out.
                      42. -1
                        8 October 2021 20: 19
                        Throughout history, mankind has come up with only two stimuli - a carrot in the front and a carrot in the back. Money is a combination of both ..
                      43. +2
                        8 October 2021 20: 57
                        Quote: paul3390
                        and a carrot in the back

                        God forgive me, what are you talking about now? !!!!! belay
                2. -1
                  8 October 2021 19: 23
                  Quote: paul3390
                  As, for example, in China - but even there, if they do not begin to finally move to socialism in the near future - they are clearly facing very big problems.

                  There has long been a problem. Their socialism degenerated into National Socialism.
              2. 0
                8 October 2021 19: 24
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                collective property may well coexist with private

                This is an illusion.
          3. +2
            8 October 2021 20: 35
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            and how do you see small business then if there is no ownership of the means of production?

            Collective property (artels, cooperatives, collective farms). The means of production belong to the entire work collective. If you want to start your own business, open it, but don't use hired labor. Any additional personnel only in the form of shareholders.
            1. 0
              8 October 2021 20: 59
              Quote: DNS-a42
              Collective property (artels, cooperatives, collective farms).

              you initially create the crystallization point of the dissatisfied
              it is much easier for a small percentage of the population of 2-5% to work individually
              1. +1
                8 October 2021 21: 32
                Yes please. The condition is not to use hired labor.
                1. -1
                  9 October 2021 00: 06
                  But what about the denial of ownership of the instruments of production?
        2. -1
          8 October 2021 16: 30
          Those. You propose to start building socialism with expropriation, ruining a significant part of the population and creating a situation of shortage of goods and services.
          "I thought so, that's what I thought." (with)
          1. +1
            8 October 2021 20: 21
            The Spartans decided that money was not needed to live a normal life. If you have money, they must be such that all would see how much money he has and where they could take. For this reason, money was huge wheels and they were in the yard. In addition, it’s as if you didn’t understand that slavery and the return of feudalism in Russia began with the plundering of the people of 15 republics. If power is not stealing if they thought about the country, and not of himself, could be anything. But they thought about themselves how they were dabbling ineptly, so they continue to meddle with mediocre thieves, except for theft and hide over the ocean away from the places of theft, that's why they broke everything. Born to steal, cannot build!
        3. +1
          8 October 2021 21: 45
          Quote: prior
          Small business without hired workers. Truncated.

          How can one drag a heavy pipe alone? Hold the wrench on the other side? Insurance outside when working in an enclosed space? A dentist without a nurse? Etc.
        4. +2
          8 October 2021 22: 19
          And that's all) ?! "It's a simple matter" laughing .
      2. +7
        8 October 2021 16: 41
        It takes place in the 1920s, after two wars, world and civil. A lot of people huddle in basements and dugouts, walk in rags, etc. So Bormental may well share his clothes and vacate several rooms. And to operate not at home, but in a hospital.
        1. -3
          8 October 2021 17: 32
          Well, now in Russia, millions of people live below the poverty line, do not eat up, live in completely nightmarish conditions. Would you like to share your living space and clothes with someone?
          In the format, for example, 2-3 Tajik proletarians move into an apartment with you. I am sure to show conscientiousness.
          1. -2
            8 October 2021 18: 02
            Tajik proletarians live in hostels - with heating, running water, electricity, etc. They will not die from the cold outside. And if they want something more than a bed in a hostel, then let them work and earn money.
            1. +1
              8 October 2021 18: 25
              work and earn
              to sell heroin. Or buy a diploma and treat the Uruses as a doctor?
              1. 0
                8 October 2021 19: 31
                Naturally, they work in socially useful work. And for heroin there should be severe punishment - up to the highest measure.
                1. 0
                  8 October 2021 19: 34
                  must
                  only some people consider it normal business. And who will punish, those who trade in Russia.
            2. -4
              9 October 2021 02: 15
              in short, you are not averse to "condensing" the conventional Bormental (perhaps not to your advantage). But doubts arise about their own sacrifices for the sake of building socialism. Since the proletarians will not die of the cold, let them live in hostels and barracks, they will not die, tea.
              Something I'm not surprised.
          2. +1
            8 October 2021 19: 40
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            Well, now in Russia, millions of people live below the poverty line, do not eat up, live in completely nightmarish conditions. Would you like to share your living space and clothes with someone?

            And how will this help the victory of communism? No way. On the contrary, it will help the conservation of capitalism. Such an act will not change anything in essence. It will only reduce the degree of tension in society by shifting the problem of the fight against poverty from the shoulders of the capitalist to the shoulders of a hired worker who is better off than the poor proletarian. In general, such advice is cheap demagoguery.
            1. -6
              9 October 2021 02: 20
              of course, why this concretization and cheap demagoguery. It is necessary that:
              1. communism won;
              2. take one of the leading positions among the immediate winners.
              Based on the experience of the 20th century, with a certain dexterity and conformism, it will provide a dacha, an apartment and a personal pension with a ration. Sparsely, but in the kingdom of the blind and one-eyed is the king.
              1. -1
                9 October 2021 10: 27
                Go forest demagogue. It is probably better for the indigenous population to die out at a rapid pace thanks to the capitalist economy and replace it with poor Tajiks working for food. Well, until they end. This does not suit me.
      3. +6
        8 October 2021 16: 41
        Quote: Ryazanets87
        Return Soviet power?

        Yes, everything is described in Soviet literature, including the methods of struggle. The problem is that today it is called at least extremism. Or drug trafficking. In Moscow, Meduza didn’t work with the journalist, but in Pskov today real and not frail terms for drugs were soldered. 10 and 11 years, and the prosecution is based only on the testimony of third parties, which is nonsense in jurisprudence.
        In the best traditions of Pinochet. It is not for nothing that the caps of the highest ranks of the RF Armed Forces now resemble the caps of the dictators of South America.
        1. 0
          8 October 2021 17: 33
          Of course, I know the methods of establishing Soviet power and, so to speak, the practice of building socialism. I thought, suddenly they will offer something new)
          1. +4
            8 October 2021 17: 57
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            I thought, suddenly they will offer something new)

            Blogging, comments, etc. lead to pumping up protest moods, no more. And now they boil only on websites, forums and kitchens. And there are no revolutions, how not to make a child when using a condom. On the street, the authorities are ahead of the curve, and they are actively using the wiretapping and video surveillance system.
            I advise everyone to watch Ridley Scott's "Consolidation of Lies". And the old Soviet film "The Gadfly".
  6. +7
    8 October 2021 15: 20
    “Russia has exhausted the time and social resources of inertial development. The time is coming for Big Decisions and Big Projects "
    oh no, we also have it with the addition - Big Cuts wassat everything will be plundered at the initial stage
  7. +8
    8 October 2021 15: 21
    "Oh, these fairy tales, oh, these storytellers ..."
  8. +6
    8 October 2021 15: 21
    For Russia, a global catastrophe is a chance for the revival of the state as one of the leaders of mankind in the future.
    ... So you silently do the BUSINESS, have you completely forgotten how to do it?
    And the same, all the exhaust will be in ... chatter, and what will happen in the end is difficult / not difficult to imagine.
  9. +8
    8 October 2021 15: 22
    Plus "Cedar tract" - the way between Europe and China.
    "We will pull you into the city from the hinterland, pull the cedar alley" (c) TV show "Funny guys".
  10. +5
    8 October 2021 15: 29
    The old world is being destroyed, and they are trying to impose a new one on us without a twinge of conscience. Here is another injection of liberal information:
    US Ambassador to Russia John Sullivan congratulated Novaya Gazeta editor-in-chief Dmitry Muratov on being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. This was reported on Twitter of the American diplomatic mission in Moscow.

    "Congratulations to my friend Dmitry Muratov from Novaya Gazeta on being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for telling the truth to the authorities in Russia. Freedom of the press is extremely important everywhere - and here it is more important than ever. Great job, Dmitry."

    "Tell me who your friend is, and I'll tell you who you are."
    There would be fewer such friends and such media outlets in Russia.
    1. +13
      8 October 2021 15: 35
      Vlad. Muratov was also congratulated by the press secretary of Peskov.
      1. +7
        8 October 2021 15: 41
        Quote: nickolai.maliugin
        Vlad. Muratov was also congratulated by the press secretary of Peskov.

        And Peskov's daughter congratulated Grishka Otrepiev at the wedding. What's going on in the world.
      2. 0
        8 October 2021 15: 44
        Quote: nickolai.maliugin
        Vlad. Muratov was also congratulated by the press secretary of Peskov.

        I read it, it's disgusting when the enemy calls a friend, it's understandable, but the rest is not clear.
    2. +2
      8 October 2021 16: 19
      Quote: tihonmarine
      There would be fewer such friends and such media in Russia

      Do not worry, neither one nor the other is practically gone in Russia. In the sense of neither friends, nor the media.
      Situational companions, kicked to the sidelines of civilization and state propaganda mouthpieces, are not such.
  11. +18
    8 October 2021 15: 41
    Judging by the way the government is playing out on pensioners, our future is gloomy ... when they say up there that the old people cannot be helped, as the belief in a bright future immediately fades away.
    I don’t believe the liberal government of Russia ... I don’t believe the bankers, I don’t believe in the sweet speeches of our State Duma about serving the people in their posts and positions.
    Words with their deeds are sharply at variance.
    1. +14
      8 October 2021 16: 05
      I also think that nothing good awaits Russia, the current authorities are doing everything to depopulate and degrade the population, to replace it with migrants, mainly from Islamic countries, I think that soon we will see how some regions of Russia will create problems inside, and outside the matter is not very much, they are preparing a ram from the once fraternal countries, and Russia doesn’t need war now.
    2. +2
      8 October 2021 16: 14
      Liberalism is characterized by the inalienability of personal rights and freedoms of citizens, minimal dependence on the state in the political, social, and economic spheres.
      WHERE in Russia do you see the "liberal government" ?! Anyway, at least something liberal?
      1. 0
        8 October 2021 16: 47
        In economics, I see ... Siluyanov, Nabibulina and other comrades are primarily concerned with the well-being of big business and bankers ... what will concern them the least with the people.
        The siloviki do not belong to the liberals ... their task is to tighten the screws to the people so that they do not dare to utter a word.
        1. 0
          8 October 2021 17: 26
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Siluyanov, Nabibulina and other comrades are primarily concerned with the well-being of big business and bankers ..

          They have personal rights, freedoms and minimal dependence on the state (maybe even the state depends on them.)
          1. 0
            8 October 2021 21: 37
            Quote: tihonmarine
            They have personal rights, freedoms and minimal dependence on the state.

            At first glance, it is. But all this is only within the framework of the existing system. Once they become inconvenient for the top beneficiaries of the system, and at best, like many previous ones, they will be allowed to escape. And then the "sausage" in the basket will be brought. And demonstrating "the fight against corruption" they will determine the years by 10. And no impartial trial can be expected.
            So it turns out that all these "servants of the tsar" look like the masters of life only to the point of disgrace.
            1. 0
              9 October 2021 09: 30
              Quote: unaha
              At first glance, it is. But all this is only within the framework of the existing system. Once they become inconvenient for the top beneficiaries of the system, and at best, like many previous ones, they will be allowed to escape.

              They can reset, but if they shared and does not violate the instructions from the "very top", then they will live in peace and with their bank accounts. (Ulyukaev did not understand this and is sitting on a bunk).
              1. 0
                9 October 2021 10: 27
                That's right, but where is liberalism here? )
                1. 0
                  9 October 2021 11: 30
                  Quote: unaha
                  That's right, but where is liberalism here? )

                  I answered the comment "Once they become inconvenient for the top beneficiaries of the system, and at best, like many of the previous ones, they will be allowed to escape." but not liberalism, this is another pillar.
        2. 0
          8 October 2021 21: 16
          Liberalism in the economy is a reduction in taxes and a minimum share of the state, a reduction to a minimum of the control of the same state over business, equality of subjects in court, etc.
          And the existing corporate-oligarch-feudal system and the relatively free monetary activity of the Central Bank are not liberalism at all.
  12. +6
    8 October 2021 15: 44
    And how the author proposes everything. All digitalization technologies that exist in the West are also available to us. There are biometrics and a draft of the genetic code. "Humanity is not waiting for socialism, but digital feudalism" - M. Delyagin. Kaspersky calls for abandoning biometrics. Delyagin went even further. Digitalization is not terrible because a person is being tracked. And the fact that there is sorting according to the mind, according to their abilities. In short, each person will get into his own cell of society. And he will be in it until his death. The growth of abilities is not provided.
    1. +3
      8 October 2021 15: 49
      Digital Reality will be somewhat reminiscent of the movie The Matrix ... God forbid, live to see this.
    2. +5
      8 October 2021 15: 50
      Quote: nickolai.maliugin
      Digitization is not terrible because a person is being tracked. And the fact that there is sorting according to the mind, according to ability.

      And how does a person relate to the current government, what he says about it and God forbid he expresses his discontent. Everything is in plain sight, as if on glass, and there is nowhere to hide.
      1. +5
        8 October 2021 16: 12
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And how does a person relate to the current government, what he says about it and God forbid he expresses his discontent. Everything is in plain sight, as if on glass, and there is nowhere to hide.

        I was just puzzled by the congratulations from YouTube users to the guarantor on his birthday ...
        The Russian people love to have fun ...
  13. +16
    8 October 2021 15: 48
    The model of the future is a people's empire


    The People's Empire is certainly strong! Led by the People's Emperor and Imperial Democracy!
    Exactly what kind of neurons have to grab a short circuit in order to come up with such nonsense ...
    1. +3
      8 October 2021 16: 02
      Yes ... the descendants of the Romanovs played the wedding ... now it remains to be at the head of this empire. smile
      Alexander Samsonov is a great optimist.
      1. +9
        8 October 2021 16: 14
        The Romanovs played the wedding


        Ah, that's why Monsieur Samsonov got overexcited and composed the People's Empire ... laughing
        And then I thought why, for no reason, for no reason, I began to compose a new world system. Now I'm already waiting for an article about communist Orthodoxy, as a philosophical support of the People's Empire and a rewritten Symbol-I believe in the name of Perun. bully
      2. +3
        8 October 2021 16: 18
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        the descendants of the Romanovs played the wedding ... now it remains to become the head of this empire

        God forbid, once they already betrayed the Empire
      3. +3
        8 October 2021 17: 22
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Yes ... the descendants of the Romanovs played the wedding ... now it remains to be at the head of this empire.

        Now you need to send the Romanov couple on a honeymoon near Yekaterinburg to the place of the death of the Imperial family, maybe after that they will not want to sit on the Russian throne.
    2. +3
      8 October 2021 16: 26
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Led by the People's Emperor and Imperial Democracy!

  14. +13
    8 October 2021 16: 04
    Ilnitsky notes that the greatness and wealth of Russia since the reign of Ivan the Terrible has been growing in Siberia ...

    ... and under Putin, the wealth of Siberia is increasing the fortune of Russian oligarchs and hucksters of various sizes and calibers who set up their offices in Moscow ...
    ==========
    We survived, but in the localities they cannot find the owner who receives the income ...
  15. +5
    8 October 2021 16: 07
    Positive emotions are believed to be beneficial. Thanks to the author - made me laugh.

    "These are new cities with the most advanced architecture, developed infrastructure and science, education and healthcare, comfortable, attractive and interesting for life" -
    Gypsy family: dad, mom and a bunch of kids.
    The gypsy stares at his brood - dirty, shaggy, ragged.
    - Wife! What will we do: will we wash these or will we make new ones?

    "program provisions ̶r̶u̶s̶s̶k̶i̶h̶ ̶p̶a̶t̶r̶i̶o̶t̶o̶v̶-̶g̶o̶s̶u̶d̶a̶r̶s̶t̶v̶e̶n̶n̶i̶k̶o̶v̶" dreamers infinitely far from reality?

    "partial closure of Russia from the degrading and disintegrating West and the world as a whole" - in the sense of allowing "citizens" to travel exclusively to Belarus, in groups with permission, case, characterization, "objective", a trip plan, etc., and only accompanied by "responsible comrades" ?
    1. +4
      8 October 2021 17: 29
      And besides the author, the rest of the world already knows that it is falling apart and the end is near? laughing
  16. +11
    8 October 2021 16: 11
    What an enchanting nonsense. I wonder what kind of world the author lives in and how long has he talked with ordinary people, what cities in Siberia? Where to get people for them? Here, almost a thousand every day dies from covid, and what kind of assembly of the Russian world can we talk about? God grant that after all this, even greater chaos does not come. And there were enough people to support at least what is now. Or will we start gaster not for work, but for permanent residence? Here the Russian world begins that!
    1. +5
      8 October 2021 16: 17
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      What an enchanting nonsense

      Friday, a hard day, everyone is already on vacation with thoughts, but the same
    2. +4
      8 October 2021 16: 45
      Quote: Alex 1970
      Or will we start gaster not for work, but for permanent residence? Here the Russian world begins that!

      The Russian authorities agreed to lease up to 1 million hectares of land to Uzbekistan.

      The corresponding decision was made in an online meeting with the participation of the Minister of Agriculture of Uzbekistan Zhamshid Khodzhaev and Deputy Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation Yevgeny Levin. It is specified that the entire crop harvested on land leased from Russia will be exported to Uzbekistan.

      “At the current stage, we propose to launch this project on an area of ​​35 thousand hectares to establish contacts and interaction mechanisms, as well as their practical development. And we express our interest in gradually expanding these areas up to 300-500 thousand hectares in the coming years, and in the future - up to 1 million hectares. ”, - said the head of the Uzbek Ministry of Agriculture.

      It is known that 23 constituent entities of Russia have already expressed their preliminary interest in supporting the Uzbek-Russian project.

      On the subject:
      "This is a truly colonial approach to the country - when the" elites "need a perimeter and some hotbeds of activity, but they do not view the territory as a whole as a basis for life and development.

      It's the same with fields. There are about 40 million hectares of abandoned land in Russia, and our authorities cannot do anything to make their introduction into circulation attractive for Russian peasants. It is unprofitable, it is necessary to spend money on it, to provide state support. It is profitable to hand over to Uzbeks, you just take and give, you get money. Capitalism is so primitive that it cannot develop these lands on its own and sell finished products to Uzbekistan, and in this case, the profit will be greater. About the fact that the introduction of land into circulation will become a natural obstacle to the spread of fires and further destruction of forests, we will not say anything at all, no one even thinks about it.

      And now it turned out that already 23 regions of Russia have expressed a preliminary interest in supporting the Uzbek-Russian project. "Demand" turned out to be worse than the queue of our governors to locate the Tesla plant. Well, before Tesla, we are like before the Moon, everyone understands this, but it is impossible to alienate territories only according to the Constitution, but in fact - take it and give it up? Rent is the same, not what you thought. "
      1. +5
        8 October 2021 16: 49
        Exactly. And if they "manage", like the Chinese, then the earth will remain burnt with chemicals.
  17. +9
    8 October 2021 16: 14
    Who will make decisions and generate ideas, these wretched people who have seized power through betrayal, crime, nepotism, who see their chairs as a personal business project and nothing more? These, by chance, and not because of their professional qualities, without honor and conscience, ready to betray, sell and kill, for some reason suddenly call themselves the elite (agricultural term), who betrayed and killed a great power, shoving the national achievements of the entire people into their pockets By donating wealth and assets to "partners" for "beads", they will probably decide the future of the Slavic civilization, which they despise and hate. So this is an estate that decided that life was a success, and on September 19, having once again established themselves, not about development and prosperity, they are solely for providing and making a profit from these territories of the former power, mainly by overseas partners. , everything fits this version, and the leadership itself is more reminiscent of a colonial administration with an imitation of dermocracy in the form of numerous parasitic mythical feeding troughs of the Duma, Soviets and ONFs, etc. ...
  18. +1
    8 October 2021 16: 15
    article - for all good against all bad, not a word on the case
  19. +7
    8 October 2021 16: 17
    And in pursuit. For thirty years they were bringing up a "quality consumer", and then suddenly slogans, self-awareness and other appeals, to whom? For people of pre-retirement age and retirees? And there are many of them left and do young people need these slogans?
    1. +2
      8 October 2021 16: 54
      So these slogans and appeals are not from the Duma, but from Samsonov. And the consumer is being educated further.
  20. +6
    8 October 2021 16: 23
    based on the principle of "autocracy", not as a monarchy

    what did the author drink?
    1. +10
      8 October 2021 16: 45
      Sometimes it seems to me that all these articles (about aircraft carriers, bayraktar, Ukraine and the fate of Russia) are written by a neural network, a generator of random phrases.
    2. +7
      8 October 2021 17: 40
      what did the author drink?
      Okay, if I drank ...
      1. +3
        8 October 2021 17: 45
        Quote: parusnik
        on a teetot carries

        come on?!!!
        1. +4
          8 October 2021 18: 02
          Writes without errors laughing
  21. +11
    8 October 2021 16: 31
    Well, finally, we waited. The COLLECTOR OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD - Shoigu came. He will make everyone happy and carry out correct reforms, and he will build cities and ... Remember, only a Man (a relative of the first president) with a capital letter can replace our president. Where are we without a Family, lost sheep, stupid, unreasonable. Now, now they will explain to us who to listen to and we will line up and walk with him in one leg, into a bright future. And who is against it? And who is against - to the leg !.
    1. -1
      8 October 2021 19: 05
      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      The COLLECTOR OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD - Shoigu came.

      Kүzhүget oglu Shoigu. In the context of a collector of the Russian world, it sounds more interesting.
    2. 0
      8 October 2021 20: 25
      Something this collector is already silent about the city.
  22. +12
    8 October 2021 16: 33
    "Reassembly" of the Russian world
    What kind of Russian world is that ?! What is this chatter about? Where, in what did these people see the Russian world ?! They don't even call us Russians anymore, this word burns the mouth of our government! We are now "Russian-speaking", strangers on the land, once the former Russian! Intra-Sadovokoltsov's world of thieves mean? So it can't even be expanded to the whole of Moscow, no matter how you rebuild it, it won't get any better. And Russians treat this world with squeamish contempt, which this world is trying not to notice.
    Speech incontinence in some ...
  23. +8
    8 October 2021 16: 37
    The armed forces are becoming the center of ideology, human resources, mobilization, economic revival, control and planning.

    Horses and people mingled in a heap. The armed forces are absolutely not independent, they do not represent anything of themselves as a support for the people. An army by itself, a people by itself.
  24. -2
    8 October 2021 16: 39
    At least someone !! Please refer THIS to the history faculty of Moscow State University.
    Excuse me, what is this portal where they publish ... Such a house-2?
    Ah "military review". Admin, wow - please - review. Well, what's the military, pliz.
  25. +11
    8 October 2021 16: 41
    Reading the article, the image of O. Bender in front of the Vasyukin chess players and his classic "Just imagine !!!" ...
    1. +4
      8 October 2021 16: 53
      Exactly! Only then even Bender was overrun
  26. +4
    8 October 2021 16: 48
    Storyteller Mr. Samsonov.
    1. +3
      8 October 2021 17: 51
      Storyteller Mr. Samsonov.


      The storyteller is Mr. Andersen, and Mr. Samsonov ... we better keep silent ... bully
  27. +10
    8 October 2021 17: 20
    In his mega-story epic, the author constantly mentions a certain "Russian civilization code-matrix", "the basis of which is truth, justice and conscience," but he never tried to link this "matrix with real history and tell what historical periods lived in Russia. according to this "code".
    But in the article, along with hackneyed tunes about super-ethnos, a clearly new "storyline" about a "people's empire, based on the principle of" autocracy. "
    The first (fantastic) - the author decided to join the glorious cohort of Slavophiles and make a contribution to the development of the concept of a special path for Russia and the salvific role of Orthodoxy as a Christian doctrine, the uniqueness of the forms of social development of the Russian people in the form of a community and artel.
    The second (realistic) - the author decided to make a feasible contribution to the preparation of the masses for the perception of the idea of ​​"autocracy" as the only correct one.
    1. +2
      8 October 2021 17: 46
      White, white. Very hot tsts ... (S) laughing
  28. +8
    8 October 2021 17: 36
    The model of the future is a people's empire based on the principle of "autocracy"
    Enough, already hysterical, they won't give you the hereditary nobility of the people and a village in the Russian North. laughing
  29. -7
    8 October 2021 17: 56
    Chaos and unrest, followed by final collapse and destruction, threaten Russia as well.

    This statement is false. Russia is immortal and will live forever. No hardships can break her. There are temporary periods of decline, they can be long, but Russia has always emerged from them even stronger than it was. So I foresee that it will not be like in the alarmist horror stories of Samsonov, but quite the opposite: the golden age of Russia is approaching. It has not yet arrived, but it will surely happen as soon as we pass the current stage of turbidity. You will see that even during our lifetime Russia will overtake all other countries in wealth and development, and personally the Russian people, having received a new passionary impetus, will not only reverse the dying birth rate, but will also win back all the losses.
    1. -1
      8 October 2021 18: 49
      Russia is immortal and will live forever. No hardships can break her. There are temporary periods of decline, they can be long, but Russia has always emerged from them even stronger than it was. *** On one condition, if there is a Russian people, and since it is dying out at a rapid pace, then a possible disintegration may be inevitable.
      1. -4
        8 October 2021 19: 18
        This is the whole point. Russia is immortal because the Russian people are immortal. The Russians cannot disappear even after the most grievous losses. In this sense, Russians are like Jews.
  30. +5
    8 October 2021 18: 06
    As a result, it is time for Russia to "focus on itself"

    What are you? And probably tighten your belts because it's never easy
  31. +1
    8 October 2021 18: 19
    two points. One is realities, the second is dreams ...
    First . Under the current government, nothing will change for the Russian world. Very strange power. She was not afraid to poke her head into Syria where there was no smell of the Russian world, and she coped there, and Donbass, where the Russian world groans, is still not saved. And what, the Russian world in Russia itself is already lazy and drones, that a million hectares of fertile land will be leased to Uzbekistan and a landing of Uzbeks will officially pour out from there to cultivate, harvest, harvest on this million hectares and take the crop home to Uzbekistan. Can you imagine what a landing of Uzbeks is needed to do all this on a million hectares of arable land. By the way, one million hectares of arable land is the same as the total arable land in countries such as Belgium, Ireland, and the Netherlands. So how many people work on the land, for example, in Belgium or the Netherlands, so many Uzbeks will now pour into Russia ...
    Second . In dreams of who will be in Russia in one person, Catherine the Great and Stalin, my dreams are powerless to fantasize, but if such an imperial man does not appear in Russia in the next ten years, Russia will perish
    1. -1
      8 October 2021 18: 46
      if such an imperial man does not appear in Russia in the next ten years, Russia will perish *** Rather, it will turn into a kind of Ukraine with the subsequent possible disintegration.
  32. +1
    8 October 2021 18: 32
    I haven't laughed like that for a long time. Especially the proclamation of the project as Chingachguk, the best friend of St. John's wort.
  33. +5
    8 October 2021 18: 41
    Pure demagoguery. There are many empty and beautiful words that are absolutely meaningless, full of pathos and strange. Better let the respected author answer one question: who will own the means of production in his RUSSIAN CIVILIZATION OF RUSSIAN SUPERETHNOS (sorry, I could not but highlight this stream of pathos). Subsoil, factories, plants, land, our forests and water resources.
    1. +1
      8 October 2021 20: 44
      Them. But not for us.
  34. 0
    8 October 2021 18: 51
    Still, whoever can explain how the Russian civilization differs from the "western" one? And for one thing, what kind of traditional Russian values ​​are they different, again, from the "Western" ones?
    1. 0
      8 October 2021 19: 22
      Quote: burger
      Still, whoever can explain how the Russian civilization differs from the "western" one? And for one thing, what kind of traditional Russian values ​​are they different, again, from the "Western" ones?

      Russian civilization cannot be understood with your mind. You cannot measure this civilization with a common yardstick.
      Russian civilization has a scale of special moral values, and if you do not believe in particular Russian civilization, then you will not understand traditional Russian values ​​either. So what's the point of it all
      you explain it ...
      ps
      the commentary is based on a poem by Tyutchev, one of the brightest representatives of Russian civilization. As you can see, Tyutchev does not portray himself or the Russian civilization as some kind of special clever, nor does he portray you as an incomprehensible fool. After all, you must first believe in Russian civilization, and then you will feel the peculiarities of its moral status ...
      1. 0
        9 October 2021 19: 56
        Quote: north 2
        Russian civilization cannot be understood with your mind. You cannot measure this civilization with a common yardstick.
        Russian civilization has a scale of special moral values, and if you do not believe in particular Russian civilization, then you will not understand traditional Russian values ​​either. So what's the point of it all
        you explain it ...

        Oh my friend, is it just faith? Then yes, where there is faith, the arguments of reason are meaningless. The only moment, you can explain everything, but oh well.
        You just quoted Tyutchev's verse in a free retelling, this verse became the slogan of the Slavophiles and Pan-Slavists. Where are those Slavophiles and Pan-Slavists today? The Russian Empire was ruled by the Slavophile Nicholas I, who led the country to defeat in the Crimean War, the Slavophiles Alexander III and Nicholas II instilled the country to defeat in WWI and revolution.
        The God-bearing people carried Tyutchev's Slavophil followers and Russian Orthodox civilization on a pitchfork, surrendering to the power of the Western Bolshevik project.
        Have you read his article "Russia and the Revolution"?
        In order to understand for oneself the essence of the fatal upheaval that Europe has now entered, this is what you should say to yourself. For a long time already in Europe there are only two real forces - the revolution and Russia. These two forces are now opposed to one another, and, perhaps, tomorrow they will enter into a struggle. Between them, no negotiations, no treatises are possible; the existence of one of them is tantamount to the death of the other! The entire political and religious future of mankind depends for many centuries on the outcome of the struggle that has arisen between them, the greatest struggle that the world has ever witnessed.

        No - this is impossible ... Thousands of years of presentiments cannot deceive. Russia, a believing country, will not feel a lack of faith at a decisive moment. She will not be intimidated by the greatness of her calling and will not retreat before her assignment.

        And when could this calling have been clearer and more obvious? We can say that the Lord inscribed it in fiery letters in this sky, darkened by storms ... The West disappears, everything collapses, everything perishes in this general inflammation. Europe of Charlemagne and the Europe of treatises of 1815, the Roman papacy and all the Western kingdoms, Catholicism and Protestantism, faith long lost and reason reduced to meaninglessness, order is now unthinkable, freedom is now impossible, and above all these ruins, created by it, civilization killing herself with her own hands ...

        And when, over this tremendous collapse, we see this empire emerging with the holy ark, even more immense, then who dares to doubt its vocation, and should we, her sons, show ourselves as unbelievers and cowardly?
        April 12, 1848

        As I wrote today.
        Not even 70 years have passed ... And the West is falling apart, for 170 years already.
        Quote: north 2
        the commentary is based on a poem by Tyutchev, one of the brightest representatives of Russian civilization. As you can see, Tyutchev does not portray himself or the Russian civilization as some kind of special clever, nor does he portray you as an incomprehensible fool. After all, you must first believe in Russian civilization, and then you will feel the peculiarities of its moral status ...

        Is it possible to take offense at believers?
        Yes Yes. Where did the "Orthodox" Tucheva go from the "Orthodox Russian civilization"? Lost on the way "?
        This is probably one of the features of Russian civilization, to step on the same rake.
        Then they brought it to 17, and now "we can repeat it."
        Slavophiles are losers, they have lost, and here it is again.
  35. +2
    8 October 2021 20: 07
    it is also Russia's chance for revival, as has happened more than once in the history of Russian civilization and the Russian superethnos.

    Something super-ethnos turns out to be unable to achieve a good standard of living for its own nation, and then they set their sights on all of humanity wassat
  36. -1
    8 October 2021 20: 41
    Quote: Ryazanets87
    Well, the comrade simply wants to leave millions of people without work and livelihoods and arrange "war communism." There was beauty: there was not even money, consider it.

    How skillfully you twist! Those. in this historical period, "yours" did not leave millions of people "without work and means of subsistence" ?! Interesting plot twist ...
  37. 0
    8 October 2021 20: 45
    Conclusion: the article, apparently written out of good intentions, is, unfortunately, a completely inappropriate set of pretentious nonsense and manilovism ...
  38. +2
    9 October 2021 02: 57
    author, close the fountain of your eloquence .... because your stupidity is inexhaustible, remember the dolboslavs and slavolyubs ... let this power have you as a vertical mop and drive you into cities of various regimes ..., remember about your brains and try to think. .., you can speak, but this is not enough.
  39. -1
    9 October 2021 08: 28
    And if it is pragmatic? What is the real reason for the transfer of part of the economic and scientific potential and population to Siberia? Slogan or the second "Evacuation"?
  40. -1
    9 October 2021 08: 40
    Without reading the comments, it’s ready to be hammered that all of them (90 percent) will be negative and concentrated in three groups:
    1. This is another fraudulent scheme of the authorities and the forces supporting them, in order to once again blast everyone ("this" refers to the mentioned cities of Shoigu and other global projects)
    2. All this is pathos and slogans that are not very closely tied to reality (although they are not there, by and large, these slogans, you cannot write statements like "bread is all the head" in slogans)
    3. Nothing will come of it as it did not work before. Moreover, what was planned earlier, how it should have been and about what (from what they left and what they came to) "did not work out" naturally will not be indicated. Well, simply: "Everyone knows this."
    Well then, it’s good that such a reaction is at the level of "expert opinion" in the section "global politics")). It means that sensible thoughts are expressed in the article and some analytical calculations are quite correct to themselves.
  41. 0
    9 October 2021 14: 29
    OMG what a set of controversial statements and unfounded ideas, to put it mildly.
    1. Throw on the fan "Humanity has entered a systemic crisis and the only question is when the catastrophe will come in full growth - in 2022–2023 or 2024–2025. The period of the catastrophe will last until about 2030, and the survivors will create a new world order . " - I'm ready to bet on good cognac that nothing special will happen at 23 or 25. In addition, there may be a destruction of the mental health of individual readers who believe in this article and others like them.
    2. "Russia's chance ..." blah blah blah ... Japan and Germany after the war have turned, well, you can see for yourself. South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore. And Russia still needs some chance. Look at Vietnam, over the past 40 years after the collapse of the USSR, it has risen from an impoverished country, look at its GDP growth rate (7% per year before the pandemic), inflation (3%). I'm not talking about China. I just started working west as a factory and got up. Without any disasters, chances.
    3. "Already now, when the West has imposed on us its vicious ideas and standards, the country is dying out (depopulation), social wastelands are being created," exclusion zones "- settlements and territories inhabited by beggars" - again the damned West, everyone here rules, but with This seems to be on its way ("the closure of Russia from the degrading and decaying West and the world as a whole."). The paradox, how does the West do it? Maybe in the basic idea that the west is bent something wrong? Or maybe the West is not partly to blame for the problems of the Russian Federation, but the local authorities are also a little to blame?
    4. "Russia has always emerged from crises and disasters with the help of large projects. ... the Soviet project, which includes space and the atom," - the Soviet project with the atom and space did not come out of the crisis, but on the contrary climbed in there and bent, everyone can see the result.
    5. "Rejection of the strategy of megalopolis urbanization. From the territory of several large developed megalopolises, Russia should become an evenly populated and well-equipped low-rise country ..." money for power, money for work, standard of living) started back in the USSR. There is no sense in hoping to change the situation while maintaining the centralization of power. To give money to regions / municipalities means to give a part of the power there too. A fundamental contradiction between the current design and the dream of uniform development. Look at the structure of incomes of almost any region / municipality (data are public) - they are all subsidized and receive significant transfers from higher budgets - this is a mechanism for control of regional and municipal authorities by the federal government. There is a lot of money in the center, so it is not spent efficiently here, but if you donate money to municipalities, then each municipality will prefer to build roads, hospitals, schools, raise salaries, rather than throw in new weapons, etc. They won't go for it.
    6. "The armed forces are becoming the center of ideology, human resources, mobilization, economic revival, control and planning .... The material core of the implementation of a large project is the development of the armed forces and the military-industrial complex." The military will develop the military economy for the sake of ...? non-professionals will develop a non-core (not creating benefits for the population) part of the industry. Does anyone doubt the result of these actions?
  42. +1
    9 October 2021 23: 34

    The material core of the implementation of a large project is the development of the armed forces and the military-industrial complex.
    What are you, dear .... The Kremlin has other priorities hi -
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/111926/40979/-
  43. 0
    13 October 2021 11: 06
    How many of these projects and innovations have already been. And where are they all?

    Sometimes, at the very end, it was even added "and it may be enough to steal, otherwise all other points will fail"

    Alas, after a year all these projects were forgotten ...
    There are only immortal phrases left: you hold on, you will swallow the dust, we are in paradise, there is no time to swing, it is necessary to rejoice, causes concern, it turned out as always ...

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