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Ukraine never pleaded guilty for the downed Russian Tu-2001 in 154

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On October 4, 2001, during an exercise in Crimea, Ukrainian air defense shot down a Russian Tu-154 passenger plane, which was flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk, with an anti-aircraft missile. Despite all the available evidence, Kiev has still not admitted their guilt.


The tragedy, which claimed the lives of 78 people, occurred during the exercises of the Ukrainian army on the Crimean peninsula. During the demonstration firing from the S-200V and S-300 anti-aircraft systems, one of the missiles hit a Russian airliner flying from Israel. The wreckage of the plane fell into the Black Sea, no one survived.

An investigation by the International Aviation Committee (IAC) showed the involvement of the Ukrainian military in the tragedy, but Leonid Kuchma, who at that time did not admit his guilt, only fired the country's Defense Minister Oleksandr Kuzmuk. Later, Kiev paid the relatives of the victims $ 7,8 million, but not in court, but as part of an agreement on the settlement of claims, and they were carried out in Ukraine as humanitarian aid, and not compensation.

Officially, Ukraine did not admit guilt, and later stated that it had nothing to do with the tragedy. Experts from the Kiev Forensic Research Institute (KNIISE) and the Kharkiv Air Force Institute said the plane was not shot down by an anti-aircraft missile. As follows from the conclusion, the source of destruction of the aircraft could be located both outside and inside the liner, in particular, an explosive device placed "between the ceiling of the interior of the aircraft" and its outer shell.

Meanwhile, according to some relatives of the victims, the Ukrainian officers themselves admitted that the top leadership from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine who controlled the exercise was intoxicated and could give inadequate orders.

Several Ukrainian officers retired, they confessed in conversations with journalists: there were drunk people at the exercises. My version: it was not those who directly fired that drank, but the leaders who had to watch so that the blow would hit the target clearly

- said one of them.

Relatives of those killed in that disaster have been trying for 20 years to achieve official recognition of Kiev, but everything is useless. The United States and France, whose satellites recorded the moment of the tragedy, could clarify the matter, but they refuse to provide official data, although in the first hours after the plane crash they directly pointed to Ukraine as the culprit.

Note that in the case of the Boeing shot down over the Donetsk region of Ukraine, the United States also refuses to provide any information.
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  1. Dimy4
    Dimy4 4 October 2021 10: 34
    +3
    They didn't knock him down to confess later.
    1. dimy44
      dimy44 4 October 2021 10: 52
      +3
      Shot down something not on purpose, negligence. I'm afraid to guess where those people are now who launched the rocket, since the ends are in the water.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 4 October 2021 11: 08
        +6
        to admit guilt, it takes courage and character ... and what not ...
      2. The black
        The black 4 October 2021 11: 09
        +9
        And where and when did you hear that Ukraine would admit guilt? They have anyone to blame, but not them
      3. fruc
        fruc 4 October 2021 12: 23
        -1
        As for Ukraine, everything is clear, "they are not on purpose."
        А
        ......... in the case of the Boeing shot down over the Donetsk region of Ukraine, the United States also refuses to provide any information.

        So maybe they do not have any information, Just show themselves off.
      4. fruc
        fruc 4 October 2021 12: 31
        0
        dimy44
        I'm afraid to guess where those people are now who launched the rocket, since the ends are in the water.

        In the same place as the Dnieper dispatcher who controlled the MAC17
      5. MARGADON
        MARGADON 4 October 2021 15: 45
        0
        What do you mean not on purpose? To give an order to shoot down a plane is like going for bread? Do they throw such orders every day?
      6. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 October 2021 16: 33
        +2
        Then they admitted that they had shot down by mistake, and fired the Minister of Defense and three generals. And they punished several more officers.
        And they paid Russia and Israel 7.5 million each for the relatives of the victims.
  2. Timon2155
    Timon2155 4 October 2021 10: 35
    +5
    Someone surprised? They "went off track" long ago, already several decades ago.
    1. Pankrat25
      Pankrat25 4 October 2021 13: 08
      +4
      I have to correct you: several centuries ago, or to be more precise, from 1794, when the student Kotlyarevsky invented the Ukrainian language ..
      1. bayard
        bayard 4 October 2021 23: 13
        +1
        "Nay bove motor boy
        And the lads want where the Cossack is ... "
        At that time, they laughed at this joke poem in all the St. Petersburg salons - "It seems like he’s bloody, but it’s clear to the Russian ear ...".
        And it’s what happened - the Sumerians have since dug up the sea, and from the Anunaki came, and gave birth to Buddha ...
  3. Palestinian
    Palestinian 4 October 2021 10: 35
    +2
    well, of course ... but I believe that he sees everything up there ...
  4. dimy44
    dimy44 4 October 2021 10: 41
    +4
    So after all, Kuchma said, they say, why did you hesitate, there have been tragedies and worse, leave me alone. This is the president.
    1. Xlor
      Xlor 4 October 2021 10: 43
      +8
      Kuchma said

      I am sorry that Kuchma did not fly this side ...
      1. ankir13
        ankir13 4 October 2021 11: 03
        +3
        To launch Kuchma, like Munchausen, he is also so smart, he flies to Mars on a rocket, and will return back, psya krev.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 4 October 2021 11: 09
      +2
      Quote: dimy44
      So after all, Kuchma said, they say, why did you hesitate, there have been tragedies and worse, leave me alone. This is the president.

      our the same with "she drowned" not far left.
      1. dimy44
        dimy44 4 October 2021 11: 36
        -1
        Broke off a helluva lot of "competent" journalist, did not fall for provocation.
  5. prior
    prior 4 October 2021 10: 49
    -11
    It looks like Russia has forgotten how to receive honest answers to directly posed questions.
    However, honestly answering difficult questions too.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 4 October 2021 10: 54
      -6
      Quote: prior
      It looks like Russia has forgotten how to receive honest answers to directly posed questions.

      Hang them on a rack?
      However, honestly answering difficult questions too.

      They never knew how
      1. prior
        prior 4 October 2021 11: 01
        0
        They could conduct their investigation, their own court, and submit the results to all international organizations for condemnation. And to strip off the guilty three skins. Sanctions to help, as the Americans do. And one more skin for not confessing ourselves. Arrest a dozen aircraft and pay off damage.
        So, there would be at least something.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 4 October 2021 11: 10
          -5
          Quote: prior
          They could conduct their investigation, their own court, and submit the results to all international organizations for condemnation.

          Made. useless
          And one more skin for not confessing ourselves

          Admitted

          And how to arrest without a court decision?
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. fruc
      fruc 4 October 2021 12: 34
      0
      prior
      However, honestly answering difficult questions too.

      Give examples.
      1. prior
        prior 4 October 2021 12: 41
        -4
        "We hear a lot of examples of that in history ...."
        When, for example, will useless muzzles be removed from the population?
        1. Pankrat25
          Pankrat25 4 October 2021 13: 11
          -1
          Muzzles have never been useless if you're talking about medical masks. laughing
          1. prior
            prior 4 October 2021 13: 14
            -3
            So don't take them off, day or night, if they are so heart to you.
        2. fruc
          fruc 4 October 2021 15: 42
          +1
          Well, if you do not respect others, you can take pictures.
  6. steppe wolf
    steppe wolf 4 October 2021 10: 52
    0
    The tragedy, which claimed the lives of 78 people, occurred during the exercises of the Ukrainian army on the Crimean peninsula.


    In fact, these were joint Russian-Ukrainian exercises at the 31st test site at Cape Opuk, in which combat units of Ukraine and Russia took part. And the 31st test site itself belonged then to the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, and was operated by the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    But that S-200V missile was Ukrainian, and the firing was controlled from the command post of the Ukrainian Air Defense Corps.
    1. steppe wolf
      steppe wolf 4 October 2021 11: 17
      0
      Guys, I would minus myself - I don't like that either. But no matter how many minuses you put, the joint Russian-Ukrainian exercises on October 4, 2001 at Cape Opuk will not become purely Ukrainian exercises.
      1. Pankrat25
        Pankrat25 4 October 2021 13: 13
        0
        Wow, you didn't know they were together hi Those. Putin had the same hand in this. But he didn't fire the defense minister ...
        1. steppe wolf
          steppe wolf 4 October 2021 13: 31
          0
          Putin then said that the Ukrainian air defense forces could not shoot down a Russian Tu-154 plane that fell in the Black Sea during the exercise. "Firstly, all the necessary services in Ukraine were notified in advance. Secondly, according to tactical and technical data, the weapons that were used at that time could not reach the air corridors in which our aircraft was located."

          https://www.newsru.com/russia/04oct2001/tu154_pu.html
          1. bayard
            bayard 4 October 2021 23: 27
            +1
            Quote: Steppe wolf
            ... Secondly, according to tactical and technical data, the weapons that were used at that time could not reach the air corridors in which our aircraft was located. "

            The point is that when preparing for the exercises, they planned to fire only the S-300 complex. Accordingly, the security zones were cut based on the range of these missiles. And at the last moment, instead of the S-300, the S-200 was dragged into the exercise, the missile range of which is much greater than the previously envisaged security zones.
            Nobody explained why the complexes were replaced at the very last moment - just a strong-willed decision.
            I heard about this from the secretary of the very same S-300, who then did not get to the shooting. And they have been preparing for them for a very long time. They just sent us a hang-up.
            So it turns out that the calculation of the S-200 was not only poorly prepared (and possibly the material part too), but did not prepare for those firing at all.
            ... Or the reason is completely different, but this is already conspiracy theories.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 4 October 2021 14: 55
        -1
        Quote: Steppe wolf
        joint Russian-Ukrainian exercises on October 4, 2001 at Cape Opuk will not become purely Ukrainian exercises.

        This is already a lie. The fact that the exercises were attended by Russian OBSERVERS does not in any way make them joint. Representatives of NATO countries have sent their observers to our exercises many times, and on this basis they have never been called joint.
  7. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 4 October 2021 10: 52
    0
    The United States and France, whose satellites recorded the moment of the tragedy, could bring clarity to the matter ...
    What they just didn’t record, only they have problems with providing data - either satellites, or carriers, they have, have a political connotation and refuse to give out "secret information".
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 October 2021 10: 54
    -3
    I read about drunks for the first time, before they wrote that the reason was the language barrier. The Ukrainian military was ordered to communicate exclusively in mov, and while the rocket flew into a passenger plane, they simply watched trying to remember the words in order to give the command to eliminate the rocket.
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 October 2021 12: 57
      +3
      This is someone's invention. It couldn't be
      The S-200 Vega complex does not have a command for self-destruction of missiles, in principle, so no words there would help
      The S-200 missile, in the event of a loss of the reflected signal from the target, for some time tries to catch it again, then the rudders are moved to the up position, the rocket rises as high as possible and self-destructs there. There are simply no other ways to eliminate the S-200.
      The target illumination was turned off long before the alleged disaster.
  9. sgapich
    sgapich 4 October 2021 11: 14
    +3
    For the author: MAK is not "International", and Interstate aviation committee.
  10. know
    know 4 October 2021 11: 24
    0
    Double standards in action. And this has not surprised anyone for a long time.
  11. Oleg Valevsky
    Oleg Valevsky 4 October 2021 11: 55
    +1
    And what prevents to supplement, for the sake of justice, this article with the following facts (it seems to me that they radically change the emphasis):

    1. At first, the Ukrainian side was not going to carry out the shooting in Crimea, but the Kremlin insisted that it be a JOINT EXERCISE in firing from ground and ship anti-aircraft missile systems and they were conducted at the range of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation at Cape Opuk in Crimea. Of course, the firing was not limited to the S-200 complex, moreover, in addition to the air defense, several ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet took part in the exercises

    2. The shooting was carried out at the range of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation (!), That is, the Ukrainian air defense personnel were "visiting". I do not know if the radar for illumination (missile guidance) was also Russian, but the results of the tripartite commission (Israel-RF-Ukraine) clearly indicate that the commission was subsequently not admitted to the Russian base (under the pretext of secrecy). As it was, the commission was refused by the Russian Federation to provide radar data (those in the Crimea and those along the coast of the Black Sea). Let me remind you that Ukraine had no means of control that would "reach" the point where the Tu-154 disappeared. Not in Crimea, not on the "mainland"

    3. What is interesting in the conclusions of the specialists?
    a) erroneous aiming at an aircraft instead of a target is impossible (a different type of target, different azimuths and angular velocities), the trajectory of the missile would be completely different
    b) It is impossible for the rocket to enter the rear hemisphere of the aircraft when it is aiming at the anticipated meeting point.
    c) The fact of turning off the target illumination radar (ROC) - the signal source, the reflection of which from the target is guided by the rocket - is not taken into account. Not a word about the impossibility of capturing the target of the ROC at such a range and about the absence of at least one fragment of the rocket and the outer shell of the plane with holes. But unjustified importance is attached to the striking elements - nothing more than balls from bearings, among the sources of origin of which missiles occupy, perhaps, the last place. By the way, the traces of blasting agent on them are different in composition from that adopted in the warhead (warhead). In addition, in the fragments of the aircraft there are round holes smaller in diameter than the shrapnel of the rocket. By the way, not a single buckshot ball, as some media outlets wrote, was removed from the corpses.
    d) The report also states that the Reis target (at which the Ukrainian S-200 was aimed) three minutes before the Tu-154 disaster was destroyed by the fire of another anti-aircraft missile system - the S-300 PS, located 11 kilometers from C -200V (Unfortunately, the report does not indicate whose, Ukrainian or Russian, side the complex belonged to).

    At 9:42 UTC (at 12:42 Kiev time), the radiation of the C-200V radar equipment was also stopped, which also excludes the possibility of a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile hitting the plane. (That is, as far as I understand, the S-200 guidance radar was simply turned off, without which it is impossible to aim the missile at the target. At the same time, the Reis training target was at an altitude of about 4 km, and the Tu-154 was almost 11. How can a missile be without did the illumination (radar off!) climb to such a height by itself? Not to mention that it simply would not have enough fuel to get to the point where the passenger plane was?

    And here are some more interesting facts. At first, after the incident, the President of the Russian Federation declares the non-involvement of the Ukrainian side, his direct speech: "The weapons that were used at that time, according to tactical and technical data, could not reach the air corridors in which our aircraft was located." Then there is strong political pressure on the Ukrainian side, and Kuchma mumbles in front of the camera, "Don't be shy about qi, and so on." And as soon as Ukraine indirectly assumes responsibility by paying money to the relatives of the victims, it immediately rains on Ukraine from contracts and lucrative offers from the Russian side (I recommend looking at the archives). As if in gratitude (?) .. For something

    Next, I invite everyone to think for themselves.
    1. Oleg Valevsky
      Oleg Valevsky 4 October 2021 12: 04
      -1
      I almost forgot about the main thing.
      When the Tu-154 crashed, the Russian voter still had a bitter aftertaste after the events with the Kursk submarine ...
      (But this supplement is exclusively for those who have not lost the ability to think)
      1. Thorvlobnor IV
        Thorvlobnor IV 4 October 2021 12: 43
        0
        There is something else important: the Russian plane flew in an airspace not closed by the Russian military (!) With the responder turned off (!). Ukraine closed its airspace during the exercise, but Russia for some reason did not do this, although long-range anti-aircraft missiles were used during the exercise.
        And one more thing (maybe there are anti-aircraft gunners here?): Can an S-200 missile hit a target if it is flying over the sea, and the radar has been turned off for three minutes (!)?
    2. Avior
      Avior 4 October 2021 13: 02
      +2
      Everything is just like that.
      I will add, the Americans did not say that the missile hit the plane.
      They only stated that there were air defense exercises in the Crimea at the time of the loss of the plane.
      1. Liam
        Liam 4 October 2021 13: 16
        0
        Quote: Avior
        Everything is just like that

        It remains only to announce the fate of the criminal case opened by the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation on this fact.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 October 2021 11: 57
    0
    Officially, Ukraine did not admit guilt, and later stated that it had nothing to do with the tragedy.
    Exclusively in the style of the "new Ukraine" and on the principle of the d.rak himself. And where are all the Western defenders of human rights, investigators of crimes against humanity, etc.? No voices, no complaints, no condemnation are heard, and 20 years have passed.
  13. ximkim
    ximkim 4 October 2021 12: 02
    0
    Everyone is to blame.
  14. singless
    singless 4 October 2021 12: 24
    0
    right now, the deep-sea vehicle will be repaired. poked in the scent at the right moment