"Return to the eighties": in Germany surprised by the purchase of old radio stations by the Bundeswehr

The transition of the Bundeswehr to new means of communication is proceeding at an extremely slow pace. In this regard, it was decided to finance the purchase of old analog radio stations of the 1980s, for which the arsenal of spare parts has already dried up.

The program of re-equipping the ground units of the Bundeswehr with digital radio stations has been implemented for many years. Thanks to them, the military command hoped not only to provide better protection of radio transmissions from eavesdropping and interference, but, above all, to deploy multi-level battle control systems.

Over time, however, it became clear that the giant DLBO ground operations digitalization project was far behind schedule. Against this background, the armed forces resorted to a temporary solution - to restore the functionality of the old radios of the SEM 80/90 family without making any changes to them.

It looks like an act of despair

- indicated in the Augen geradeaus.

As noted, the old radio stations should be installed on the military equipment of the Bundeswehr, which is currently deprived of communications. As explained in the Ministry of Defense, their acute shortage requires the organization of early purchases. If you initiate the process of acquiring digital radio stations, you will have to enter a pan-European auction, which is fraught with lengthy bureaucratic delays. As a result, the troops could be left without radio communications for a long period of time.

The contract signed in September for the restoration of the arsenal of SEM 80/90 radios will be carried out by the French company Thales, which owns the only German manufacturer of these devices. In accordance with the agreement, Thales must demonstrate the ability to expand the production of radio equipment at the technical level of the 1980s, and then supply it to the army until 2033, with a possible extension of purchases until 2036. In total, it is planned to purchase 30 thousand radio stations

If the Bundeswehr really orders all the necessary 30 new old radios, it will cost about 000 million euros [that is, each product will cost 600 thousand euros]

- explains the author from Germany, expressing surprise "back in the eighties."

Comments

[75 Sergey]

HOLP YEN I LANA, HYAIVOLSU HINNELEDERPO IN

[seregatara1969]

Bureaucracy will swallow the good in this world

[svp67]

In total, it is planned to purchase 30 thousand radio stations

Quite a lot, even such a figure is surprising if they are going to be installed on armored vehicles. I am afraid that there will not be so many of them in the Bundeswehr ...
SEM 80/90 are mobile radios belonging to the SEM 70/80/90 family of radio stations, which replaced SEM 1986/25 in the Bundeswehr in 35. Manufacturer - Standard Elektrik Lorenz (SEL)

Frequency range 30,0 to 79,975 MHz
Channel spacing 25 kHz
RF power:
SEM 80 0,4 / 4W
SEM 90 4 / 40W
Radius of action:
SEM 80 up to 17 km
SEM 90 up to 30 km
Dimensions 416 x 275 x 180 mm
8 kg weight
A radio station with an additional LV-90 power amplifier module has the SEM 90 index. These radio stations were used to equip vehicles of the Bundeswehr (including the Marder BMP). There are functions for speech coding and data exchange, with a speed of 16 kbps.

[kind]

We must, we must help dear comrades! Who agrees?!!

Spare lamps GU-32 included.

[Cat]

Tapik - I tear it off from my heart Standing in my dacha for communication with the checkpoint.

[dauria]

Frequency range 30,0 to 79,975 MHz

We get old TV sets from the barns and listen to the Bundeswehr on channels 1-3. In general, I noticed an interesting thing. All these gigahertz are wonderful. And the antennas are miniature. Only here's the thing. I have been dabbling in radio control a long time ago, I started in the late 70s with the 27 MHz band, now the solid steepness is 2.4 and 5.8 GHz. The same 0, 6 -1 watts of power, the sensitivity is even better. Everything is fine as long as there are no trees between you and the model. Or urban development. And if you flopped into the thick grass - figs for you, not kilometers. God forbid, there is a connection with a bunch of errors from 150 m.
There was no such thing on the good old meter waves.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: svp67

Features speech coding and communication

probably all the same encryption, not encoding.

[dedusik]

Precisely coding

[ProkletyiPirat]

I hope at least the masks are there variables? albeit not dynamically, but in general, but it looks like that well, not at all comme il faut

[rocket757]

"Return to the eighties": in Germany surprised by the purchase of old radio stations by the Bundeswehr

... Greatly surprised !!! And what, the market cannot decide in any way?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

... Greatly surprised !!! And what, the market cannot decide in any way?

I was also surprised. To what the European bureaucracy has brought, and all these competitions ... It seems that the right thing, market, but entrusted to the point of absurdity, turns into a wild brake ... Digital communication in the army is NOT IMPLEMENTED. And they put ancient analogues in huge quantities. In which case, make it easier for our EW troops. Deprive the adversary of communication

[rocket757]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In which case, make it easier for our EW troops. Deprive the adversary of communication

You can not listen to the rattling of politicians ... empty there. The warriors do not plan to fight, especially with a serious enemy!
They just spend money by the end of the year, otherwise they will not give it any more, since they cannot spend it on business.

[Nexcom]

Our specialists will have to sweat less when listening to a potential enemy

[Foxmara]

What the hell is the enemy of the Germans now? Why should they go east for the third time? Our enemy is essentially one for a long time - the Naglo-Saxons. And if the Germans are smart enough to understand - the same enemy

[Nexcom]

The Germans are in NATO. And under the Americans. Despite the fact that logic dictates that they do not need "drang nah ost", despite the fact that many of them do not want a war with Russia and are rather friendly to Russia, they cannot escape from the NATO and the United States. And all the same, they will follow the same course with the United States, maybe not so zealously, but they will. NATO is a potential adversary. And a potential enemy is always "listened to" and watched.
In addition to the German man in the street, there are German politicians who clearly show who their opponents are. Germany is just not averse to getting from Russia everything that they need, but if anything, they will support sanctions and politically condemn "Russia's aggression", and turn a blind eye to the dirty tricks of the US-Ukraine.
IMHO, Germany should not be taken too neutral.
There are also revanchist sentiments there.

[Doctor]

US chips do not want Hans. They prefer the domestic manufacturer Standard Elektrik Lorenz, albeit a little outdated.

http://factmil.com/publ/strana/germanija/sredstva_radiosvjazi_bundesvera_chast_1/41-1-0-195

It is right.

[tralflot1832]

I swear by my mother! These are the tricks of our black warrant officer. He emigrated to Germany and rose to the Black Oberst and made the purchase of radio stations. And all the Schwarze Oberst pubs in Germany are his.

[dedusik]

It's just that there are problems in the world with silicon

The shortage of silicon metal due to production cuts in China has become a new obstacle to the global economic recovery. The deficit caused prices to rise 300 percent in two months.

[Eragon]

Quote: dedusik

It's just that there are problems in the world with silicon

The shortage of silicon metal due to production cuts in China has become a new obstacle to the global economic recovery. The deficit caused prices to rise 300 percent in two months.

Lord, what has marketing gotten to - "metal silicon" !!!
But after all:
"Silicon (Si from Latin Silicium) is an element of the fourteenth group (according to the old classification - the main subgroup of the fourth group), the third period of the periodic system of chemical elements with atomic number 14. Atomic mass 28,085. Non-metal, the second most common chemical element in the earth's crust (after oxygen). Very important for modern electronics. "(Wiki)

[Nexcom]

You're right. As a physicist, I wanted to write, but did not. Thank you, please, a balm for the soul

[Nexcom]

Take the trouble to read a physics textbook on materials science, or do you seriously think that writing on the Internet is an argument ???

[dedusik]

It’s too late for me to take it, and there’s nothing to do with it. I am a mechanical engineer and materials science is my specialty. And I recommend that you read GOST 2169-69, so what is it, metallic silicon https://www.ural-atom.ru/catalog/k-5282434-kremni/ph:2398_2169-69

[Nexcom]

The band gap of unoxidized silicon is 1.2 eV, this is not a metal, but a metalloid for that matter. Classical metals have no band gap. And no matter what it says in the GOST. Not a single GOST will change the physics of the zone structure of the material.

[Eragon]

Quote: dedusik

It’s too late for me to take it, and there’s nothing to do with it. I am a mechanical engineer and materials science is my specialty. And I recommend that you read GOST 2169-69, so what is it, metallic silicon https://www.ural-atom.ru/catalog/k-5282434-kremni/ph:2398_2169-69

There is no need for GOSTs. It's not for nothing that I mentioned the marketers. "Metallic" means "used in the production of metals". Yeah...
PS But in GOST 2169-69 I still looked. Everything is all right with him - "Silicon technical".

[MstislavHrabr]

In the event of war, the first thing that will be "disconnected" will be satellite communications and navigation. Perhaps then, this is the type of connection and will be in demand ...

[tralflot1832]

We'll have to take pennies of those who know Morse code and HF radio amateurs from sofas. HF communication in telephony mode is hammered by one or two. True, and the answer will instantly fly into the antenna field.

[MstislavHrabr]

And if simulators of antenna fields work (I don't think they are expensive to make)? Where to shoot?

[tralflot1832]

If they were able to make simulators of air targets this year, then it will not be difficult to simulate some kind of transmitting antenna field, but with KShMka there is already a problem, they will jam themselves.

[Petro_tut]

if simulators of antenna fields will work (I do not think that it is expensive to make them)? Where to shoot?

In working microwaves with the doors removed, as in Yugoslavia

[stas Sv]

You take out the NL-10, take out a 5-kilometer distance and go ahead, fly. Remember, we were spoiled by GPS

[denplot]

As Comrade Stalin said, "Better bad tanks than no tanks."

[Basarev]

Well, what's wrong with that? In some places we have devices from the times of the war.

[Nexcom]

TAI 43 is generally eternal

[faterdom]

The first radio relay stations were received by us as trophies from the 6th Army of Paulus in 43. And since then, almost the same relay, named R-401, 403, 405, was until recently stored in warehouses of NZ and operated on existing communication lines ... And in civilian life too. It works and okay, as reliable as a charcoal iron ...
So the Germans are right in their own way: the old tried and tested means of communication of the domestic (German) manufacturer for a reasonable price are quite a sensible solution to the issue.
For communication in a convoy it will do, for peacetime - quite.
And all sorts of electronic warfare, if they cling to, then the more expensive fancy American or Japanese system will be hammered.
There is one more nuance: the communication technology of the 80s is the last generation of repairable equipment. Then no.

[Igor Gul]

Let them look in the forests near Cologne, we buried a lot of them there. Good luck

[Simple]

The FRG has spent most of the 13 billion on Afghanistan somewhere.
And then they tell everything about wells and schools.
Radio stations are our everything.

[zenion]

In the 60s, he served at the radio station with duplex communication, communication is unlimited. Works from very long frequencies to millimeter waves. Not every part was hit. Great coding, automatic frequency change. The receiver stood with automatic change and check of stations, asked if you want to check, if you did not press the yes button, checked further. Had some kind of device inside that could automatically record the reception. Thus, I caught and passed on several SOS signals.

[Dkuznecov]

We are laughing, but today I look in telegrams
people threw down. It turns out that the watsap failed.
I am leading to the fact that, as in a well-known anecdote -
"the alternative, sonny is the ducks."