Military spending in the Russian military budget will overtake economic spending

221

Next year, defense spending in the Russian budget will occupy the second line, ahead of spending on the economy. As follows from the draft federal budget for 2022, it is planned to spend 3,5 trillion on military spending. rubles.

As follows from the explanatory note to the draft federal budget for 2022-2024, the expenditures under the "National Defense" section next year will exceed the expenditures under the "National Economy" section. If for military needs 3,5 trillion rubles are allocated in the budget. rubles, then 3,46 trillion rubles are allocated to the economy. In the first place, as it was before, is "Social Policy", more than 5,8 trillion rubles have been allocated for it.



But this year, defense spending was less than the economy. This is mainly due to the coronavirus pandemic. In 2020, 3,6 trillion were spent on the economic sector, while on defense - 3,4 trillion. rubles. Before that, "economic spending" exceeded the military a couple of times - in 2009 and 2014. In other cases, defense spending turned out to be higher.

Data on specific spending on defense are not provided, since most of them are classified. It should be noted that, in fact, military expenditures are much more than budgeted, just some items of expenditures are covered by other sections. For example, the development of communications and informatics takes place in the section of the economy, and the payment of military pensions - in the section of "social policy".

The draft budget for the next year at the end of September was submitted to the State Duma, within the framework of the same bill, budgets for 2023 and 2024 are being considered.
  • https://twitter.com/mod_russia
Our news channels

Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

221 comment
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. -5
    3 October 2021 16: 28
    A strange headline, why not write that spending on Sotsialka is 2 times higher than spending on defense and economic development. Maybe then at least people think that it's time to work, and not be dependent
    1. -2
      3 October 2021 16: 33
      The government is trying to reduce social security by extending the retirement age. But people don't want to.
      And headlines should always grab attention.
      1. +3
        3 October 2021 17: 19
        So that the retirement age does not rise, it is necessary, as it were, to bring demographics to at least 0, so that there is 1 able-bodied person for 1 pensioner. This is, in fact, at least 2 children per family, and preferably 3, or deduct taxes 2-3 times more. Have you fulfilled this norm before the state? after all, the right to demand a decent pension also implies obligations.
        1. +16
          3 October 2021 17: 35
          If we rely on your layout, then I have exceeded the norm.
          1. 0
            3 October 2021 20: 08
            The woman herself, in the subconscious, decides. Fathers are just a support, they provide help.
            See it is necessary for the father-in-law - from him a sample of a man and the manner (goals) of a woman's life
          2. +8
            3 October 2021 20: 25
            you fulfilled, and others get paid in an envelope
            and for which the commentator Rubi0 was instructed cons, so he is right
            1. for
              +3
              3 October 2021 20: 47
              Quote: Janerobot
              salary received in an envelope

              And the third are kickbacks in an envelope.
        2. +6
          3 October 2021 17: 50
          or to deduct taxes 2-3 times more
          to increase tax collection, taxes must be lowered. If you raise taxes, as they do now, then the tax collection falls, because naturally everyone goes into the shadows or closes the business. Simple truths for those familiar with economic theory.
          1. -13
            3 October 2021 17: 57
            And what tax was raised for the average citizen? We do not take into account that 1% who earn more than 5 million and pay right now on a progressive scale.
            1. +9
              3 October 2021 18: 49
              For some reason, many believe that they pay about 13% of taxes. Unfortunately, this is far from the case.

              13% - personal income tax;
              22% - Pension Fund;
              5,1% - Deposit for mandatory medical insurance;
              3,1% - Contribution to the FSS;
              15% (average) - indirect VAT tax;
              8% (average) - excise taxes and additional. taxes on fuel, alcohol, etc.
              5% (on average) - on other, small taxes and state duties.

              Total: 71,2% - real taxes of Russians ...
              1. +9
                3 October 2021 19: 28
                Quote: Most polite
                For some reason, many believe that they pay about 13% of taxes.

                "Vasya's dad is good at arithmetic"
                But, VAT, contributions to the Pension Fund, compulsory medical insurance, FSS, excise taxes are paid not an employee, but an employer out of profit.
                Yes, they are proportional to the payroll, but let's think about what will happen if these taxes and fees are canceled.
                Will prices go down? Don't be naive. The merchant sells at the highest bid price. Reset if they stop taking. Demand, you know, and supply. Only the merchant's profit will increase.
                But social services and pensions, so small, will simply cease to exist.
                Reliance on oil and gas, etc. raw materials are naive. According to a rough estimate, the entire export of hydrocarbons gives to the budget about 50 thousand rubles per capita per year. This is the income tax of 20 million skilled workers in, say, the United States. Only income.
                So it is necessary to work, and given that it so happened that in the Russian Federation, out of 146 million of the population, there are 43 million pensioners, and even children, housewives, there are 76 million working people, of which 5 million are real unemployed and parasites who have joined them, just working is not enough. Calling for justice won't help. historical examples are enough.
                It is necessary to produce expensive high-tech goods and services. Including the military-industrial complex. The problem is to establish the production of competitive civilian products at military factories, it is not easy, but "we must strive for this", here defense costs can be considered, in part, as costs for technologies, i.e. on the economy.
                1. +18
                  3 October 2021 19: 40
                  "Vasya's dad is good at arithmetic"

                  This is probably about your family :))

                  Pension fund contributions (22%) are a "hidden" tax. It is not taken into account in the employment contract, but the employer is forced to calculate your salary, taking into account the cost of this contribution.

                  The contribution to the compulsory health insurance fund (5,1%) is a "hidden" tax. Imagine what amount would be obtained if all citizens of Russia were deducted from their salaries every month 5,1%? This is a colossal amount of money, which is not clear how it is spent. But officials are constantly crying about how they do not have enough budget money for new hospitals and normal doctors.

                  The social security contribution (3,1%) is a "hidden" tax. Did you think that the employer pays you when you are sick? No, it's just that we ourselves, every month, make contributions to the fund, which in case of sickness pay us.

                  VAT - value added tax (20%) - explicit tax. Every time we buy a product in a store, we automatically pay this tax, or rather, we do not pay, it is paid by the seller, the store owner. But this tax is included in the price of the goods, i.e. in fact, we still pay for it.

                  Etc. etc.
                  1. -2
                    3 October 2021 23: 32
                    Dear, far from the life of entrepreneurs and organizations. Not everyone pays vat. Mostly only large companies. There is also a simplification - 6% from the shaft or 8% income-expense. Plus - I know that 80% of entrepreneurs spend at least 50% of their income in the black.
                    Draw your own conclusions.
                    1. -6
                      4 October 2021 06: 22
                      Quote: Installer
                      A plus - I know that 80% of entrepreneurs spend at least 50% of their income in black.

                      Yes, you are fucking do not know... All the money goes through the bank. And there everything is in full view. You can't hide anything. You probably remember the 90s with the XNUMXs where the black cash was all around.
                      1. 0
                        5 October 2021 00: 57
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Quote: Installer
                        A plus - I know that 80% of entrepreneurs spend at least 50% of their income in black.

                        Yes, you are fucking do not know... All the money goes through the bank. And there everything is in full view. You can't hide anything. You probably remember the 90s with the XNUMXs where the black cash was all around.

                        LOL. Who canceled the cache?
                      2. 0
                        6 October 2021 22: 16
                        What do you do? And where do you live? You don’t know anything!
                        It's at least silly to think that all money goes through the bank! Yes, 50-70% passes, but half of them is payment to a personal card! No taxes! The rest is cash. Some even practice the difference in the price of cash and non-cash.
                        And in general, there is nothing to comment on what you do not know. I work in a small business. And I know reality better than sofa commentators.
                2. -2
                  3 October 2021 21: 45
                  "It is necessary to produce expensive high-tech goods" - It remains to find a lot of money for the creation and production of these very high-tech goods and sales markets with sales volumes that will recoup production and bring profit. Alas, Russia has big problems with both the first and the second.
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2021 23: 42
                    If our nouveau riches and bureaucrats continue to buy real estate over the hill and build the largest yachts and regularly replenish bank accounts, then yes, there will be big problems with money.
                    What are the problems with the sales market? Have you found such a "market" for a car at 20 million apiece? I mean the Aurus, on which the servants of the people are transplanted? (Kruzak or Gelik for 7-8 lam already zapadlo for them))))
                    You see - they found money for creation and production and provided a sales market! wassat laughing
                    They know how when they want!
                3. kig
                  0
                  4 October 2021 06: 02
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  of which 5 million are unemployed

                  And it seems to me that unemployment is growing almost daily. Why? - and here's why. I watch it from the window into the courtyard and see that everything there is crowded with cars. I look at the next house - the same picture. Moreover, despite the height of the working day, no one left anywhere. Here's the proof.


                  And also, on the way to the city beach, there are always traffic jams - instead of work, people go to swim and sunbathe. Apparently, there is nowhere else to go. People were left without work.
                4. 0
                  5 October 2021 06: 39
                  Add all the state employees, they receive money from the budget, and do not replenish it, this is another 10-15 million
              2. +5
                3 October 2021 19: 58
                Interestingly, and how are the expenses / incomes of the clergy? and in comparison with others?
                PS. This is where, however, the manpower reserves for the construction of the Sun Cities Shoigu
                1. +1
                  3 October 2021 20: 19
                  It would be too voluminous and boring narration, not everyone could master laughing
                  The current tax legislation in the Russian Federation provides for a number of tax benefits for religious organizations.
                  For example, the total income of all structures of the Russian Orthodox Church is not amenable to external assessment due to decentralized accounting, inaccessibility of parish budgets (approved annually at parish meetings, but usually do not go outside the parish), lack of access to the accounting records of dioceses and the Patriarchy, as well as a significant share of the “shadow component ".
                  According to RBK estimates, the Russian Orthodox Church received about 2012 billion rubles from the budget and state organizations in 2015-14
              3. -17
                3 October 2021 20: 20
                this nonsense about taxes with these percentages is written everywhere, according to the same training manual
                that's why I think the opposition does not enjoy the support of the population, as it constantly lies,
                Russia is full of real problems, but it turns out that the opposition is far from the people and therefore non-existent problems are invented (hunger, burned and sold taiga, etc.)
                1. +10
                  3 October 2021 23: 55
                  Quote: Janerobot
                  ... the opposition is far from the people ...

                  Power is even further, it generally lives in a parallel world.
                  And the opposition does not enjoy the support of the Tsik accountants, and not the people, do not confuse.

                  Quote: Janerobot
                  this nonsense about taxes with these percentages is written everywhere, according to the same training manual ..... non-existent problems are invented (hunger, burnt and sold taiga, etc.)

                  What, there are no taxes and the taiga did not burn ?! belay That's the number!
                  It looks like you got confused in the training manuals.
                  1. -6
                    4 October 2021 06: 28
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    It looks like you got confused in the training manuals.

                    Yes, this is an ordinary troll. He has no adequate commentary. This is not provided for in the training manuals.
                    1. +1
                      4 October 2021 08: 18
                      well troll so troll
                      Earlier on this site they wrote on military topics, and in the comments there were many interesting additions, now there is only a fight with Putin, adequate comments are minuscule, and you also do not shine here (write the same thing in different topics: Putin, Putin ... .).
                      1. -6
                        4 October 2021 08: 43
                        Quote: Janerobot
                        now here only to fight with Putin, adequate commentary minuscule
                        This is the policy of VO - "back to a bright future." And Putin greatly interferes with this: under him, people again begin to be proud of their country. Not all, of course, but all sane people who consider Russia their homeland.
              4. +6
                3 October 2021 21: 06
                Quote: Most polite
                For some reason, many believe that they pay about 13% of taxes. Unfortunately, this is far from the case.

                13% - personal income tax;
                22% - Pension Fund;
                5,1% - Deposit for mandatory medical insurance;
                3,1% - Contribution to the FSS;
                15% (average) - indirect VAT tax;
                8% (average) - excise taxes and additional. taxes on fuel, alcohol, etc.
                5% (on average) - on other, small taxes and state duties.

                Total: 71,2% - real taxes of Russians ...

                And how can you work in white ?!
              5. -2
                3 October 2021 21: 10
                So which one was raised?
                Well, you can already tell the local public about tax deductions and how they can return the same 13% of personal income tax if there is a mortgage, for example, or children. You are obviously good at it, apparently, I take off my hat hi
                1. +2
                  3 October 2021 21: 26
                  On the dynamics of prices for automobile gasoline and resources of petroleum products in August 2021


                  In August 2021, compared to July 2021, producer prices for motor gasoline increased by 3,4% on average. Its rise in price was noted in almost all constituent entities of the Russian Federation engaged in the production of gasoline. Most of all, it rose in price in the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia) - by 9,2%, in the Ryazan region - by 6,9%, in the Saratov region - by 6,5%, in the Republic of Bashkortostan - by 5,7%. [media = http: // https: //rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/176_29-09-2021.html]


                  Excise taxes will increase on alcohol, cars, gasoline and diesel fuel.

                  The rates of excise taxes on tobacco products and electronic cigarettes will increase. The increase will be 20%.
              6. -4
                3 October 2021 23: 20
                Quote: Most polite
                Total: 71,2% - real taxes of Russians ...

                rare nonsense
              7. +6
                3 October 2021 23: 21
                Why not all existing taxes mentioned here? You can get up to 150% there)
              8. -1
                4 October 2021 02: 03

                According to other estimates, this is how much ...
              9. +6
                4 October 2021 03: 30
                13% - personal income tax;
                22% - Pension Fund;
                5,1% - Deposit for mandatory medical insurance;
                3,1% - Contribution to the FSS;
                15% (average) - indirect VAT tax;
                8% (average) - excise taxes and additional. taxes on fuel, alcohol, etc.
                5% (on average) - on other, small taxes and state duties.

                Total: 71,2% - real taxes of Russians ...

                I go nuts: here and further everyone is eating this game of thimbles, and no one is outraged: the genius put together taxes on different cash flows and categories in one heap, and did not even blush!
                And if, suppose, they introduce a 50% tax on the purchase of televisions, will you declare that the taxes of Russians have reached 121% ???
                If a child has grown by 10% in a year, and gained 20% in weight, do you think it will come out that he has increased by 30% ???
              10. 0
                4 October 2021 04: 07
                this is because 13% is deducted from the salary - the rest is paid by the employer. not counting the extortion of traders.
              11. 0
                4 October 2021 10: 12
                Do you work as a manager yourself and pay taxes and fees? Or have you heard it somewhere ??
                Stop writing what you don’t understand.
                Well, or write that an individual can return personal income tax for a whole list of expenditure items, that for MHI contributions he receives free medical assistance, including hospitalization and operations (including his children), which, thanks to the FSS contribution, women, incl. h receive maternity payments, there is no point in commenting about the pension at all - everything is already clear. And VAT ". 15% averaged" is just ridiculous) And you have forgotten the income tax.
                Damn, where does the money come from to educate children in kindergartens and schools, bridges for new roads, etc. etc.
                Excise taxes, etc. Oh oh oh! With the same success, you can write: ".. caraul barbers greyhound, include the purchase of new scissors in the cost of a haircut ..."
            2. +7
              3 October 2021 19: 57
              Quote: Rubi0
              And what tax was raised for the average citizen?

              Any additional tax on the manufacturer, supplier, trading structure, etc. the citizen reaches the additional price of the goods for which he pays.
          2. +10
            3 October 2021 18: 20
            Quote: Olkhovsky
            because naturally everyone goes into the shadows or closes the business. Simple truths for those familiar with economic theory.

            The simple truth is that the only department that works well is the tax one .. and you will not go into the shadows .. the system is built perfectly .. just not in favor of the citizens, unfortunately .. The business is closing .. the bulk of it hangs on the edge ..from credit to credit .. those who have access to long-term loans feel confident .. this is usually a big business .. it, in turn, grows and expands, turning into monopolies, monopolies kill competition and, as a result, rise in prices. what price they want .. and they will appoint .. chain stores do not want to make a markup of less than 50% .. 100% markup is the minimum the manufacturer should have in order to be afloat .. because the tax burden .. in general, some sur .. around .. I have a feeling that the state is run by oligarchs .. and Putin is their puppet ..
            1. -1
              3 October 2021 23: 21
              Quote: Svarog
              The simple truth is that the only agency that works well is the tax office.

              you are wrong, these just work very badly
            2. kig
              +4
              4 October 2021 03: 05
              Quote: Svarog
              I have a feeling that the state is run by oligarchs ... and Putin is their puppet ..

              It may very well be. Once Putin began by pinning down some of the oligarchs, the rest understood the rules of the game. A symbiosis has formed that suits everyone. And this is one of the reasons - and perhaps the main reason - why we have an irreplaceable president. But nothing lasts forever, and a new take-and-divide page is about to begin. Well, since we do not yet have a culture of painless transfer of power, as in the hostile West, we will have fun days. That is, years.
        3. +16
          3 October 2021 18: 12
          Quote: Rubi0
          or to deduct taxes 2-3 times more.

          And where are the contributions of those people who do not live up to retirement? But there are a lot of them.
          1. +3
            3 October 2021 19: 19
            Quote: Hyperion
            And where are the contributions of those people who do not live up to retirement? But there are a lot of them.

            And here relatives are obliged to "not click their beak" .... Lawyers explain:
            Nobody limited the right of the relatives of the deceased to receive part of the pension savings that was not used to pay the pension during the lifetime of the person. There are situations when PFR employees try to convince the heirs of the opposite, but in this case it is necessary to focus on the existing legislative framework, namely:
            • Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 711, which defines a strict procedure for the use of all savings stored in the PFR, including in cases when a citizen did not live to retire,
            • the law "On labor pensions", which establishes the right to receive the unspent part of pension savings by the heirs of the deceased,
            • Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation No. 710, which clearly regulates the rules for the disposal of funds that a person invests in the Pension Fund during his life.
            1. -5
              3 October 2021 22: 50
              Quote: svp67
              Nobody limited the right of the relatives of the deceased to receive part of the pension savings

              Does it concern the funded part or the insurance part?
            2. +4
              4 October 2021 00: 08
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Hyperion
              And where are the contributions of those people who do not live up to retirement? But there are a lot of them.

              And here relatives are obliged not to click their beak ...

              That is, the state plays poker with a citizen, trying to cheat? Well, they say, I'm sorry, I got screwed myself))))
              What the fuck is this? In decent places this is called a scam, actually ...
            3. -3
              4 October 2021 00: 48
              I took my funded part of my pension and was very sorry that I did not succumb to advertising from the state 12 / 000. They twisted their hands for 12000 - 4 years. Trust in the state, then, did not return after the privatization of deposits by Sberbank at the end of the USSR.
          2. -8
            3 October 2021 20: 28
            deductions of those people who do not live up to retirement are received by current pensioners
        4. +1
          5 October 2021 09: 49
          Quote: Rubi0
          So that the retirement age does not rise, it is necessary, as it were, to bring demographics to at least 0, so that there is 1 able-bodied person for 1 pensioner. This is, in fact, at least 2 children per family, and preferably 3, or deduct taxes 2-3 times more. Have you fulfilled this norm before the state? after all, the right to demand a decent pension also implies obligations.

          Have you ever thought that if the salary was normal, then more taxes would be collected?
        5. 0
          5 October 2021 11: 04
          Demography, as a rule, directly depends on the standard of living and on what the state is doing to stimulate the birth rate.We have allocated 10 thousand to school A with such fanfare, for example, in not the richest Poland, these 10 thousand (500 zlotys) are paid for each a child, regardless of family income, up to 18 years old, you will agree, the help is good, so in our regional center to find a job 25-27 thousand, this is good luck Well, with what joys the family will multiply.? Well, further along the chain, the aging of the population and. etc. one child will soon become the norm
        6. 0
          5 October 2021 15: 56
          Have you fulfilled this norm before the state?

          Has the state fulfilled its obligations to me? Didn't you leave me with a funded pension? Does it increase my real income? Fighting inflation?
          Even did not notice ...
          Then my obligations are only taxes, for the rest to the garden
      2. +2
        3 October 2021 17: 41
        Of course he is trying, that not a month, that new allowance or payments to families.
      3. +3
        3 October 2021 17: 48
        Quote: Troll
        The government is just trying to reduce social security by extending the retirement age.

        Yes, by increasing the number of different payments, especially for children ...
        Quote: Troll
        But people don't want to.

        They just refuse, we don’t need these handouts ... To be honest, I haven’t seen one like this yet.
      4. -1
        4 October 2021 10: 36
        The headline is not to blame.
        Preparations for the 2024 elections have just begun. Prepare the sleds in the summer.
        If the security forces are for whom it is necessary - the elections are in your pocket, regardless of the results of the elections.
        1. -2
          4 October 2021 14: 46
          Why did you decide that the security forces should be en masse against or for? Because of the 15 mowers? In civilian life, this is customary? did not require any photos with a checkmark and other fantasies of the inflamed brain of the oppota. And we can in the third, but maybe mostly people who have been serving for more than a dozen years, can compare what the army was like in the 90s, then at the beginning of 2000 -x, and what-now. And what do you think, will they go to vote for the narrow-minded, shouting about the reduction of the army and security forces in general? And in fairness it should be said that salaries (allowances), and the housing situation, combat training, and the supply of troops and other security officials, have improved over the years. hi There are drawbacks, we live in Russia, but in general, in comparison with 2001 (the beginning of my career in the army), the situation is much better. hi
          1. +1
            4 October 2021 15: 02
            If you don't want to feed your army ........
            If you don't want to feed your security officials .........
            Security officials are bought by salaries and benefits in the same way that ALL OTHER are bought.
            And what do the security forces produce? That's right, some costs and expenses.
            And who are the security forces protecting? That's right, power.
            In our case, a thieving, oligarchic and insatiable government.
            What the authorities need to do to maintain their power. That's right, buy security officials. And there is no need to build an innocent virginity. As ordered, you will vote. Whom they say, you will take care of with clubs.
            I do not like. Me too.
            1. -6
              4 October 2021 15: 08
              An ordinary liar from the cohort of liberda, shouting about guns instead of butter! hiIf you are bought for a pittance or more, then you should not measure by yourself those whom you are simply unworthy of! hi
              1. +2
                4 October 2021 15: 13
                Yes Yes.
                Who shouts loudest "stop thief"?
            2. -2
              4 October 2021 15: 18
              Would you like to discuss the maintenance of the army of useless deputies and officials, their pensions and benefits ("earned" in armchairs)? It is not written in the manual, or what? But it is the officials who make the very decisions on which you are paid and on which you live. A taboo for you, the Russian military is to blame for all your failures, this is PPC! hi
              1. +2
                4 October 2021 15: 27
                In one comment above, I wrote about power. Reread.
                I didn’t blame the military for any failures, don’t lie.
                I just mean that in the new budget, it is the officials who increase the incomes and compensations for the siloviki. Not for workers, not for pensioners, not for medicine, not for the economy, but for the security forces.
                What is this if not bribery before the upcoming elections?
                1. -4
                  4 October 2021 15: 40
                  Read about the decreasing coefficient of pensions for military pensioners. And do not groan that teachers (my father is a teacher and I are well aware of the distribution of finances and hours at school) and doctors were taken away to give to the military, you are too far from the army to know the true state of affairs and the attitude to bureaucrats. They would (bureaucrats) would like to take away more, but someone does not allow them.
                  1. +2
                    4 October 2021 15: 46
                    You are trying to ascribe to me many non-existent merits, for example, liberalism.
                    I just treat the military without piety.
                    Millions of security officials swore the oath to the USSR, but the USSR did not.
                    But they swore to give their lives for the Soviet Motherland.
                    The true attitude of the military towards bureaucrats does not cancel the desire of bureaucrats to bribe the military. You don't need everyone. You can only generals.
      5. 0
        5 October 2021 13: 32
        And for you social services, these are only pensions, well then oh and oh
    2. +16
      3 October 2021 16: 38
      Quote: Rubi0
      A strange headline, why not write that spending on Sotsialka is 2 times higher than spending on defense and economic development. Maybe then at least people think that it's time to work, and not be dependent

      Indeed, all these pensioners, disabled people, children are only dependents around. Drive everyone into the fields and mines - let them work to death. And to cancel pensions.
      1. +10
        3 October 2021 17: 34
        Well, so the thesis that if we do not feed and arm our army, then we will do it with a foreign army is now even more relevant hi
        1. 0
          3 October 2021 18: 22
          Thrifty, some cannot explain this, people think that RF is not needed by anyone for nothing, and the government is catching up terribly so that the people do not think to buzz. And the fact that the NATO bases are set up so it is quite DIFFERENT. The fact that the elite of the same America more than once hinted openly that Russia does not rightfully own what is owned by this OTHER.
        2. -2
          3 October 2021 20: 17
          Quote: Thrifty
          that if we do not feed and arm our army, then we will do it with a foreign army

          Soon there will be no one to feed with such a rate of population decline. But there will be tanks. Tens of thousands of tanks helped a lot to keep the USSR from falling apart.
          1. -1
            4 October 2021 07: 01
            Asians are successfully replacing the indigenous population
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. 0
            5 October 2021 13: 35
            How many children do you have? Just don't talk about poverty to rage, in the Russian Empire, let's say, they lived worse, but they raged many times more, and now the answer is, I want to live, but the children are a burden, so something like that
            1. -1
              5 October 2021 20: 15
              Quote: Magnat231
              Just don't talk about poverty to rage, in the Russian Empire, let's say, they lived worse, but they raged many times more

              Tell for what reason in the Republic of Ingushetia gave birth more often? And not even in the entire Republic of Ingushetia, but in its peasant part.
              Infant mortality, lack of health care and an urgent need to get as many hands as possible. Oh yes, let's add the complete lack of education among women and their actual powerlessness. Does not give birth, is not needed.
        3. +1
          5 October 2021 09: 57
          Quote: Thrifty
          Well, so the thesis that if we do not feed and arm our army, then we will do it with a foreign army is now even more relevant hi

          Are you not tired of quoting the thoughts of smart people? Can you think of something new? Although ..... "there is no money, but you are holding on", "you wanted the best, but it turned out as always" ......
    3. +1
      3 October 2021 16: 38
      Quote: Rubi0
      A strange headline, why not write that spending on Sotsialka is 2 times higher than spending on defense and economic development.

      Because the lion's share of the local contingent reads only headlines, and thus it will have the opportunity to once again go into hatred of the powers that be.
      1. +1
        3 October 2021 20: 20
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Because the lion's share of the local contingent reads only headlines, and thus it will have the opportunity to once again go into hatred of the powers that be.

        Well, you, of course, delve into letter-by-letter, you are our analyst. laughing
        1. +1
          4 October 2021 07: 48
          I have repeatedly and quite clearly made it clear that I consider you to have achieved nothing in life, useless and spiteful idle talk.
          Do not Wright me. Stretch yourself and convince yourself that I do not exist for you.
          1. +3
            4 October 2021 09: 45
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            I have repeatedly and quite clearly made it clear that I consider you to have achieved nothing in life, useless and spiteful idle talk.
            Do not Wright me. Stretch yourself and convince yourself that I do not exist for you.

            Your behavior is like a lame but "sensitive pepiniere" (Ash is right).
            No, no, now finish your bowl of poison, which you yourself opened! Yes laughing
    4. +2
      3 October 2021 16: 41
      Quote: Rubi0
      Maybe then at least people think that it's time to work, and not be dependent

      You have a strange comment .. or is it sarcasm or game .. I still don't understand ..
      Do you want to say that the citizens of the Russian Federation are sitting on the sovereign's neck? That they cut a little from them?
      .. what exactly is included in the expenditures on the defense industry, social services .. I read that social services will be cut by 15%, and the costs of the national guard will be increased by 17% .. is the national guard defense?
      1. 0
        3 October 2021 16: 59
        Is the Rosguard defense?

        Exactly. Protection and defense of stolen goods.
        1. -2
          3 October 2021 21: 47
          Quote: prior
          Exactly. Protection and defense of stolen goods.

          And, of course, you, not ROSGVARD, guard especially important and dangerous objects. All nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power plants, hazardous chemical production, nuclear facilities, etc. - this is all the concern of the WG.
          Therefore, "grind with your tongue, do not carry bags" (c), dear. Yes
          1. -1
            4 October 2021 00: 16
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            And of course you, and not the ROSGVARD, guard especially important and dangerous objects.

            Read Federal Law No. 77 "On Departmental Security", and do not forget the FSO. Then write. hi
            1. +1
              4 October 2021 00: 24
              Quote: fif21
              Read it .... Then write.
              And you might as well read this:
              In accordance with article 2 of the Federal Law of 03.07.2016 N 226-FZ "On the troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation", the main tasks are:

              1.participation in the protection of public order, ensuring public safety;
              2. protection of important state facilities, special cargo, structures on communications in accordance with the lists approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
              3. participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism;
              participation in ensuring regimes of emergency, martial law, the legal regime of counter-terrorism operations;
              4. participation in the territorial defense of the Russian Federation;
              5. rendering assistance to the border authorities of the federal security service in the protection of the state border of the Russian Federation;
              6.Federal state control (supervision) over compliance with the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of arms trafficking and in the field of private security and private detective activities, as well as ensuring the safety of objects of the fuel and energy complex, for the activities of the security units of legal entities with special statutory tasks and departmental security units;
              7. protection of especially important and sensitive facilities, facilities subject to mandatory protection by the troops of the National Guard, in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, protection of property of individuals and legal entities under contracts;
              8. ensuring, by the decision of the President of the Russian Federation, the security of the highest officials of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation (heads of the supreme executive bodies of state power of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation) and other persons.
              1. -3
                4 October 2021 00: 40
                Non-departmental security with its functions (watchman) has been transferred to the WG, clause 6 Control! But not security. And the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, clause 7 is very modest. hi
                1. +1
                  5 October 2021 06: 44
                  Quote: fif21
                  But not security.

                  Special units for the protection of important objects and sensitive cargo of the Interior Ministry of Internal Affairs have always guarded the nucleus.
                2. -1
                  5 October 2021 06: 46
                  Don't be smart if you don't know. The boa constrictor wrote to you correctly, especially important strategic objects are guarded by the FSVNG. Earlier, the Interior Ministry had a separate department for the protection of especially important facilities, for example, nuclear power plants. This functionality was transferred to FSVNG.
                  1. 0
                    5 October 2021 12: 37
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Earlier, the Interior Ministry had a separate department for the protection of especially important facilities, for example, nuclear power plants.

                    NPP, ZATO and now are guarded by the Russian Guard. But he also wrote a noose about the protection of hydroelectric power plants and chemical production, which is not true. Many objects previously protected by the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs have been transferred to other departments, VO (departmental security) guards the objects of the fuel and energy complex (Rosneft, Gazprom, Transneft .....), Roskosmos, Russian Railways, the protection of zones - the Federal Penitentiary Service. Or am I wrong? hi
          2. +1
            4 October 2021 00: 34
            That is, the private property of the oligarchs is protected at the expense of the budget, that is, our taxes?
            Well settled down. And with batons and stun guns, whom were the Rosguards going to drive away from the nuclear power plant, wild boars and bears?
            By the way, why is this .... got the proud name of the Guard? Did they defeat the enemy in fierce battles with amazing courage and courage and serve as an example for future generations?
            For what merits? Who knows?
            For dispersing demonstrators?
      2. -4
        3 October 2021 17: 16
        Notice I did not write that someone is sitting on the neck. It's just strange to wait for something else from the state when the main item of expenditure is Social Security, pensions, payments, additional payments and other benefits. Do you know examples of countries where Sotsialka is 2 times more than the military budget?
        1. -3
          3 October 2021 17: 24
          Quote: Rubi0
          Notice I did not write that someone is sitting on the neck. It's just strange to wait for something else from the state

          Of course, why wait for something from him (the state) .. it’s not the state for the people .. but the people for the state .. So what do you think? And who is the state?
          Do you know examples of countries where Sotsialka is 2 times more than the military budget?

          I know examples where the standard of living is significantly ... several times higher than in the richest country in the world .. we are now at the level of African countries in this list .. and some of them are even higher than ours ..
          Well, if we are talking about social spending ... then let's look at the table, from GDP .. Russia is there, as always in the most shameful place ..

          https://studwood.ru/1310196/finansy/sravnitelnyy_analiz_rashodov_byudzheta_drugih_stran
          1. +10
            3 October 2021 17: 32
            I was not lazy and went to your source. 2006 data, are you serious? wassat You missed so 15 years, and the change in the vector of the budget from military to social in the 2010s.
            1. -11
              3 October 2021 17: 38
              Quote: Rubi0
              I was not lazy and went to your source. 2006 data, are you serious? wassat You missed so 15 years, and the change in the vector of the budget from military to social in the 2010s.

              And what, in comparison with 2006, has everything changed a lot? Are you seriously? I think in 2006 everything was much better .. And why should I look for something for you .. look for yourself, do not be lazy if you want to know the truth .. after going out on the street you can’t see it .. Do you live in Paris?
              1. +1
                3 October 2021 20: 31
                well, most likely you need to go outside, in comparison with 2006, a lot of things have changed for the better
                1. -5
                  3 October 2021 20: 35
                  Quote: Janerobot
                  well, most likely you need to go outside, in comparison with 2006, a lot of things have changed for the better

                  What exactly?
                  1. +1
                    3 October 2021 20: 40
                    the same roads, for example, in 2006, the discs bent constantly, the hodovka was shaken up once every six months, and now I have forgotten about such a problem
                    1. -3
                      3 October 2021 20: 45
                      Quote: Janerobot
                      the same roads, for example, in 2006, the discs bent constantly, the hodovka was shaken up once every six months, and now I have forgotten about such a problem

                      Well, yes ... even if they were bent when the platons, taxes ... gasoline ... everywhere I pay ... and that for my money I still have to drive on dead roads .. You credit the authorities with what they are obliged to do .. just because citizens pay .. and even how much taxpayers' money was stolen on the roads .. no one counts .. and yes .. the roads are far from being made, and the disks are still bending .. only about federal highways can we say that the norms .. otherwise, little has changed .. and this is in 20 years .. 20 years even roads cannot be made ..
                      1. +1
                        3 October 2021 20: 52
                        I did not write about the merits of the authorities, you just wrote what changes, I cited roads as an example, these are the same changes,
                        the city of engels has been very upset since then
                      2. 0
                        4 October 2021 05: 41
                        and salaries have changed as well as roads?
                        it is not surprising that the edro won. there is no need to falsify sales with such citizens. column. we start with salary current average in the Russian Federation of 51 tr. we don’t write, we don’t make people laugh.
                        list come on, don't be a balabol
                      3. +1
                        4 October 2021 08: 08
                        open the site made by us and see, on YouTube there is a site where changes in cities are well shown (studio positivich, RBS)
                      4. +2
                        4 October 2021 21: 11
                        They are not interested.
                      5. 0
                        4 October 2021 22: 01
                        miracle ... in my Chelyabinsk they sell nails and self-tapping screws from China. Why are you bothering me with websites if I all the time working on a construction site use some of the materials and almost one hundred% of the tools from other countries. How many jeans do we produce? knitwear? boots and sneakers? utensils and those imported in a large volume .. why do you produce there all the time? I do not follow the links, I call the enterprises and talk about the products, about the quality, about the price and dealer volumes. I am a practitioner, not a video dreamer
                      6. 0
                        5 October 2021 20: 37
                        the commentator above asked to bring the changes for the better, I gave an example, then you write what else besides roads, I brought you a site where changes are shown not only roads
                        now you are talking about some kind of nonsense about nails, you at least read and then write
                        and where are we to ordinary people before you practitioners who know everything
                        as an example: the Ural "NLMK-Metiz" produces 885 types of various fasteners. self-tapping screws 10 thousand tons per year
                      7. 0
                        5 October 2021 20: 42
                        I don’t care the site. I’m already bored with examples like you give examples. You are all poking into a blizzard single. Nonsense nails from China and self-tapping screws, and furniture from Ikea in Chelyabinsk !!! you drove your head off? don’t understand? can you still start pipes in Chelyabinsk from China to import? although they are already importing thin-walled chrome-plated ones for the assembly of commercial equipment. I would shoot people like you
                        all is well beautiful marquise and giraffe big. only singing praises, but in real life the country is rolling into a hole, with blood for the future .. sorry you can't talk to you about dad and mom.
                      8. 0
                        5 October 2021 20: 56
                        your head is not okay, maybe a nail on an x-ray
                        on the Internet we are all heroes, you want to shoot, but they will also want to shoot at you
                        and where did I write that everything is fine?
                        well, so many people would talk to you by dad and mom
                      9. 0
                        5 October 2021 21: 04
                        I shot in the 90s, and polovil in my direction. do you want to scare anyone? imported by millions of Gaster, and you continue to carry the positive to the masses. Go to the site of Saturn, construction base No. 1, technical support, fastening arsenal, etc. and see where your NLMK metiz is ... you smoked chtol? with Vadik together ...
              2. 0
                5 October 2021 06: 49
                Why don't you bring 1996, when your guru has passed his voters (several tens of millions) and went to bed under the EBN in exchange for the "deputy ration"?
          2. +2
            3 October 2021 18: 17
            It turns out somehow strange, everyone says that the people are poor (and have already become impoverished) and they even cite statistics. And for some reason, the orders of the new i-background model have whitewashed all the records for the previous models ... Are there any foreigners who come to us to buy? As soon as the border to some Turkey is opened, you cannot buy a ticket there in a week - everything is sold out. But it is not the elite that rests in Turkish resorts.
            I want the standard of living of all Russian people to be much higher. But I don't see poverty around me ... I have nothing to do with the authorities / elite. And where I see poverty, I also see alcoholism / drug addiction / gambling, etc. What can you expect here? Naturally, I'm not talking about those cases where people really got into a difficult situation. Suddenly they lost all property, ability to work, breadwinner, etc.
          3. +10
            3 October 2021 20: 02
            If you go to the main page using your link ... what then half of the headings are in Ukrainian ... pale ...
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. -10
              3 October 2021 20: 05
              Quote: Evil543
              If you go to the main page using your link ... what then half of the headings are in Ukrainian ... pale ...

              Yeah .. I'm Ukrainian shpiyon .. you split me .. run for a medal
              1. +6
                3 October 2021 20: 39
                Statement of facts, and only request I don’t know ... I don’t inject ... I won’t run
                hi
        2. -1
          3 October 2021 17: 46
          Quote: Rubi0
          Do you know examples of countries where Sotsialka is 2 times more than the military budget?

          And other countries do not need to spend money from the budget on social services in such an amount. At least pensions are paid there not from the state budget.
        3. +12
          3 October 2021 17: 54
          Do you know examples of countries where Sotsialka is 2 times more than the military budget?


          For the beginning, probably absolutely all EU countries. And here, in Bulgaria, the social sector exceeds the military budget more than five times.
          1. 0
            5 October 2021 06: 59
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            Do you know examples of countries where Sotsialka is 2 times more than the military budget?


            For the beginning, probably absolutely all EU countries. And here, in Bulgaria, the social sector exceeds the military budget more than five times.
            I will say more - Bulgaria can stop spending money on military needs altogether ... Nobody needs it for nothing from its neighbors ...
        4. +7
          3 October 2021 19: 01
          Quote: Rubi0
          Notice I did not write that someone is sitting on the neck. It's just strange to wait for something else from the state when the main item of expenditure is Social Security, pensions, payments, additional payments and other benefits. Do you know examples of countries where Sotsialka is 2 times more than the military budget?

          Italy. 2018 Pensions and social benefits - € 293 billion 16,6% of GDP
          Military spending - 25 billion euros, 1,4% of GDP.
          Healthcare - 118 billion euros
        5. +2
          3 October 2021 20: 25
          Quote: Rubi0
          It's just strange to wait for something else from the state when the main item of expenditure is Social Security, pensions, payments, additional payments and other benefits.

          Aha! Pensions must be paid by the Pension Fund, but only it is periodically plundered.
          Putin monetized benefits at the dawn of his reign.
          Parents pay for children / s on a monthly basis.
          Explain what kind of additional payments, payments you are talking about, so that it becomes clear where the hell is the money?
      3. +1
        3 October 2021 17: 56
        Rosgvardia, this is 350 bayonets, in contrast to the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation - 000.
        Maybe if the so-called. "Non-state pension funds", which the head of state advertised in such a way, were not plundered, the social burden on the budget would not be so high?
        If the conditional Petrov and Boshirov were engaged in the search and return of these fugitives with stolen PERSONAL savings of the people ... would it be more correct?
        And the headline provokes dissatisfaction with the strengthening of the defense capability.
        It is not right .
        1. +2
          3 October 2021 22: 10
          You do not take into account that land units and subunits on the territory of the Northern Fleet (it is equated to a district), Crimea and the Kaliningrad region are not included in the Ground Forces. We have a separate branch of the Airborne Forces, although in other countries they are considered part of the ground forces. On the other hand, one hundred thousand in Rosgvardia falls on non-departmental security. Plus, take into account the number of OMON and SOBR, which are, in fact, police structures.
          1. -1
            3 October 2021 22: 44
            Quote: Sergej1972
            You do not take into account that land units and subunits on the territory of the Northern Fleet (it is equated to a district), Crimea and the Kaliningrad region are not included in the Ground Forces.

            If this is so, then everything is not so hopeless - in the Crimea and Kaliningrad, the corps is deployed, well, but I am aware of the Airborne Forces.
        2. The comment was deleted.
      4. -4
        3 October 2021 18: 06
        Quote: Svarog
        Do you want to say that the citizens of the Russian Federation are sitting on the sovereign's neck?

        30% do not pay taxes at all. Because of them, the retirement age is being raised. (((
        1. -2
          3 October 2021 18: 14
          Quote: ism_ek
          30% do not pay taxes at all. Because of them, the retirement age is being raised. (((

          Nonsense ... complete nonsense .. now it is impossible not to pay taxes .. only homeless people can afford such a luxury .. Do you want to say that we have 30% homeless people?
          1. 0
            4 October 2021 05: 50
            and even homeless people pay them. that either by buying, they pay vat, plato, excise taxes on fuel, and a bunch of indirect ones. only from the wage fund they do not pay and from property
          2. 0
            5 October 2021 07: 05
            Quote: Svarog
            Nonsense ... complete nonsense .. now it is impossible not to pay taxes .. only homeless people can afford such a luxury .. Do you want to say that we have 30% homeless people?

            Legally much more ... brother-in-law works as a driver, he is paid officially 4600 - 1/4 of the stake, the rest 60 in cash ...
            They have 600 workers in the company.
        2. +4
          3 October 2021 20: 27
          Quote: ism_ek
          30% do not pay taxes at all

          They live in the taiga and don't buy anything? Have you forgotten VAT at 20%?
        3. +1
          3 October 2021 20: 33
          Quote: ism_ek
          30% do not pay taxes at all. Because of them, the retirement age is being raised. (((

          What????????
          Uncle, and you are generally aware that the lion's share of the budget is VAT, personal income tax and other taxes from individuals. persons?
          Further, excise taxes on tobacco, alcohol and gasoline where do they go ???
          Before accusing the population of tax evasion, you first ask how monopoly state corporations get away / are exempt from taxes.
          And also find out how the oltgarhat pays taxes, which sells subsoil through offshores !!!

          If you collect all the money stolen during the year, then the population can generally be exempted from taxes and from payments for housing and communal services, including!
          1. -3
            3 October 2021 20: 45
            well, if you live in reality, then as you write it will not work
            do not smoke
            the main budget income comes from taxes on oil and gas sales
            1. -1
              3 October 2021 21: 06
              Quote: Janerobot
              well, if you live in reality, then as you write it will not work
              do not smoke
              the main budget income comes from taxes on oil and gas sales

              Uh-huh, how! Why are you so naive and dense? You will remember forever, there is NO ball under the thimbles !!!
              I’m so offhand for you, maybe it will bring you to a sense of reality, I’ll give you an example.
              Last year, Gassprom reported on a certain volume of gas supplies to the FRG, and the FRG, in turn, reported on the receipt of a volume of 20% more! Karl! How does it work? Charles?
              There is also a Finnish citizen, gr-in Timchenko, ask how and when he became a billionaire.
              1. 0
                3 October 2021 21: 16
                it seems to me that this is, as usual, a fictional story, there is where to read about it
                1. -3
                  3 October 2021 21: 25
                  Quote: Janerobot
                  it seems to me that this is, as usual, a fictional story, there is where to read about it

                  When it seems that priests tell you to be baptized Yes Attack then, you have your fingers, the keyboard too, so go for it, googling to help.
                  Until you yourself "brighten", do not look, do not comprehend, do not compare, do not find cause-and-effect relationships, no one will help you. hi
          2. 0
            5 October 2021 07: 09
            Quote: Stroporez
            the lion's share of the budget is VAT, personal income tax and other taxes from individuals. persons?

            Ask about the structure of budget receipts first ...
            60% is provided by the FCS, of which the bulk of export duties on hydrocarbons.
            Tax gives less than 20% of the budget - and this is not only physicists, but mostly yuriki
        4. 0
          3 October 2021 20: 34
          well, I think 30% is bullshit, but many get 15000 officially, and the rest is in an envelope
        5. +1
          5 October 2021 17: 46
          30% do not pay taxes at all. Because of them, the retirement age is being raised. (((

          Forgive me, but who squeezed them into the shadows with their tax policy? Is it not "our" honorable authority? Who refuses to introduce a progressive scale of taxation on the rich, but fights the poor in full and what kind of tax policy is this when the poorer a person the more taxes he pays, and the richer the less.
    5. +17
      3 October 2021 17: 17
      Dependents, we have only the highest circles. They are exactly on the support of the people.
    6. 0
      3 October 2021 17: 22
      A GENERAL trend - there are bets on MODERN weapons.
      Yes, the allies in the CSTO (and not only) need to be secured somehow, mainly in the form of loans, which are often forgiven
      1. -1
        3 October 2021 20: 36
        well, loans are taken from banks and invested in production, goes to the salaries of workers
    7. +4
      3 October 2021 17: 39
      Quote: Rubi0
      Maybe then at least people think that it's time to work, and not be dependent

      Are you people over 60-65 years old?
      Well, yes, they are already a quarter of the country's population, but their only fault is that they lived to retire,
      1. 0
        3 October 2021 20: 39
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Are you people over 60-65 years old?
        Well, yes, they are already a quarter of the country's population, but their only fault is that they lived to retire,

        So after 45, the problems are not frail ..
    8. +1
      3 October 2021 19: 15
      "Spending on the economy" - sounds silly, but greedy.
      More hype to god of hype.
    9. +3
      3 October 2021 22: 24
      As a theme, they started playing .. In the Land of money, at least eat your seat, especially if you estimate the exhaust with rising prices for gas, metal, timber and much more that have risen in price at times .. and this is not talking about hundreds of billions in a pod, and the nurse is oil close to 80 when calculating at 42 .. So there is a lot of money, but the main problem is that they are not allowed to dispose of them .. We will solve this much will become easier.
    10. The comment was deleted.
    11. The comment was deleted.
  2. -3
    3 October 2021 16: 36
    Military spending in the Russian military budget will overtake economic spending

    Pfff ....
    Have you seen the current raw material prices? There are too many people willing to take them from Russia for free if there is no army.
    1. +1
      3 October 2021 16: 42
      Quote: lucul
      if there is no army.

      That is nothing, from the word AT ALL will not be.
      1. -4
        3 October 2021 17: 02
        Quote: Gardener91
        Quote: lucul
        if there is no army.

        That is nothing, from the word AT ALL will not be.

        Who won't have anything?
    2. -5
      3 October 2021 16: 51
      Quote: lucul
      Have you seen the current raw material prices? There are too many people willing to take them from Russia for free if there is no army.

      Take away from Russia? This is somehow vague .. It is necessary to ask a question .. who owns the raw materials and in general everything in the Russian Federation .. Then there will be an exact answer from whom to take it. And therefore, the army now defends the interests of the one to whom it all belongs .. Personally, I have nothing from raw materials and natural resources .. in general .. well, nothing at all .. and it would be fine if I still would not pay all kinds of taxes .. duties .. fines ..
      1. +1
        3 October 2021 16: 57
        Personally, I have nothing from raw materials and natural resources ... in general ... well, nothing at all

        It reminds me of something .... oh yeah, the monologue of a 16 year old child that he does not receive (and did not receive) anything from his parents. After all, Abramovich's son receives much more from his parents than he does.
        It's the same with you.
        1. -7
          3 October 2021 17: 01
          Quote: lucul
          Personally, I have nothing from raw materials and natural resources ... in general ... well, nothing at all

          Something that reminds me of .... oh yes, a 16 year old child's monologue that he does not receive (and did not receive) anything from his parents. After all, Abramovich's son receives much more from his parents than he does.
          It's the same with you.

          Rather, you have .. because only a child cannot distinguish a lie from the truth because he is naive .. but you are not a child .. which means either an alternatively gifted person, or a troll .. since I have known on the site for a long time that a troll tongue
          1. -12
            3 October 2021 17: 04
            or a troll .. since I know on the site for a long time that a troll

            Don't like the truth? )))
            And do not thank, you yourself are not able to realize it, usually wisdom comes with age, but it happens that old age comes alone))))
            1. -1
              3 October 2021 17: 53
              Our budget is tricky, it counts only the money that the state has earned or will earn. Oligarchs, we do not forget strictly with taxes, let them invest more in the development of their factories, newspapers and steamers. The taxable base increases. And the coolest thing is this budget rule , oil was counted at $ 44 per barrel. That's where the government got the money, for payments to parents with many children, retirees of all stripes and loans to friends. in history we were unlucky with our neighbors, it's good when they kill each other, and sometimes they have the audacity to unite against us. With 2% for defense, we wouldn't have a tyrnet. Arbeiten 14 hours a day. hi
      2. 0
        3 October 2021 17: 07
        Quote: Svarog
        Personally, I have nothing from raw materials and natural resources ... in general ... well, nothing at all ..

        Of course you do. The enterprises of the "blue cherry" pay taxes to the budget on profits and property, while filling the budget, from which you are paid social services and develop the country's infrastructure ...
        and I wouldn’t pay all kinds of taxes .. duties .. fines ..

        I personally do not force you to do this, only now I am afraid of the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation and the FSSP of the Russian Federation can get angry and include punitive measures ... show an example of freedom from paying taxes, fees, duties ... and good and evil members of the forum will look at it from the outside ...
        It is not clear what the fines have dragged into, because this is a sanction measure for violating the current legislation, and duties are payment for services provided by the state ... it is a sin to "turn on stupid" in old age ....
        1. -6
          3 October 2021 17: 09
          Quote: Lara Croft
          from which you are paid social services and develop the country's infrastructure ...

          Who do you want? They don't pay me anything .. nothing at all .. they just cut their hair ..
          I personally do not force you to do this, only now I am afraid of the Federal Tax Service of the Russian Federation and the FSSP of the Russian Federation can get angry and turn on punitive measures.... show an example of freedom from paying taxes, fees, duties ... and good and evil members of the forum will look at it from the outside ...

          And I personally did not communicate with you .. where did you come from?
          It is not clear what the fines have dragged into, this is sanction measure

          Yes, continuous punitive and sanctioning measures .. if there is a stick, there must be a carrot .. otherwise, sooner or later the stick will be shoved to someone and somewhere .. And where are the gingerbread?
          1. -2
            4 October 2021 08: 45
            Quote: Svarog
            Where are the gingerbread?

            The gingerbread lies in the fact that you still haven't put anything anywhere .... by the way, fines can now be sent directly to the Russian MAIL ... pay ....
            Better think about how you would have lived if there were no blue cherry enterprises in the Russian Federation ... now they would be gnawing a rubber gingerbread ...
        2. +2
          4 October 2021 01: 06
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Quote: Svarog
          Personally, I have nothing from raw materials and natural resources ... in general ... well, nothing at all ..

          Of course you do. Blue-cherry enterprises pay taxes to the budget on profits and property, while filling the budget, from which they pay you social services and develop the country's infrastructure ...

          Come on, our raw materials companies not only fill the budget, but also scoop up a huge spoon from it. It is planned to spend only on the exploration of new oil and gas fields in the Arctic from the budget more than $ 100 billion in the next few years. And this is only oil and gas, and only in the Arctic.
          And also the cost of railway infrastructure, expansion of the throughput capacity of ports and so on, oil and gas pipelines. So the money paid by our raw material companies to the budget is mostly returned to them ... from the budget. I'm not even talking about the trillions spent from the budget on the banksters.
          So your demagoguery is designed for ignorance and lack of information of people.
          An essentially parallel resource-based economy has been created, which gives almost nothing to the country, but gives a lot to the clinging crowd that has the audacity to call itself the "elite".
          Such an elite has a place in the trough.
    3. +7
      3 October 2021 17: 45
      Quote: lucul
      Military spending in the Russian military budget will overtake economic spending

      Pfff ....
      Have you seen the current raw material prices? There are too many people willing to take them from Russia for free if there is no army.

      Then take it not from Russia, but from a handful of real dependents.
    4. 0
      3 October 2021 20: 38
      Quote: lucul
      Have you seen the current raw material prices? There are too many people willing to take them from Russia for free if there is no army.

      And they are already handed out on dumping and even imposed, just buy.
      In addition, if you are broadcasting from Poland, then you probably have no idea that the mining sector of the Russian Federation does not belong to almost 80% of the Russian Federation.
      Remember, according to the laws of the Russian Federation, the subsoil ones in the earth supposedly belong to the people, and as soon as they were taken out of the bowels / pulled out, Duc they immediately belong to the miner.
  3. +5
    3 October 2021 17: 00
    Quote: Svarog

    Personally, I don’t have anything from raw materials and natural resources .. in general .. well, nothing at all .. and it’s okay I wouldn’t pay all kinds of taxes .. duties .. fines ..
    100 has already passed, you can again take away and divide.
  4. +2
    3 October 2021 17: 22
    It’s time to understand for a long time that if defense spending is insufficient, then there may not be any spending on the economy at all, like those of our neighbors.
  5. +11
    3 October 2021 17: 29
    Why is cheese boron?
    The capitalist state, the ruling class, RICH ... you can not talk about social justice.
    BUT, in the current paradigm, the state fulfills almost all social assignments / duties that must be fulfilled ... another question, HOW DOES IT FULFILL THEM ??? Whose interests does it protect? And then we return to what state we have now and it is useless to argue further ... it is worth considering whether it is time to UNITE and defend their interests in a legal way, and if it does not work out to start ... double, arrange efforts to defend our own interests!
    Although, you can also read textbooks, those that were written by the ancestors on a given topic. Very useful knowledge, believe me.
    PS ... The army is needed, strong, modern, well-armed !!! In such a world we live, not around .... not calm, in short.
    1. +5
      3 October 2021 18: 09
      And then we return to what state we have now and it is useless to argue further ... it is worth considering whether it is time to UNITE and defend their interests in a legal way, and if it does not work out to start ... redouble, arrange efforts to defend our own interests!

      Victor, no one will allow to unite .. and even more so to defend their interests .. Everyone who did it, either under investigation, or imprisoned, or reborn ..
      Here one guy gave a lift .. he put forward the idea that it is necessary to unite and go somewhere to the Urals, to the taiga and build our own society, our own state .. we are supposedly a federation .. And those who are tired of living in this thieves' chaos can always go to the community .. which, when it gets on its feet, will turn into a city, and later into a metropolis .. The guy is young .. but there is something in this idea .. Although of course it is fantastic ..
      In general, I have been taxing for the third month already .. I have not yet met a single defense of the authorities .. but hatred pours through one ..
      1. +6
        3 October 2021 18: 44
        Quote: Svarog
        Victor, no one will let you unite

        Why should you ask someone?
        This is the first time I hear about it ...
        I will add on my own, no offense .... THIS IS A DEFINITION.
        Quote: Svarog
        you need to unite and go somewhere to the Urals

        To go to the "partisans" EARLY, not practical, not clever, for objective reasons.
        Quote: Svarog
        And those who are tired of living in this thieves' lawlessness can always go to the community ... which, when it gets on its feet, will turn into a city, and later into a metropolis ...

        There are a lot of plans, BUT, this has already happened! This is RAKE !!!
        I can roll it out on the shelves myself, but I recommend reading the literature ... you can read the works of our classics, there is a lot of very useful information on this issue as well.
        Quote: Svarog
        The guy is young .. but there is something in this idea.

        He should read the classics, LEARN and not reinvent the wheel until he has enough knowledge and experience to invent an antigrav flyer, for example.
        Quote: Svarog
        I have not yet met a single defense of the authorities ... but hatred pours through one ..

        I met, listened, argued with such ... you need to understand the main thing, just not to love, it is not a fact that in the elections the lesser, the known, the best of the same and according to other similar criteria will be chosen, incl. like a refrigerator!
        Those who, due to their principled position, do not choose the current ones, not the majority ... this is a fact.
        And the indifferent, to attach somewhere, is an empty matter ... they themselves were excluded from social processes.
        1. +3
          3 October 2021 19: 05
          Why should you ask someone?
          This is the first time I hear about it ...
          I will add on my own, no offense .... THIS IS A DEFINITION.

          No offense .. excuse .. maybe so .. But depending on what kind of unification we are talking about .. if you just… and the power to curse .. then please .. But if you act .. then it is much more difficult to unite .. or you will have to unite with people you do not know, and among them there will certainly be Judas ..
          It's over, if you are ready to put everything on the line, then yes .. no problem, but putting everything on the line and leaving without starting the game .. this is at least recklessness .. So the unification process is not as simple as it might seem. Even trade unions, in fact, do not exist .. I have in view of the essence of why they were really created .. although it would seem just to defend the rights of workers .. But where are they .. right?

          To go to the "partisans" EARLY, not practical, not clever, for objective reasons.

          It's not about the partisans ... talking about your state ... the state within the state ... only in this I see the unreality of the idea ...
          He should read the classics, LEARN and not reinvent the wheel until he has enough knowledge and experience to invent an antigrav flyer, for example.

          Classics certainly .. classics .. but modern technologies turn them into classics.
          And the indifferent, to attach somewhere, is an empty matter ... they themselves were excluded from social processes.

          Yes ... unfortunately there are enough of them ...
          1. +2
            3 October 2021 19: 36
            Quote: Svarog
            But if you act .. then it is much more difficult to unite.

            Yes, it has always been so.
            Quote: Svarog
            It's over, if I'm ready to put everything on the line, then yes .. no problem

            Self-sacrifice is, of course, difficult ... but without it, no serious matter is complete.
            But again, according to the textbook, any business should develop .... according to the plan. And the plan for the mind should be drawn up in such a way that at the stage of formation it would not attract undue attention. Therefore, no rash actions ...
            In general, according to the textbook.
            Now, communication tools allow you to communicate with anyone, anywhere. There are no difficulties in this ...
            We are slowed down ... but what is slowing us down, all the same human vices as before! We raise them to the absolute, we cherish them ourselves, and from the side of the upper ones they are also stimulated.
            Quote: Svarog
            Classics, of course .. classics .. but modern technologies turn them just into classics
            ... And here you are in vain! Modern technologies allow using, modernizing everything that was invented before !!! Humanity, man, has not changed much ... all the same features, vices, Wishlist, accents have shifted, nothing more! All this is described by the classics, IN SCIENTIFIC WORKS!
            DIVIDE AND RULE!!!
            Has something changed over time?
            1. +2
              3 October 2021 19: 44
              Quote: rocket757
              vices, Wishlist, accents have moved, nothing more! All this is described by the classics, IN SCIENTIFIC WORKS!

              Vices, yes, they do not change ..
              Modern technologies allow using, modernizing everything that was invented before !!!

              In general, I agree again .. but then the question is who has these technologies cooler))
              But if we take into account that there is a plan .. then in general everything is realizable .. Why aren't there those who are ready to start? It seems there are a lot of dissatisfied people .. but no one is ready for the barricades ..
              1. +2
                3 October 2021 19: 59
                Quote: Svarog
                In general, I agree again .. but then the question is who has these technologies cooler))

                It is not shameful to learn from the opposite side!
                The main thing is that the information space is no longer someone's property! This gin has already escaped from the bottle, it remains to use what is.
                At the expense of the plan ... here, as they say, "Do you have a PLAN, Mr. Fix ???"
            2. +2
              3 October 2021 20: 05
              DIVIDE AND RULE

              Yes, Victor has been happening since ancient times, in, this trap continues to fall to this day
          2. +2
            3 October 2021 19: 57
            Quote: Svarog
            .. It's not about partisans .. talking about your state ..
            He should read the classics, LEARN and not reinvent the wheel until he has enough knowledge and experience to invent an antigrav flyer, for example.

            Classics certainly .. classics ... ..

            Someone on the net said --- where to start? From the union. By interests, hobbies .... Anyone will do for a start .... and then other associations, more serious ones, will turn out.
            Classics? Oh sure. After all, opponents of unification are learning how to prevent this, how to create an anonymous, invisible power. As if everything is by itself.
          3. -1
            3 October 2021 20: 31
            Quote: Svarog
            Even trade unions, in fact, do not exist .. I have in view of the essence of why they were really created .. although it would seem just to defend the rights of workers .. But where are they .. right?

            Trade unions will start to put pressure on workers when unrest breaks out. And if from the independent ... then this will not stop those in power, they will find ways to remove them. Belarus demonstrates this perfectly and has already experienced it by its own example.
            Best regards hi
            1. +1
              3 October 2021 20: 32
              Quote: Black5Raven
              Quote: Svarog
              Even trade unions, in fact, do not exist .. I have in view of the essence of why they were really created .. although it would seem just to defend the rights of workers .. But where are they .. right?

              Trade unions will start to put pressure on workers when unrest breaks out. And if from the independent ... then this will not stop those in power, they will find ways to remove them. Belarus demonstrates this perfectly and has already experienced it by its own example.
              Best regards hi

              Yes, I read it ... cleaned all of you .. hi
              1. +1
                3 October 2021 20: 43
                Quote: Svarog
                Yes, I read it ... cleaned all of you ..

                Not all and not all, but progress. The state trade union does not discourage layoffs and even encourages them. Independent trade unions (preserved only by miners, oil workers and a couple of industrial enterprises) are on the verge of liquidation, and their members are being removed. Independent? Well, it means that you will not pass the knowledge test on TB, you will leave your workplace uncleaned by accident, the tool will disappear suddenly.
                It comes to funny, hundreds and hundreds of workers have been dismissed, and now plans are burning and they will give more money for the brought employee.

                And what about the rest of the organizations? Soon there will be nothing left. What can we say if even the children's hospice, associations of Belarusian writers, language and folklorists are being liquidated.
                Scorched earth.
      2. +5
        3 October 2021 18: 50
        Quote: Svarog
        ..... Victor, no one will allow to unite .. and even more so to defend their interests .. Everyone who did it, either under investigation, or imprisoned, or reborn ..
        Here he gave a guy a lift .. he put forward the idea that it is necessary to unite and go somewhere to the Urals, to the taiga and build our own society, our own state ... we are supposedly a federation ...
        In general, I have been taxing for the third month already .. I have not yet met a single defense of the authorities .. but hatred pours through one ..
        Yes, they will probably hinder the unification. That was not why Soviet labor collectives and societies were destroyed. The removal brought further atomization. But, probably, the union should not start in a new place, but exactly where they live now
      3. -4
        3 October 2021 22: 17
        Passengers usually adjust to the driver. The taxi driver scolds the authorities, I also slightly scold. Another praises Putin, and I agree.)
        1. +1
          3 October 2021 22: 22
          Quote: Sergej1972
          Passengers usually adjust to the driver. The taxi driver scolds the authorities, I also slightly scold. Another praises Putin, and I agree.)

          The first to start a conversation is bad form .. people themselves start .. and sincerely seek support.
          1. +2
            4 October 2021 01: 06
            Quote: Svarog
            ..... The first to start a conversation is bad form .. people themselves start .. and sincerely seek support.
            hi Interestingly? I rarely get in a taxi alone ... (usually these trips are for work) ..... we continue the conversation we started, usually, often neutral, often about the city. Most taxi drivers listen with interest, it is clear that they want to participate. Often the driver joins the conversation. Two options, usually. Either he wants to learn something new for himself with interest, or he himself scolds the authorities (from the local and above, options) After all, the City of 3 Revolutions ...
    2. +3
      3 October 2021 18: 40
      Quote: rocket757
      Because of what ..... The army is needed, strong, modern, well-armed !!! In such a world we live, not around .... not calm, in short.
      Good evening, comrades! Napoleon is credited with such words
      A nation that does not want to feed its army will feed a stranger

      And this is constantly being confirmed. Otherwise it can not be.
      1. +2
        3 October 2021 18: 50
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Napoleon, a noticeable personality, left a trail in history ... we should look at our territory, our HISTORY and everything becomes clear, we NEED A POWERFUL ARMY. There is nothing more to add.
        Although ... there is something to add! We need a powerful economy and OUR PEOPLE !!!
        1. +3
          3 October 2021 19: 04
          For 30 years already another state is being built, moreover, non-brothers have been separated, we do not provide assistance to weak countries as it was under the USSR, but from this, savings are not visible ++++
          1. +1
            3 October 2021 19: 16
            There are many reasons why we have become weaker, but there remains the main reason why they are afraid to climb into us insolently ...
            I will not say that everything is correct, it is going on as usual, but there is hope that we will wake up, finally, we will make our life better.
            1. +3
              3 October 2021 19: 21
              Quote: rocket757
              ....... there is hope that we will wake up, finally, we will make our life better.
              people must come to an understanding, although there are people who resist this by different means.
              1. +2
                3 October 2021 19: 44
                Nothing lasts forever ... after stagnation, always, you have to wake up!
                Okay, if you woke up yourself, or even a big kick under
                ... you can wait.
                1. +3
                  3 October 2021 20: 09
                  Probably, after the kick, the need to act is realized faster
          2. -3
            3 October 2021 22: 03
            Already 30 years as another state is being built, moreover, non-brothers have been separated, we do not provide assistance to weak countries, as it was under the USSR, but from this, savings are not visible ++++ - Maybe because the standard of living itself has grown compared to the USSR - then it was considered prosperous the one who had an apartment, a summer residence and a car now is all the necessary minimum, but not as an indicator of prosperity.
            1. +1
              3 October 2021 23: 22
              The current realities have clearly identified one fundamental thing ... to achieve something, to win, you have to be very strong, united !!! To create such a community / association is not an easy task, not one day !!! But, if this is not created, our life will not change for the better.
            2. +1
              4 October 2021 00: 45
              Not everything is so simple. recourse We used to work for 8 hours, but now everyone works more. Pensioners have not worked before, mostly .... Many different comparisons ......
  6. 0
    3 October 2021 17: 42
    Military spending in the Russian military budget will overtake economic spending


    Some openly provocative headline.
  7. 0
    3 October 2021 17: 46
    Next year, defense spending in the Russian budget will occupy the second line, ahead of spending on the economy.
    Yeah, but the military-industrial complex has nothing to do with the economy ... and they are not going to buy what they have produced with this money ...
  8. -3
    3 October 2021 17: 58
    Excuse me, but whose joke on the fan? Why is there no signature of the proud author?
  9. -4
    3 October 2021 18: 14
    De facto, the enemies of the communists captured the USSR / RSFSR during their Perestroika.
    During Perestroika, they created such a State that they cowardly blamed the responsibility for it on the Communists.
    They cowardly dissociated themselves from responsibility for the State they created in the 90s headed by Yeltsin. Just as the Germans after the Second World War dumped all the blame on Hitler, so the enemies of the communists dumped the blame for what they did to Russia and its people in the 90s on Yeltsin alone.
    And what kind of state have they built in 20 years, headed by Putin? A militarized, religious appendage of raw materials and a market for foreign products. There can be no talk of any development of the country, improvement of the life of the people.
    1. +3
      3 October 2021 18: 26
      Quote: tatra
      De facto, the enemies of the communists captured the USSR / RSFSR during their Perestroika.

      Yeah, as I understand it, "enemies of the people." And why didn't "honest communists prevent this"?
      Quote: tatra
      During Perestroika, they created such a State that they cowardly blamed the responsibility for it on the Communists.

      Again, I did not understand, but who supported this course, who UNANIMOUSLY voted in support of it at all congresses and party conferences?
      Quote: tatra
      They cowardly dissociated themselves from responsibility for the State they created in the 90s headed by Yeltsin.

      But even they didn’t think of what you are now telling ... How are you breaking off and trying to remove the blame from those who called themselves "communists" ...
      Quote: tatra
      Just as the Germans after the Second World War dumped all the blame on Hitler, so the enemies of the communists dumped the blame for what they did to Russia and its people in the 90s on Yeltsin alone.

      ???????????? And Gorbachev, our people just adore it, is that it? And what did the communists do? Did they even condemn the actions of the communist Gorbachev?
      Quote: tatra
      And what kind of state have they built in 20 years, headed by Putin? A militarized, religious appendage of raw materials and a market for foreign products.

      I'm sorry. Are you serious now? And there is no desire to compare the current Russian Federation and the USSR by this criterion? Aren't you afraid that you will be ashamed?
      Quote: tatra
      There can be no talk of any development of the country, improvement of the life of the people.

      The question is very controversial, very ... especially when comparing the standard of living at the end of the USSR and now
      1. -4
        3 October 2021 18: 32
        Ha, in short, your first part of the comment is yours, enemies of the communists, 30-year-old cowardly ideology "and we have nothing to do with it. It's all the communists are to blame."
        And by what indicators are you, the enemies of the communists, who imposed on Russia and the Russian people WORSE than in the USSR - the power, the system, the economy, foreign policy, science, education, ditching all branches of Russia, proving that you are not able to make money for the country and the people , want to compare the USSR and the Russian Federation?
        1. +3
          3 October 2021 18: 40
          Quote: tatra
          cowardly ideology "and we have nothing to do with it. it's all the communists are to blame"

          Wait, who was the LEADING FORCE, the status enshrined in the constitution? So how to steer, now, but how to answer, it's not us, it's some kind of enemies ... You cowards, the meanest. History and people gave you a chance that you shamelessly profiled, and now you are trying to blame your mistakes on someone else. And to admit their desire is not?
          Quote: tatra
          And by what indicators are you, the enemies of the communists, who imposed on Russia and the Russian people WORSE than in the USSR - the power, the system, the economy, foreign policy, science, education, ditching all branches of Russia, proving that you are not able to make money for the country and the people , want to compare the USSR and the Russian Federation?

          Wait, you yourself suggested comparing the standard of living of the population. Let's compare.
          How did we live in 1990 and live now? I do not know who you were in the 90th, maybe you ate at the distributors for the party nomenclature, but I was deprived of such happiness and had to think what and where to buy to feed my family and my young children, now there is no problem with this. The communists all tried to solve the problem with housing, but they were able to solve it only now and they were no longer ...
          1. -5
            3 October 2021 18: 53
            What is this nonsense? You, the enemies of the communists, are AFRAID of comparing the results of the work of the communists and their supporters with the results of your well-paid work after you seized the RSFSR, and imposing on Russia and the Russian people the members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union who "saw the light" in Perestroika, under which you boast for 30 years, like all of you " but now it is better than under the communists ", NOT because you, together with them, have done at least something useful for Russia and the Russian people, but because you GOT a lot of things at the expense of other people's labor, at the expense of Russia and its people.
            And if you did not have the Soviet raw materials and industrial sectors, the Russian Federation would have collapsed long ago into the poorest and most backward countries of the world.
            And if you did not have a Soviet military-industrial complex, the Russian Federation might have long ago been torn apart by the enemies of the communists from other countries, as the interventionists, the allies of the enemies of the Bolsheviks, wanted to do with Russia.
            1. +3
              3 October 2021 18: 59
              Quote: tatra
              You enemies of the communists

              Such as especially now, so yes ... I am their enemy. I don’t understand how communists can hold prayers
              How world-eater-capitalists can get into the lists of deputies from the Communist Party
              Quote: tatra
              And if you did not have the Soviet raw materials and industrial sectors, the Russian Federation would have collapsed long ago into the poorest and most backward countries of the world ...
              ... And don't you have a Soviet military-industrial complex ...

              Forgive me, but be consistent, just now you accused the Russian Federation of being raw and militarized, shouldn't we admit that this is just the legacy of the USSR?
              1. -10
                3 October 2021 19: 08
                Ha, do you accept all my accusations against YOU, the enemies of the communists, or is there anything to refute them?
                Why do you, the enemies of the communists, on the one hand, imagine that you are better than the communists and their supporters, on the other hand, are you so afraid to discuss YOURSELF, everything that you yourself have done?
                1. +4
                  3 October 2021 19: 25
                  Quote: tatra
                  Why do you, the enemies of the communists, on the one hand, imagine that you are better than the communists and their supporters, on the other hand, are you so afraid to discuss YOURSELF, everything that you yourself have done?

                  You know, I'm ready to discuss any issue, except for personal ones. But now, you are in such an agitated state that you only hear yourself and do not listen at all to the arguments of the opposite side, how can you discuss something with you in such a state?
                  1. -7
                    3 October 2021 19: 37
                    Again, ha, an attempt to cowardly get out of the discussion of what you yourself, the enemies of the communists, did not count.
                    You are all such "great orators" in your criticism of what the Communist Bolsheviks and their supporters have done, but when you talk about what you yourself have done, your "oration" immediately evaporates.
                    1. +5
                      3 October 2021 20: 06
                      Quote: tatra
                      Again, ha, an attempt to cowardly get out of the discussion of what you yourself, the enemies of the communists, did not count.

                      To me, our sweet conversation more and more reminds me of this fragment from the film ...

                      Wake up, admit your mistakes, that it was you who brought the people and the country into this "swamp" and maybe the people will forgive you ... and so, apart from saliva and slogans, no one expects anything from you anymore ...
                  2. 0
                    4 October 2021 21: 18
                    Quote: svp67
                    that you only hear yourself and do not listen at all to the arguments of the opposite side

                    This is a common condition on the side of that monitor.
              2. mz
                +4
                3 October 2021 19: 15
                Quote: svp67
                I don’t understand how communists can hold prayers

                Quote: svp67
                How capitalist world-eaters can be included in the lists of deputies from the Communist Party

                There is simply nothing communist, except for the name, in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Now this is not even a left-wing party (judging by the top), but a right-wing bourgeois party with a monarchist bias. Why many still hold them for communists is not clear ...
                1. +2
                  3 October 2021 19: 20
                  Quote: mz
                  Why many still hold them for communists is not clear ...

                  These are the rules of the political game ...
                2. 0
                  3 October 2021 20: 02
                  Quote: mz
                  There is simply nothing communist, except for the name, in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. This is now not even a leftist party (judging by the top), and right-bourgeois with a monarchical bias

                  Rotten top .. sold with giblets .. exactly as you described ..
                  Why many still hold them for communists is not clear ...

                  Because not everyone there is like that .. but ZYu completely discredited himself .. He walks with waste in his pants .. and this is for old age .. shame .. I would have left ..
              3. -1
                3 October 2021 19: 50
                I don’t understand how communists can hold prayers

                Sergei .. is it really a communist .. well, the same as Chubais, Putin .. And candles and faith .. this is a show-off designed for the electorate .. Generally a vile type .. especially after these elections .. then justify ... well, for myself ... but now, if the Communist Party gained 50%, I think he would be the first to run to protest this fact ..
                just now you accused the Russian Federation of being raw and militarized, shouldn't we admit that this is just the legacy of the USSR?

                The Soviet Union can be attributed to the militarized .. BUT not raw materials ..
                https://topwar.ru/36212-a-byla-li-zavisimost-sssr-ot-eksporta-nefti.html
                Great article .. in my favorites.
                1. -1
                  3 October 2021 22: 16
                  The USSR supplied most of the science-intensive products for thanks and unequal barter, and sold most of the raw materials for foreign currency to capitalist countries - in the end, such an economic policy of the Central Committee of the CPSU led the country to budget bankruptcy - spending large revenues is not enough to cover them.
              4. +1
                4 October 2021 02: 19

                Yes, that's how they can ... well settled ...
          2. 0
            4 October 2021 02: 52
            Quote: svp67
            I do not know who you were in the 90th, maybe you ate at the distributors for the party nomenclature, but I was deprived of such happiness and had to think what and where to buy to feed my family and my young children ...

            So they would go to work, so there would be no problems with food. You love to give such advice to unhappy present times.
            Would go to the North, like me. And they would eat caviar with spoons. Or in a mine, you can be a metallurgist, a fisherman ... but in many places where they earned good money. Who was stopping you? Did the CPSU personally deprive you of this right?
            Quote: svp67
            ... The communists all tried to solve the problem with housing, but they were able to solve it only now and they were no longer ...

            Oh, come on, talk nonsense ... Outside the capitals, 90% of the housing stock is from the Soviet heritage, and in small and medium-sized cities it is generally close to 100. As for the creepy multi-storey "cheloveenniks" built up, this is generally a crime against the future, and not a "solution" to the housing problem. I was in such a place, in the Avtozavodskaya area. This is the real ghetto, some high-rise buildings close to each other, and ugly shopping and entertainment boxes. No hospitals, no schools, no kindergartens, no public gardens. Not a tree, the ghetto is the most natural.
            Is this your solution to your housing problems?
        2. -1
          3 October 2021 22: 06
          Finish raving.
  10. +1
    3 October 2021 19: 02
    Maybe then at least people think that it's time to work, and not be dependent

    Of course, after all, social sphere is an invention of the devil, and in general the state owes nothing to people, right?
  11. 0
    3 October 2021 19: 07
    Quote: rocket757
    Although, you can also read textbooks, those that were written by ancestors on a given topic. Very useful knowledge,

    "If you want to build socialism, choose a country that you do not mind."
    “IRON CHANCELLOR” OTTO VON BISMARK
    1. -1
      3 October 2021 19: 55
      Quote: 123456789
      Quote: rocket757
      Although, you can also read textbooks, those that were written by ancestors on a given topic. Very useful knowledge,

      "If you want to build socialism, choose a country that you do not mind."
      “IRON CHANCELLOR” OTTO VON BISMARK

      Nonsense .. he didn’t say that .. because there was no socialism yet and he could not know what it was .. You at least look at the years of Bismarck's life ..
    2. -2
      4 October 2021 02: 18

      You can do without comment ...
  12. -3
    3 October 2021 20: 47
    A country that does not want to feed its army will feed someone else's army.
  13. 0
    3 October 2021 21: 15
    What kind of "social sphere" can we talk about if there is no place for it in the system of our state?
    Until the state factories and factories are revived, until the extraction and sale of minerals is transferred to the state, what can we talk about ?!
  14. +1
    3 October 2021 21: 32
    If you look at the current GDP in terms of PPP, for Russia it has remained + - at the same level since the ruble was devalued, and in terms of PPP, the level of the military's budget consistently ranks third. If we take the purchasing power of the ruble within the country, then it turns out that the budget is in the region of $ 120 billion. They work great, like they cut them in dollars and don't increase them ... but in fact they are stable in the top three. Well this is ingenious, to shut up the liberda, in the west we do not spend like they do, look how much dough they are throwing in. Well, for beauty, che. It’s not so bad to be with us.
    1. -2
      3 October 2021 22: 24
      The budget for 2022 is 3.5 trillion rubles - at the rate of 74 it turns out - 47 billion dollars.
      1. +1
        3 October 2021 22: 30
        Yes, for people like you and count in face value. We then buy f35 straight to convert into bucks.
        1. -2
          4 October 2021 03: 42
          Quote: Serg89
          Yes, for people like you and count in face value. We then buy f35 straight to convert into bucks.

          Considering that we import at least 20-25 billion dollars (most of all machines and equipment for the creation or re-equipment of industries, including for industries adjacent to the military-industrial complex) - the conversion to the currency denomination is also extremely useful, you know ...
          The principle "I'm longer in parrots" does not work here.

          That is, what do we get?
          ■ Almost 15% of the budget is invested in the defense industry (for comparison, even the most militarized in the world and much richer overseas "sworn partners" this figure is about 12%).
          ■ At the same time, only 14% of the budget is invested in the development of the national economy (which is in an extremely deplorable state!).

          This raises a logical question - at what point will the exorbitant military budget "milk" the Russian economy almost dry? Isn't it more logical to first raise the economy, throw all efforts and resources on it - and only then, from these increased revenues, build up military power and military budgets?

          Especially taking into account the fact that even with the current state of the army, only a complete madman can seriously poke at us with military force (and even the Americans and Chinese, let alone the Europeans, clearly do not belong to them).
          This does not mean that the army "does not need funds." Needed, and rather big. It just means that everything has its time, that it needs prioritize correctly in the development of the country. Indeed, without strong logistical support and support from a strong economy, even the most powerful army can be useless, right?
          1. -3
            4 October 2021 06: 33
            NOT THIS WAY! The geopolitical situation is changing so rapidly that it is now the priority of the Armed Forces. And where does this "(which is in an extremely deplorable state!)" Come from? The West and the liberda CONVINCE us of this. Development is proceeding, not as rapidly as many would like, but it is progressing.
            1. 0
              4 October 2021 18: 49
              Quote: Vladimir Shcherbina
              And where does this "(which is in an extremely deplorable state!)" Come from? The West and the liberda CONVINCE us of this.

              What does some kind of "liberda" have to do with it? Even the government itself is frantically looking for ways to plug one or the other financial hole. Not to mention the standard of living of the population as a whole, especially far from large cities.

              As for the rest, she is a wonderful marquise ... the economy under the current "effective managers" simply "blooms and smells", of course ...

              There was some kind of development in the XNUMXs, it is really impossible to argue with this. But already from the tenths (especially from the second half) - somehow everything is sadder and sadder.

              Development is proceeding, not as rapidly as many would like, but it is progressing.

              How much faster is it? The current ones have been in power for 20 years, wake up! And all these 20 years (especially the last 10 years) you have been repeating the mantra about "wait, not everything is so fast."
              Nobody expects anything "impetuous". Let them first do at least normal pace development - instead of gradual bending.
          2. 0
            4 October 2021 08: 50
            Every year we buy a machine, that every year we make a dual-use product on a new machine, the sanctions were not affected, they dragged a civilian gas turbine through the courts ... and if you also take into account that the same weapon can be sold back for hard currency. Then you don't need to attract currency at all. And in terms of proportions, the soldier's salary, which he will spend on consumption, is also a contribution to the economy. All this is innuendo, the most zazhratnye logic of all this liberd would never have invested such grandmother in their military budget ... you can endlessly just put money somewhere and it will multiply.
  15. -1
    3 October 2021 22: 27
    By the way, the liberda still doesn’t work, apparently, it’s only 60 yards. The economy has less to drink.
  16. 0
    3 October 2021 23: 01
    We are forced to spend on defense. Otherwise, the 4th Reich will conquer us. And there is no problem with that. But the fact that Putin spends a trillion on the National Guard (for protection from the population) is a nightmare. A trillion a year for idlers whose only task is to kick a forged boot in the belly of a protesting pregnant woman. Write about this.
  17. +3
    4 October 2021 04: 16
    No matter how trite, but in our country to reduce at least 50 percent of theft / ghouls of all stripes, offshore / reduce budget spending on "parasites", there will be enough money for 3 annual budgets.
    1. -1
      4 October 2021 15: 15
      Among all the politoty in these comments, the only true one. And really, why buy a thing for 4000 if its cost in the store is 400. And so in many areas, not only from the security forces. But ordinary people prefer to discuss the military, forgetting to discuss the content of the armada of bureaucrats! " hi From which Russia only harm.
  18. -2
    4 October 2021 06: 22
    In general, I think that not enough funds are allocated for the defense industry. This is especially true for videoconferencing.
  19. mss
    +2
    4 October 2021 10: 30
    The debts of defense enterprises in the amount of 375 billion rubles will be written off.
    Most of these "debts" are the result of rampant theft from the budget.
    But these are the right people who steal, patriotic.
    And now they will be able to get into new debt.
    Which will also be written off later.
  20. mss
    +2
    4 October 2021 10: 33
    ⚡️Mishustin: "The budget for 2022-2024 is based on caring for people"

    Budget for 2022:
    - medicine: –117 billion rubles;
    - social policy: –371 billion rubles;
    - development of the pension system: –152 billion rubles;
    - economic support: –152 billion rubles;
    - security officials: +415 billion rubles ...
    1. 0
      4 October 2021 23: 19
      And what confuses you if this remains the main item of expenditure in the budget? This is the basis - caring for people. I will tell you more (especially if you are from the category of citizens in need, which, in principle, needs this support), in the year 23, according to the plan, it is even lower by 5 yards on almost every item and this will still remain the main expense item. For example, in the US, this is the third largest item in terms of volume. But, if not purely the US Defense Ministry is considered, but as with us with the National Guard and other representatives, then it turns out as much as 34%, here's an example for which you should strive: D
    2. 0
      5 October 2021 15: 03
      Quote: mss
      - security officials: +415 billion rubles ...

      And all this money will be paid to people in the form of salaries, part of it will be returned in the form of taxes, and the rest will go into the "support of the economy" item.
  21. amr
    -1
    4 October 2021 10: 33
    Quote: Alekseev
    Will prices go down? Don't be naive. The merchant sells at the highest bid price. Reset if they stop taking. Demand, you know, and supply. Only the merchant's profit will increase.


    judging by your logic, in business and office work you understand absolutely nothing from a word - nothing at all ...

    1. The most basic argument, if for you an entrepreneur is a huckster, then the rest of the arguments are simply meaningless!
  22. -1
    5 October 2021 07: 20
    and that's right, comrades ... we, the veterans of the USSR, support the policy of the Kremlin leadership

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"