Russia from the carriage window

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Here they are, fields, fields and fields ... Outside the carriage window

Your groves are good green
And simple flowers in the meadow ...
I keep looking, I keep looking out the carriage window,
I just can’t look around!
"Morning Song" from the film "Merry Stars" (1954) I. Dunaevsky Lyrics: M. Matusovsky

Russia as it is. Autumn, the leaves turn yellow and fall off. It rains. It is getting cold, and somewhere there is already a pile of snow. And how nice it is to remember last summer, when it was warm, hot even when there was the sea and the sun. However, it is not interesting to remember just like that. It is interesting to remember with meaning. What did you see that was not there before, what thoughts you got from what you saw, in a word - you need to remember so that it would be of benefit to people. In this case, to the readers of the VO website, one of whom wrote to me so directly that your story about summer vacations in the summer, even if "in hot pursuit," would be out of place. Better - when it starts to get colder. And the facts will be postponed. And the time has passed, it has become colder and ... in my opinion, now is the time to write about what I saw in the summer. Moreover, on our site there are quite a few people who believe that no positive changes are taking place in today's Russia, “the people are starving and dying out,” and all the most wonderful things were in the USSR. But is it really so?

To begin with, I started to ride trains a long time ago. Back in 1961, and, like all children, basically only did that by looking out the windows. And since I had to travel quite often towards our south, I soon learned the whole route very well. Rtishchevo, Balashov, Povorino, Liski, Rossosh, Millerovo, Rostov, Krasnodar - these are, so to speak, the usual "stages of the long journey" to the sea. And then there were trips to various other places. And for a long time it was so that our path was sharply demarcated by some invisible, but visible line: this is still our “north”, but this is already the “south”. They differed ... in houses. We have squalid huts of various sizes, covered with rusty iron or moldy slate, with rickety fences, courtyards cluttered to the point of disgrace, "necessary boards" piled up in heaps, and sorting booths. Everything is kind of "temporary", ridiculous, "bad". There are white stone fences, cozy front gardens with flowers, well-groomed stone houses. Under the tiles or the same slate. But only new. Fruit trees all around ... In a word - beauty!



When I asked why this is so, my mother told me that the south is richer, because the climate is better, and that was enough for me.

While studying at the graduate school of Kuibyshev State University from 1985 to 1988, I traveled so often along the Penza-Kuibyshev (today Samara) route that I learned it by heart. And it was a sad sight, I can tell you.

Sad villages wrapped in snow
There are trees over the roofs ...
Efforts to escape
They don't show ...

Sad Villages. Lyudmila Revenko

I remember that I kept thinking: “Why do they even live here. How do they live? What have they forgotten here? Yes, it will be better everywhere than here! " I thought it wouldn’t get any worse. But it got worse in the 90s ... The train was approaching the platform, and there were no people on it at all. Peeling facades, dirty windows, broken glass, as if a war had just taken place here. Ready-made scenery for a horror movie or the consequences of a nuclear war. I am not even talking about dirty carriages with smelly, broken "sralniki" (I can't even call these cabins a toilet). A certain exception to this rule was our signature Penza train "Sura", which I used to travel to Moscow only then.

And it turned out that for some time we drove only on it to Moscow, and there either by plane - where to go, or again on a purely "soviet" (again, it was "soviet", not even Soviet, there is a difference !) by the Belarusian train to Brest, and then by bus and forth.

The first noticeable changes caught my eye exactly five years ago. For some reason, we could not go abroad on vacation in the summer and ... after a long search on the Internet, we opted for a private hostel 25 kilometers from Anapa. Judging by the photos and reviews of people vacationing there, it was not bad at all and ... that's exactly how it turned out. The view from the window itself began to change! New houses appeared (even in our northern territory) under metal-plastic roofs, it was clear that people were beginning to build. But everything - in my opinion, seen, nevertheless, was in some kind of unstable equilibrium. Here is a new house - next to a couple of huts. It's clean here - it's dirty here. It was clear in the carriage, but it was blowing from the window. An air conditioner appeared in the car, but it works poorly - and so literally in everything. We had a good rest then, and the junior suite itself turned out to be no worse than in the Spanish hotel "Planomar ***" in Malgrad de Mar (whoever wants, can see his photos on the Internet, and ... that's how it is there! ).

The kitchen ... well ... our dining room, but good. That is, what was supposed to be put in food, and no one took anything home. Your own beach, few people - this is not a city beach in Anapa, in a word, we rested very well then. However, “there” is still more interesting, so we did not go there anymore. Anyway, we have a rule not to go to the same place twice.


Resting place five years ago. And today nothing has changed here at all!

But ... "you suppose, but the devil disposes." The “era of covid” began, the foreign countries were closed, the ferry trip across Scandinavia was “covered with a copper basin,” and again I had to think about where to rest. We searched the Internet and it turned out that there is a very good place to stay almost in the same place where we went last time, but only closer to the center. We especially liked the fact that at this new camp site you can live in “eco-houses” made of pine logs, and there is also a pool with sea water, that is, in case of bad weather, you don't have to go to the sea.

We boarded the Samara-Anapa train going through Penza and drove off. The changes were noticed immediately: a completely new and very clean carriage, in which everything worked exactly as it should. Already good. But the most important changes took place “outside the carriage window”. There are much more new houses - and of which there are many! Chalups of Soviet times, if they remained, were no longer striking. The cities were also different: in each of them there were new high-rise buildings and many. In our Penza, for example, a new town "Sputnik" has grown up on the bank of the river, with very good living conditions and very beautiful, modern houses (apartments in which, by the way, are sold out like hot cakes!), And for a group houses and at the same time a kindergarten and a school, a state clinic or a medical center are being built. But I saw the same thing in other places. I also saw new elevators. Oh-oh-oh, this is an impressive sight. The old Soviet ones looked like rectangular towers, and they still function, although they have a very shabby appearance. The new ones are built of metal and look absolutely fantastic compared to the old ones. And again, there are not one or two, but many. Completely new settlements of typical houses also appeared, and the construction of many of them continued.

But what impressed me most was the fields. Who wrote there about the fields overgrown with weeds? Didn't see one. But I saw fields close to the swamp. Here wheat grows, and here there is already water! The slopes of the ravines have been plowed up, the strips along the railway have been plowed up ... Of course, there are many ravines, there are inconveniences, and grass grows there. But in general, everything that is possible has been plowed up and sown. Moreover, two crops dominate: wheat and sunflower. Although closer to Krasnodar and Anapa, fruit orchards and melons appeared. The feeling from what I saw was as if I found myself again in a distant childhood, when, in the same way, from the window of the carriage I saw the sown fields stretching to the horizon. By the way, they also exist next to my dacha: here is the road - and here are the fields sown with sunflowers, and they all stretch, stretch and stretch. We simply do not have fields overgrown with weeds ... They did not see each other even now, on the way to Anapa.


Sunflowers on a rather steep slope. How will they be removed? But, apparently, they are somehow removed ... By the way, among the cars in the "parking lot" below, 80% of foreign cars ...

And I was struck by ... the cows. There were a lot of them, mostly black and white, and they grazed, well, literally everywhere. Previously, a typical domestic animal of the 90s of the last century was a grazing goat. Goats graze now, but the number of cows has increased significantly. Rather, there are as many of them as there were before. "Everything is back to normal."

By the way, the difference in the houses still persisted. Closer to the sea - the buildings became ... "more magnificent", I would say, the number of storeys climbed up, and people also amused their "I" with decorations - there are all sorts of columns, stucco molding. No, there would be our neighbors Poles, about whose houses I once wrote here in the series of materials "Europe from the window of the bus." Yes, they would, and along with them the Germans, and the French, and the Italians, simply ... “would describe themselves with envy”, looking at the mansions of our most ordinary “village workers” who grow peaches, watermelons, grapes for sale, in a word - “gifts south ”, or renting their homes for the summer to holidaymakers from the north. Moreover, as in Poland, houses began to appear in our country, surrounded by fields. That is, this is my home, and this is my land. And everywhere there was construction going on. Excavators, cranes were standing and working, boards, beams and bricks were lying, concrete mixers were spinning. But immediately after the end of construction, or even earlier, people planted flowers, tree seedlings, watered the lawns in front of their houses in the morning. An obvious turning point has come. The chaos in the brain is finally over ...


One of the private boarding houses, and there are now a lot of them. Come and move in. Its own wi-fi, the ability to cook, the ability to have a ready-made (!), Some have their own pool. And the prices are quite reasonable, especially if this house is located far from the sea. But for those who come in their own cars, this is not a problem at all!

Well, then the train came to the station "Anapa", and it was necessary to unload and go to the place of rest. However, this did not give us any problems, because the administration of the base sent us a transfer. Everything is for people, but what about ... Well, what I saw at the resting place will be told next time.

To be continued ...
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  1. +13
    5 October 2021 18: 08
    Thank you for the memories! I also took a ride on the trains, I have something to remember. True, not on vacation, on an excursion with the class a couple of times - I worked mainly on holidays, for this reason the group was hardly recruited from all over the school, the rest were not up to that. Serve me at sea, looked at what a marvel such a thing, I never saw it again, then business trips all over the Union ... Thank you, now I will read the comments!
    1. +17
      5 October 2021 18: 13
      Very good and kind article. Thanks.
      I drove from Penza by car through the Voronezh region and always admired one single house that stood covered with thatch from that timebelay
      Two years ago he was gone. It's a pity.
      And, Russia is really beautiful!
      1. +10
        5 October 2021 18: 22
        Automotive Russia is beautiful in each region in its own way. I traveled all over the South, the Caucasus, traveled a lot in Siberia and Altai, the Urals are also good. Spring and autumn multicolored I like the most! And roadside cafes with their own flavor!hi
        1. +5
          5 October 2021 18: 40
          And everything would be fine, and the picture is blissful, the sunflowers are different there ... good
          But Shpakovsky would not have been Vyacheslav if he had not advertised the hotel, and then auto tourism.
          Duc went on a train wink ?
          1. +6
            5 October 2021 19: 15
            In the Shpakovsky dynasty, only one person drives a car. Hopefully, Zlata will get behind the wheel, but it will be “a completely different story”.
          2. +5
            5 October 2021 19: 53
            Quote: Stroporez
            Duc went on a train

            Duc, is the reflection of the window glass visible in the photo of the fields or not?
      2. +13
        5 October 2021 18: 52
        I drove from Penza by car through the Voronezh region and always admired one single house that stood covered with thatch since those times.

        I traveled a lot on trains, sometimes I spent 15 days a month in a carriage. From Riga to Irkutsk, from Vologda to Adler, from Tyumen to Purpe ...
        But the pastoral picture in the Khopersky Reserve, when I was driving through Penza to Boguchar and beyond, was imprinted in my memory. Picturesque slopes with villages, the smell of smoke from heated baths, cows standing in the meadows ... this is dear, this is real drinks
        1. +4
          5 October 2021 19: 58
          Quote: Konnick
          through Penza to Boguchar and beyond,

          Exactly, Kolya, somewhere this house was in the Boguchar area. The composition of the earth is somehow whitish, like lime ...
  2. +7
    5 October 2021 18: 22
    Thank you Vyacheslav Olegovich! You are a romantic at heart!) We look forward to continuing ...
    1. +5
      5 October 2021 19: 19
      This summer I traveled from the Kuban to my small homeland, Smolensk. Yes, there are changes. This is especially evident to me, who works in agriculture. Fields have been sown, elevators are being restored, I noticed a new greenhouse complex in Roslavl. But for industrial production, some kind of darkness.
      1. +2
        5 October 2021 19: 24
        I agree completely! There is much for the better in the Smolensk (small homeland). Plowed fields, many livestock, farms, including small farmers. Compared to the late 90s and early 10s heaven and earth.
    2. +5
      5 October 2021 19: 19
      Yes. You do not know how this romantic can “butt” for “loot”!
      1. +1
        5 October 2021 19: 27
        My neighbor, as the saying goes, "has everything," why should I sharpen a grudge against him .... money, too, must be able to extract.
        1. +3
          5 October 2021 19: 34
          As the saying goes, "we are talking about different things." You mean "candy wrappers", I mean the Tours livres ...
          1. 0
            5 October 2021 19: 36
            Yes, okay) the world is multifaceted laughing
            1. +3
              5 October 2021 19: 38
              I also tend to this opinion
  3. +8
    5 October 2021 18: 25
    Everyone sees what he wants to see. But if we talk about trips, then I sailed on steamboats along the Volga. Before Balakovo. Mom gave three rubles (old). In childhood, we were merged with nature. But from these trips, for some reason, I remembered the bitter-salty taste of roach.
  4. +15
    5 October 2021 18: 28
    The old Soviet ones looked like rectangular towers, and they still function, although they have a very shabby appearance. The new ones are built of metal and look absolutely fantastic compared to the old ones.

    For thirty years they have been like not Soviet ones, so their shabby appearance is determined not by their Soviet origin, but by their current attitude.
    In thirty years, with such an attitude, the new ones will be shabby.

    Here is an example of an "old Soviet elevator".
    1. +6
      5 October 2021 18: 38
      I will say more - in three dozen years - and we will be shabby and tattered (of course, if someone lives) laughing
      1. +1
        5 October 2021 19: 22
        I don't think it will "shine" for me ...
        1. +1
          5 October 2021 20: 22
          Alas, signor! Many of us "do not shine". hi
          1. +1
            5 October 2021 20: 29
            Why on earth am I a "senior"? Miserable, as it is ...
            1. +1
              5 October 2021 20: 46
              This is how you want mon ami! hi
      2. BAI
        +2
        6 October 2021 09: 15
        I will say more - in three dozen years - and we will be shabby and tattered

        In the Kuban there is an elevator built in the 30s (the date is laid out in bricks). A huge colossus, even by today's standards. He survived the war and still works.
    2. +6
      5 October 2021 18: 41
      Quote: Undecim
      For thirty years they have been like not Soviet ones, so their shabby appearance is determined not by their Soviet origin, but by their current attitude.

      Well, the author cannot do without mentioning the Soviet in the negative.
      1. -1
        5 October 2021 19: 50
        Quote: Stroporez
        without mentioning the Soviet in the negative.

        And he, that was not there? Negativity? One positive, huh?
        1. +3
          6 October 2021 19: 49
          And he, that was not there? Negativity? One positive, huh?

          A famous pet will always find a habitat for itself.
      2. +4
        5 October 2021 20: 51
        Yes, there was negativity in "Soviet", Valera, and fuck it! Let's not lie to ourselves and to each other ... Well, between us, Soviet boys, with an age difference of five years ...
        1. +5
          5 October 2021 21: 04
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Yes, there was negativity in the "Soviet",

          Hello Anton!
          You understand what's the matter, Old Man, big things are seen at a distance and all the "shoals and shortcomings" of the Soviet system are now visible, in full view and even under a microscope, and now they seem to be some kind of childish harmless pranks in comparison with what is happening in the country and with a country that we are simply losing.
          I'm definitely not going to agitate you, you are a guy with a head and you will figure it out yourself.
          1. +4
            5 October 2021 21: 13
            Valera, my friend, we have lost our country long ago. And you and I are a lot to blame. So what now, to commit suicide?
            1. +1
              5 October 2021 21: 30
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Tranu you and I have long since lost. And you and I are a lot to blame. So what now, to commit suicide?

              No! If you are guilty, it must be corrected.
              1. +1
                5 October 2021 21: 33
                What do you offer? "Russian revolt, ruthless and merciless"?
                1. -3
                  5 October 2021 21: 42
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  What do you offer? "Russian revolt, ruthless and merciless"?

                  Well, fick, when everyone is against everyone, I don't want at all, but apparently this is an inevitable future. The very logic of events screams that something has not been completed, timelessness ... but it cannot continue indefinitely, because every action must be logical or illogical, but the end. The action began in the late 80s, someone said earlier, but it does not matter, it is important that the action is not over.
                  1. +1
                    5 October 2021 21: 46
                    That is, you yourself do not understand what you are for now? Well, and then the hell to flirt then? Sorry for the sharp frankness!
                    1. -1
                      5 October 2021 22: 01
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      Sorry for the harsh frankness!

                      Ha, I know about myself, but "who can get into my dreams, who knows what's inside." wink
                      You can't even fix the router in any way lol I'm hinting this to you wink laughing
                      1. +1
                        5 October 2021 22: 18
                        Well, I am a fool to touch on too personal topics ...
                        Don't hint, I've already erased the text, I've already written another, I've erased it again, I'm ready to explain it in Votsap ...
                      2. -1
                        5 October 2021 22: 29
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Well, I am a fool to touch on too personal topics ...
                        Don't hint, I've already erased the text, I've already written another, I've erased it again, I'm ready to explain it in Votsap ...

                        Well Duc what's the matter, throw the callsigns))
                  2. +2
                    5 October 2021 22: 25
                    And suddenly, "hamsters" appeared on the "opinions" !!! Why am I not surprised, don't you know?
                    1. -2
                      5 October 2021 22: 30
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      And suddenly, "hamsters" appeared on the "opinions" !!! Why am I not surprised, don't you know?

                      Of course I know! Yes Because together we are strong! good drinks
                      Now I just need to follow the profile laughing
                      The usual thing for fighting hamsters!
        2. +2
          10 October 2021 23: 38
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Yes, there was negativity in "Soviet", Valera, and fuck it! Let's not lie to ourselves and to each other.

          Let's not lie and say as it should be for serf slaves; "The red master forced to work, but paid little, the white master does not care about everything, a new apartment for the absolute majority - (if not lying!) - a pipe dream, and the mass of junk on the roads and about 1 million victims in car accidents in 30 years is worthy a reward for the slaves who traded awl for soap instead of putting things in order in their own country 30 years ago.

          The main thing is what if "stop lying"? The fact that the number of "dear Russians" is declining with an increasing speed, about which the PR specialist Shpakovsky will never write .... HAPPY TRAVEL, BY MERIT!
    3. -2
      5 October 2021 19: 21
      Dnepropetrovsk?
      1. +2
        5 October 2021 19: 46
        Dnepropetrovsk?

        Zhashkov.
        1. +1
          5 October 2021 19: 55
          Yes. Cherkasy themselves were in the brigade's area of ​​responsibility, but I hardly remember Zhashkov, if only the AHR were nearby.
        2. +1
          5 October 2021 20: 21
          Dashkov? Look, the world is, however, small. I have a lot of relatives there - though not in Zhashkov itself. Nine versts in the direction of Sorokotyagi - the village of Vorone.
          1. +1
            5 October 2021 20: 26
            There is one.
          2. +4
            5 October 2021 20: 30
            Somewhere there, my aunt is buried. She was shot during the war by the Germans. She sheltered a wounded Red Army soldier.
          3. +4
            5 October 2021 20: 36
            The world is much closer than we can imagine ...
    4. +4
      5 October 2021 19: 22
      Well, similar in White Clay is restored (almost). We delivered German equipment, repaired the buildings.
  5. +4
    5 October 2021 18: 30
    At least something kind, from the bottom of my heart ... or else I'm tired of this dirt (especially information). I want something so bright, kind ...
  6. +6
    5 October 2021 18: 34
    I had to travel by train. The very first route was only about 60 km. The route was also not so hot: "Kemerovo - Topki - passing Natsmen" and after 3 km by sleigh (in winter) or by cart (in summer) 3 km to the village of Cheremichkino. I remember both the siding and the Dutch oven. Outside the window is an unattractive landscape - darkness.
    The longest route: "Leningrad - Moscow - Chita". It is very remarkable for the expanse of fields and forests from mixed to Siberian taiga. Baikal looks good.
    Unfortunately, the trains of that time were not very comfortable. The seats in the reserved seat near the toilet were especially unattractive ... But there were also common cars. Everyone was driving somewhere and in a hurry to get somewhere. By the way, car thieves never came across. Once I drove "Leningrad - Murmansk" in the company of the released. Nothing. God had mercy.
    But I mostly preferred airplanes. The distances are long - I didn't want to waste time.
    1. +5
      5 October 2021 19: 45
      ... The longest route: "Leningrad - Moscow - Chita".

      Welcome.
      hi
      I smiled straight as I read it.)))
      Moscow-Chita,
      Yekaterinburg-Chita.
      As the son of an officer and ... as he himself is the same))) - served and wound almost all over the country.
      But the most favorite view from the carriage window is Taiga and Baikal ....
      This is something with something.
      This is the Wisdom and Power of Mother Nature herself. There is her heart - in the Taiga near Lake Baikal.
      For 5-6 days you used to have a festival on the train. And when your coupe is a family or a company ....)))
      .........
      And my first trip was by plane when I was 6 months old. Parents flew on vacation.
      By the way, the Tu-154 used to have a cradle.
      Yeah, the cradle was in the standard equipment!
      Now I don’t know whether there is or not.
      Here I flew in it.)))
      fellow
      Enjoy your memories!
      drinks
      1. +3
        5 October 2021 20: 17
        Thanks! You haven't been there for a long time ... drinks
    2. 0
      6 October 2021 17: 52
      "Leningrad - Moscow - Chita"
      you haven't traveled on the Vanino-Ivanovo route yet. Yes, in a freight car (adapted for a guardroom))) 25 days "without taking out" as they say hi
  7. +12
    5 October 2021 18: 36
    In my district of Moscow, the huge Hammer and Sickle plant, which had existed since pre-revolutionary times, was destroyed, and in its place skyscrapers are poked almost right next to each other. We should be happy about this, and the fact that 80 percent of citizens of the Russian Federation will not be able to buy new apartments, they simply do not have, and will not have money, and they, their children and grandchildren, will live in Soviet-built houses?
    We should be glad that the fields have been sown in order to bring more grain out of Russia to enrich new "kulaks", and for the people there will never be cheap and natural products, as in the USSR?
    1. -3
      5 October 2021 18: 47
      The hammer and sickle stood for many years. Now they are building a very not bad area there, along with the infrastructure. Who wants to buy. hi
      1. +3
        5 October 2021 18: 51
        Not who wants, but who can afford to buy an apartment. And in the Russian Federation, it is mainly from officials and oligarchs to office plankton and priests.
        HONESTY in the Russian Federation you cannot earn money for an apartment.
        The enemies of the communists returned the System of the Russian Empire, in which 20-30 percent were rich and richest, and the rest were poor and destitute.
        1. 0
          5 October 2021 18: 55
          You know, many of my friends and colleagues live normally and do not live in poverty. (Yaroslavl, Moscow, Smolensk regions). The main thing is not to sit still.
          1. 0
            5 October 2021 18: 59
            Well, yes, the enemies of the communists seriously imagined themselves to be "cultivated", and honestly earned their large and huge salaries and incomes. Only now you are afraid to be held accountable for the results of your work 30 years after your seizure of the RSFSR.
            1. +2
              5 October 2021 19: 05
              So you can blame others all your life. I bow hi
              1. -2
                5 October 2021 19: 12
                Ha, well, of course, immediately "into the bushes."
                1. +1
                  5 October 2021 19: 15
                  There is no desire to "drown" for the past.
                  1. +1
                    5 October 2021 19: 20
                    So I wrote about YOU, the enemies of the communists, and you really like to discuss everything that the Bolshevik communists and their supporters have done, and you really do not like to discuss what you yourself have done.
                    1. +2
                      6 October 2021 07: 11
                      Quote: tatra
                      love to discuss everything that the Bolshevik communists and their supporters did

                      And what did the "Bolshevik communists and their supporters" do? The first generations of the country were building, and the last of their party members were all they built, as Stalin said, about .... profiled. Who do you want to make a claim to, "enemies of the communists"? And who is it? These are the same communists, and starting with Stalin's comrades-in-arms. It's no secret that Khrushchev was a Trotskyist at the dawn of his youth, but he "changed his shoes" and got into the confidence ... We know the result. The party itself failed to respond to the changed situation. She was not capable of self-purification and simply dissolved in the philistine mass in pursuit of the number of members. The leadership of the party broke away from its foundation - the "primary organization", became isolated and degenerated. It degenerated so much that it carried out an anti-party counter-revolutionary coup. That is, in fact, the communists, meaning the party as a living organism, did not have enemies. They ate themselves. Even today, ordinary members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation exercise their membership without realizing that they simply "bought" into a wrapper called "communist ...." In fact, this party can hardly claim a social democratic definition. And there, in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, there are no attempts to promote communist ideas in terms of the "CP manifesto", there is no debate about the ideological and formal conformity to the declared name ... In general, it can be stated that the communist idea in the current Communist Party of the Russian Federation has died. And the memory remained in the minds of the old party members of the late USSR, who were not used to digging deeply into the theory of their own political organization. As they say ... Amen.
                      1. -5
                        6 October 2021 07: 22
                        Ha, thank you for confirming my words about YOU, the enemies of the communists, with your, to put it mildly, strange "ideology" after you captured the USSR - not for yourself and what you did - but against others, and what others did.
                        And you yourself, who seriously imagined that you are better than the communists and their supporters, are generally not in your "history" of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, you are all cowardly "not to blame."
                      2. +5
                        6 October 2021 07: 55
                        Quote: tatra
                        Thank you for confirming my words about YOU, the enemies of the Communists, with your, to put it mildly, strange "ideology" after your capture of the USSR

                        In general, I am not an enemy of the communists, at least because, as I said earlier, there are almost no communists left today in terms of ideological content. All those who today stand up for modern parties that have the word "communist" in their names, in fact, "drown" for the same material benefits, they just want to receive them in the form of social support, that is, without earning them. There are simple philistine values ​​under the "false" flag. laughing
                        Quote: tatra
                        And you yourself, who seriously imagined that you are better than the communists and their supporters, are generally not in your "history" of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, you are all cowardly "not to blame."

                        First, I have never said that I think someone is better or worse. I simply stated the collapse of the ideological unity of the CPSU due to defects in its construction and development. I do not consider you worse than myself and do not rank you among the enemies. What kind of enemy are you ?! laughing Secondly, we have a lot to do with it, because unlike you, who received material well-being in the ring of the Moscow Ring Road, collecting it from all over the USSR, I and others like me defended the interests of the country sometimes with a real weapon in our hands. At the same time, the country is not only the Communist Party / Communist Party of the Russian Federation, it is all those who do not share your tears over the dead communist idea. When I personally happened to be engaged in combat work, I never thought about the party affiliation of those whom I had to defend. You, in turn, at least here, simply live by the idea of ​​segregating your own fellow citizens according to political preferences, in every possible way promoting the rejection of those whom you call your enemies. A real communist, in my opinion, should not divide the country into his own and enemies, but try to win the souls of his interlocutors, explaining why the modern communist idea is more advanced than others.
                      3. -9
                        6 October 2021 08: 00
                        And why do I need your senseless verbiage?
                      4. +5
                        6 October 2021 08: 44
                        Quote: tatra
                        And why do I need your senseless verbiage?

                        Then, you shouldn't mistake the spider web on your hat for a fashionable veil.
            2. +2
              5 October 2021 21: 26
              Quote: tatra
              Well, yes, the enemies of the communists seriously imagined themselves to be "cultivated", and honestly earned their large and huge salaries and incomes.

              Irina! Do not forget that the CPSU raised all its enemies with its own hands, with its inactive principle of democratic centralism, when party membership and the choice of officials became a profanation. For some reason I remembered "Carriage Disputes":

              Remember the Third Program of the CPSU, adopted at the XXII Congress - a utopian program. Or will you begin to deny that communism, even in a single country (group of countries), is a utopia? Naturally, communism was built within the walls of the Kremlin. This was called government support. The rest remained to live in a socialist country, where the learned moral code of the builder of communism was daily refuted by examples from his real life. It is impossible to eradicate all the shortcomings of the personality and bad habits of living at someone else's expense only for a separate group of citizens, referring "ourselves beloved" to the untouchable caste.
              ==========
              We will remember our socialist past for a long time to come, as a standard for the organization of social and state relations. Undoubtedly, this was the best thing in the history of the country. Only there is no reason to remember this after the betrayal of Zyuganov, who buried people's faith in some kind of social justice and changes for the better. However, how to explain to the wolves, "what kind of increase in livestock can we talk about when the birth rate of some is carried out at the expense of the contamination of others ?!"
              hi
              1. -5
                5 October 2021 23: 41
                Quote: ROSS 42
                We will remember our socialist past for a long time to come, as a standard for the organization of social and state relations.

                Yes nichrome there were no standards. Marx did not speak at all about such a structure of society. The country was ruled not by the people, but by the party nomenclature. Instead of the withering away of commodity-money relations, we received their strengthening. And most importantly, people still nifiga do not understand in the slightest the slightest degree what communism is, so any cheap populism like Platoshkin’s one is met by them just with a bang.
                1. +1
                  6 October 2021 00: 49
                  "Instead of the withering away of commodity-money relations, we got their strengthening." What kind of fright will they start dying with? Than someone else's labor will be evaluated or you will have a free labor force so that everyone can produce and supply everything for free.
                  1. -3
                    6 October 2021 08: 37
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Than other people's labor will be evaluated or you will have a free labor force so that everyone can produce and supply everything for free.

                    With such that the growth of labor productivity. Since the automation of production. Since now there is a wild imbalance in income.
                    1. +1
                      6 October 2021 13: 25
                      "With such that the growth of labor productivity." Due to the introduction of automation and robotization, this will be created by specific people and companies will create their brands in this area and they will take money for this, as well as for service, from all those who want to implement all these products in their factories - for free no one will do anything and all of the above will not appear out of thin air. And all this in no way cancels commodity-money relations, and even more so their curtailment for the future.
                2. 0
                  6 October 2021 08: 20
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Marx did not speak at all about such a structure of society.

                  Who is arguing with you? This same VIL developed and supplemented the teachings of Marx in relation to imperialism - the highest stage of the development of capitalism. Are you suggesting that Marxism-Leninism is an inert teaching? Yes, hell there. It requires constant renewal based on the basic principles of the socialist order: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" and "man is friend to man, comrade and brother."
                  1. -1
                    6 October 2021 08: 45
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    Are you suggesting that Marxism-Leninism is an inert teaching?

                    I suppose that what we built in the USSR turned out to be socialism with the wildest remnants of the previous OEF. Public administration did not work out, and ownership of the means of production did not become fully public. Therefore, the person was so impudent and related to everything that was state. He did not feel the state as his own.
                    1. +3
                      6 October 2021 08: 52
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Public administration did not work out, and ownership of the means of production did not become fully public. Therefore, the person was so careless and treated everything state. He did not feel the state as his own.

                      I do not argue that the main reason for the destruction of the USSR was that the citizens of the Soviet Union did not absorb the morality of the Code of the Builder of Communism. And the reasons for this were in the rotten system of the Central Committee, where they were more concerned about their own well-being and their own privileges.
                  2. +1
                    6 October 2021 13: 30
                    from each according to his ability, to each according to his work "and" man is a friend to man, comrade and brother. " The first part is already working, whoever studied for that and came in handy - but with the second part there are big problems and they are not removable from the word at all, since man is a wolf to man by the laws of nature in man, this is inherent in someone this is a lot, someone is not enough.
        2. -1
          5 October 2021 19: 41
          Quote: tatra
          HONESTY in the Russian Federation you cannot earn money for an apartment.

          There is internet. Look who now lives in Sputnik town in Penza. Prices, conditions for buying apartments. A whole city of thieves, huh? My son-in-law is a crane operator. I bought a two-room apartment in an elite 4-storey building. Yes, it's still a long time to pay, but ... it works. What can he steal? A concrete slab from a construction site? Now even a bucket of cement cannot be taken, so the owners are watching. Its own, not public. So forget about the thieves. Oh yes - officials. Maybe they steal. But the whole city "Sputnik" of officials ... Not even funny. Look at the photo. There is ... And by the way, Penza is full of such new buildings. You can look for a place to live. For some reason, even retired admirals are settling with us. There is even a Marine Assembly. Well ... Probably something attracts them here.
          1. -1
            5 October 2021 19: 54
            Well, again, "but I have ...". Again, in accordance with the mentality of the enemies of the communists, who always rip out of the common only what is beneficial to you.
            As when, if we are talking about the salaries of workers in Ingushetia, you rip out only the largest, and if we are talking about pensions in the USSR, then only the smallest.
            But the communists gave free apartments to workers, including at the Moscow plant "Hammer and Sickle" you destroyed. Whole houses in the district were built by a factory for workers, and the streets are called Martinovskaya, Stalevarov, Metallurgov.
            1. -3
              5 October 2021 20: 11
              Quote: tatra
              and if we are talking about pensions in the USSR, then only the smallest.

              For example, I have a pension of 18.500 rubles. How much or a little in your opinion? Communists gave apartments free of charge ... Why are there so many barracks in my very Penza without the conveniences of the Soviet era? Why weren't they given to the inhabitants? Houses of the most disgusting kind, which are being demolished only now ... But have you already looked about "Sputnik"? Look ...
            2. +2
              6 October 2021 00: 51
              Part of the capacity of the Hammer and Sickle equipment was transferred to another enterprise, the old one was handed over for scrap.
          2. +6
            5 October 2021 20: 04
            Quote: kalibr
            There is even a Marine Assembly. Well ... Probably something attracts them here.

            I know, I know many of these guys. May God grant them health. drinks

          3. +2
            5 October 2021 23: 52
            Quote: kalibr
            My son-in-law is a crane operator.

            Yes, this is a scandal in a noble family. How did you allow such a misalliance ?!
            Quote: kalibr
            Now even a bucket of cement cannot be taken, so the owners are watching. Its own, not public.

            Here, of course, you are exaggerating a little. Although, yes, the capitalist clings tightly to the loot and does not want to share it.
            Quote: kalibr
            What can he steal? A concrete slab from a construction site?

            Anything. You can always find what to steal.
            Quote: kalibr
            But the whole city "Sputnik" of officials ...

            Humans are yes. Where without them. To rivet concrete kennels without infrastructure in violation of all norms is now sacred. I heard you got a planetarium out there. It is correct. Why would a planetarium be? Better to rivet the kennels at exorbitant prices and force them to plow for life. What can you say here? Glory to neo-feudalism!
            1. +3
              6 October 2021 06: 59
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              To rivet concrete kennels without infrastructure in violation of all norms is now sacred.

              Don't know how to use the Internet? Once again, for dla ... Go to the Sputnik website and see how it is with the infrastructure.
              1. -4
                6 October 2021 08: 21
                Quote: kalibr
                Go to the Sputnik website and see how it is with the infrastructure.

                I went in and looked and was horrified. Standard 20-storey cattlemen are one close to the other. Painted in cheerful colors from the fantasies of a gray mare. Apparently so that the people from the depresnyak do not go completely off the rails. There is very little land around Penza and the people are poor. Only this can be built
            2. +5
              6 October 2021 07: 01
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              You can always find what to steal.

              You know from my own experience, right? Not good. And what about the commandments?
              1. -3
                6 October 2021 08: 23
                Quote: kalibr
                And what about the commandments?

                Are you talking about the capitalist's commandment about 300 percent profit?
            3. +2
              6 October 2021 07: 02
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Yes, this is a scandal in a noble family. How did you allow such a misalliance ?!

              And they choose a life partner not by a diploma, by no means. There are also plenty of idiots candidates of science.
              1. -2
                6 October 2021 08: 27
                Quote: kalibr
                And they choose a life partner not by a diploma, by no means. There are also plenty of idiots candidates of science.

                Bad excuse. I didn't expect this from you. How could you only become related to the vile class ?! I hope you will at least attach a granddaughter for a decent person. Otherwise I will categorically condemn you.
          4. +5
            6 October 2021 08: 36
            Quote: kalibr
            Now even a bucket of cement cannot be taken, so the owners are watching.

            What are you talking about? The hosts? belay These are the thieves and criminal structures that rewrote in their own name the rights to public property three times by shoeing the population with such types of fraud as “Gorbachev's cooperation”, “Pavlov's monetary reform” and “unnamed Chubais’s privatization”.
            ==========
            It is good when the head of the family is a crane operator and has a job with a decent pay. I hope that you will not argue that the actual growth of the economy can only be with the creation of a new value-added product? That's just what the situation is, not all Russian cities are located in the Penza region and are called Satellites. There are also those where the city-forming enterprises that operated in Soviet times have been destroyed, and the workers are simply thrown out to their own devices. Therefore, your son-in-law's example is not a standard for everyone ... or those whose salaries in ruble terms fluctuate between 12-21 thousand rubles.
        3. 0
          5 October 2021 20: 11
          Quote: tatra
          HONESTY in the Russian Federation you cannot earn money for an apartment.
          The enemies of the communists returned the System of the Russian Empire, in which 20-30 percent were rich and richest, and the rest were poor and destitute.

          Dear Tatra, I suggest you start small - give up the potbelly handouts of the "enemies of the communists" in the form of a monthly supplement to the pension of an inhabitant of the Capital!
          social supplement to pension up to the size of the city standard. In 2020, the standard was 19 500. Р, from January 2021 - 20 222. R. p. 3 of the decree of the Moscow government dated 16.12.2020 No. 2260-PP. The size of the monthly compensation payment to the pension for each Moscow pensioner is determined individually, but the full amount of the pension with an additional payment from 2021 must be at least 20 R.

          Dare, with all your revolutionary hatred !!! laughing
          1. 0
            5 October 2021 20: 21
            Greetings! You can't argue with such an opinion and position wink
            1. -1
              5 October 2021 20: 58
              Quote: Alien From
              Greetings! You can't argue with such an opinion and position wink

              This is not the point, working constantly in a stressful situation, sometimes the approach of a number of individuals causes a sincere smile! Solving difficult and sometimes unsolvable problems, seeing a banal slogan, cliché and nonsense, pulls to continue about the "enemies of communism", "masters of the West" or "tartarist", so sometimes you intuitively spin the line of your opponent's monologue (it is rarely a diologue or discussion), then you return him two or three steps back and put him an unsolvable question or problem! The lover of declarations is basically blown away, starts pouring insults and complaints to the admins about the evil Cat!
              Often this comment is blacked out. For example, as today in the heading of opinions - a certain Fedorov! Most people do not accept constructive criticism. Why, if you can project Vyacheslav Olegovich, not loved by many, touch upon the sore subject of housing and sit on your hobbyhorse the role of enemies of the communists in the troubles of your beloved! All Ice, headshot!
              Good, Yesterday!
    2. -3
      5 October 2021 18: 58
      Quote: tatra
      there will be no cheap and natural products

      I don’t know Tatra, like you, but I’m buying everything much cheaper than in a store from private traders on the market. Or in private shops, bakeries. There are regular sellers who sell me all the freshest and make discounts. And if you go by car to the village, you can buy it at all cheap. There is a rabbit on the market 750 r. in the village - 500. And no matter how busy a person is, he can always organize his life in a way that is beneficial for himself. Stay awake on Sundays until 10.00:12.00 and stare at the box until XNUMX:XNUMX. And you can always find a job that is convenient for you, and again arrange it so that there is enough time for everything (and the market too). Can't do anything fools, idlers and other rabble. Why we should be equal to them, I do not understand. Everything is there - think, take and use. The problem is "think".
      1. -3
        5 October 2021 19: 02
        Ha, here is the classic mentality of the enemies of the communists, who constantly climb to discuss the life of the people in the pre-revolutionary, Soviet, post-Soviet period, with their crown "but I, I, I have ...".
        You and the USSR captured it exclusively for YOURSELF, for your secured and comfortable life at the expense of the country and the people.
        1. +3
          5 October 2021 19: 21
          Quote: tatra
          You and the USSR captured it exclusively for YOURSELF, for your secured and comfortable life at the expense of the country and the people.

          Didn't Larisa Reisner, a famous Bolshevik woman, take a bath of champagne and say: "Didn't we make the revolution for ourselves?" The "friends of the communists" did not deprive themselves of their own dear ones either. There will be an article about this, and even with what photos - shine!
          1. -2
            5 October 2021 19: 34
            What kind of cowardly mentality do the enemies of the communists have? Always, when you write about YOU, do you cowardly "switch the arrows" to others?
            And you still seriously think that you are capable of discussing the history and politics of your country.
            1. +4
              5 October 2021 20: 13
              Quote: tatra
              And you still seriously think that you are capable of discussing the history and politics of your country.

              Certainly can. I have a Ph.D. in history, an associate professor's diploma ... A lot of scientific publications ... I worked in the party archives of Moscow, Penza, Kuibyshev, Saratov. So I can ...
      2. 0
        5 October 2021 19: 11
        They carry water to the offended ..... they and there is a whole ocean)
      3. +1
        5 October 2021 19: 18
        Quote: kalibr
        I don’t know Tatra, like you, but I’m buying everything much cheaper than in a store from private traders on the market.

        By the way, about the quality of consumed "cheap" products. Today I talked with a friend about the quality of potatoes (sells on the market at 50 r / kg) and remembered a case when a woman could not find potatoes with a low (acceptable) nitrate content on the market. And the sellers shouted at her in chorus about a faulty ecotester.
        Therefore, for internal use, I prefer to take a quality product.
        1. +1
          5 October 2021 19: 58
          The fact is that now private traders do not have very good raw materials ...
        2. +1
          5 October 2021 20: 14
          If you want to eat a quality product, grow it yourself! hi
          1. +3
            5 October 2021 21: 10
            I tell the pensioners' parents why you are growing, let's buy you what you need for the whole winter. No, it's yours!
          2. -3
            6 October 2021 00: 06
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            If you want to eat a quality product, grow it yourself!

            Right. Down with the division of labor. We will knock the ground out from under the feet of capitalism.
            1. +4
              6 October 2021 04: 29
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Right. Down with the division of labor. Knocking the ground out from under the feet of capitalism

              The problem is not that, but tradition. In the Urals, during the agony before the revolution, even the factories were stopped.
              Today, I can afford to live without a subsidiary farm, but why? This is a way to save on food.
              1. -6
                6 October 2021 08: 32
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Today, I can afford to live without a subsidiary farm, but why? This is a way to save on food.

                It means that you are a poor specialist and have taken an extremely unfavorable place in the system of division of labor.
                1. +3
                  6 October 2021 08: 59
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  It means that you are a poor specialist and have taken an extremely unfavorable place in the system of division of labor.

                  Gee ..., smiled !!! If the finger is on the ceiling, then in the 100 thousand, who have achieved results and are sitting at the top of the food chain, I find myself.
                  The way of life and the division of labor are two different things. For me and my wife, the land is important, my daughter will probably bring everything to a classic dacha, with flowers.
                  1. -3
                    6 October 2021 09: 12
                    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                    The way of life and the division of labor are two different things. For me and my wife, the land is important

                    Well, why are you so? It is necessary to squeeze them out, drop by drop, as a soviet slave.
                    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                    daughter, apparently, will bring everything to a classic dacha, with flowers.

                    Follow your daughter's example. This is how modern man should behave.
                    1. +3
                      6 October 2021 09: 35
                      And what does the sovietness have to do with it? The ability to live off the ground is a tradition. If my ancestors followed it back in the middle of the 18th century, then what does the Soviet past have to do with it. For example, out of 15 acres of land, 7th were owned by my ancestors since 1743. I built my home on this land. I will live in it when I retire.
                      Although there is a saying, if you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans.
                      1. -3
                        6 October 2021 10: 05
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        then where does the Soviet past.

                        Despite the fact that this backward scoop could not completely get rid of the remnants of the agricultural economy in time.
        3. +5
          5 October 2021 20: 15
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Therefore, for internal use, I prefer to take a quality product.

          Well, I have a dacha. Therefore, carrots, onions, garlic, and potatoes are our own. And much more...
          1. +2
            5 October 2021 20: 47
            Quote: kalibr
            Well, I have a dacha. Therefore, carrots, onions, garlic, and potatoes are our own. And much more...

            And I have small requests for food and clothing and acquaintances selling a set of vegetables grown with my own hands. There are small rules in the purchase of products: I take only a proven brand or product. Pension and the availability of shops within walking distance allows you to eat very varied.
            1. +1
              5 October 2021 21: 29
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And I have small requests for food and clothing and acquaintances selling a set of vegetables grown with my own hands. There are small rules in the purchase of products: I take only a proven brand or product. Pension and the availability of shops within walking distance allows you to eat very varied

              God forbid, so everyone! what
            2. +2
              5 October 2021 21: 51
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Pension and the availability of shops within walking distance allows you to eat very varied.

              !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. +2
                6 October 2021 04: 34
                Olegovich, do not be mischievous! Pensions and shops are different.
          2. +2
            5 October 2021 21: 07
            Quote: kalibr
            Well, I have a dacha. Therefore, carrots, onions, garlic, and potatoes are our own. And much more...


            And go to the village to buy rabbits !!!
            Yernichayu, Vyacheslav Olegovich !!! For Russia, on the branch, they did not give an opinion, now he sent a regiment down to the poor Tatra.
            I will not see slogans, clichés and simply not clever comments.
            You shouldn't have remembered about the vegetable garden, they will write us down as kulaks.
            1. +4
              5 October 2021 22: 43
              And take me with you) more than 100 cans of only cucumbers with my wife were pickled for 4 families))) her mother's dacha wassat
          3. -2
            6 October 2021 00: 08
            Quote: kalibr
            Well, I have a dacha. Therefore, carrots, onions, garlic, and potatoes are our own. And much more...

            This is an extremely irrational use of the productive forces of the candidate of historical sciences.
            1. +2
              6 October 2021 06: 53
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              This is an extremely irrational use of the productive forces of the candidate of historical sciences.

              This is rest and health, with ...
        4. 0
          6 October 2021 15: 12
          According to some studies, nitrates prolong life laughing
          Moreover, ask for what purpose the athletes gag but drink beet juice. wassat
      4. +4
        5 October 2021 22: 00
        cheaper than in a store I buy from private traders in the market.
        ,, that it is doubtful Vyach.Olegovich that you can buy cheaper on the market than in a chain store.
        1. +4
          6 October 2021 06: 54
          Well, what do I need to do, to remove price tags in chain stores and price tags in our market?
      5. +4
        6 October 2021 06: 57
        Oh, as many as 14 miners. The problem is "think", right? Nothing, poor fellows? True, there are no brains, you cannot borrow from others.
    3. BAI
      0
      6 October 2021 09: 20
      In my district of Moscow, a huge plant "Hammer and Sickle" was destroyed

      And in Moscow, almost all industry has been destroyed - there is no ZIL, AZLK, and a huge number of other large and small factories. They are afraid of the proletariat, so they are liquidating it in Moscow as a class.
  8. +2
    5 October 2021 18: 37
    From the windows of a train in Russia, one can see boxes of metal garages, tiny country houses, vast cemeteries, roads strewn with rubbish (dumps), rickety wooden log houses of dark shades of gray. A bleak picture, almost miserable, and this despite the fact that in terms of natural resources, Russia is the richest country in the world.
    1. 0
      5 October 2021 18: 47
      You forgot about drunken unshaven men in sweatshirts with a bottle of vodka in their pocket, with balalaikas and accordions, and bears, everywhere bears roam the streets. laughing This methodology is not even considered as spam.
      Freebie, money can’t be poured. tongue
      1. +1
        5 October 2021 19: 26
        Quote: Silver bullet
        You forgot about drunken unshaven men in sweatshirts with a bottle of vodka in their pocket, with balalaikas and accordions, and bears, everywhere bears roam the streets.

        Haven't seen anyone like that for a long time. Actually, I probably never saw it. I saw workers drunk on Saturday on our Proletarskaya street. The sobering-up station opposite the Strela store - I saw it. Who from Penza will confirm. He was there. But they were all shaved then. There are unshaven ones now, but mostly Central Asians, and they are dressed well. There is a lot of vodka in stores, but they take it very moderately, only one drunk constantly - my neighbor is an old man from the fifth floor. It doesn't dry out.
        1. -1
          5 October 2021 19: 33
          I did not write this to you, but to the storyteller above. request
    2. +7
      5 October 2021 18: 59
      And on what route? Mine is listed: Samara-Anapa. Ride, let your eyes rest.
  9. +7
    5 October 2021 18: 40
    For a long time I have not traveled far away, except to Moscow for a wedding. I read it, it became envious. From April to September once, sadistic affairs prevail, and now grandchildren with kindergartens, schools, swimming pools and others.
    And relatives and friends from the countryside complain that the fields are abandoned, livestock, even chickens are more expensive, who to believe, you will understand hell. And then the law was also adopted, small animals cannot be kept in garden associations, and why is unclear. And I like it, the roosters crow, the geese cackle, just like in the village.
    1. +1
      5 October 2021 19: 38
      Quote: Ros 56
      now grandchildren

      Take your grandchildren and go. Where I was, many were with their grandchildren !!! The most "grandson's place". Then say thank you to me!
  10. +1
    5 October 2021 18: 44
    The author shakes up for Rostovism? Well, OK. Sochi 4 stars all inclusive for a week 470k for two with a child. For this money, it is easier to go to Italy and rent a villa there. Villa !!!!!
    1. +4
      5 October 2021 19: 30
      Haven't you read the article? **** and Sochi have never seduced me. I was there in Sochi, but I didn't like it. Some show-off. But if you ask, you can have a very good rest, much cheaper and better.
    2. +3
      5 October 2021 19: 37
      Quote: FireLake
      For this money, it is easier to go to Italy and rent a villa there. Villa !!!!!

      I have also been to Italy and I know the prices there.
    3. -2
      6 October 2021 09: 40
      you lied a lot, you have to rent a private hotel !!! 3500-4000 this is a great room on the beach for a day !!!!
      1. +2
        6 October 2021 12: 43
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        3500-4000 this is a great room on the beach for a day !!!!

        And you can, Nastya, and even cheaper, for 2800 for three!
        1. -2
          6 October 2021 14: 11
          And it can be even cheaper:
          Generally come by car with a tent. Only this is not a rest, but a survival and the conditions of searching for a toilet not pissed off by Obama. And with a child who is 1.5 years old, this is generally a quest.
          The sea is dirty everywhere: treatment facilities go out to sea. So the rest in the growing south is really very strong, which is also insanely expensive. On the infrastructure of the rest of Russia:
          Let's take the nearest cities to Moscow ... so there is a fierce hell: there are no roads, no work, no money, but what is there next? Areas of civilization in a sea of ​​terror?
          And believe me so on 70% of the territory.
          1. +3
            6 October 2021 15: 19
            sewage treatment plants go out to sea - this is in all countries)))) you have not seen the sea of ​​marble in turkey))) there is not water, but a continuous city.
            with a tent it is very cool, you can find a calm quiet place and have a great rest
            Let's take the nearest cities to Moscow ... so there is a fierce hell: there are no roads, no work, no money, but what is there next? Areas of civilization in a sea of ​​terror?
            And believe so on 70% of the territory


            this is generally nonsense of a snickering Muscovite
        2. +2
          6 October 2021 15: 15
          I know that it is possible, I wrote that for 3500 it will be a super number, for any requirements
          1. -3
            6 October 2021 22: 15
            4 stars. Booking for June is now 13 nights 350k +/-. I want to relax and not overcome.
            1. +1
              7 October 2021 06: 24
              2500 days here is the average price for three !!! and you can find it in 5 million 10 days
              1. -2
                7 October 2021 15: 44
                In a bedbug and a tent. Again, this is not a vacation, but an attempt to survive in a hostile environment.
                In the spring I went to Kaliningrad. Week 140k. Well, the prices are the same)))
                1. -1
                  8 October 2021 06: 43
                  what kind of bug? you write nonsense, such as you need to leave our beautiful country, but most likely you are just a troll
                  1. -3
                    8 October 2021 09: 06
                    Do you decide who will live in this country? However, don't you take on a lot, the lady? I pay taxes and have the right to demand that the authorities fulfill their promises. Although the order is already tired of the booth of people like you and of the grabbing of those who are in power. That is why my child will be studying in Europe. Away from powerless uryakolok and stupid thieves.
                    Now you need to start rubbing homosexuals and so on, just do not forget that the blue light is blue ...
                    1. -1
                      8 October 2021 14: 22
                      Moreover, the power and the ashot who rents housing
  11. +4
    5 October 2021 18: 44
    I don’t know why I have such an association after reading, but for some reason I remembered. and also an earthworm.
  12. +8
    5 October 2021 19: 00
    There are not enough descriptions of the cars in the memoirs. What were the coupe, reserved seat? I will add. At the same time, I began to travel, from the end of the 50s. The first trip at the age of three in 1958 to Alushta from Orenburg via Moscow. The car is a compartment car, occupied by the whole family (there are four of us). The walls of the compartment are blue, with a pattern. There is a table lamp on the table. a separate ladder-bench, it is convenient to sit on it at the table and climb onto the upper shelf. The locomotive was pulling, the green one was the passenger locomotive, the freight ones were black, with a big red star. The next time - Tashkent, 1962, the car is the same, but it was already pulled by a diesel locomotive, it seems, TE-3. In 1967 there was a trip to Sevastopol, to the tourist center of the KCHF. The car is already gray inside, Ammendorff, made in the GDR, they were there until the end of the 90s, the lamp on the table disappeared. Then, from 1967 to the end of the 90s, he traveled a lot in GDR cars, their interior began to deteriorate sharply since 1991, that is, with the collapse of the USSR. Improvements began only in the 2007s - dry closets, air conditioners, etc. During a trip to St. Petersburg in 60, Chinese tourists did a lot - they broke both dry closets in Krasnaya Arrow. Well, it was not far to go. What was outside in 80-1991 - everywhere almost everything is exactly the same, in the Kuban and in the Ukraine, of course, they lived more richly, and in the Fergana Valley too. The shabby houses had to be looked for more, but they had to strain very hard. He who seeks will always find. The author of the note found. The collapse began in 5, the dirtiest were Central Asian trains (Tashkent, No. 25, Frunzensky No. 67, I can be mistaken with the number of the latter). Ukrainian trains (Simferopol # 79) also became a wreck. I saw the non-black earth, when I went to 81-70 to Karelia and Kola, it was dying. It was dying only because Khrushch Kukuruzny sent funds to the failed Virgin Land, and when Brezhnev proclaimed a course for reclamation of the Non-Black Earth Region (mid-XNUMXs), there was no longer any able-bodied population left there.
    1. +4
      5 October 2021 19: 36
      Nice addition. But for some reason I don't remember the cars. I remember that until 1985 they were all compartments. In 1968 - Moscow-Bucharest-Varna was gorgeous, I remember. But this is not typical. I remember how in the 90s I was traveling in some Central Asian train at night. So ... did not sleep. I could not touch anything there, there was such a g ...
      1. +6
        5 October 2021 19: 47
        I remember how in the 90s I was traveling in some Central Asian train at night.

        Here I am about it. The USSR was already over then. And in the 70s, he often traveled from Moscow to Orenburg on Central Asian trains - cleanliness, comfort, good tea from bowls. These are Tashkent, Andijan and Frunzensky trains. They were then supported by the Union Ministry of Railways. And since 1991 they have been kept by sovereign Basmachi with appropriate views on order.
      2. +3
        5 October 2021 20: 40
        Nice addition. But for some reason I don't remember the cars. I remember that until 1985 they were all compartments. In 1968 - Moscow-Bucharest-Varna was gorgeous, I remember. But this is not typical. I remember how in the 90s I was traveling in some Central Asian train at night. So ... did not sleep. I could not touch anything there, there was such a g ...

        I also traveled in different cars. I remember the Ritsa train, traveling Moscow-Tuapse, still a student, in the GDRovsky
        in a sleeping car, in a compartment with a washbasin and an armchair, a luxurious car, in the compartment you could smoke, the smoke instantly disappeared. The ticket cost about 30 rubles, could afford it, moonlighting. I also traveled on the 3rd shelf in a common carriage, from Gorky to Leningrad, this is tough.
        Now it's not so romantic, you can't open the window, you can't smoke in the vestibule, and you can't even drink in the reserved seat. Grandmothers with pies, young potatoes and lightly salted cucumbers were driven off the platforms ...
        I also remember a picture with grandmothers running across the border at the Chertkovo-Melovoe station, where the tracks go along the border with Ukraine, Ukrainian border guards were guarding the pedestrian bridge across the tracks, and women directly along the tracks to suitable trains ... now they have let the trains take a detour.
      3. +1
        6 October 2021 06: 33
        It's just that you were probably lucky, and people were ready to go and went in general, since there were very big problems with tickets in the summer and they were sold for passing trains upon arrival, when the head of the train gives information about the availability of seats at the ticket office of the station. And there was a choke. At 70 it became easier, or maybe there were more trains, and it became possible to order tickets in advance.
    2. -2
      6 October 2021 00: 16
      Quote: Aviator_
      and when Brezhnev proclaimed a course for reclamation of the Non-Black Earth Region (mid-70s), there was no longer any able-bodied population left there.

      So it is not left that up to now this population is being raked out by big cities. Normal conditions for the population had to be created. To raise labor productivity by improving labor automation, breeding new varieties and breeds, and creating new technologies. At that time, there were an oversupply of people in the countryside. Even now, this has survived.
    3. +1
      7 October 2021 08: 01
      Quote: Aviator_
      Frunzensky No. 25, I can be mistaken with the number of the latter

      Wrong, no. 17
      1. 0
        7 October 2021 08: 06
        This means that Dushanbe was # 25
  13. +8
    5 October 2021 19: 11
    Good article, but what is striking. As lackeys, so SOVIET, and as cultural fields, then CHILDHOOD, which was probably SOVIET.
    1. +3
      5 October 2021 19: 33
      Quote: Eula
      that CHILDHOOD, which for certain was SOVIET.

      Yes, of course, but what's wrong with that? Many adjectives are the same - bad style. I liked the fields, but not at home. Now I like both fields and houses. 80%. The remaining 20% ​​have not changed.
      1. +7
        5 October 2021 20: 45
        Now I like both fields and houses. 80%. The remaining 20% ​​- unchanged

        When in Italy I was traveling by train from Florence to Rome, then along the road there was also a depressive landscape with abandoned farm houses in the middle of the fields, large agricultural producers won. And the houses are like Celentano's in "The Taming of the Shrew." Time has passed ...
        1. +1
          5 October 2021 22: 48
          Many do not understand, in the whole of Europe, too, not everything is going smoothly.
      2. -1
        6 October 2021 00: 19
        Quote: kalibr
        80%. The remaining 20% ​​have not changed.

        According to Pareto? laughing
    2. +6
      5 October 2021 19: 33
      Heavy soviet childhood, what can you say ... It happened so for the author. It's not like that for me, although we are about the same age as him. Only the specialties are different.
      1. +5
        5 October 2021 20: 07
        Quote: Aviator_
        Heavy soviet childhood, what can you say ... It happened so for the author. It's not like that for me, although we are about the same age as him. Only the specialties are different.

        Yes, okay, Sergei, great soviet childhood! good
        1. +6
          5 October 2021 20: 12
          So I say that I had a wonderful Soviet childhood in the garrison town! And how much technology! And how great it was to play in the IL-28 navigator's cockpit!
          1. +2
            5 October 2021 22: 50
            I managed to sit in the cabin as a child in the decommissioned 21 Miga))) I still remember ......!)
      2. 0
        5 October 2021 20: 18
        Quote: Aviator_
        Heavy soviet childhood, what can I say.

        Not heavy, but ... specific. There will be an art book about a happy Soviet childhood. While the preparation of the material is in progress.
        1. -1
          6 October 2021 00: 21
          Quote: kalibr
          There will be an art book about a happy Soviet childhood.

          With gulags and famines?
          1. +2
            6 October 2021 06: 43
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            With gulags and famines?

            1954 to 1972 year.
            1. -2
              6 October 2021 08: 31
              Quote: kalibr
              1954 to 1972 year.

              With egalitarianism, poverty, scarcity and punitive psychiatry?
              1. +2
                6 October 2021 09: 18
                What do children have to do with punitive psychiatry? And the deficit at that time was very peculiar. For example, until 1979 I practically did not feel it. There was a problem with American jeans ... 250 rubles. a little expensive for the pants. But they didn't have to be worn. And so excellent Yugoslavian shoes in the village selmag cost 40 rubles. (bought in the 77th). So don't be creative. It was not the same poverty, the wrong leveling, and the wrong deficit. Not everything is as simple as you think or want to imagine. It will not be written for fools!
                1. -2
                  6 October 2021 10: 10
                  Quote: kalibr
                  What do children have to do with punitive psychiatry?

                  Brainwashing with soviet ideology.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  And the deficit at that time was very peculiar.

                  The originality was in the totality.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  everything is as simple as you think or want to imagine. It will not be written for fools!

                  Late. I was already imbued with your liberal ideas that the scoop was a complete nightmare and horror.
                  1. +3
                    6 October 2021 10: 30
                    I wrote that the book will not be written for you. What else do you want? And for children it will be, who already have a vague idea of ​​that time.
                    1. -3
                      6 October 2021 14: 32
                      And for children it will be, who already have a vague idea of ​​that time.

                      They are not interested.
  14. +5
    5 October 2021 20: 01
    Good storytelling. Thanks.
    It really is "chaos in the minds", but unfortunately the author was driving to priority places ... where either agriculture (confident farming) is possible, or the tourism business, or investments from the federal authorities.
    The people need time and help so that, as before, everyone is in business.
    There are regions where, without investments from the authorities, it is difficult to twist the flywheel of their own economy or entrepreneurship, and for a banal reason - there is no resource where to start and for whom (we have the most difficult sales, I know this from a farmer friend)
    1. -2
      6 October 2021 00: 27
      Quote: valentin light
      The people need time and help so that, as before, everyone is in business.

      This is impossible under capitalism.
      Quote: valentin light
      Our sales is the most difficult thing

      That's right. The population is generally poor due to the wildest stratification of income and the destruction of industry. And the hell who will let you go to foreign markets so easily. These are the jerks and breakthroughs.
      1. +4
        6 October 2021 06: 45
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        And the hell who will let you go to foreign markets so easily.

        The TANKOMASTER company went there without any problems in the 90s and operated until the mid-2000s. Then it got hard. It was necessary to choose. Or write or business. I chose the first one.
        1. -1
          6 October 2021 08: 39
          Quote: kalibr
          The TANKOMASTER company went there without any problems in the 90s and operated until the mid-2000s.

          If this market was important, you would not be allowed there. And one company does not make the weather.
          1. +4
            6 October 2021 09: 12
            Makar! In Cyprus alone, 15000 Russian companies are registered in the offshore zone. And more ... a lot in the Cayman Islands, Guernsey and Jersey, Gibraltar, the Labrador Peninsula, and now also on the island of Vanuita. "Not allowed" - this is your nonsense, generated by our propaganda like that in England everyone is starving, and the end of everything is foreseen. You do not understand this and are forced to feed on the fables of our media. And I worked for three years as a regional representative of the British company "Ukei Intertois", from 1998 to 2001, and I know this business in every detail. This is done in the following way: you advertise in relevant information sources or directly contact potential partners or investors. "I have" or "I want" - and every second or even ten calls out of 11 are "cold". But the rest are triggered and the case started. But, of course, one must count. In Penza, for example, we have a manufacturer of branded sportswear that is supplied to the German and US markets. There is a manufacturer ... of boilers for oil and gas rig personnel. There is a lot. Well, I'm not talking about REM and Sibnickel. 50% of European factories work on our rare earth metals, and in the USA every second "leg" of Boeing liners is made of our titanium.
            1. +2
              6 October 2021 09: 53
              Quote: kalibr
              In Cyprus alone, 15000 Russian companies are registered in the offshore zone.

              Well this is yes. We can do that. I remember how one regional company in which I previously worked was sending money to Cypriot accounts. Apparently for internal Russian trade, there is no way without it. Don't tell me about the Cypriot offshore companies. There, for every first Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, he cries.
              Quote: kalibr
              delirium generated by our propaganda

              Nonsense is that someone will let you in a brotherly way on the market and sell advanced technologies. As for England, I have no illusions. They are just the same with you. About capitalist altruism and philanthropy.
              1. +4
                6 October 2021 10: 46
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                As for England, I have no illusions.
                How many books and articles have you published there? I have four books and a bunch of articles, and I worked as a regional representative for their companies. I remembered about "Ukei Intertois" and completely forgot about "Svenson and Brown". Also the best memories were preserved. There was never a reason to doubt the deception on their part or the dishonest performance of obligations. It is the same now - cooperation with museums is going very well, and everything is free. To cooperate with our museums - you need to have lunch first and be patient, and also prepare a fat wallet.
                1. -1
                  6 October 2021 10: 53
                  Quote: kalibr
                  How many books and articles have you published there?

                  Practice is the criterion of truth. And in practice, they show us a fig as soon as we want to use advanced technology. And not only to us, but also to China.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  How many books and articles have you published there?

                  And if we compare you with literary drummers like some kind of Dontsova? smile
                  Quote: kalibr
                  There was never a reason to doubt the deception on their part or the dishonest performance of obligations.

                  Of course. But you didn't order mistrals from them.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  To cooperate with our museums - you need to have lunch first and be patient, and also prepare a fat wallet.

                  Normal such wild capitalism. What doesn't suit you?
                  1. +2
                    6 October 2021 12: 34
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    And if we compare you with literary drummers like some kind of Dontsova?

                    Don't compare ... to a finger, right?
                    1. -1
                      6 October 2021 13: 09
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Don't compare ... to a finger, right?

                      Fi. What a low syllable. Apparently, communication with your low-class relatives negatively affects you.
                      1. +2
                        6 October 2021 19: 26
                        In my opinion, just at your level. But the point here is in the legacy of the past: he was born and raised on Proletarskaya Street, from childhood he listened to ... folklore. But I want to warn you about the violation of the site rules. The author of the article and his relatives are not discussed, but only the article. It will be worse if the moderators pay attention to it.
                  2. +2
                    6 October 2021 12: 37
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Normal such wild capitalism. What doesn't suit you?

                    This means that capitalism in England is not wild! It is necessary for us to do so too.
                  3. +1
                    6 October 2021 12: 39
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    And in practice, they show us a fig as soon as we want to use advanced technology.

                    How do you know about this? From our media, right? Or did the seven-uncle's grandfather tell his cousin?
                    1. -2
                      6 October 2021 13: 07
                      Quote: kalibr
                      How do you know about this? From our media, right? Or did the seven-uncle's grandfather tell his cousin?

                      Exclusively from your liberal sources. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asml-holding-usa-china-insight-idUSKBN1Z50HN
                      1. +2
                        6 October 2021 19: 22
                        Do you mean Ivan Danilin's article on the US technological war with China? I didn’t find anything interesting on your link.
                2. 0
                  6 October 2021 22: 09
                  I have four books and a bunch of articles

                  And the quality of the printed matter? With revolvers in which cartridges are loaded into a "cylinder"? With allegations that in 1926 in the USSR they were given life imprisonment? Further reluctance to remember, there are all kinds of brewers ...
                  1. 0
                    7 October 2021 07: 28
                    Sergey! You seem to be an intelligent person, Ph.D., that is, of the same circle with me, but write nonsense. Articles, especially translated ones, are one thing for an online publication. And the books for which the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation gives you grants, and even in our conditions, and even to someone from the provinces, is a little different. As you know, they are peer-reviewed, right? And often collectively, you also know, right? And who and what reviewers are indicated at the end of the book. Is it enough or is it enough? Moreover, I'll tell you. It makes no sense to me to "catch fleas" named by you. This is minuscule for 1530 articles. Don't bother. You will correct it. Comments + views = correction. Isn't it, everything is going in the best way. I inserted all the corrections - and the book. Is not it? So, like Makar, I can advise you not to compare ... with a finger.
                    1. +2
                      7 October 2021 08: 05
                      Ph.D., that is, the same circle with me,

                      Well no need to compare Ph.D. и Ph.D. We are of a different circle. Indeed, a comparison with a finger, according to your own figurative expression.
                      1. 0
                        7 October 2021 15: 17
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        finger comparison

                        Really. I didn't think that. Indeed, in Soviet times, if I am not mistaken, to get a Ph.D. in addition to publications, a certificate of implementation was needed, but the humanities did not need it. Which, of course, greatly reduced the possibility of obtaining it. But I meant the situation as a whole, basically, so to speak. However, this by no means excludes the fact that you should know everything that I wrote about in my answer above. Or are we so much from different circles that you just did not know all of the above? Strange and amazing!
              2. +1
                6 October 2021 10: 51
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                There, for every first Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, he cries.

                In the Russian Federation, there is no law prohibiting having a company abroad and managing it. And transfer money to her account! This is your business and no one has the right to poke their nose into it. Anything that is not prohibited by the LAW is POSSIBLE!
                1. 0
                  6 October 2021 14: 36
                  Anything that is not prohibited by the LAW is POSSIBLE!

                  Seriously??? That is why the owners of companies in jail for two years sit until the companies rewrite ...
                  When you recall your experience 20 years ago, make an amendment to the time and modern laws)
                  1. +1
                    6 October 2021 19: 13
                    A stone's throw from my house is a billboard announcing the recruitment of seamstresses for a sportswear firm. This is not a 20-year-old experience. It is today. A billboard is not an advertisement on the NETWORK or in a newspaper. EVERYONE sees it. The company supplies products to the USA and Germany. And there is a lot more. Just writing for a long time
                    1. -2
                      7 October 2021 15: 53
                      Is it also written on the billboard about the supplies?
                      1. +2
                        7 October 2021 21: 00
                        No. I know about deliveries ... through my channels. Born, you know, in his own city. I know a lot of people and a lot of things about many ...
                      2. -1
                        7 October 2021 21: 29
                        And what are they sending? The United States and China have much closer economic cooperation than Russia and the United States. True, labor in China has become a little more expensive than in Russia ... but the quality in Russia is at zero.
                        I have only alcohol wipes from Russian at work. The rest is Germany and the USA.
                      3. 0
                        8 October 2021 06: 52
                        Quote: FireLake
                        And what are they sending? The United States and China have much closer economic cooperation than Russia and the United States. True, labor in China has become a little more expensive than in Russia ... but the quality in Russia is at zero.

                        You are not right. For example, I am familiar with a company that sews handbags. The material is Chinese. But they sew not worse, but better than China. They trade all over Russia, up to Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. I'm not talking about coats (this is another company) - they are supplied to Kazakhstan (well, I would not boast about it, but it is) and throughout the country. But sportswear is Germany and the USA. And the quality suits them.
                      4. -1
                        8 October 2021 09: 08
                        Drop the site in a personal. At least I'm surprised. But it's like with fresh food after which it's hard to go to the toilet
                      5. 0
                        8 October 2021 11: 32
                        I threw it off. By the way, they have very good men's bags. Just shine!
                      6. -1
                        8 October 2021 12: 37
                        I prefer not to interfere with our production: the quality is lame from batch to batch
            2. 0
              6 October 2021 20: 02
              and in the USA every second leg of Boeing liners is made of our titanium.

              Is it ours? Who owns the Verkhnyaya Salda plant?
      2. 0
        6 October 2021 10: 53
        Equalization was only in the USSR, and then there were more "equal".
        Everywhere in the world there is an income stratification. Parreto's law is formulated as "20% of efforts give 80% of the result, and the remaining 80% of efforts - only 20% of the result." Can be used as a basic setting for many applications.


        About the difficulty of selling agricultural products, I did not take "from the ceiling", but briefly conveyed the story of a familiar farmer.
        There were procurement offices in the USSR, in the USA and now there are farmers' exchanges, but we have to contrive to push the lot into the Hypermarket or we will have to sell to dealers so that the goods do not rot. This is not a harvest from 6 acres - this is almost a small-scale industrial production of other volumes and prices.


        Regarding the "destroyed proizvrdstva" is this a joke you please?

        Recently, they launched Three satellites for the UK at once, yesterday they set up a group for filming a film on the ISS, and even the Times noted this.
        Factories are working, we are launching new aircraft and ships.
        Yes, not every EU country has such a production.

        If there are problems, it is definitely something else, but not in production.
        1. -1
          6 October 2021 11: 48
          Quote: valentin light
          Everywhere in the world there is an income stratification.

          Thanks, Cap. At the same time, the distribution of labor results is extremely unfair. And moreover, it also puts a spoke in the wheels of the economy.
          Quote: valentin light
          Regarding the "destroyed proizvrdstva" is this a joke you please?

          Statistics from Rosstat to help you. What kind of jokes?
          1. 0
            6 October 2021 12: 11
            Rosstat on "paper" or real production with jobs that were not there under Gorbachev?

            Did we understand each other correctly?

            There will always be “income stratification”. What are you talking about ?!
            Already tried to remove all the rich in 1918, so only the "poor" turned out.
            Stability indicator
            the state means the presence of a middle class and it does not matter that the income and it will be different.

            "Middle class" - a social group of the population with SUSTAINABLE incomes sufficient to satisfy a wide range of material benefits and social needs
            It was not by chance that I said about Parreto's law - the norm is when 80% provide income in excess of 20%, but when 80% provide their income at the expense of 20%, then this is an anomaly.

            At a higher rate
            on "Middle class" was in the USSR in 1974.

            We do not yet have a pronounced middle class in Russia, even a loyal Sberbank classifies only 47% of Russia's population as the middle class.

            With the development of production, we can reach 60%, but without leaving the dollar economy and without reforms, including energy carriers with the entry of more Russian goods on the market, this is difficult to implement.
            1. -2
              6 October 2021 12: 25
              Quote: valentin light
              Rosstat on "paper" or real production with jobs that were not there under Gorbachev?

              Rosstat has a very deplorable picture even with pulling by the ears.
              Quote: valentin light
              There will always be “income stratification”. What are you talking about ?!

              The fact that everyone should receive according to work, and not as we can. For some, the soup is empty, for others, the pearls are small.
              Quote: valentin light
              They tried to remove all the rich in 1918, and only the "poor" turned out.

              Now, 30 years later, the result is somehow not very different for the better. And in many ways this is generally the worst.
              Quote: valentin light
              At a higher rate
              on "Middle class" was in the USSR in 1974.

              So in the USSR there were only poor people in your words?
              Quote: valentin light
              With the development of production, we can reach 60%, but without leaving the dollar economy and without reforms, including energy carriers with the entry of more Russian goods on the market, this is difficult to implement.

              Yeah. I've heard that before. We have to endure for another 30 years, and then either a padishah or a donkey.
              1. +1
                6 October 2021 12: 52
                Please be more attentive .... - in 1918 they removed the "rich" ... - these are my words.
                And the late USSR is not an exalted, fiery revolutionaries striving to "kindle a world revolution."
                Any state that starts with radical views and sooner or later must begin to reckon with citizens and make them more loyal and not repeat "excesses".
                At the 5th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Stalin noted in his speech that "some kind of burning head forced the peasants by all legal and illegal means to join collective farms in order to fulfill the collectivization plan, which greatly damaged the Soviet era."
                And the uprising in Tambov in 1921, that frightened that they had abandoned the ChON and the grocery stores.

                By 1974, the USSR WAS A FAIR state with social programs taken over by the countries of northern Europe.


                I'm sorry, I don't really know what you've heard for 30 years, but now it looks like something needs to be changed, like in 1974 it was necessary to carry out Kosygin's reforms, which they successfully carried out in China.
                1) a national idea is needed
                2) a program, such as Kosyginskaya .... for the promotion of the economy.
                1. -1
                  6 October 2021 13: 21
                  Quote: valentin light
                  At the 5th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Stalin noted in his speech that "some kind of burning head forced the peasants by all legal and illegal means to join collective farms in order to fulfill the collectivization plan, which greatly damaged the Soviet era."

                  Here Stalin is a little cunning. For if they were driven into collective farms only by persuasion, the epic would have stretched for more than a dozen years.
                  Quote: valentin light
                  By 1974, the USSR WAS A FAIR state with social programs taken over by the countries of northern Europe.

                  And then suddenly the just state collapsed. This is bullshit. There was no justice that should have been under communism.
                  Quote: valentin light
                  I'm sorry, I don't really know what you've heard for 30 years, but now it looks like something needs to be changed, like in 1974 it was necessary to carry out Kosygin's reforms, which they successfully carried out in China.

                  Do you understand that China, in fact, with its reforms slipped into National Socialism? Are you sure that this is what humanity needs?
                  Quote: valentin light
                  1) a national idea is needed

                  Such an idea cannot be built on the basis of our current economy.
                  Quote: valentin light
                  2) a program, such as Kosyginskaya .... for the promotion of the economy.

                  More specifically? It is necessary for those who are now with money and power? What are the reasons for them?
                  1. +1
                    6 October 2021 13: 34
                    Are you arguing with me? :)

                    By the way, about 1918-1928, an interesting topic.
                    But according to Stalin's speech, there are many opinions from those who support it, to those who consider it demagoguery.
                    But one thing is certain that Stalin's opinion on the ground (in the collective farms and villages they took into account)

                    Do you think collectivization was needed by this method?
                    Nestor Makhno created agricultural cooperatives in the territory he controlled back in 1918 and there were no riots and coercions.
  15. +7
    5 October 2021 20: 13

    Bank of the river. Chusovoy in the suburb of Kungur. From the train window.
  16. +6
    5 October 2021 20: 22
    what to say. Prior to this pandemic, they traveled from St. Petersburg in the spring to Kislovodsk and in the fall in Sochi. It can be seen through the window of the carriage that Russia is getting prettier and prettier every year. And even before Voronezh, the landscape begins like any Czech Republic or Austria. All fields are sown to the last inch. There are many new houses in the villages. Not the castles of the rich. There are many renovated houses in the villages. The hibar is getting smaller and smaller every year. And here's the strange thing: there is a new large stone house. Luxurious courtyard and garden. There is a jeep in the yard. And in the garden in the spring, the owners weed the beds in the evening with a hoe. Well done, he does not get out of the habit of working in his own garden, although it is clear from the abundance that they could then just buy vegetables at the bazaar. And so almost from Rezan through Voronezh and then far beyond Voronezh. And then night - even if you go there, even back - invisible through the window of the carriage. All stations and aprons are in perfect order. The old ladies and gypsies used to trade, now all this is in beautiful and sterile kiosks right next to the carriages.
    The carriages are in excellent condition, either double-deck or single-deck. The guides are polite. There are dry closets in the carriages, and in double-deck cars there is also a bush cabin in each carriage. And what herds graze when you drive from Kislovodsk to Dombai is so simply impressive. Herds of horses, flocks of sheep and goats, herds of cows. I do not know how it is anywhere from St. Petersburg in the direction of Vologda or Murmansk, but what I myself saw with my own eyes in the other direction, I praise Russia about this.
    They say that Altai Territory has blossomed in a similar way. Well done, and there is no need to whimper that it is bad in Russia now. I see that every year it gets better and better where I have been ...
    1. +1
      5 October 2021 22: 53
      There are no Tatras on you))) But I agree with you in many respects !!! drinks
      1. 0
        5 October 2021 23: 01
        Quote: Alien From
        There are no Tatras on you)))

        So there is truth behind Irina, if you remember her with a kind word. Yes
        1. +1
          5 October 2021 23: 18
          Maybe there is) in the past ...
          1. -1
            5 October 2021 23: 19
            Quote: Alien From
            Maybe there is) in the past ...

            True, it is like that, either it exists or not, both in the past and in the future. smile
            1. +1
              5 October 2021 23: 24
              Of course, only now is the real one)))
        2. +3
          6 October 2021 06: 46
          Quote: Stroporez
          So there is truth behind Irina, if you remember her with a kind word.

          Unkind ...
    2. -1
      6 October 2021 00: 33
      Quote: north 2
      I see that every year it gets better and better where I have been ...

      But it is not clear if everything is getting better and better, why our GDP growth over the past 10 years resembles a statistical error. Inflation reached double digits. Incomes in the mass are rooted to the spot and the decline in the birth rate with the rise in mortality. Of course there is no disaster yet. But the trend in this regard is encouraging. We are accelerating the movement towards the abyss.
      1. +2
        6 October 2021 06: 47
        Suitcase, station, train and on my route ... It is recommended to open your eyes wider.
  17. +8
    5 October 2021 20: 27
    In fact - "plowed slopes, and fields to the very edge of the water" is not good at all from the point of view of ecology and economics. It is impossible, everything must be plowed clean. Otherwise it will be like in the 50s at Khrushch with virgin lands. Or for the Americans with the "Dusty Cauldron" at 30. These are extremes, it is necessary to leave the territory under forests and meadows. By the way, ravines appear because of too greedy plowing
  18. 0
    5 October 2021 20: 54
    Quote: Silver bullet
    about drunken unshaven men in sweatshirts with a bottle of vodka in their pocket, with balalaikas and accordions, and bears, everywhere bears roam the streets.

    Note, I did not write about this.
  19. +5
    5 October 2021 21: 02
    Camarades hi
    In general, I agree with the author.
    But you can see a more detailed picture from the car window. I went to the South by car in 2010. Samara-Saratov-Volgograd-Salsk-Krasnodar-Tuapse.
    There were no roads in Saratov at that time, as I cannot say now, and even restrictions on highway 40. At home, as the author described, “complete devastation”. Volgograd has been completely renovated throughout. What struck at the entrance to the Krasnodar Territory, Cleanliness. Precisely with a capital letter, there is no debris on the track, even the trees of the forest belt are whitewashed! And not a piece of non-planted land with household plants, in comparison with Saratov ob. I liked Tikhoretsk, clean, bright houses. There is a flower garden in front of every house!
    And the roads !!!! I liked the inscriptions when you go along the serpentine, "The driver does not increase the speed over 90"!
    This year by train.
    Green energy in the south!
    1. +1
      7 October 2021 22: 31
      ,,, some more photos from the carriage window for August this year Yes



  20. +3
    5 October 2021 21: 24
    I read it ... from those living in Russia, not to say that the problem is ... but you are different, you look at life differently and no offense will be said, but you are always the second (I do not mean that living in the EU I am ahead) , I will cite, for example, Croatia, or Slovenia (I traveled by car on trips many times) there are projects you take out a loan (believe at the beginning you could not give it back, but the freebie ended) you build a house with devices for 6 apartments, you live in 2 by yourself, and 4 you rent, but the reality is that you clean it yourself, repair it yourself, everything yourself ... but you also make money on it ... but the point is that there is no such program in Russia, although the country is huge, the potential is huge ... .but ... you look at life differently ...
  21. +4
    5 October 2021 21: 35
    I like trains. Including because of fellow travelers. They are different, very different, but there is always something interesting. And there are such conversations ... that sometimes a loved one will not be told, it is very easy to tell a casual acquaintance on the train ..
    "Carriage disputes are the last thing, when there is nothing more to drink, but the train goes on, the bottle is empty and wants to talk .. '(c)
    1. +1
      6 October 2021 01: 03
      The trains themselves will soon change the same, and radically design as an example of new shunting routes for Russian Railways
  22. +3
    5 October 2021 23: 18
    About the view from the train window, well, this would take 3-4 hours, if from childhood, with feeling, with sense, with memories of taste, colors and smells. If about the last 2,5 years ...
    The most-very train Moscow Voronezh-Moscow with 2-storey cars, although I took a 1st class carriage on the 2nd floor of a chair. There are a minimum of stops, fast, clean, tasty. From the 2nd floor there is a wonderful view of Ryazan, Michurinsk. I went through the Voronezh reserve in April - everything is blue from the flowers along the paths. I was driving back with my eldest daughter and granddaughter, they took tickets to the children's carriage, they were satisfied with everything: the chairs, the toilet, the play area, the TV, and drink and eat. Our branded Arkhangelsk (Severodvinsk) - Moscow "Pomorie" comfortable, clean, polite staff. But for some reason, in 2021, the dining car, either Covid-19, or another reason, disappeared ...
    The eldest daughter moved with her family from Voronezh to Moscow first, then they settled in Odintsovo. Her husband now works in Moscow. We went to them in SV carriages with my wife in August 2020 and in June-July 2021. The carriages were without a shower, but the air conditioners were running at 5, an ordinary washbasin was enough. That's all we are looking for a national idea in the country. I suggest: "We will defeat the hogweed!" And Moscow, and Yaroslavl, and Vologda, and now our Arkhangelsk, mainly in the south of the region - from the window in many places for tens of meters 2-meter umbrellas. The youngest daughter from St. Petersburg in June arrived at the same time with us in Odintsovo. I decided to sleep in the night not in a chair (she mostly uses the "Sapsan" or "Nevsky Express") and got on some southern train, it seems to Adler. And it, like the trains from Murmansk, was allowed through the new Eastern Station in Moscow. My daughters did not like him very much. The train stood only 10 minutes, the platform is narrow, people are in a hurry to get off and people are in a hurry to get into the car, and it takes longer to get to the Belorussky railway station than from the Leningradsky one. We saw the youngest off to St. Petersburg to receive honors from ITMO University from the Leningradsky railway station in Moscow, and the granddaughter wanted to eat. Buying food is not a problem, the problem is to find an urn. They stand in the center of the hall near the escalators on the 2nd floor. Apparently, the departmental security of Russian Railways decided that there are many ballot boxes - many places for laying IEDs for potential terrorists, and so - one place under the gun of guards and video cameras ...
    Russian Railways is a kind of monopolist. In November, my wife and I will go to our youngest daughter in St. Petersburg. For many years, there have been no SV carriages on the Arkhangelsk-Saint Petersburg train. And in the compartment cars there are no dry closets and air conditioners. While the train runs over the Northern Dvina, it will reach Isakogorka, it will take 10 minutes, it will pass the village of Dorozhnikov, and then the owner of two carriages (Russian Railways optimizes whoever is needed, if you don’t like it - fly by plane!) Will open the toilets. If you want to admire the Northern Dvina and ships under loading for gas and oil workers on the Left Bank, icebreakers in the buildings of the river-sea station, which we see on a 500-ruble bill, look at the pipes of the Arkhangelsk PPM and the former LDK im. Lenin - check in the toilet at the Arkhangelsk-gorod station, since now you don't need to show the ticket when entering the railway station toilet ... The train costs half an hour at Obozerskaya (an electric traction appears there, the diesel locomotive is changed to an electric locomotive), then in Cherepovets, then in Babaevo (there DC electric locomotive is changed to AC electric locomotive), it is good that the sanitary zone in front of the second capital is smaller than in front of Moscow.
    1. -3
      6 October 2021 00: 39
      Quote: Tests
      That's all we are looking for a national idea in the country. I suggest: "We will defeat the hogweed!"

      This is an absurdity, not a nationwide idea.
    2. 0
      8 October 2021 21: 13
      No better "We will defeat Borshevikov not only in the fields and plots but in the government and in the localities."
  23. +2
    6 October 2021 07: 35
    And I often had to drive a car in the center of Russia. Most of all, in the roadside villages, the hostesses hurt, who came out of the gate and threw out a bucket of slop in front of the house towards the roadway ...
  24. BAI
    +5
    6 October 2021 09: 07
    1. Russia from a carriage window is very different. There are 2 parallel railways Moscow - Arzamas. The main one is electrified, and the view from the window is sweet !. The second - not electrified, the view from the window - as if the war is still going on or just ended yesterday.
    2.
    By the way, the difference in houses still persisted. Closer to the sea - the buildings became ... "more magnificent", I would say so,

    If you drive from North to South, then the picture is as follows: solid, large houses in the northern and southern regions, and absolutely miserable - in central Russia. Tver, Yaroslavl, Ryazan, Vladimir regions - the very devastation and poverty.
  25. 0
    6 October 2021 12: 50
    about dying out, why sarcasm ?? even Putin's propaganda officially recognizes a decrease of 500 thousand over the past two years ... the fact that buildings are more beautiful than steel, this is the so-called euro renovation and construction) for a couple of decades and everything will fall apart ... and then in those years there were simply (and thank God) no such materials, it is generally unnecessary to say anything about credit machines, there is simply progress that has stepped forward and their cost reduction ... in general, whoever recognizes the presence of a car, how the growing welfare of society is engaged in propaganda or narrow-minded .... well, about the southern sown fields ... in general, it is blasphemy to compare the USSR with the current artel) what a nightmare
  26. +1
    6 October 2021 16: 39
    Life has become better comrades, life has become more fun
  27. +3
    6 October 2021 16: 49
    I wanted to write something on the topic, but I didn't ...
    Otherwise I’ll write how in the mid-80s of the last century you used to go to Moscow from the south and see how, on the left side of Ukraine, thatched-covered houses have already been replaced by capital houses under slate and iron, and on the right side - - The RSFSR, exhausted by the subsidies drawn from it, continues to be lined with rickety huts and destroyed churches ...
    She didn’t say anything about the fact that every piece of land was sown, because the land was seized by huge agricultural holdings, which pushed through the law on currency softening, which allows the dollars and euros received from the sale of agricultural products to be left abroad, and small producers, from - why prices on the domestic market have crept up, and no one is going to set protective duties ...
    She also refused to speak because her own seed production was ruined, the seeds were imported, disposable, if suddenly there were sanctions, then the fields would turn out to be unseeded ...
    What can I say, it's all in vain. What Vyacheslav Olegovich saw was minor cosmetic repairs, and we will buy sunflower oil in a half-liter bottle at the price of last year's liter. Already buying.
    1. +3
      6 October 2021 19: 37
      I don’t know, I still have half a canister of olive oil left after my daughter’s trip to Crete. But we don't cook on it. Only in salads. For example this: finely chopped tomatoes and cucumbers + greens; basil, arugula, parsley, green onion and dill + olive oil and salt to taste. And the appetizer is great and the side dish.
    2. +4
      6 October 2021 22: 00
      Otherwise I’ll write how in the mid-80s of the last century you used to go to Moscow from the south and see how, on the left side of Ukraine, thatched-covered houses have already been replaced by capital houses under slate and iron, and on the right side - - The RSFSR, exhausted by the subsidies drawn from it, continues to be lined with rickety huts and destroyed churches ...

      Grandma's hut was closed under the reeds with slate in 1968. But at the expense of subsidies from Russia or for my own money - I don't remember.
      1. +1
        6 October 2021 22: 29
        My grandmother had a capital house under an iron roof, the only one of this kind in the entire Kuban village. Because the family was - individual farmers. The rest of the houses were huts under the reeds.
        1. +3
          6 October 2021 22: 48
          So maybe the reason is not subsidies?
          1. +2
            7 October 2021 01: 05
            In them, I suppose.
            It is unlikely that there were many individual farmers in Central Russia. I guess by the 80s it was not at all. There were patient collective farms, from which they pulled out everything that was possible, and moreover, to feed subsidized republics and foreign "brothers". Low wages did not allow collective farmers to settle down with comfort, and the habit of a comfortable, beautiful life was either lost, if someone had one, or did not arise at all. Saved by the subsidiary farm. Everyone who could went to the city, mostly young people. They remained depressed. These were generations, military and post-war, who had exhausted their mental strength in the Second World War and during the period of something that was done somehow, carelessly and insufficient due to the lack of means of recovery after the devastation. Generations that are no longer psychologically capable of resisting. If we consider that Central Russia is the core of Russia, then the Russian people, having lost millions of their best people in all previous hostilities, were psychologically killed by the war and then lived and lives only by inertia, no longer hoping for anything - not for themselves nor power. My people are deeply depressed.
            I'm not talking about specific people, families, collective farms (there were also rich people). I'm talking about the subconscious feeling of the Russian nation then and now, about the mental attitude. We are tired of the endless need to enter into the position of others and sacrifice ourselves. And now such, tired, having lost the ability to resist, we are no longer needed in the primordial territory once conquered by our ancestors. The Russian nation is replaced by passionaries from Central Asia and the Caucasus. They substitute insolently, no longer hiding, overlapping their actions with a bunch of legislative acts. But we have, according to current statistics, 5 million unemployed! But nobody needs them.
            And now I live in a shabby Khrushchev. I am in poverty because I do not take loans. The neighbors are in deep poverty, because they took out loans, and, still remaining courteous on the street, the growing brutality of despair at the possibility of losing their low-paying job is splashing out on each other at home. Outside the windows are Asian men, aunts and their noisy children. And even their music from their cars. They felt their need for our power, their time has come, they are the masters. Ours seems to be leaving.
            And so I think, when will we wake up, if this is possible at all ...
            Here we have paved the paths everywhere. I walk along these paths and think, why did the Asians asphalt? The authorities simply ignore our presence. The tracks are not encouraging.
  28. 0
    8 October 2021 21: 45
    Yes, I completely agree with the author, everywhere is about the same picture: both people are being built, and cities are being built up with new housing, sometimes very, very elite both outside and inside ("smart" houses and all that stuff). On the one hand, it certainly pleases. It is more pleasing to the eye, and people improve their living conditions. But! This construction goes on by itself, only housing, without the parallel construction of new factories, factories, combines and other industrial facilities. That is, the picture is the same as in the days of the NEP, when there was also a rapid construction of housing alone. What does it mean? And this means that everything else will have to be built again in an emergency mode, like new industrialization, with all the costs that come with it. And what will it be like for our pampered compatriots accustomed to comfort in this emergency mode? It will be hard. Such is the price for today's well-fed and calm, carefree and cozy existence in new comfortable houses and apartments. That is life. You have to pay for everything.
  29. +1
    11 October 2021 12: 25
    It's hard to say what anyone saw from the window of their sealed carriage.
    And here is the opinion of the farmer, who even now looks not from the carriage; "In most regions, the situation is strange, the fields are overgrown with forests, but they" cannot. "
    And even though I'm not a farmer, it's unpleasant to see the ruins of former collective farm cowsheds and thickets of cow parsnip, which arose not at all as a result of "Stalin's secret experiments in the 40s", but simply because the fields have not been plowed up since the 90s. Where there was a field, there is already a forest.

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