Obvious interest and lack of competition. Possible delivery of Ka-52K to China

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Ka-52K at the Army-2015 exposition. Photo Wikimedia Commons

Russia and China are linked by long-term and mutually beneficial relations in the military-technical sphere. They may continue in the near future thanks to the appearance of another contract. This time we are talking about possible deliveries of dozens of Ka-52K Katran attack helicopters. With their help, the PLA Navy will be able to close one of the most important niches in the sea aviation.

According to press reports ...


In September 2017, an official delegation from China visited the Russian Progress plant (Arseniev) for the first time. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the Foreign Ministry got acquainted with the production sites and products of the enterprise. Of particular interest to the military and diplomats was the ship's helicopter Katran - at that time the newest modification of the Ka-52 Alligator.



However, that visit had no real consequences. The interest of the Chinese military did not lead to the start of negotiations or the emergence of contracts for the supply of equipment. Moreover, over the next few years, the PLA and Ka-52K in the news together were not mentioned. Promising reports only surfaced a few weeks ago.


A characteristic feature of the Cartan is the foldable carrying system. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

On September 16, the Russian Internet publication Avia.pro, without citing any sources, reported that "China has announced a large-scale purchase of Russian Ka-52K helicopters." It is noted that the naval forces of the PLA are interested in Russian "Katrans". They watched the combat use of the Ka-52, and also studied the special capabilities of its ship version. Also, the Chinese delegation visited the manufacturing plant and studied the Ka-52K.

It is argued that now a contract for the supply of at least 36 Russian helicopters is likely to appear. Such equipment should be included in the aviation groups of the newest universal amphibious assault ships of the "075" type.

Chinese needs


On September 21, the news about the possible appearance of the contract was developed by the Chinese edition of the South China Morning Star. It cites the comments of experts in the military field, incl. an unnamed source close to the military. In general, they positively assess the Ka-52K helicopter itself and its possible deliveries.

Experts told SCMP that the new Type 075 UDC is in need of a heavy attack helicopter, and the fleet is looking for suitable vehicles of this class. Quite a long time ago, the PLA Navy began to study the possibility of purchasing Russian equipment. If an order for the Ka-52K appears, then the countries will once again expand their military-technical cooperation.


Foldable wing and missile launcher. Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

Experts recalled that the Ka-52K is the first Russian attack helicopter with folding blades of the carrier system and a wing - this saves space on the carrier ship, incl. at UDC "Type 075". The helicopter is protected from sea water and corrosion, and also has a take-off weight of 1,4 tons more than that of the base Ka-52. In addition, the Katran is the only vehicle of its class equipped with an ejection seat.

An unnamed source close to the PLA confirmed that the fleet is in need of a heavy deck-based attack helicopter. At the same time, according to him, the Chinese industry cannot yet offer equipment of this class that meets the requirements of the new UDC. In such a situation, it remains to rely only on a foreign manufacturer.

The source believes that the contract for the Katrana will be beneficial to both parties. Russia will receive money for the development of its defense industry, and China will acquire the necessary equipment. The latter will allow the PLA to accelerate rearmament and gain time.

Thanks to the Ka-52K or other similar helicopters, the UDC "075" will become full-fledged combat units with the widest capabilities. Such ships will help the Navy to solve the assigned military-political tasks in all strategic directions.


Ka-52K during tests on the Admiral Kuznetsov. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

It is curious that the contract for Ka-52K helicopters may become the third in terms of cost in stories Russian-Chinese military-technical cooperation. According to SCMP and other publications, the cost of such an agreement will be at least $ 720 million. Beijing paid more only for S-400 anti-aircraft systems and Su-35 fighters.

Two helicopters


It is not yet clear whether a Russian-Chinese contract will appear. However, interest in the Ka-52K helicopter from another foreign fleet quite understandable and even expected. Katran is distinguished by its high performance and wide capabilities, and besides, it has a minimum of foreign competitors in its field.

The Ka-52K is a modified version of the Alligator with a number of innovations required for operation on a ship. Folding elements of the support system and wing are used, anti-corrosion treatment of the units is applied, the set of devices is adjusted, etc. Two engines with a capacity of 2400 hp. provide high flight performance. The maximum speed reaches 300 km / h, the practical range is 460 km.

The helicopter has a developed sighting and navigation system based on the Arbalet radar. With a takeoff weight of approx. 12 tons of the vehicle carries 2 tons of weapons. There is a built-in 30-mm cannon and four external sling units. Like the Alligator, the deck-based Katran can carry both guided and unguided missiles of various types. Depending on the type of weapons, the helicopter hits targets at ranges of up to 8-10 km, which makes it possible to carry out strikes from outside the enemy's air defense zone.


The regular Ka-27 air group and the Ka-52K being tested. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

Among all the Chinese developments, the Changhe Z-52 attack helicopter is the closest to the Ka-10K in terms of characteristics. It entered service with the army aviation about 10 years ago and is still actively used. Probably, there is a fundamental possibility of creating a deck modification, but nothing is known about such a project.

In terms of flight and combat qualities, the Z-10 is noticeably inferior to the Russian Katran. Its maximum take-off weight is only 7 tons, and its combat load does not exceed 1,5 tons. Compatible guided missiles, at best, do not exceed similar Russian models. Due to the greater thrust-to-weight ratio and fuel reserve, the Ka-52K surpasses the Chinese aircraft in flight performance.

Obvious interest


Building new landing ships, the PLA Navy faced difficulties in the field of carrier-based aircraft. There are two ways out of this situation. The first is the development of a completely new deck-based helicopter, the characteristics of which meet the needs and requirements of the Type 075 UDC. Such measures will help support its own industry and protect the fleet from negative factors associated with imports. However, they take time and money.

The second way out is faster and, probably, cheaper - the purchase of a ready-made foreign sample that meets the existing requirements. This scenario has its advantages and is quite realistic. China does not hesitate to turn to third countries for help if such cooperation is needed now or will yield positive results in the future.


"Katran" in flight. Photo "Russian Helicopters"

There are a number of combat helicopters with different characteristics on the international market. However, it is the Russian Ka-52K that stands out favorably against the background of competitors due to the high level of characteristics and a set of features required for operation on ships. In general, Katran is the best choice on the market.

Pending contracts


Since its inception, the deck-mounted Ka-52K has regularly participated in exhibitions and has invariably attracted the attention of foreign military personnel. In the wake of these events, several times there were reports of the possible appearance of export contracts. However, so far there is only one order. The starting foreign buyer of "Katrans" was Egypt, which plans to form a combat-ready air group for its Mistral-type UDCs.

The second customer can be China - if, of course, the latest news are not ordinary rumors and correspond to reality. It is clear that the Chinese order will bring significant profits to our industry. In addition, it will have a positive effect on Katran's reputation in the international market. Foreign countries will be shown that such equipment is of interest even for a modern and developed army, represented by the PLA. However, it will be possible to speak about obtaining all the desired results only after the signing of the contract.
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  1. -1
    4 October 2021 07: 13
    In addition, it will have a positive effect on Katran's reputation in the international market.

    And this is the main point
    1. +3
      4 October 2021 08: 17
      ROUND-THE-CLOCK helicopter - the presence of two pilots allows for more effective combat at night.
      1. -1
        4 October 2021 08: 23
        Quote: knn54
        helicopter - the presence of two pilots allows for more effective combat at night.

        Yes, and in the daytime
        The load on one pilot drops by 2 times, and this increases its efficiency (helicopter)
    2. +4
      4 October 2021 11: 12
      This is not the main thing, but the most mysterious. We could calmly deal with the reputation of Katran for 6 years now - simply by supplying them to Egypt for the Mistrals. What is the muddy story with this contract? It's not normal when, under the signed contract, nothing happens for so many years, and they bought the land version. Not so beautiful in reality Katran, as they draw him in similar articles? Or is it just that the very concept of "attack helicopter on the UDC" is delusional and promoted only by us?
      1. -3
        4 October 2021 11: 17
        Quote: arkadiyssk
        , and the most mysterious.

        Yes, no one will ever tell the secrets of foreign policy
        If only now they started declassifying newspapers in '45
      2. +2
        4 October 2021 12: 43
        Or just the very concept of "attack helicopter on the UDC" delusional


        Who knows .... Maybe so. The Americans gave preference to transport. And not even helicopters, but tiltrotors - in fact, VTOL aircraft. And the aviation support was entrusted to real aviation. Deck and land during the expansion of the bridgehead. They definitely do not need such helicopters, as if from a goat of milk. "But there is no harm either." It turns out that the weapons of the poor for the aircraft carriers of the countries when the even poorer ones are captured.
        1. +7
          4 October 2021 12: 53
          No way. In KMP 141 drums Bell AH-1Z Viper

      3. 0
        5 October 2021 16: 50
        I think that the ship version carries less payload and a smaller range. This is the same as on naval aviation. Also, the avionics for the export version differs very much from the original. However, with the Mistrals, these ships were built for our helicopters and it is very problematic to operate others on them.
  2. 0
    4 October 2021 07: 17
    Sell ​​everything that is still worth something.
  3. -3
    4 October 2021 07: 48
    LIKE it, but it is necessary to prepare for the future Australian submarines.
    1. +6
      4 October 2021 07: 57
      Quote: Captive
      it is necessary to prepare for the future Australian submarines

      And how will the Ka-52K help in this matter?
      1. +1
        4 October 2021 11: 06
        That's right, for the submarines they are preparing the Z-20, a clone of the American UH-60.
  4. +10
    4 October 2021 07: 58
    36 machines, 35 in operation, one to be dismantled for cloning.
    1. +5
      4 October 2021 08: 56
      Apparently the number of machines is negotiated as the minimum price for cloning)
      1. 0
        4 October 2021 19: 53
        So it is so .. but it will be like with airplanes. The engine is not copied .. and its own works much less. Do what you want
    2. +4
      4 October 2021 12: 09
      So on a simple clone. They will also make modernization. Electronics - 100%.
  5. +4
    4 October 2021 08: 41
    the takeoff weight is greater, the power of the propulsion system is greater, and the transmission units are the same? Is this a feature of the operation of a deck helicopter, when large ceilings are not particularly required, but excess power for flights in the tropics is desirable (taking into account the decrease in available power)? Takeoff about 12 tons, probably for anti-ship missile weapon options. Also, a certain advantage is the onboard radar of the helicopter, which allows you to supplement or replace the Ka-31 (besides, it can snap back). It is also interesting how its normal takeoff weight will change, taking into account the fact that the dry weight has increased or what sufficient weight (less than normal) will be established from operating experience.
  6. +8
    4 October 2021 08: 42
    Foreign countries will be shown that such equipment is of interest even for a modern and developed army, represented by the PLA.
    Having acquired the Ka-52K, the PLA army will become even more developed and modern. It is high time to understand that China will not buy hundreds of our helicopters, but will traditionally copy the entire scheme or basic technical solutions. Traders rule, they are ready to sell their mother, of course, under the best pretexts of profit. Here, only, the Chinese afterwards will compete with us with their clones. They are selling off Soviet developments, they are in a hurry, the new is not very much created in the bourgeoisie, and the old can lose its relevance. Well, it would have already satiated their army, and had a newer version, but no. The old words from the song are clearly not about the current gentlemen.
    The time of fiery feats will not go into oblivion!
    With an honest and righteous life, we glorify our time!
    There is a good tradition in the Komsomol family:
    Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself.
    1. +4
      4 October 2021 08: 55
      Quote: Per se.
      Foreign countries will be shown that such equipment is of interest even for a modern and developed army, represented by the PLA.
      Having acquired the Ka-52K, the PLA army will become even more developed and modern. It is high time to understand that China will not buy hundreds of our helicopters, but will traditionally copy the entire scheme or basic technical solutions. Traders rule, they are ready to sell their mother, of course, under the best pretexts of profit. Here, only, the Chinese afterwards will compete with us with their clones. They are selling off Soviet developments, they are in a hurry, the new is not very much created in the bourgeoisie, and the old can lose its relevance. Well, it would have already satiated their army, and had a newer version, but no. The old words from the song are clearly not about the current gentlemen.
      The time of fiery feats will not go into oblivion!
      With an honest and righteous life, we glorify our time!
      There is a good tradition in the Komsomol family:
      Think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself.

      For the traders, there is only one law - BABLO RIGHT NOW, and then at least the grass will not grow ...
    2. 0
      5 October 2021 08: 11
      Have the Chinese accumulated a lot of our Ka-27s and their derivatives?
      1. +2
        5 October 2021 09: 27
        Quote: faiver
        Have the Chinese accumulated a lot of our Ka-27s and their derivatives?
        One can see a patriot from sales ... The Chinese have accumulated a lot of things from Russia, but directly from the Ka-27, this is it.

        Chinese developers presented the TD-220 coaxial reconnaissance helicopter, the appearance of which largely predetermined the appearance of the Ka-27 in China. This is just the beginning.
        Having obtained the Ka-52K, China will undoubtedly increase the possibilities of creating a full-fledged coaxial helicopter.
        We must not forget that at one time even the broken American Saber from Korea, or a non-exploded air-to-air missile with a thermal guidance head from Vietnam, gave access to technologies and the creation of similar weapons. Now our traders sell everything themselves, they cannot understand such nuances, and they don’t need it, the main thing is momentary profit.
        1. 0
          5 October 2021 10: 35
          so this is a joint development with Kamov, like the Z-10
  7. +5
    4 October 2021 10: 52
    Buy the best; copy the best; sell the best, but cheaper.
    This is all of China.
    1. +1
      4 October 2021 11: 14
      They will buy from the best, what they are allowed to buy. Or Ka-52
  8. -1
    4 October 2021 11: 54
    China has its own helicopters like everywhere else: absolutely nothing.
    They still do not know how to develop, what they did on the side, they still do not fully understand how it works.

    But they do not want to buy completely on the side either: they require complete documentation and specialists for the period of their own full development of production.

    And the 90s and zero have already passed, the trouble.
    1. +4
      4 October 2021 12: 13
      Once they did not even have taikonauts. And, now there are global plans for space. Because the Rogozins and other Serdyukovs are quickly dealt with there.
  9. +2
    4 October 2021 12: 13
    It is strange that the Chinese decided to rip off the Ka-52K, and not some Super Stallion: the Ka-52K is a shock one, it will be difficult to convert it into an anti-submarine.
  10. sen
    +1
    4 October 2021 12: 31
    They are preparing a landing party for Taiwan.
  11. +1
    4 October 2021 15: 12
    What do you mean copy?
    What is that, rip up your pants and re-sew them?
    So there, too, the material should correspond, and the strings, and the line should be even ...
    And here is a technically complex product.
    The Chinese do not know how a helicopter flies, they know.
    However, they could not make their own. Why do you think you can repeat ours?
    Just measure it with a ruler and cut it out of the log?
    A gearbox, for example, is no simpler than the same engine, even our Mil has problems. Here technology, that is, skill is needed. And with the engines, they also do not succeed yet, and this is just a couple of problems offhand, but how many such know-how are there ...

    And by the way about taikonauts, in the nineties a lot of ours worked for China, they taught a lot, some even sat down later ...
  12. wow
    +3
    4 October 2021 15: 46
    And six months later, after the delivery of the installation batch, a "Chinese" similar one will appear. Some kind of "shun vyn fun - dragon slayer" ....
  13. 0
    4 October 2021 20: 20
    Quote: bandabas
    So on a simple clone. They will also make modernization. Electronics - 100%.

    Why haven't you blinded a single coaxial helicopter yourself? I think with simple copying without technology transfer there will be little sense
  14. 0
    4 October 2021 20: 26
    I don’t understand these Chinese, why did they need the Ka-52K? They have DJI, so let them rivet folding manned versions of their Quadcopters for UDC, and there will be some kind of DJI Mavik UDC Pro (if with an anti-ship missile) or a Mini version, which would only be with a cannon wassat
  15. +1
    5 October 2021 08: 25
    Well, with a dozen cars, China will probably buy, and then itself.
  16. +2
    5 October 2021 16: 59
    Will it not be as usual? China will buy a couple of helicopters, and in a year they will have hundreds of KA-52 clones. The truth is not so high quality but there will be a lot of them !!!!!
  17. 0
    8 October 2021 08: 39
    Our Chinese "partners" will buy a trial batch and copy and paste everything again ....
  18. 0
    13 December 2021 15: 42
    Building new landing ships, the PLA Navy faced difficulties in the field of carrier-based aircraft. There are two ways out of this situation. The first is the development of a completely new deck-based helicopter, the characteristics of which meet the needs and requirements of the Type 075 UDC. Such measures will help support its own industry and protect the fleet from negative factors associated with imports. However, they take time and money.
    They will buy a KA-52K of 12 pieces, the remaining 24 will be abandoned, copied and made for themselves ...