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Department of Defense: Operation Successor

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Department of Defense: Operation Successor


The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is headed by a civilian defense minister. This practice is quite widespread in democratic countries, and it actually boils down to the fact that the civilian minister is responsible for financing, and the direct control of the army is in the hands of a regular military officer - the chief of the general staff. Thus, the last position becomes a key one in the armed forces, since a civilian minister of defense, however good he may be, can only have a very general idea of ​​what the army is.

Since 2008, the Chief of the General Staff has been General of the Army Nikolai Makarov. In the army, he serves the entire adult life - from 1967 year. He consistently passed all three steps of military education at the Moscow Higher Combined-Arms Command School named after the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, at the Frunze Military Academy and, finally, at the General Staff Military Academy, with all of them finished with a gold medal. The title of Major, Lieutenant Colonel and Colonel received early. A wonderful biography, only one moment draws attention to itself. The USSR, and then Russia, fought a great deal at this time, even if it was not officially called a war. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Chechnya - this is not a complete list of the places where Soviet and Russian officers fought. But Nikolay Makarov never had a chance to fight. His entire service took place in a peaceful atmosphere - well, of course, he took part in the exercises, and he always managed to show himself from the best side. Well, what he could be in a real combat situation, we can only guess.

Thus, he has grown to Deputy Minister of Armaments. Well, and here the military reform arrived, which was entrusted to the Minister of Defense Serdyukov. Makarov was the toughest of all the initiatives of the Minister - and as a result he was soon appointed Chief of the General Staff. And already in this capacity he took the most active part in these reforms - as the most faithful associate of a civil minister. How exactly?

Well, for example, before the Soviet, and then the Russian army was based on the divisional principle. On the initiative of Makarov, the divisions were replaced by brigades. What is the difference between the old division and the new brigade? It is difficult to say, funny or sad - but nothing. In addition to the name. But how beautiful it looks in the reports! As part of the reports and dust in the eyes Makarov real virtuoso.

However, it should be noted that in the "old" army divisions were of two types - regular and "constant combat readiness." The second type included, in particular, several divisions, their distinguishing feature was that they were fully staffed with contract soldiers and could at any time join the battle. Makarov’s aspirations (in the interests of economy, which found the full support of the Minister of Defense) began to be recruited them not only with contract soldiers, but also with conscripts. That is - every half a year almost half of new people who cannot do anything come up to the brigade, for which no less than 1-2 months are required for training and combat coordination. As a result of the 2-4 of the month of the year, these brigades are not negogotovy, moreover, given that the call is carried out at the same time, the indigents are simultaneously. Of course, it is possible to throw into the battle and sky-gang brigade, except that it is unlikely to win the battle, and the loss of personnel will definitely be much higher. And the combat mission in these cases can be solved only by the heroism and self-sacrifice of the soldiers. But it’s not for nothing that they say that the heroism of some is the result of the incompetence of others.



Meanwhile, Makarov convinces both the public and the President that the combat readiness of his brigades of constant readiness is 1 an hour. Everyone in the army is well aware that this is a flagrant lie. After all, his brigade is of a reduced strength, and in them nedokomplekt personnel - 40-60%. This happens after serious fights. And it is only on the most optimistic calculations that 2-3 days is needed to equip the brigades to the standard (knowingly forgetting about combat coordination). And before that the brigade is really not capable.

Realizing that he will not succeed in deceiving the President for a long time, Makarov is now urgent, “forgetting” about his previous steps, feverishly trying to staff these brigades with contract soldiers, refusing conscripts. He calls them "new contract servicemen", apparently believing that he would be able to mislead someone. The role of Makarov on the basis of the army of the Russian military-industrial complex is even more destructive. MIC is characterized by a long development cycle of weapons. An enterprise cannot create effective weapons samples if it does not know what the war for which the country is preparing will be. Therefore, the most important function of the Chief of the General Staff is to develop the concept of a possible war, the prospects for the use of the Armed Forces in this war and a clear formulation of what types of weapons will be needed in it. In this part, Makarov has a complete failure - there is simply no plan for the use of the Armed Forces in the "new" war.

Instead, Makarov tells the military-industrial complex that he will not give him a penny to develop weapons, and practically disperses military research institutes. And the fact that he periodically jumps as wishes for the military-industrial complex is definitely beyond the scope of modern technical achievements. He, in fact, wants a car that would fly at the same time, shoot, swam, carried a landing party and had great firepower. Apparently, something like a flying saucer with interplanetary rockets. And without R & D and for free.

All these well-known "achievements" of Makarov evoke a feeling in the military that is close to rage. They also weakly believe in some “closed” of his merits, for which this year he was awarded the title Hero of Russia by a closed decree, after which the military began to call him “Star of Russia”. In the army, very indecent rumors have crawled that in this way he ensures his immunity from criminal prosecution in the future. The scandal with the assignment of this highest award "it is not clear for what merits" has come to the State Duma, and its chairman Sergei Naryshkin even had to instruct the defense committee to "make inquiries" on this fact. However, in view of the secrecy regime of the public, it was not possible to recognize the “secret achievements” of Makarov.

In the most optimistic scenario for themselves, Makarov will be fired after 2, upon reaching the 65 age. Well aware that his destructive activities will be investigated by the successor as chief of the General Staff, and that with an unbiased investigation, she may well pull on treason (that is how the collapse of the army can be assessed), Makarov began the implementation of Operation Successor. The purpose of this operation is to ensure the appointment of the chief of the General Staff of "his" person, who will "cover" his unsightly activity in this post. Major General Nikolai Pereslegin was elected as such a man, claiming to be Makarov’s relative in the line of his wife. To implement this plan, Makarov developed a multi-way operation based on the algorithm of a well-known children's game, when there are one less chairs each time than the players, and one player leaves the next cycle. That’s how the structure and personal composition of the military elite looked before the start of the operation Makarov "Successor".



In this structure, which is a real military elite, there are also administrative-parquet posts, such as, for example, the posts of deputy chief of the General Staff, and intermediate posts, like the posts of commanders of combat arms, and real military posts, like the posts of commanders of military districts. Makarov started a completely senseless, at first glance, horizontal rotation of colonel generals in the military elite. Here is this:



This rotation is distinguished from ordinary rotations, apart from the obvious senselessness of moving people horizontally, another feature: it is not carried out through 3-4 of the year, as happened over many years, but 1,5 of the year after the rotating generals took office. This undoubtedly causes additional damage to the country's defense, since over the year a person of such a level just manages to understand the situation, and immediately finds himself in a new place.

However, this rotation is meaningless only at first glance. In fact, it is intended to disguise the transfer of Pereslegin to the post of district commander. The district is Western, as the business of Pereslegin, associated with the production of organic food, processing of nuts and honey, is located there (mainly in the Tver region), and not far from Moscow from St. Petersburg. But in order for Pereslegin to take over as commander of the Western District, it is necessary to remove Colonel-General Arkady Bakhin from this post. This is a talented military general, past the war and very respected in the army. He was offered offensive “parquet” posts for him, or even even posts of a “wedding general”: the position of deputy chief of the General Staff (instead of General Salyukov) —Bakhin refused. The post of the Chief of the Academy of the General Staff - Bakhin refused. The post of Assistant Minister - Bakhin refused.



And then the military general was offered to resign from the army. A man who has passed through war is not fit to be afraid. He personally addressed President Putin and spoke about this disgusting situation. Putin listened to him and said: "Serve!".

But less than two weeks later, Makarov suggested that Bakhin write a letter of resignation. To Bakhin’s argument “Putin said“ Serve! ”, - Makarov replied that the issue had already been resolved and a report should be written on the dismissal. I wonder if Putin knows that Makarov has already “resolved” the question? After all, the time Makarova strongly props up. Now Pereslegin serves as chief of staff in the Southern District, and as early as September major exercises are planned there, where the president should arrive. Makarov is well aware of Pereslegin’s “abilities” (everyone in the Armed Forces is well aware of them) and fears, not without reason, that Putin will personally observe the professional failure of his creature. Then the operation "Successor" will collapse, because the president will not appoint a person to a key position, whose fiasco he personally observed. That is why Makarov seeks to transfer Pereslegin to the Western District as soon as possible so that Putin does not see him in action. Well, what constitutes Pereslegin, the media have already written. And here are some of the new details of his "combat path." The first serious position he occupied, by the way, thanks to Makarov’s patronage, is the head of the military warehouse in Tver (in fact, the warehouse manager). And then - rapid career growth. The division commander is, moreover, “cropped” and, of course, in the peaceful Siberian military district, since in a war such a commander could have ruined all personnel, 5 deputy commander of the Army (in the Far East), deputy head of the GOU, and finally, the head headquarters of the Southern Military District (where Pereslegin and appeared in serious corruption scandals). Pereslegin stepped from tactical tasks immediately to strategic ones, passing the operational level of command, since he served neither as chief of staff of the army nor as commander of the army. And not ready for the strategic level - even in the current position, not to mention the post of Chief of the General Staff. And it is absolutely terrible to think that he is capable of fumbling such a "strategist" in the conditions of a belligerent army.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that the military elite understands that if Pereslegin is now appointed to the post of district commander, he will have the weakest “profile” of all who are there. And this in turn means that all the combat generals from the army elite will inevitably be “cleaned up” over the next 1,5-2 years. This situation impedes the normal planning of measures to ensure the country's defense. For the success of the operation “Successor”, Pereslegin should in two years become the best in the military elite of his personal data. At the expense of Pereslegin’s qualities, this is completely impossible - this can only be done by worsening the quality of the military elite. And the first steps in this direction have already been taken - the Commanders of the Air Force and Navy have already been replaced by weaker people.

Not so long ago, Dmitry Medvedev decided to gather at the festive event of military leaders who won the war with Georgia. What was his surprise when it turned out that none of them in the army anymore. But 4 years have not yet passed ... Generals Sergey Makarov, Anatoly Khrulev, Vladimir Boldyrev have been removed from the army. Fighting generals in the Russian army are less. They are replaced by parquet flooring and warehouse warehouses. Will such an army be able to ensure Russia's defense capability?

It remains to hope that the publicity of the plans of the Chief of General Staff Makarov will undermine the plan "Successor", and at the head of the General Staff will not be "an expert in organic food, nuts, fishing and a bath." All military merit of which is only “family ties” with the current chief of the General Staff.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 06: 48
    +15
    And what can I say? ............................................. ...........................
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    ....................................- these are obscene words, there is nothing more to say. Everything has been said for a long time.
    1. bachast
      bachast 14 September 2012 07: 16
      0
      First you need to figure it out a little yourself .. What do you think Alexander, a person who is trying to analyze the situation in the Armed Forces and claims to be listened to, has the right to write something like that?
      How is the old division different from the new brigade? Hard to say, funny or sad - but nothing. In addition to the name.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 08: 18
        +4
        Quote: bachast
        Do you think Alexander, a person who is trying to analyze the situation in the Armed Forces and claims to be heeded, has the right to write this?

        Isaac, not only the author is trying to analyze the situation, but also many military men, many of whom are now retirees who participated in the hostilities and almost all talk about the rule of reform and undermining the country's combat effectiveness. If we had success, they would be person, BUT ........ request
        1. bachast
          bachast 14 September 2012 08: 25
          0
          I'm not talking about others. I'm talking about the competence of this author. Or anyone who thinks the crowd is right, no matter what?
          You did not comment on the quote above ...

          but also many military men, many of whom are now retirees who participated in the hostilities and almost all speak of the rule of reform and undermining the country's combat effectiveness

          Do you really need to quote when in some topics you write, uh ... the news is good ... balm for the soul, Russia rises, Khan Pind ... Osam
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 14 September 2012 09: 14
            +11
            I welcome you guys. Isaac is not a blunder here that the brigade is not different from the division. It differs significantly in a smaller direction.
            The article is about another. we are talking about the fact that the army is beheaded. I have repeatedly said that we do not have a clear doctrine. The author has confirmed this. Many said that we had practically no experienced generals left. The author has confirmed this.
            Etc. the points. Nothing has changed who clearly clicks his buttocks and that at the post. He who licks cleaner also with the adjutant.

            therefore, as before, I just sit in the bushes and wait for the hero (the hour when it will take old shots that can and can do something. I probably already don’t, but the students still yes)
            1. curious
              curious 14 September 2012 11: 03
              +6
              The top leadership of the country, I’m just sure, has alternative channels of information about what is happening in the Armed Forces and it would be somewhat naive to believe that the UNDERGATORS are easily fooled by Serdyukov and Makarov. The question is different: if they are well aware of the situation in the Army, why don't they do anything about it? Well, as for the military generals: we all wonderfully understand that people who really fought in the war and showed their best side, get along very badly with the authorities in peacetime, for example, the sea.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 14 September 2012 12: 33
                +3
                There are no alternative channels and cannot be - what they show, they perceive! And they show a picture in oil, any sneeze is accepted for execution - how can one not issue an order like that? To understand the true state of affairs - it’s necessary to be a specialist, and experts ask for money and have a bad habit of cutting the truth, cut the womb in the eye ... So they brought experts, there were only Makarovs, maybe gold medalists, but the nits were frostbitten ...
              2. Andrey64
                Andrey64 14 September 2012 12: 39
                +2
                Well done, + you! I hope everyone remembers Lev Rokhlin. A combat general, an intelligent man, but he wanted to do what (who knows, he will understand) ??? !! And why? And because he did not have the fullness of knowledge about what is happening. I would break firewood. Hence the conclusion - everyone should be in their place, and it is naive to think that the first persons of the State do not see or hear anything.
              3. VAF
                VAF 14 September 2012 15: 18
                0
                Quote: curious
                if they know perfectly well about the situation in the Army, why don't they do anything with it?


                I’ll give you a plus for the question and try to answer as correctly as possible. so as not to affect the uryauapatriotic feelings, such as Bachast!

                To do something and do something ... you need to at least understand something about this !!!

                And wearing the crown of the VKG on your head is still ... it means nothing! +! soldier
                1. bachast
                  bachast 14 September 2012 18: 16
                  +1
                  I’m not a urapatriot, just unlike you, I’m not so illiterate. At least I know the difference between a division and a brigade. Yes and further on the article of the author bears
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 14 September 2012 11: 56
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And what can I say?

      WHERE A COMMEMORABLE 58th ARTICLE ?! If you remove the words about the revolution, communism and the Soviets - you need to smear your forehead with brilliant green ...
      58.1. Any action aimed at overthrowing, undermining or weakening the power of the Workers 'and Peasants' Soviets and existing on the basis of the Constitution of the RSFSR is recognized as counter-revolutionary. Workers 'and Peasants' Government, as well as actions in the direction of assistance to that part of the international bourgeoisie that does not recognize the equality of the communist property system that is replacing capitalism and seeks to overthrow it through intervention or blockade, espionage, financing the press, etc.
      Counter-revolutionary is also recognized as such an action which, not being directly aimed at achieving the above goals, however, knowingly for the perpetrator, contains an attempt on the main political or economic achievements of the proletarian revolution.
      1. VAF
        VAF 14 September 2012 15: 20
        0
        Quote: Kaa
        WHERE A COMMEMORABLE 58th ARTICLE ?!


        Wise Kaa, as always, is RIGHT, even despite the fact that you are (by your honest confession, a pro-Putin ?! When I read, I almost ... choked)! +! wink
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 14 September 2012 18: 53
          +2
          Quote: vaf
          You (by your honest confession, are a pro-Putin ?!

          Did you allow right or left deviation? “If he allowed it, he hesitated along with the party line.” I AM I do not take bribes in the sense of politicians, I don’t like it; it’s a shame for me for the Power. Offer someone real (not Navalny) in his place, maybe we can reach a consensus ... drinks
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 14 September 2012 20: 27
            +1
            Damn, right-wing deviators !!! laughing
          2. VAF
            VAF 14 September 2012 21: 31
            0
            Quote: Kaa
            Did you allow right or left deviation?


            Late noticed your answer to my koment (it contains excerpts of your koment from yesterday’s srach according to the Esaulov article), so your right is to be left-right-right, whatever you want!

            But you can believe me that I have never allowed any deviations? It was just that there was no time, all "debts" were carried out, entrusted by the Motherland.

            And he always adhered to that line, which allowed conscience and honor!

            I don’t want to offer anyone, there was a worthy candidate, this is General Ivashov (this is my opinion), and there WILL be NO more in the near future .. will not!

            I hope you don’t need to explain why, why not ?!

            As always, with respect to you, drinks +! soldier
            1. Normal
              Normal 14 September 2012 21: 51
              -1
              Quote: vaf
              This is General Ivashov (this is my opinion),

              Hello and respect to the veteran.
              He also believed that General Ivashov was a worthy candidate. But. Not a rival to GDP. Too decent and intelligent. Not the right time.
              But there will be rivals in GDP. Only they will not be from the military. You yourself once said that politics is not the business of those who are in uniform
              1. VAF
                VAF 14 September 2012 23: 14
                0
                Quote: Normal
                You yourself once said that politics is not the business of those who are in uniform


                Greetings, +! He said a little wrong, but in fact .. absolutely true.

                And he said so ..... "the army is an instrument of the state and should be outside of politics"

                But how the state relates to the army, I, in dialogue with Evil Tatarin, posted about half an hour on a branch about the Chinese and the disputed islands .... I went, damn it ... I walked with the dog and .... listened to the news from a neighbor! recourse
                1. Normal
                  Normal 14 September 2012 23: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: vaf
                  And he said so ..... "the army is an instrument of the state and should be outside of politics"

                  Absolutely right. And I was too lazy to look for that post, sorry.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 14 September 2012 23: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Normal
                    sorry.


                    As my instructor grandfather used to say .... "dumb for scho"! +! drinks
            2. Kaa
              Kaa 14 September 2012 22: 06
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              This is General Ivashov (this is my opinion),
              I agree with you, I don’t even know how many percent, it is mathematically pointless to bet more than 100, but I would risk putting 101%. Unfortunately, I don’t know others in Russia, in Ukraine it is even worse. And about "hesitating" - "I didn't bent my back, I walked straight, and I didn't blow my mustache, and lived as I lived, and helped my head with my hands" - I would like to say this about myself, but ... but ... but .... The Chinese say that at the time of a hurricane, a strong oak stands upright and is uprooted, while bamboo bends during a hurricane and straightens up and grows further. Everyone allows for the degree of possible "deflection" for himself, I think that you won't have to blush before the Apostle Peter ...
              1. VAF
                VAF 14 September 2012 23: 16
                0
                Quote: Kaa
                The Chinese say that at the time of a hurricane, a strong oak stands upright and is uprooted, while bamboo bends during a hurricane and straightens up and grows further. Everyone allows for the degree of possible "deflection" for himself, I think that you won't have to blush before the Apostle Peter ...


                Well, who else from the respected members of the forum will argue with me that the Wise Kaa ... is not WISDOM?! +! soldier good drinks
                1. Karish
                  Karish 14 September 2012 23: 31
                  0
                  Quote: vaf
                  Well, who else from the respected members of the forum will argue with me that the Wise Kaa ... is not WISDOM?! +

                  Banderlog called him an earthworm wassat

                  ps Seryozha, good evening. How is the weather?
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 14 September 2012 23: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Karish
                    Banderlog called him an earthworm


                    Sasha, hello! +! So let's not remember what happened to them later? Looking at night, although I’m sleeping now ... like a baby ....... a dream of the righteous, after AlikBey’s recipes!

                    And the weather .. freaked out, again under 30, though in the period from 9 to 17. Then it drops sharply to 20, but the mosquitoes ... freaked out reptiles. Today I took the dog for a walk, in shorts and a T-shirt. so ran like a .. boy ... quietly screeching !!! wassat
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 14 September 2012 23: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: vaf
                      Looking at night, although I’m sleeping now ... like a baby ....... a dream of the righteous, after AlikBey’s recipes!

                      A mother-in-law comes to me in a week from Kiev, but for some reason she threatened to bring different teas. I’m sitting wondering, maybe I’ll try it on the cat from the beginning, otherwise I’ll be all so quiet, peaceful, sleepy and inactive drinks
                      Quote: vaf
                      And the weather .. freaked out, again under 30, though in the period from 9 to 17. Then it drops sharply to 20, but mosquitoes ... freaked out reptiles

                      There is something to get mad, mosquitoes are the same people
                      Quote: vaf
                      so ran like a .. boy ... quietly screeching !!!

                      The award found a hero
                2. Normal
                  Normal 15 September 2012 00: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: vaf
                  Well, who else from the respected members of the forum will argue with me that the Wise Kaa ... is not WISDOM?! +!

                  Well, I certainly do not really respect. and especially nothing, but I remind you that Kaa advised Mowgli how to meet red dogs. he did not participate in the battle. So our Kaa, with all its wisdom, is not a member of the pack because it lives in another country and, in my humble opinion, should not preach Putinism.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 15 September 2012 10: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Normal
                    Kaa advised Mowgli how to meet red dogs. he did not participate in the battle. So our Kaa, with all its wisdom, is not a member of the pack

                    Not a member of the pack. and, moreover, not a member at all and never was. Red dogs are not my specialty, but flocks of rodents, and hamsters, in particular - always contact. Rodents, it happens, they run to this site, chew on people with packs of ratings, minus different decent people for nothing ... too ... pests ... I’ll risk repeating the photo about our loving relationship with them ... I don’t remember who I am with in the photo, maybe with a red dog?
                    1. Normal
                      Normal 15 September 2012 12: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Kaa
                      Not a member of the pack. and, moreover, not a member at all and never was.

                      Here I am about that.
                      Quote: Kaa
                      Red dogs are not my specialty, but flocks of rodents, and hamsters, in particular - always contact.

                      God take off, with hamsters. The animal is harmless and fluffy. But the terrible gophers and botox rats completely consumed us. Moreover, they also carry the plague. Can you help me? smile
          3. Normal
            Normal 14 September 2012 22: 12
            0
            Quote: Kaa
            Suggest someone real (not Navalny) in his place, maybe we can reach a consensus.

            German Sterligov, General Ivashov, Eduard Limonov. Further in descending order ... Anyone ... That the special services lieutenant colonels in the country have ended? What exceptional qualities did GDP possess in 2000, what did we discern in it the hope and support of all Russia? Even during the reign of DAM it seemed that everything was fine. So what are we afraid of? What will disappear without GDP? Do not be lost, Adults already, it's time to live without daddy.
            1. VAF
              VAF 14 September 2012 23: 18
              0
              Quote: Normal
              So what are we afraid of? What will disappear without GDP? Do not be lost, Adults already, it's time to live without daddy.


              Vladimir, well, you ... threw questions ???? +++++ !!!!!

              Look, now Uryakov’s tomatoes ... will fly ... get ready! +! drinks
              1. Normal
                Normal 14 September 2012 23: 40
                0
                Quote: vaf
                Look, now Uryakov’s tomatoes ... will fly ... get ready! +!

                Not to get used to, get out. They don’t care about anything, except that there is supposedly no alternative to the great. And there is an alternative, you just have to open your eyes.
    3. VAF
      VAF 14 September 2012 15: 09
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      nothing more to say.



      Sanya, I have something to say! Where is the AUTHOR, GIVE A HAND TO SHIP !!! ++++++++ !!!! soldier

      Only a small correction to the first plate, the commanders not of childbirth, but of the TYPES of the RF Armed Forces! wink
    4. Colonel
      Colonel 14 September 2012 15: 34
      +1
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      .... Amazed by your restraint!
      1. VAF
        VAF 14 September 2012 18: 03
        0
        Quote: colonel
        . Amazed by your restraint!


        I'm starting to get tired ... "fight" with ... windmills +! wink

        Yes, the respected Alikbek gave recipes for tea and drinks, so in general ..... calm as a boa constrictor, only now I constantly want to sleep drinks

        1. Colonel
          Colonel 14 September 2012 20: 24
          +1
          Tea at 18.03 is voluntarism. Mills burn. And roll, at least, cognac. Want to sleep, but later. drinks
          1. VAF
            VAF 14 September 2012 21: 33
            +2
            Quote: colonel
            Tea at 18.03 is voluntarism


            Used to strictly follow the instructions ... said so much, then lumin!

            With the mills ... the problem, the laws are imposed ... so ... nizya !!!

            But about the roll, so I'm forever, especially cognac! +! drinks
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 14 September 2012 21: 42
              +1
              fellow ...........................................
            2. Karish
              Karish 14 September 2012 23: 35
              +2
              Quote: vaf
              But about the roll, so I'm forever, especially cognac! +!

              Corvoisier is just a masterpiece.
              1. VAF
                VAF 14 September 2012 23: 47
                0
                Quote: Karish
                Corvoisier is just a masterpiece.


                Sasha, that’s not the right word, we somehow "frayed" this topic with a spender. This is my favorite. I only use it and also Celt, one company produces. if not familiar, then recommend ..... you cannot tell if ... not in courses! +!



                By the way, in business, when you fly, it’s only served! drinks
                1. Karish
                  Karish 14 September 2012 23: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  another Kelt, one company produces. if I’m not familiar, then I recommend ..... you can’t tell if ... not in courses! +!

                  I’ll definitely try, in 3 weeks (if I stay alive after my mother-in-law’s father-in-law arrives), we’ll fly to Italy for 10 days. I’ll buy it in duty free., We have all these things in the price - the ears are wrapped. So I only with duty and pack (with normal things) And so - Green brand with fat - very much nothing.
        2. Normal
          Normal 14 September 2012 22: 22
          0
          Quote: vaf
          Yes, the respected Alikbek gave recipes for tea and drinks

          Sergei . don't listen to alibek laughing he is an oriental man, and that says it all ... And a Russian man at the time of tea - "merchant" - invigorates. rather than relaxing. good
          1. VAF
            VAF 14 September 2012 23: 21
            +2
            Quote: Normal
            he is an oriental man and that’s it.


            Not guys, AlikBek ... GURU in these matters ... I won’t tell you everything, but ..... five days already ... like a new penny!

            And what kind of "interest" appeared again before ...... the beautiful half of humanity ... cannot be conveyed !!! fellow
            1. Normal
              Normal 14 September 2012 23: 53
              0
              Quote: vaf
              Not guys, AlikBek ... GURU in these matters ... I won’t tell you everything, but ..... five days already ... like a new penny!

              And so, oriental drugs and trick the wise southerners of northern severe warriors yes No to cloudberries with a stick and tinctures from fly agaric wassat
              Quote: vaf
              And what kind of "interest" appeared again

              Weak man laughing As the action of the potions ends, the kvass is cold and back into battle. smile
  2. sahha
    sahha 14 September 2012 06: 57
    +5
    Yes, "Zvezdun" stirring up intrigues is not childish, when he deals with the problems of the army then!
  3. Apollo
    Apollo 14 September 2012 07: 01
    +17
    Good morning everybody!!!

    Without words.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 14 September 2012 07: 56
      +3
      Right! Very accurate demotivator! good
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 14 September 2012 08: 06
        +3
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Right! Very accurate demotivator!


        Friends of course this is only a demotivator no more, thereby expressed his attitude! Although I do not live in Russia, I am rooting for her with my soul.
        Somehow here on the forum it was said that Russia has two allies, the army and navy.
        At that pace, neither one nor the other will soon be. Sadly however.
        1. Russlana
          Russlana 14 September 2012 13: 36
          +1
          Apollo,
          Somehow here on the forum it was said that Russia has two allies, the army and navy.


          This is Alexander III the third said.
        2. VAF
          VAF 14 September 2012 15: 29
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          At that pace, neither one nor the other will soon be. Sadly however.


          And now .... without words, +!

    2. Fox 070
      Fox 070 14 September 2012 11: 16
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      Without words.

      And good day to you!
      There are just a lot of words, but they’ll fit into the format of this site !!! am
    3. VAF
      VAF 14 September 2012 15: 25
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      Without words.


      Apollo, +! and the same without words ... continued ...

  4. Normal
    Normal 14 September 2012 07: 02
    +1
    "It remains to be hoped." Well, well ... Hope only for adversaries. If our sworn "friends" arrange another invasion (into Syria, for example), then the leadership will think about it. And if not, then everything will continue as before. In the end, the current Minister of Defense and early. the headquarters that did not fight (as they managed to do, some officers went to Afghanistan three times), our leadership is quite satisfied.
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 14 September 2012 07: 12
    +2
    Well, erysipelas on the stool in the photo. old warriors said that Ustinov was the best minister. he rationally armed the army, not giving preference to any one military branch
  6. Maks111
    Maks111 14 September 2012 07: 17
    -9
    Well ... criticize us how to roll from the mountain. That would have graduated from three military universities with a gold medal as Makarov, then would have received the right to criticize him.
    1. sahha
      sahha 14 September 2012 07: 43
      +6
      Quote: Max111
      Well ... criticize us how to roll from the mountain.

      I don’t know who is being criticized.
      You have stated YOUR opinion, I have set YOURSELF, and if our opinions do not coincide, then this does not mean at all that you or I are criticizing anyone.
      For example, as I wrote, I think so.
      Sincerely.
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 14 September 2012 08: 04
      +7
      to higher education still need at least average quick wits
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 14 September 2012 12: 35
        +1
        Yes, in terms of quick wits, he will give a head start to many! But this wisdom is directed not there!
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 14 September 2012 08: 05
      +8
      Quote: Max111
      Well ... criticize us how to roll from the mountain. That would have graduated from three military universities with a gold medal as Makarov, then would have received the right to criticize him

      - Well, if the result of these three universities is such a reform and endless attempts to buy a foreign country with dubious combat capabilities (Finnish armored personnel carriers, wheeled tanks, lynxes and other crap), then to hell with such a three-university, give one university, but normal and sane.
    4. Cat23
      Cat23 14 September 2012 08: 18
      +6
      And what can be criticized. He is so "CREATIVE" !!!! And our tanks are not correct, and weapons, but they have .......! Does it all smell like order and treason? And three universities with a gold medal, and what is not for sale now? And what else is he "GLORIOUS" - for his services to TABURETKIN?
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 14 September 2012 12: 37
        +3
        He is also the St. George Knight, and the second degree - for example, the first Kutuzov received for the expulsion of the French, the second one apparently for the invitation of the Italians ...
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 08: 20
      +7
      Quote: Max111
      That would have graduated from three military universities with a gold medal as Makarov, then would have received the right to criticize him.

      So the medalists got the right to ruin it.
    6. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 14 September 2012 08: 37
      +7
      Gold medals are not an indicator of the mind. Judging by the experience of schools and universities. And only children do not know how to teach in army universities and how they pull ears by reporting.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 14 September 2012 11: 14
        +4
        Quote: Cap-3 of the USSR
        And how to teach in army universities


        University high school discord. I do not agree here. I know one medalist with whom they came to the troops. He also worked with his head and sweat from the school. Yes, and I remember my diploma with honors when, instead of three points, I begged the communication teacher to roll in a sharaban at the session.
    7. Colonel
      Colonel 14 September 2012 14: 45
      +3
      There would be a conscience for those medals.
  7. Oleg the Great
    Oleg the Great 14 September 2012 07: 27
    +3
    Quote: Max111
    That would have graduated from three military universities with a gold medal as Makarov, then would have received the right to criticize him



    Gold medals - do not add mind.

    The case was brought up against the "successor".
  8. oper66
    oper66 14 September 2012 07: 27
    +3
    I wanted to add about the exercises at the training ground in the Raevskaya station; I have been participating in them for three days from the Ministry of Emergency Situations there to the arrival of VVP and ours are conducting exercises - the exercises really go on for a whole day, shooting, practicing the destruction of the landing force both by helicopters and su-24 - well, and in addition to our appendages, they also set fire to them (I am the rescuer) with the use of a wind turbine and other equipment. All this action is broadcast online on the NP where Makarov watches everything and directs everything before arrival - and so there was an officer from us who will comment on the progress of the Emergencies Ministry's exercises - according to him, MAKar yesterday so fucked up the military on conducting the exercises - well, that's not how the cannons fly wrong firing - all the bad ones and he D "artanyan - by the way, I'll post photos and videos later - but it's all the same how beautiful it is when the Mi-24 and Mi-28 come to work out the plots and before that the Rooks iron out and add the work of the ACS and tanks with BMD - a roar smoke fire - the spirit already freezes like a boy rejoicing in the power of our army
    In the course of the play, GDP will arrive 16 we will run and jump for him
    1. Evil Tatar
      Evil Tatar 14 September 2012 10: 25
      +3
      Quote: oper66
      In the course of the play, GDP will arrive 16 we will run and jump for him

      Those. there is a dress rehearsal of the teachings ???????????????????? 7

      But Putin doesn’t see what they want to deny him - to show a parade instead of exercises close to the combat situation ...

      Colleagues! Is there really no people on the site who will be able to notify the Supreme about the ongoing treason?
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 14 September 2012 12: 39
        +2
        Excuse me, who to notify? Are you sure that the addressee of your calls is interesting?
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 14 September 2012 12: 55
        +2
        Quote: Angry Tatar

        Quote: oper66
        In the course of the play, GDP will arrive 16 we will run and jump for him
        Those. there is a dress rehearsal of the teachings ???????????????????? 7

        But Putin doesn’t see what they want to deceive him - to show a parade instead of exercises close to the combat situation.

        Evil Tatarin, do you seriously think that Putin does not know what is going on, how preparations are being made for his arrival. As in the old days: the tsar is a good boyar bad. Question: what the hell are you for the president if you don’t know what’s going on in the country .Answer: 8 years as president, 4 years as prime minister, now president, he knows everything perfectly.
        1. Evil Tatar
          Evil Tatar 14 September 2012 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Evil Tatarin, do you seriously think that Putin does not know

          baltika-18, and do you seriously think that in every post I need to insert emoticons?
          Or will it work?
      3. VAF
        VAF 14 September 2012 15: 39
        -1
        Quote: Angry Tatar
        Colleagues! Is there really no people on the site who will be able to notify the Supreme about the ongoing treason?


        But what, you don’t know that already since the advent of THEIR leadership .... all the teachings are SHOW ????

        That's right, the guy EMERCOM nickname writes .... no, they fly like that, they don’t rattle like that, nor do those smokes ... wassat

        And when it comes to reality ..... a recent disaster in the Mi-35 mountains! analysis did not read?
        I report, the command that sent the helicopter from the Torzhkovsky center, which was not prepared for flying in the mountains ???????, was guilty (TsBPIPLS always engaged in training flight crews just in time to conduct combat operations in any conditions and in any terrain, and were (Well, I write about my time) the most trained and combat-ready air force pilots).

        But this is not the most interesting thing ... but why they sent it, and it turns out that there are not a single combat-ready crew in the combat regiment that could fly to such a task, i.e. in the afternoon at SMU-NOBODY !!!!!!

        Everything is clear or still need to be explained to someone, about .... dung of 200-300 hours and flying to landfills with training bombs ????? soldier
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 September 2012 11: 18
      0

      oper66

      You better objectively write your opinion with photo materials.
      So it will be more interesting. Although of course I understand that you are from the Ministry of Emergencies.
      1. oper66
        oper66 14 September 2012 15: 30
        +1
        at the end I’ll write and take off the photo - in general, the military works fine, but from the Ministry of Emergencies, I’m retired there now I’m working all after 16
  9. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 14 September 2012 08: 18
    +2
    Serdyukov would be better kicked out
    1. woland05
      woland05 14 September 2012 08: 37
      +5
      To expel-expel-expel ... This is the Russian mentality. This is bad. Drive a person and forget about him. But forgetting, meanwhile, is impossible! And do not drive out - A PLANT! TO JAIL! FOR LONG TIME!
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 14 September 2012 10: 06
        +3
        You won't be able to go to jail, and by the way, you won't be able to expel, because on February 16, 2007, by the highest decree of Putin, A. Serdyukov, the former general director of Mebel-Market JSC, was appointed to the post. Hello Ur-patriots!
  10. Varnaga
    Varnaga 14 September 2012 08: 27
    -1
    Instead, Makarov tells the military-industrial complex that he will not give him a penny to develop weapons, and practically disperses military research institutes. And the fact that he periodically jumps as wishes for the military-industrial complex is definitely beyond the scope of modern technical achievements. He, in fact, wants a car that would fly at the same time, shoot, swam, carried a landing party and had great firepower. Apparently, something like a flying saucer with interplanetary rockets. And without R & D and for free.

    Where does this nonsense come from? According to Boomerang, we are working on a clear statement of work, issued by the Moscow Region back in 2009, the same situation, as far as I know, with Armata, and with Kurgunts, EMNIP, too.
    What kind of "research institutes" are overclocked? Without what other R&D? Afftor is generally aware that R&D is done on all promising platforms first, and then, based on their results, R&D and then R&D? What, you wanted to insert a beautiful word? Funding is also more than enough, and so much so that 2 competing offices work in parallel on the same topic. Another point, the TK is not issued personally by Makarov, but by the relevant departments of the GABTU, the afftor, as usual, decided to mix everything in one heap, both people and horses.
    In general, the article is shitty, some drafts, zero facts.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 14 September 2012 12: 43
      0
      By the way, the deadlines are already running out - very soon we will have to see what you have gained there ...
      Or, too, when the time comes to provide the finished result, immediately propose to urgently develop, instead of Boomerang, some Sling or Catapult with awesome characteristics, but in five years?
      1. Varnaga
        Varnaga 14 September 2012 20: 46
        -1
        Remember, no one owes you anything. The customer must provide the characteristics specified in the statement of work, and there he will decide for himself what and to what extent to show the log lamers.
        Or, too, when the time comes to provide the finished result, immediately propose to urgently develop, instead of Boomerang, some Sling or Catapult with awesome characteristics, but in five years?

        Why would it all be? There is an approved work plan, which, in most cases, is on schedule. By the way, performers are fully responsible for its execution.
        Here is an example for example
        MIC
        1. Varnaga
          Varnaga 14 September 2012 21: 29
          -2
          Decision of June 27, 2012 No. A40-6981 / 2012
          In case No. A40-6981 / 2012

          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation filed a lawsuit against the Military-Industrial Company Limited Liability Company 2.608.039rub. 56cope. penalties for delay in the implementation of stages 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 of work, based on clause 8.3 of the state contract for the implementation of research work on the state defense order for 2008 No. NZ-683 of 07.04.2008/309/XNUMX, according to art . XNUMX of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation.

          Having heard in open court the arguments and explanations of the representative of the defendant, having examined the written materials of the case, the court came to the following conclusions.
          Between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (customer) and Military-Industrial Company LLC (contractor), on the basis of a decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 10.11.2007. No. 771-35, protocol of consideration of applications of March 11.03.2008, 2 No. 2008, a state contract was concluded for the implementation of research work on the state defense order for 683 No. NZ-07.04.2008 of 1/XNUMX/XNUMX, according to which the contractor undertook to fulfill in accordance with the terms of the contract and timely deliver to the customer, and the state customer undertook accept and pay for the research work (R&D) on the topic “Justification of the need for the development of alternating current electric transmissions, hybrid power plants and their control systems and motor wheels for the LKM wheeled combat vehicle, taking into account the possibility of implementing their modernization in mass production”, code “Krymsk” (clause XNUMX of the state contract).
          The work is performed by the contractor in full accordance with the requirements of the tactical and technical specifications No. T-360-2007, which is an integral part of the contract. The content and deadlines are determined by the schedule of research (paragraphs 2.1, 2.2 of the state contract).
          According to paragraph 4.1 of the research contract (the stage of research) is performed within the time specified in the calendar plan of research, with the establishment of the beginning of research - 01.04.2008/01.09.2008/XNUMX. and the end of research - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          The date of fulfillment of obligations for certain stages is the date of signing (approval) by the customer of the act of acceptance of the stage, the date of performance of research on the contract is the date of approval by the customer of the act of acceptance of the last stage of research, provided that obligations are fulfilled for all stages of work specified in the schedule of research ( Section 4.4 of the contract).

          There are many more that are listed, but:

          Based on the above findings, the court finds the claims unfounded and not subject to satisfaction in full.


          So, guys, as you see, everything is very serious.
          1. VAF
            VAF 14 September 2012 23: 26
            -1
            Quote: Varnaga
            So, guys, as you see, everything is very serious.


            So, what’s really serious? The fact that the court recognized the claims of the Taburetkin financial girls as UNBEATABLE and NOT SUBJECT TO SATISFACTION ??????? wassat hi
            1. Varnaga
              Varnaga 15 September 2012 08: 00
              0
              So, what’s really serious?

              Let's just say that at that time for the military-industrial complex this was the first Chinese warning, after which the gouges from the military-industrial complex began to move at least somehow. This is to say that there are very clear relations between the customer and the contractor, regulated by the full range of laws (sorry for the clumsy non-lawyer).
              By the way, where does the finance girl have to do with it? Is that your fetish or what? What are the "girls" in 2008? As far as I know, this case was initiated by the responsible persons from the relevant department of the MoD dealing with the topic of "Boomerang".
  11. T72B
    T72B 14 September 2012 08: 34
    +2
    Also big news to me. I read a similar article about two months ago. It is very similar to the struggle of different groups within the Moscow Region. To know what would be really going on there. And then it turns out the replacement of Brokeback Yeltsin, God forbid.
  12. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 14 September 2012 08: 56
    +2
    Actually, this article was already here ... hi
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 14 September 2012 12: 44
      +1
      I also thought so ...
  13. baltika-18
    baltika-18 14 September 2012 09: 13
    +6
    Steep fuss of cool spiders in a cool bank.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 14 September 2012 14: 44
      -2
      Well, suppose these officers are not the same here, especially Rokhlin and Troshev. This is said bearing in mind the events of 95, and then a lot of interesting things were behind these faces.
  14. sargus
    sargus 14 September 2012 09: 28
    +1
    Year I look At this site WALLETs are traded

    military representative
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 14 September 2012 10: 25
      +7
      Sorry, Sergey. but it’s better to be a cough on the site than a cough in the ministry among the like.

      Well, although if you like to represent them, it’s difficult to judge tastes.

      And so plus, we really love to indulge, because we have no responsibility.
  15. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 14 September 2012 09: 37
    +2
    Makarov cannot determine what equipment is needed in the troops, because he does not know what the Armed Forces are for, there is no doctrine of using troops in various situations. I saw this personally, being in the troops in my direction. And the development and financing of new products can and is going on, only WHO issues technical specifications? In my opinion, there are no such people left for the customers. Plants themselves develop, and then approve TK, R&D, R&D for development. And the fact that Makarov is preparing himself a peemen, so that later they will not be judged. It is necessary to take away the "mandate" and deprive them of immunity.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 September 2012 11: 16
      0
      I saw it personally repeatedly being in the troops in their direction
      What kind of troops and with examples. And then there are a lot of "offended" runs.
  16. rennim
    rennim 14 September 2012 10: 17
    +1
    I don’t know about the beginning. Pereslegin’s warehouse (by the way, the post of senior ensign) and who he serves now ... I served with him in Tver in 1998 in 166th Motorized Rifle Brigade, which fought in Chechnya. At that time he was Nach. brigade headquarters.Then after the disbandment of this warhead, he became commander of the 70BHVT at its base.
  17. vezunchik
    vezunchik 14 September 2012 10: 29
    +2
    for 40 years ... what can I say ... And the pension age will be raised and the 60-year-olds will go ... it’s necessary to refine somewhere ...
  18. killganoff
    killganoff 14 September 2012 10: 29
    +2
    I have long been saying that they do not give normal officers the opportunity to serve, only sneakers loyal to the destruction of the country's defense potential and mercantile insignificants remain in the armed forces.
    Hence the conclusion - commanders are unnecessary for the current government, we need executive managers who will sell their mother for a penny in the church and sell their mother ..
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 September 2012 11: 12
      +1
      I have long been saying that they do not give normal officers the opportunity to serve
      And Putin, Serdyukov, Makarov personally expels them? Who or they themselves leave when boring with windmills fights.
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 14 September 2012 14: 50
        0
        They leave when they get bored with windmills. Question: Where are the windmills in MO ???
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 14 September 2012 16: 27
          0
          Where are the windmills in MO ???
          Appeared since the years of the 80s
  19. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 14 September 2012 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: rennim
    I don’t know about the beginning. Pereslegin’s warehouse (by the way, the post of senior ensign) and who he serves now ... I served with him in Tver in 1998 in 166th Motorized Rifle Brigade, which fought in Chechnya. At that time he was Nach. brigade headquarters.Then after the disbandment of this warhead, he became commander of the 70BHVT at its base.

    Again they want to play guessing games with us ...
    Whom to believe?
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 14 September 2012 12: 25
      +1
      Believe yourself Evil Tatar and only yourself. Intuition will not fail you, you will choose the right path in life. In the near future we will meet and you will understand a lot.
  20. Russlana
    Russlana 14 September 2012 10: 45
    +3
    That's the news, none of the military generals who fought with Georgia ....

    Really, my, half-crazy ideas that the introduction of troops into Ossetia is the order of the general, and not the president, are true? Isn't that why the West was LLC very surprised by the Russian troops in Georgia?

    As far as I remember, Putin, along with Serdyukov, was at the Olympics during the attack, but where was DAM?

    Reading such articles, nothing but hatred arises in the soul.

    Though Shamanov or something the chief of the General Staff did.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 September 2012 11: 10
      0
      Really, my, half-crazy ideas that the introduction of troops into Ossetia is the order of the general, and not the president, are true?
      You have a poor idea of ​​a chain of orders.
      Briefly, the generals received the order to open the envelope from the safe under the number like this. Then acted on it. And the autopsy is coordinated with the president.
      and where was DAM
      In his residence in Ples, and this does not prevent him from making a decision.
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 14 September 2012 14: 53
        +2
        They don’t keep envelopes in the safes; there are packages. Hardly bookmark packages agreed with Saakashvili.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 14 September 2012 16: 27
          0
          agreed with Saakashvili.
          And the General Staff of Georgia is the most closed territory for intelligence
  21. understudy
    understudy 14 September 2012 10: 50
    +12
    Again, substitute ... request
    With rare exceptions, sound, hard-won thoughts were expressed about what is really happening in our "invincible and legendary". Blame, and this is absolutely true, Serdyukov, Makarov ... But it is worth touching on the "great guru" who appointed them to positions and continues to "patronize", as an avalanche of abuse falls on those who dare to doubt the wisdom of the "wisest".
    Well, I do not believe that the CHIEF COMMANDER does not know the current situation with the defense capability of the state !!!
    I have 24 army calendars behind me, several "hot" and "smoldering" points ... I have the right to doubt the loyalty of the chosen path to reform the Armed Forces.
    Before the revolution, if memory serves, the women's formation in the Winter Palace was designated the "death battalion". After several shots they fled ...
    The wrong unit was called suicide bombers - a real Baba "death battalion" is now defending itself in the military department, more except for death they bring nothing to the troops.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 14 September 2012 11: 07
      +3
      Quote: Understudy
      The wrong unit was called suicide bombers - the real Baba "death battalion" is now defending itself in the military department


      The understudy, although I often disagree with you, is a plus
  22. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 September 2012 11: 03
    -2
    Summarize. At the beginning of my service I didn’t feel any enthusiasm about the reform, there were only one drawback around my eyes. Then little by little the attitude began to change. Base re-equipped with new technology. Haze disappeared among the conscripts with the introduction of a year of service, which for me, remembering well the old orders in 1998-2000, was a giant step forward. Began to pay a good bonus. Most importantly, regular combat training began.
    In the red remained the theft of property and money, poor preparation and unwillingness of officers to train soldiers. Everything, too, that I perfectly remembered and during the period of his urgent service.
    Thus, in the course of the reform, they changed what was possible to quickly replace: tangible property, but they stumbled over people: lack of qualified personnel and the unsatisfactory quality of the majority of the existing ones (which are contract soldiers and officers). And this problem with personnel will be hiccupped for a long time (Colonel Murakhovsky says that at least another 6 years http://twower.livejournal.com/859007.html?thread=43890303#t43890303). And I think there will still be a lot of changes and breakdowns of the foundations too. And because of the same personnel problem, this breaking will not always be correct and verified.
    Denis Mokrushin
    Here is an opinion with which I agree 100%.
    And the problem of readiness is solved by transferring the brigates of the PBG to the contracted state and then the BG will not be 100% since someone is on vacation on business trips on sick leave and so on and so forth.
    Before my eyes there are a number of examples, both positive and negative. Fortunately, there are more positive ones. And so Serdyukov fellow in that he began to do what others did not dare.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 11: 09
      +5
      Quote: leon-iv
      Hazing among conscripts with the introduction of the year of service disappeared, which for me, who remembers the old rules of service in 1998-2000, was a giant step forward

      Yes, it disappeared, on TV they constantly show frames recorded by demobilization.
      Quote: leon-iv
      lack of qualified personnel

      Sorry, whoever dismissed them and continues to dismiss them.
      Quote: leon-iv
      this breaking will not always be correct and verified.

      90% think differently, but they have not tried to quote other critical and active officers.
      Quote: leon-iv
      Here is an opinion with which I agree 100%

      I do not agree 100%
      Quote: leon-iv
      And the problem of readiness is solved by transferring the brigates of the PBG to the contract staff and then the BG will not be 100%, maybe someone is on vacation on business trips on sick leave, etc., etc.

      How simple it is, but how much is the percentage of contract soldiers in the army?
  23. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 September 2012 11: 36
    0
    Yes, it disappeared, on TV they constantly show frames recorded by demobilization.
    I agree, but these are often old records. Now basically they don’t beat for money they’re bred for phones too. Now by phone you can understand who has what status.
    Just like monkeys.
    Sorry, whoever dismissed them and continues to dismiss them.\
    I wrote above that they are tired of fighting with windmills. But now because of the dough hold on.
    90% think differently, but they have not tried to quote other critical and active officers.
    I have a lot of staff friends, those who served and serve me their opinions are enough and there will always be those offended.
    How simple it is, but how much is the percentage of contract soldiers in the army?
    I do not have data and you cannot have it. But I think that 30% will be now.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 11: 50
      +4
      Quote: leon-iv
      I agree, but these are often old records. Now basically they don’t beat for money they’re bred for phones too.

      At the expense of the old, just controversial, and phones and money is not hazing? Three months ago, three demobilians were convicted of extorting and dipping a young replenishment in the toilet bowl. Haddling was won-respect, I won’t give other cases.
      Quote: leon-iv
      I wrote above that they are tired of fighting with windmills.

      Well, and who are fighting with them, Makarov and Serdyukov have nothing to do with your words.
      Quote: leon-iv
      offended will always be.

      90% offended is cool.
      Quote: leon-iv

      I do not have data and you cannot have it. But I think that 30% will be now.

      In other words, the parts of constant combat readiness that are ready to advance within 1 hour are a complete lie.
  24. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 September 2012 12: 02
    -4
    At the expense of the old, just controversial, and phones and money is not hazing?
    No this is extortion Criminal Article.
    Hazing won-respect, other cases will not.
    Bring with pruflinki preferably.
    Well, and who are fighting with them, Makarov and Serdyukov have nothing to do with your words
    Oddly enough, yes. Here I can see everything in the past as a layman and in the past. Here is an example of one of the Air Force units until 2007 flew by orders of magnitude less than now. Over the past year, it’s easier for me to say when they didn’t fly than vice versa.
    90% offended is cool.
    Yeah, those who now do not receive the RFP adequate.
    parts of constant combat readiness that are ready to advance within 1 hour is a complete lie.
    If you didn’t tear a vest on yourself and studied the question. Each team sets up a BTG to exit within an hour. BTG per hour is quite real. The whole team in a 100% composition is not physically unrealistic for 2-3 hours completely. But again, the degree of readiness for the troops.
    1. Russlana
      Russlana 14 September 2012 13: 23
      +3
      We began to fly over the village quite often, this year as many as three in a row. I rejoice, like a fool, finally began to rise in the air. The other day they were stunned - it turns out that the Indians are flying. Ours as instructors, at best ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: leon-iv
      No this is extortion Criminal Article.

      But hazing is not criminality, or we’ll not call it a charter. If there were cell phones before, it would be the same. Until the victory of hazing is still very far.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I wrote above that they are tired of fighting with windmills.

      Quote: leon-iv

      Well, and who are fighting with them, Makarov and Serdyukov have nothing to do with your words

      Quote: leon-iv
      Over the past year, it’s easier for me to say when they didn’t fly than vice versa.

      But what has been said above for flights, what does it have to do with it? The fact that I fly a lot, I myself know, and moreover, today I have the first day of silence here, but there is a very strong wind, so see.
      Quote: leon-iv
      90% offended is cool.
      Yeah, those who now do not receive the RFP adequate.

      That is, in other words, 90% do not get a decent salary, but you went too far, everything depends on money.
      Quote: leon-iv
      If you didn’t tear a vest on yourself and studied the question.

      Yes, I’m trying to study, and therefore I ask questions, and at the same time I listen to others, but where combat efficiency and how it has increased compared to 2008, that flying more is understandable, and the reduction of pilots and disbanded GRU brigades also increases combat efficiency ?
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 September 2012 14: 34
        +1
        But hazing is not criminality, or we’ll call it not a charter
        Far from always, it is often needed to rally the team. And it is precisely criminality that is dangerous.
        The fact that I fly a lot, I myself know, and moreover, today I have the first day of silence here, but there is a very strong wind, so see.
        This is what BP has been paying a lot of attention to in the last 4 years. In addition, steel refers to the image of the army, for example, the transfer of the Star to the status of a federal channel. Accessibility to the Internet audience, etc.
        Well, and who are fighting with them, Makarov and Serdyukov have nothing to do with your words
        Well, for example, after checking and changing the commander, everything changed dramatically, and they say about him that he is a protege from Serdyukov.
        everything rests far from money.
        Romance ends very quickly remains Patriotism and Habit. Both must be stimulated. But this is a topic of a separate debate. I will say so good RFP is 70% percent.
        but where is the combat effectiveness and how has it increased compared to 2008
        Judging by a friend from the airborne reconnaissance company from the fields do not come out. Himself, he recently drove him to his wife, for 1,5 months, did not see her and brought him in the morning before construction.
        while reducing pilots
        There’s nothing to fly stupidly. And ARZ cannot cope with such a volume of repairs at once.
        disbanded GRU brigades
        The officers from which went mainly to the mountain brigade where they are needed. Understand that this is not a constant; it can be created disbanded, and so on. By the way, Spin seems to be returning to the GRU again.
        Does this also increase combat efficiency?
        Actually, such a http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/17713/ increase the combat readiness, but it is not interesting to discuss it because the degree of handshake is low. But the Volvo TZM test suits a healthy sickle from scratch.
        1. understudy
          understudy 15 September 2012 00: 05
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          Understand the part is not a constant it can be created disbanded

          And people, behind whom not only Duty, but also families, are not pawns on the chessboard. However, nowadays it is not chess that is popular, but the game of Chapaev, - clicked on a checker and there is no "green man".
    3. understudy
      understudy 14 September 2012 22: 44
      +3
      Quote: leon-iv
      Each team sets up a BTG to exit within an hour.

      In the GSVG, the motorized rifle regiment had to leave the location in 40 minutes in summer and in an hour in winter. Without any BTG-completely. My 174 Guards. MSR 57 Guards MSD 8 Guards OA (Army of Chuikov, former 62nd, Stalingrad, the only one awarded the Order of Lenin) 1864 "fighter" in peacetime and 2086- military. And a fucking cloud of technology. Only the pigs remained in the disposition, which, after a few unfed days, broke the fences and pounced on the German geese, who had the misfortune to feed nearby. In a real case, they paid for the damage caused. So that. what
      Divisional standards and army (76 thousand "peaceful" bayonets) were practically the same.
      And by the way, "not a man's job" appeared there after the arrival of "democratization and glasnost" in the Army. Before that, the lard was somehow cracked and toilets were scrubbed by "mountain eagles".
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 15 September 2012 11: 58
        0
        In the GSVG, the motorized rifle regiment was supposed to leave the location in the summer in 40 minutes, in the winter in an hour.
        This is dictated by the condition of the materiel.
  25. avdkrd
    avdkrd 14 September 2012 12: 07
    +2
    The situation described in the article scares with its reality. If everything about which the truth is written, then for the most part this is the case of the prosecutor's office and the terminology of the criminal case should look like: Treason to the Motherland, undermining the country's defense capabilities, incompetence. There should be services monitoring such publications. In my opinion, the accusations are more than serious, and if there is even a chance that everything is not so sad, then Makarov should defend his honor and dignity as a lion (I certainly have big doubts that he possesses such qualities), Otherwise, again questions to the leadership of the country, of which nation the interests of our leadership are lobbying, our or potential adversary? By the fact that our president is the commander-in-chief and personnel issues of the MO are exclusively in his competence or incompetence.
    1. Russlana
      Russlana 14 September 2012 13: 25
      +2
      Raven - Raven ... Let’s see, in principle, Putin does not have much time to continue to splurge.
  26. Nechai
    Nechai 14 September 2012 13: 14
    +2
    Quote: vorobey
    Nothing has changed who clearly clicks his buttocks and that at the post. He who licks cleaner also with the adjutant.

    Sasha, and one more thing - who has more to offer, who has a more "optimal" scheme for the withdrawal of state funds. And this is not a joke, in all seriousness. When appointed to a higher position, such a kind of "tender" is carried out everywhere.
    Quote: andrei332809
    to higher education still need at least average quick wits

    There is a truth as old as the world: educated does not mean that it is SANE. You can give as many examples as you like, and from personal life experience. But the fact that there are such "cadres" who are exceptionally great at learning, AND ONLY, can not be denied in any way. "So all my life I would have studied and studied," as one of them said. But to put into practice, in life, they are not capable of their knowledge, for solving, performing even the most simple tasks. They begin to rush, fuss, hysteria, etc. ...
  27. sargus
    sargus 14 September 2012 13: 45
    +2
    I will not blow a slime
    I hate Putin and slavers
  28. 1976AG
    1976AG 14 September 2012 14: 28
    +2
    Question to the author. Or maybe try to show the article to Putin?
  29. IRBIS
    IRBIS 14 September 2012 14: 52
    0
    And I will say in defense of Makarov, he served under his command when he was the army commander. Strong professional in military affairs, broad-minded and quick-thinking. Calm and balanced, he did not yell at his subordinates, and in general his voice rarely raised. He spoke without insults, a fair and honest officer. I didn’t build summer houses, I didn’t grab plots. Leaving for Moscow, he actually rented out a house without fraud. That's how I knew General Makarov. And time will show the truth of each and the degree of his guilt.
    1. understudy
      understudy 14 September 2012 22: 52
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      And I will say in defense of Makarov

      Maybe he was ... some were also store directors and simple lieutenant colonels, but look at it ... Everything flows and everything changes. And not all stand the test of power.
  30. Ustas
    Ustas 14 September 2012 14: 54
    0
    The article is old. Already read about two months ago.
  31. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 15 September 2012 20: 16
    0
    When I see the fat snout of a pig Taburetkin, I feel sick ...