Opinion about short-barreled. And not only

Greetings to everyone who opened it.

I respect those who read it.

This is my first article, so I ask you not to throw dirty socks.

Frankly speaking, it was painful (I mean “civil weapon"/" Self-defense of a citizen "and the entire information background on this topic).

First, I want to express my sincere sympathy to people who have lost a loved one and / or loved one. It is especially a pity for the parents, for it is not appropriate for parents to bury their children.

Ideas

Now on the topic.

I will be brief (I will pour water at the end).

1. Short-barreled and all firearms that are less than 0,7 liters in volume should be banned. Let those who are "in execution" wear them.

2. All the rest of the firearms and ammunition - to bring to the electronic base. Fortunately, technology already allows it.

Here's more about it:

a) the database will clearly show the dynamics of the acquisition of weapons and ammunition (that is, if a citizen has purchased more than 2 barrels and "peas" for zinc within a week, then this is definitely a reason to think and ask a couple of questions);

b) the age of the person who acquires the weapon will be recorded;

c) also, if the ammunition is purchased not by the "owner" of the weapon, then this will also be a reason for questions (the barrel is registered to "dad / uncle / well, or something like that", but did Gavroche go for cartridges? Well, well ...);

d) variation of point "c", only when the owner of the "smooth" takes on the "rifled";

e) the base will allow taking into account seasonal adjustments for the acquisition of ammunition.

3. To revise the law on self-defense (the concept of "permissible defense" is a very controversial point in an emergency situation).

I won't write about certificates and papers, because I don't see the point.

As for conversations on the topic "Bad hacks / bypasses", this is secondary. Since the primary barrier (I'm talking about the base and accounting) will already make Bad Guy think bypassing, and control of detours is already the competence of law enforcement agencies.

We take into account that in such a database it will be easier to configure the "flags" for the regional / seasonal / age criterion. Moreover, weapons are kept on record, that is, the base is 100% there. You just need to screw on the handler.

Water

Now, as promised, water.

In the foreseeable stories civilized humanity the question of weapons in civilian circulation was constantly acute... What and to whom can be worn / stored / made has always been determined by the authorities (or something similar). I have not looked for links, but whoever wants - will find it.

If we accept modern realities, then we can draw a disappointing conclusion: a moral vacuum creates social chaos.

Let me explain.

Society / society is actually a person's renunciation of certain personal freedoms in favor of the safety of himself and his loved ones. But since a person is multifaceted, and there are more people in society than one, there will always be extreme manifestations of any qualities.

Accordingly, society / society developed - one thing, isolated - another (science-art vs theft-murder, theater-university vs prison-watchtower). Thus, over time, the mentality of the society was developed.

Everywhere it is different: somewhere there were excesses, somewhere - undershoots (but this is already history). And historically, societies with the priorities “family-society-individual” turned out to be the most stable. Well, the state there became the guarantor of these priorities.

I think that now we live with a different sequence of priorities: “personality-family-society”. At the same time, the state has been multiplying the concept of “family and society” by zero for a very long time. So we are now reaping the fruits of a moral vacuum, when personal resentment overlaps the norms of society. Now it (the state) is trying to restore these concepts, but "all the royal cavalry, all the royal men ..."

Well, okay, pouring negative - anyone can ...

I think it is worth applying the "criticize - offer" rule.

Criticizing - I suggest

1. To revive the organizational structure of the “Octobrists-Pioneers” (the structure and principles / rules should be returned, it can be called differently).

2. To give the right to teachers and educators the right to cool hysterical mothers and their children with words, without trial and investigation for these words (the teacher's word is not discussed; that is, if the child shit / insulted, then he shit / insulted. Teachers should not be forced to endure screaming and complaints about the fact that “my child is uniquely (!) shit / insulted, and the teachers punish him for it”).

3. To motivate the blogosphere for the priorities of the society / state (there is already a direct question for the Ministry of Culture, they receive a salary for this motivation).

4. Punish publicly "demonstrative" bloggers (if such a blogger deliberately, publicly and demonstratively violates the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation / Civil Code of the Russian Federation / AK RF / SDA, then he should also be punished for this publicly, publicly and significantly).

Thank you all for the comments.

Comments

[Flooding]

all firearms that are less than 0,7 liters in volume should be prohibited

for the first time I come across such a characteristic of a weapon as volume.
or more correct displacement?

[Crowe]

I agree - 0.7 is neither yours nor ours.
Mind does not understand Russia,
Until 0,5 is drunk.
And if you drink 0,5 -
Everything seems simple!
An attempt to better understand
Already smells like a liter ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Crowe

I agree - 0.7 is neither yours nor ours.
Mind does not understand Russia,
Until 0,5 is drunk.
And if you drink 0,5 -
Everything seems simple!
An attempt to better understand
Already smells like a liter ...

HOW Leader, apparently the author had a length in meters (0,7 m).
Now about the article.
The subject of the shooter is relevant - my daughter, like the children and grandchildren of many comrades, studied at school, now she is gnawing at the granite of science at the university. My wife, Mom and other close people use the metro, public transport, go to shops, cinemas and other places where citizens gather.
A dumb question to neophytes, how many people are at the entrance to any institution? Maximum 2-3 people. Transport facilities are better protected.
For discussion, we take an ordinary average school. Security at the entrance of the private security company - 2 soldiers. I have never seen any armed men. For the purity of the conditional experiment, let them be armed with service pistols chambered for 9x17 kurts.
Now about a criminal, as a professional, I can only say with sadness one thing “who wants to find a weapon” in our country will find it. Let it be not a combat, but a smooth-bore semi-automatic or a pump-action shotgun without any problems. Officially or unofficially, the question is different. There is a desire, there will be an offer.
Now the options are:
Option 1. A scumbag enters school with a five-round gun (sixth in the barrel). The trunk is in a gym bag or covered with clothing. Passing the frame attracts the guard by "triggering" and immediately opens fire. Two charges of buckshot to the first one who turnstile, two - to the one who is behind the monitors. In the best case, he will have time to press the panic button. Time 10 seconds. Ice further bloodbath. The outfit of the National Guard will arrive only in 5-10 minutes.
Option 2. There are three guards. One is in the break room. Start with the script. The guard in the room calls for reinforcements after hearing the gunshots. Then the grandmother said in two who will outplay whom. If the scumbag went to school or is studying, he knows where the third is sitting and will wait. 50 to 50, then, at best, two corpses of innocent people and one involved. At worst, a bloodbath.
Option 3. If the scumbag is not, the shit will come in a bulletproof vest. A very affordable thing these days. Many buy in anticipation of the apocalypse, some use it for fitness. Seriously not kidding. Google to the rescue. It makes sense to calculate the situation, no 9x17 bullets will take armor. Until the arrival of the detachment of the National Guard and the police. will do its job. Rosgvardia and PPSnmkam will have to sweat. Their PPs chambered for 9x18 are weak. DPSniki from the regular Ksenia will probably fill up with the 7.62mm cartridge.
Option 4. Security guards of the private security company in armor, do not tell my hooves. Even a trained person will be able to wear armor and a helmet constantly for no more than 4 hours. Full-fledged no more than 2. The solution to the problem is to have a set of 4-5 class armor in the security room + a gun similar to that of a criminal. Dressing time 30 seconds! Then everything returns to the grandmother. It all depends on the grandfather who was dozing in the guard room !!! But he could sit in the restroom ...
The situation can be expanded indefinitely. The problem is different.
If every 50 inhabitants of the country had a short-barreled self-defense weapon. There are 20 people per thousand students and teachers at the university, of which 10 will not want to die and will resist. Any maniac will think twice about going to the place where he will shoot the boss, according to the theory of probability, every 100.
Schools are more difficult. They and the dead bodies should be covered with full-fledged detachments of non-departmental security. Yes, not less than 500 thousand a month is expensive. Well, or competently build a security system. There is no panacea.
For the rest,
I agree with the author by age.
I agree - for a double-barreled hunting weapon. Although the reload speed is relative. A good double-barreled gun reloads in 4-5 seconds.
Again, not a panacea!
An example from life, once a summer resident caught a thief in a bear trap! For which he served the full, but in this SNT there have been no thieves for five years. They take care of their arms and legs. When I was once asked about this SNT a provocative question "burglar". The answer was paradoxical, you are the boss, he will bite off a piece of iron, than I will earn a living!
So in the question covered by the Author, the restrictions can always be bypassed. The average person does not even imagine how sophisticated a mentally ill person realizes his intention. Hope for a system? Any system can fail and has vulnerabilities.
The most complete is the system supplemented by the trust of citizens. And not with a word, but with fists. In this case, a form of trust is a weapon and means of self-defense. Not all at once, in the form of distinction, as an institution of civil status. You can choose different rules of the game, although it is better to stick out the socio-cultural aspects. Family experience, number of children, etc. Motivation, prestige and trust.
Well, somewhere like that!

[Doccor18]

I read your comment. Solidarity in many ways, but

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

Schools are more difficult. They and the dead bodies should be covered with full-fledged detachments of non-departmental security.

How many people should be in this outfit? Three or four, at least. Moreover, they must be younger than those security guards that we see so often in public places.

The number of organizations that carry out educational activities in educational programs of preschool education, childcare and supervision: 47. Of these, preschool educational institutions: 090.

Let's add here a little more than 40 thousand schools and we will get almost 90 thousand educational institutions. But there are also train stations, airports, bus stations, theaters, etc. etc. How many young men armed to the teeth should guard all these establishments? From 300 to 400 thousand? This is real? He serves less in the ground forces, and also less in the National Guard. This will not solve the problem. You can't put an "submachine gun" at every door ...

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

And not with a word, but with fists. In this case, a form of trust is a weapon and means of self-defense.

Exactly. The population should be able to protect themselves from thugs and psychopaths, should have the right to do so, have the opportunity ...

[CYM]

Quote: Doccor18

How many young men armed to the teeth should guard all these establishments? From 300 to 400 thousand? This is real?

As of 2018: Ministry of Internal Affairs - 692 thousand employees; Rosgvardia ~ 340 thousand employees; FSB ~ 200 thousand employees; FSO ~ 50 thousand employees. And in total we have 2,6 million security officials. Since 2014, spending on security officials has exceeded 30% of the RF budget. The question arises. "Well, why are you with us, with a sharp saber like that? ..." (Leonid Filatov).

[faiver]

now estimate how many of

Ministry of Internal Affairs - 692 thousand employees; Rosgvardia ~ 340 thousand employees; FSB ~ 200 thousand employees; FSO ~ 50 thousand

- office workers who transfer pieces of paper from one edge of the table to the other ...

[Doccor18]

Quote: faiver

one edge of the table, on the other they shift ...

And such: every second ...

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Doccor18

But there are also train stations, airports, bus stations, theaters, etc. etc. How many young men armed to the teeth should guard all these establishments? From 300 to 400 thousand? This is real? He serves less in the ground forces, and also less in the National Guard. This will not solve the problem. You can't put an "submachine gun" at every door ...

Transport facilities are mainly categorized and covered by both departmental security officers and the police.
Otherwise, I agree, while the life of a child is priceless, and prevention, restrictions and tightening of legislation on weapons, alas, will not help.

[frog]

My regards!!
Thank you for a good analysis, but ..... Are you sure that the option you proposed, not to mention the practical possibility of implementing it, will give at least some chances ??

[Undecim]

In this case, a form of trust is a weapon and means of self-defense.

In no country in the world, the possession of weapons by citizens has not solved the issue of crime. It is a myth that citizens will use civilian weapons to solve their security issues.
For example, in the USA there are 100 civilian weapons per 120 people and 5,35 premeditated murders per 100. And in Austria there are 000 civilian weapons per 30 people, and premeditated homicides per 100 - 100.
In Finland there are 32 barrels per 100 people, in Denmark - 10. And the number of robberies is the same.

[bk0010]

Quote: Undecim

In no country in the world, the possession of weapons by citizens has not solved the issue of crime.

In no country in the world, the lack of weapons among citizens has not solved the issue of crime.

[Jan]

"ksenia" 7,62 ?? !! well you gave the heat

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: jann

"ksenia" 7,62 ?? !! well you gave the heat

Yes, it was described, of course 5,45mm.

[Walking]

Quote: Flood

all firearms that are less than 0,7 liters in volume should be prohibited

for the first time I come across such a characteristic of a weapon as volume.
or more correct displacement?

How can you prohibit 0,5 and 0,7 liters because this is the most popular container for bottling. (joke)
Honestly, this is also the first time I read about this.

[Thrifty]

Or maybe, as an option, it is necessary to check the owners of weapons by a psychiatrist every year? It's not about weapons, it only shoots at the theater, it's about a person, what happens to his brain over time, why does he go to solve problems with an armed one ...

[Deck]

And, in order to exclude the corruption component, checks should be carried out by psychologists and psychiatrists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

Did you joke like that?

[Thrifty]

Deck-zhto I quite seriously wrote that the examination is needed annually! If you do not want the psychiatrists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then let the FSB conduct an examination !!!

[Deck]

If you do not want the psychiatrists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, then let the FSB conduct an examination !!!

Nah. The Ministry of Internal Affairs will be cheaper. FSB is for bankers)

[Diverter]

you yourself need to be taken to him. for such ideas

[Thrifty]

The saboteur, and then the examination recognizes the attackers as mentally ill! How many times has this already happened?

[Diverter]

here present, most were psychiatrists and more than once. It's not about getting a doctor, but about inadequate suggestions.

[Thrifty]

Saboteur, why do we often hear about the mental insanity of terrorists, or jerks who have taken up arms ??? What is the root of the problem then in your opinion ???

[frog]

What is the root of the problem then in your opinion ???

In an absolute unwillingness to do anything. It is in this regard. No more. And also the fact that any proposed filtration system will not work one fig.

[Diverter]

in the imperfection of the law on self-defense, in the ban on carrying a pistol, in the absence of state programs for the education of young people, in the absence of a national idea in the state, in Russian capitalism.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

Quote: Thrifty

And, in order to exclude the corruption component, checks should be carried out by psychologists and psychiatrists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Dear Berezhivy will peck you for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Do not like!

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Thrifty

checks are carried out by psychologists and psychiatrists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Yeah. They don't take bribes directly.

Quote: Thrifty

in order to exclude the corruption component

It is necessary to introduce criminal liability for every signature and seal.

[Svarog]

1. To revive the organizational structure of the “Octobrists-Pioneers” (the structure and principles / rules should be returned, it can be called differently).

Under any structure, organization of society there should be an ideology .. what do you think the minds of young people to occupy, when for them the main priority in life is the blob .. beautiful life and action ..

To give teachers and educators the right to cool hysterical mothers and their children with a word, without trial and investigation for these words (the teacher's word is not discussed; that is, if a child shit / insulted, then he shit / insulted. Teachers should not be forced to endure cries and complaints about the fact that “my child is uniquely (!) shit / insulted, and the teachers punish him for it”).

Here I agree .. but I must note that the quality of the teacher is also falling .. accordingly, the selection criteria must be established for the teacher .. and this, in turn, is an increase in salary .. which is contrary to the vision of the authorities, they are increasing the budget for the National Guard ..

3. To motivate the blogosphere for the priorities of the society / state (there is already a direct question for the Ministry of Culture, they receive a salary for this motivation).

Again ... without ideology, how do you plan to motivate the blogosphere? What is the ultimate goal of this event .. in other words .. Maybe equality, brotherhood, justice .. social security, change of power ... and so on .. Until there is a healthy ideology ... and only socialism is healthy .. there will be nothing ..

4. Punish publicly "demonstrative" bloggers (if such a blogger deliberately, publicly and demonstratively violates the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation / Civil Code of the Russian Federation / AK RF / SDA, then he should also be punished for this publicly, publicly and significantly).

And what will it give? When the laws are written by the bourgeois for themselves .. only greater anger of the population .. First, the law needs a correct one, based on the above-mentioned principles .. then its observance .. by everyone .. starting with the guarantor .. and only then punishment .. But again, punish anyone will not have to, if there is nothing to criticize .. And if the criticism is inappropriate .. not coinciding with reality .. so no one will listen to this blogger, and therefore he will not have subscriptions and therefore earnings .. Not to admit and prohibit is the most primitive way .. which works for a short time, but then starts working in the opposite direction ..
A very superficial approach in my opinion .. You need to go deeper .. to the root cause .. With the first article you.

[vladcub]

Comrades Svarog, in general, I agree with you: "there must be an ideology under any structure, organization of society." For me with you socialism is dear and understandable.
"It is necessary to establish selection criteria for a teacher" I agree. There are many random people among the teachers.
Unfortunately, it didn't start today or yesterday. Remember, in the mid-70s, students had a proverb: "who has no mind, goes to the polytechnic, conscience - to honey, and if there is no mind and conscience - to ped"? So, the matter cannot be solved by raising the salary alone.
This is deeper and deeper. The education system in the Republic of Ingushetia and the Soviet Union was based on a professional who was in love with his profession. Such as: Sukhomlinov, Soroka Rosinsky, Makarenko, Karabrin. And in the mid-seventies, when it became prestigious to have a diploma, formalism began. Formalism is bad everywhere, but in Cuba, education is also a problem.

[Flooding]

Quote: Svarog

Under any structure, organization of society, there must be an ideology

nurture an idea

Quote: Svarog

accordingly, the selection criteria must be established for the teacher

educate educators

and only then take up the youth
while keeping in mind the previous "lost" generations, which are too late to bring up
but who are already parents
that is, to partly shift onto the shoulders of the state and the parental burden

[CYM]

Quote: Svarog

Under any structure, organization of society there should be an ideology .. what do you think the minds of young people to occupy, when for them the main priority in life is the blob .. beautiful life and action ..

Do you know what A. Bastrykin said at the Security Council meeting on October 01? “When young people see selfishness, selfishness, anger and hatred around them, and there is no one to give them the right guidelines, a dangerous situation arises that can lead to destructivism.” True, before that, he said that in his opinion, in order to reduce the risks, it is necessary to strengthen the security system and strengthen control over the circulation of firearms. That is, we know where we lost, but we will look where it is light.

[vladcub]

Apparently, the author measures everything in liters.
In his youth, he looked at Raikin's: "a change of apartment" there a man considered the miter box of his apartment: "22 liters without a cork"

[region58]

Quote: vladcub

"apartment change"

There about something else. Just the same on the topic of morality. However, you can see ...

[vladcub]

Many thanks. I remembered my youth

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Flood

all firearms that are less than 0,7 liters in volume should be prohibited

for the first time I come across such a characteristic of a weapon as volume.
or more correct displacement?

in general, the article at the level of a high school student was especially amused about the acquisition of rifled cartridges for a smoothbore and the acquisition of cartridges not by the owner of the weapon ... apparently the car does not know anything at all and does not have a weapon did not buy cartridges ... yes, they will not even be given to me if the caliber does not match my permission .... the author has never lived in a village, does not know what a pack of dogs is, does not have a house and a manor .... therefore he does not need a short-barrel, but I do! and in general the author did not see evil aggressive people, but I saw and know that they do not need permission to make threats of robbery and murder, and I have the right to defend myself, this is the difference between people and a slave.

[Vladimir1155]

here are the pictures impressive

[serg.shishkov2015]

Correct article! The debut was a success! And I have news not on the topic of the article, but on the topic of the site - we, civilized fans of weapons, are getting more! For 10 years I was in my city the only subscriber of the magazine * Equipment and weapons yesterday, today, tomorrow *, this year five were added at once! The VO business is alive and well! You are on the right path, comrades!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

there are more of us, civilized fans of weapons! for 10 years I was in my city the only subscriber of the magazine * Equipment and weapons yesterday, today, tomorrow *,

Here it would be necessary to cry because of such a rate of militarization of society and not only in our country, by the way. And you are happy. However, you are probably right. Tomorrow, when the voltage reaches critical values ​​and a breakdown occurs, there will be nothing to rejoice at, and it is possible that there is no one.

[serg.shishkov2015]

Psychos don't subscribe to such magazines! And they hardly look at VO! I a year ago on Zen enlightened an amateur about the Wehrmacht's jet weapons. he had never heard of such a thing! The person was very pleased when he climbed into Vika! I knew about this 20 years ago, but he only began to discover this world for himself

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

Psychos don't subscribe to such magazines!

And what does this have to do with psychos? The worst thing is when normal people exhibit this behavior.

[Evil troll]

Psychos don't subscribe to such magazines! And they hardly look at VO!

Don't be so sure. Some gun maniac can understand thoroughly.

[vladcub]

And this happens

[region58]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Here it would be necessary to cry because of such a pace of militarization

On the other hand, weapons are almost always the pinnacle of technological progress. How many elegant and non-standard technical solutions are poems you can write ... It's a pity, of course, for destruction, but that is ...

[bk0010]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

The correct article!

What is right then? What does the whole point "Criticizing - suggesting" have to do with weapons? Which of the Ideas item has not been implemented yet? Moreover, these 0.7 liters, directly according to Freud. It seems that someone is training a neural network for writing texts.

[NDR-791]

Quote: bk0010

It seems that someone is training a neural network for writing texts.

For some reason, it also seemed so. The author is not in the subject of the word at all. One pearl is enough:
c) also, if the ammunition is purchased not by the "owner" of the weapon, then this will also be a reason for questions (the barrel is registered to "dad / uncle / well, or something like that", but did Gavroche go for cartridges? Well, well ...);
This is who "gavroshu" will sell cartridges without a ksiva or the wrong caliber that is written in it ??? We definitely don't have such a thing, maybe the author is somewhere in a mythical country. It is allowed to buy and transport 400 pieces at a time - use it. If someone thinks that this is a lot, he is also not in the subject - for the dawn of 300, some spit out. True, this is no longer an indicator of the ability to shoot. But at the stand so much is normal

[Gnat76]

This is who "gavroshu" will sell cartridges without ksiva or the wrong caliber that is written in it ???

About the wrong caliber - what prevents you from equipping cartridges of any caliber in the presence of a can of gunpowder, cases, wads, gaskets, shot / bullets and the corresponding twists?

[NDR-791]

A can of gunpowder from the 70s and even a primer (from the year before last) also cannot be bought without a ksiva. And the times of the early 90s, when grandfathers sold old stocks near the shops, are long gone, all leftists have long been sold.

[paul3390]

New "Octobrists-pioneers" - are they like young Putiners or what? Under the slogan - educate the future bourgeois and the robber of the people from a young claw? And - how is a firearm connected with this gorgeous idea? Well - and to publicly smack bloggers for not being enthusiastic about the way of thinking - wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...

[Pessimist22]

Workers of capitalist labor, exploiters and exploited.

[AUL]

Quote: paul3390

And - how is a firearm connected with this gorgeous idea? Well - and to publicly smack bloggers for not being enthusiastic about the way of thinking - wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...

I didn't understand the author at all - what did he want to say with his article? He started, like, about a firearm, walked through society, and ended with a sentence

To give teachers and educators the right to cool hysterical mothers and their children with a word, without trial and investigation for these words (the teacher's word is not discussed; that is, if a child shit / insulted, then he shit / insulted. Teachers should not be forced to endure cries and complaints about the fact that “my child is uniquely (!) shit / insulted, and the teachers punish him for it”).

Somehow everything is hectic and indistinct. Okay, let's take into account that this is the first publication experience, so there is no need to throw anything at it.
Don't shoot the pianist, he plays as best he can!

[prior]

"I'm talking about "civilian weapons" / "self-defense of a citizen" "

I hear about executions with the use of hunting weapons regularly.
But I can't remember examples of real self-defense,
except that the plot is about a granny who called the bears to order, though without a weapon.
Question. Is it really necessary to have a weapon for self-defense?

[paul3390]

But I can't remember examples of real self-defense,

And how do you imagine self-defense in the city using, say, a double-barreled gun? Unless, of course, they are not bursting directly into your apartment - and even then it is impossible, they will say - it was necessary to wait for the police ..

In addition, we do not know how many cases of pure self-defense were recorded by our valiant courts in murders, exceeding, infliction, etc. .. Well, he does not like his native state when its subjects have the insolence to defend themselves and their families themselves !! Some kind of terrible sedition against the regime he sees in this .. What is it - today they will protect themselves from a criminal, and tomorrow - from whom they will think of? It turns out badly somehow ..

[prior]

So.
There are weapons for self-defense, but there are no positive examples and statistics of this self-defense.
Or maybe this information is dangerous for the authorities?

[alstr]

There are examples of positive self-defense, but usually these examples become positive only after bright coverage in the press and, moreover, in the central one.

[NDR-791]

Quote: paul3390

Unless, of course, they do not burst directly into your apartment - and even then it is impossible, they will say - it was necessary to wait for the police ..

Worse, much worse ... We openly say that they came, did something happen? As soon as they kill, so come.

[Doctor]

I hear about executions with the use of hunting weapons regularly.
But I can't remember examples of real self-defense,
except that the plot is about a granny who called the bears to order, though without a weapon.
Question. Is it really necessary to have a weapon for self-defense?

Here recently a dude killed three students.
With a kitchen knife.

Question. Is a knife really necessary in the kitchen?

[prior]

You can strangle with your bare hands, offer the hands of that ... to the very gray ears?

[Evil troll]

What for? There is a law. Keep hands disassembled in a safe. For five years I was like with ordinary hands - you have the right to sign up for boxing.

[Doctor]

You can strangle with your bare hands, offer the hands of that ... to the very gray ears?

That's what I'm talking about. You can kill with a hoe.

So far, the real alignment is as follows:

Total crimes for 2017 - 2 058 476

Of them with a firearm - 4717 (0,23%).

Total killed 29324
Incl. using weapons (any weapon!) 836 (2,9%).

https://media.mvd.ru/files/application/1241295

It is not the weapon that kills, but the man.

[Understanding]

It is not the weapon that kills, but the man.

From these figures it follows that in Russia legal weapons do not kill (almost).

[72jora72]

Question. Is a knife really necessary in the kitchen?

I propose to store knives with the police, if you need to use a knife, go to a psychiatrist and apply for a temporary receipt in 4 days in advance ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: 72jora72

I propose to store knives with the police, if you need to use a knife, go to a psychiatrist and apply for a temporary receipt in 4 days in advance ...

Laugh, by the way. Quite a serious proposal is being discussed and not about knives, but about hunting. Store in LRO and before the hunt I will apply to write for receipt by providing a voucher and all other documents.

[72jora72]

Laugh, by the way

And where did you get the idea that I'm laughing? Knowing our leadership, I just foresee .....

[bk0010]

Quote: prior

Is it really necessary to have a weapon for self-defense?

Absolutely necessary.

[Lech from Android.]

It is very necessary ... read the story of the attack on the Zobenkov family ... the guy got off easily ... the bandits could have killed and prosecutors could have sued for self-defense.

[Kir Duc]

But I can't remember examples of real self-defense,

And this is because, firstly, trauma as a weapon of self-defense is really not a fountain, and secondly, a character who successfully defends himself with a firearm, as a rule, becomes an accused himself, and "success" here is very relative. But where people have the opportunity to use combat wearable weapons, everything is somewhat different, offhand: https://pikabu.ru/story/primeryi_uspeshnoy_samooboronyi_v_ssha_s_ispolzovaniem_ognestrelnogo_oruzhiya_prufyi1514385_zagetazatei_oruzhiya_prufyi__zagetazatei_XNUMX

[sharp-lad]

Real self-defense ... with what in your hands?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

I shed a lot of tears from such childish naivety. Author well, what are the october pioneers? Now more likely some kind of Jugend. Nichrome, all this will not work.

[savage1976]

It is immediately evident that the author does not at all understand how the turnover of firearms and ammunition for them is organized in the country. Legal turnover of course. Let me explain. 1. There is a base of owners of firearms and, in accordance with the law, a citizen can have no more than 5 units of different types of weapons. If you try to acquire a sixth barrel, you will be denied a license.
You can get a license or renew it only in the region where the citizen is registered. With temporary registration or without registration, it will not be possible to obtain a license and acquire weapons legally.
2. Ammunition for weapons is legally sold only upon presentation of the ROC and in accordance with the type of ammunition specified in it. Uncle Styopa cannot buy for Uncle Petit, unless the type of ammunition they have is the same for weapons. The store takes into account who and for what ROC ammunition and in what quantity are sold. Even gunpowder in stores is sold only upon presentation of ROH and some components of ammunition, such as a primer.
Before writing articles, you should still familiarize yourself with the procedure for the circulation of civilian weapons and ammunition.

[neri73-r]

Quote: savage1976

in accordance with the law, a citizen can have no more than 5 different types of weapons.

No more than five of the same type (smooth / grooved), more is possible, but it is already drawn up as a collection, other requirements.

[Ilya22558]

I will add: 5 long-barrels and 2 OOOP (rezinostrel). It is permissible for a citizen to issue a collection license, then more can be stored. But there are completely different storage requirements))))

[Galleon]

Congratulations to the author on the first article. I wish not the last one. Publicism is not an easy matter: there are a lot of critics, and there are critics.
Let's understand that the author does not get into the analysis of the mentality of society and does not propose to eliminate the cause of outbursts of blind hatred among the "offended unappreciated", but offers something really accessible "here and now", as a pragmatist. Normal suggestions, about Putin's only bust - you cannot assemble a team and educate it on the ideas of selfishness and individualism. There are no ideas of collectivism here and cannot be. Well, do not shout just "Russia forward" from morning to evening.
Let's do without hurricane criticism. The week is just beginning

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

Normal suggestions, about Putin only brute force

Yeah. Normal offers, only worthless.

[Galleon]

Not understood? I repeat once again: a person writes for the first time. Be more condescending. Will write in the second, say then. Let's say together.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

I repeat once again: a person writes for the first time.

Let him write. I do not mind. At least he is trying to find an opportunity to make life better. This is a huge plus. Another thing is that he writes nonsense. And not to mention it is to indulge in further nonsense writing. Is it not enough for you? For me, so much.

[Understanding]

I repeat once again: a person writes for the first time.

Is he thinking for the first time too? If you don’t know or don’t understand, don’t write.

[Galleon]

Do you think I do not see the imperfection of the material presented? I'm just against a speedy trial. How much will the author understand about improving his gaze if he is told that

Normal offers, only worthless.

?

[Basarev]

Well, I don’t know, I would be closer to the civilized wild West, such is the modern Republic of Texas. The bottom line is that respectable citizens will always be able to resolve misunderstandings peacefully, and the pistol will not be a burden (on the other hand, no one wants to aggravate when the interlocutors also have pistols). Well, if he shows up, then courts, warrants, sentences, investigation and other stuffiness become unnecessary - you just need to overtake and shoot the scumbag.

[paul3390]

Let the left boot squelch,
Let the butt crack on the mosink.
I have no more enemies
I buried them today behind a clearing ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Basarev

Well, if he shows up, then courts, warrants, sentences, investigation and other stuffiness become unnecessary - you just need to overtake and shoot the scumbag.

Do you know. There are probably reasons why people left such a structure of society. This is so hinting.

[Galleon]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

people left such a structure of society

Where did they come from? to BLM? to the promotion of same-sex debauchery? To frostbitten feminism and hordes of migrants in your home? It would be better for them to stop there.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

Where did they come from? to BLM? to the promotion of same-sex debauchery? To frostbitten feminism and hordes of migrants in your home? It would be better for them to stop there.

Really. Instead of rebuilding society in accordance with the increased productive forces, that is, making the transition to communism, we would rather return to the dense Middle Ages. Does nothing in this logic confuse you?

[Galleon]

If there is logic, it is never embarrassing. And in concrete thought - no. I wouldn't go back there. I would have escaped there and lived with pleasure. Do you like to wallow in the modern "goodness" of megalopolises for the sake of the development of productive forces and dreams of the transition to communism? Where? FROM HERE ????

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

I would run there.

But not me. For the prospect of bent over from some banal appendicitis does not inspire me in any way. Why is there from appendicitis you can simply die of hunger.

[Galleon]

I had to bend over from the loss of blood from an ulcer, from salmonellosis in the sea in my youth, I also happened in some situations, but at such moments you clearly feel that you are living! And I don't know how to die better. But it's better to live as you like - then you will be sick less - that is absolutely certain.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

I had to bend over from the loss of blood with an ulcer, from salmonellosis in the sea in my youth, I also happened in some situations, but at such moments you clearly feel that you are living!

You can always find adventure on your heel in any socio-economic formation. At the same time, it is not necessary to drag the whole society along with you.

Quote: Galleon

And I don't know how to die better.

Probably it is better to die so that later adequate descendants remembered about you with gratitude. And I doubt to the extreme that you will be remembered so much if you drag society into the Middle Ages.

[Galleon]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

At the same time, it is not necessary to drag the whole society with you.

Well, yes, I sleep and see how to drag everyone there. What the fuck is this society to me there ??? Are you especially? Do you have anxiety mania? Nobody drags you anywhere. And your software advice is also unnecessary for me - their quality suffers.
That's it, I don't answer anymore, I'll go to work.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

Well, yes, I sleep and see how to drag everyone there. What the fuck is this society to me there ??? Are you especially? Do you have anxiety mania?

How do you imagine it then? You personally have a wild west, but not all around? And people like you should not cause concern with your country and aspirations?

Quote: Galleon

And your software advice to me, too, unnecessarily - their quality suffers.

And I haven’t given you any advice yet. You see, your perception of reality suffers. It seems to you that they give you advice, but I just expressed my opinion on the issue.

Quote: Galleon

I'll go to work.

This will be the best. Bad thoughts will not enter your head.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Galleon

Do you like to wallow in the modern "goodness" of megalopolises for the sake of the development of productive forces and dreams of the transition to communism?

No I do not like. Metropolitan areas are what they are solely thanks to capitalism. They could have been made much better. But we have all the money that could be spent on this goes to the parasitic ruling class of the bourgeoisie.

[your1970]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

... They could have been made much better. But we have all the money that could be spent on this goes to the parasitic ruling class of the bourgeoisie.

I'm embarrassed to ask - who prevented the USSR from making them an order of magnitude better? Also a parasitic ruling class of the bourgeoisie?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: your1970

Too shy to ask

Do not hesitate to ask.

Quote: your1970

also a parasitic ruling class of the bourgeoisie?

The bronzed party nomenklatura has completely detached itself from the people. The truth is even worse now. Then at least the economic system was planned for the working man. And now it is exclusively for the parasitic class of the bourgeoisie.

[your1970]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Then at least the economic system was planned for a man of labor

In what place? With a salary of 60 rubles for cleaning ladies, nannies in hospitals and postmen? With a salary of 120 rubles for engineers?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Well, now that has changed. The cleaning ladies, nannies, and the postman began to sound. Oh, no, they didn't.

[saygon66]

- And with the price of 11 kopecks for a loaf of bread and 45 rubles for an air ticket from Tashkent to Vladivostok ... And the salaries of oil workers, miners and sailors were much higher

[your1970]

Quote: saygon66

- And with the price of 11 kopecks for a loaf of bread and 45 rubles for an air ticket from Tashkent to Vladivostok ...

- count it in any equivalent - for gold, bread, vodka, butter, cars, anyone - and you will be surprised to see that the then 11 kopecks cost more than the current 26 rubles for a loaf of bread.
45 rubles for today's money is somewhere between 10-12 and a third of the salary of an engineer then

Quote: saygon66

And the salaries of oil workers, miners and sailors were much higher

- these people do not swell with hunger even now ...

[saygon66]

- This is where the bread is 26 rubles. costs? With us, this is the price of a bun ...
- In 87m I earned 700-900 rubles. adjuster of CNC machines. The price of a TV "with a Finnish pipe" That money could buy a lot ...

[your1970]

Quote: saygon66

This is where the bread is 26 rubles. costs? We have this price of a bun ..

loaf of bread from 19 to 32 rubles - Saratov Zavolzhye
26 ruble gray is the most delicious in our city

[Aag]

Quote: your1970

Quote: saygon66

This is where the bread is 26 rubles. costs? We have this price of a bun ..

loaf of bread from 19 to 32 rubles - Saratov Zavolzhye
26 ruble gray is the most delicious in our city

26-45 rubles, Irkutsk ...
... I dare to remind you that the current "communal apartment" is, at times, a third of the income of certain segments of the population (((.

[your1970]

Quote: AAG

I dare to remind you that the current "communal" is, at times, a third of the incomes of certain segments of the population (((

I do not argue ... in Soviet times there was no such number of energy consumers as now - microwave ovens, kettles, boilers and others. There was practically no hot water. There was no Internet. There were no owners - therefore there was no major overhaul as an expense item ... ...
A penny to a pretty penny is running into a lot of money for housing and communal services
Implement all this then - it may well be that even then the communal apartment would be high

[Woodman]

Perhaps the most sensible article on this topic on this resource.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

To revive the organizational structure of the "october pioneers"

In that bloody, totalitarian time, these organizations had an ideological component. Solemn promise of the "Octobrists": When we join the ranks of the Octobrists, we solemnly promise before our comrades: - To be faithful heirs of pioneer traditions; - Study diligently, conscientiously, as the great Lenin bequeathed; - Do not leave comrades in trouble, etc. The solemn oath of the pioneer of the Soviet Union: "When I join the ranks of the All-Union Pioneer Organization named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, in the face of my comrades I solemnly promise to love my Motherland fervently. To live, study and fight as I bequeathed the great Lenin, as the Communist Party teaches. It is sacred to observe the Laws of the Pioneers of the Soviet Union. " Well, the laws of the pioneers of the Soviet Union:
1. The pioneer is devoted to the Motherland, the party, communism
2. The pioneer prepares to become a member of the Komsomol
3. The pioneer looks up to the heroes of struggle and labor
4. The pioneer honors the memory of the fallen fighters and prepares to become the defender of the Fatherland
5. The pioneer is the best in school, work and sports
6. A pioneer is an honest and loyal comrade who always bravely stands for the truth
7. Pioneer - comrade and counselor october
8. A pioneer is a friend to pioneers and children of working people of all countries. It was logical then, but if we now edit this law, two or three points will remain from it.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And the slogan of the new pioneers will probably be. “I am always ready to squeeze out the surplus value!” And a badge with a portrait of Yeltsin.

[your1970]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

The solemn oath of the pioneer of the Soviet Union: "When I join the ranks of the All-Union Pioneer Organization named after Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, in the face of my comrades I solemnly promise to love my Motherland fervently. To live, study and fight, as the great Lenin bequeathed,

Mmmm .... remind me - were the pioneers and members of the Komsomol those who, in a year or two, drove a competitor into the woods in the trunk at night? Even in the 80s (before the 90s)?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And besides stupid questions, you still have no smart ones? And in general, you are not tired of the first time about the same thing? Or work it off as you want?

[your1970]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And besides stupid questions, you still have no smart ones? And in general, you are not tired of the first time about the same thing? Or work it off as you want?

That is the answer You you know ??? !!!!
That the rattling of mossy dogmas in the 70s and 80s led to the collapse of the USSR? That LIE in the 70s and 80s destroyed everything that is possible and not allowed in the USSR?
People began to believe in astrologers and other garbage - because the belief in a bright future fell!
People began to believe in Rezun - because the leadership was modestly silent about the beginning of the war (how it was completely overwhelmed) ...
What was there to believe - in equality? if the warehouse manager / merchandiser lived at times better - hard workers? if the waiter in the pub earned the salary of an engineer per day?
the hard worker was traveling on a free ticket to the south in February - and the hucksters and thieves in August?
What then did not care about the people of power, what now ...
Nobody stood up in defense of the USSR - not 16 million communists, not the army, not the KGB / Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
The army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs received a salary for the defense of the USSR and swore allegiance to the USSR - did it help the USSR? Schaz ....
And this accomplished fact....

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And why are these ancient fossil dissident snot? What did you want to say? That now we are going to this bright future? You know, somehow imperceptibly. You adherents of correct capitalism seem to have their own separate fabulous Russia, in which everything is fine.

[your1970]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

What did you want to say?

Only the fact that shaking old slogans in 70-80 did not inspire anyone ...
Only that the USSR died ...
Only that he was betrayed by those - who vowed to protect him and received a salary for it

Z. if suddenly (at the behest of a pike) there was now THAT USSR, you and your generation would have buried it in a couple of years. And this is a fact ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: your1970

if suddenly (at the behest of a pike) there was now THAT USSR, you and your generation would have buried it in a couple of years. And this is a fact ...

Are you sure that with the current trends, the Russian Federation will last 70 years as the USSR? The current situation in Russia suspiciously resembles Brezhnev's stagnation. Then, even 10 years after his death, a catastrophe occurred. And this despite the fact that then the USSR, despite all the problems, was economically, politically and militarily much stronger than the Russian Federation now.

[your1970]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Are you sure

-no, not sure
Only the problem is this: the population of the USSR was extremely NOT spoiled as a result of 2 World and Civil Wars.
You yourself remember this - mandarin = a holiday with memories for several years
And now, if you cut off the flow of imports, the population will begin to be indignant - that there is no equipment, no cars, no computers, no iPhones. And none of the post-USSR generations will want to wait for this for only a few years or even a decade. And the promise - "but the grandchildren will live well !!!" will not help.
They want HERE and NOW .....

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The author proposes to create new "Octobrists-pioneers" and what will be the ideological component? Let me remind you something else, those who were in power now and even themselves, swore to be loyal to Lenin's cause, so your example with the trunk is shallow ...

[your1970]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

your example with the trunk is fine ...

Of course small ... the mighty ideology has rotted so much that the ideologists themselves buried it ...

[Daniil Konovalenko]

And now what a powerful ideology? What did the "change shoes" suggest? And what do they offer? Okay, even if that was bad, what can today's honest and decent people offer instead of bad and rotten? Now they are in power from top to bottom?

[your1970]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

And now what a powerful ideology? What did the "change shoes" suggest? And what do they offer? Okay, even if that was bad, what can today's honest and decent people offer instead of bad and rotten? Now they are in power from top to bottom?

I repeat - there is a fact of the collapse of the USSR in the presence of an ideology and ideological apparatus.
All the countries of the socialist camp had an ideology. Did it help? !!!!
There remained Cuba (based on Castro's charisma and anti-Americanism) and China (everything is not clear there at all).
Everything.....

[Ilya22558]

Regarding the chapter "Ideas" point 2, sub-item "c" and "d": I really want to ask the author if he tried to buy cartridges without a valid weapon license (and she, for a second, with a photo)? Did he try to buy the rifle cartridges face-to-face and where was he sent at the same time? Has the author tried to purchase cartridges of a different caliber than those specified in the license and where was he sent? Does the author know that when buying ANY (for OOP, smooth rifled) cartridges, the license number, the number of purchased cartridges are recorded, and the buyer signs in the accounting book. The sale of primers and gunpowder is also carried out only under a valid license.
Advice: if you undertake to write articles on this subject, then take the trouble to study the subject.

[Vsevolod Z]

I will add, in addition to ROC, a whole list of chemical reagents, I also cannot buy. A small amount according to the passport and with the registration of the purchase, more is already a problem.
PS Although where I am at home more than 3 liters of hydrochloric and nitric acid.
Although I lie easily salt, nitrogen according to the passport. Methylene chloride is easy, acetone according to the passport. Potassium permanganate only according to the passport, but at least 10 kg.

[Avior]

Unfortunately, it is not very difficult to make a perfectly usable explosive for a homemade bomb from the most common ingredients - the popular fertilizer, paint powder, and the very popular sugary food.
(((

[dzvero]

There is such a thing, but unfortunately it will not work out anymore - the fertilizer is phlegmatized, the powder is slowly removed from the shelves, the quality of the sweet food product is also not ice ...

[Avior]

I saw it on the Internet, it explodes :(

[dzvero]

quite explodes

Why wouldn't ammonal explode But only with the right ingredients. What is on the counter is no longer quite suitable.
When I was little I collected everything I needed (an ancient textbook of chemistry came across in my hands), but before assembling the "product" I became thoughtful (it came out under a kilogram because I measured with spoons and glasses) ... I threw it out and switched to safer mixtures

[Avior]

Dynamon. I will not write the details.
As for phlegmatization, in Beirut, saltpeter did not know about it, it seems: ((

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Avior

I will not write the details.

Yes, better not. And then there are many aspirants, we have one such bus blown up, with careless transportation. A lot of Norod died.

[Avior]

yes, there are many fools. better not to provoke :(

[Ilya22558]

These are the so-called precursors, here they are not worried about explosives, but about the production of drugs.

[Avior]

Unfortunately, they can also be used to make explosives :(

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ilya22558

has he tried to buy cartridges without a valid gun license

Ten years ago it was possible. I personally witnessed. Now I do not know.

[Ilya22558]

Such a feint will not work anymore. In any case, in St. Petersburg

[Seryoga64]

3. To revise the law on self-defense (the concept of "permissible defense" is a very controversial point in an emergency situation).

With two hands "FOR"

1. To revive the organizational structure of the “Octobrists-Pioneers” (the structure and principles / rules should be returned, it can be called differently).

You will not find such pioneer counselors as they were in our time

Empower teachers and educators

Better to the guards
[quote Punish publicly "demonstrative" bloggers (if such a blogger deliberately, publicly and demonstratively violates the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation / Civil Code of the Russian Federation / AK RF / SDA, then he should also be punished for this publicly, publicly and meaningfully). [/ quote]
Just the other day they showed a new trend
Bullying women online
Likes sea !!!!
One of his wife froze to death on the balcony. Everything is online. Sea of ​​likes
And finally, how my child will defend himself with a rifle on his shoulder at school, for example

[Evil troll]

What will I say.
1. What is 0,7 volume? What is this, so to speak, underwater displacement? You dipped it in a bucket of water and measure how much has flowed out?
2. October pioneers. What is the idea to revive them?
3. Punishing bloggers publicly is only to make them more popular.

[for]

civilized humanity

In my opinion, civilized society and weapons (except for hunting) are not compatible, for this there are appropriate authorities.

To revive the organizational structure of the "october pioneers"

Yes, it seems they were and are - the young guard, ours, the youth army, etc. If there is something in the Octobrists and the pioneers, but the Komsomol and the modern direct springboard for bad people.

[Dedok]

crap
count how many people die under the wheels of cars, separately count how many people are killed by all kinds of "ladies"!
this year, at least two outrageous cases! and both with "mares"!
and no weapons are needed - the car was presented by someone close, and the rights for money are given to everyone
why doesn't anyone raise these questions?
why only there was a misfortune with weapons and immediately draconian measures on weapons? -
and if people were run over by a car, then the court will give 3 years and after 1,5 years already on parole?
why no one asks questions of a "so-called humanitarian character"? - the hunters have banned foot-grabbing traps - they kill the victim inhumanely! Is it humane to crush our children in the courtyards of our houses?
all these stuffing, discussions - from the trolls: we are being prepared to take away weapons from us legally, but not to protect our lives from troubles
IMHO

[neri73-r]

c) also, if the ammunition is purchased not by the "owner" of the weapon, then this will also be a reason for questions (the barrel is registered to "dad / uncle / well, or something like that", but did Gavroche go for cartridges? Well, well ...);

d) variation of point "c", only when the owner of the "smooth" takes on the "rifled";

Both points are superfluous, they will not sell, this is a violation.

[Diverter]

If someone is stuck in the head. And this subhuman decided to arrange a mass murder, then he will find a way how to do it. And not necessarily with a firearm. It can be gas (Japan), a truck (France), grenades (France), explosives (Spain), a kitchen knife (RF).
Having a pistol in every citizen will actually cool everyone down. Because in response, it will fly in immediately. We need to change the self-defense law and allow everyone to have a gun. For example, only domestic production of the revolver type. (to have a long recharge)

[your1970]

Quote: Saboteur

Having a pistol in every citizen will actually cool everyone down.

The number of street crimes in the United States is stable ... and no one is cooled by 400 million barrels per 360 million population ...
And according to your theory, there should be zero ...

[Diverter]

Well, everything is never perfect, and the mattresses here are not at all an example. They just have a huge foreign population. Examples include Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Singapore, etc.

[your1970]

Quote: Saboteur

Well, everything is never perfect, and the mattresses here are not at all an example. They just have a huge foreign population.

So the answer can come from anyone, even a stranger, even his own. Pistols are sold quite openly and easily

But the knowledge of this street criminals in the United States does not stop

[Diverter]

"They just have a huge foreign population" is written in Russian.

[your1970]

Quote: Saboteur

"They just have a huge foreign population" is written in Russian.

And that it is alien? It cannot buy a pistol or does not know what the local weapons have a shaft ?????

[Diverter]

this means that they wanted to spit on this country and these laws. They are like locusts, they just use this territory to the maximum. They live in their ghettos according to their own laws, sometimes going outside the ghetto to hunt the rich.

[your1970]

Quote: Saboteur

this means that they wanted to spit on this country and these laws.

-so if they wanted to spit on the laws, then there are many times more weapons. That is, "pistik" versus "pistik".
Favorite formula of the Hoplophiles ...

[Roadpatrol]

Hoplophobia, or hoplophobia (from ancient Greek ὅπλον - weapon and other Greek φόβος - fear) - fear and dislike towards weapons and armed citizens. It is not a weapon that kills, but a person, a weapon is just a tool like a hammer, knife, ax, pencil, screwdriver, brick, car, their name is legion, they can also kill them, too, take away and only let them be from specially trained people The weapon of law-abiding citizens is their right to protection and the ability to level their chances with an armed criminal.

[saygon66]

- All food products that need cutting must be cut at the place of production! And only specially trained and licensed operators should be allowed to access the slicer.

[ermak124.0]

What was it? What have I read ???

[AB]

Uh, what did I read? Is the author sick and writing incomprehensible thoughts in his delirium? Lord, give him health and do not allow him to write articles, and even more so books.

[Maximilian37]

We disagree, the author is a student of the Faculty of Journalism, who has absolutely no idea about the circulation of weapons in the Russian Federation.

[saygon66]

- When we stand up for control over something, it is worth asking ourselves the question - where to get impartial controllers with the highest moral principles? And who controls the controllers? The upbringing of such people requires the life of more than one generation ... even the Union has not achieved this in 70 years ... And the issue of legal nihilism in society requires an immediate solution. And the right to arms is a very small part of that decision. And if someday the society reaches evangelical standards in its development, the need to arm itself will disappear by itself.
-In terms of disarming the population, the history of Japan is very indicative - the more there were prohibitions, the more inventive the people became, successfully crushing each other with the help of garden tools, various household items, and, with bare hands - in the end ... Yes, and our history is full examples of folk invention in terms of self-harm. Than only they did not fight on the street ...
- During the Soviet Union, the sale of knives, except for kitchen knives, was regulated ... manufacturing was prohibited - a terrible crime! Now in stores there are hundreds of models from various manufacturers, at various prices, without any permits ... And there is no mass slaughter!
- There is an abundance of weapons in the country (as the hoplofobians shout about it), but no one is eager to storm the bastions of power ... Maybe because the problem is greatly inflated?

[Kir Duc]

What stream of consciousness have I read? Do not write anymore, this is clearly not yours. Well, 0.7 l - is it a little bit according to grandfather Freud? Blue is evil!

But in general - let it be, this is an exemplary article by a hoplofob who intelligently gives idiotic recommendations without having the slightest idea about the subject of the conversation. Keep it up, show the people the hoplofob in all its glory.

[depressant]

Read the article and comments.
Advantages of the article:

a) short;
b) in many theses it is designed for intuitive understanding, that is, just the same without "water".

Advantages of comments:
a) a high level of consistency;
b) knowledge of the law on weapons;
c) examples from personal experience.

Author, write more! )))
Please only include federal law numbers, names, dates of enactment, and indications of amendments. The State Duma, tirelessly of hands and other limbs, is currently shoveling ALL previously adopted laws. As a result, amendments, which often radically change the meaning of laws, are applied to each of the previous legislative acts.
I wish you success! )))

[Undecim]

Read the article and comments.
Advantages of the article:

a) short;

We can stop there.

[depressant]

Viktor Nikolaevich, you, as always, are supercritical and strict)))
I believe that the Author will look into our local realities, and from the Zen method of presentation in a youth style, he will move to academic forms. )))

[Undecim]

will move to academic forms

It's not about the form, but the content.

[depressant]

Well, there is no objection here.
As an advantage, the content in my comment does not appear under any item.
The only message of the article is to check the level of anger among the population after the elections. I was even surprised at how tall it was. Not according to the comments to this article - about guest workers. The corpse of a Russian is an internal policy. External corpse of a guest worker.
So it is necessary to decide whether to distribute weapons, or to shrink guest workers.

[akela_sp]

Interestingly, at least someone who writes articles, comments and reads them knows about the existence of this document: Order of the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation of March 30, 2018 N 107 "On approval of the Administrative Regulations of the Federal Service of the National Guard of the Russian Federation on the provision of state services for the issuance of certain categories of retired military personnel and employees of state paramilitary organizations, as well as officials of state bodies who are authorized by law to keep and carry weapons, permits to store and carry short-barreled firearms and cartridges for them, or permits to store certain models of military cold bladed weapons (daggers), inherited ... "

[akela_sp]

An interesting picture. He gave the name of the order on the Russian Guard, on the procedure for issuing permits for short-barrels to certain groups of persons, which is freely available. The comment flashed and then disappeared. I put the link http://base.garant.ru/71934062/ The search engine gives a full document by the number of this order. It's about a hundred pages long. The order is detailed, the forms of all the necessary documents are given. But at the last moment, something didn't work (or worked the other way). The order came out in time, but all the other laws included in the chain, "On weapons", "On self-defense" did not change. Judging by the promptness of deleting the comment, this "something" is still working.

[Aurel]

Someone about what, and "lousy" about the bath.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Well, yes, well, yes, well, yes ... Let's ban all weapons in the country. Let private hunting rifles be kept in the gun rooms in the police or army arsenals, and we will deliver them to the hunting place on request in armored vehicles, and immediately confiscate them after the hunt ...
Will this solve the problem ???
I think no!!! If a potential criminal is smart enough to get a firearm, learn how to use it and wreak a mass slaughter, then if a factory firearm is unavailable, he (the criminal) will make it (a firearm) on his own ...
And perhaps even worse - he will sit down at chemistry textbooks and after half a year or a year in his kitchen "from caramel, vegetable oil and washing powder" will make a "hellish machine" and more than one ...
Then what, let's prohibit the teaching of chemistry, remove chemistry textbooks from libraries ...

I think that nothing, absolutely nothing can be solved by bans and tightening of measures, the answer to the correct answer to the question of how to fight massacres lies somewhere completely different ...

[Old Michael]

The above esteemed Galleon has already called for leniency in relation to the first publication of the Author.
Joining this call, I note Valentin's ability, which is rare for publications on VO, to express his thoughts compactly and without "verbal fringe".
Yes, this style presupposes the reader's ability to assimilate information-rich text in one pass and without losing a logical thread (and in the text, by the way, some logical chains are given by a dotted line. Apparently, the Author sincerely hopes that any reader will easily complete them for himself!)
Alas! Some commentators did not master this task and began to cling to individual (and, sometimes, not the most important) statements of the article.
So, bravo, Valentine! And do not be discouraged that your most important thoughts were left without comment. Perhaps those who agreed with them kept silent, because there is nothing to add, or there is no desire to join the muddy stream of information noise.

With the initiative of you!

Yours faithfully,
Michael

[Wildcat]

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Let my comment be 125, the site needs clickbait.
I support the previous speakers (and the ban is 0,7 liters, such a container is not needed). It would seem that Topvar could stop at Damantsevo, but "here you go" ...

[Prometheus]

Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

from the standard Ksenia chambered for 7.62mm

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[Jan]

Kindergarten-pants with straps! All legal weapons are registered, and psychos have been and will be! It is not necessary to engage in prohibition! They know how to keep and not let go in Russia better than anyone else in the world! The scoop was no exception! Now it seems like "freedom" but not for everyone: capitalism, however! Therefore, the weapon is only for the hunt ... For those who are on the milestone, this is not relevant, they do not need: the guards are on guard and the acquisition is not a question! For the rest (at the bottom) there is a gorgeous slogan: "... you hold on there ..."

[saygon66]

- In this and similar articles, one is surprised by the unconditional readiness to shift the concern for the safety of the individual to the "appropriate authorities" and "specially trained people."
- Any projects, including the upbringing of "new people" by "opionizing" the population!
- Reality suggests that it is impossible to eradicate crime - not a single social formation has succeeded.
- It is impossible to put a guardian of order for every 500 meters, and their number cannot be increased indefinitely. And, even if they are in abundance, they cannot arrive at the same time to the scene of the crime.
- And against the background of all this, demanding to deprive people of the chance for self-defense with the help of weapons is there a sound logic?
- People who are ready to shift responsibility for their life and health and the life and health of their loved ones exclusively to law enforcement agencies are simply afraid to take this responsibility upon themselves.
- Imagine a situation when, at a critical moment, law enforcement officers, due to objective reasons, will not be able to arrive on time, and the relatives of the opponents of armed self-defense will be seriously hurt, possibly to a lethal outcome. What screams about what - "you had to protect us", "we pay taxes for this" can fix what happened? What punishments should be used to compensate for the loss of life or health against those guilty of delayed assistance? At least shoot everyone - it will not change anything for those whose loved ones have suffered.
- Why should someone value your life and your loved ones more than you value it? By virtue of the performance of official duties? Oh well...
- I do not know what the name of the disease is when a person is constantly in a state of fear of something ... In our case, it is fear of a weapon in a neighbor's house ... Well ... and healed happily ... But no! Now we are afraid of weapons in the hands of those who are "supposed" to have them! What if this weapon is in the hands of a "dirty" policeman or a maddened military man?
- It's not even a fear of weapons - it's a fear of living! And the desire to shift responsibility for whatever happens in life onto the shoulders of others ...

[CYM]

Quote: prior

There are weapons for self-defense, but there are no positive examples and statistics of this self-defense.

There are also official statistics and positive examples of self-defense. There are few examples of firearms. https://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/72185504/

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Dear Valentine, but here the problem is much more serious ...

The point is not the "kibalchish bad guys" at all. And the fact that society itself is infected with aggression (for now, unfortunately). That is, even almost any "kibalchish" may at some point just lose nerves, and he stupidly starts firing (but it is much more difficult to neutralize a smart "kibalchish" shooter than a simple stupid "bad guy" !!!).

Hence the simplest conclusion. It is better to completely close this issue altogether (for a while !!!) until it finally calms down and "enters into the framework" of society itself.
And no "organizational structures" will help here at all - until the previous point is resolved. It will be just extra work for bureaucrats - but not a real solution to the problem. Do you see the point? I don't see it yet, honestly.

[trophy]

Article - FU. The author is not competent. Ammunition is sold under a permit for storage (carrying) and only of the appropriate caliber and even asking for a passport for some reason. Ammunition, as a rule, does not buy 1-2 pieces. Personally, I take it for several seasons, it all depends on the expiration date. What does it mean: "everything that is less than 0,7 liters in volume." I do not know. You need to beat your negligent children personally and not wait until the teachers do it. Well, for insane parents to see a psychiatrist and tasty pills 3 times a day, but unfortunately the current social and social system has given rise to so many unbalanced consumers screaming only about their rights and loving to complain to the court, the prosecutor's office, the investigative committee and the UN that not a single psychiatry has can not cope, let alone our part of the raked-out health care system. It is necessary to engage not in toughening arms legislation, but in educating adequate citizens aimed at "Public above personal".

[Skyscream]

Quote: NDR-791

Store in the LRO and before the hunt I will apply to write for receipt by providing a voucher and all other documents.

In LRO it is corny that there are neither premises nor areas for storing such a quantity of weapons. Estimate how many weapons owners are in the area and how many they have in their hands. Will you fill a regular gunsmith to the ceiling? The head of the RLO of one of the cities near Moscow said something else: - And if the owner has scribbled on the Zhora's bed or, worse, and he later complained to me - there was no such thing!

[Arkebusier]

Only tyrants disarm people because they are afraid.
A man has the right and duty to protect others.

[Gnat76]

2. All the rest of the firearms and ammunition - to bring to the electronic base. Fortunately, technology already allows it.

And if I twist the cartridges myself, how can I take them into account? Shot - a sleeve overloaded - no technology will be enough and bases or reloading should be prohibited?

[MauZerR]

1. Short-barreled and all firearms that are less than 0,7 liters in volume should be banned. Let those who are "in execution" wear them.

You have not proposed anything new, these are current realities. 0,7L for weapons is an interesting measure. You can't figure it out without 0,5, or even better 0,5-0,7-033 ...

2. All the rest of the firearms and ammunition - to bring to the electronic base. Fortunately, technology already allows it.

You have not proposed anything new, these are current realities.

Here's more about it:

a) the database will clearly show the dynamics of the acquisition of weapons and ammunition (that is, if a citizen has purchased more than 2 barrels and "peas" for zinc within a week, then this is definitely a reason to think and ask a couple of questions);

It has been working for a long time and is under the jurisdiction of the Russian Guard.

b) the age of the person who acquires the weapon will be recorded;

It has been working for a long time and is under the jurisdiction of the Russian Guard.

c) also, if the ammunition is purchased not by the "owner" of the weapon, then this will also be a reason for questions (the barrel is registered to "dad / uncle / well, or something like that", but did Gavroche go for cartridges? Well, well ...);

A non-owner of a weapon cannot buy cartridges, nor can the owner of a smooth one buy cartridges for rifling, etc. Only those ammunition that is on the permit card are sold.

d) variation of paragraph "c", only when the owner of the "smooth" takes on the "rifled"

See above

e) the base will allow taking into account seasonal adjustments for the acquisition of ammunition.

How's that?

3. To revise the law on self-defense (the concept of "permissible defense" is a very controversial point in an emergency situation).

The only reasonable argument.

1. To revive the organizational structure of the “Octobrists-Pioneers” (the structure and principles / rules should be returned, it can be called differently).

There is such an organization - Youth Army. What kind of game is going on there, it's not for me to tell you.

2. To give the right to teachers and educators the right to cool with words hysterical mothers and their children, without trial and investigation for these words

Give the right to senile aunts to "build" hysterical mothers? Why is the former better than the latter? Listening to the current teachers, what they are talking about, I get scared.

4. Punish publicly "demonstrative" bloggers

"A smart plan, Walter! As reliable as a Swiss watch." What else? The law should be the same for everyone. One has the right without trial and investigation, the second publicly demonstratively nabutylize ... What's next? Every dissenter on the kukan?
Here's an extreme example: Perm. Oktyabrsky district. The boy brought the Saiga batin to the school and started smacking at the offenders from it, managed to shoot a couple of times, because the shkolota could only hit the ceiling, for which he was hobbled by the school director, who turned out to be a man and simply wrote out a dangerous toy to a small crack. But the so-called. bullying in schools blooms and smells, and teachers condone it and it did not start yesterday, back in the Soviet Union. Here is an example of a victim of bullying, and I am 100% sure that the teachers knew and the class teacher was (a) aware that the kid was being bullied by his peers. Everything like it should be, let him "learn to be a man" ...