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Defense Ministry began to test promising elements of combat equipment "Warrior"

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Soldiers of the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation this fall will be able to test promising domestic developments in the field of military equipment for soldiers from the “Warrior” series, according to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. All in all, the tests that will take place from September to November 2012 on the territory of the Alabino training ground near Moscow will present around 40 various newly created or modernized elements of combat equipment: gunner, driver, and scout. The equipment will be included - small weapon, various body armor and clothing. Testing of new equipment sets will be carried out by military personnel of the 27-th separate motorized rifle brigade, stationed in Teply camp (Moscow).

According to Colonel-General Vladimir Chirkin, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Ground Forces, promising elements of the soldiers' combat gear were created as part of the Ratnik design and development projects, as well as in the course of initiative development of Russian defense enterprises. Last December, Yury Borisov, the first deputy chairman of the Military-Industrial Commission established under the Russian government, said that the “Warrior” outfit would be developed in the coming 3 of the year.

Equipment "Warrior" is today considered the easiest. Its total weight in the standard version, including body armor 5-th class of protection and overalls, will be about 10 kilograms. The maximum version of the equipment, which will include in the guards for the hips and shoulders, helmet, assault armor 6-th class of protection will weigh about 20 kilograms. In total, the set of equipment "Warrior" will include up to 20 of various elements.

According to Yury Borisov, development and research work on the development of new equipment for Russian military personnel was carried out by dozens of national defense enterprises. In his opinion, Russian gunsmiths are fully capable of creating the equipment of a soldier of the future, who will be able to compete on an equal footing with modern foreign models already in service with some countries of the world.
Defense Ministry began to test promising elements of combat equipment "Warrior"

The new Russian combat equipment of the “soldier of the future” should combine work in many areas, such as modern small arms, effective protection kits and communications equipment. New combat equipment for ground troops should, in addition to functionality, that is, for example, provide communications in the right direction in the conditions of various jamming conditions, to provide effective protection for the soldier against various damaging factors on the battlefield. New equipment is, first of all, a comprehensive solution that should combine intelligence in oneself. According to Yuri Borisov, the new equipment of the ground forces should have a modular layout and be adapted for combat operations in a variety of conditions.

In the event that the ground test of new Russian developments in the field of military equipment is successful, the new ammunition will soon begin to enter into service with the Russian army. After that, the appearance of the Russian soldier will undergo major changes and qualitatively change. In total, the 10 order of various subsystems was included in the new Russian combat gear "Warrior".

The need for new equipment

Modern realities of warfare dictate new conditions and requirements, today the soldier must have on hand a modern means of communication in order to navigate in a combat situation and receive the necessary instructions. It is necessary that the entire current tactical situation is displayed on the screen. A modern soldier must fight all day and around the clock. This means that he must necessarily have at hand a night-vision device with which he can conduct aimed fire at night.

The modern fighter should have the means of communication with which he could communicate on a tactical level with his colleagues and officers, coordinating his actions in combat conditions. He should have a comfortable helmet that is able to provide not only a good level of protection, but also comfort for his head. His equipment systems should allow the fighter to feel equally comfortable in different conditions in summer and in winter. In this summer, he should not fry in his suit, and in the winter - not to freeze.

Providing all these conditions brings modern infantry to a qualitatively new level of combat. For the first time, sets of equipment that satisfy these conditions appeared in the West, where soldiers were always taken seriously. Recently, more attention has been given to this topic in Russia, which is confirmed by the work on creating equipment for the “soldier of the future”, for example, the same “Warrior”.

It's no secret that today, NATO servicemen in their appearance have become similar to cyborg, while the Russian soldier engages in battle, almost in the same clothes in which his ancestors fought on the Borodino field nearly 200 years ago. The style of clothes has changed in Russia, but its content has largely remained the same. The same pants, the same undershirts and jackets, the same shoes - boots and boots. It is not by chance that at one moment representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense had an interest in the French ammunition FELIN.

At the same time, the fact that in the optimization of uniforms and the protection of a modern warrior was the Soviet / Russian scientific thought traditionally ahead of the world level is paradoxical and offensive. At present, it has been forgotten, but it was in the USSR that they were the first to start dressing motorized infantry in body armor. Heavy and not very comfortable body armor managed to save thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan.

At the end of the 1980-s in the USSR, work began on the development of a fundamentally new combat equipment of servicemen. The work was carried out at one of the leading defense enterprises of the country - TsNIITOCHMASH within the framework of the Barmitsa project. It was in the USSR that, for the first time in the world, the implementation of the advanced concept at the time: “soldier as a combat system.” At the enterprise, work was carried out to create a fundamentally new set of uniforms, as well as separate subsystems of protection, life support, destruction, control, and even power supply for an individual fighter.

By the beginning of 2000, the main armament and equipment complexes were generally created, and even in small batches began to enter into service with individual units. At the same time, work was begun on the creation of an even more advanced military combat vestment complex already in the framework of the new project “Warrior”.

What is a new ammunition

In appearance, the new Russian combat ammunition looks even more aesthetically pleasing than the one that the US Army soldiers are wearing on posters. And in its content, it is no worse. New protection is differentiated and combined. The vital organs of a fighter may be covered with special armor, which, depending on the functional tasks to be performed, may be steel, titanium or metal-ceramic. At the same time, synthetic protection is widely used. The helmet we were used to was replaced by helmets of various configurations, which are also made from a variety of materials: titanium, composites, or steel. New helmets will save the head of a soldier in situations where old helmets just made their way through.

The basis of the new equipment is aramid overalls, which are made of Alutex fiber manufactured by Kamenskvolokno. This jumpsuit is able to withstand a direct hit by fragments of grenades, mines or shells, as well as withstand exposure to an open flame for some time. In addition, the composition of the "Warrior" includes a special body armor and helmet. The standard version, consisting of an 5 protection class and overalls, weighs about 10 kg, an assault kit version of a helmet, an 6 protection class, and armor protection to protect the shoulders and hips of the fighter weighs about 20 kg. In general, a set of new combat equipment will be able to cover approximately 90% of the body surface of a soldier.

The “breathable” design of the new set of equipment will provide for the continuity of wearing for at least 48 hours. And the level of protection that will be implemented in the “Warrior”, will allow not to be afraid in some situations, even sniper fire. In this case, if necessary, the entire set of equipment can be reset with almost one movement in a few seconds.

Equipment set "Warrior" is a completely Russian invention. It was created by the Russian nugget designer Denis Salahov. The bullet-proof vest created in Russia for military men of the Navy is a world know-how. Russian specialists managed to combine the capabilities of a life jacket with a bulletproof vest. Thanks to this, a sailor carrying a watch that requires wearing a bulletproof vest will not sink when it gets into the water, but will float on the surface almost like a float.

A fighter who will be dressed in a new set of equipment will be provided with reliable, secure communications, will receive a target designation system, navigation and much more. A communicator will be placed on his ammunition, which will determine the coordinates of the soldier using GPS and GLONASS systems, which will make it quite easy to accomplish the tasks of target designation, orientation to the terrain and other applied calculations. In this case, the location of the soldier on the battlefield will be automatically transferred to the command post and the fighter in principle should not go missing.

The armament system at the current stage of development of the complex includes the newest version of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, equipped with a rifle grenade launcher, night vision sight, and a thermal aiming system, which has no analogues in the world, according to the designers. In addition, the soldier will receive a video module that will allow him to fire from around the corner or shelter, without protruding.

It is worth noting that the transmission of video information will be carried out in a wireless mode. Whereas the same French, in their FELIN ammunition, transmit data from the sight of the machine into the eyeglass indicator using a wired connection. The Russian set of equipment "Warrior" will literally be crammed with electronics, which will allow the soldier of the Russian army to become part of a unified combat system, managed using the latest network-centric technologies. For the first time, the new ammunition was presented at the MAKS-2011 air show last year. In the fall of 2012, the time came for her real military trials.

Information sources:
-http: //vz.ru/news/2012/9/2/596240.html
-http: //www.rg.ru/2012/09/04/soldat.html
-http: //news.mail.ru/politics/10069895/
-http: //www.argumenti.ru/army/2012/09/199826
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 12 September 2012 09: 45
    +5
    we keep pace with the times, only here the soldier could be better chosen for posturing, personally my opinion ...
    1. ZAVET
      ZAVET 12 September 2012 10: 38
      +3
      The developers are trying to hold on to the most recent achievements, so that they can then be sold as "new" discoveries. It `s naturally.
      However, how much time goes into this fuss with the alleged purchase of imported weapons and other scarecrows.

      But immediately and the machine learned to make body armor.
    2. Gurza
      Gurza 12 September 2012 10: 46
      +2
      In general, I believe that it is high time to take steps in this direction, not just photos, but for professionals to work, the production should be done, photos will be processed by Photoshop, as in the states here to take an example.
      1. Tjumenec72
        Tjumenec72 12 September 2012 12: 14
        0
        I agree you need to do this competently.
        Our "big shoulder straps" from the Ministry of Defense are also people, and they look like "bourgeois candy wrappers" lol
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 12 September 2012 12: 57
        +3
        What you described is called a competent presentation. And yes, here she was traditionally beaten.
    3. Maks111
      Maks111 12 September 2012 17: 51
      +3
      That’s even if you scratch my head, but I DO NOT BELIEVE that ordinary motorized rifles in some distant Zelenosk, at least 5 years later, will be dressed in this ammunition.
    4. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 12 September 2012 22: 27
      0
      step then step. but that would not work out as always, otherwise a similar trait in the Russian army has always been - to be greedy for their own, officials are officials.
  2. vylvyn
    vylvyn 12 September 2012 09: 45
    +2
    Article clearly +. Every word in the subject. I was very pleased that the military still sees AK as part of the new equipment. Gadgets are absolutely everything to the place. The only thing (or maybe it just wasn’t indicated anywhere) is a miniature system (like the English one, which is attached to the soldier’s hand) for recognizing the location of a sniper or other firing point by the sound of a shot. At least one such device per compartment.
    Well, we are optimistic about the future development of our equipment models, when nanoelements will be built into the material itself and technologies for recharging them from the heat generated by the human body will develop. Plus, the addition of exoskeletons to the combat equipment.
    And so everything is perfectly thought out. Well done.
  3. Redpartyzan
    Redpartyzan 12 September 2012 10: 11
    +3
    I hope my 14 year old son will be serving already with new equipment. It’s really good, let’s take our conscript and the NATO soldier so the duck between them seems not the ocean, but a hundred years have passed.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 12 September 2012 10: 17
      +5
      I don’t think that after 4 years conscripts are equipped with these kits (a little expensive). But the parts of constant readiness should be changed as soon as possible.
    2. Poppy
      Poppy 12 September 2012 16: 40
      +1
      don’t even hope it’ll go beyond prototypes
      don’t cut a lot on it, but buy some garbage abroad - yes
  4. Slavs69
    Slavs69 12 September 2012 10: 15
    +6
    And so, let's go in order .... ".In appearance, the new Russian military ammunition looks even more aesthetically pleasing than the one that the US Army soldiers are wearing on posters."- let's just say, this is not the most important indicator, but I'm glad for the Russian military personnel, that's just what the aesthetics of" Warrior "is, to be honest, I didn't see it (especially because of the sad appearance of the fighter on the first photo-kasul he screwed up ... or didn't bother this at all). Further ... "Equipment "Warrior" is today considered the easiest. Its total weight in the standard version, including body armor 5-th class of protection and overalls, will be about 10 kilograms. The maximum version of the equipment, which will include in the guards for the hips and shoulders, helmet, assault armor 6-th class of protection will weigh about 20 kilograms. In total, the set of equipment "Warrior" will include up to 20 of various elements. "- the standard version is 10 kg + weapons, ammunition, other property = about 30 kg, let's say not weak ..... The maximum option is additional armor and various elements of equipment (communications, reconnaissance, survival, etc.) where will it be stored, how will it be transported, and what about the winter version?The armament system at the current stage of development of the complex includes the newest version of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, equipped with a rifle grenade launcher, night vision sight, and a thermal aiming system, which has no analogues in the world, according to the designers. In addition, the soldier will receive a video module that will allow him to fire from around the corner or shelter, without protruding."And this is about an ordinary soldier of a motorized rifle brigade? Something from the field of very distant Russian science fiction. I will return to the quantitative composition of equipment. I myself often steamed with the list of necessary elements when preparing for a combat exit, namely, to combine incompatible you know what kind of task you will be given (either search activities in the forest, or without swinging to the address in the village.) In my opinion, this kit will be delivered to units in parts and the result will be as always: one soldier has a suit, another has an armor with a helmet, and a third one with a night light for the whole squad ... Sun, there is hope and it has not died .... By the way, what is the appraiser?
    1. Esso
      Esso 12 September 2012 10: 55
      +3
      I agree with you, but I would like to note that the body armor must withstand the hit from the SVD rifle, the hands and feet of the fighter should be protected in the basic version, not in the assault but in the basic one. I’m talking about the shoulder and femoral arteries myself, one killing them and a fighter in a warrior will fall and bear additional 10-15 kg on a stretcher, a fighter will bleed. A soldier in such equipment should maintain combat effectiveness. The guards in the pictures cover almost nothing. Although the designers stated that they learned anatomy. I also hope to share suits for pulmetzik one option, for a sniper another, etc. I really hope that the kit will reach the troops and it will be exploited!
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 12 September 2012 13: 44
        +1
        body vest must withstand hit from rifle svd

        Do you have any idea what will happen to the chest after getting into the bronchial tube from the SVD?
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 12 September 2012 15: 09
          +3
          IMHO - stood - would have a choice - broken ribs or a through hole - I choose the first !!!!
        2. Passing
          Passing 12 September 2012 16: 35
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          what will happen to the chest after getting into the bronchial tube from the SVD

          Nothing so terrible will happen, the maximum will be:
          http://frontkit.spb.ru/newssgl.php?menu1=3&menu2=38&item=19
          The second degree (medium) is classified by GOST as: "Contused wounds. Focal intramuscular hemorrhages, single hemorrhages in the intestinal mesentery".
          At the same time, operability is lost up to 3 ... 5 minutes, combat efficiency is limited to 10 days, full restoration of combat efficiency requires up to 15 ... 20 days.

          But this is from point-blank shooting, which is completely uncharacteristic for the SVD.
        3. Esso
          Esso 12 September 2012 17: 00
          0
          I can well imagine those more or less new broniks that can withstand it. Better serious damage, but alive, than in light bronics, but with a hole and dead!
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 13 September 2012 00: 53
            +1
            Better serious damage, but alive than in a light armor, but with a hole and dead!

            This is if you do not bend from the shock of pain or you do not choke on blood, in the golden fifteen minutes ...
            Nothing so terrible will happen, the maximum will be
            But this is from point-blank shooting, which is completely uncharacteristic for the SVD.

            from a bullet 7.62x54 7N14 (up to 500 meters) or the same ZB-46 (which are still gathering dust in warehouses) fool
    2. Joker
      Joker 12 September 2012 13: 45
      +8
      Breshet as usual, you look at the photo the dimensions of the devices, these are bricks, in the literal sense of the word and at the same time they weigh less than American ones, but this is nonsense. Again, it has no analogues. American equipment is more than just a bunch of electronics, it’s a kind of system, a soldier interacts not with radio colleagues with colleagues like ours, but with equipment, UAVs, artillery, each soldier marks targets with instruments and everyone sees them at home, UAVs indicate areas in which the temperature is higher than in others with the help of a thermal imager, all this is displayed by a soldier, soldiers are equipped with devices that determine the direction of enemy fire, each unit will have its own mini-UAV suicide bombers, type about at the end of the post. The weight of all this electronics is 3.2 kg. and now compare with ours, one binocular in the photo weighs 2-3 kg. If we take the average weight of bricks according to 1.5-2 kg. it already turns out that all the electronics weigh 8 kg. and this without a helmet, body armor and other things, has no analogues speak?
      as well as a thermal imaging aiming system, analogues of which, according to designers, are simply absent in the world.

      If there are no analogues then why do our specialists buy collimators and thermal imagers exclusively abroad? Again nonsense.

      I am very glad that the equipment has finally begun to be tested, finally the soldiers will get at least good helmets and body armor, and the fireproof and anti-fragmentation jumpsuit will not be superfluous, I hope that at last they will begin to issue unloading vests to everyone, otherwise I had to buy for hard-wearing ones I don’t like this lie and the pathos with which they are trying to push this equipment into the army, be more modest, otherwise even at the test stage a negative impression is formed about the manufacturer.
      1. Joker
        Joker 12 September 2012 15: 09
        +1
        As for the thermal imager, I take my words back.

        The Russian company Farvizhn is already selling its new development - the PT-9 thermal imaging sight, which has excellent characteristics with very little weight and dimensions. The sight is available in two versions with lenses in 80 and 50 mm.

        The weight of the PT-9 is only 900 grams, and the dimensions are slightly more than a conventional sight. At the same time, the PT-9 can identify a target that is warmer or colder than the environment by only 0,08 degrees. Unprecedented accuracy

        And the most interesting application for the new sight was already found during its operation. It turned out that with this device you can consider the thermal trace of bullets, that is, in fact, with the PT-9 all bullets are "tracer". This means that now the shooter will be able to conduct targeted fire with conventional bullets without a tracer and, if necessary, adjust the shooting.

        It is not difficult to predict the PT-9 a great future. Moreover, it became in some way a revolutionary device, which in the future eliminates the need to use tracer bullets.
      2. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 13 September 2012 01: 26
        0
        The splinterproof suit from the "Cuirass" set was being tested in 2000 2001. The first time I saw him was at the special forces in Khanakal. There were few enthusiastic responses. Although I did hold the fragments (they did not check from the RGN on the sotalny)))))
  5. borisst64
    borisst64 12 September 2012 10: 25
    +5
    The idea is not bad. But I’m afraid our managers will buy the cheapest fabric, the most figurative Velcro, shoes, buttons, etc. And the next thing happened - they wanted the best, but got it as always. I hope that I am wrong.
    1. Witch
      Witch 12 September 2012 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: borisst64
      But I'm afraid our managers will buy the cheapest fabric, the most figurative Velcro, boots, buttons, etc.


      Unfortunately, it will be so.
      For the purchase of these elements should be carried out at an electronic auction, and there is one indicator - who will offer less.
      And to write a competent specification and conduct an auction with our pre-selection as usual broke. (((((
  6. Director
    Director 12 September 2012 10: 52
    0
    The main thing that would go to the troops, hundreds of thousands.
  7. FIMUK
    FIMUK 12 September 2012 11: 08
    -2
    I don’t know, I don’t know, niches cannot make nominal protection for soldiers because of the low value of a soldier’s life in the army, as a fact.

    Therefore, they can create anything, but this is all profanity.
    If you really care about the soldier, then the armor must be purchased from the Jews (with all my negative attitude to them).
    Since they value their soldiers and collect them in pieces if that ... you can only learn. The quality of their protective equipment is also at the level and verified by a long war.
    PS
    Yes, and after drinking a state order, they imported an imported bronik and unloading will be more expensive than that produced by us.
    1. alexg
      alexg 12 September 2012 14: 21
      +2
      For a soldier to have at least some value for the state, his normal maintenance is needed. In a word, a soldier must be invested in him, so that it would be a pity to lose.
      hence the normal equipment and everything else
    2. Passing
      Passing 12 September 2012 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: FIMUK
      Don't know, don't know niches can't do nominal defense for soldiers

      Why is the 6B43 army armor not normal for you?
      1. Lieutenant colonel
        Lieutenant colonel 13 September 2012 01: 30
        +1
        From your call, I would also add - normally fitted on a NORMAL fighter, using his head not for slope and serving, but understanding that his ammunition depends on the state in which his ammunition and life depend.
      2. FIMUK
        FIMUK 13 September 2012 14: 15
        0
        I don’t like that I didn’t find anywhere in the description that the new multi-touch armor ie plates which and how many hits can withstand ie does the plate lose its properties of armor and by how much after the first bullet hit?
  8. Evrepid
    Evrepid 12 September 2012 11: 10
    -2
    I wonder how a soldier cannot go missing?
    Is it interesting for a person to sew a sensor into the body?
    I think that the main thing to do is:
    1. Facilitate all devices!
    2. to bring devices into one and compact
    3. make a helmet fully protecting the face
    4. introduce deadly medallions
    5. Build a database of all military personnel (active and in reserve)
    6. Make the system accessible to doctors and anyone, naturally with restrictions on the levels of access to information.
    7. Make an automatic health monitoring system, with automatic notification of an injury or illness (injury)
    1. Evrepid
      Evrepid 12 September 2012 13: 20
      -1
      I understand that the one who puts the minus is just PIDAR? :)
      Forgive the administrator for this! :) Well, if it’s true that to be offended then? :)
      1. Evrepid
        Evrepid 12 September 2012 13: 49
        0
        That's right! Pidar! :) You're mud ... :)
        1. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky 12 September 2012 13: 56
          +1
          Do not pay attention, do not clog the branch.
    2. Darck
      Darck 12 September 2012 14: 44
      +4
      3. make a helmet fully protecting the face
      1. Novosibirsky
        Novosibirsky 12 September 2012 15: 29
        -1
        IMHO, only for specific tasks, specific units. I’m sure (although I didn’t wear it :)) it is inconvenient (with a visor) for constant wear, the review limits, audibility, it is unclear how the glass affects the aiming, does it fog up, because it was not an ordinary visor, but a mask. Without a visor - I admit that a good helmet. Even if everything is ok, still it’s not suitable for us for mass adoption, you won’t put a hat under it, laugh laugh, but in ours - 35 is no laughing matter.
        1. Darck
          Darck 12 September 2012 16: 37
          +1
          IMHO, only for specific tasks, specific units.
          Like for the ILC and the National Guard.
          it is inconvenient (with a visor) for constant wear,
          The visor is located at a distance from the person and it is mobile, so there should be no problems with the sock, if it rested on a tight one, then I think yes, problems would have arisen.
          review limits
          So there is glass to the temples, then you still will not see, you have to turn your head.
          audibility
          The helmet has visors that are located at a distance from the ear, and not in a tight one, so it will not significantly affect audibility, but it will protect it from the blow of a comrade in the ear =) Although, if you wear an armor with a collar, then yes. By the way, on those helmets As shown in the article, the ears are also closed.
          it is unclear how glass affects aiming
          I don’t know if in the future they will put something like AIM Finder (ISO) then there should be no problems.
          you can’t put a hat under it, laughter laugh, but in ours - 35 is no laughing matter.
          Now helmets seem to be made with thermal insulation, I think it will be possible to put on a thin hat, and it’s hardly possible with earflaps)
      2. Darck
        Darck 12 September 2012 16: 24
        0
        For pilots.
      3. Joker
        Joker 12 September 2012 16: 38
        0
        We have long had better.
        1. Darck
          Darck 12 September 2012 16: 42
          +5
          Joker, Here just the review is limited and this is for special forces.
        2. Esso
          Esso 12 September 2012 16: 58
          +1
          Yes, indeed, it needs to be made more ergonomic, that is, it is more convenient to review it, but such helmets are issued only for special forces, they are made of titanium, they are very expensive Lynx is called the newest. And to make the glass thermal, so as not to fog up and, accordingly, to protect it, it could be taken away like a welder. I watched a program about a warrior, the most difficult thing in it was a tactical helmet. It’s better to integrate a gas mask into it.
          1. Joker
            Joker 12 September 2012 17: 10
            +2
            Lynx A and T, for the price, believe it doesn’t differ from the one presented by Dark, the integrated microphone and headphones in the helmet, you just need to connect the radio, in that helmet you’ll get tired, let's stand on combat duty, but I’ve taken off this visor and it’s better to protect my head much, all these helmets appeared due to the fact that the battles are now mainly in urban conditions. It’s more convenient for us, I picked it up when I need it and breathe fresh air, went out into the city, put on my visor and put on a helmet of a different type, it’s identical to a lynx, I took it a little less, it has a large glass and good visibility. The helmet itself was worn so very comfortable, the main thing with the size is just to make a mistake, the only cant is that there is no attachment under the NVD, etc., since in order to attach it you need to remove the visor completely, then the meaning of this helmet is lost immediately.
        3. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky 12 September 2012 17: 09
          0
          I would have your confidence ...
        4. Darck
          Darck 12 September 2012 17: 24
          +3
          Futurama Bender helmet)
          1. Joker
            Joker 12 September 2012 18: 16
            +3
            This helmet is good and practical and most importantly inexpensive.
            1. Joker
              Joker 12 September 2012 18: 17
              0
              Here from a different angle
              1. Darck
                Darck 12 September 2012 18: 36
                +2
                Voila photo from Afghanistan.
                1. Joker
                  Joker 12 September 2012 18: 55
                  0
                  To be honest, it all looks crap and bulky, my option seems better to me (I mean the American helmet and not the Lynx)
                  1. Darck
                    Darck 12 September 2012 19: 32
                    +1
                    To be honest, it’s all sucks and bulky
                    Well, yes, the Americans in Afghanistan just to show off) the main thing is that it protects the mug, your option by the way reminded me of the old Sparta helmets, it looks cool, only a splinter can get into the chin.
                    1. Darck
                      Darck 12 September 2012 20: 05
                      +1
                      The bronic itself.
                2. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 12 September 2012 22: 43
                  0
                  Voila - photo from Afghanistan. wink
            2. karbofos
              karbofos 13 September 2012 02: 25
              0
              what looks like a Roman helmet laughing
        5. PSih2097
          PSih2097 12 September 2012 19: 15
          +1
          MTek (Mahan Technical Design) has developed a helmet that is currently being tested in Iraq. More precisely, this device is called "face armor" or FAS (Facial Armor System), which is manufactured under the brand name Predator (Predator). According to its creators, the "Predator" is able to withstand a direct hit from a Magnum 0.44 pistol
          1. Darck
            Darck 12 September 2012 20: 04
            0
            Still such, though I don’t know what will happen to this computer when a bullet hits it, on the other hand, additional protection)
            1. Darck
              Darck 12 September 2012 21: 20
              +1
              Cool stuff.
              1. Joker
                Joker 12 September 2012 21: 36
                +1
                Ahaha, you hit the mark, the helmet is called Sparta laughing production crye precision, from this company our specialists buy a mold in a multicam.
                1. Darck
                  Darck 12 September 2012 21: 57
                  +1
                  crye precision
                  Thank you for the name of the company, I did not know about it.
                  from this company our specialists buy a uniform
                  Are you serving somewhere?
                  1. Joker
                    Joker 12 September 2012 23: 30
                    +2
                    No, I don’t serve, just for me this topic is very interesting, so I know a lot of things, and there are friends who serve. In general, the creator of the colors for the cartoons, just in which your helmet is painted and crye precision, is currently the most advanced form, the fabrics on the market, they also created the shape in AOR colors, in particular, the US Seals are their exclusive customer, they already use AOR2 (photo attached, clickable) But the prices are all appropriate. The form they order is our Pennant and Alpha officially.
                    1. Joker
                      Joker 12 September 2012 23: 31
                      +1
                      Here are cartoons and AOR 2, in fact AOR 2 is a modified Marpat
              2. Darck
                Darck 14 September 2012 09: 56
                0
                The same G3C against AK.
          2. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 12 September 2012 22: 50
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            Quote: PSih2097
            "Predator" is able to withstand a direct hit from a Magnum 0.44 pistol

            and what will happen to the neck?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 13 September 2012 01: 54
              +1
              and what will happen to the neck?

              nothing will happen, soft armor will absorb all the kinematics ...
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 13 September 2012 03: 05
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                stupidity!
                put on such a helmet, I’ll take a bat and charge it in the forehead, do you think soft armor will swallow kinematics? I skipped physics wassat
      4. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 September 2012 22: 04
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        Quote: Darck
        helmet to fully protect the face

        pulls a hand from the back of the desk))) as correctly noticed, such a helmet is needed only by narrow specialists and then for certain tasks:
        “Did you wear a helmet?” unfortunately I can’t cite as an example a book where the standards for wearing various helmet models are printed, but take a word - they are;
        - what belay the fighter will hear in this, now even headsets for walkie-talkies are made with this in mind;
        - the meaning of closing the face? from the fragments - I agree, but the bullet - breaks the neck;
        - in order not to fog up the face shield, the fighter will have to wear special equipment, although this is 50-100 gram, but plus batteries for the night light, thermal imager, collimator and this will already affect the wearable ammunition.
        In principle, now there is a tendency to reduce weight, and you offer a bucket - it is certainly a beautiful bucket, but we ask ourselves - how functional?
        FAST Ballistic Helmet (Future Assault Shell Technology)

        created by company

        http://www.ops-core.com/
        Initially for USAF
        and then was approved for a limited contingent of the US Army
        (such as USSOCOM) and law enforcement.
      5. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 12 September 2012 22: 16
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        Quote: Darck
        . helmet to fully protect the face

        stupid thing! protects from fragments, maybe a pistol bullet and stops, but what about a fracture of the neck?
        here is the selection of masters:
        FAST Ballistic Helmet (Future Assault Shell Technology)
        created by company
        http://www.ops-core.com/
        Initially for USAF
        and then was approved for a limited contingent of the US Army
        (such as USSOCOM) and law enforcement.
        1. Darck
          Darck 12 September 2012 22: 46
          +1
          protects from splinters
          Already cool.
          maybe a pistol bullet and stop
          Magnum will definitely stop.
          but what about a broken neck?
          You would have written what cartridge you mean. With the same success, a bullet can break your neck when you hit the helmet, if the belt on the helmet is loose so that the helmet hangs, it can partially extinguish energy, but still the neck can also break. Now why don’t you wear helmets? How is it better for me to be sure that your face is at least somehow protected. And walking with a fragmented face is not very convenient.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 13 September 2012 02: 54
            +1
            If you don’t understand, then ask, but don’t talk nonsense - no offense.
            put a bandana on your face and run for three kilometers, or walk in the woods in a wolfish way from your heels - and then in a laugh (joke) then you will be taken off any desire to wear a helmet completely closed;
            pay attention to Joker’s comrade comment for 18: 16-17 he just demonstrates the FAST Ballistic Helmet helmet with integrated splinter protection, and what you showed is the maximum for cleaning rooms - you can’t carry such a long time;
            I recommend reading the magazine "Technics and Armaments" this year for the month of August, they just sort out the problems with the design of helmets, and modern serial domestic helmets are not badly understood, if necessary I can throw off drinks .
            1. Darck
              Darck 13 September 2012 13: 11
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              put a bandana on your face and run three kilometers
              Yes, and then try to swim, then try to smoke a hookah .... Unlike a bandana, this protection is at a decent distance from your face, so you are unlikely to get rid of a breather and do not fall off from oxygen starvation, plus the glass is removed. And for they use certificates in patrols. In Afghanistan, they also use ATVs in the mountains. Someone who doesn’t do kilometer runs in full ammunition come to MRAPE and then comb their square and notice they don’t gallop. Therefore, I don’t know what the comment about runs for three kilometers.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 13 September 2012 20: 38
                +1
                As already mentioned, such helmets, as you have presented, are suitable only for a narrow range of tasks; I agree on a quad - the most good , in Hammer, to stand behind a machine gun — it will also go, to clean the buildings — it will go, to sit behind machine guns in the open doorway of the helicopter — that’s the most ---- and that’s all, it’s no longer needed.
                We have our own developments.
                Quote: Darck
                . Therefore, I do not know what was the comment about the runs for three kilometers.

                to the fact that after three hours when wearing it, the fighter's efficiency starts to fall.
                1. Darck
                  Darck 14 September 2012 09: 55
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                  and that's all, he is no longer needed.
                  And they don’t need more. Patrolling the streets with infantry and fighting in the streets is an everyday routine of soldiers.
                  to the fact that after three hours when wearing it, the fighter's efficiency starts to fall.
                  You already write what the drop in efficiency is connected with, in any case you can unfasten it on your side, don’t want to don’t wear it, no one is forcing it yet.
                  We have our own developments

                  I have so far seen only for special units.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 12 September 2012 22: 47
          +2
          helmet - open, ear closes the headset - ComTac II Military / Tactical Ops Headset from Peltor.
          ComTac II Military / Tactical Ops Headset
          COMTAC II Universal Active Headphones are designed specifically for special forces, rescuers, and the armed forces. Only the COMTAC II headphones have electronics capable of providing the best sound quality while talking and listening.
          Headphones are capable of quickly suppressing hearing-hazardous noises. An advanced model of protective headphones with the function of active protection and amplification of weak sounds in stereo mode is lighter, more compact than the previous model (MT15H68FB). Perfectly suits both left-handed and right-handed people, and also does not cause any discomfort when wearing with a helmet.
          Headphones COMTAC II meet the highest standards in operation (comply with CE standard) and have increased reliability of the electronic unit. (copy from the ad, but the ears are really good)
          1. Joker
            Joker 12 September 2012 23: 20
            +1
            Ears are a miracle, such bought about a year ago, about beauty, but a little expensive, to be honest.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 September 2012 03: 08
              +1
              You're absolutely right - atas ears good and dear crying ,
              I chose this option:
              Bowman PRC-343 or AN / PRC-343 in the US version. The Bowman PRC-343 complex - is used for communication within the department by the British and American military.
              these are not so tricked out, but did not have to wait and even cheaper.
  9. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 12 September 2012 11: 19
    +3
    The shield and sword competition continues ...
    Now we need to think about how to saturate the troops with them, and the fact that the kit will pass the tests is for sure.
  10. gansik
    gansik 12 September 2012 11: 22
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    two-three fall into the mud, three hundred meters in a plastunsky and a suit in a landfill
  11. kuzmich
    kuzmich 12 September 2012 11: 56
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    it remains now to quickly put on the warrior of our invincible.
  12. Footmansur86
    Footmansur86 12 September 2012 12: 00
    +1
    Damn, and the developers were in this miracle outfit to run, jump, roam the woods, lie in a puddle, mud? In the bowl you will go for every second branch you will cling. Since I tried it in my own skin I can say one thing, the equipment should be convenient, not whimsical, EASY !!!!!, and preferably less electronics, everything needs to be recharged, and in the field with this problem, okay, you can still charge one or two radio stations or take additional batteries, but this is more portable weight means less payload in the form of ammunition and specials. funds. IMHO, the kit should consist of a Field uniform, unloading, a helmet (although it’s not always painful, it’s not convenient to run in it and the visibility is reduced), one satellite navigator per compartment, well, surveillance and communication equipment, one at a time in the compartment, to distribute at least somehow the load among the personnel, why does every fighter need a radio station? and navigator? rave!!!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 12 September 2012 13: 37
      +1
      Why does every fighter need a radio station? and navigator? rave!!!

      radio stations, in theory, are small-sized, with a limited radius of action, by analogy with the same airsoft players ... There are few navigators in the departments, at least two, preferably three, are needed.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 12 September 2012 14: 06
        +1
        Here are some examples of U.S. Army personal radio stations.
        The Falcon III® AN / PRC-152A

        Falcon III® RF-7800M-HH
        1. Lieutenant colonel
          Lieutenant colonel 13 September 2012 01: 43
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          Do you want to remember the USSR? There was a small receiver for each soldier with a small antenna on the helmet. Radius reception up to 500 meters. Batteries of an industrial design (finger). The question is where did everyone do it? I don’t know the answer. But it was.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 13 September 2012 01: 59
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            Do you want to remember the USSR?

            In the USSR, I was a pioneer, therefore, without a clue, my grandfather was an air defense specialist too little in this topic, here (in this thread) there is a conversation that the individual connection of a fighter is less important than a BC, a stretcher, reconnaissance equipment, etc.
    2. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 12 September 2012 13: 45
      +5
      I join the opinion. It is immediately obvious that a person knows what he is talking about.
      I also understand packaging assault groups for a specific task, when possible, software. But that intelligence, or all polls in the mountain fields, we will not pull. And the fighter himself does not want to drag all this equipment.

      And yes, I agree with Dark's opinion below. Bulletproof vests need to be lightened! Steal technology, buy, even change to oil)) But make it easier. This is very important because nobody wants to drag them. But the protection is real. If the helmet is still there, it still does not hold a bullet, then the case occupies a large area, is vulnerable to destruction.
      In my service, the plates were stupidly pulled out of them, but worn, so that the commanders would not strain))
      1. yanus
        yanus 12 September 2012 20: 03
        +1
        Quote: NovoSibirets
        And yes, I agree with Dark's opinion below. Bulletproof vests need to be lightened! Steal technology, buy, even change to oil)) But make it easier. This is very important because nobody wants to drag them. But the protection is real. If the helmet is still there, it still does not hold a bullet, then the case occupies a large area, is vulnerable to destruction.

        Introduce a simple rule - when "lifting" the armor gets dressed. It is removed only in case of "lights out". In the second month, no one will pay attention to them. At the same time, the figure will recover.
        Quote: NovoSibirets
        In my service, the plates were stupidly pulled out of them, but worn, so that the commanders would not strain))

        No, well, human stupidity can not be overpowered by any light bulletproof vests. They will make it easy - they will say uncomfortable, they will make it comfortable - they will say ugly, they will make it beautiful - they will say it badly ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 23
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          It does not help.
  13. Darck
    Darck 12 September 2012 12: 26
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    Outfit “Warrior” is today considered the easiest. Its total weight in the standard version, including the 5th protection class bulletproof vest and overalls, will be about 10 kilograms. The maximum version of the equipment, which will include shields for hips and shoulders, a helmet, an assault body armor of the 6th protection class will weigh about 20 kilograms.
    Nefiga yourself, the whole world is on the path to relieving bronchiks, but here they are on the path of appeasement, you can't run with such a bronik.
    The new Russian combat equipment of the “soldier of the future” should combine work in many areas
    Why the future? Such equipment in many countries of the world is already real. So words that are not inferior to foreign analogues can be excluded, because at that time, these countries will already have different equipment.
    At the same time, the fact that in the optimization of uniforms and the protection of a modern warrior was the Soviet / Russian scientific thought traditionally ahead of the world level is paradoxical and offensive. At present, it has been forgotten, but it was in the USSR that they were the first to start dressing motorized infantry in body armor. Heavy and not very comfortable body armor managed to save thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan.
    What a blatant lie, the first US soldier dressed in bronics in Vietnam.
    The Warrior outfit is a completely Russian invention.
    They say that they took decisions from NATO equipment, now they are completely Russian. wassat
    fighters on a stretcher an additional 10-15 kg, the fighter will bleed
    In general, the armor plates have an emergency relief system just for such cases.
    Is it interesting for a person to sew a sensor into the body?

    No, US soldiers simply attach a GPS receiver (equipment element) and a marker that glows in the dark (in the spectrum not accessible to the human eye) so that they don’t kill their own.
    1. Passing
      Passing 12 September 2012 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Darck
      Nefiga yourself, the whole world is on the path to relieving bronchiks, but here they are on the path of appeasement, you can't run with such a bronik.

      The American IOTV at maximum weighs 14-16 kg, our 6B43 weighs 15 kg, but there is also an anti-fragmentation jumpsuit to our armor, therefore 20 kg. And in general, no one forces to wear the entire kit.
      Quote: Darck
      What a blatant lie, the first US soldier dressed in bronics in Vietnam.

      Nylon shatterproof. Naturally they did not hold a bullet, so whether it was possible to call them bulletproof vests is another question. And if we dig really deeply, then we used steel cuirasses in the Great Patriotic War, so in any case we are the first.
      1. Darck
        Darck 12 September 2012 18: 33
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        steel cuirasses, so anyway we are the first.
        So if you think about it, the steel cuirass is not a bulletproof vest, but the Germans used the cuirass and by the way KIRASY (in the same war) and by the way they were also used during the ROMAN EMPIRE and by the way, now the question is who was the first?)
        American IOTV at maximum weighs 14-16 kg,
        IOTV is replaced by a lighter one and weighs 13.5 kg IOTV (along with shoulder straps, collar and apron), large size 15 kg
        Nylon shatterproof. Naturally they didn’t hold a bullet,
        Ballistic nylon, M52 held a shot of a 9mm bullet fired at point blank range, then it was reinforced and fired by M55, later there was M69 which was also used in Vietnam.
        1. Passing
          Passing 12 September 2012 20: 18
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          Why only Germans, they were from all countries, including Russia: breastplate of the Sormovsky plant design, tests, Nizhny Novgorod, 1915

          But, they did not hold a bullet of infantry weapons, i.e. a rifle (submachine guns just appeared and were not used at all in that war), so this is not it. But in the second world such a shell was only with us, and he kept the lead bullet MP-38.
          Quote: Darck
          Ballistic nylon, M52 held a 9mm bullet fired at point blank range

          Hold 9 mm at point blank ??? belay This is advertising nonsense, he held 1 gram shard at a speed of 380m / s. Look at the data for modern soft armor plates, for holding a 9 mm bullet, the fragment resistance is something around 600 m / s.
          1. Darck
            Darck 12 September 2012 21: 04
            -1
            Why only Germans,
            Where did you see the word only Germans?
            But, they did not hold a bullet of infantry weapons,
            What did not hold this bullet?
            and held the lead bullet MP-38.
            If you are about Makarov, then he wasn’t in the Second World War. And we are talking about bulletproof vests, where does the bib come in? Here are Japs in the First World War.
            Hold 9 mm at point blank ??? This is advertising nonsense, he held 1 gram shard at a speed of 380m / s.
            The same 6B43 holds 1g splinter / 560ms, this does not prevent him from holding a shot from the SVD. (According to the developers)
            1. Passing
              Passing 12 September 2012 23: 24
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              Quote: Darck
              What did not hold this bullet?

              The cuirasses did not hold a bullet of the main infantry weapon of the time - a rifle bullet.
              Quote: Darck
              If you are about Makarov, then he was not in the Second World War.

              I’m talking about a typical weapon of a particular war and, accordingly, about protecting it from it. In the first world - rifles, and no one had protection against them, in the second - rifles and software, protection was against software, and only here. Not the Germans, not the Japanese, not the Americans, but only the USSR. Our cuirass kept the bullet (lead) of the MP-38 submachine gun from ten meters, after the Germans introduced the steel-core bullet from a greater distance, it seemed to be from 100 meters.
              Quote: Darck
              And we are talking about bulletproof vests, where does the bib?

              If we are talking about body armor in the modern sense, i.e. fabric vest holding a bullet, then where does the American anti-shatter nylon vest?
              Quote: Darck
              The same 6B43 holds 1g splinter / 560ms, this does not prevent him from holding a shot from the SVD. (According to the developers)

              The ceramic inserts hold the SVD bullet, and this one-gram fragment that they don’t even notice the elephant’s grains, and 560 m / s is about basic protection, i.e. about aramid fiber vest that holds only 9 mm pistol bullet.
              1. Darck
                Darck 13 September 2012 01: 14
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                The cuirasses did not hold a bullet of the main infantry weapon of the time - a rifle bullet.
                Do you have bib data from all countries? Japan, Germany, Poland, etc.?
                I’m talking about a typical weapon of a particular war and, accordingly, about protecting it.
                Roman imeria, arrows, protection from a cuirass arrow. You do not want to, but it appeared earlier than the Second World War, it’s stupid to deny it. Here is another photo of French old cuirasses that they fired from a machine gun, rifle and pistol.
                If we are talking about body armor in the modern sense, i.e. fabric vest holding a bullet, then where does the American anti-shatter nylon vest?
                Because unlike the Chestpiece, it was a bulletproof vest, an armored vest. That held shrapnel and bullets. And it was the first generation bulletproof vest that the Americans created and why only nylon? It could be reinforced with special inserts. Here's even a quote from the Russian wiki
                The first cases of the use of body armor in their modern sense relate to the war in Korea (1951-1953).
                Soviet armor was also positioned as fragmentation, although some were holding some bullets, as well as the M52.M69 that was used in Vietnam already held fragments of 500m / s.
                The ceramic inserts hold the SVD bullet, and this one-gram fragment that they don’t even notice the elephant’s grains, and 560 m / s is about basic protection, i.e. about aramid fiber vest that holds only 9 mm pistol bullet.

                So aluminum plates were inserted on the American bronick.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 35
                  0
                  Not just aluminum. Okinawa fiberglass plastic
                2. Passing
                  Passing 13 September 2012 03: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Darck
                  Soviet armor plates, too, were positioned as fragmentation, although they kept some bullets, just like the M52

                  How anti-fragmentation was positioned 6B1 adopted for service in 1957
                  The first domestic bulletproof vest was made at the All-Union Institute of Aviation Materials (VIAM). It began to be developed in 1954, and in 1957 it received the 6B1 index and was accepted for the supply of the USSR Armed Forces. It was made about one and a half thousand copies planted in warehouses. The mass production of body armor was decided to be deployed only in the event of a threatened period.
                  The protective composition of the BZ was a mosaic of hexagonal aluminum alloy plates, behind which were several layers of nylon fabric and a batting lining. The vest protected from bullets 7,62x25 cartridge fired from a submachine gun (PPSh or PPS) from a distance of 50 meters and fragments.
                  In the initial period of the war in Afghanistan, some of these BZ fell into units of the 40th Army.

                  But, the protection of this body armor did not match the weapons used, as well as the protection of the American!
                  Therefore, the real, full-fledged, first body armor, was the one that held the machine gun. And the first was precisely the USSR.
                  The war in Afghanistan required equipping the army with more reliable means of individual armor protection, providing protection against small arms bullets at real ranges of combined arms combat. Two types of such bulletproof vests were developed and adopted for supply: 6B3TM and 6B4. The first used titanium armor plates ADU-605T-83 with a thickness of 6,5 mm, the second used ceramic ADUs of 14.20.00.000 made of boron carbide. Both bulletproof vests provided circular bulletproof protection against bullets PS cartridge 7,62x39 from a distance of 10 meters. However, the experience of military operation showed that the weight of such protection is excessive. So, 6B3TM weighed 12,2 kg, and 6B4 - 12 kg. As a result, it was decided to make the protection differentiated: the chest section is bulletproof and the back section is anti-fragmentation (with titanium armor panels similar to those used in the 6B2 vest. This allowed us to reduce the weight of the vests to 8,2 and 7,6 kg, respectively. In 1985, such bulletproof vests were adopted for supply under the indices 6B3-01 (Zh-85T)

                  The American PASGT-V, adopted in 1980, did not hold a machine gun!
                  The weight of the vest, depending on the size, is 3,2-4,9 kg. The protection area (average size) is about 58 square meters. dm. The PASGT armored vest and helmet are equivalent in terms of anti-shatter resistance; when tested with a standard 1,1 g fragmentation shrapnel simulator, their resistance, according to V-50, is in the range of 620-650 m / s. According to statistics from the U.S. Army, wearing PASGT body armor in war zones reduces manpower losses by 18-53%
                  In 1996, an additional ISAPO protective vest was adopted for supply to strengthen the PASGT main body armor and provide protection against high-speed bullets of automatic rifles. It is not used independently, it is put on over PASGT bulletproof vest. Represents a case with pockets for accommodating two protective inserts from combined armor with ceramics. The weight of the vest is 7,48 kg. The total mass with the main vest exceeds 12 kg, which caused a lot of complaints in the combat units due to the excessive weight and cumbersomeness of the NIB unacceptable in combat conditions.
                  1. Darck
                    Darck 13 September 2012 12: 50
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                    How anti-fragmentation was positioned 6B1 adopted for service in 1957
                    I know this did not stop him from being a body armor.
                    CH-42 consisted of two plates with a thickness of three millimeters, the top and bottom - since in a single breastplate the soldier could not bend down or sit down. He defended well from fragments, from machine gun bursts (at a distance of over 100 meters), although he could not withstand a shot from a rifle or machine gun.
                    As you can see, far from your statements, it doesn’t depend on everything and at a distant distance, judging by the criteria of the weapon used. The flack jacket used in Vietnam held a bullet of 7,62x25 from a close distance. From the same further 100 meters, it could withstand 7,62x39 .
                    Therefore, the real, full-fledged, first body armor, was the one that held the machine gun. And the first was precisely the USSR.

                    In 67, a bronik (T65-2) with ceramic inserts was adopted in the United States that held a shot of 7,62 x 51. Why don’t you have a full bronik? And much earlier than 85) Why is it an automatic rifle? There are rifles for example M16.
                    M52 was later. M12 at the beginning was, with special bulletproof tabs.
                    You're right) but it doesn’t suit him that he needs to protect it from the machine) although the armor plates are divided by protection class.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 14
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                      So he was bulletproof. The inserts were made of alloys and fiberglass
                    2. Passing
                      Passing 13 September 2012 16: 01
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                      Quote: Darck
                      As you see far from your statements

                      Not at all, while the Germans had pure lead bullets, he kept them from 10 meters, but when the bullets with a steel core went then it became 100 meters.
                      Quote: Darck
                      The Flack jacket used in Vietnam held a bullet of 7,62x25 from close range. From the same further 100 meters, it could withstand 7,62x39.

                      IMHO, this is advertising nonsense. Give links and quotes from where you got this, let's see what these sources are.
                      Quote: Darck
                      In 67, a bronik (T65-2) was adopted in the USA with ceramic inserts that held a shot of 7,62 x 51. Why are you not a full bronik?

                      Interestingly, at first glance it is a full-fledged bronik, but at what distance did it keep automatic and rifle bullets? Need to focus? Give specific links. And besides, this is not an army bronik, but for pilots.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 13 September 2012 16: 07
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                        http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD688122&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDo
                        c.pdf

                        In detail. Do you mean the enemy?
                      2. Passing
                        Passing 13 September 2012 16: 47
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                        It's hard without a google-translator, but I see that from 100 yards I was holding a cartridge 7,62, as I understand it, the bullet of the Grand rifle. Firstly, this is not what I mean by "holding the bullet", only a point-blank shot counts. Second, what bullet was used? With a steel core, or, as American storytellers usually like soft lead?
                        In general, I am waiting for a link to a more detailed document. Specifically interested in whether holding 7,62X39 point blank. So far, there is great doubt that this is a full-fledged body armor.
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 13 September 2012 17: 31
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                        Bronik standards were developed in the 70's. Prior to this, it was indicated - 90 granular bullet 7,62x25 at close range.

                        7,62X39 did not hold. Like the Soviet 6B1, which was produced in the amount of 1500 pieces, and protected from bullets of the 7,62x25 cartridge fired from a submachine gun (PPSh or PPS) from a distance of 50 meters and fragments.
                    3. Darck
                      Darck 13 September 2012 18: 25
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                      Not at all, while the Germans had pure lead bullets, he kept them from 10 meters, but when the bullets with a steel core went then it became 100 meters.

                      What bullets are 9mm? And if you shoot at it from 98 Mausers? In the Second World War, not only machine guns were used, but also rifles. Besides, wherever you look, it is said that he defended against 9mm at great distances.
                      IMHO, this is advertising nonsense. Give links and quotes from where you got this, let's see what these sources are.
                      For whom to advertise? Over the hill they still did not sell, all that was received by the army.
                      Interestingly, at first glance it is a full-fledged bronik, but at what distance did it keep automatic and rifle bullets?

                      In 1966, the T65 "Aircrewman Body Armor" and its modifications T65-1 and T65-2 "Aircrew Torso Armor" became widespread. The latter was replaced by a body armor standardized by three types of armed forces, standardized in 1968 as "Body Armor, Small Arms Protective, Aircrewman". According to the requirements, the vest should provide protection against the 7,62 mm APM2 armor-piercing bullet of the 7,62 × 63 mm cartridge from a distance of 100 yards, but in real conditions of use it showed the best resistance

                      And besides, this is not an army bronik, but for pilots.
                      This does not prevent him from holding bullets of this caliber; it turns out that the USSR was not the first.
                      All these your aluminum and fiberglass inserts did not hold the machine gun bullet.
                      Used ceramic armor plates of boron carbide, silicon carbide and aluminum oxide, with a reinforced plastic substrate.
                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 13 September 2012 18: 50
                        0
                        By the way, a German - in a broken chestpiece CH-42

                      2. Darck
                        Darck 13 September 2012 19: 12
                        0
                        By the way, a German - in a broken chestpiece CH-42
                        Haha, this German, I like these gloves =) By the way, why didn’t they write a bib?
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 13 September 2012 19: 14
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                        Not. There were no such details. But you can see that the penetration is somewhat
                      4. Darck
                        Darck 13 September 2012 19: 14
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                        I like these gloves =)
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 13 September 2012 19: 15
                        +2
                        Test gloves. Damn, sit down to write material on the history of the bronics
                      6. Darck
                        Darck 13 September 2012 19: 21
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                        Test gloves. Damn, sit down to write material on the history of the bronics
                        Good idea, shed light on those who suffer, and I will read with pleasure. fellow
                      7. Passing
                        Passing 13 September 2012 23: 54
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                        Quote: Darck
                        This does not prevent him from holding bullets of this caliber, it turns out that the USSR was not the first

                        A full-fledged bronik has a clear criterion - it keeps a point-blank shot. Give data that T65 specifically held 7,62X39 (enemy cartridge), or something more powerful with a steel core. But only point blank!
                      8. Pimply
                        Pimply 14 September 2012 00: 05
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                        Respected. You are now confusing different classes of armor. A shot at point blank range from what? Barrett rifles? Guns? Rockets? For bullet-proof vest, the criterion is protection against certain types of firearms or cold steel. The caliber here is not so important, because the caliber is constantly growing, and this is the norm for the body armor protection class. What does it mean to you point blank?
                      9. Passing
                        Passing 15 September 2012 01: 23
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                        Point blank, then by standard - from 10m. I must hold not an abstract bullet there, but a bullet of a probable adversary of that time. Those. in the first world rifle. In the second - rifle / PP, in Vietnamese and further - AKM / M16.
                      10. Pimply
                        Pimply 15 September 2012 02: 18
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                        And whose particular standard? You are deriving some new standard. What kind of rifle cartridge - there were several, all different. In Vietnamese - so the Vietnamese used not only AK (or rather, at first they didn’t use it at all), but PPSh, SCS and in general, what came to hand - but many and often came across.
                        How many shots should be fired, what cartridge core?

                        You just thought up a bunch of garbage, sorry. Why exactly bullets? Do you know that no less than soldiers died from buckshot and fragments?
                      11. Darck
                        Darck 14 September 2012 09: 22
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                        A full-fledged bronik has a clear criterion - it keeps a point-blank shot.
                        Here’s what’s the matter with the bronchiks you brought, the distance of 10 meters as you see is far from the word at point blank range. So by your own criteria, this is not a full-fledged bronik.
                        Give data that T65 specifically held 7,62X39 (enemy cartridge), or something more powerful with a steel core. But only point blank!
                        If he held the armor-piercing APM2 7,62 × 63 from a distance of 91 meters (although they say showed the best resistance), then it is not difficult to guess that he can easily withstand the 7,62X39 from the same 10 meters, if not less.
                      12. Passing
                        Passing 15 September 2012 01: 39
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                        Quote: Darck
                        If he held the armor-piercing APM2 7,62 × 63 from a distance of 91 meters (although they say showed the best resistance), then it is not difficult to guess that he can easily withstand the 7,62X39 from the same 10 meters, if not less.

                        Curious logic, do you know that a bullet is slowed down by air? And at a hundred meters it loses 20-30 percent of its energy? In addition, even if both bullets are with a steel core (which I doubt the quote about it is somehow inconclusive), it is not at all a fact that the Grand whirling bullet is as effective as the AKM bullet.
                        In short, give a specific link that this bronik held a 7,62x39 bullet. What is the problem? I do not ask for a link that he was holding a bullet of Japanese Arisaki, I ask for a link that he was holding a bullet for AKM, from which he was intended to protect. Instead, you spread fog and general phrases here, as I understand it, such data simply does not exist, obviously because this armor did not hold the AKM bullet, and therefore it does not pull to the title of a full-fledged armor.
                      13. Darck
                        Darck 15 September 2012 14: 37
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                        Curious logic, do you know that a bullet is slowed down by air?
                        And you generally know that the cartridge is 7,62 × 39 and did not stand nearby with 7,63x63, even at a distance of 100 meters. By the way, an interesting fact.
                        Combined armor in the indicated masses provides protection (according to V-50 criterion) from armor-piercing bullets - APM2 cartridge 7,62 × 63 mm with D = 100 m, and from the M61 bullet cartridge 7,62 × 51 mm with D = 0 m;
                        The armor is optimized according to the criteria for bulletproof (7,62 mm armor-piercing bullet) resistance and weight. The used thicknesses of ceramic elements did not exceed 9 mm;
                        If already and armor-piercing 7,62x51 c 0 meters.
                        (what I doubt, the quote about it is somehow unconvincing)
                        Well, it’s necessary, one must look for excuses) this is not a noble business at all, inform people, they will still rest in their own.
                        In short, give a specific link that this bronik was holding a 7,62x39 bullet
                        Go to the wiki, it’s full of everything about him and he kept 7,62x51 / 7,62x63.
                        Point blank, then by standard - from 10m.
                        In general, at point blank range, this is when the muzzle touches the jelly, and from a distance of 10 meters, it is from a distance of 10 meters. The same NIJ, according to the standard of 5 or 7 meters.
                        20-30 percent of their energy?
                        Nefig you swing.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 34
                +1
                The cuirasses were too heavy if we were talking about the First World War. Basically - against shrapnel and splinters, in particular, in a number of pictures you can see that only the back of the carapace is worn - it was difficult to attack with these banduras.

                Quote: Passing by
                If we are talking about body armor in the modern sense, i.e. fabric vest holding a bullet, then where does the American anti-shatter nylon vest?

                He was with armored pads. Moreover, not only metal tabs were used.

                This is just a bronic in the modern sense. Modern ballistic materials and armor plates.
                1. Passing
                  Passing 13 September 2012 13: 07
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                  Quote: Pimply
                  This is just a bronic in the modern sense.

                  I agree, conceptually, the Americans were the first, but it's one thing to come up with an idea, but not be able to really translate it into "metal", and it's another to make a really working thing! What is this armor that does not hold a bullet? Even a pistol one ??? No matter how the advertisement calls it, but this is an anti-fragmentation armor.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 17
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                    I repeat. The Americans made a bronic, capable of holding a pistol bullet, back in the 1923 year. That is why the FBI, for example, urgently had to increase the caliber of weapons.

                    What kind of bronik, unable to hold a pistol bullet? Normal, anti-shatter. Shards and shrapnel carried no less danger. And in these anti-fragmentation armor plates there was a function of installing armor plates, both from alloys and fiberglass (tested in Okinawa).
            2. Darck
              Darck 13 September 2012 01: 15
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              French bibs, fired by a peler, a pistol and a rifle.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 30
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            They were used mainly against shrapnel and splinters - more sense. Everyone had it. But the Germans had 500 thousands. 8 supply).
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 28
          +1
          M52 was later. M12 at the beginning was, with special bulletproof tabs.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 28
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        The Germans were the first to use steel cuirasses in modern-format wars, 500000 pieces were delivered to WWI, no less. This is if you really dig.



        As for the American. M12 and others were not just anti-fragmentation, but with special pockets for armor plates, and clearly indicated - bulletproof. In particular, when storming Okinawa, vests with fiberglass plates, like, were used.

        So the first were not
    2. Lieutenant colonel
      Lieutenant colonel 13 September 2012 01: 47
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      The first semblance of modern body armor appeared in the Soviet army during the Battle of Kursk. true in small quantities.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 13 September 2012 02: 39
        +2
        I'm afraid to disappoint you, but no.


        1923 year, Americans. From pistol bullets. 0,22 Long Rifle, 0,25 ACP, .32 S & W Long, .32 S & W, .380 ACP and .45 ACP.

        In the years of the Second World War - superiority for Britons. Broniki for pilots. Well, the Americans were the first to use modern type armor plates. M12, T34, T39, T62E1.

        What you mean is the CH-42 Breastplate. There was an even earlier option, by the way.
        1. Passing
          Passing 13 September 2012 12: 59
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          I'm afraid to disappoint you, but no.
          http://army-news.ru/2012/07/otechestvennye-armejskie-bronezhilety-chast-1/
          The Central State Military-Historical Archive stores a booklet sewn into one of the files and published in a typographical manner, entitled “The catalog of shells invented by Lieutenant Colonel A. A. Chemerzin.” It contains the following information:
          “The weight of the shell: 11/2 pounds (1 pound - 409,5 grams) - the lightest, 8 pounds - the heaviest. Invisible under clothes. The shells are designed against gun bullets.
          Shells weighing 8 pounds not pierced by a 3-line military rifle. The shells cover: the heart, stomach, lungs, both sides, back and spinal column against the heart and lungs. The impenetrability of each shell in the presence of the buyer is verified by shooting. ”
          The "Catalog" contains several acts of testing of protective shells, which were carried out in 1905-1907. In one of the acts it was reported: “In the city of Oranienbaum on June 11, 1905, in the presence of HIS IMPERIAL Majesty the Sovereign Emperor, a machine-gun company was fired. The shell made of alloy, which was invented by Lieutenant Colonel Chemerzin, was shot from 8 machine guns from a distance of 300 steps. 36 bullets hit the shell. It was not pierced, nor were there cracks in it either. During the tests, there was a variable composition of the rifle school. ”
          In addition, armor was also tested in the reserve of the Moscow police, and they were made to order. They were fired at from a distance of 15 steps. The act noted that the shells "were impenetrable, and the bullets did not give splinters. The first batch made was satisfactory. ”
          The act of the reserve committee of the St. Petersburg Metropolitan Police contains the following entry: “During the tests, the following results were obtained: while shooting at the chest armor weighing 4 pounds, 75 spools (spool is 4,26 g) and the dorsal shell weighing 5 pounds 18 spools, which were covered with fine silk matter, covering the chest, sides, abdomen and back, bullets breaking through the matter are deformed and create depressions on the shell, but do not pierce it, remaining between the shell and the matter, and the fragments of the bullet do not fly out. "
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 19
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            Respected. PANISHIRI tried not only in Russia in different forms. I talked about the massive use of cuirasses and shells in modern warfare. Massively used by the Germans. Do you know how many similar developments I will dig for you if I climb on Japanese, German and English Internet? Cheremsin is good. But his shell did not go into mass production. And the German went. Half a million copies.



            Bronik, 1901 year. A shot from a pistol at point blank range.
            1. Passing
              Passing 13 September 2012 15: 50
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              Okay, they convinced me of the shells. smile
              But, for full-fledged bronics in the modern sense, sorry no. Facts are stubborn things. The world's first full-fledged army body armor holding a machine gun bullet - made in the USSR. Dot. All these your aluminum and fiberglass inserts did not hold the machine gun bullet. Naturally, I'm not talking about a pool that has flown over the horizon. So you can equate a quilted jacket with an insert in the form of a party card to body armor. In fact, there have been cases when this worked. wink
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 53
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                Which one? I just told you about bulletproof bulletproof vests. STILL IN THE SECOND WORLD. Then there were almost no guns - there were rifles and items.

                Then M-1951. Held 7,62 × 25. Korean warfare. 6b1, holding the SAME bullet, appeared in 1957
                1. Passing
                  Passing 13 September 2012 16: 57
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                  Quote: Pimply
                  I just told you about bulletproof bulletproof vests. STILL IN THE SECOND WORLD. Then there were almost no guns - there were rifles and items.

                  Well, we agreed that a cuirass is not a bulletproof vest in the modern sense, so that cuirasses were kept there is a separate conversation. And besides, you never showed who else besides the USSR made cuirasses with resistance to bullets used in that war, not civilian versions, but military ones. "Textolite inserts" are somehow vague, which model of the armor, which year of adoption, what is the resistance to bullets?
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Then M-1951. Held 7,62 × 25. Korean warfare. 6b1, holding the SAME bullet, appeared in 1957

                  Neither 6b1, nor even more so M-1951 held a 7,62X25 bullet in the full sense of the word! I repeat once again - either we accept the criterion for a point-blank shot, or we equate a quilted jacket with the rate of a party membership card to body armor.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 13 September 2012 18: 46
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                    The Japanese, for example.





                    Shanghai, 1932 year



                    And this is closer to the end of the war.



                    The Germans, 1930

                    The cuirasses were almost not made - because there were new, more modern materials.

                    No one talks pro - point blank.

                    At close range. This is what all sources indicate. Point-blank held a pistol shot. Those armor plates that you want point blank - they appeared only in the second half of 70x
  14. heruv1me
    heruv1me 12 September 2012 12: 46
    +2
    Again this sad uncle in the photo :) "That Ivanushka is not cheerful, he hung his head up? ..."

    Oh, by the way, about the first in body armor, the author meant that the first in Afghanistan or what? As far as I know, almost all amers in Vietnam wore bronics, and that was earlier.
  15. Gfiw
    Gfiw 12 September 2012 12: 52
    +3
    Clearly. Only it seems to me that this is the outfit of the "present", not the "future". Now it would be more likely to join her in the troops ...
  16. PSih2097
    PSih2097 12 September 2012 13: 51
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    A communicator will be placed on his ammunition, which will determine the coordinates of the soldier using GPS and GLONASS systems, which will make it easy enough to solve the tasks of target designation, terrain orientation and other applied calculations. At the same time, the location of the serviceman on the battlefield will be automatically transferred to the CP and the fighter should not, in principle, disappear.

    I liked about the GPS, it will be seen not only by their own, but also by the enemy, to whom the Americans will transmit information in real time ...
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 12 September 2012 13: 55
      +1
      Yeah, gps smiled too)
  17. Nuclear_eagle
    Nuclear_eagle 12 September 2012 14: 02
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    So all this is not bad, make up for lost time. The main thing is that all these wires and computers do not interfere with combat use and are trouble-free as a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
  18. Darck
    Darck 12 September 2012 14: 35
    +1
    In the course of this kit, the wires that stick out at the very beginning of the video are hampered.
    1. Joker
      Joker 12 September 2012 16: 43
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      Like a gingerbread man, it looks awful, all the pockets are jammed with electronics, where can I put the stores? Again, the discharge is sloppy, the whole world uses MOLLE fasteners, ours still go in vests, fishermen go fishing in such currents.
  19. sergey05
    sergey05 12 September 2012 14: 37
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    In my opinion, the form requires a more serious study, but here it seems that it was bungled in the shortest possible time and with a minimum of development costs. Roughly the same as with the Tiger armored vehicle.
  20. Footmansur86
    Footmansur86 12 September 2012 14: 39
    +2
    There are more interesting developments of domestic companies.
    The trend of the season for each fighter on the navigator and walkie-talkie (you can fake, as the main thing is an awesome look and stylish design)
    Remember, a man is fighting, not equipment, especially since after a kilometer through the intersection, you want to remove everything and throw it into a ravine.
    P.S. I ask you not to forget that only in the cinema there are endless cartridges and you can not eat, do not sleep, etc. And a real soldier has more ammunition (and preferably two), replaceable clothes, food (dry pack), specials. funds (RPGs, RPOs, means of all kinds of reconnaissance, mining tools, VHF radio stations, etc.)
  21. Footmansur86
    Footmansur86 12 September 2012 15: 07
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    As they did not guess, the navigator to make a 27-inch with full HD, it seems they pulled it off the technique))
  22. andrey903
    andrey903 12 September 2012 15: 08
    -1
    In this form, it is inconvenient to build cottages, dig holes
  23. in reserve
    in reserve 12 September 2012 18: 54
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    It’s not a secret to anyone that today NATO troops in their guise have become like a cyborg, while a Russian soldier enters the battle, almost in the same clothes in which his ancestors fought on the Borodino field almost 200 years ago

    Finally thought. Let's see how this will actually happen.
  24. roninas
    roninas 12 September 2012 19: 17
    +1
    You can argue about a lot, and by the way, yes, much in Ratnik is debatable. As I think, Ratnik is a kind of complex set, from which a soldier must assemble equipment according to the task. It is clear that rummaging through the forest in full protection is utter nonsense. the problem of provision has moved (??) from its place. By the way, whatever you say, but modern military personnel, precisely those who have dedicated themselves to this, buy themselves both shoes and equipment, because in any case, you want to be comfortable and as comfortable as possible . I’m not saying that this is good, but many of those for whom the profession is military and bread and vocation also do. Here is a video, take a closer look at what they are wearing and "caged" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v = qN2ODFAgSOk & featu
    re = player_
    embedded
  25. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 12 September 2012 20: 28
    -1
    Kick and this is the 21st century ??? !!! I would kill, I would cut everything out. Well, you already have a fuck if the brains are completely gone. Damn nothing to even comment.
  26. plump
    plump 12 September 2012 21: 05
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    Here is a choice: mobility and freedom of movement or plus 20-30 kg and doubtful confidence in your invulnerability? Plus, something is not believed that this shnyaga holds a bullet of SVD. Well, she will fall into a melon, the sphere holds, but the neck vertebrae do not hold. Then what is the point of all this?
  27. flanker7
    flanker7 12 September 2012 22: 01
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    Yes, damn it in production soon, sew and dress everyone! What is necessary to argue or not? Good or bad? THIS IS MUCH BETTER THAN NOTHING (well, in the sense of now)
  28. SlavakharitonoV
    SlavakharitonoV 12 September 2012 22: 24
    0
    For the first time, the form will come off. All the same, such equipment for our army is new.
  29. plump
    plump 12 September 2012 22: 50
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    Why "for the first time"? And what about the Barmitsa experience?
  30. ra1647
    ra1647 12 September 2012 22: 52
    0
    the question is the price of this kit, if a large pair of dressed regiments will be for show
    and in the troops, as always, NOTHING
  31. PSih2097
    PSih2097 13 September 2012 01: 00
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    It’s just that our General Staff of the Defense Ministry separately and the Defense Ministry as a whole need to accept one thing - the people (in particular, conscripts) aren’t illiterate, they will deal with computers, tablets, Abakana and AEKs faster than commanders, just let them serve normally, providing everyone with what they need (electronics, cartridges, shells, normal equipment), and not serve ...
  32. подводник
    подводник 13 September 2012 01: 58
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    Guys. Of course, everything is fun and correct.
    Thank you everyone
    But here is one thing:
    In the photographs for this article is a soldier-well-to-froze-to-frolic !!!!!
    Really did not find any credible brave marine or paratrooper, growth of 2 m and a shoulder width of 1,5 m.
    Well, just ashamed of this soldier.....
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 September 2012 03: 12
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      the hut did not fall wink 2 meters of marines and paratroopers - we hide in the taiga, and we show everyone foreigners at exhibitions wassat
    2. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 13 September 2012 03: 46
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      Guys. Of course, everything is fun and correct.
      Thank you everyone
      But here is one thing:
      In the photographs for this article is a soldier-well-to-froze-to-frolic !!!!!
      Really did not find any credible brave marine or paratrooper, growth of 2 m and a shoulder width of 1,5 m.
      Well, just ashamed of such a soldier .....


      There were few high thugs in the war. They do not live there for a long time. And it’s not a soldier, but one of the developers.
  33. plump
    plump 14 September 2012 00: 24
    +1
    Frogs are sitting in the General Staff. laughing
  34. rikcha
    rikcha 1 October 2012 17: 20
    +1
    I don’t know how interesting my commentary will be, but it has become painful. I work in the clothing industry - they were the first to test fire-resistant fabrics for Gazprom in 2001, before that, in 1997, test Kevlar body armor was sewn using ceramic armor plates, we constantly monitor the textile market for various kinds of protection (mainly for fire protection). I can immediately say that what is being offered for testing is yesterday in the world. Today we could offer fabrics of the American military standard TRU (tactical modification of military uniforms) for the army — not domestic ones, heat insulation for tanks and flyers, fireproof masks — like gas masks, but it’s microtechnology, and a number of other innovations that could would be in demand in the army. But such novelties and technologies are not needed there, just need a tick under execution
  35. T1GER_1
    T1GER_1 19 October 2012 11: 48
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    There’s another T 90 of some kind. As they usually say, it’s too expensive and will be left for special forces, but ordinary soldiers are puny. First, Russia and Kazakhstan need to cancel the compulsory army, then it will become 10 times smaller and more efficient. The budget is already something it’s going to go to professional military, and not to schoolchildren. Won, Kazakhstan has already fallen to the point that it takes away its work from citizens in favor of the army, freaks ...
    Border troops are needed, and the main ones (Airborne Forces) for the quick transfer and accumulation of forces in the right place, as is done in Germany. And not the strongmen of the mercenary, but the professional soldiers who are consciously going to SERVE, and not toil. Therefore, in Europe, students study, workers work, and soldiers fight, not porridge. That's where the price of life, the price of life of people who take risks for a good deed. Because there are so many electronics. 1 NATO soldier sitting at the console will carry hundreds of new recruits and ordinary equipped fighters of the Russian type. People in Russia are smart, they can do everything, but there’s nothing. Just as the government will cancel the combat platform for protecting a tank in a mass version, they will do the same. Shit on the soldiers, the budget is stolen, there’s not enough money for ordinary people.
    PSA American soldiers bullet AK already jaw and nose bridge breaks current ...
  36. caretaker
    caretaker 19 July 2013 05: 27
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    All these ropes, wires, pockets, fasteners, devices will not bring you to any good! So, .. to show off at the exhibition, but try to walk at least 5 km in such equipment on "green"?) ...