Turkish official: Erdogan and Putin agreed to maintain the status quo in Syrian Idlib

The Turkish press is discussing the visit of Recep Erdogan to Russia. Recall that Erdogan flew to Sochi for a dialogue with Vladimir Putin. At the same time, rather concise information has been published on the official website of the President of the Russian Federation - mainly about economic and humanitarian cooperation between Moscow and Ankara.

Meanwhile, Turkish officials from Erdogan's delegation say that one of the important topics for the talks was the Syrian issue. In particular, the theme of the Syrian Idlib. If you believe the statements of representatives of the Turkish authorities, then Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vladimir Putin agreed "to maintain the status quo on Idlib."

It is noted that the Turkish servicemen "will continue to monitor the situation in Idlib at the previously established observation posts." A Turkish official, whose name the Turkish press does not name, said it was "an important agreement between the two presidents."

Earlier, we will remind, Vladimir Putin raised the issue of the illegitimate presence in Syria of a number of foreign military contingents. According to the President of the Russian Federation, contingents that do not have a UN mandate or were not invited by the official authorities of the SAR should leave Syrian territory as soon as possible.

Now, if you again believe the unnamed Turkish official, to whom Turkish reporters refer, the issue of the withdrawal of Turkish troops from the SAR, including from Idlib, is no longer on the agenda. It is worth noting that the Turkish troops to stay in Syria have neither a UN mandate nor an invitation from official Damascus, and therefore de jure are illegitimate in the SAR.

Against this background, the Syrian and Turkish press note that the day when the Russian and Turkish presidents met in Sochi, in the north and north-west of Syria, turned out to be the calmest in the past few months.

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[rocket757]

Turkish official: Erdogan and Putin agreed to maintain the status quo in Syrian Idlib

This will have to be looked at ... carefully.

[Egoza]

According to the President of the Russian Federation, contingents that do not have a UN mandate or were not invited by the official authorities

You might think that the US takes a mandate from the UN every time or is waiting for an invitation!

[rocket757]

"the right of the strong" ... they practically monopolized it and are very indignant / furious when others begin to do the same!

[Seryoga64]

Quote: rocket757

and they are very indignant / furious,

And the sanctions are imposed

[rocket757]

Raging ... there are no restrictions at all.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Egoza

You might think that the US takes a mandate from the UN every time or is waiting for an invitation!

As soon as they take and receive the invitation, the earth will begin to rotate in the opposite direction.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: rocket757

Turkish official:

Some strange official

an unnamed Turkish official,

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Seryoga64

Some strange official
an unnamed Turkish official,

It looks like a fake.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: tihonmarine

It looks like a fake.

What does Turkish have to do with

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Seryoga64

Some strange official

[Seryoga64]

Exactly he. I even hid my face

[the most important]

Quote: rocket757

Turkish official: Erdogan and Putin agreed to maintain the status quo in Syrian Idlib
This will have to be looked at ... carefully.

Judging by the fact that there is no news of a joint press conference following the talks, there is no particular success. But if the Turks do not leave Idlib, then they were able to insist on their interests at the expense of the interests of Syria and Russia.

[rocket757]

Boom wait and see what things go ... or not.

[Alex777]

Sorry colleague Hrych disappeared somewhere.
It would be interesting to listen to him.

[Barberry25]

the question is not whether they will leave or not, but WHEN will they leave ..

[antivirus]

I do not know . but it is interesting - did Gazprom receive a "take or pay" contract from the Turks? at 18-20 g there was an overabundance of cheap LNG - this is the key to the smiles of two friends

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

How is the status quo? This is when ours, accidentally, bomb the Turks and everyone smiles and swears friendship?

[askort154]

NDR-791.As you wish, but personally, I see Russian-Turkish relations only in this way:

And so it is, if you remove the black hand with the knife.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: askort154

if you remove the black hand with a knife

But you don't need to put an olive branch there either.

[210ox]

Only one has a dagger. Do we have leverage over Turkey? Most likely no. And business tomatoes, gas, nuclear energy are all profit. And this cow is sacred.

[nnm]

Why not? Everything new is well forgotten old. For example, there is a lever in the form of Kurdistan with the PKK.
Plus, oppositional sentiments are strong, which was shown by the elections in Istanbul.

[donavi49]

Well, what about Kurdistan? It is beautiful on the map, but not on earth. That same Iraq showed that when the authorities and the Persians let the field commanders point donkeys with bucks, so the entire Iraqi Kurdistan with Kirkuk collapsed. Moreover, the Kurds were ousted even from the regions that they had occupied since 2003.

Which Kurdistan are you going to support? The Arfinsky are the most ideological, but they have already been pressed to the nail, and in the mountains they are being finished off. And the number is not the same. Eurfat under the Americans and their norms, even if all the other Kurds are cut, they will score a hookah for themselves and try to fish villages in the muddy water. The northern ones - so they have no weapons, no numbers, and there is no desire to die, knowing that the southern ones will not help them, either. Hasaksky? So they are tightly under the Americans, and every 3-4 months, they try to drive the SAA out of the city, directly attacking, shelling and storming government troops.

[Paul_Zibert]

They surrendered everything ... and for a long time

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Do you want to say that the Turks are doing business in Russia, were they allowed to build a stream and a nuclear power plant for Christ's sake?
Like: "Well, we don't really need all this, actually. But, if you really want to, then so be it, we don't mind."

[210ox]

Turks are like our businessmen, and very large ones do business. And hence the conclusion. We cannot put pressure on the Turks, as they do on us. For money. And moreover, we are in a worse situation, the Turks can take by the throat our logistics to Syria and not only.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: NDR-791

As you wish, but personally, I see Russian-Turkish relations only in this way:

Such are not only Russian-Turkish relations, but relations between everyone and everyone.
Homo homini lupus est.

[Flooding]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Homo homini lupus est.

the main thing is to act according to the accepted rules and understand when they cease to work

[Cheshire]

VVP tastes so-so. I could have chosen a "partner" more beautifully.
A very offensive drawing for a sultan.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: NDR-791

As you wish, but personally, I see Russian-Turkish relations only in this way:

some kind of homosexual. Ugh....

[Seryoga64]

Now, if you believe again

Gyyyyy
What then to talk about
Discuss what the grandmothers came up with on the bench?
Good activity

[Mountain shooter]

We do not know anything about what VVP and the Sultan agreed on, and the conjectures of the journalists (Turkish) are Wishlist, against the background of constant pressure on Idlib. On the part of both the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAR. These Turkish strongholds will not interfere ... They will bypass them, and they are quietly evacuated, as it was already ...

[Alex777]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

They will bypass them, and they quietly evacuate, as it was already ...

If everything remained as it is, it would be a victory for the Sultan.
I see no reason to disperse so quietly. They would tell.
And since there is silence, then the Sultan went to think - what should he do?

[Alexander 3]

I wonder if oil tankers are also going to Turkey at this time?

[210ox]

The Kurds took control of them.

[Andobor]

Something tells me that the Turkish wishes tell us,
not facts.

[askort154]

Earlier, we will remind, Vladimir Putin raised the issue of the illegitimate presence in Syria of a number of foreign military contingents.

We are at VO, we also raise this issue regularly. So what ?!
Judging by the fact that our press has already forgotten about the negotiations, the "breakthrough" did not take place. Only one thing is welcome - "maintaining the status quo in Idlib."
That is, Turkey is not a step out of Syria. The border zone and Idlib remain the fiefdom of Turkey. And what is there to be happy about ?! The fact that our tourists will continue to export tens of billions of dollars to Turkey.

[Model101]

Better to Turkey than to fucking Sochi and Crimea. Who was he will understand.

[Andobor]

Erdogan leaked, Putin introduces:
https://youtu.be/CEKmY6G2ZOA
the territory of southern Idlib comes under the control of Assad,
we'll see the rest.

[suhorukofal]

Podolyaka is an expert on all issues. He may be right, but all his words are based, as he says, on Syrian sources. In my opinion, all interesting to all, it is too early to draw any conclusions, I hope that Podolyaka will be right.

[Andobor]

Quote: suhorukofal

He may be right, but all his words are based, as he says, on Syrian sources.

There, without Syrian sources, a picture is drawn, the sources are already proof.
Yes - they are not unambiguous yet.

[businessv]

Now, if you again believe the unnamed Turkish official, to whom Turkish reporters refer, the issue of the withdrawal of Turkish troops from the SAR, including from Idlib, is no longer on the agenda.

I think you can trust a Turk in this matter more than our pro-government media. What can you say here? It sucks that such an issue "is no longer on the agenda" because it undermines the confidence of the allies in our country, which is already not up to par, and for the Syrians it will most likely be a disappointment in cooperation with us, which is very bad.

[Fungus]

Turku to believe not to respect yourself. I believe in ours.

[businessv]

Quote: Fungus

Turku to believe not to respect yourself. I believe in ours.

Damn, stop throwing slogans, I wrote "in this issue", which is discussed here! I, too, "for all the good, against all the bad", but who believes whom does not affect the situation in which the Turks do what they want in the SAR and the situation does not change after the negotiations!

[Tzar]

Quote: businessv

I think you can trust a Turk in this matter more than our pro-government media.

When these same Turks said that all observation posts in Idlib would remain in their places, and Assad's troops would leave the territories occupied during the offensive - was it also good to believe?

Quote: businessv

It sucks that such a question "is no longer on the agenda"

Well, yes, the Turks will stay, they will simply reduce their presence in southern Idlib ... Until the next negotiations ...

Quote: businessv

for the Syrians, this will most likely be a disappointment in cooperation with us

The Syrians themselves made many mistakes in this war, the Russian Federation is only acting out of the current situation.

[businessv]

Quote: Tzar

The Syrians themselves made many mistakes in this war, the Russian Federation is only acting out of the current situation.

Yes, if not for us, today it would be ISIS (prohibited in Russia)! And now, should we count the miscalculations of the SAR, or create a situation in which it would be unprofitable for the Turks to remain in Syria? The latter is preferable, otherwise what the hell are we there for ?! Everyone is annoyed by the agreements after the opposite was previously stated!

[APASUS]

The games around Idlib continue. Is Putin expecting Erdogan to break the wood and leave Syria himself?

[voyaka uh]

The Turks are investing in Idlib, turning it into a wealthy region of Syria.
Indeed, apart from Latakia and the center of Damascus, all of Syria is in ruins.
Someday they will annex Idlib and the north of Aleppo province. And at the referendum the population will support them in unison.

[businessv]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Turks are investing in Idlib, turning it into a wealthy region of Syria.

It was not the Turks who "turned" him, he was the richest before them, as far as it was possible in the SAR, because there are the most fertile lands and for life it was one of the most preferable in Syria. And the Turks have already annexed it, how else can you call their presence?

[voyaka uh]

Annexation is a legal state act. The presence of troops is not annexation.
And so ... Aleppo was the city of Aleppo in the Ottoman Empire. The second most populous.
Erdogan has revanchist ambitions. And he is also a "land gatherer"

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

And so ... Aleppo was the city of Aleppo in the Ottoman Empire. The second most populous.
Erdogan has revanchist ambitions. And he is also a "land gatherer"

It is very strange that Erdogan did not intervene until the moment of the seizure of Aleppo by Assad. Aleppo + Idlib is a very fatty piece of Syria, with a motley ethnic composition, a large number of Turks. I really don't understand why he waited until only Idlib remained.

[voyaka uh]

I was also surprised then.
Iran actively participated in the siege and storming of the city of Aleppo. Maybe they did not agree with them, and Erdogan did not dare to contact both Assad and the Iranians at the same time?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Maybe they did not agree with them, and Erdogan did not dare to contact both Assad and the Iranians at the same time?

Maybe. Several variants:
1. Iran, Russia, Assad were categorically against it, right up to a direct war. I didn't want a tough conflict.
2. Erdogan did not have as much power as after the coup in the same year. Or was busy with internal showdowns.
3. Maybe Erdogan did not want to go there at all, after an unsuccessful coup, he decided to give in to the "hawks"
4. It would be better if the Army fought and the generals thought about an external enemy than about internal squabbles. It was after the unsuccessful coup that Turkey began to fight more actively.

Most likely a combination of these factors. External positions of Iran and Russia + internal instability.

[businessv]

Quote: voyaka uh

Erdogan has revanchist ambitions. And he is also a "land gatherer"

Well, he never hid it, it is not clear only why "too"? The GDP did this not out of convictions, but because of the situation, which was not in Russia's favor, and therefore "picked up" a little, and the Sultan acts differently - much bolder / bolder. Where we needed to act quickly, boldly and without looking back ... In short, the Sultan is a fine fellow for his country.

[Machete]

I don't know, the Syrians write that the Turks have begun to withdraw their troops from Idlib.
But, as they say, take your word for it ...
We are waiting for official messages.

[businessv]

Quote: Machete

I don't know, the Syrians write that the Turks have begun to withdraw their troops from Idlib.

Not a withdrawal, a partial relocation. Apparently, we agreed on something, but nothing will change dramatically, I think. We wait.

[riwas]

Erdogan and Putin agree to maintain the status quo in Syrian Idlib

It could not be otherwise. Too many levers of pressure from Turkey on Russia.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Turkish an official whose name the Turkish press does not name, said it was "an important agreement between the two presidents."

Well, or as an option: OBS (one grandmother said)

[Ural resident]

Something everywhere we have a status quo. Turkey has entered the Caucasus - the status quo. Turkey entered the Caspian - the status quo. Turkey has chopped off a piece of Syria - also the status quo. The Americans in Ukraine, the Russian lands under the Banderaites, too, apparently the status quo. Maybe we will also invade somewhere, for example, Constantinople and stay there, agree on the status. And will it be like winning once again? Have you checked the tomatoes? everything is fine - can you continue to trade?

[Paul_Zibert]

Deer shut up!
For us the main thing is TOMATOES!

[Pavel57]

the main thing is to act according to the accepted rules and understand when they cease to work ...

You need to know the rules in order to develop your own rules.

[BAI]

"The Quietest Day" The Turks fired at and nearly shot down a Russian helicopter. And what happens on turbulent days?

[Paul_Zibert]

The Kremlin has surrendered its positions ...

[Paul_Zibert]

Erdogan won again ????

[Andobor]

Quote: Paul_Zibert

Erdogan won again ????

- Putin will introduce and everything will pass.

[Alexey Gel]

this Turkish chameleon cannot be trusted. keep it on a short leash.

[Victor Tsenin]

The title photo is gorgeous for attentive citizens, as far as speaking facial expressions, position.