Negotiations between Putin and Erdogan: subjects of discussion and directions for compromises

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According to unofficial data - which, however, have already been partially confirmed in the presidential administration of the Russian Federation - the main sections of the talks are devoted to the problems of Syria and Afghanistan. But if on the Afghan topic the first steps are just beginning to reconcile positions and develop common solutions, then on the list of Syrian issues, the accumulated disagreements will have to be overcome. The Turks, for example, do not like the activity of the Russian Aerospace Forces in supporting the Syrian units, and also the principled consistency in the elimination of paramilitary groups that Ankara does not recognize as terrorists.

For its part, the Russian leadership is also not enthusiastic about the behavior of the Turkish military: launches drones or shelling on patrol routes is often carried out from territories located in the area of ​​​​responsibility of Turkey. And the process of stabilization and further settlement is hampered by constant accusations of violating previously reached agreements - moreover, reproaches are recorded from both sides.



One way or another, the first statements by Vladimir Putin on the Sochi platform create an atmosphere for a productive dialogue on all items of the negotiating agenda. The Russian leader noted the existence of common points of contact in the sphere of foreign policy interests of the Russian Federation and Turkey, emphasized the growing dynamics of trade and investment exchange between the countries. Putin also recalled that after the abolition of compulsory sanitary measures, the number of Russian tourists in 2021 increased markedly, exceeding by more than a million people the indicators of the "covid" season in 2020.

The Turkish president did not remain in debt, expressing confidence in the benefits of mutually beneficial development and strengthening of Russian-Turkish ties. Speaking about this, Erdogan agreed that the issue of a settlement in Syria largely depends on how easy or difficult the process of reaching compromises is. The Turkish leader also drew attention to the topic of manipulation, repeating: Ankara will not allow attempts to influence the decisions that are made in dialogue with Moscow. This applies equally to the economic component and the sphere of military-technical cooperation.

As a sign of confirmation of his constructive intentions, Recep Erdogan said that they will try to launch the first block of the first Turkish nuclear power plant Akkuyu next year.

At first glance, Moscow and Ankara tried to avoid sharp corners and do without sensations “in public”. It is possible that the results of the agreements reached behind the closed door of the Sochi residence, over time, will also make themselves felt. And preferably in a positive way. It was not for nothing that Erdogan came to a meeting with Putin, accompanied by the head of the Turkish national intelligence.

It is important to note that the topic of Crimea was not raised in the conversation between the two presidents. Recall that at the UN, Erdogan said that Ankara does not recognize the elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation on the Crimean territory. Dmitry Peskov then made it clear that this had nothing to do with Ankara at all, since it was a purely internal Russian affair.

And already before the start of the talks, informed sources noted that Crimea would definitely not be raised as a topic for a dialogue between the two presidents. Thus, the thesis was confirmed that in personal negotiations with the Russian leader, the Turkish president does not allow himself to move on to topics that can unambiguously strike a blow at bilateral relations. If there is room for discussions and compromises between Moscow and Ankara on the issue of Syria and Afghanistan, then the topic of Crimea definitely does not tolerate any compromises for the simple reason that in 2014 it became part of the Russian Federation on the basis of the popular will.
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  1. -13
    29 September 2021 17: 40
    The Turks did not cope with their homework to control the militants, so Putin summoned Erdogan to the carpet,
    Last year, the Syrians squeezed the floor of Idlib, they will now squeeze the rest.
    1. +6
      29 September 2021 17: 44
      Why raise the issue about Crimea, if Ze himself, the emperor of planet Earth, was going to ask him cruelly from Putin? laughing
      1. Cat
        +2
        29 September 2021 18: 19
        Why raise the issue about Crimea?

        VVP's red tie clearly shows the direction to go with such issues. lol
        1. 0
          29 September 2021 18: 21
          Erdogan is beneficial to us! Despite his anti-Russian freaks, he is a big awl in the ass of the Anglo-Saxons and NATO!
          1. Cat
            +16
            29 September 2021 18: 25
            he is a big awl in the ass of the Anglo-Saxons and NATO!

            Whose ass is he in the most is a moot point, if you take into account Syria, Ukraine, Karabakh and a little Afghan.
            1. -9
              29 September 2021 18: 26
              In the ass of Syria, Ukraine, Karabakh (Armenia is to blame) and a little Afghan! Everything is logical!
              1. Cat
                +9
                29 September 2021 18: 34
                Everything is logical!

                That's how it is, they are to blame. But to all the aforementioned asses of the Russian Federation, too ... mnee .. not entirely indifferent. In these places, the interests of Russia and Turkey overlap to a greater extent than the interests of Turkey and NATO.
        2. +8
          29 September 2021 19: 05
          Quote: Gato
          Why raise the issue about Crimea?

          VVP's red tie clearly shows the direction to go with such issues. lol


          I also noticed the red tie. But this is not about Crimea.

          If a red flag is displayed, then it is like attention. And what attention is drawn to has already been spoken in words.

          In words, Erdogan was told about the economy that Turkey has not been creating problems lately and the trade turnover has not only recovered, but also showed significant growth. That there are many gas pipeline projects, nuclear power plants, s400, large investments both from Turkey to Russia and from Russia to Turkey. The number of tourists to Turkey.

          The painful points were voiced by Armenia, Syria, Libya.

          Leitmotif Turkey and Russia are linked by very close mutually beneficial economic ties. Those. Erdogan be careful because of problems in pain points Turkey may lose it.

          Erdogan, when he took the floor, turned on the fool, replied that
          there will be NO PEACE in Syria without Russia-Turkey interaction.
          Those. like nothing you can do in Syria without Turkey.
          On tourism, he said that they travel a little because of covid restrictions and in general, Russian citizens like to relax in Turkey. Those. type not Turkey should be grateful for tourists from Russia, but on the contrary, Russia should thank Turkey for the opportunity to relax at their resorts.

          Without who is to blame, there are very serious contradictions between Turkey and Russia that need to be resolved, i.e. there are supposed to be some compromises.

          But the Turk has shown a complete idiot who does not mean anything at all. Like I'm crazy about Feng Shui.

          I don’t know what it will be possible to agree on, there are great doubts. There could be an option that Syria would be left without clear agreements, but this is a military issue, which, in principle, could lead to a military clash, if not with Russia, then with the SAR. Then if this issue is not resolved, how to negotiate on С400.
          Although C400 deliveries with a large lag, if now they agree, then the deliveries will probably be somewhere in 2022-2023.

          In short, there are big doubts about the negotiability of the Turk, we will wait for the results.
          1. -1
            29 September 2021 19: 28
            Quote: Pandiurin
            But the Turk has shown a complete idiot who does not mean anything at all.

            Quote: Pandiurin
            type not Turkey should be grateful for tourists from Russia, but on the contrary, Russia should thank Turkey for the opportunity to relax at their resorts.

            As for the insanity of the Turks, it is understandable .. Not for nothing in Russia is not an intelligent person traditionally called a Turk .. And a tourist .. In the Russian Crimea and Sevastopol this year more than seven million people rested .. Something like this ..
            1. +3
              29 September 2021 22: 28
              More than seven million people vacationed in the Russian Crimea and Sevastopol this year .. Something like this

              So it's Covid's fault.
              1. 0
                29 September 2021 23: 20
                Quote: alexmach
                So it's Covid's fault.

                Kovid Americanovich Judean.
              2. 0
                30 September 2021 09: 06
                Quote: alexmach
                More than seven million people vacationed in the Russian Crimea and Sevastopol this year .. Something like this

                So it's Covid's fault.

                Kovid, not Kovid, but people went to the Russian Crimea, not Turkey ... And Sevastoplol is still full of tourists! People come from all over Mother Russia. Most like

                ...
                1. +2
                  30 September 2021 09: 32
                  Covid, not covid, but people went to the Russian Crimea

                  Covid, covid. The problem is that as soon as Europe is opened, the number of tourists in Crimea will decrease again.
            2. -2
              30 September 2021 06: 49
              only the quality is not comparable .. but as Turkey was opened, so the flow to the Crimea and Sochi has greatly decreased.
              1. -1
                30 September 2021 09: 09
                I haven't noticed ... the opening of Turkey and how it affected the tourist flow in Crimea and Sevastopol. There are still a lot of people. Quality for every taste. It all depends on your financial capabilities ..
                1. +2
                  30 September 2021 12: 26
                  Opportunities allow, thank God. I sent my friends to Crimea to rest, as S7 once again returned tickets to Montenegro due to covid. Prices in Crimea are higher than in Turkey by a head, the service is worse for two buildings, there is no service at all .... After that, a friend flew with his family, almost immediately poisoned himself in a cafe and the rest of his vacation was spent. People go for two reasons to see those who have never been, people are interested, the second reason is that Turkey was closed. That's all. And now Egypt will be opened .. With whom I communicate - we were in the Crimea, yes, okay, we went, looked at the Swallow's Nest, Ayu Dag, the bridge, and that's it, we won't go anymore, that's enough.
                  1. -4
                    30 September 2021 12: 38
                    Quote: Teptyar
                    Prices in Crimea are higher than in Turkey per head, the service is worse by two buildings, there is no service at all ...

                    Tell your mom about that. I am a Crimean. And yes in Turkey they are poisoned in their nausea ten times more.
                    1. +3
                      30 September 2021 13: 14
                      I seem to communicate correctly, I will ask my mother not to touch at all. I had a wife with children, they are not spoiled for me. Cleanliness, courtesy of staff, edible food and sea. Everything that's needed. In the markets, fruits, food are all at frenzied prices, the room was cleaned if only you go and say how to have a fight, ask. Anyway .. You live in Crimea - you like it, well, that's great!
                      1. -5
                        30 September 2021 15: 18
                        Listen! I have not offended you or your mother. Whom to go to, did you choose yourself? Themselves. The price is normal for fruit and meat. Crimean fruits are delicious! The products are good. And if you were not treated as masters, then you are not in Turkey, no one will bow. Only mutual respect. Love Turkey? For the sake of Allah go, there they bow for three kopecks. Here they respect each other.
          2. AUL
            +4
            29 September 2021 19: 38
            Quote: Pandiurin
            In short, there are big doubts about the negotiability of the Turk, we will wait for the results.

            It is possible to come to an agreement with a Turk, but the trust in such agreements is not special. In oriental traditions (the east is a delicate matter!) It is an honorable thing to throw a contract partner. For nothing that Turkey is tse Europa!
            1. +2
              29 September 2021 20: 20
              Quote from AUL
              Quote: Pandiurin
              In short, there are big doubts about the negotiability of the Turk, we will wait for the results.

              It is possible to come to an agreement with a Turk, but the trust in such agreements is not special. In oriental traditions (the east is a delicate matter!) It is an honorable thing to throw a contract partner. For nothing that Turkey is tse Europa!


              Agreements are a double-edged sword.
              For example, you can agree on how to disperse the edges. For example, four points on the map were taken, and by a certain date it was agreed that the Turks would leave there completely. What will happen if the Turks violate the treaty and leave their people there. That's right, who didn't leave is to blame.
          3. +3
            29 September 2021 22: 59
            Quote: Pandiurin
            In short, there are big doubts about the negotiability of the Turk, we will wait for the results.


            Again, an agreement ...

      2. 0
        29 September 2021 18: 29
        This is of course, but here's the second syllable = .. I don’t believe it.
      3. 0
        29 September 2021 20: 31
        Choice ,, wise ,, ukro- people, to meet with GDP will not go. Piano, the plane does not fit.
      4. +2
        30 September 2021 06: 15
        Quote: Finches
        Why raise the issue about Crimea, if Ze himself, the emperor of planet Earth, was going to ask him cruelly from Putin? laughing

        What is the Earth ... Emperor of All Ukraine! The second is much cooler than some kind of Earth.
        Feel smile
    2. +1
      29 September 2021 17: 49
      Colleague, in fact, it was Erdogan who urgently requested a meeting, after reports of an impending attack on Idlib. And I came with the head of intelligence_ see if the data will be transferred to ours, will it be interesting to us? ; and what will be asked in return? Let's take a look.
      1. -2
        29 September 2021 17: 56
        Quote: GUARDIAN
        Erdogan urgently requested a meeting after reports of an impending attack on Idlib. And I came with the head of intelligence_ see if the data will be transferred to ours, will it be interesting to us?

        Putin gives Erdogan a chance to save face - partner, no - it will be like with the Americans, Biden made the same agreement with Putin before the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, and the planes did not fall over Kabul, but how beautiful it turned out in the end.
        1. +3
          29 September 2021 17: 59
          Your words, yes to God in the ears. If the negotiations end with this result, then until the peace in Syria, it will remain to expel the Yankees.
          1. 0
            29 September 2021 23: 26
            Quote: GUARDIAN
            until peace in Syria will remain to expel the Yankees.

            Our pits. Their. Tested to the pain in the spine.
      2. +7
        29 September 2021 18: 23
        Quote: GUARDIAN
        ... And I came with the head of intelligence_ see if the data will be transferred to ours, will it be interesting to us? ;

        It will be very interesting for us, it would not be so strong, but the contract with Hungary, for example, has already added interest ... sad
    3. +5
      29 September 2021 17: 50
      “Don’t trust the three, don’t trust the Turk” ... the truth told centuries ago! It is high time for the Kremlin to stop being liberal, and rigidly defend its interests, and to make concessions to all sorts of naughty guys ...
      1. +7
        29 September 2021 19: 30
        Quote: Thrifty
        “Don’t trust the three, don’t trust the Turk” ... the truth told centuries ago! It is high time for the Kremlin to stop being liberal, and rigidly defend its interests, and to make concessions to all sorts of naughty guys ...

        Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker. Emperor of the Russian state - Peter I (Peter knew how to drink!)
        1. -1
          29 September 2021 23: 27
          Quote: 30 vis
          Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker. Emperor of the Russian state - Peter I

          About his "pop-eyed" did not mention. Well done. Peter.
    4. +1
      29 September 2021 18: 42
      Quote: Andobor
      last year the Syrians squeezed the floor of Idlib, they will now squeeze the rest

      Very likely. Read in "body language", VVP is relaxed and positive, Erdogan is tense and unsure of his position. He needs to save face and at the same time prevent BIG losses of his servicemen. Erdogan's elections are approaching. And the ratings are not encouraging ...
      1. -2
        29 September 2021 20: 34
        Mountain shooter, who's minus you ?! Quite sensibly stated. Probably someone with a forelock?)
        1. 0
          29 September 2021 21: 56
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Mountain shooter, who's minus you ?! Quite sensibly stated. Probably someone with a forelock?)

          Obviously. But this is great! As a quality mark ... laughing
        2. -1
          29 September 2021 21: 57
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Mountain shooter, who's minus you ?! Quite sensibly stated. Probably someone with a forelock?)

          Anti-Russian bot farms at VO work powerfully, mostly of course Ukrainian, they know the language and are very cheap.
  2. +4
    29 September 2021 17: 41
    Nus, Mr. Peak and Company, and where are the messages you predicted that our leadership will demand a ban on the use of "bayraktar" over Donbass?
    They don't even mention Crimea, let alone Donetsk.
    1. -4
      29 September 2021 17: 48
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Nus, Mr. Peak and Company, and where are the messages you predicted that our leadership will demand a ban on the use of "bayraktar" over Donbass?
      They don't even mention Crimea, let alone Donetsk.


      You, the Leader, are Turkish citizens, and you sat between Erdoganoi and Putin as an interpreter, which is so confident, "competently"discussing the topic - What was really discussed in detail during the negotiations ? ...

      It seems, Pan-Leader, you are so far from the art of diplomacy, and even more so from its closed part that it is useless for you to explain anything Yes .

      In view of the elementary hopelessness and non-obviousness of the result ...
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      2. 0
        29 September 2021 20: 36
        Pik, eka you twisted, in the end!) Remember how in ,, after two hares ,, - ,, Reasonable, already scary! ,,)
        1. -2
          29 September 2021 23: 30
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          Reasonable, already scary! ,,)

          So to him it is "not white or black ... - pockmarked!"
    2. for
      +1
      29 September 2021 17: 51
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      will demand a ban on the use of "bayraktars" over the Donbass?

      Sands banned.
      https://topwar.ru/187585-peskov-rossija-vystupaet-protiv-ispolzovanija-tureckogo-vooruzhenija-na-donbasse.html
    3. +1
      29 September 2021 17: 51
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Nus, Mr. Peak and Company, and where are the messages you predicted that our leadership will demand a ban on the use of "bayraktar" over Donbass?
      They don't even mention Crimea, let alone Donetsk.

      Not even funny. Do you really think that such questions will be brought up to the public? Then your situation is even worse than it seemed fool
      If there are already secret parts of agreements, then secret parts of agreements and even more so
      1. -4
        29 September 2021 18: 04
        Quote: Mitroha
        Do you really think that such questions will be brought up to the public? Then your situation is even worse than it seemed

        There, three times so many - fool Yes

        And the "minuses" are where the Leader roams ...
        1. +3
          29 September 2021 19: 15
          Eck you from a sore head to a healthy one. When is the last time we are with you debated and you wrote that I would not frighten you with my shobla, then by a strange coincidence, I lost almost 10 rating ...
          But who shouts loudest "stop the thief" ... has long been known ...
      2. 0
        29 September 2021 20: 40
        It seems to me that VVP, with his inherent humor, asked Erdogan- “Choose, nerus- or Bayraktary- over Donbass and Tupolevs — over your soldiers, or calmly dump and smile sweetly,”
        1. +4
          29 September 2021 23: 31
          "It seems to me that VVP with its inherent humor asked Erdogan" ////
          ----
          It was Erdogan, with his inherent lack of humor, who drew his line.

          On the same day, when Erdogan and Putin were negotiating:

          "The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine signed a memorandum with the Turkish Bayraktar on the construction of a joint center for the maintenance and modernization of unmanned aerial vehicles near Kiev."
          1. +2
            29 September 2021 23: 37
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine signed a memorandum with the Turkish Bayraktar on the construction of a joint center for the maintenance and modernization of unmanned aerial vehicles near Kiev."


            In addition, a new agreement was signed between the Ukrainian Motor Sich and the Turkish Baykar Makina on the supply of aircraft engines for the heavy attack UAV Akinci and for the future UAV MIUS (jet). The details of the agreement were not disclosed.
            1. +4
              29 September 2021 23: 42
              Erdogan is a resolute and dangerous statesman,
              and does not understand jokes and gags in negotiations.
              1. -2
                29 September 2021 23: 57
                Erdogan is a resolute and dangerous statesman,
                and does not understand jokes and gags in negotiations.

                We are not talking about Burbot so ...

              2. -1
                30 September 2021 07: 14
                I agree with you. But I think that our GDP is no joke in such situations.
    4. -1
      29 September 2021 17: 57
      In the "News" branch there is even a publication on this topic.
      Peskov: Russia opposes the use of Turkish weapons in Donbass
  3. +5
    29 September 2021 17: 48
    Muddy ,, partner ,, this Erdogan!
  4. +3
    29 September 2021 18: 04
    One thing is for sure, Turkish tomatoes will not disappear from the shelves. laughing
    1. 0
      29 September 2021 18: 26
      And it depends on the behavior of the Turks. wassat
    2. +2
      29 September 2021 23: 39
      One thing is for sure, Turkish tomatoes will not disappear from the shelves.




      The deep meaning of the Turkish tomato.
  5. -8
    29 September 2021 18: 24
    Recall that at the UN, Erdogan said that Ankara does not recognize the elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation on the Crimean territory.
    We remind Erdogan that the elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation, which were held with massive stuffing and falsification, not recognized by the citizens of the Russian Federation, did not prevent these elections from being recognized and held.
    The Kremlin did not care what Erdogan thinks and says.
    And it is clear and understandable that this will continue to be so.
    1. KAV
      +3
      29 September 2021 19: 35
      Quote: demo
      We remind Erdogan that the elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation, which were held with massive stuffing and falsification, not recognized by the citizens of the Russian Federation, did not prevent these elections from being recognized and held.
      And you, please, do not speak for all citizens of the Russian Federation. OK? Otherwise, it was not enough, I would tear my navel, bear such responsibility on my shoulders ...
      In addition, since you are already talking about massive stuffing and falsification, then please be so kind, proof to the studio!
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  6. +2
    29 September 2021 18: 25
    They let the fog go, but it was not clear what was actually discussed. But the fact that Erdogan rode very quickly along with his scout, and against the background of Idlib's swotting, it seems to me, it was about reducing the territory occupied by the Turks in northern Syria.
    1. +3
      29 September 2021 22: 34
      I support. In my opinion, Syria is the most pressing issue now, the rest is just tinsel around it.
  7. +3
    29 September 2021 18: 29
    Everything is fine, there is a consensus, constructive ways. We need to deepen and expand and, in general, we often quarreled, but we always understood each other. ))) We don't need to kiss, we don't need to flirt with each other, we need to - seriously on a human and political level - we need to work together and be partners. The main thing is not to link these issues so perpendicularly. )))
    1. +1
      29 September 2021 23: 40
      Quote: pomor23
      Everything is fine, there is a consensus, constructive ways. We need to deepen and expand and, in general, we

      Are you a combine operator by any chance?
      1. +1
        30 September 2021 04: 52
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        Are you a combine operator by any chance?

        Do you wanna be the forefront of this square nest wink
  8. -1
    29 September 2021 18: 53
    The parties have a lot of dissatisfaction with each other.
    This means that discontent will grow.
  9. 0
    29 September 2021 19: 07
    That's what it means, mmm ... spit the dew in the eyes.
  10. 0
    29 September 2021 19: 18
    According to unofficial data
    yes even official! Let's see what will be done and how.
    BUSINESS, NOT TALK!
  11. +3
    29 September 2021 19: 21
    Here the result is this: if the Turks get out of Syria, the negotiations are successful, if not, they are failed. If translated from the diplomatic language, it turns out that Turkey has occupied part of Syria, attacks our military through its special detachments, gets annoyed when its militants are responded to and is not going to leave. On the eve of the Syrian offensive, Erdogan came for a promise not to touch the Turks. If it burns out for him - then his victory, if not - ours. And trade relations are the threads for which Erdogan pulls, and ours are already very greedy for winning deals, especially since all these projects are surely "the right one".
    1. +2
      29 September 2021 20: 01
      Quote: A resident of the Urals
      Here the result is this: if the Turks get out of Syria, the negotiations are successful, if not, they are failed. If translated from the diplomatic language, it turns out that Turkey has occupied part of Syria, attacks our military through its special detachments, gets annoyed when its militants are responded to and is not going to leave. On the eve of the Syrian offensive, Erdogan came for a promise not to touch the Turks. If it burns out for him - then his victory, if not - ours. And trade relations are the threads for which Erdogan pulls, and ours are already very greedy for winning deals, especially since all these projects are surely "the right one".


      In 6 months, Turkey has significantly increased the number of its armed forces in Idlib, including equipment and heavy weapons.
      Accordingly, the pro-Turkish terrorists were also trained and armed. In the most recent time, something else has been deployed on trailers. Since they are not preparing to leave the territory.

      It is unlikely that the Turks will agree to leave Idlib, at least now. And the SAR is better to digest the territory of Idlib piece by piece. For the SAR, it would be optimal to take some areas of Idlib and a road with adjacent settlements to the border with Turkey and take control of the border in this area. This would make it possible to cut the occupied north into two sections. Get access to Turkey.
      The UN prefers to send humanitarian aid through Turkish territory.
      And since there is no road to Damascus, everything settles for the militants. And since Damascus can demand to send humanitarian aid through this corridor, as it should be, the UN should provide humanitarian assistance through the official authorities and not to terrorists, militants and insurgents.
      Whether the result will be unknown, but earlier there was an excuse that the humanitarian aid was being taken wherever they could. And what was there under the guise of noise. no help known.

      If there is a corridor, you can offer to take refugees from Turkey back to Syria. Accordingly, under the full control of Damascus, with registration, identification and issuance of documents.
  12. +2
    29 September 2021 19: 24
    The mentality however. They trade like in the market. So it is better to trade with a Turk than to fight. But he needs to show his strength - so that he does not rock the boat and knows his place
    1. +4
      29 September 2021 20: 42
      Only Ushakov and Suvorov knew how to talk to the Turks. Not bargaining, especially.
      1. +2
        29 September 2021 23: 45
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Only Ushakov and Suvorov knew how to talk to the Turks.





        With noneshnemi heroes, do not compare.
  13. +3
    29 September 2021 19: 27
    Well, we talked about Syria, but all the same, as they were enemies, they remained, as the Turk crap stealthily, and will continue. And when we finish building a nuclear power plant for free, it will be cut short.
  14. +1
    29 September 2021 19: 46
    Rozhin reported that it is likely that the non-fulfillment of the TR obligations on the M-4 and around it will be thoroughly discussed. The withdrawal of Turkish forces from southern Idlib is now being reported. And also a day of silence for the RF Aerospace Forces, so it looks like a certain better understanding has crystallized.
  15. -1
    29 September 2021 19: 58
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    Here the result is this: if the Turks get out of Syria, the negotiations are successful, if not, they are failed. If translated from the diplomatic language, it turns out that Turkey has occupied part of Syria, attacks our military through its special detachments, gets annoyed when its militants are responded to and is not going to leave. On the eve of the Syrian offensive, Erdogan came for a promise not to touch the Turks. If it burns out for him - then his victory, if not - ours. And trade relations are the threads for which Erdogan pulls, and ours are already very greedy for winning deals, especially since all these projects are surely "the right one".

    It is possible, but unlikely, that Turkey will just leave Syria. The reason should be more than weighty, and such is not visible in reality. As for our relations with Turkey, the balance of pluses and minuses is not in our favor (if you look soberly) ...
    1. 0
      29 September 2021 21: 00
      Quote: p0pulivox

      ... it is unlikely that Turkey will just leave Syria like that. The reason should be more than weighty, and such is not visible in reality. As for our relationship with Turkey, the balance of pluses and minuses is not in our favor (if you look soberly) ...


      It may not be about the complete withdrawal of the Turks from Idlib, but about the release of some key routes. Damascus is probably also not ready to take control of the entire Idlib right away if the Turks suddenly left Idlib within a month.

      And about the levers and who has them thicker ..

      Erdogan has elections on his nose and not everything is so rosy. This is what he has personally.

      And Turkey, too, is not doing well against the backdrop of the global crisis, the Turkish one is also superimposed.
      The other day France and Greece agreed to be on friendly terms against the Turks. Turkey, of course, is a mega great Turan, but it hurts a lot of fronts to form, and the navel can be untied. The number of fronts must be reduced. The fact that France and Greece "sniffed" for Turkey is bad not only militarily, but may have consequences in the economy, sanctions from the EU.

      Most likely, the Turks acted as a proxy for the British in some areas. And now the Britons have switched to China, and the EU will perceive the British mongrels as enemies. In short, the Turks need to decide with whom to be friends and do business for a fairly long time. Making enemies out of the blue is not right now.
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    1. 0
      29 September 2021 21: 26
      Quote: 123456789

      The first STATEMENTS of Putin and Erdogan from the meeting in Sochi!


      This is what it was before the meeting.

      Here is a joint statement on the results of the meeting to watch or a press conference with answers to questions.
      So it is known that they talked about something
      2 hours 45 minutes.
      But at the end of the meeting, nothing is known, only that the issues were discussed.
  17. -4
    29 September 2021 20: 59
    Crimea then recognizes conversations and concessions. And so only the conditions and requirements. Soft.
    1. +3
      29 September 2021 21: 40
      Quote: pexotinec
      Crimea then recognizes conversations and concessions. And so only the conditions and requirements. Soft.


      There are current pressing issues, and there are those that do not affect the situation. Crimea doesn't care what Erdogan says there, what he does or does not recognize. Ships from Sevastopol go through the Bosphorus, don't the Turks slow them down?

      Japan, too, does not recognize the Kuriles and regularly puts forward protests. Nobody issues an ultimatum to Yapam.

      On the contrary, the fact that the Turks and the Japanese are doing business and diplomatic work speaks of the bankruptcy of their unrecognized women.

      Similarly, the United States did not recognize the GDR and the Baltic States, the USSR was doing quite well with the United States.

      The Turks also have grievances towards us, for the fact that Russia recognized the Armenian genocide.

      Politics is a dirty business ...
    2. -3
      29 September 2021 22: 11
      If, for example, Erdogan now holds a referendum in Idlib, then I doubt that less than 100% will be for joining Turkey. the free expression of people living in Idlib is easily predictable.
      I think he is blackmailing Putin like this.
  18. +1
    29 September 2021 21: 27
    Meanwhile, Bayraktar Savunma and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, in the presence of President Zelensky, signed a memorandum on the construction of a training and testing center for maintenance, training, modernization and continuous repair of UAVs near Bila Tserkva.
  19. -1
    29 September 2021 22: 13
    Tomorrow there will be pendels. The cleanup of the Idlib region will begin with polite pendels, the Turkomans will begin to clean the dust of the Idlib roads from their feet. The Turkish regular troops will leave first. Then perfume, which is smarter. Well, those who are stupid will be to blame for everything. A curtain.
    1. +1
      29 September 2021 23: 07
      Quote: Borisych
      Tomorrow there will be pendels. The cleanup of the Idlib region will begin with polite pendels, the Turkomans will begin to clean the dust of the Idlib roads from their feet. The Turkish regular troops will leave first. Then perfume, which is smarter. Well, those who are stupid will be to blame for everything. A curtain.


      There is already an article on aviation that the Turks right after the end of the meeting between Putin and Erdogan began to partially withdraw troops and equipment from Idlib.
      But we must wait for information from a less yellow resource ...
  20. -2
    30 September 2021 06: 15
    The first STATEMENTS of Putin and Erdogan from the meeting in Sochi!

    Yesterday, when this video was played in the news, the impression was that the Servant is accountable to the Sultan (the first 3 minutes) Putin obsequiously listed his successes in cooperation with Turkey (diligently swinging his legs), and the Sultan with a stone face listened to his "report". It is a shame to look at such "negotiations".
  21. 0
    30 September 2021 18: 54
    Quote: Andobor
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    Mountain shooter, who's minus you ?! Quite sensibly stated. Probably someone with a forelock?)

    Anti-Russian bot farms at VO work powerfully, mostly of course Ukrainian, they know the language and are very cheap.

    Of course, anti-Russian propaganda works, but local cheers-patriotic bot farms are much more noticeable and also not very expensive!
  22. 0
    30 September 2021 20: 02
    Both executives are very similar.
    - try to conduct an independent foreign policy
    - develop weapons
    - exhort neighbors with "stick" or "carrot"
    - to use import substitution due to sanctions.
    With this question - the differences are cardinal.
  23. 0
    1 October 2021 16: 43
    Putin and Erdogan know that they talked about it, or they haven't been told about it yet. It does not happen that the negotiators are not aware of what they were talking about, they do not keep up with the media.

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