The Russian Navy will receive a series of new amphibious assault ships on an air cushion

The Navy will receive new amphibious air cushion ships. The decision to build a series of DKVP was made by the Ministry of Defense.

The Russian military department decided to equip the Navy with new amphibious air-cushion ships. True, this is not about the resumption of the construction of Project 12322 Zubr landing craft and Project 12061 Murena landing craft. As they write "News" with reference to military sources, a new project of the DKVP will be developed.

According to the newspaper, several technical projects of landing boats are currently being worked out. According to preliminary data, a series of DKVP with a carrying capacity of 60-70 tons will be built. There is no other information at the moment.

For our part, we note that back in 2018, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov announced the need to build a series of air-cushion landing ships for the Russian fleet... According to him, the construction of "several dozen" DKVP was included in the weapons program until 2027.

Meanwhile, the Russian defense industry has already developed a replacement for the Ukrainian gas turbine engines that were installed on the Zubr and Murena air-cushion landing ships. The work was carried out for three years on the basis of the M70FRU GTE. During this time, it was possible to develop new modifications of the engine and units, which makes it possible to completely replace the Ukrainian power plants with DKVP, including reversible engines.

At present, the Russian Navy has two Project 12322 Zubr MDKVPs - Mordovia and Evgeny Kocheshkov, which are part of the Baltic Fleet; there are no Project 12061 Murena landing boats in the Navy.

Comments

[Bat]

This is a very necessary apparatus. It is high time. How many tasks can you solve with this ship?

[max702]

One question for what? Is that specific? What is the task for these ships? Or to be? The point is to land something today on an unequipped coast when the landing site can be covered by MLRS, aviation, artillery and many others .. Moreover, the radius of destruction of these weapons is from several kilometers to several thousand of the same km .. what purpose can justify the creation of these ships?

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

MLRS, aviation, artillery and many others

Are these all of them only the enemy has?

[max702]

If we needed to land troops on an unprepared shore (otherwise these ships are not needed), and not in an equipped port, then this means that all of the above is not enough for us, and now again the question is, what kind of enemy is this on planet Earth?

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

If we needed to land troops on an unprepared shore (otherwise these ships are not needed), and not in an equipped port, then this means that we did not have enough of all of the above.

What immediately suggests itself ... the island of Bornholm, in which port will we land? Sõrve Peninsula ... the same question?

Quote: max702

what kind of enemy is this on planet Earth?

We ourselves! Tougher than us ... for us, there is no enemy!

[max702]

What have we forgotten on these islands that the Marine Corps was needed there? What's so valuable there? Can gouge everything and everyone with aircraft missiles?

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

What's so valuable there?

The whole value of these sites is in the control of the territory! And this territory is an Achilles' heel for some NATO countries!

Quote: max702

Can gouge everything and everyone with aircraft missiles?

Enemy KUGs and convoys passing by these places than going to hammer?

[max702]

What are KUG convoys in the 21st century? Destroyed in such conflicts will not be those who the king has a lot, but the kings themselves .. That is, decision-making centers .. Therefore, such funds are not needed .. the war with NATO will end either within an hour or we will be defeated in any state of our fleet, regardless from the presence of hovercraft, that's all nonsense .. It's better to spend money on the same modern nightlights for the infantry, so they won't save lives ..

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

Destroyed in such conflicts will not be those who have a lot of the king, but the kings themselves .. That is, the decision-making centers.

Well, yes, well, yes ... The Soviet army was preparing to throw itself on the Channel, but Afghanistan happened!

Quote: max702

the war with NATO will end either within an hour or we will be defeated in any condition of our fleet, regardless of the presence of hovercraft, this is all nonsense

Brad, this is hope for nuclear weapons! The use of this weapon puts an end to the history of our planet and therefore the beginning of hostilities will begin according to the old scheme infantry, tanks, aircraft, ships ... including on an air cushion!

Quote: max702

What are KUG convoys in the 21st century?

To the storage places of military equipment ... well, in order to deploy full-fledged combat formations ... you need to bring someone from behind a puddle ... has it occurred to you? Shoot at the factories of Ulyanovsk, Kazan, Nizhny, Rybinsk with a cruise racket .. no?

[max702]

What convoys and stuff? Are imbitsils in the general staffs? Will they wait like Hussein when the vorog will gain strength for six months and smear it with a thin layer? As soon as a really serious movement begins, everything starts and goes, and all sorts of maneuvers like the same Afghan or Syria do not really sway anyone .. I wonder when something will be lucky because of a puddle, how will hovercraft prevent this? We like to land a troop on the island and from there will sink the Convoys? In the yard of 21st century, when maintaining full-fledged databases between the state government and us, it will not come to this, in principle, and if something won’t be carried in peacetime, how can we prevent this? And we find out in war, these ships will not help, and even more so in peace .. And what is it for? And about nuclear weapons, our president said, why do we want peace if Russia is not in it? And I agree with him .. As soon as our "partners" understand this truth, it will become easier for everyone.

[Flank]

Your lies, just now, unlike during the Cold War, decision-making centers will not be destroyed. We will, as in Syria, fight NATO with conventional weapons.

[Barberry25]

why have tanks if you have anti-tank systems? and why have ships if you have anti-ship missiles? or planes if you have air-cushion systems?

[max702]

Tanks, ATGMs, aviation have been used every day for the hell of a lot of years, and when was the last landing on an unequipped shore? Why do we need these expensive Wishlist of naval warriors with Schaub Bulo argumentation?

[Barberry25]

yes ... why do we need a fleet with a full range of capabilities ... it's game

[max702]

You are not talking about the fleet, but about landing craft on an air cushion, but you, as always, do not see a sight here?

[Barberry25]

Is it not the task of the Navy to amphibious assault? Or other countries of the DKVP can have, but Russia is not?

[DMi]

You can think of as many "opportunities" and wishes as you like. The question is expediency. Paratroopers, even sea ones, even air ones since the Second World War, were not used for their intended purpose. And you have a lot of money in them, and this process continues. IMHO, expensive and meaningless toys.
I cannot imagine any successful landing from the sea on the territory of Western Europe, the USA or any Asian country. To some third world country or to the Sumerians, maybe, but the question WHY?

[Barberry25]

well, if you can't, then it's like your problem and not the Ministry of Defense .. Under this brand, you can refuse the fleet too .. maybe how many years there were no military operations

[DMi]

The fleet daily solves the tasks for which it was created. How effective is another question. But various "paratroopers" are used as a simple motorized infantry, in fact. But ambition and status are immeasurable. And budget claims. You can also imagine the demand for airmobile units, if the Russian capital decided to play in the colonization of Africa, then they will find work there. But the amphibious assault ... it's a rudiment from a long time ago. Even those landings from the sea that were in the 20th century, if they did happen, were carried out by the forces of ordinary infantrymen, in fact, and the most simple floating craft. And now even more so. What will this conditional battalion do, which will be landed in conditional Poland? To die heroically?

[Barberry25]

I will reveal a terrible secret-any soldier with a machine gun, when he enters the battle, whether he is a paratrooper, a marine or a cool special forces soldier, turns into an ordinary motorized rifle ... an advantage to our enemies ... So keep quiet about the rudiment ... but you look stupid ..

[DMi]

A spetsnaz soldier cannot be an ordinary motorized rifleman and vice versa. The preparation, you know, is different. So what about the stupid kind it is to the mirror.

[Barberry25]

as much as he can .. therefore, if they gave the landing troops and the marines, tanks, to work out the interaction .. and the special forces, if the order is, will work together with the tanks, for war is such a thing that the rules change ... so do not write nonsense and do not kick on the mirror)

[DMi]

Apparently it is necessary to chew. A spetsnaz will not be a motorized rifleman, even if he is given the tasks of a motorized rifleman. For PREPARATION is different. And further by analogy.
It is absurd to maintain and provide special equipment for a branch of the armed forces that have never fought for their intended purpose, and most likely will never fight for this "invented" purpose. It is easier to make ordinary brigades and divisions of ordinary motorized riflemen. And to rivet hovercraft ... only if for the sake of employment of factories and sawing money. For the solution of military tasks - nonsense.

[Barberry25]

the nonsense that you wrote, I will not even comment

[DMi]

Practice, the criterion of truth. All this "landing" in practice is no different from the usual motorized infantry. But at the same time they are the favorite toy of the generals and everyone is waiting for their finest hour. Maybe someday, they really will jump out somewhere and seize a bridgehead)) but so far the opportunity has not presented itself)

[Barberry25]

can I find out your military rank? and who do you work for?

[DMi]

I do not have any military ranks, and never have.

[Barberry25]

ooo ... that is. they did not serve in the army, but "the generals are stupid, I know better from the couch."

[DMi]

Where did I write "generals are stupid"? Generals decide their questions, generals. For example careers, positions and kickbacks. Maybe they even do it cleverly. In most cases, this has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the army. And this is also shown by practice. And the practice is not only of the Russian army.

[Barberry25]

those. your work is also continuous kickbacks instead of work? ah ah ah

[DMi]

It’s my job that taught me how everything really works in big orders, and in big questions)) and to understand the motivation of people who promote these “big” questions.

[Barberry25]

those. does anyone from the street know your job better than you? so-so you are a specialist)

[DMi]

Demagoguery as it is ...

[Barberry25]

that's just your words are demagoguery ... when you don't belong to the army, you didn't serve in the army, but smarter than admirals)

[DMi]

I have arguments on the topic. And you have empty rumors and a transition to personalities. If, of course, you are able to understand the difference.

[Barberry25]

"arguments" are when you understand the topic, and when you have no sleep or spirit in the topic, this is demagoguery .. here you have, naked demagoguery .. you know better what the landing, marines and special forces have to do and need ... I don’t see sense with the expert from the couch to continue to argue ...

[DMi]

"You don't have to be a chef to appreciate the taste of a dish" - Reflect at your leisure.

[Barberry25]

but you definitely need to be a chef if you want to teach other chefs ... do not reflect, but think with your head)

[max702]

[/ quote] [quote = DMi] I don't have any military ranks, and never have.

Well, probably a private stock in wartime in your military ID is written down. So you have quite a title.

[DMi]

May be. Did not watch.

[max702]

So it even came to the Ministry of Defense when they gave the Airborne Forces and the MP tanks, advocate for helicopters, practice ground troop throws and reduce the role of parachute units and their preparation for a waste of resources ..

[Barberry25]

and the Ministry of Defense is aware that they "reduce the role of parachute units"? or else they here, on the contrary, are working out the possibility of transferring amphibious units, including with a massive drop of parachute equipment

[max702]

The number of exercises for practicing actions as a motorized rifle increased by an order of magnitude, and something tells me that the effectiveness and usefulness of these undertakings for the Airborne Forces and the MP is much higher than the next ostentatious landing from planes and steamships ..

[Barberry25]

well, because there are more motorized riflemen ... by the way, about "ostentatiousness" .. then the teachings of motorized riflemen are window dressing ..

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

and when was the last landing on the unequipped shore?

In 1992, to the Sukhumi beach ...

[max702]

Was there any point in this? What did the entot landing give useful? You see, there would be no possibility thereof and history would have gone completely differently?

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

What did the entot landing give useful?

Left Eduard Amvrosievich on the throne, he was much preferable to Zviad Konstantinovich, which in turn had a positive effect on the fate of the Russian 58th Army!

[max702]

Far from being a fact .. Other tools could be much more effective. A leg can be sawed off with a surgical saw, or with an ax, and better think for yourself.

[Serg65]

Quote: max702

Other tools could be much more effective

That landing in terms of price + quality was the most effective!

Quote: max702

The leg can be sawed off with a surgical saw, or with an ax

You are evil, my friend! This is not our method!

[max702]

As a result of that landing, we received two Chechens, 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, and the conflict in Donbass .. Look closely at the causes and consequences ..

[max702]

Well, if we really face the truth, then there was no landing there, but a special evacuation operation and nothing more, and it was miraculously successful. to another? Naturally! But as always, the management did not have enough eggs;

[boris epstein]

"Hovercraft are great because they allow you to quickly land marines and knock them down."
The cat abandoned the kittens, let them fight as they want.
The landing party needs to be supported by fire, to deliver water, food, ammunition to it, to expand the bridgehead, heavy military equipment (the same tanks, BMP, BMPT, armored personnel carriers, fuel, artillery, air defense systems) ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Yarasa

This is a very necessary apparatus. It is high time. How many tasks can you solve with this ship?

This is just another chatter! Same as Project 949 upgrade.

[Flooding]

It is not entirely clear why the Zubrs are part of the Baltic Fleet.
If, God forbid, hostilities begin in the Baltic, then exclusively by ground forces, air and missile strikes.

[Egoza]

Quote: Flood

If, God forbid, hostilities begin in the Baltic, then exclusively by ground forces, air and missile strikes.

Well, maybe it will be necessary to land on the Tribalt beaches. )))

[Flooding]

Quote: Egoza

Well, maybe it will be necessary to land on the Tribalt beaches. )))

why? there is a depth of three to four hours

[PROXOR]

Provided that the enemy does not have sane anti-corrosive defense, the ZUBR is excellent to land black berets in the rear of the enemy, which can subsequently strike at the enemy's communications and command lines. A 300-mile range is not a hell of a lot. They are in the Baltic so that the Baltic sprats would think.

[Flooding]

Quote: PROXOR

Provided that the enemy does not have sane anti-corrosive defense

Well, for sure.
naval aviation and NATO ships will sleep
write right away: provided that NATO countries do not have forces and means in the Baltic

Quote: PROXOR

hit the communications and and command points of the enemy

like in the movie "Special Spotlight"?
in reality, this is achieved by missile and air strikes
control over the territory of all the Baltic states - a matter of a few days
without any landing behind enemy lines

[PROXOR]

Quote: Flood

Well, for sure.
naval aviation and NATO ships will sleep
write right away: provided that NATO countries do not have forces and means in the Baltic

Well, our ships and naval aviation will wait like a gentleman?

Quote: Flood

like in the movie "Special Spotlight"?
in reality, this is achieved by missile and air strikes
control over the territory of all the Baltic states - a matter of a few days
without any landing behind enemy lines

Well, well, well, well. How are you with one rocket comungication? And they are also straightforward that our intelligence will immediately open all the headquarters and bunkers. Maybe it's enough nonsense to write?

[Flooding]

Quote: PROXOR

Well, our ships and naval aviation will wait like a gentleman?

there is no parity of forces in the Baltic, alas
this time
in a more vulnerable position, the side that lands the troops
these are two

Quote: PROXOR

How are you with one rocket comunication? And they are also straightforward that our intelligence will immediately open all the headquarters and bunkers.

Do you think that our military does not have detailed data on the location of the Baltic Armed Forces units? not a big task

Quote: PROXOR

Maybe it's enough nonsense to write?

listen, unknown military expert, you see yourself within the limits of what is permissible.
hint understood?

[PROXOR]

Quote: Flood

there is no parity of forces in the Baltic, alas
this time, in a sickly vulnerable position, the side that lands the troops this two

Oh how. The rest of the countries rushed straight to save the Balts. RZHUNIMAGU. The same Englishmen, Frenchmen and others will not give up their forces outright. SF is also a problem for them. The second problem is the submarines of the Baltic Fleet at Varshavyanka. Thirdly, a massive blow to everything that the Iskander and Calibers can reach. The Balts are meat that will be stupidly thrown away.

Quote: Flood

Do you think that our military does not have detailed data on the location of the Baltic Armed Forces units? not a big task

Well, yes .... And the Balts honestly wait, do not renew their headquarters and locations.

Quote: Flood

listen, unknown military expert, you see yourself within the limits of what is permissible.
hint understood?

Learn to write in Russian: enter. And second: Not a military expert, but even I can see the obvious things that are blind to you.

[Flooding]

Quote: PROXOR

Learn to write in Russian: go

the phone has such a function as autocorrect or autocomplete
Should you teach me to write in RUSSIAN?

Quote: PROXOR

even I can see the obvious things that are blind to you

one more note to your level of language proficiency

Quote: PROXOR

RJUNIMAGU

further it was possible not to continue

[PROXOR]

Generally speaking, there is NOTHING to say. You are free.

[Flooding]

Quote: PROXOR

Generally speaking, there is NOTHING to say. You are free.

i am sure you read all my comments above
and they were essentially
if you didn’t read them, who and what did you argue with?

and isn't the level of your Russian language proficiency an important question for you?

[Serg65]

Quote: Flood

there is no parity of forces in the Baltic, alas

Parity can be achieved by closing the straits!

Quote: Flood

not a big task

Maybe.

[Serg65]

Quote: Flood

there is a depth of three to four hours

Just a theme for the Bison!

[alex neym_2]

But what about the KChF? "Answer move" was filmed in the Crimea (I can see it from Fiolent), and there a handsome man comes ashore! (just not on the cape). By the way, the plant in Feodosia, if I'm not mistaken, where these DKVPs were produced: haven't you already ordered to "live long"?

[PROXOR]

No. He is alive and well. Another problem is that the ZUBR is too big for the future for special landing ships. I do not mean UDC, but what type of US floating naval base.

[alex neym_2]

The picture shows absolutely different types of ships: these are not even close to pulling DKPV ...

[PROXOR]

Everything is correct. This is an equipment transport moored to a floating self-propelled dock. It is from them that the Americans use their hovercraft. UDC will not be able to take our hovercraft if it is not compact like LCAC. Alas.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: aleks neym_2

The picture shows absolutely different types of ships: these are not even close to pulling DKPV ...

The ship in the picture is the most important element of the landing. It is a carrier of the DCVP and a mobile port that allows the reloading of equipment and supplies from Conventional ships (not amphibious) on the DKVP and helicopters for subsequent landing on unequipped Coast.
In fact, this ship, if not removing, then weakening the need to seize an equipped harbor for unloading the second echelon (the notorious "base ships" of the ILC and ships of the Marine Transportation Command) and landing supply ships.

[URAL72]

You can't foresee everything in a war. A sudden landing in the rear may be necessary - in Korea it was the American landing force that thwarted the plans of the entire operation of the DPRK. And there are islands there, - Saaremaa, for example, but who knows, maybe Aland islands will be needed ...

[Flooding]

Quote: URAL72

You can't foresee everything in a war. May need a sudden landing in the rear

two dkvp? two battalions?
in the face of overwhelming enemy superiority at sea?
well, maybe just in case

[URAL72]

It makes no sense to develop a project for two ships, there will be more of them. In addition, you need to load a profile plant in Feodosia. They will go to all fleets, but God himself ordered the Pacific Fleet. There will be few hundreds. And it is better in the Baltic, small and fast DKVP than slow and large BDK. The Marines know better what they need in the Baltic.

[Flooding]

Quote: URAL72

at the Pacific Fleet God himself commanded

there they belong
and these two Bison should be there now

[URAL72]

We have not yet taken into account the fact that the DKVP can easily move on the ice, and we have few non-freezing ports. In winter, a conventional DKA may be useless.

[SKVichyakow]

"It is not entirely clear why the Zubrs are part of the Baltic Fleet?" They have been there since the times of the USSR.

[Flooding]

Quote: SKVichyakow

They have been there since the times of the USSR.

there is no longer the Warsaw bloc, nor the Soviet Navy

[SKVichyakow]

"Bison" survived everyone.

[Flooding]

Quote: SKVichyakow

"Bison" survived everyone.

you can’t argue

[cat Rusich]

Quote: SKVichyakow

"It is not entirely clear why the Zubrs are part of the Baltic Fleet?" They have been there since the times of the USSR.

And in Greece there is 4 "Bison" (delivered in 2000-04).
And in China 1 "Zubr" (made in Ukraine in the Crimea, and delivered in April 2013)

[Serg65]

Quote: Flood

God forbid, hostilities will begin in the Baltic, then exclusively by ground forces, air and missile strikes.

so exclusive? And on the coastal flanks?

[Flooding]

Quote: Serg65

so exclusive? And on the coastal flanks?

cavalry?

[Serg65]

Quote: Flood

cavalry?

also an option, but where to get Budyonny?

[Doccor18]

UDC are under construction ...
They also need at least a couple.

[nerd.su]

Most likely, a new series is being designed under the UDC.

[PROXOR]

This bandura will not be dragged into the UDC. As for me, I need ships that will be flooded for dumping ships on an air cushion.

[Doccor18]

Quote: PROXOR

UDC will not drag this bandura.

The American UDC includes three pieces ...

The SSC was developed to replace a fleet of legacy LCAC vehicles. Like its predecessor, the Ship to Shore Connector will deliver soldiers, weapon systems, various kinds of equipment and cargo to the shore from UDC: up to 75 tons in total.

Quote: PROXOR

As for me, I need ships that will be flooded for dumping ships on an air cushion.

Isn't it very difficult?

[PROXOR]

LCACs are compact, open and their engines are more powerful with smaller dimensions. It can be shoved into the UDC dock. Now find the parameters of the Murena, add 20 percent to them. Here are the dimensions of our new hovercraft and try to shove it into the dock of the same Mistral.
It seems to me that you do not completely understand what you are writing about.
I meant this:

[Doccor18]

The LCAC of the US Navy is almost identical in size with the same Murena (the first is heavier, the second is longer), and the Wasp 3 DKVD type LCAC.

Quote: PROXOR

try to shove it into the dock of the same Mistral.

Mistrals are half the size of Wasp in displacement, 60 meters shorter and 10 meters narrower, it makes sense to compare them.
Everything will depend on the parameters of the UDC under construction.

[PROXOR]

Quote: Doccor18

The LCAC of the US Navy is almost identical in size with the same Murena (the first is heavier, the second is longer), and the Wasp 3 DKVD type LCAC.

Do you throw out the height? Have you forgotten that ours have powerful propellers in the stern? And the displacement of moray eels is 35 tons more.

Quote: Doccor18

Mistrals are half the size of Wasp in displacement, 60 meters shorter and 10 meters narrower, it makes sense to compare them.
Everything will depend on the parameters of the UDC under construction.

So that's the question. We are now building two UDCs for full displacement equal to UOSPs. But the size of the aparel does not even allow Muren to be pushed. And then the new one will get more.

[Doccor18]

Quote: PROXOR

And the displacement of moray eels is 35 tons more.

Quite the opposite. LCAC full displacement 185 tons, Murena - 154 tons. Fit to width: one to one. In height, of course, Murena is higher and much higher.
Designers must consider all of these aspects.

[PROXOR]

I agree with the weight. Fucked up. Took dry weight.
You can't design exactly the height. His top point will be somewhere at the level of the UDC deck. Not an option.
I would like to, but this UDC will be the size of a normal Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

[Barberry25]

Well, in general, under the UDC there will be boats a la Serna ... And what the DKVD will do is the development of Murena under the T-90M with Armata ... just 50-55 tons of mass, and if the fuel supply will allow to increase the range at least up to 400 miles, that will be good

[nerd.su]

Quote: PROXOR

Now find the parameters of the Murena, add 20 percent to them. Here are the dimensions of our new hovercraft and try to shove it into the dock of the same Mistral.

Actually, the article says

According to the newspaper, several technical projects of landing craft are currently being worked out. According to preliminary data, a series of DKVP with a carrying capacity of 60-70 tons will be built. There is no other information at the moment

As if half the size of Murena ...

[PROXOR]

I'm afraid you confuse Murena with the Bison.

[nerd.su]

Quote: PROXOR

I'm afraid you confuse Murena with the Bison.

Yes, yes. Lately, carelessness has let me down not only at work
Okay, I'll go and drink glycine, it might help ...

[PROXOR]

Roll over 100 grams for the Russian Navy.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The advantage of hovercraft is the speed and the ability to land even through a minefield.

And Russia certainly needs such ships in all fleets.

[Cananecat]

As I understand it, the problem was only in the engines .... but the carrying capacity of 60-70 tons, this is one / two tanks, versus three for the Bison ... is it not enough?

[Doccor18]

The bison is huge, 55 meters ... They will build something like the American SSC according to the class.

[Barberry25]

Moray eels are more profitable to build ... 1 tank for 2 engines, not 2,5

[Kerensky]

The Russian Navy will receive a series of new amphibious assault ships on an air cushion

Title.

a new project of the DKVP will be developed

The bottom line.
I understand that there is no time to read the article - you need to quickly comment. But we have to read all the comments (or am I the only one?)

[Alien From]

Not alone! "Klatserov" to the fig got divorced ...

[Alien From]

I especially like it when all the comments in the profile are traversed by minus) it means they love

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Alien From

means love

Or hate, because of their Russophobia and anti-Sovietism!

[Borisych]

They will work on projects until 2025, and by 2030 they will find who will build. It will be laid in 2035. Then it turns out that they are outdated ...

[Grits]

Designers will develop it from the age of five. Then the question is - why? What's wrong with the same Bison and Moray eels? And according to them, everything has already been developed and the drawings are all there to every bolt. The whole business is to install a new engine, replace the equipment with a more modern one, if necessary, install more modern weapons. Everything. Ready to ship without any development. it's easier and cheaper than starting from scratch. But designers need to provide themselves with a salary for many years ... All this is sad. There is no government approach. but there is capitalist.

[Barberry25]

the matter is in the power plants, in fact, there are 2 engines on the Murena, and there are 5 of them on the Bison, and in the USSR, by the way, both of them did ... Now the fact is that the mass of the tank has grown from 45 tons to 50-55 tons, therefore ships need to be taken into account for them ... so the development will not be from scratch, but adaptation to new tasks

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Gritsa

Why are the same Bison and Moray eels bad? And according to them, everything has already been developed and the drawings are all there to every bolt. The whole business is to install a new engine, replace the equipment with a more modern one, if necessary, install more modern weapons. Everything. Ready to ship without any development.

Uh-huh ... only 80% of the factories that produced parts and assemblies for DKVP according to the project specification no longer exist - either a business center or a vacant lot. Even GOSTs have changed.

[Sergey39]

Interestingly, and not under the UDC, are they going to build a DKVP?

[22 dmdc]

One bright thought for VO. Bravo!

[22 dmdc]

It is already planned to build a division of modernized Kalmarov pr. 12061 in Khabar. They should start soon. They will go under the UDC.

[tatarin1972]

Yes, really why? We do not have a single large landing craft with a dock camera. This means that it remains that the MDKVP turns into ships of the near zone. And this is the Baltic, or the Black Sea.

[22 dmdc]

One "Rhino" bdk pr. 1174 "Alexander Nikolaev" has not yet been sawed.

[tatarin1972]

It has been standing for more than 20 years, it is easier to build a new one than to put it into operation.

[czes]

An apparatus completely useless for military tasks.
Clean budget sawing - like new cities in Siberia.

[anclevalico]

Well, of course new! You can't saw on the old dough. I'm wondering why they are?

[Radical]

The Russian Navy will receive a series of new amphibious assault ships on an air cushion

All those who believe in it two steps forward sha-a-gom ... marsh !!! But seriously, projecting in defense policy and construction in particular has reached new heights. Dreamers, or rather, eyewitchers, constantly offer something "unparalleled", or something similar, which is unknown when it will appear in mass production, and whether it will appear at all. Here the other day I was congratulated on my birthday by a colleague in civil (after retirement) work in a defense concern. I, in connection with a medical operation on my throat, had to quit a few years ago - the larynx was cut out, respectively, disability, etc., etc. But this is not about that, but about the fact that after the obligatory congratulatory words, he briefly described the situation in the concern, and it sounded like this (direct speech) - "... Everything is unchanged for me, I work and sit in the country, until frost.
"______" (the name of the concern) is slowly dying, bonuses are almost not paid, staff reduction by 10% before the New Year.
This is already 3 reductions in 2 years, and so everything is fine ... "This is the main object of the concern, in Moscow. Even with me, the outflow of young people (engineers) began, and old honored employees, scientists were dying - almost every month an obituary at the entrance. And no continuity. The management at all international exhibitions presented our products, which are serially produced in our country and are in demand abroad. Thus, a quite definite picture is formed that some are making efforts to finish off this concern. And this picture is practically at all enterprises and the design bureau of the military-industrial complex. And the fact that someone's "Wishlist" in relation to the production of DKVP is voiced here, they will probably remain "Wishlist".

[Archon]

Can one of the experts tell you whether he himself is capable of such dimensions to get out on land and fly, for example, over a flat field? Just wondering.