Lithium Ion Collapse and Buried Blades: The Dark Side of Clean Energy

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American way of recycling wind turbine blades.

Eternal batteries


The European-American green tech boom is at times very similar to a series of ill-considered decisions.

The mass introduction of electric vehicles, for example, was launched without the possibility of recycling their spent batteries.



It should be noted that this is not news - when at the turn of the XIX – XX centuries a car appeared in the classical sense of the word, no one cared about the fate of their used cars. More than 150 years have passed since then, but the approach has not fundamentally changed.

How to dispose of the millions of lithium-ion batteries that will be phased out in the next decade is still unclear.

Now only in the EU there are about 8 million electric cars, and by the beginning of the 2030s this number will increase 2-3 times. BMW alone plans to assemble at least 2030 million electric cars by 7.

Currently, according to the most optimistic estimates, no more than 10-15% of used batteries are recycled.

At some point, the critical mass will be reached, and this will cause a real lithium-ion collapse.

By the way, the prudent Europeans and the Japanese have already found a partial solution to this problem - to send used electric cars to Russia.

A few years ago in Europe, the conditional Nissan Leaf was bought at a car dealership with a significant "green" discount, and now it is sold abroad with a small loss of value as a result. The second bonus is that the problem of recycling a powerful battery is now not European, but Russian. So far, a little more than 6 thousand electric cars are registered in our country, but every year the fleet of cars is only increasing.

There are currently no factories in Russia responsible for the disposal of lithium-ion batteries. And even if they did exist, it is far from every region that it is possible to remove a battery weighing several tens, or even hundreds of kilograms.

How, for example, can you deliver the traction battery of the mentioned Nissan Leaf, for example, from the Krasnoyarsk Territory to a disposal site somewhere in the Urals?

It's much easier to buy another used battery and just throw away the old one. For reference - one AA size battery infects up to 20 sq. meters of land. And in Tesla Model S alone, there are about 7 thousand such batteries.


Disposing of batteries this way can cause the contents to burst into flames. Source: energovector.com

The Russian government does not predict the problem of disposing of a huge amount of batteries.

The Concept for the development of production and use of electric road transport in the Russian Federation for the period up to 2030 was recently adopted. Without going deep into the essence of the document, it is worth noting that in nine years, every tenth car produced in Russia will be electrically powered.

Even the government itself does not seem to believe in this fantastical scenario, since they have not planned programs for the further disposal of lithium-ion traction batteries. As an option for the development of events, in the near future there will still appear another project for the development of the battery recycling industry with similar prospects.

And electric cars are only part of the problem here.

Over the past couple of years, the number of individual self-propelled electric gadgets has increased 15 times. In the end, this technique will make a long life, freeing up millions of unusable batteries.

The service life of batteries from electric cars can somehow be extended by using them as stationary energy storage devices, and with batteries from scooters it is more and more difficult. In the household, there is little use from them, there is nowhere to hand them over as lead-acid batteries, so users most often simply throw them away ...

Unsustainable disposal


The problem with lithium in the composition of batteries is the high cost of recycling: it is easier for factories to purchase natural raw materials than to recycle used batteries. Therefore, technologies do not catch up with the needs of recycling.

The methods of processing existing now can in no way be called environmentally friendly.

The easiest way was to simply burn the batteries, restore some of the metals, and turn everything else into slag. By the way, lithium, aluminum, calcium and other elements remain in the slag forever. Nobody is going to get this good, and the waste is simply added to the concrete composition. No one really thinks about the fact that metals will sooner or later fall into nature. Not to mention the large volumes of toxic gases emitted during combustion, which are dangerous even after cleaning.

Toxco suggested, on the contrary, to cool the batteries down to -195 degrees Celsius with liquid nitrogen. Frozen and fragile batteries are crushed with steel millstones. The resulting mixture is separated by various separators, and lithium salts are reduced to metallic lithium using liquid reagents. The process is almost perfect, except for the huge energy costs, which largely negate all the bonuses of environmentally friendly technologies.

There is also a more primitive method of mechanical processing, which consists in simple grinding of batteries and subsequent separation of the components.

But, firstly, with such production, the likelihood of ignition of lithium-ion batteries is high. One battery that has deteriorated during the transportation process is capable of burning down a recycling workshop - it is very difficult to extinguish burning lithium.

Secondly, the productivity of such mechanical destruction factories is too low. We'll have to occupy decent territory before meeting the ever-growing demand for recycling.

Cut and bury


The second, but far from the only, problem of the widely advertised "green" transition was the blades of wind turbines.

Like any mechanical device, they tend to wear out and need to be replaced. Only now it is very difficult to attach a seven-ton, forty-meter blade. It's all about the material - a lightweight and durable composite that is almost not recyclable.

At first glance, this problem does not seem so important - it is not so often that wind turbines need to replace the blades. Of course, not often, only there are a lot of wind turbines on the planet, and in the United States alone, more than 8 thousand blades are thrown away every year. In Europe, in the next eight years, about 5,7 thousand wind turbines will be decommissioned, which is more than 17 thousand blades.

If lithium-ion batteries can at least try to be disposed of in rare recycling plants, then nothing useful at all can be done with composite structures.

The simplest thing is to cut it with diamond discs for ease of transportation and just bury it. This is done in the American states of Wyoming, South Dakota and Iowa. Dozens of square kilometers are occupied by the burial of "green" technologies. Composite does not decompose in nature for hundreds of years, does not bring much harm, but "turbine graveyards" are practically forever withdrawn from economic circulation.

The Americans, with their endless prairies, can afford to bury the remains of "electric mills", which cannot be said about cramped Europe. However, there is nothing to do, and the European Union is forced to approve of this.

So far, only Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Finland have banned windmill blades from being buried on their territory. An alternative would be the good old burning of blades, followed by the disposal of coal in concrete mixes. The toxic gas tail and the high costs of this method force us to look for new approaches.


A partial solution is the mechanical and very energy-intensive crushing of the blades, followed by the addition of the resulting product to plastics. Or, for example, extruding it and making flooring. But this process is only 40% effective - the rest has to be thrown away.

In addition, the issue of plastic filled with composites is not being resolved, which later one way or another will have to be disposed of. In search of a solution, the Danes from Vestas propose to create blades from 100% recyclable material. So far, however, there are no ready-made samples, and the serial technology can only become by 2040.

As practice shows, environmentally friendly energy sources bring with them a heap of intractable problems.

On the one hand, green technologies are indeed reducing dependence on fossil fuels.

On the other hand, the energy spent on utilization can consume a large part of the benefit.

Added to this are the risks associated with unstable windy weather that could halt thousands of wind turbines and drive up the prices of conventional fuels.

In any case, the excessively fast "green" transition does not seem so salutary for the planet as it did at the very beginning. stories its announcement.
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  2. +17
    30 September 2021 05: 22
    I think we can't do without diesel fuel for at least 100 years.
    1. +7
      30 September 2021 07: 03
      If not without environmentally aggressive diesel fuel, then certainly without gas. As a motor fuel.
    2. 0
      3 October 2021 09: 42
      As long as there is diesel fuel, we will not do without it.
  3. +35
    30 September 2021 05: 44
    By the way, the question raised by the author is very relevant. Man is such a creature that, unlike the real inhabitants of the planet, who are very decently built into the food chain, with his ambitions and ignorance (read technology) drives not only himself but also his home (read Earth) in the ass ... As a result all kinds of blah blah blah guardians turn out to be no better than the "bad guys" in terms of ecology request ...
    1. +13
      30 September 2021 07: 22
      The United States consumes resources most of all, China comes on its heels with a huge population, if China reaches the level of US consumption, then resources will run out tomorrow.
      1. +3
        30 September 2021 07: 35
        Quote: Pessimist22
        if China reaches the level of US consumption, then resources will run out tomorrow.

        China won't come out. Precisely because 5% consume 50% of the Earth's resources, the world control center is transferred from the United States to China, with a moderate consumption mentality. Free cheese for the USA is running out.
      2. +3
        1 October 2021 00: 25
        So that ozone does not disappear from the earth
        So that the world continues on
        The Chinese were summoned to the UN
        And they asked not ...
      3. +4
        1 October 2021 01: 10
        Quote: Pessimist22
        if China reaches the level of US consumption, then resources will run out tomorrow.

        And if the Chinese start eating with spoons, there will be world hunger. laughing
    2. +22
      30 September 2021 08: 17
      Greta Tumperg may already build her house out of blades - a worthy answer to all skeptics

      ............................
      1. +1
        1 October 2021 00: 28
        Quote: antivirus
        Greta Tumperg may already build her house out of blades - a worthy answer to all skeptics

        ............................

        And why not make reinforcement out of the blades for the foundations of houses, for example, private ones that do not have a large load? Also, on unstable (quicksand, swampy terrain) areas, instead of pouring dozens of KAMAZs of earth (and where hundreds, warehouses with large areas) there, you can use the blades entirely, laying them in different planes, achieving the required rigidity, treat them separately and no need, well, maybe drill holes for better adhesion with concrete.
        1. 0
          17 January 2022 10: 57
          Foundations, fences, fences, process water tanks/ fire ponds, footbridges over streams/small unsupported streams....
          Yes, you can think of an abyss of applications for blades !!
    3. 0
      30 September 2021 09: 55
      Quote: Rurikovich
      As a result, all sorts of guardians for blah blah blah turn out to be no better than the "bad guys" in terms of ecology

      For 1 gigawatt of electricity: Oil 720 tones CO2, gas 490 tones, Hydro 34 tones, Atom 3 tones, Wind, sun 4-5 tones.
      1. +5
        30 September 2021 12: 30
        Oil 720 tones CO2, gas 490 tones, Hydro 34 tones, Atom 3 tones, Wind, sun 4-5 tones.

        Could you please refer to the source?
        1. 0
          30 September 2021 14: 36
          The analysis is not from a journalist, or a politician, but from a simple trader (Dmitry Solodin):
          1. +2
            30 September 2021 17: 29
            Quote: WIKI
            The analysis is not from a journalist, or a politician, but from a simple trader (Dmitry Solodin):

            Crap, not analysis. An incomprehensible video blogger took incomprehensible numbers and makes an incomprehensible analysis. Why are oil CHP plants ranked 2nd in the global energy sector?
            1. 0
              1 October 2021 00: 27
              Quote: CheeRock
              An incomprehensible video blogger took incomprehensible numbers and makes an incomprehensible analysis.

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazard
              https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen/
              1. +3
                1 October 2021 22: 44
                Quote: WIKI
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazard

                Lazard is a consulting firm that focuses on investment banking, asset management and other financial services. “This is not a dedicated energy and resource agency like Platts, Argus or IHS.
                Quote: WIKI
                https://www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-levelized-cost-of-storage-and-levelized-cost-of-hydrogen/

                This article examines the analysis of the change in the costs of renewable energy generation and its price prospects, rather than the structure of world generation. For information - the share of oil CHPPs (Oil) in 2020 was approximately 2.8% in the world power generation, but not the second place after coal-fired CHPPs.
                1. 0
                  2 October 2021 10: 31
                  Quote: CheeRock
                  This is not a specialized agency

                  This is the same office as Sberbank CIB, which does market analysis for its clients, which is necessary for making an investment decision.
                  Quote: CheeRock
                  and not the structure of the world generation.

                  Why do you need a structure? it was originally about the amount of carbon per gigawatt.
                  1. +1
                    2 October 2021 12: 13
                    Quote: WIKI
                    This is the same office as Sberbank CIB, which does market analysis for its clients, which is necessary for making an investment decision.

                    I say - this is not an expert in resources and energy
                    Why do you need a structure? it was originally about the amount of carbon per gigawatt.

                    Initially, we are talking about a video of a certain "expert" who, in the first seconds of his video, shows a graph on which it is written literally "Oil - 21% global energy".
                    1. -1
                      2 October 2021 15: 12
                      Quote: CheeRock
                      I say - this is not an expert in resources and energy

                      They are more than energy specialists. They provide investors with recommendations based on analysis of where to invest in the long term.
                      Quote: CheeRock
                      in the first seconds of his video he shows a graph on which it is written verbatim "

                      Do not confuse energy in general and electric power. These are different concepts. Gasoline for a car is energy. By the way, not 21, but 31%.
                      1. +5
                        2 October 2021 23: 25
                        Quote: WIKI
                        Quote: CheeRock
                        I say - this is not an expert in resources and energy

                        They are more than energy specialists. They give investors recommendations based on an analysis of where to invest money in the long term.

                        I'm tired, I'm a fly buzz (c) wassat
                        Here is the news for you today: "A coal crisis is brewing in India.
                        More than half of India's 135 coal-fired power plants have less than three days' worth of fuel, according to government figures. This is significantly less than the required reserves, which should make up the volume of supplies for at least two weeks. "
                        Say why? Because Europe is now sucking in like a vacuum cleaner all the coal it can reach. On Friday, the price of CIF ARA broke through $ 234 per ton. India cannot afford this, even China cannot and it also "sausage". And Europe, when the very real prospect of being left without light and heat loomed, decided that its own skin was more expensive than carbon dioxide emissions hi
      2. 0
        30 September 2021 15: 45
        Quote: WIKI
        Wind, sun 4-5 tons.

        What are you talking about? Benefits of Green Energy?
      3. +1
        30 September 2021 16: 40
        Where do the firewood come from? In the sense of the information where this is. And at what stages is CO2 release? And what about the rest of the gases, what can you tell?
      4. +2
        30 September 2021 23: 19
        How much GW will be required for production and disposal after using the equipment, and, accordingly, emissions into the atmosphere?
      5. 0
        1 October 2021 01: 12
        Quote: WIKI
        Wind, sun 4-5 tons

        How were they weighed? request
      6. 0
        30 October 2021 11: 44
        Wind. the sun is 4-5 tons, plus more than 1500 tons for manufacturing, and taking into account non-repayment, these are the dirtiest sources
    4. +9
      30 September 2021 10: 33
      Quote: Rurikovich
      By the way, the question raised by the author is very relevant.

      As they say, "We treat one thing and cripple the other." And all this green energy, another brand of the West.
      1. +5
        30 September 2021 14: 47
        Quote: tihonmarine
        the next brand name the west.

        Another delirium west! wassat
        1. +2
          30 September 2021 15: 40
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Another western delirium!

          It sounds more competent and colorful in Russian.
      2. +1
        30 September 2021 17: 57
        Yes, a rare idiocy. To harm my mother, I will frostbite my ears. There is no way to combine, to vary, one is treated, the other is crippled.
      3. +2
        1 October 2021 00: 30
        No, not delirium, but a progmatic policy:
        If they themselves run out of oil, so they run around with this green nonsense, at the same time impose quotas on CO2, import taxes, bans on use - in other words, they put spokes in the wheels of those who still have this oil ...
        In general, everything is trite with them, as always
    5. -3
      1 October 2021 01: 36
      Five European companies form the Battery Recycling Alliance - Reneos
      Five European companies, Bebat from Belgium, GRS Batterien Service GmbH from Germany, Cobat from Italy, BatteriRetur from Norway and Stibat from the Netherlands, have formed the Trans-European Alliance Reneos, which will coordinate the collection and recycling of batteries. This process is in line with the policy of the European Commission to create a sustainable ecosystem of electromobilization, which, among other things, includes decarbonization of the production of batteries, as well as the subsequent stages of their life, through recycling, and before recycling. The goal of this policy is to create a system, all elements of the system of which will meet the strictest environmental standards, and prevent the formation of a "failure" in the life cycle of battery cells - everything should be used to the limit of its technical capabilities, nothing should be thrown into a landfill, polluting the environment, and everything should be reworked as much as possible.

      To my great regret, the author of this article is not at all aware of what recycling is and how long Europe has been practicing it, or an article ordered by the oil industry hi
      1. 0
        1 October 2021 20: 43
        Yes, they have everything here that (foreign) is bad, to look for common sense in this is superfluous ... And the author is a student of the 9th grade. It’s shallow that the authors are commentators (it used to be interesting to read smart people, but now, you open it out of habit once every two weeks, you look at this amateur circle, melancholy ...) ps He graduated from 9 classes at 3, but even for me it’s too much.
  4. +17
    30 September 2021 05: 55
    Yes, this is the flip side of alternative energy. And if we add here the extraction of lithium itself, then everything will become even clearer.
    1. +4
      30 September 2021 15: 41
      Quote: nickolai.maliugin
      And if we add here the extraction of lithium itself, then everything will become even clearer.

      And its stocks are limited.
  5. +21
    30 September 2021 06: 02
    There is a problem with the disposal of everyday solid waste, but with batteries it will definitely be a disaster. Taking into account the mentality of some comrades who can afford to open a car window in the city center and throw out a pack of cigarettes ... I think the very creepy ones will wait for the peak of the purchase of electric vehicles, and introduce new kosmosboro, for the disposal of batteries ... So the only option is a horse.
    1. +7
      30 September 2021 06: 48
      Well, you can take a horse tax from a horse wassat
      **** The law clearly prescribes the procedure for transportation, collection, storage and disposal of wastes with hazard classes from 1 to 4. At the same time, according to GOST, manure is classified as waste of hazard classes 3 and 4, that is, moderate and low hazard waste. It is also important that according to the law, by July 1, 2016, the disposal of such waste must be certified, which requires the purchase of a very expensive license. ***
      1. +3
        30 September 2021 08: 43
        requires the purchase of a very expensive license

        here gardeners, gardeners got something ...
        1. +3
          30 September 2021 20: 10
          Quote: Skay
          here gardeners, gardeners got something ...

          You and Minus - from the same article:

          the law on manure (No. 458) is aimed at regulating the activities of large agricultural organizations, large farms. However, he cannot in any way restrict the normal activities of small subsidiary farms and private small farms


          https://www.polsov.com/18807-chto-stoit-znat-o-zakone-o-navoze.html
        2. +1
          30 September 2021 22: 36
          Quote: Skay
          requires the purchase of a very expensive license

          here gardeners, gardeners got something ...
          Gardeners pay up to about 5000 rubles (different type, different volumes of the truck) for manure disposal right (source - own experience) and prices grow from year to year ...
          sad
      2. +3
        30 September 2021 08: 46
        Quote: Minus
        Moreover, according to GOST, manure refers to waste 3 and 4

        You probably wanted to say "according to the FKKO, introduced by order of Rosprirodnadzor dated May 22.05.2017, 242 No. XNUMX"?
      3. +1
        30 September 2021 15: 50
        Quote: Minus
        At the same time, according to GOST, manure is classified as waste of hazard classes 3 and 4, that is, moderate and low hazard waste.

        But the cost of cow dung is about 30 euros per ton. Whatever one may say, but 7 tons will have to be bought.
      4. -1
        30 September 2021 23: 25
        The most incredible thing about this law is that by collecting mowed grass on your site to the compost heap (or composter, which is not so important), you break this law.
      5. 0
        12 October 2021 21: 28
        And if you count how much the horse and its waste products release methane and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere ...
    2. +2
      30 September 2021 07: 10
      So the only option is a horse.

      Or on the wood) laughing
      1. +5
        30 September 2021 16: 02
        Do not worry. Serfs will walk on foot. And gentlemen to drive "environmentally friendly cars." And the horse will be a luxury and will be subject to exorbitant taxes. Wait a bit, build a digital "paradise" on Earth and do it.
        1. +2
          30 September 2021 23: 30
          About horses:
          they produce hazard class 4 waste, and the handling of this waste is subject to licensing.
          By the way to dog breeders:
          By removing the excrement of your pets from the lawns, you are breaking the law on handling ...
          1. +1
            1 October 2021 11: 09
            By the way to dog breeders:
            By removing the excrement of your pets from the lawns, you are breaking the law on handling ...

            So they don't clean up!
      2. +6
        30 September 2021 22: 46
        Quote: V1er
        So the only option is a horse.

        Or on the wood) laughing
        THE WEIGHT...
        wood fired machine EU
        In Russia...
        wood-fired car Russia
        In the USSR, during the Second World War ...
        lorry on the wood
        fellow
        1. +1
          1 October 2021 11: 11
          The wood must be dried (10% humidity) and cut into cubes 100 ... 150 mm ...
    3. +2
      30 September 2021 12: 36
      The horse needs to be fed. And she eats ogogo. And requires care
    4. +2
      30 September 2021 14: 32
      then horses will need a billion times more than people How many will they eat and shit
    5. +3
      30 September 2021 15: 46
      Quote: Andrey1978
      I think the very smart ones will wait for the peak of the acquisition of electric vehicles, and will introduce new spaceborne vehicles.

      The actual disposal cost is higher than the new one. And soon the time will come when when you buy a new battery, you will pay to dispose of the old one.
      1. +3
        30 September 2021 18: 44
        Already. At least in the Russian Federation. The disposal fee is included in the consumer price
        1. +4
          1 October 2021 00: 35
          Quote: El Barto
          .Recycling fee is included in the consumer price

          T.E.The money is torn up, and in advance, but the battery is one devil, you can just throw it in the trash
          1. +1
            1 October 2021 01: 06
            It seems like this money should be used to organize collection and disposal. This works for many types of products, such as electronics and household appliances.
            The batteries are not working yet
  6. +2
    30 September 2021 06: 04
    The Americans neatly folded the scraps, we would have thrown a bunch of them.
  7. -9
    30 September 2021 06: 09
    No one really thinks about the fact that metals will sooner or later fall into nature.

    And they did not appear from nature?

    Composite does not decompose in nature for hundreds of years, does not bring much harm, but "turbine graveyards" are practically forever withdrawn from economic circulation.

    Buried composite is safe. Cover it with soil and plant a forest above it. The problem with wind turbines is different: noise and threat to birds.
    1. -10
      30 September 2021 06: 42
      And what is the threat and noise?
      The Dutch have been actively using windmills for various purposes for 800 years now - and the birds seem to be in place, people have not died out and even the worms have not escaped.
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 07: 36
        Quote: Avior
        And what is the threat and noise?
        The Dutch have been actively using windmills for various purposes for 800 years now - and the birds seem to be in place, people have not died out and even the worms have not escaped.

        Well, yes. What is the linear speed of the end of a windmill blade? And what is it like for a megawatt windmill?

        Quote: Minus
        Why did you become safe? Or do you think that there is no decomposition and release of harmful substances from the binder?

        "Composite does not decompose in nature for hundreds of years,"
        1. -9
          30 September 2021 08: 04
          Well, yes. What is the linear speed of the end of a windmill blade? And what is it like for a megawatt windmill?

          I have been near working wind turbines in the Netherlands, and near working wind farm generators. Windmills make more noise, as for me.
          And what about the birds? They flew quietly here and there. They fly at airfields, but there is much more noise.
          1. +4
            30 September 2021 08: 29
            As I understand it, the Professor means the threat of the mechanical impact of the spinning blade on the bird that got hit, in the conditions of huge "wind" fields the death of birds on them will be natural and quite significant.
            1. -7
              30 September 2021 08: 37
              I have never seen the chopped carcasses of birds near the wind farm, including the one on the seashore, where there are a lot of seagulls. It is hard to believe in such a massive chopper, it is enough to look at these generators up close - to get to the end of the blade for a bird is a great rarity.
              Huge wind fields actually look dense only from afar, hundreds of meters of distance between generators.
              Birds fall under a collision with cars, trains and other vehicles - you will not find any massive corpses along the roads - this is also a great rarity.
              And even more so near wind generators
          2. +2
            30 September 2021 08: 52
            Quote: Avior
            I have been near working wind turbines in the Netherlands, and near working wind farm generators. Windmills make more noise, as for me.

            It's not just the amplitude,

            but also the frequency.

            Quote: Avior
            And what about the birds? They flew quietly here and there. They fly at airfields, but there is much more noise.

            1.17 million birds are killed by wind turbines in the United States each year
            https://abcbirds.org/blog21/wind-turbine-mortality/
            1. -4
              30 September 2021 09: 24
              All as I wrote - a few dead birds - large! - in the photo. There are no trucks with chopped carcasses of birds and not close. All these millions are purely theoretical figures, especially since the figures on your link are much lower. The accuracy of the calculations differs at times, the authors themselves admit, at least five times. If it were really so, then there would be no problem to collect the affected birds.
              By reference to the photo-photo of large flocks during seasonal migrations, individual cases are presented as a system. Yes, at such a moment, if the generators are located along the migration path, it makes sense to turn them off for a while.
              Do you know, for comparison, how many animals and birds are killed by cars?
              By comparison, an estimated 194 million birds and 29 million mammals die on European roads every year, according to a recent study published in the scientific journal Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment.

              https://plus-one.ru/ecology/2020/07/06/vosem-dikih-zhivotnyh-kotorye-chashche-vsego-gibnut-na-dorogah-rossii
              The figure is incomparably larger than even those 140-680 thousand in the states, declared according to theoretical calculations
              Or according to your own link, how many birds are killed by domestic cats?
              Every year in the United States, cats kill well over 1 billion birds.
              More than 1 billion birds are killed by cats each year in the United States.

              https://abcbirds.org/threat/cats-and-other-invasives/
              Billion! Against the background of domestic cats, the threat to birds from wind farms is at the level of statistical error, just a vanishingly scanty figure.
              Yes, there is some threat to birds from any man-made factors. Do you think that there is no threat to birds from the actions of thermal stations? And from the hydroelectric power station to fish? We will not return to the Stone Age anyway, and the industry will continue to exist.
              But they clung to the wind stations with the help of primitive manipulations with numbers.
              hi
              1. +1
                30 September 2021 13: 32
                Quote: Avior
                As I wrote, only a few dead birds are large! -

                1.17 million birds are killed by wind turbines in the United States each year
                https://abcbirds.org/blog21/wind-turbine-mortality/
              2. +3
                30 September 2021 14: 38
                yes nonsense and sucked out of the finger bird problem.
                1. SSR
                  +1
                  3 October 2021 01: 58
                  Quote: Alexey Kurilov_4
                  yes nonsense and sucked out of the finger bird problem.

                  Quote: Avior
                  All as I wrote - a few dead birds - large! - in the photo. There are no trucks with chopped carcasses of birds and not close.

                  Comrades, we don't turn off our heads.
                  One hundred dead elephants and one hundred rats are not the same thing.
                  One hundred eagles or golden eagles, storks or other large birds, this is not a thousand sparrows eaten by a cat, this is a hundred from the top of the food chain, capable of independently devouring cats. In China, there are no pigeons in the squares, but this is completely different.
            2. -1
              30 September 2021 10: 17
              Quote: professor

              1.17 million birds are killed by wind turbines in the United States each year

              Fuck ... and how many birds die in a year from about all the reasons?
              1. +4
                30 September 2021 10: 45
                1.17 million birds are killed by wind turbines in the United States each year
                https://abcbirds.org/blog21/wind-turbine-mortality/

                in fact, according to the link in the table, the numbers are much less - 140-680 thousand according to various estimates
                according to a common estimate, only cats die in the world
                A team of scientists from the Smithsonian Conservation Biology and the Fish and Wildlife Service analyzed and summarized data from previous studies on cats as predators and published them in the journal Nature Communications.

                According to the authors of the article, cats annually kill from 1,4 billion to 3,7 billion birds and from 6,9 billion to 20,7 billion mammals.




                Cats kill birds 6000 times more than wind farms
                So, in fact, the blades of wind turbine generators kill every year in the United States (the best statistics on all these issues were collected in America) from about 200 to 500 thousand birds.

                This seems like a lot until you look at the rest of the numbers, where:

                - from 500 thousand to a million birds perish in oil fields every year!
                - collisions with power lines kill up to five million birds annually!

                - 200 million birds die every year from collisions with cars!

                - 599 million birds die every year from collisions with the glass of houses!

                And finally, from the paws and teeth of striped (and red, and black, and white and all other colors) predators - cats and cats - 6000 times more die every year than from wind generators - from one and a half to three billion birds! Billions!

                https://newizv.ru/news/incident/24-07-2019/tsifra-dnya-koshki-ubivayut-v-6-tysyach-raz-bolshe-ptits-chem-vetrogeneratory
                Here they are, bird genocides!
                But wind generators are to blame: ((
                Even more clearly shows the manipulative nature of the thesis about the death of birds, if we compare the number of dead birds from wind generators and from thermal power plants in terms of a unit of generated electricity. I came across such a study on Elsaver's website for 2006.

                The study estimates that wind farms and nuclear power stations are responsible for each between 0.3 and 0.4 fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of electricity while fossil-fueled power stations are responsible for about 5.2 fatalities per GWh.
                The study estimates that wind and nuclear power plants are responsible for 0,3 to 0,4 deaths per gigawatt hour (GWh) of electricity, while fossil fuel power plants are responsible for about 5,2 deaths per gigawatt hour (GWh) of electricity. GWh.

                ... the estimate means that wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fueled power plants 14.5 million.
                ... an estimate means that wind farms killed about 2006 birds in the United States in 327, while nuclear power plants killed about 000 birds and fossil-fueled power plants 14,5 million.


                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421509001074?via%3Dihub
                That is, cited on the death of birds from wind farms is a common manipulation in the expectation that a person will not find out the details.
                hi
                1. 0
                  30 September 2021 16: 45
                  So you do not rip out of the total number, this, in addition to those that the cats eat, die, otherwise it sounds like: well, 10 million people a year die of hunger and illness in some country - it's okay if another 100-300 thousand will be from radiation some station or some other production to die.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2021 16: 58
                    Not 10 million, but 3 billion from cats alone, not counting hundreds of millions more from high-rise buildings, and hundreds of millions more from cars. And 140-680 thousand from wind farms. The scale of the numbers is incomparable.
                    This is first
                    And secondly, read carefully what is written above.
                    I gave a link to a scientific article above.
                    When receiving the same amount of electricity at a wind station, 12-18 times fewer birds will die than if the same energy was received at a thermal station.
                    But there is in itself a transition from generating electricity at thermal power plants to wind power plants that will reduce the death of birds by 12-18 times.
                    Thus, the stories about the danger to birds of wind farms are the truth turned inside out. In reality, everything is strictly the opposite, the transition to wind power instead of heat will dramatically reduce the death of birds.
                    Remember the well-known thesis that the more monstrous a lie, the sooner it will be believed? Here, with the alleged harm to birds, this is the same case.
                    hi
      2. +1
        30 September 2021 13: 43
        So the Dutch do not have composites tossing and turning for centuries, but very even environmentally friendly wood, and there are not so many wind turbines as now, and the turns are not the ones to kill birds.
        1. -1
          30 September 2021 14: 09
          read above. there with links everything
          especially about those who kill birds.
    2. +5
      30 September 2021 06: 50
      Why did you become safe? Or do you think that there is no decomposition and release of harmful substances from the binder?
    3. +2
      30 September 2021 15: 49
      [quote = professor] [quote] The problem with wind turbines is different: noise and threat to birds. [/ quote]
      The problem with wind turbines is different: the need for traditional stations with a total capacity comparable to the generation capacity of wind turbines.
    4. 0
      30 September 2021 23: 41
      And they did not appear from nature?

      Only not from the surface of the Earth
      Buried composite is safe.

      Are you sure about that? There is life under the surface of the earth too.
      If you haven't read Ray Bradbury, I recommend it. One accidentally crushed midge by a time traveler changed the world of the future beyond recognition.
    5. 0
      1 October 2021 00: 39
      Quote: professor
      Buried composite is safe. Cover it with soil and plant a forest above it.

      You can fill up artificial islands
  8. +2
    30 September 2021 06: 16
    By the way, the prudent Europeans and the Japanese have already found a partial solution to this problem - to send used electric cars to Russia. *** In other words, Russia is a dump for them.
    1. +9
      30 September 2021 06: 47
      We buy ourselves, no one is forcing us.
  9. -7
    30 September 2021 06: 28
    Far-fetched horror stories
    The main part of batteries today is not only electric cars, but also gadgets, and much more, and no one is going to give them up.
    And the recycling process has existed in the world for a long time, especially in China, where the production of batteries has become large.
    They have been grinding for recycling for a long time, and recycling enterprises are growing both now and in the future.

    As for the blades, composites and plastics have been used for a long time, and no one is going to abandon them. The blades in this volume are a drop in the sea.
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  11. +3
    30 September 2021 06: 51
    From parts of the blades of the roof and walls of private houses.
  12. +4
    30 September 2021 06: 56
    By the way, the "warehousing" method is very popular among Americans.
    They dispose of nuclear fuel elements in such a way - like when we find a way, we will recycle it. Only after a couple of decades they simply cannot be removed for disposal.
  13. +3
    30 September 2021 07: 08
    I think there is only one way out. Immediately put into blades and accumulators the possibility of their cheap processing. And of course, build these same processing plants. But, as practice shows, even nuclear waste or household waste cannot be recycled, not to mention plastic, cellophane, of which there are billions of tons. There is not a sufficient number of factories for their processing, there is no total transition to paper or decaying bags and dishes. Therefore, they will continue to pollute the earth, while squealing from the stands about green energy.
    1. +2
      30 September 2021 07: 19
      Quote: V1er
      there is no total transition to paper

      Yes Yes....
      For their production you need wood and water (clean !!!!) .... so it's not a fact that they are more environmentally friendly than cellophane
      1. +5
        30 September 2021 07: 23
        Forest and water are at least renewable and easily go back into nature, paper bags decompose. And cellophane can lie for hundreds of years.
        1. +6
          30 September 2021 09: 14
          Quote: V1er
          go back to nature

          If a plastic bottle has been lying somewhere in the field for several years, then in the sun, then under the snow, it crumbles into powder from thin, sharp fibers from a light blow. The lid remains. The powder is considered potentially hazardous to animals, especially fish. After myself, I usually dispose of garbage in nature to a more or less natural state using traditional methods. More than once I had the opportunity to look at my old 25-30 year old buried garbage dumps. Where they were dug into the stones with sand, now green grass grows. Worst of all with glass. Sometimes I take them to the official trash can. If there is no way to melt in nature (I can). Or I bury it in moving stone piles, it works no worse than a ball mill.
    2. +6
      30 September 2021 07: 42
      cellophane

      Cellophane was made from viscose. It decomposes very quickly in nature. Now interest in him in this regard has arisen again.
      1. +1
        30 September 2021 15: 31
        Quote: Undecim
        It decomposes very quickly in nature.

        Yes. I confused and meant polyethylene.
  14. -4
    30 September 2021 07: 23
    The European-American green tech boom is at times very similar to a series of ill-considered decisions.

    The mass introduction of electric vehicles, for example, was launched without the possibility of recycling their spent batteries.

    Yes, the work of a propagandist, it’s like that, to pull the owl onto the globe, no matter how it resists.
    With the above quote, you can start an article about anything, even metallurgy, because the global boom of metallurgical technologies that began about 10 years ago was definitely a series of ill-considered decisions, and the issues of waste processing have not been fundamentally resolved until now.


    This is how the slag dumps of metallurgical plants look today, the beginning of which many thousands of years ago was thoughtlessly laid by our distant ancestor.
    In the same way, a completely thoughtless decision was the boom in paper production at the beginning of our era, since the issues of what to do with the emissions of huge pulp and paper mills have not been fully resolved today.

    I am not even talking about nuclear power. And this list of "rash decisions" can be continued and continued, right down to the keyboard that the author tapped on when creating his "analytics".
    By the way, the prudent Europeans and the Japanese have already found a partial solution to this problem - to send used electric cars to Russia.

    That is, according to the author's logic, cunning Europeans and Japanese send used cars to Russia without her consent?
    It would be better if the author strained himself and wrote an article on the development of technologies for the processing of lithium-ion batteries and polymer products, because such a problem really exists and scientists and engineers are working hard all over the world to solve it.
    1. -2
      30 September 2021 07: 40
      By the way, the issue is also being resolved with wind turbine blades.

      This is a RecyclableBlade by Siemens Gamesa. The technology provides for complete processing after the end of its service life.
    2. +11
      30 September 2021 09: 15
      Passage for metallurgy and pulp and paper mill appreciated. The fact is that these technologies were vital for the further development and evolution of mankind. No metallurgy - no tools and weapons. No paper - it is impossible to transfer knowledge from generation to generation. And here, indeed, you have to put up with "bonuses" in the form of dirty tails. This is not the case with renewable energy. There is not
      we now have a vital need for a green transition. There are other, much more important challenges - epidemics, poverty, hunger, finally, in African countries. The fact that in the Old World by 2050 will go to zero in carbon dioxide emissions, it will not become easier for anyone on the planet. If they come out at all, by the way. Europeans and Americans together are absolutely artificially trying to create challenges for the industry, accelerate progress by introducing draconian Euro norms, etc. Just look at what engineers have to sculpt on modern long-haul trucks to meet European standards. Exhaust cleaning systems are sometimes more complicated and almost more expensive than the engine itself! They are trying to organize a "fourth energy transition" to renewable sources, but, in fact, they are only accelerating the "third transition" based on natural gas. And here, not without excesses. Why did Europe actually skip the stage of converting cars to natural gas? The most important reason for such a love for all kinds of wind turbines and solar panels is the desire for energy independence from the OPEC countries. Resource-poor Europe, with its self-centeredness, cannot afford to depend on anyone. The paradox is that the consumption of one's own society is growing steadily from year to year. There is no other way - it is the engine of any capitalism. And how can this be combined with reducing greenhouse gas emissions? This is where seditious thoughts about the deliberate COVID-19 to reduce the average life expectancy come in. By the way, if so, it works well.
      Now for the details.
      That is, according to the author's logic, cunning Europeans and Japanese send used cars to Russia without her consent?

      Here is just the quintessence of the "green" approach of the Europeans. We do it cleanly for ourselves, but don't care about the rest. If in Russia there is no way to massively dispose of lithium-ion batteries, then why sell? Or maybe first build a modern recycling factory and then send used electric cars?
      1. -4
        30 September 2021 09: 26
        If in Russia there is no possibility of mass disposal of lithium-ion batteries, then why sell? Or maybe first build a modern recycling factory and then send used electric cars?

        You continue to torture the bird.
        Who makes Russia buy European trash? What is the problem with banning imports? Does Zarathustra not allow?
        As for the vital necessity of metallurgy and paper, then your comment can be applied to them in the same way. Didn't people manage calmly without paper and metals? We did it ..
        1. +2
          30 September 2021 10: 09
          Don't you know that it has long been forbidden to import cars over 7 years old?
          1. 0
            30 September 2021 13: 53
            You better address your question to the author. Or have you not read the article?
          2. 0
            1 October 2021 10: 58
            Probably not prohibited, but a protective duty has been introduced for the internal combustion engine. For electric trains, this duty is zero.
            1. 0
              1 October 2021 11: 13
              No. Precisely what is forbidden.
              As soon as the people do not spin, they are dismantled (motor-body-suspension) they are imported as used spare parts, and here they are assembled and, according to the documents of the broken car, they register "replacement of numbered units"
              And still cheaper than new and best of all this Sino-Korean-Japanese and other Renonisan sludge. They used to know how to make cars
        2. -1
          30 September 2021 13: 55
          Minus is another confirmation of the correctness of Daniel the Zatochnik. A thousand years have passed, but nothing has changed.
      2. 0
        30 September 2021 10: 11
        rebuild a modern processing factory


        Who will pay for it?
      3. +5
        30 September 2021 11: 13
        Hello! In addition to pollution with lithium and blades, environmentally friendly energy resources have many disadvantages and can only be considered as ancillary.
        For example, the wind is not only unpredictable, but it is not everywhere, the same is with geothermal energy and others, they are highly dependent on the area.
        But the biggest disadvantage is that it cannot be transported or sold to others, only on a straight line it is possible to provide the place where the wind turbine or solar panels are located.
        I believe that the outlet is in nuclear energy, nuclear fuel can be transported and stations can be installed almost everywhere. The only negative is waste.
        But at the same time, nuclear energy is safer than others, but there were two big accidents and a couple of small ones, but they are associated either with ignorance or human error, but compared to oil accidents, nuclear energy is safer.
        In this sense, it is interesting how "ecology friends" want to ban nuclear energy.
      4. +1
        30 September 2021 20: 08
        The author, give at least the statistics on the import of used electric vehicles into Russia from overseas, I have not seen a single electric car on our roads besides the Toyota Prius, the Nissan Leaf is only at the exhibition once, the Toyota and Lexus hybrids do not count, I forgot once I saw the Tesla
      5. +1
        30 September 2021 23: 07
        Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
        No paper - it is impossible to transfer knowledge from generation to generation. ?
        cuneiform
        In 1849 in Iraq, on the banks of the river. Tiger found the ruins of the king's palace Ashurbanipala, found in the palace a library of 30000 tuppum - clay tablets.
        Remember the story of the "burned out library" of the Assyrians - today we can read what people wrote about 3500 BC.
        hi
    3. +1
      8 October 2021 21: 04
      In Russia, one entrepreneur from this metallurgy slag gets nanocement comparable in strength to the 1200 series, and even a project that surpasses it at the start of the Chinese became interested in it.
      1. 0
        8 October 2021 21: 21
        Slag alone will not work. Slag is used as an additive to Portland cement, and Portland slag cement is obtained. What you are talking about is called nano-modified Portland cement.
        It has been used for a long time.
  15. +5
    30 September 2021 07: 25
    But there is no need to lie, and for a very long time
    There are currently no factories in Russia responsible for the disposal of lithium-ion batteries. And even if they did exist, it is far from every region that it is possible to remove a battery weighing several tens, or even hundreds of kilograms.

    https://eco2eco.ru/utilizaciya/utilizatsiya-litievyh-akkumulyatorov/
    The Megapolisresurs group of companies has been a leader in the processing of lithium-ion batteries in Russia for seven years. The technology is based on hydrometallurgy, which allows not only to be very flexible in setting up processes, but also to adapt the received materials to the customer's requests. Battery recycling results in copper powder, cobalt salts, lithium carbonate and aluminum sulfate

    They love to replicate this myth.
  16. +1
    30 September 2021 08: 12
    And the author knows how much territory has been dirtied by electricity generation working on coal, fuel oil and even gas. He did not seem to see the sludge dumps near each thermal power station, state district power station.
    1. +3
      30 September 2021 10: 08
      The answer is simple - develop nuclear power
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 10: 14
        Any extraction of energy from nature brings garbage and dirt. Humanity has not yet learned how to extract energy without destroying it.
        1. +1
          30 September 2021 23: 13
          Quote: ALARI
          Any extraction of energy from nature brings garbage and dirt. Humanity has not yet learned how to extract energy without destroying it.
          squirrel in a wheel
          Connect the drive to the generator ... fellow
          Yes
          1. -1
            1 October 2021 08: 08
            The ecosystem is destroyed, instead of gnawing nuts, the squirrel will run until it dies. negative
      2. +3
        30 September 2021 23: 34
        Quote: El Barto
        1350

        You need to be one step ahead and bet on Tokomak T-15MD
        tokomak
        good
  17. +3
    30 September 2021 08: 28
    There was a solution in Futurama: there all the garbage was loaded onto a rocket and sent into space. She returned after a few years, but the idea is brilliant! wassat
    1. 0
      30 September 2021 23: 15
      Quote: Igor Pa
      There was a solution in Futurama: there all the garbage was loaded onto a rocket and sent into space. She returned after a few years, but the idea is brilliant! wassat
      But there was a solution ...
      Created another lump of "new garbage" and recaptured the "old debris" back into space.
      wassat
  18. +12
    30 September 2021 08: 29
    Electric car graveyard

    When and if an electric vehicle catches fire, it cannot be extinguished. A special truck arrives in Europe with a crane and a bathtub. The burning car is placed in a bath of water and it goes out for 3 days. This water should also be disposed of accordingly.

    First, a BMW i8 in Germany, and then Tesla in Austria, were immersed for many hours in a huge container filled with water. This is the only way to guarantee safety, since batteries with continuing chemical processes in them can ignite spontaneously within a few days after an accident and the first extinguishing. Research confirms this.
    Firefighters in the Netherlands use a slightly different method, they immediately bring a box filled with water, in which they put a dangerous electric car. It is left under water for 24 hours.

    Foam is created by mixing water with chemicals from the vehicle's batteries.
    According to the local fire department, the reason the solution was used was because it takes a lot of water to extinguish a fire in an electric vehicle over a longer period of time, in part due to the inaccessibility of the battery packs.

    The water used for extinguishing is toxic, contains nickel, cobalt and other hazardous chemicals used in batteries and cars.

    The fire department also claims that the resulting mixture was disposed of responsibly and that they are perfectly prepared to cope with such situations in the future.
  19. +12
    30 September 2021 09: 40
    The German newspaper Handelsblatt has published a report by the consulting company Prognos AG, which predicts a rise in electricity prices by at least 2030% by 50. At the same time, competitors of green energy - power plants on fossil fuels - will be bled white by the carbon tax, which the United States intends to impose on all countries.
    To fully convert motor traffic from ICEs to electric vehicles in the UK alone, it will take twice as much cobalt as is produced globally in a year; almost all world production of neodymium; three quarters of the world's lithium production; at least half of the world's copper production. It will also require a 20-fold (!) Increase in electricity generated in Britain.
    A 2014 study by the International Energy Agency shows that the transmission costs of electricity for wind turbines are about three times the cost of transmission of electricity from coal or nuclear power.
    https://www.fondsk.ru/news/2021/05/17/obratnaja-temnaja-storona-zelenoj-energetiki-53587.html?fbclid=IwAR1bEd3TfZs7C0_jMbDbBtpj_M2abgXp4bSufiUFkWYPdw3bA-YHfGTF8i8
  20. +4
    30 September 2021 10: 03
    The electric car allows the Elves not to spoil on their territory, and all its waste (battery and utilization and gas for its electricity) to buy and recycle for printed Euros and Dollars. If at least the currency seal is removed in this scheme ... then the schemes will not be so beautiful
  21. +7
    30 September 2021 10: 06
    The so-called "green technologies" are generally akin to a perpetual motion machine and have a drawback, which the author says - either too much energy is spent in their production and damage to the environment, or the same happens when they are recycled.

    Today, the most environmentally friendly type of energy is nuclear. But as a power plant for consumer devices (households, cars), it is not suitable.

    The only real way to solve the problem of renewable fuels is to use ethanol (methanol is too toxic) as fuel. And in many countries it works (Brazil, China) However, only ethanol from food raw materials, produced by the rectification method, is suitable. Hydrolysis production, which allows the production of alcohol from forest waste, is in itself quite harmful and dangerous, plus it leaves a huge amount of waste, harmless, but useless.

    And here another problem arises - for the production of fuel alcohol in marketable quantities, the corresponding sown areas and the corresponding industrial crops (mainly corn) are required.

    That is, by solving the problem of "renewable" fuel, we will exacerbate the problem of hunger and lack of feed for agricultural animals. And this is not to mention the fact that the cultivation of modern hybrid or GMO crops causes serious harm to the environment (nothing else can grow in the fields, insects and birds are dying out in the district, etc.).

    Switching to bicycles or "pawns" is also not an option in the modern world. This could work in the Soviet Union, where people lived in specially built areas and villages next to the factories where they worked. But now, in this regard, there is complete chaos - even in Moscow, where public transport works perfectly, the best in the world, it takes 1-1,5 hours to get to work, and in the USA or Germany or the Russian countryside, in many places there is no public transport at all. without a car in any way. People somehow get out, trying to save money - for example, they take turns in a group to go to work in one car, today by mine, tomorrow by yours.

    In general, we have to hope for changes in the socio-economic sphere and breakthroughs in science.
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 11: 43
      People somehow get out, trying to save money - for example, they take turns in a group to go to work in one car, today by mine, tomorrow by yours.
      This is exactly what we do.
      1. +1
        30 September 2021 12: 45
        This is not only with us. For example, many Danes live in Sweden, housing is cheaper and in general everything is much cheaper, but they work in Denmark, salaries are higher. But travel is expensive - you will go broke on public transport, and you still have to get to the metro in Malmo. By car - traveling across the bridge across the strait costs 50 euros, well, it's cheaper with a transponder, but still expensive. So they cooperate, they drive 5 people in a car in turn
        1. +2
          30 September 2021 13: 02
          Quote: El Barto
          By car - traveling across the bridge across the strait costs 50 euros, well, it's cheaper with a transponder, but still expensive. So they cooperate and drive 5 people by car in turn

          He-he-he ... I remember an angry article in "Behind the Wheel" of late Soviet times about the irrational use of personal transport - they say, 1-2 people drive in cars, cars clog the streets, this must be stopped. It was proposed not to let cars in which less than 4 people enter the city - let the owners cooperate with friends and drive them. Then they laughed at it - my car, what I want, I do it. But the bestial grin of the world of money-making put everything in its place. smile
  22. +2
    30 September 2021 10: 19
    All this gives reason to remember the conspiracy theory. Consumption in society should grow, but at the moment it has slowed down. Even prosperous Europe began to ride on cars that were not of the first freshness, and you rarely see big new cars there. Car manufacturers are interested in more frequent car changes, so they change the same brand into a slightly modified bodywork and dress up with a different shape of headlights, without changing, in principle, anything in the chassis and engine, convincing the buyer to change the car. The assigned service life is also implemented. It helps a little, the level of consumption does not grow. Then they came to the conclusion that the main thing is ecology and a responsible citizen must turn over his car with an internal combustion engine and purchase an electric car for the purpose of "saving the planet." Replacing the fleet will bring huge profits to carmakers, so they jumped at the "green" of electric vehicles. Moreover, they are much more expensive. For example, I am categorically against knocking out catalysts and other firmware that reduce the environmental class of a car. Our legislators need to issue laws that suppress this type of activity, and not hover in the clouds with green energy. And Europe drives such cars and with such anti-theft devices.

    Photographed near the Colosseum. Fiat Panda of the dense year.
    1. +3
      30 September 2021 16: 06
      You are in vain against reducing the environmental friendliness of cars, because improving environmental friendliness is a method of fighting competitors.

      This is done this way: as soon as non-handshake car factories without cheap loans at their own or state expense have reached the level of technology that allows riveting cars with a level no worse than the leading auto concerns, they immediately issue laws prohibiting their implementation on the world market. That is, you can only sell handicrafts from leading manufacturers. This is called unfair competition and administrative resource.

      What's wrong with cheap carburetor cars? In megacities, they are evil, but in the provinces, that's it. Until now, OKA is a very common car in small villages around Moscow. Although not produced for a long time.
      1. -1
        30 September 2021 16: 27
        You are in vain against reducing the environmental friendliness of cars, because improving environmental friendliness is a method of fighting competitors

        Read carefully. I am against transferring cars from Euro-4,5 to Euro-2. In our country, car services are openly engaged in this, and the government only indulges this and cancels the mandatory technical inspection. And in the provinces, it is foolish to demand environmental friendliness from light vehicles.
  23. -1
    30 September 2021 10: 33
    American way of recycling wind turbine blades.
    and which Greta knows about it, or she only "knows" how to pour into the "green" mill and have a huge loot for it! bully
  24. +3
    30 September 2021 10: 38
    Hey! Where is the mad IVF girl Greta looking? am
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 17: 07
      She grew up and got a bicycle (boy). In general, of course, the girl was powerfully framed with these performances.
  25. +4
    30 September 2021 10: 58
    yeah, the topic is interesting, if the "ordinary" MSW is the Klondike, then the raised topic will be Eldorado, no less
    all around babos
  26. +1
    30 September 2021 11: 07
    The blades can be used as a "cushion" for roads in wetlands, as a bridge frame, over streams and small rivers.
    And you won't have to cut anything.
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 21: 43
      Quote: prior
      The blades can be used as a "cushion" for roads in wetlands, as a bridge frame, over streams and small rivers.
      And you won't have to cut anything.


      They are hollow inside and rounded. If you lay down the "foundation" for the road from them, they will amortize - play and part to the sides.

      If you cut into sheets, then such a relatively flat surface for a pillow under the road is also very bad.
      The soil layers will "slide" on it.
      Good adhesion is needed between all layers.

      The layers that under the road usually require good water permeability, so that water from under the upper layer of the road, if it does not go into the drainage and penetrate down under the upper layer, should go below.
      Well, like sand and gravel.
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 22: 01
        The layers that under the road usually require good water permeability, so that water from under the upper layer of the road, if it does not go into the drainage and penetrate down under the upper layer, should go below.


        Naturally. Nobody canceled the swelling of the soil. If the water does not leave the pillow, it will freeze, swell and in the spring there will be a large hole instead of a road.
        But ... If the stars are lit, then someone needs it. Someone has a seasonal re-laying of tiles. Someone has seasonal road repairs
        1. -1
          30 September 2021 22: 07
          Quote: El Barto
          The layers that under the road usually require good water permeability, so that water from under the upper layer of the road, if it does not go into the drainage and penetrate down under the upper layer, should go below.


          Naturally. Nobody canceled the swelling of the soil. If the water does not leave the pillow, it will freeze, swell and in the spring there will be a large hole instead of a road.
          But ... If the stars are lit, then someone needs it. Someone has a seasonal re-laying of tiles. Someone has seasonal road repairs


          Well, in terms of ecology, it does not solve anything, but what kind of business scheme can be stirred up)

          Disposal of blades on the road, we get money for the road and disposal. After a year, the road that has fallen into disrepair is removed to an illegal dump and you can start this cycle again and again.

          The main thing is that such an activity is not stupid making money, but respect.
          A person is engaged in environmental projects, builds roads, and at the same time, he also manages to earn "some" money - respect)
  27. +2
    30 September 2021 11: 10
    The classic scheme of the real life cycle - some profit receive, while the losses of processing and utilization are paid by others.
  28. AB
    0
    30 September 2021 11: 23
    Order of August 23, 2021 No. 2290-r
    "Concepts for the development of production and use of electric motor transport" Approved by the Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin.

    There are only 5 points of pointers in the concept and all this must be completed by 2024. The precedent has been created, and whether it will be fulfilled or not, it is here as usual. There is a government decision, the grandmother was allocated, the loot was stolen, nothing was done. But it's time for Russia to worry, if you do not accept the protective import duties from over the mound of various electrical waste, then we will surely become a worldwide dump.
  29. 0
    30 September 2021 11: 47
    it is clearly seen how from the complete rejection of the greens before (all they say without exception are agents of the State Department)
    moved on to the adoption of green trends, but "where do we bury other people's batteries, since we don't have our own, oh, how difficult it is ...."

    It's naive. Surely GosRosChtoto will not come up with new taxes on utilization? will come up with for sure ...

    and in processing technologies it all depends on kickbacks
    1. 0
      30 September 2021 22: 33
      Quote: Max1995
      it is clearly seen how from the complete rejection of the greens before (all they say without exception are agents of the State Department)
      moved on to the adoption of green trends, but "where do we bury other people's batteries, since we don't have our own, oh, how difficult it is ...."

      It's naive. Surely GosRosChtoto will not come up with new taxes on utilization? will come up with for sure ...

      and in processing technologies it all depends on kickbacks


      This scheme was adopted by Western countries to redistribute income from the sale of raw materials and energy resources.
      They do not have their own raw materials, if they buy from other countries, all the profit remains with the countries who sell. Therefore, the carbon tax was invented and all its derivatives that will appear in the future.

      Those who plan to sell to the west, say, gas, oil, electricity will have to follow these marasmic rules. Or do not trade with them at all.

      And this applies not only to raw materials, insanity will come to the point that if a company wants to sell a program (Soft), then it will need a carbon safety certificate. Well, like when they wrote a program, the computers worked on green electricity or not, the computers themselves are made using green technology or Chinese, what percentage ...

      Everyone is fighting for sales markets, if the West has decided to massively introduce such a mechanism of protectionism, then either immediately it is necessary to refuse to sell something to them or to play according to their rules. Most countries in the world have chosen to play this green game.

      This is a global trend, and there is a lot of money and technology behind it. Maybe insanity, but whoever does not join this game will be overboard.
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 23: 55
        On the one hand, you are right. Another indirect tax of neo-colonialism. (how they don't like this word now)

        On the other hand, emissions from industry really contribute to warming, and they should be so. (Previously, it was considered the other way around, they say, they cover the entire economy).
        And for this to punish with money, what else? (like Baikal - it was not drained - it was cleaner. It was drained - those who were not indifferent noted algae, mud, etc.)
        1. 0
          1 October 2021 00: 12
          Quote: Max1995
          On the one hand, you are right. Another indirect tax of neo-colonialism. (how they don't like this word now)

          On the other hand, emissions from industry really contribute to warming, and they should be so. (Previously, it was considered the other way around, they say, they cover the entire economy).
          And for this to punish with money, what else? (like Baikal - it was not drained - it was cleaner. It was drained - those who were not indifferent noted algae, mud, etc.)


          If you really thought about nature, then you would be ranked by harm.
          They would be eliminated in stages from the most harmful ones.

          For example, gas is quite environmentally friendly when compared with fuel oil, coal or peat.
          In terms of emissions, nuclear power plants are generally very environmentally friendly.

          Now they pounced on gas and nuclear power plants, as a result, electricity is obtained at coal and peat thermal power plants (the share of this generation has grown). If there are concerns about the placement of a nuclear power plant on its territory, then it would be possible to buy from other countries, such as Belarus.

          Green energy is a very muddy, controversial topic.

          The whole movement is obvious due to the fact that they promote "green" energy by any means without taking care of nature. Because it is also very expensive and uncompetitive, so all alternatives need to be eliminated, even to the detriment of nature.
          1. +1
            1 October 2021 01: 20
            Some where it really works. For example, in Brazil, 70% of cars run on locally produced alcohol from sugar cane. And less harmful emissions, and renewability and independence from oil
          2. 0
            1 October 2021 10: 38
            Right. Surely everything is connected.
            For profits, the capitalists will crush, and kill, and stir up.


            now they will go wild, and then they will come to a single line.
  30. +1
    30 September 2021 12: 33
    Only now it is very difficult to attach a seven-ton, forty-meter blade. It's all about the material - a lightweight and durable composite that is almost not recyclable.



    The asphalt concrete plant has a capacity of 160 tons of asphalt per hour, and if you use the crushed composite as an additive in asphalt or in the road prism of a railway track, then one plant or a railway station will devour thousands of such blades and ask for an additive. There is also such a thing as filling contact devices, bulk filters, etc.
    Lithium and radionuclides, spent fuel rods are a valuable industrial raw material, which also drives technology and creates highly qualified jobs and allows to move away from raw material exports and come to a clean and green economy.
    1. +2
      30 September 2021 13: 56
      Quote: ycuce234-san
      Only now it is very difficult to attach a seven-ton, forty-meter blade. It's all about the material - a lightweight and durable composite that is almost not recyclable.

      The asphalt concrete plant has a capacity of 160 tons of asphalt per hour and if you use a crushed composite ...


      Well, the question is just in the crushed composite, what would be added to the asphalt, then you need to grind it strongly, and evenly so that particles comparable in size to the components of asphalt are obtained, i.e. a few millimeters in diameter.

      And the whole point of the strength of the composite is that it consists of a brittle and strong material that works well in compression, another component is added that provides toughness to reduce brittleness, the third component of the fiber that works well in tension.

      As a result, you get a material that is practically impossible to cut with scissors, it is impossible to grind into dust with a hammer, it is impossible to break it in a grinder.

      You can cut with a diamond wheel, but this is only into large fragments or burned in a furnace at a high temperature, a part will fly into the pipe, the solid residue can be easily crushed.
      1. -1
        30 September 2021 18: 04
        You have an idea of ​​how the grinding will be manual. This is not true. Here's how cars are shredded:



        And there the plastic falling from one of the conveyors can be seen.
        And batteries are conveniently used in stationary energy storage devices - a battery that is unsuitable for driving for many decades can serve as a stationary accumulator for power engineers, in any emergency power supply systems, etc.

        The road workers are now recycling the old asphalt and pieces of plastic will simply be thrown along with the used asphalt into the processing line:

        1. 0
          30 September 2021 21: 22
          Quote: ycuce234-san
          You have an idea of ​​how the grinding will be manual. This is not true. This is how cars are shredded ...
          And there you can see the plastic falling from one of the conveyors ...


          The fragments are too large to be added to the asphalt.
          For the subsequent trapping of metal with magnets and remelting it will go.

          Composite is not plastic.
          Imagine what happens to these mega choppers and if you load fiberglass or other sturdy ropes into them.
          It will all wind up on mechanisms and everything will stand up. We'll have to disassemble and cut the windings. And such grinders will not give the desired fine fraction.

          Then you suggest adding it to the asphalt. Will it make him any better?
          The characteristics may deteriorate and its service life will be halved. And instead of solving the problem with recycling, it will only get worse, it will be necessary to more often utilize asphalt, which is much larger in volume than composites.
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  31. +3
    30 September 2021 12: 41
    Everything that nature has done is inherently environmentally friendly. Everything that a person does is anti-ecological. Firewood, gas, coal are not alien substances for nature and their combustion brings much less harm to the environment than the use of alternative energy technologies. The same modern giant windmills that kill birds and to live next to which even the most stubborn environmental activists flatly refuse. Solar panels made from harmful materials that are not found in such frantic concentrations in nature - for example, cadmium, arsenic, gallium - are also anti-ecological. Proper disposal of used panels makes their use deeply unprofitable. Mankind will face this problem in full in about 15 years, when the first massively built solar power plants begin to massively go out of service. In the USA, for example, with a solar power plant, which was broken by hail, they still do not know what to do. The owners, so as not to mess around, declared themselves bankrupt. Local authorities have no money to dispose of the battered panels. The soil around is contaminated with salts of cadmium, arsenic, lead and gallium.
    1. 0
      30 September 2021 16: 15
      Man is made by nature, which means he is environmentally friendly. Since he does something that is not environmentally friendly, then that which is environmentally friendly can do something that is not environmentally friendly. Why among all environmentally friendly products of nature only man stands out? ... By the way, where did the dinosaurs go?
  32. +2
    30 September 2021 13: 10
    In addition to the blades, there are a bunch of gearboxes and bearings in wind turbines, which quickly deplete their resource. Unlike conventional generator drives, all this economy has to be serviced and repaired at a height, and this is associated with high costs for huge cranes and so on. Expensive electricity is obtained. The power industry of the Crimea at one time, Kiev vtyuhal Saki wind farm, equipped with outdated wind turbines from Europe.
    Now these windmills are in a half-dead state. More is spent on repairs and maintenance than this wind farm earns.
  33. 0
    30 September 2021 13: 51
    It is necessary to put the shredders inside the heating boiler, let it burn, burned out further, the processing process went ... As a joke.
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  35. 0
    30 September 2021 15: 28
    the problem with lithium batteries is solved quite simply at the legislative level:
    -standardization. And then they lit: NCA, NMC, LMO, LCO and LFP + prism, cylinder, cube
    -marking
    -the new one can be bought only by handing over the old one
    - tax incentives for processors
    -PFAND deposit for the battery, as for a plastic / glass bottle

    Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
    How, for example, can you deliver the traction battery of the mentioned Nissan Leaf, for example, from the Krasnoyarsk Territory to a disposal site somewhere in the Urals?

    - there are practically no Leafs. all electric vehicles are almost in the central part of the Russian Federation, in the west
    -transport to deliver, what else? Russian Railways groans: ore, timber, coal, oil and so on and so on are being transported from the raw material regions. There is nothing BACK TO CARRY (they want to take MSW out of Moscow): empty wagons are traveling.
    LT-LFP 72: 1,8 kg / 135 x 30 x 222 mm = 20 kg / m ^ 002! Ideal parameter of cargo for transportation. Hitchhiking, assemblies.
    -
    Demand for lithium will grow 40 times, for cobalt and nickel - 20 times

    Lithium carbonate (!): In 2018 spot prices reached an all-time high - $ 20 per 000 kg
    Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
    By the way, the prudent Europeans and the Japanese have already found a partial solution to this problem - to send used electric cars to Russia.
    .... The second bonus is that the problem of recycling a powerful battery is now not European, but Russian.

    By the way, with the average cost of such a Nissan in the EEC of 16000 Euros (1350 rubles), you will have to pay (to the state) to the budget
    Total with recycling fee 290 rubles.

    and the state does not make money on recycling in our country
    The disposal fee is paid in accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation N 1291 of December 26, 2013 and the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation N 81 of February 6, 2016
    Better to get so-so PURIFIED lithium than to buy such carbonate for $ 20 / kg in CHILE

    Quote: Yevgeny Fedorov
    The Americans, with their endless prairies, can afford to bury the remains of "electric mills", which cannot be said about cramped Europe. However, there is nothing to do, and the European Union is forced to approve of this.

    -In the "cemetery" in Casper, Wyoming, nearly 900 blades are kept. They are buried in the ground to be stored until new recycling methods are invented to recycle fiberglass. The city administration receives more than $ 675 from the government for storing wind turbine blades. About 8000 blades are expected to be dismantled in the US over the next few years.
    -In Europe: Most of the used blades reused:
    about 80% of all dismantled wind turbines are reused elsewhere, the remaining 20% ​​are recycled.
    Reciclia Composite

    receives blades from France, Portugal and North Africa. They claim that they will soon be able to process 1500 blades annually.
    Global Fiberglass Solutions intends to process 6 to 7 blades per year at each plant.
    Vestas produces blades that are 42% recycled
    1. +2
      30 September 2021 20: 25
      -In Europe: Most of the used blades are reused:
      about 80% of all dismantled wind turbines are reused elsewhere, the remaining 20% ​​are recycled


      There, apparently, the same system as in aviation, where there is the concept of "airworthiness" instead of service life.

      In Switzerland, the crash of the Junkers JU 52, built in 1939, killed 20 people - 17 passengers and three crew members. If not for the ill-fated cable - the plane would have celebrated the centenary of its construction in the air. So it will be with the blades and other facilities - they will outlive us.
      https://aviaforum.ru/threads/katastrofa-junkers-ju-52-3m-hb-hot-v-shvejcarii-05-08-2018.45691/

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  36. -1
    30 September 2021 16: 02
    green technology is a bluff. paid by oil companies to keep oil prices high ...
  37. 0
    30 September 2021 16: 09
    like the classics ... the anarchy of the capitalist mode of production
  38. -1
    30 September 2021 16: 12
    I agree with the author, but I don't understand what the problem is with the blades. Well, throw them into the sea right there, or throw them without burying them in the desert. Let them lie.
    1. +1
      30 September 2021 22: 25
      Let them swim ... And then in 100 years

  39. +1
    30 September 2021 18: 42
    Lithium is a scarce and expensive material, the problem is far-fetched, they will buy, as now used ordinary batteries are being bought everywhere, at every step of the announcement. And lithium is much more expensive than lead.
  40. 0
    30 September 2021 19: 06
    Green technologies, they are so green.
  41. for
    -2
    30 September 2021 19: 36
    Again, how bad they are. And the author can tell how we dispose of all this, where the promised waste processing plants are. All opponents of electric cars will be the first to acquire them at the first opportunity. Evgeny Fyodorov, you are not by any chance the head of the NOD, an ardent fighter against the West.
  42. 0
    30 September 2021 20: 56
    In general, nothing is clear. Lithium seems to be in quantities so far, but it is not clear how long it will last. And if not lithium? What a trick that is. On the Kuril Lake there was a scientific station, wind turbines, panels, and still a generator ...
  43. DMi
    -1
    30 September 2021 22: 11
    Once upon a time, heroin was sold at the pharmacy as a cough medicine. Marie Curie died of radiation sickness, because by studying radiation she does not mean radioactive contamination. That's all there is to know about the "competence" of scientists. They never know what they have discovered, and what consequences it will lead to. Homo sapiens, as a species, is that very monkey with a grenade.
    I am looking forward to the consequences of the total vaccination that will emerge there in a few years.
  44. 0
    30 September 2021 22: 35
    As usual, it was smooth on paper, but suddenly the priest was bruised.
  45. 0
    30 September 2021 22: 47
    Quote: Pessimist22
    if China reaches the level of US consumption, then resources will run out tomorrow.

    You are wrong. Although, as anti-advertising to this outrage, it will go. The point is that EVERYTHING in Nature is self-regulating. So the catastrophically increasing price will block the appetites of consumption, and the refuse of "civilization" will reduce the amount of humanity squandering Nature. There are a bunch of examples. At least the coronavirus roaming the world. Nature has many self-defense tools. If she, mother, wiped off the dinosaurs that scattered and oppressing others from the face of the Earth, why are we better?
  46. 0
    30 September 2021 22: 52
    The main problem is rampant consumerism and the race for profit! We will consume less - we will need to produce less, we will produce less - we will pollute less ... It is not necessary to come up with new ways of enrichment, under the guise of taking care of the environment, but to take from nature only what is really needed, while thinking about how it is refund! But for this something must happen with the world economic system and the ideology of consumerism. Humanity has created many technologies that allow you to get really clean and affordable energy, but this is not beneficial to certain circles, so inventors "die like flies." ((((
  47. +1
    1 October 2021 01: 03
    When some kind of production becomes mass, then the disposal of waste from this production also becomes mass and cost-effective.
    Tesla is building a third "Giga factory" of batteries in Germany. And next to it, a new German company is immediately building a factory for the disposal of these batteries.

    The questions raised in the article are correct. It is necessary to think about recycling.
    (As well as about the disposal of spent nuclear reactors, by the way).
    But the turn towards electric transport and green technologies is irreversible.
  48. +1
    1 October 2021 02: 42
    On the one hand, the world's richest lithium mineral deposits are one, two, and absent. Afghan is on the topical agenda also because of lithium. On the other hand, the vehicle has laid out everything in detail on the shelves (I will definitely save the material in the bookmarks). Green energy, when studied in detail, somehow changes color. belay
  49. +1
    1 October 2021 02: 52
    remains in the slag forever ... calcium


    Calcium of the same type is useful smile
  50. Rin
    -1
    1 October 2021 06: 24
    We must offer them that they build roads in Russia and recycling and roads will be
  51. 0
    1 October 2021 07: 07
    Here are those, grandma, and St. George’s Day!
  52. 0
    1 October 2021 08: 52
    I wonder how much more energy a windmill will produce compared to the energy costs of making a windmill. Starting from the energy costs of creating materials for it and ending with the costs of its disposal...
    1. -1
      1 October 2021 08: 59
      In fact, no more than for the manufacture of a turbine.
      1. +2
        1 October 2021 12: 07
        Quote: Flanke
        In fact, no more than for the manufacture of a turbine.

        This is a false statement. False because in order to produce the current that an average modern thermal turbine produces, it is necessary to install several dozen wind turbines. I'm not even talking about the size of the land allotment.
    2. -3
      22 January 2022 14: 27
      Energy costs money. Who would produce them at a loss? In theory it is eternal. The blades are most likely
  53. +2
    1 October 2021 10: 31
    "On the one hand, green technologies do reduce dependence on fossil fuels."
    They don't reduce anything! To produce all this “green” stuff, you first need to burn tons of diesel fuel, gasoline and gas/uranium. Show me mining and processing plants powered by windmills or solar panels and then we can talk about at least some kind of ecology!

    The whole point of electric traction is to reduce pollution in cities with populations of over a million people and nothing more. There is no other meaning to this. What does this mean? This means that it makes sense to transfer all municipal (city) transport to electric traction. But charging private electric vehicles outside the city limits is simply prohibited at the level of the criminal code. So that electric traction would be concentrated in cities where it is needed and not spread out over all sorts of ruble bills. Ideally, do not charge the car, but replace the battery with an already charged one. Then there will be no questions about disposal.

    The only normal way out today, in the context of ecology, is to switch private transport to gas. In the future, only miniature nuclear power (no other option is in sight yet).
    1. -3
      22 January 2022 14: 32
      What about solar panels? Whatever you say, traditional energy requires fuel, or uranium. By the way, uranium mining is such an unecological thing, and its enrichment is very energy-intensive.
      And then suddenly: the sun shines absolutely FREE! And the wind too (well, because the Sun is free). And it will be like this for another 2 billion years. Technologies tend to improve and become cheaper. And there are fewer and fewer hydrocarbons, and it is becoming more and more difficult to get them.
  54. +2
    1 October 2021 11: 33
    If we add to this the origin of most of the electricity, which, as you know, is taken from the outlet laughing , and it comes into the socket from a thermal power plant operating on hydrocarbon fuel with a total efficiency of 45-50%, then it becomes generally fun!
    The most reliable way to ruin any good business is to introduce it like Khrushchev.
    This is what environmentalists are doing now.
  55. +2
    1 October 2021 13: 05
    An open secret!
    Capitalism is not about the environment and people, it is about money...
    A simple example: The cost of an iPhone at a factory in China is 5 bucks... The price in the store is the greed of the bourgeois... If anyone remembers the first iPhone, it was not advertised at all in a classical way, so talking about spending on marketing is inappropriate...
    About batteries, windmill blades and other “green” high-tech - a capitalist will never make an “eternal” battery, an inventor will invent it, but the capitalist won’t do it, because it’s not profitable - it’s filled the market and closes down, not in the bourgeois way...
    Example. In the 70s, a method was developed for everyone to grow their own new teeth, regardless of age... How many have heard about this? And what kind of money was spent by the collective “dentists” to forget this?
    The USSR could, because it thought about the person, but the Russian Federation could not, because it thought about the dough...
    The counter-revolution in the USSR called “Perestroika” killed humanism/collectivism - ours, the common (land, river, forest), and cultivated acquisitiveness/selfishness - I, for me, for me (personal member carrier, mortgage cage, social network)...
    Capitalism leads to degradation...
    Dialectics...
    1. +1
      1 October 2021 17: 30
      Example. In the 70s, a method was developed for everyone to grow their own new teeth, regardless of age... How many have heard about this? And what kind of money was spent by the collective “dentists” to forget this?

      I read about this in my youth, I don’t remember in which magazine, maybe in Yunost. The article talked about this method of growing teeth. An example was given of a girl from the mountainous Dagestan whose teeth did not grow at all, due to the lack of some microelements, it seems iodine. She was planted with tooth germs and they allegedly grew into teeth. The article also accused the leadership of the USSR Academy of Medical Sciences of the fact that the Academy deliberately opposed this area of ​​dentistry and that there was not a single academician from dentistry.
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  57. 0
    1 October 2021 15: 58
    >In Russia there are currently no factories responsible for recycling lithium-ion batteries. And even if they were, not every region would be able to remove a battery weighing several tens or even hundreds of kilograms.

    You know, in Saratov, I saw only one electric car, eKalina, charging near Pyaterochka, i.e. there is nothing special to charge and dispose of. But people with money have their finger on the pulse, but I’m not sure) I’m not sure because I don’t see multi-storey parking lots with an abundance of cars and land, it’s often actually difficult to explain the lack of investment in things that are frankly good for everyone.
  58. +1
    1 October 2021 16: 53
    Mass use of electric vehicles, especially in Russian conditions, is FAKE! The transition to battery traction is needed mainly by car manufacturing companies to revive demand, raise prices - and yet another “divorce” of consumers.
  59. 0
    6 October 2021 09: 55
    The other side of "green energy"
  60. 0
    28 October 2021 20: 58
    How much did Sechin and Miller pay the author?
  61. 0
    4 November 2021 09: 02
    I have read about the recycling problem more than once. The Japanese were the first to face it and they also solve the problem in a simple way - they send cars to Russia, our fools.
    No matter what they write about LiOH batteries, their service life is limited by operating temperatures and discharge-charge cycles. In addition, accelerated charging with increased current also destroys it.
    Be that as it may, the alternative is a fuel cell, but it is still at an early stage.
    1. -3
      22 January 2022 14: 35
      Batteries are improving every year. And they get cheaper. Yesterday it was expensive, today it’s already acceptable, but what about tomorrow?
  62. 0
    6 January 2022 21: 16
    There is nothing dumber than an electric car. Someone tell me what is the point of buying an electric car for 3-4 million, if a gasoline equivalent costs a million, well, one and a half?
    1. -3
      22 January 2022 14: 36
      Saving on maintenance and fuel. In 3-5 years this will already be a reality
  63. 0
    15 January 2022 20: 36
    Hydrogen from PES (and we can build PES of gigantic capacity in the east) can solve a lot. Nuclear power plants have already been recognized as green after the autumn crisis in the EU)) the trouble with the world is that the green ones won’t let it go so easily until they gut it..
  64. -2
    22 January 2022 14: 26
    About the batteries it seems to be true. Partly. As for the blades, it's complete nonsense. They hardly wear out. They are quite easy to destroy. Yes, at least put it under the road under construction.

    Can you imagine how the skeptics' arguments sounded at the dawn of cars...

    Let me put it simply - progress cannot be stopped.
  65. 0
    23 February 2022 21: 54
    And this comes from a resident of a country where a colossal amount of radioactive waste is buried.

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