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Rogozin proposed to create a base in the orbit of the moon

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Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin spoke in favor of building a station in the Moon’s orbit, which, in his opinion, will serve as a super-goal for the Russian space industry and will help solve problems in this industry.


“It will be a base for further jumps and jumps,” Rogozin said on the air of Vesti FM radio station on Tuesday, RIA reports.News».

"Russia must formulate what it wants from space"
According to him, the project of the station in the orbit of the Moon will pull science and technology along with itself and will become an incentive for further achievements in the Russian space industry.

“Why not try working in microgravity,” said Rogozin.

Recall that at the end of August, Rogozin proposed to send the ISS to the Moon.

The increase in the number of space accidents in Russia is a consequence of the “oversize” of the industry and its unclear goals, Rogozin believes.

“Russia must formulate what it wants from space,” Rogozin said.

According to him, the Russian space industry is "oversized" and this factor complicates the quality control at work. “With such a broad nomenclature it is impossible to control it (quality - approx. VIEW),” the vice-premier believes.

He also noted that the space industry needs to be put in order and, first, formulate clear goals in space exploration. “We need to establish an elementary order in the head,” Rogozin stressed.

He added that in the space industry it is unclear who is the customer and who is the performer, which also needs to be corrected. Rogozin cited the situation with the defense industry as an example, where the customer is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the contractor is the industry. "And in Roscosmos, who is the customer and who is the performer?" - the deputy prime minister asked himself.

The situation in the Russian space industry is not as critical as it may seem at first glance, the deputy prime minister said.

“We do not have a systemic crisis in the space industry,” said Rogozin.

According to him, to restore order in the industry, it is necessary to solve problems in a number of individual enterprises. “It is necessary to intervene urgently, there are problems at some enterprises,” said the Deputy Prime Minister.

In his opinion, the main ills of Russian space are a large percentage of manual labor in enterprises, their low equipment and high average age of personnel.

According to Rogozin, it is necessary to introduce high quality technologies and, if possible, replace manual labor. “This is how Europeans work, Americans work this way, and we will now move on to this,” Rogozin stressed.

He added that he was not afraid of problems in the space industry and was ready to deal with them effectively. “I’m not afraid of these horrors after four years of work at NATO,” the Deputy Prime Minister said.

3 trillion rubles from 20 trillion directed to the state armaments program up to 2020 was allocated for updating the technical base of Russian industry enterprises, Rogozin said.

"3 trillion rubles, we are now throwing it on the purchase of modern equipment and the creation of its own production," - said Rogozin.

According to him, the main problem of the Russian industry in the fields of defense and space is obsolete machines and equipment plants.

“The main problem that I would like to say is the technical backwardness of our industry,” Rogozin stressed.

The State Armaments Program, which is scheduled for implementation before 2020, will be implemented, Rogozin said.

“We have two tasks. The first is the State Armaments Program. It will be completed by the 2020 year, and we are really modernizing the Armed Forces: they will have 70% share of the new weapons, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister.

“The second task is at the expense of the funds we invest in the industry, we are pushing it forward, and this industry is starting to move. New capacities appear, new personnel appear, ”Rogozin noted.

Speaking about the problem areas of the military-industrial complex, Rogozin called "special chemistry, special powder". “Chemical plants are in a difficult situation. Now we are updating them. It will take two to three years, ”he said.

According to Rogozin, "in a difficult situation, the industry of small weapons". “I am going to take the Prime Minister to Klimovsk. There we have our head enterprise - the developer of small arms “TsNIItochmash”, - he said.

Designers, technologists and operators work in one laboratory. According to the vice-premier, jointly created "new types of weapons: a new pistol, a new sniper rifle - they are the best in Europe, in Europe there are none like we have just made."
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  1. Trance
    Trance 12 September 2012 07: 42
    10
    Yes, yes, that's just what we miss! wassat
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 12 September 2012 08: 06
      +3
      Rogozin is already starting to annoy with his super-floodlights.
      Not a day without his next idea.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 12 September 2012 08: 56
        -5
        enemy? Russia? what annoy her successes?
        1. sv-sakh
          sv-sakh 12 September 2012 10: 50
          +2
          Success? Do you regard the words as success?
          So far, the objective reality is that our bases on earth are in poor condition and with equipment in need of modernization.
          Maybe enough to fly in the clouds? and engage in the modernization of earth technology, earth bases and establish accident-free flights into this very space?
          1. Funker1981
            Funker1981 12 September 2012 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: sv-sakh
            to engage in the modernization of earth technology, earth bases and to establish accident-free flights into this very space?

            This is what Rogozin actually offers, and the base on the moon, as an indicator in the future, of what happened.
          2. Bashkaus
            12 September 2012 18: 13
            -2
            What are you! on the contrary, he thinks progressively. Judge for yourself, on the moon, gravity is 6 times less. What does it mean? The fact that the properties of the plaster that will cover the lunar buildings can be safely diluted 6 times. Then it will fall away with intensity like on the ground, and the rollback is 6 times higher))
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 September 2012 09: 10
        +5
        there is nothing wrong with the fact that a person offers to strive for something
        1. kuzmich
          kuzmich 12 September 2012 09: 13
          -2
          I agree, the base on the moon sounds proudly. I AM FOR !!! smile
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 09: 54
            +1
            Quote: kuzmich

            I agree, the base on the moon sounds proud. I'm FOR !!

            Sounds is the main word, that's just like we were not going to Mars for a long time hi
            1. cool.cube2012
              cool.cube2012 12 September 2012 11: 10
              0
              power has already got its false distracting slogans. Another cut grandmother. There were no patriots in power, only hucksters and traitors.
        2. Bronis
          Bronis 12 September 2012 09: 47
          +1
          There is nothing bad, of course. But Rogozin himself says that it is necessary to clearly formulate goals and objectives for the space industry. And why do we need a station in the orbit of the moon? "Jump spaceport?" Where? On what? When? And how much will that cost? There is none of this in his statement. And he made different statements, up to the point that we may not need new strategic bombers, tk. they cannot overcome enemy air defense systems. Etc. This raises a question. Isn't Rogozin always in control of his statements? It seems that, nevertheless, it controls perfectly. Such statements have their target audience. For example, according to PAK YES, it is more of a signal to developers not to raise the price and terms too much. With the "lunar program" - a similar situation. It is necessary to somehow correct the image and create informational reasons in the media. They say there are problems, but the future is optimistic. And in parallel, "Breezes" are withdrawn. The reality is that yes, the Moon is like "Before the Moon". But this does not mean that you need to publicly pull your hair out, cry and moan. Everything can be corrected if desired. He does everything right. It is not for nothing that he had such a "populist" (in a good sense) position - plenipotentiary envoy to NATO. The experience of statements of this kind is from there.
      3. Igorboss16
        Igorboss16 12 September 2012 14: 37
        0
        the main thing is that they would go only for the good of our country, and not vice versa, but in general it’s time for the moon to be explored closely, and there you look at the experience and we’ll master the neighboring planets, and this opens up great opportunities fellow
      4. ver_
        ver_ 2 January 2019 09: 37
        0
        ... however, urine hit him in the head ... maybe together with a pot ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 08: 24
      +9
      Quote: Trance

      Yes, yes, that's just what we miss!

      I suggest to go on and create a base right in the sun, there will be no problems with heat - we’ll fly at night winked
      1. Trance
        Trance 12 September 2012 08: 53
        +3
        Alexander Romanov,I suggest to go on and create a base right in the sun, there will be no problems with heat - we’ll fly at night

        Good morning everyone wink

        Alexander, no comment drinks
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 12 September 2012 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: Trance
      Yes, yes, that's just what we miss!

      In Roskosmos, probably, their bellies were torn from laughter .......... laughing
      1. Karish
        Karish 12 September 2012 08: 42
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        In Roscosmos, probably, their bellies were torn from laughter ...

        Why, everything is very serious, they sharpen the floor and axes. The work on cutting and cutting has to be serious. Again * Breeze * can be pushed at the z-th price.
      2. Trance
        Trance 12 September 2012 08: 55
        0
        nycsson,In Roskosmos, probably, their bellies were torn from laughter ..........

        Alexey, I won’t be surprised if someone cried hi
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 12 September 2012 09: 35
          +1
          Quote: Trance
          Alexey, I won’t be surprised if someone cried

          That's for sure! As they say there: I hasten to laugh at everything, otherwise, I would have to cry! In my opinion, Petrosyan is quoting someone ........ hi
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 September 2012 09: 11
        0
        and what's so funny? share a laugh together
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 12 September 2012 09: 54
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          and what's so funny? share a laugh together

          Never mind.......... hi
    4. mongoose
      mongoose 12 September 2012 08: 56
      +2
      I agree and it is not enough laughing such a program will give impetus to the development of technology, the re-equipment of specialized enterprises, which will positively affect both the Russian economy and its defense capabilities, raise the prestige of engineering professions and simply give a tremendous impetus to the country and increase the welfare of society
      1. spender
        spender 12 September 2012 09: 23
        +4
        Not an article, but a set of quotations pulled out of context and the result is something satirical and humorous with a heavy aftertaste. For some reason, after reading, the "pearls" of V.S. Chernomyrdin, who will remain the unsurpassed leader of this genre for a long time to come.
        Climbed on an Internet and here are Rogozin's theses:
        “The situation is really complicated. We always believed that we live in a space power, which had the first satellite, the first astronaut in near-Earth space, we achieved great success, and then suddenly over the past year and a half seven accidents. Six last year and one in August this year, "

        «If you seriously understand the whole story, it is clear that the quality of the products is not the cause, but the result, the boil that jumps up, but it is not necessary to treat the boil, but the reasons that led to its appearance»

        “The question arose of the need for deep reform, but where to start it? With the struggle for quality? That's right, it is necessary, of course, but only this will not achieve much. The main task now is one - Russia must finally formulate what it wants from outer space, determine its strategic goals»

        “And already under these super tasks, the economy, holdings, sub-holdings, and much more should be formed. It is necessary to set one super-task, three tasks of the second row, five tasks of the third row and so on. Then it will become clear what kind of launch systems we need, engines, rockets of small, medium, heavy, superheavy classes, from which cosmodromes they should start. It’s necessary to establish an elementary order in the head

        I will not hide: I am not a professional in the space industry. But my professional task is to think and act systemically. It is from the point of view of a systematic approach that I would suggest proceeding with the solution of a super-task, which may seem fantastic now. For example, to create a lunar base»

        “We learned to work in near-Earth space, as part of the International Space Station. Why not try to make a large station, which would be on a natural satellite of the Earth, and from there to carry out the same work that is being done on the ISS? This is an interesting scientific and technical task, if it is solved, it will draw fundamental and applied research. This will be the basis for further breakthrough solutions. This is my suggestion. There may be other proposals, one must argue, these values ​​must be created. This is a big prestigious political task. And personally, it seems to me that we can solve it»


        I'm not a big fan of this populist, but in my opinion everything is said reasonably hi
        1. carver
          carver 12 September 2012 09: 30
          0
          yes, I agree the article against the background of a specific speech looks mockingly. But the attitude of the members of the forum towards the theses greatly surprised me.
          1. spender
            spender 12 September 2012 09: 36
            +2
            Quote: carver
            But the attitude of the members of the forum towards the theses greatly surprised me.

            Well, what can you do? someone has a good mood and he is humorous, someone is bad and rushing sarcasm, someone is completely depressed or hangover and full of bile ... smile
            Man is weak and subject to mood and life circumstances. hi
            By the way, this is just my purely philistine opinion, but I believe that space exploration should have begun (after mastering controlled flights) with the creation of the Lunar Base, and not be exchanged for pictures of Mars and Venus. Everyone knows that you must go carefully through uncharted territory, in small steps, so as not to fall through and get bogged down, and not by jumps and leaps hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 09: 58
              +2
              Quote: spender
              from the creation of the lunar base, and not exchanged for pictures of Mars and Venus

              Hi Aleksey, everything is clear with the base on the moon, but it’s like we were going to Mars and there we wanted to build a base or swelled into the project and fly to the moon request
              1. spender
                spender 12 September 2012 10: 03
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                everything is clear with the base on the moon, but we seemed to be going to Mars and there we wanted to build a base or swelled into the project and fly to the moon

                So scientific research on the creation of rockets, marsing (lunar landing, privileging), the organization of access to the ground, etc. does not disappear, it simply adapts to the conditions of the planet, so that the money is not wasted.
                You just need to start running in practice taking into account the prepared rescue operation ... It seems to me that it is better to do it on the moon than to lose astronauts on Mars, etc., IMHO hi
                New without "jambs" usually does not work
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 10: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: spender
                  I think this is better to do on the moon than to lose astronauts on Mars, etc., IMHO
                  New without "jambs" usually does not work

                  All this will not be lost, but it is much more efficient to invest money in one project, rather than spreading it in heaps. We will cut off the Masian project and start the lunar one, we had to deal with the moon right away, it would have been a long time ago.
                  1. spender
                    spender 12 September 2012 10: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    All this will not be lost, but it is much more efficient to invest money in one project, rather than spreading it in heaps. We will cut off the Masian project and start the lunar one, we had to deal with the moon right away, it would have been a long time ago.

                    Well, here, as always, we have "Swing for a ruble, a blow for a pretty penny." wink It's just that it has long been known that scientists, for the most part, are big "dreamers" give them free rein, they will begin to develop a flight to a neighboring galaxy, and therefore it is necessary to set a specific task for them otherwise "thoughts will spread along the tree." Why did the USSR have successes, because the task was to get ahead of the amers in space flights ... As a result, our first satellite, our first cosmonaut, but the Moon did not work out, and we did not want to be the second, although the first lunar rover was also ours. Then the bacchanalia began, then the lack of money, then the sea of ​​money, but there are no specialists, skills are lost and hence only theoretical developments of flights to all planets, etc. wassat
                    Now they have come to their senses, looked around, and the Chinese and amers are preparing for the exploration of the moon and our heads, scratching their heads in my opinion, are "harnessed" to the lunar space race. Trouble is it for Russia or Happiness time will tell !!! winked
                    At one time, the arms race contributed to the collapse of the USSR recourse
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 10: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: spender
                      and therefore it is necessary to set a specific task before them, otherwise "thoughts will spread along the tree."

                      So it seems like there was a specific task — a manned flight to Mars, it seems that even the deadlines were called and then UPS — we go to the moon belay
                      Quote: spender
                      Now they come to their senses, looked around, and the Chinese and Amers are preparing for the exploration of the moon

                      The proverb is reminded about a long time we’ll prohibit, maybe the apparatus that was prepared for Mars will be launched to the Moon, the information is not enough real.
                      Quote: spender
                      At one time, the arms race contributed to the collapse of the USSR

                      Now the arms race has contributed to the inevitable and imminent collapse of the United States. negative
                    2. Armata
                      Armata 12 September 2012 10: 37
                      +3
                      Quote: spender
                      It's just that it has long been known that scientists, for the most part, are big "dreamers" give them free rein, they will begin to develop a flight to a neighboring galaxy, and therefore it is necessary to set a specific task for them otherwise "thoughts will spread along the tree."
                      Hello to all. Lech did not go on such topics. otherwise you get the integral theorem laughing .
                      1. spender
                        spender 12 September 2012 10: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Steam Train
                        Lech did not go on such topics. otherwise you get the integral theorem

                        They are "belligerent" dreamers, especially those that are connected with steam lines, apparently close communication with great pressure is not in vain wassat
                        Opponents are pressed only "steam is coming" winked
              2. Retx
                Retx 12 September 2012 10: 29
                +2
                Alexander, Mars - it's not so simple. There, 1/3 gravity from ours is the atmosphere, and these are problems for return! Hence the conclusion: you need to send a large apparatus capable of delivering, supporting life support on the surface of the planet and returning it to Earth. As I think, such a colossus will be collected in orbit from modules and blocks.
                And the Moon holds many secrets and mysteries, and besides - an excellent training ground and a scientific platform.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 10: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: RETX
                  And the moon holds many secrets and mysteries, and besides - an excellent training ground and a scientific platform

                  Yes, there are a lot of riddles, on TV a lot of programs are devoted to this topic. But the question is, when will we fly?
                  1. Retx
                    Retx 12 September 2012 10: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    But the question is, when will we fly?

                    A rocket launcher is needed. Calculate and evaluate everything, otherwise we will get 3 dead astronauts, God forbid! Let the pieces of iron break! Here are the people ...
                    By the way, Buran gathered to reanimate! Now the picture is clear with all these interplanetary flights smile
              3. igor67
                igor67 12 September 2012 11: 12
                +1
                Alexander Romanov,
                Romanovich, and with the base on the moon, not everything is so smooth, probably already half of the moon has been sold off to the plots, will be dragged by ships if they
                1. Funker1981
                  Funker1981 12 September 2012 14: 51
                  0
                  Well, nothing, we will also learn to breed "democracy" on the good uchtakas of the land ....)))
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 September 2012 10: 58
          +1
          Plus you! What Rogozin said really makes sense. With a clearly defined goal, even if it is a little fantastic now, it will be clear where to go and what is needed for this. There will be fewer throws from one extreme to the other.
  2. 1tankist
    1tankist 12 September 2012 07: 44
    0
    Oh, to realize all the plans, thoughts and progressive ideas in practice.
    Unfortunately, intent, without design is fiction.
    But we must pay tribute to the steps in this direction are already being implemented in practice. And with the support and political will of the government, it will be much easier to promote all this.
  3. Trailer
    Trailer 12 September 2012 07: 44
    +1
    “Why not try working in microgravity,” said Rogozin. wassat

    “Russia must formulate what it wants from space,” Rogozin said. wassat

    “We do not have a systemic crisis in the space industry,” said Rogozin. wassat

    we push it forward and this industry starts to move Gorbachev from God, our Dmitry Rogozin. What is not a phrase, then in a collection of aphorisms.

    Replace him and Serdyukov, maybe that will change for now: we look at distant stars through the roof of a holey house
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 12 September 2012 07: 56
      0
      I will support, Karavan.
      The feeling that Dmitry R. and I read the same books for a couple in childhood - Ray Bradbury, Lem's Magellanic Clouds, The Land of Crimson Clouds.
      ..
      To such a projection statement - there would also be provision - in the form of a mass of orders. In the form of increased training, reformatting of this moronic education system.
      ..
      The delivery of weapons, laying new ones - that’s not all. There must be a system.
      As we will see - the system - it will be possible to rejoice.
      In the meantime - only "... ovations, turning into prolonged applause ...".
      Etc.
      "... the roof of a house full of holes .." - aptly.
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 12 September 2012 08: 05
        -1
        By the way, what is new in shipbuilding?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 08: 14
          +3
          Quote: Karavan

          By the way, what is new in shipbuilding?

          We send to metal BDK hi
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 12 September 2012 08: 29
            +1
            All in the best English traditions of the construction of aircraft carriers!
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 12 September 2012 08: 38
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We send to metal BDK

            This is closer to the realities of our life ...... crying
            1. mongoose
              mongoose 12 September 2012 09: 01
              0
              Russia is not the USSR, and if it is still financially comparable, then there is no demographic, and there is no way to spend half of the GDP (not Putin laughing ) the maintenance of the armed forces and the navy, and modern Russia does not put a military conquest of the world, and does not give weapons to the Maghreb and other Papuans
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 12 September 2012 09: 37
                +1
                Quote: mongoose
                and modern Russia doesn’t put a military conquest of the world,

                But the whole world sets such a goal in relation to Russia .......
          3. mongoose
            mongoose 12 September 2012 08: 59
            +1
            ships are born live and die, physically and mentally, or are you going to land in Alaska?
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 10: 00
            +3
            What minusculers have nothing to cover, we just put the cons, you are the true patriots of the country, it's just a pity that in words and not in deeds.
            1. FID
              FID 12 September 2012 10: 12
              +3

              "That there is nothing to cover for the minus players, we just put the minuses, you are the true patriots of the country, it's just a pity that in words and not in deeds."

              It even becomes somewhat unpleasant. One such person will jump out, competent and forward. And the five-year plans were bad and the leaders of the bloodsucker ... Very unpleasant. And after all, he poor fellow and have nothing to say.

        2. FID
          FID 12 September 2012 08: 15
          +2
          How do you not know? MISTRALS. Here is a new word in our shipbuilding!
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 12 September 2012 08: 40
            +2
            Quote: SSI
            MISTRALS.

            At the same to support the friendly economy of France ......... wassat
            With ours, everything is in order ......... wassat
            They are clowns, and only, all the people of Russia are laughing at them ........ wassat
            1. FID
              FID 12 September 2012 08: 53
              +2
              As for France - that's the point. I have already opposed this way once. French shipbuilders support us at our expense. I, the Communist, support the solidarity of the proletariat, but not to the same extent!
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 12 September 2012 09: 25
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                but not to the same extent!

                This support borders on betrayal ........ hi
            2. mongoose
              mongoose 12 September 2012 09: 07
              -1
              Well, are you up to date with the shipbuilding program? and loading our shipyards? or do you want to produce everything yourself? trousers will not fall? or do you want someone else to pay for it? but not you?
              or did you leave to defend Syria? Libya? Have you been to Serbia ???
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 12 September 2012 09: 32
                +1
                Quote: mongoose
                Well, are you up to date with the shipbuilding program?

                Which on paper .....?
                Quote: mongoose
                and loading our shipyards?

                Yeah, the Vietnamese watchmen .........

                Quote: mongoose
                or do you want to produce everything yourself?

                And why not?
                Quote: mongoose
                trousers will not fall?

                Well before they didn’t fall ........
                Quote: mongoose
                or do you want someone else to pay for it? but not you?

                And who should pay for it! I do not understand the humor ....... wassat
                1. FID
                  FID 12 September 2012 09: 38
                  +2
                  It somehow becomes sad when such people appear on the forum .... Anyone ... to hurt. It's like in a chicken coop. No constructive. There are objections - write, justify, and so ....
              2. Armata
                Armata 12 September 2012 10: 54
                +5
                Quote: mongoose

                Well, are you up to date with the shipbuilding program?
                I know. The year ends and from the 40 declared on paper really how many have come down?
                Quote: mongoose
                and loading our shipyards?
                On loading shipyards, read comments about the write-off of the BDK. There I wrote down how many percent they and KB are loaded.
                Quote: mongoose
                or do you want to produce everything yourself? trousers will not fall?

                I want and know what we can. And the pants will not fall. Just do not order projects of new MOs. What can I say?
                Quote: mongoose
                or do you want someone else to pay for it? but not you?
                Want. But as a bona fide taxpayer, I also wish that my money should not be spent on government mercy, but to ensure the security of Russia.
                Quote: mongoose
                or did you leave to defend Syria? Libya? Have you been to Serbia ???
                Have you been there? Something is not like. Only a surge is visible without knowledge of the topic. My advice to you. first delve into, collect the facts, and only then so vehemently try to oppose.
          2. mongoose
            mongoose 12 September 2012 09: 02
            -2
            really new, out at Dzhugashvilli not hesitated to rip off equipment from enemies and nothing.
        3. Funker1981
          Funker1981 12 September 2012 15: 16
          0
          Quote: Karavan
          By the way, what is new in shipbuilding?


          1) What do you have under the new, ships or technology?
          2) "We have" who has it? (you have Kazakhstan flag)
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 12 September 2012 08: 58
      +1
      replace? on nemtsov? Edichka? Or immediately to the women with Alekseeva?
      aaa on zyuganova laughing
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 September 2012 09: 12
      0
      I don’t know about you, but my roof is not full of holes
  4. GHG
    GHG 12 September 2012 07: 57
    +1
    “This will be the basis for further jumps and hops,” Rogozin said on the air of the Vesti FM radio station on Tuesday, RIA Novosti reports.
    Where to jump, where to jump? With current technology and at a similar pace, I am afraid and I will not live to fly to Mars. Of course, it is necessary to work in this direction ... BUT ... how much money has already been hammered in, but actually we fly on a modernized one, but developed half a century ago. A budget, like space, does not exist without "black holes" Spraying money into many programs does not give the desired effect ... consider that we are marking time.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 12 September 2012 08: 06
      0
      Quote: GES
      With current technology and at a similar pace, I’m afraid I won’t live until the flight to Mars


      Everyone would have your problems!
      1. GHG
        GHG 12 September 2012 08: 37
        0
        My age allows me so far (33), but I also doubt that I will survive. Despite the fact that in our family men with natural mortality live on average up to 90 years.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 12 September 2012 11: 19
          0
          if you quit smoking, you will survive
    2. Armata
      Armata 12 September 2012 08: 52
      0
      Quote: GES
      Where to jump? Where to jump?
      For joy, how many dibs go for free. Launch a log house to the moon. Here you have the base. A scream will be like a breakthrough. laughing
      1. sazhka0
        sazhka0 12 September 2012 10: 35
        +1
        The main thing is when you jump you don’t know where to land .. Alas ..
    3. mongoose
      mongoose 12 September 2012 09: 14
      -3
      up, or is it better to divide and eat everything? then they will eat us up, or in the first five years we’ll have to tear the veins and kill our own people
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 12 September 2012 11: 21
        0
        GHGif you quit smoking you will survive
  5. FID
    FID 12 September 2012 07: 57
    +6
    Rogozin is a journalist by profession. When will the professionals come? Jumping and Jumping is good for morning exercises. and in space exploration - a systematic movement aimed at .... Next, a program for space exploration should be formulated. "There are no problems in the industry ..." Here he is right - there is no industry and there are no problems in it. But there is Popovkin and this is the main problem! In astronautics, as in aviation, some managers who have not studied economic courses have come to the management of the industry, who manage cash flows, not forgetting about their own pocket, but who do not know a damn about technology. Thus, unnecessary planes appear, falling satellites, etc. etc. It's sad. But we must develop at least what is left. Otherwise, we, as a state, have a pipe!
    1. Armata
      Armata 12 September 2012 08: 15
      +2
      Sergey I agree completely. good It is such a fact that dreamers with an economic bias have gathered in the defense industry complex, the Moscow region and the Russian Space Agency. We read it as children's literature, played a lot of Chinese tanks and planes in childhood, and they think it's cool.
      1. FID
        FID 12 September 2012 08: 54
        +2
        Greetings, Eugene! I completely agree with you!
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 12 September 2012 08: 32
      +1
      Sergey agrees 100%, but without the idea the movement is impossible, if the journalist were supported, then that would be normal, but if now what happens, they are fired from work, although no one is safe from mistakes, including the Americans. cherish and give them the opportunity to develop, and cherish the leading engineers like the apple of an eye.
      1. FID
        FID 12 September 2012 08: 51
        +4
        Here is the last pearl of our highest leadership (DAM): collectives must respond materially. So you think - the workers of the defense industry enterprises get so little, and even financially responsible for the failures, largely related to the collapse of the industry .... Maybe Dmitry Anatolyevich had in mind that the entire staff (labor, naturally) of the government headed by him would be financially responsible ? Then it's to the point! Let them collectively answer!
        1. sazhka0
          sazhka0 12 September 2012 09: 22
          +3
          Not necessarily .. the main thing is to "say" and frown, wrinkle your forehead. And all you are already VGK. Stunned!
          DON'T SEE "esaul". He would argue in detail the necessity and necessity.)))
          1. Armata
            Armata 12 September 2012 10: 20
            +3
            Quote: sazhka0
            DON'T SEE "esaul". He would argue in detail the necessity and necessity.)))
            Yeah. Yesterday I threw such arguments about the sale of the BDK type. Well, see, maybe not all is lost. laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 10: 25
              +4
              Quote: sazhka0
              DON'T SEE "esaul".

              Quote: Steam Train
              About the sale of BDK type. Well, see, maybe not all is lost

              Hi Zhenya, of course, not everything is lost, metal will remain laughing
              1. Armata
                Armata 12 September 2012 10: 39
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Of course, not everything is lost, metal will remain

                Hi Sanya. Yeah, and right on the moon base. laughing
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 September 2012 12: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Steam Train
                  . Yeah, and right on the moon base.

                  Which the Chinese are going to build laughing
        2. Armata
          Armata 12 September 2012 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: SSI
          collectively must respond collectively.
          We are already responding. For any trifling (for example, in the sketches did not indicate the diameter of the riveting), the jamb only has time to count how the bonuses fly. laughing
  6. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 12 September 2012 08: 06
    0
    Why in orbit? Gorazo is easier on the surface. and more space. and there is weak gravity, and Helium-3 can be used as fuel.
    1. cvx
      cvx 12 September 2012 08: 43
      -1
      Really incomprehensible. Rogozin proposed creating a station in the orbit of the moon, and not on its surface. And here this inappropriate illustration.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 12 September 2012 09: 57
        +1
        Everything is clear here.
        An exceptional way to throw all failures into ... the orbit of the moon.
        The libration points can be attributed - there are three of them - in the Earth-Moon system.
        Yes, and it sounds - seriously, so, solidly - the orbit of the moon.
        ..
        As in the movie "Wedding in Malinovka" - bam, bam ... and by.
        Etc.
        Here is Tranzhira in 09: 23, above, posted a selection - from Rogozin's speeches.
        Everything is clear, everything is clear - people are really trying to figure it out and do something.
        Even if .. saw.
        ..
        And such, cracking notes - they make him .. a buffoon, some kind.
        He says about the system.
        Right.
        There will be a SYSTEM - we will rejoice.
        And where we will deploy the station, it will be seen. He suggested one friend - to wet in the outhouse. Things went, as we see.
        I hope - and here it goes.
        ..
        ..
        I read a little. Not three libration points, Lagrange. And five. And two of them - just in the orbit of the moon.
        These are the points where the mutual attraction of the Earth-Moon is balanced.
  7. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 12 September 2012 08: 18
    -1
    some nonsense ... why not on Mars
  8. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 12 September 2012 08: 18
    +1
    Rogozin proposed to create a base in the orbit of the moon


    All the same, Rogozin is a very modest man!
    After all, he could offer to create a Space Lift!
  9. Karish
    Karish 12 September 2012 08: 26
    +5
    Not knowing how you, but I remember the arrival of Rogozin and that huge amount of enthusiastic comments about the coming of the next messiah. The people simply choked with saliva in awe, completely noting timid remarks like - Rogozin is not a specialist, he is a journalist. At a post in Brussels, in addition to planting poplar, he did not show himself, etc.
    In the last six months, endless statements have been heard and .... zilch. The most interesting thing from time to time is that these statements are more and more fantastic. Honestly already starting to annoy. Sometimes it’s better to chew than talk, preferably while doing something.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 12 September 2012 08: 33
      0
      Quote: Karish
      In the last six months, endless statements have been heard and .... zilch.

      Yes, he doesn’t affect anything there at all, he only has to do that to shake the air ..........
      Quote: Karish
      The most interesting thing is that from time to time these statements are more and more fantastic. Honestly already starting to annoy.

      Well, this is in order for some to begin to DRAW here, saying that we should build this base as two fingers on the asphalt ........ laughing
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 September 2012 08: 28
    -1
    Of course the idea is good !! But it is very difficult to implement it (

    And Rogozin as one famous character from the work of N.V. Gogol "Dead Souls", he also wanted to build a bridge with retail outlets across the lake!))))
  11. nycsson
    nycsson 12 September 2012 08: 30
    +1
    I didn’t even read the article! From the name it’s clear that this is complete nonsense! And he did not wonder how much it would cost?
    First you need to create your base in orbit ............
    Well and most importantly, Russia has enough other golovnyakov, except for the base on the moon .......
    As soon as the price of oil falls, we will immediately begin to build ........ laughing
    Such nonsense .......... negative
    1. sazhka0
      sazhka0 12 September 2012 09: 02
      +1
      To begin with, hold a gas pipeline to the village .. (well, here's a choice)
      Joke (old)
      A meeting in the Central Committee .. We decided to send astronauts to the Sun .. But they will burn there .. The Central Committee is not stupid ... Fly at night ..
      Bravo!!!
  12. valokordin
    valokordin 12 September 2012 08: 37
    0
    I do not want to comment on commentators, but if Korolev S.P. I didn’t dream of launching a man into space, of flying to the moon, then there would be nothing. A dream is an incentive to move forward. Good morning everyone.
    1. FID
      FID 12 September 2012 09: 03
      +1
      Good morning, Vladimir! A dream is wonderful! It’s bad when they start dreaming about walking in patent leather boots (people in the tarpaulin boots are more sensitive and dreamy, I think so) and teach you how to live, you don’t have to do anything, everything has already been done, and if necessary, we will buy labor productivity from foreigners .... And so on ad infinitum!
  13. sazhka0
    sazhka0 12 September 2012 08: 42
    +4
    Yeah ... The Far East "mastered", The roads in the country are beautiful, Health at the "level" (Somalia) And everything is so good ... Really, but what to do with the money ??? Only to the moon .. ZASHIBIS !!! BRAVO!!! Glory to the Great Pu ... No one had enough mind before him ... Glory ..
    1. carver
      carver 12 September 2012 09: 23
      -2
      Hear a smart guy, you would undergo free medical treatment, as in Russia, otherwise a friend began to lament me after he underwent medical treatment in Turkey during a "successful" vacation: - they say no, everything is not so organized here with them ... I told him only one argument: - now, if you yourself paid 10 tons of bucks for your treatment, and not the insurance one, I would see how you were singing ..., but in our case, of course, you have no longer a critical operation, what happened to you have to nurse. He kept silent.

      So go stump with your medicine in Somalia.
      1. sazhka0
        sazhka0 12 September 2012 10: 44
        +3
        Are you talking about (h) that ... I don’t worry about health and grandmothers .. Grandmothers and Grandfathers feel sorry for them .. Maybe they need a base on the Moon .. What personally I deeply doubt ..
        ps And I also know how to swear. Can you believe me .. Name at least one reason to believe in this nonsense ..
        1. carver
          carver 12 September 2012 11: 01
          0
          I'm talking about healthcare which is at the "level" (Somalia)
          1. sazhka0
            sazhka0 12 September 2012 11: 28
            +3
            I was offered to do an ultrasound, but the turn is 2 (2) months. But again, "BUT". WHERE TO GET THE MONEY? So stupid and wrong .. I feel sorry and sorry ... Glory Pu ?!
      2. sazhka0
        sazhka0 12 September 2012 11: 36
        +2
        And I'm not you ..
        A warning came .. Finally .. you are just a boy with a dirty ass ..
        1. Armata
          Armata 12 September 2012 11: 47
          +1
          Quote: sazhka0
          A warning came .. Finally .. you are just a boy with a dirty ass ..
          Alexander. No need to react to unrestrained youth. They only need this to arrange srach on the site.
        2. carver
          carver 12 September 2012 12: 02
          0
          oh oh oh uncle forgive me for not recognizing the holy elder.
  14. igor67
    igor67 12 September 2012 08: 44
    +2
    as Gazmanov sings: my thoughts are my horses, as if sparks will light this night, driving the insane with the drunken wind, the squadron of my crazy thoughts!
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 12 September 2012 08: 51
      +6
      Today we fly to the moon
      For jumps to distant stars!
      Oh not easy hangover in the morning,
      It is up to the defense freaks!
      1. FID
        FID 12 September 2012 09: 05
        +3
        Steam balloon
        No wonder he took to the air ....
    2. sazhka0
      sazhka0 12 September 2012 09: 15
      +1
      That's for sure. That's right. +
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 12 September 2012 09: 28
      +1
      Quote: igor67
      as Gazmanov sings: my thoughts are my horses, as if sparks will light this night, driving the insane with the drunken wind, the squadron of my crazy thoughts!

      laughing laughing laughing good
  15. datur
    datur 12 September 2012 08: 48
    +2
    Hmm, it’s something that he smoked apparently !!!! belay repeat wink
  16. Slevinst
    Slevinst 12 September 2012 08: 49
    +1
    Rogozin apparently read my commentary on an article about the base on the moon of the Americans, I don’t know why you all laugh, right now the trend is towards whoever has the first base on the moon will have more weight in the world. The United States will always be our enemy; they need the resources we have and we need to protect them. a base on the moon is what you need, someone must start space exploration sooner or later and it is better to be the first. I may have read fiction, but 20 leagues under the sea also once were fantastic. in general, you need to strive for the stars and not sit on one planet and wait for when all of humanity can die in an instant
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 12 September 2012 09: 17
      -1
      I agree, water does not flow under a lying stone, take China, before the era of scientific and technological revolution, they, together with India, gave more than 50% of world GDP, calmed down, became colonies, woke up, look at them now
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 12 September 2012 09: 40
      -1
      Quote: Slevinst
      about the base on the moon of the Americans

      One thing - On the moon, another in its orbit ....
      1. sazhka0
        sazhka0 12 September 2012 11: 13
        +1
        Sincerely .. Letters "e" and "e". Love the Russian Language.
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 12 September 2012 14: 47
          0
          I can, I Tsuska - non-Russian ... (on the flag) Sincerely.
  17. Roman 75
    Roman 75 12 September 2012 08: 59
    0
    "Dunno on the Moon"?
    Or "Lunatic from the OPK"?
    What is better to call Rogozin now?
  18. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 12 September 2012 09: 01
    0
    Interestingly, the Law of the Russian Federation extends into orbit ???
    1. sazhka0
      sazhka0 12 September 2012 11: 40
      0
      From the past .. We need Peace ..)))
  19. geptilshik
    geptilshik 12 September 2012 09: 03
    +2
    The base is needed, Rogozin is not needed
  20. sazhka0
    sazhka0 12 September 2012 09: 06
    0
    What turbidity .. Guys and you Where you live. ?
  21. carver
    carver 12 September 2012 09: 10
    0
    I do not understand the laughter *** of many members of the forum ... Yes, Rogozin may say something like it is not an "adult", but in the main he is right if we do not set global goals, we will stagnate. And this is the only correct approach.
    1. FID
      FID 12 September 2012 09: 19
      +2
      Yes, global goals - who is against it !? It’s just that it’s not going beyond conversations! Yes, and more figures - 2020,2025,2050, etc. I am pleased and pleased to welcome ANY achievements of our country. But where are they? Against this background, these very funny ......
      1. carver
        carver 12 September 2012 09: 34
        -1
        that is, you don’t need to set goals ??? By the way, Rogozin did not set goals, but made a proposal to set them at last, in order to see what we are striving for in space exploration. And now the entire space program is the launch of commercial cargo.
        1. FID
          FID 12 September 2012 09: 45
          +2
          Yes, you need to set goals, you need! But in voicing Rogozin, they somehow do not look very good. It seems that Rogozin was specially set to fail. If you really need to reform the industry, then you need to reform it, and not do it ... Manilov did this well. It’s just that when it’s necessary to do business, there’s no financing at all or something. And the grander the goal - the more honorable its achievement!
          1. carver
            carver 12 September 2012 10: 02
            0
            Tranzhira posted a speech that Rogozin really spoke. And I don’t see anything funny in it, so before you slander someone you need to read what the person really said. But then all the Mlyn’s awesome Petrosyans read the written article with the shit (although I put it for the general message) and let us practice in the humoresques without noticing (or perhaps understanding) that, in general, they are demeaning and trashing their homeland and particular achievements and further development opportunities in space exploration.
      2. Trailer
        Trailer 12 September 2012 10: 49
        0
        Let us in all light the real successes of the military industry! And then, only plans, phrases, graphics!
    2. sazhka0
      sazhka0 12 September 2012 11: 08
      +1
      Well, probably "Buran" was not enough .. So they took away everything they reached ..
  22. Slevinst
    Slevinst 12 September 2012 09: 16
    0
    sazhka0explain
  23. Fox
    Fox 12 September 2012 09: 18
    0
    "... and then Ostap suffered ..." Ilf and Petrov.
  24. baltika-18
    baltika-18 12 September 2012 09: 24
    0
    I get the impression that Rogozin purposefully began to untwist. Not a day does not do without his loud statements, flashes on the TV. Although he says, in principle, nonsense, "the base in the moon's orbit for jumps and jumps." Where to jump and jump gathered. At the current level space technology, when it is a year and a half to fly to Mars, the nearest planet. Perhaps new engines have been invented. Manual labor in the space industry: but there are piece machines, a conveyor belt, the same is not entirely clear.
    1. Mugs
      Mugs 12 September 2012 09: 53
      +2
      And I got a similar impression. I am glad that, finally, all of Rogozin’s statements were no longer accepted with a bang, a couple of weeks ago they were severely minuscated for his criticism.
      If all this is propaganda, even for some good purpose, it is extremely annoying and clearly not aimed at rational people.
      Deeds need to increase the feeling of patriotism, instill pride in the State, and not empty words.
  25. Odessa
    Odessa 12 September 2012 09: 39
    +3
    Rogozin proposed to create a base in the orbit of the moon

    And appoint Taburetkina as the headquarters. Then the problem will be solved. wassat
    1. nik6006
      nik6006 12 September 2012 10: 20
      +2
      In any case, with furniture at the base, then everything will be all right laughing
  26. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 12 September 2012 09: 46
    0
    Well, if up there nobody can decide and formulate goals, why not Rogozin? It is an ambitious, promising and solvable task.
  27. killganoff
    killganoff 12 September 2012 09: 52
    +4
    Ass without panties, then we are on the moon! First, let them deal with internal problems, and then they are going to the moon! The homeland is dying out, paid medicine and education, an army without weapons and no one to defend, and they are inventing new opportunities for cutting the budget! Already tired of their pseudosciences and pseudo-achievements! For example: in interplanetary space there is not a single device with Russian symbols, there is only the Coat of Arms and the Flag of the USSR. The first fully automatic take-off and landing was performed by the Energia-Buran complex back on November 15, 1988 (the very first Baikonur cosmodrome, the world's largest). The Americans 25 years later were able to send the unmanned vehicle X-37B into space and take it to Vandenberg airbase. I wonder how much effort will be required for our kingdom-state to achieve such significant success? ...
  28. volcano
    volcano 12 September 2012 09: 58
    +1
    Cool thought ... no doubt .... but why not on the surface .... this is definitely long overdue .... and technology already allows ...

    And it will turn out so that we hang out in orbit, and the amers on the surface of the base master .... and after that we will have nothing left ...
    and we hang out like r ... but in the hole.

    As for the MIRACLE OF THE GUN-AUTOMATIC-RIFLE ......... WELL AND WHERE THEY ARE ???
    Best in Europe ???
    Heckler and Koch, Glock, FN FAL .... etc. already declared bankrupt ??? or wait for what ???
  29. IPSC-2008
    IPSC-2008 12 September 2012 10: 12
    +3
    In one of H. Wells's stories (Like "The First People on the Moon"), the heroes hitting the moon encountered some kind of mushrooms. Mr. Rogozin, with all due respect to him, seems to have tried these mushrooms, or they all smell like some VIP-glue when they get upstairs. What nonsense !!!! Put Mr. Rogozin on the ground and take off his rose-colored glasses, he really has enough earthly things to do.
  30. Kobra66
    Kobra66 12 September 2012 10: 24
    +2
    Something Rogozin began to suffer Nonsense, it is necessary to restore the military-industrial complex, he wants to build a base
  31. Vanek
    Vanek 12 September 2012 10: 40
    +2
    They haven’t gone far from the 90s, but already the moon bases. No, it is of course an interesting question, but My opinion is this: first you need to think about earthly affairs. I do not mean by this that I am totally against this idea. But by and large, We have here earthly problems so far in bulk. And so, in the long run, why not.
  32. itr
    itr 12 September 2012 10: 42
    -1
    I at first thought that he was a beer alcoholic But no, apparently the dude prefers mushrooms
  33. strannik595
    strannik595 12 September 2012 11: 03
    0
    quietly rustling with slate, the roof goes slowly ........... the old woman did not have sorrow, the old woman bought a goat wink
  34. DERWISH
    DERWISH 12 September 2012 11: 14
    0
    first of all, it is necessary to create a RUSSIAN empire strong and all for the good of our people are the people the main health welfare education about the moon is a mockery!
  35. ded
    ded 12 September 2012 11: 31
    +1
    Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin spoke in favor of building a station in the Moon’s orbit, which, in his opinion, will serve as a super-goal for the Russian space industry and will help solve problems in this industry.


    I always thought that over target is:

    1. The first flight into space (here, as they say: "rubbed their nose to the whole world!")
    2. The landing of a man on the moon (completely prosrali and even today we can not (excuses that there is no money are just ridiculous))
    3. A man’s flight to another planet (if Russia wants to be a truly great space country)

    Moreover, the third point is task number 3.
    And here it is: over target is a station orbiting the Moon! It's like saying: "We don't even dream of Mars, because we cannot land on the Moon and have no idea how to take off from its surface!"
    1. carver
      carver 12 September 2012 11: 46
      0
      Well then, one must immediately set the task of flying to another star or to another galaxy. The moon as a testing ground for flights to other planets is it.
  36. escobar
    escobar 12 September 2012 11: 58
    0
    The moon is certainly healthy and promising and prestigious. But first you need to restore the prestige of the most reliable messenger in space. And it's not so simple. And dreaming is not harmful.
  37. Darck
    Darck 12 September 2012 12: 00
    0
    Rogozin proposed to create a base in the orbit of the moon

    Rogozin suggested keeping up with NASA ... that would be more correct.
  38. SSR
    SSR 12 September 2012 12: 07
    0
    um .. I hate the expression "as though" I will try to do without it.
    1. all that is related to space is dual technology.
    2. if you rewind history literally for a hundred years and look at least at the Wright brothers
    read about Mozhaisky and generally about the creation of airplanes ... you can easily find as many skeptics .. as now))) (people are stable in this)
    quote from a newspaper of those times:
    "Typical is the statement of the Scientific American magazine, which, summarizing the development of aeronautics for 1905, wrote:" Until now, the fact remains that the only successful "flying" made this year, as well as in previous ones, is possible only on devices lighter than air. "

    3. remember Gagarin’s flight and how people asked .. did he see God there? (And there’s no flight and a hundred years).
    4.or for example a dive or whatever it is into the Mariana Trench ... who needs it?
    For a long time, oceanologists considered the hypothesis that at great depths of more than 6000 meters deep, in impenetrable darkness, under monstrous, from 600 kg / sq. cm and above - by pressure and at temperatures close to zero, life can exist. However, the results of research by French scientists in the Pacific Ocean showed that in these "hellish depths", far below the 6000-meter mark, there are huge colonies of living organisms.

    I generally wanted to say something)))
    50 - one hundred years will pass ... and among our grandchildren .. the same words will sound skeptics science fiction enthusiasts and others))
    But the fact remains)))) MANKIND is forced to move forward))) and in the first place is the ocean in the second moon (IMHA) and then Mars and other space husks))) and fly to the Sun at night))) but fly) )) if in the Stone Age we will not overturn ourselves)))
    Good luck to everyone)))
  39. in reserve
    in reserve 12 September 2012 18: 40
    -1
    Rogozin is a talker for some real business, but the main thing is to say in time that the people should not be worried.
  40. Mr.Fox
    Mr.Fox 12 September 2012 22: 36
    0
    Rogozin found a place in the country ....
    This is where he wants to "try to work in microgravity" :)
  41. Astrey
    Astrey 13 September 2012 09: 26
    0
    Fresh decision. So long ago.)
  42. Esoteric
    Esoteric 15 August 2017 15: 31
    0
    According to him, The main problem of Russian industry in the defense and space sectors lies in obsolete machine tools and equipment plants.

    And he painted at least three:
    1. The tasks are not clear ... belay
    Indeed, who will formulate the tasks for space, when there is no money for a new yacht, and there is also a castle not completed ...
    2. The age of workers pre-retirement ... fellow
    I would go to the workers, let them teach me ... to live with my family for 30 rubles, when for each family member there are 000-4 thousand a month ...
    3. Manual labor ... lol
    In our banks, too, machines are not visible, but they thrive ... laughing
    The trouble is, as long as the boots begin to smack ... Nice man! Overnight, a specialist in Roscosmos will not grow out of a politician-demagogue. And before you make Americans jump on a trampoline, you need to jump yourself and understand why the missiles do not fly. And to make a strict face and correctly explain the obvious things - oh! that is yes ... fellow Here, not only seven spans is not enough ... Dare, dare ... And then they drove off the spaceport, but there is nothing to fly?