Unidentified aircraft attacked positions of pro-Iranian militia in Syria

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Unidentified aviation struck a blow at the positions of the pro-Iranian militia in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor. This is reported by the Syrian media, citing military sources.

The attack was reportedly targeted at the positions of Shiite militias located near the city of Mayadin along the Euphrates River. Unidentified aircraft or aircraft, it is not known exactly, struck a military base and positions. Several explosions are reported on the outskirts of the city. The predominantly Iraqi militia sided with the Syrian government forces and is backed by Iran.



No casualties or damage were reported, but ambulances were seen on the streets of Mayadin hurrying towards the explosions. In addition, militia fighters were put on high alert.

Data on the planes that struck, vary. According to some media reports, one plane participated in the attack, others claim that several fighters struck. There is a version of the application drone. Which of them is correct is unclear.

It is noted that at the moment neither the United States nor Israel have taken responsibility for striking the pro-Iranian militias. It should be noted that if the United States can admit to striking, then it is useless to wait from Israel, the Israel Defense Forces traditionally do not comment on foreign press publications about their operations against the SAR.
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        28 September 2021 09: 18
        neither the United States nor Israel claimed responsibility for striking the pro-Iranian militias.
        it is not profitable to take, so they did not take responsibility.
        1. +1
          28 September 2021 09: 25
          Quote: Wend
          it is not profitable to take, so they did not take responsibility.

          They just think about who they could blame. On the Russians, it seems like it does not work. And I would like to!
          1. -1
            28 September 2021 10: 35
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Wend
            it is not profitable to take, so they did not take responsibility.

            They just think about who they could blame. On the Russians, it seems like it does not work. And I would like to!

            Possible variant)
        2. +15
          28 September 2021 09: 38
          Quote: Wend
          it is not profitable to take, so they did not take responsibility.

          This is not the question, the question is why the aircraft was not identified by the air defense forces of the SAR? It's just that it is customary to make fun of the "invisibility" of airplanes, but in fact they did not detect, did not establish, they missed ...
          1. +3
            28 September 2021 09: 59
            It's just that it is customary to make fun of the "invisibility" of airplanes, but in fact they did not detect, did not establish, they missed ...

            On Idlib, ours also reported that unknown planes had struck. There is probably an agreement or they do not want to "shine" the capabilities of the complexes.
            1. +10
              28 September 2021 10: 22
              Quote: riwas
              or do not want to "shine" the capabilities of the complexes

              Or really they did not detect and identify ... I am not an expert, but I do not exclude the possibility that our air defense and missile defense systems in the SAR are not as powerful as they are written and spoken about in Zvezda ...
          2. -2
            28 September 2021 10: 23
            Quote: raw174
            why is the aircraft not identified by the air defense forces of the SAR? NS

            Well, how to do it?
            If the Transponder is disabled, this cannot be done. The radar screen will only show a target mark.
            1. +4
              28 September 2021 10: 33
              Quote: Seryoga64
              Well, how to do it?

              I don’t know, I’m not an expert in this field. Then I will rephrase the question, why did the air defense forces of the SAR not respond? The blow was inflicted by missiles, unidentified planes, at least they tried to fire at them?
              Quote: Seryoga64
              The radar screen will only show a target mark.

              Or maybe the problem is that there was no mark? ..
              1. -1
                28 September 2021 10: 37
                Quote: raw174
                Quote: Seryoga64
                Well, how to do it?

                I don’t know, I’m not an expert in this field. Then I will rephrase the question, why did the air defense forces of the SAR not respond? The blow was inflicted by missiles, unidentified planes, at least they tried to fire at them?
                Quote: Seryoga64
                The radar screen will only show a target mark.

                Or maybe the problem is that there was no mark? ..

                The fact is that there were no air defense forces.
                1. +7
                  28 September 2021 10: 54
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  The fact is that there were no air defense forces.

                  How to shoot down 22 out of 24 missiles, everything was, but how many planes and drones still not. It looks a lot like underpants and a cross. lol
              2. +9
                28 September 2021 10: 44
                "no mark?." ////
                -----
                What are the marks from the F-35?
                For there to be marks, you need it to fly near the very radar of the complex.
          3. -3
            28 September 2021 10: 37
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Wend
            it is not profitable to take, so they did not take responsibility.

            This is not the question, the question is why the aircraft was not identified by the air defense forces of the SAR? It's just that it is customary to make fun of the "invisibility" of airplanes, but in fact they did not detect, did not establish, they missed ...

            Not a fact, there could be planes without identification marks or drones
            1. +5
              28 September 2021 11: 38
              Quote: Wend
              there could be planes without identification marks

              That is, in your opinion, aircraft are identified only by signs on the tail and planes?
              1. -1
                28 September 2021 12: 48
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                Quote: Wend
                there could be planes without identification marks

                That is, in your opinion, aircraft are identified only by signs on the tail and planes?

                There is such a thing as trade. You can buy any weapon. I remember the United States bought a couple of our tanks to train their Abrams. And if the planes have not yet been identified, then the planes could belong to anyone and did not have identification marks.
            2. +1
              28 September 2021 16: 12
              Quote: Wend

              Not a fact, there could be planes without identification marks or drones

              Signs are signs, but as far as I know, air defense systems can classify targets according to their radar data ...
          4. +6
            28 September 2021 13: 02
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Wend
            it is not profitable to take, so they did not take responsibility.

            This is not the question, the question is why the aircraft was not identified by the air defense forces of the SAR? It's just that it is customary to make fun of the "invisibility" of airplanes, but in fact they did not detect, did not establish, they missed ...

            Isn't it clear? The Israeli air force, as always, from Lebanese airspace, struck a proud and independent Syria. If they had entered the airspace of Syria, then the Syrian air defenses would certainly have shot them down. Let's not forget the S-300. Well, or not them, they would definitely have been shot down.
          5. +3
            28 September 2021 18: 22
            Quote: raw174
            This is not the question, the question is why the aircraft was not identified by the air defense forces of the SAR?

            Everything is perfectly identified, this is politics.
            Previously, the Russian media reported on IDF air strikes, although Israel did not officially recognize this.
            Now, after 100500 promises to stop these strikes, dozens of loud statements about the closure of the sky of the SAR for the IDF Air Force and statements that 125% of Israeli bombs go off in the air, to admit that Israel did not notice that it was "restricted in its actions", as it is not comme il faut ...
            That is why the IDF Air Force and became (for the media) the "unidentified" of the Air Force.
      2. +3
        28 September 2021 09: 19
        Unidentified aircraft? Hel Haavir, what did he trade for his F-35s for flying saucers?
        1. +1
          28 September 2021 09: 27
          flew over Jordan and Iraq?
          rather Americans
        2. -1
          28 September 2021 12: 51
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Unidentified aircraft? Hel Haavir, what did he trade for his F-35s for flying saucers?

          At the moment, these aircraft are in service with 9 countries. Unmarked, can you tell which country the F-35 belongs to?
      3. -1
        28 September 2021 09: 23
        "A huge wild boar has appeared -
        Either a buffalo, or a bull, or a tour. "...
      4. +2
        28 September 2021 09: 27
        The Israeli Air Force has been replenished with three more new fifth-generation F-35I Adir fighters. This was reported on the official page of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) on Twitter.

        Were these persons involved in a hurry to check in? winked
        1. +5
          28 September 2021 10: 58
          Quote: Terenin
          Were these persons involved in a hurry to check in?

          No, that gives you a few more months to install your equipment. But the rest, perhaps for this and bought that would not see, hear, but feel.
          1. +1
            28 September 2021 18: 27
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            for this, and bought that would not see, hear but feel.

            "Do you feel your finger? And your hands, here they are" © wassat
      5. 0
        28 September 2021 11: 17
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOu0rtyKVI&ab_channel=alexoz14

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3gUYLf1P8
    2. +2
      28 September 2021 09: 24
      Unidentified aircraft attacked the positions of the pro-Iranian militia in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor.
      Who could it be? laughing
      1. -4
        28 September 2021 09: 34

        Daniil Konovalenko (Daniil Konovalenko)
        Today, 09: 24
        NEW
        +1
        Unidentified aircraft attacked the positions of the pro-Iranian militia in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor.
        Who could it be? laughing
        There is no third option, except for the Merkiatos and the Jews.
        1. 0
          28 September 2021 09: 37
          Quote: aszzz888
          There is no third option, except for the Merkiatos and the Jews.


          And the Turks, as an option, are they not suitable?
          And they have aviation with attack UAVs, and motives ...
          1. -6
            28 September 2021 09: 39
            Peak
            Today, 09: 37

            0
            Quote: aszzz888
            There is no third option, except for the Merkiatos and the Jews.


            And the Turks, as an option, are they not suitable?
            And they have aviation with attack UAVs, and motives ...
            The Turks will not climb. Tomorrow Erdogash will be at the Darkest with a report by 15-00. wink
            1. 0
              28 September 2021 10: 05
              Their friends recently flew in, maybe this is a response?
          2. +2
            28 September 2021 09: 57
            Quote: PiK
            Quote: aszzz888
            There is no third option, except for the Merkiatos and the Jews.


            And the Turks, as an option, are they not suitable?
            And they have aviation with attack UAVs, and motives ...

            The Turks pretend to be like: "Listen, which side is this Syria - Miriya?" request
        2. 0
          28 September 2021 09: 41
          Quote: aszzz888
          There is no third option, except for the Merkiatos and the Jews.

          But what about ourselves? In the Donbass, for the seventh year, they have been bombarded by themselves, surrounded by the forces of good and light.
          laughing
          1. -1
            28 September 2021 09: 43

            Cheshire (Maxim)
            Today, 09: 41
            NEW

            0
            Quote: aszzz888
            There is no third option, except for the Merkiatos and the Jews.

            But what about ourselves? In the Donbass, for the seventh year, they have been shelling themselves, surrounded by the forces of good and light.
            Yes! Sori, pliz - did not take into account!
      2. 0
        28 September 2021 11: 48
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        Who could it be?

        There are only two options
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      28 September 2021 09: 33
      then it is useless to expect this from Israel, the Israel Defense Forces traditionally do not comment on foreign press publications about their operations against the SAR.
      here and to the pharmacy do not go, and so everything is clear! angry
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      28 September 2021 09: 33
      It seems to me, give God's chosen will, they will clean the entire BV to zero, along with the pyramids. Just in case. And then in fact continuous threats from everywhere and a cane.
      1. -2
        28 September 2021 09: 44
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        It seems to me, give God's chosen will, they will clean the entire BV to zero, along with the pyramids.


        Well, with the pharaohs they have long accounts, even despite the fact that they were sold into slavery Jews - Jews Yes

        1. +1
          28 September 2021 09: 53
          Quote: PiK
          Jews were sold into slavery - Jews

          As people like to say here: "Business, nothing personal."
          1. 0
            28 September 2021 09: 55
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            As people like to say here: "Business, nothing personal."

            And the extreme, pyramids fellow wassat laughing
          2. +5
            28 September 2021 13: 09
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            As people like to say here: "Business, nothing personal."

            Duc Pharaoh was thousands of years ago, and serfdom was abolished only in the century before last. And how people were trafficked there ... "Business, nothing personal."
            1. 0
              28 September 2021 13: 39
              Quote: professor
              And how people were trafficked there.

              In fairness, we note that not siblings
              although born from serf relatives - I fully admit
              1. +4
                28 September 2021 13: 52
                Quote: Flood
                Quote: professor
                And how people were trafficked there.

                In fairness, we note that not siblings
                although born from serf relatives - I fully admit

                With my own children ...
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                  28 September 2021 13: 54
                  Quote: professor
                  With my own children ...

                  did not understand. what is this about?
                  1. +4
                    28 September 2021 13: 59
                    Quote: Flood
                    Quote: professor
                    With my own children ...

                    did not understand. what is this about?

                    The landowners traded with their own children born of serfs. And this is not a biblical story.
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                      28 September 2021 14: 00
                      Quote: professor
                      The landowners traded with their own children born of serfs. And this is not a biblical story.

                      I don't know such cases
                      but, again, I admit
                      1. +2
                        28 September 2021 14: 05
                        Quote: Flood
                        I don't know such cases
                        but, again, I admit

                        Completely. We will not even remember the right of the first night when the firstborn is the biological child of the owner. The owner then without a twinge of conscience sold these serfs slaves.
                        1. +1
                          28 September 2021 14: 09
                          Quote: professor
                          Completely. We won't even remember the right of the first night

                          that is, in theory
                          well, that's what I wrote
                        2. +1
                          28 September 2021 14: 11
                          Quote: Flood
                          that is, in theory
                          well, that's what I wrote

                          Well no. On practice. EMNIP and in "The Captain's Daughter" is about this.
                        3. +1
                          28 September 2021 14: 15
                          Quote: professor
                          Well no. On practice

                          professor, you understand everything
                          but you are just ashamed to write
                          specifically - where, who and when?
                        4. +2
                          28 September 2021 14: 16
                          Quote: Flood
                          Quote: professor
                          Well no. On practice

                          professor, you understand everything
                          but you are just ashamed to write
                          specifically - where, who and when?

                          There is no DNA test on hand.
                        5. +1
                          28 September 2021 14: 17
                          Quote: professor
                          There is no DNA test on hand.

                          so I do not doubt your origin wink
                        6. +3
                          28 September 2021 14: 19
                          Quote: Flood
                          Quote: professor
                          There is no DNA test on hand.

                          so I do not doubt your origin wink

                          The main thing is that the rabinate has no doubts. wink The Jews have not had slavery since the time of the pharaohs.
            2. -1
              28 September 2021 17: 42
              Duc Pharaoh was thousands of years ago
              This is certainly sad)
              and serfdom was abolished only in the century before last.
              Are slavery and serfdom the same thing?
        2. +4
          28 September 2021 12: 28
          Quote: PiK
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          It seems to me, give God's chosen will, they will clean the entire BV to zero, along with the pyramids.


          Well, with the pharaohs they have long accounts, even despite the fact that they were sold into slavery Jews - Jews Yes


          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          Quote: PiK
          Jews were sold into slavery - Jews

          As people like to say here: "Business, nothing personal."



          Ay, ay! I just knocked out a tear. True, Pharaoh then "set Joseph over all the land of Egypt," and said: "Without you, no one will move his hand or his foot, in all the land of Egypt." Pharaoh made him the vizier of Egypt, his co-ruler, named him Tsafnaf-paneach, and gave him to wife Asenef, daughter of Potipher, priest of Heliopolis. (Gen. 41: 37-45)

          The Lord allowed this to happen - the brothers sold their brother into slavery 4 (four thousand!) Years ago just for thatTo nations-babies knew and understood that it was wrong to do so. But, for those, at least a stake on their heads, as they say, the lesson did not work for them, alas ...
          We read offhand the creepy headlines of our day:
          "Russians raped and killed a friend after trying to sell him into slavery"
          "The police brothers took a Russian into slavery and forced him to work on a farm"
          "Rhabdom" Good luck ". How people in modern Russia fall into slavery"
          "A slave in Moscow costs about 50 thousand rubles"

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            28 September 2021 13: 41
            Quote: A. Privalov
            True, Pharaoh then "set Joseph over all the land of Egypt," and said: "Without you, no one will move his hand or his foot, in all the land of Egypt."

            in that is the irony that the native blood sold, and the enslavers of the Egyptians raised
            no complaints against the pharaoh
            fair man, you see, was
            to Joseph, however, too
            but his relatives are a ball of snakes in their bosom
            1. +1
              28 September 2021 14: 03
              Quote: Flood
              in that is the irony that the native blood sold, and the enslavers of the Egyptians raised
              no complaints against the pharaoh
              fair man, you see, was
              to Joseph, however, too
              but his relatives are a ball of snakes in their bosom

              There is nothing to be done, for thousands of years, relations between people have changed little.
              ================================================== =====
              When Joseph's brothers, persecuted by hunger, arrived in Ancient Egypt (Gen. 45:11), Joseph revealed himself to them and was reconciled. Then he resettled the entire clan of Israel (70 people), with the brothers brought in at the request of Joseph by the aged father Jacob at the head, to Egypt, where Pharaoh assigned them the district of Goshen for settlement (46:34, 47:27).

              Throughout his life, Joseph patronized his family, and even after the death of Jacob, when the brothers feared that he would take revenge on them for their former cruelty, he continued to treat them with brotherly love. He passed away at the age of 110, and the Egyptians embalmed the body and placed it in the ark in Egypt (Gen. 50:26). He left behind two sons, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

              Years will pass and during the Exodus from Egypt, Moses will carry the remains of Joseph to reburial them in the land of Israel (Ex. 13:19).
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                28 September 2021 14: 07
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Throughout his life, Joseph patronized his family, and even after the death of Jacob, when the brothers feared that he would take revenge on them for their former cruelty, he continued to treat them with brotherly love.

                we know, read
                but the Lord asked Jacob for the poorly brought up sons?
                1. +1
                  28 September 2021 14: 14
                  Quote: Flood
                  but the Lord asked Jacob for the poorly brought up sons?

                  Not at all. He gave him 12 sons, who in time will become the ancestors of the tribes of Israel.
                  1. 0
                    28 September 2021 14: 16
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    By no means

                    by no means - did you ask?
                    or not at all - were Joseph's brothers well-bred youths?
                    1. +2
                      28 September 2021 14: 23
                      Quote: Flood
                      by no means - did you ask?
                      or not at all - were Joseph's brothers well-bred youths?

                      As for me, the Almighty blessed and rewarded him.
                      1. +1
                        28 September 2021 14: 28
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        As for me, the Almighty blessed and rewarded him.

                        the fact that he was reunited with his beloved son in his declining years is unspeakable joy and great consolation
                        but does not negate the grief that had to go through and the guilt of the eldest sons
                        probably had a lot of tears to cry

                        Let's think, is a reward on a mortal earth equivalent to a reward in heaven?
                        or replaces it? but can she cancel her punishment?
                        After all, we know so many successful worthy names that deserve red-hot pans
                        see how many questions arise with these earthly awards?
                        1. +1
                          28 September 2021 15: 18
                          Quote: Flood
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          As for me, the Almighty blessed and rewarded him.

                          the fact that he was reunited with his beloved son in his declining years is unspeakable joy and great consolation
                          but does not negate the grief that had to go through and the guilt of the eldest sons
                          probably had a lot of tears to cry

                          Let's think, is a reward on a mortal earth equivalent to a reward in heaven?
                          or replaces it? but can she cancel her punishment?
                          After all, we know so many successful worthy names that deserve red-hot pans
                          see how many questions arise with these earthly awards?

                          For some reason, I don't have any questions. request
                          The earth is not at all perishable. The reward during earthly life is a reward.
                          We can only speculate what and how the Almighty will reward the soul that appears before Him.

                          It is in Christianity that great importance is attached to the concepts of "Paradise" and "Hell", where a person is a servant of God and it is assumed that for all earthly sufferings in heaven, the soul will receive reward and rest in Paradise, and the sinner will go to Hell for eternal torment.
                          In Judaism, a righteous person is not the one who cares about his soul and thinks what will be with her after death and whether he will go to Paradise, but the one who lives himself and helps others to live as best he can. earth, and not hovering in the clouds, who fulfills the commandments of the Torah, etc., etc.
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                          28 September 2021 15: 29
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          one who lives on his own and helps others to live to the best of his ability

                          well, exactly about Israel))
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          It is in Christianity that great importance is attached to the concepts of "Paradise" and "Hell", where a person is a servant of God and is assumed

                          for they are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: they must not be sold as slaves are sold
                          (Lev. 25:42)
                          is it about Christians? unlikely
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          For some reason, I have no questions.

                          now, if you were a slave, you could afford not to have questions.
                          such is the slave psychology
                          but you as a free person should always ask questions
                        3. +1
                          28 September 2021 15: 33
                          Quote: Flood
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          one who lives on his own and helps others to live to the best of his ability

                          well, exactly about Israel))
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          It is in Christianity that great importance is attached to the concepts of "Paradise" and "Hell", where a person is a servant of God and is assumed

                          for they are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: they must not be sold as slaves are sold
                          (Lev. 25:42)
                          is it about Christians? unlikely

                          Unfortunately, not all Jews are righteous, and among Orthodox sinners there are also enough, alas ...
                        4. 0
                          28 September 2021 15: 34
                          Quote: A. Privalov
                          Unfortunately, not all Jews are righteous, and among Orthodox sinners there are also enough, alas.

                          let's stop at this
                          thanks for the interesting conversation
                        5. -1
                          28 September 2021 15: 35
                          Quote: Flood
                          let's stop at this
                          thanks for the interesting conversation

                          And thank you. hi
                        6. +1
                          28 September 2021 18: 56
                          Quote: Flood
                          for they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt:

                          This is entirely on the conscience of the translators, apparently it was so convenient for them.
                          In the original, in the Torah and in ancient Hebrew, it says "my servants" if literally. That is, "serving me" if literary. In Judaism (original), the main emphasis is on the free will of man, and the attitude of God as to children who need to be raised, and not dumb slaves. This is why Judaism encouraged asking questions and lacked dogma.

                          Py.Sy. - The fact that modern orthodox movements have perverted Judaism to mindless petitions is a separate issue. In fact, NONE of the religions existing today have escaped this vice.
                          Created as a philosophy (a kind of archaic equivalents of the "theory of everything"), affecting all spheres of life and requiring highly intellectual thinking, all religions, having gone to the dense masses, were simplified and primitivized, and the philosophical component degenerated into dogmas and blind adherence to ritual. Sad, but natural and inevitable.
                        7. -1
                          29 September 2021 09: 57
                          Quote: And Us Rat
                          This is entirely on the conscience of the translators, apparently it was so convenient for them.

                          translators do not translate "as it is convenient for them"
                          this is a very strange statement
                          especially when it comes to translations from ancient languages

                          option Synoidal Bible Translation (SYN) was quoted above in another comment

                          Modern Russian Bible Translation (RBO)
                          They are all My servants whom I brought out of Egypt; they cannot be sold as slaves
                          The translation of the canonical books of the Old Testament was made from the Hebrew original (Ezra 4: 8-6: 18; 7: 12-26 and Dan 2: 4-7: 28 translated from Aramaic), presented in the most authoritative modern scientific publication Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (Stuttgart : Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 1990).

                          Modern translation WBTC
                          For they are My servants! I brought them out of slavery in Egypt and they shouldn't be slaves again.
                          Bible League International Translation, formerly World Bible Translation Center (WBTC), revised 1993-1996. The first modern alternative to the Synodal translation of the Holy Scriptures in Russian.
                          Over time, it was transformed into an ERV variant.

                          Bible League Translation (ERV)
                          because they are My servants! I brought them out of slavery in Egypt and they should not be slaves again.
                          Easy Read Version, this Bible translation is specially prepared for people who wish to read the text in a simple, conversational style. Translated by Bible League International.

                          New Russian translation (NRT)
                          The Israelites are My servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they cannot be sold into slavery.
                          The new Russian translation was originally completed by the International Bible Society in 2006.
                          When translating the Old Testament, the standard Hebrew and Aramaic text (Masoretic text) was used; the translators turned to the earliest and therefore more influential biblical sources: the Septuagint; Aquila, Symmachus and Theodosius; Vulgate; Syrian Peshitta; Targumam; to the Psalms Juxta Hebraica of Jerome.
                          The translation is close to the English version of the New International Version.

                          Translation edited by Kulakov (BTI)
                          After all, those whom I brought out of Egypt, they are My servants. You can't sell them like they sell slaves.
                          A modern translation made by the Institute for Bible Translation at the Zaoksk Theological Academy and the Bible-Theological Institute of St. the apostle Andrew.
                          The translation was carried out mainly by representatives of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

                          What do we see?
                          That your theses are smashed to smithereens.
                          First:
                          There is no single "correct" translation option. Under which the translator would work literally and literally.
                          Since this is, in principle, the wrong approach to translation. Moreover, such a grandiose material as the Bible, during the translation of which should convey the biblical spirit.
                          The second:
                          we do not see that all translations pursue the task of educating "wordless slaves." If you follow your logic, the reasons for using the word "slaves" in translation.
                          The third.
                          Quote: And Us Rat
                          In the original, in the Torah and in ancient Hebrew, it says "my servants" if literally

                          what original are you writing about? about some Hebrew? or its modern adaptation? very vague
                        8. 0
                          29 September 2021 12: 26
                          Quote: Flood
                          What are your theses

                          These are not my theses.

                          Quote: Flood
                          Bible League Translation (ERV)
                          because they are My servants!

                          Much closer to the truth, since the Hebrew word משרת (mesharet) is translated as a servant, a servant, a servant. Depending on the context, service in the army, for example, comes from the same root of the word (as in Russian), and service in the service sector too, although the meaning is different.
                          In the Torah, this word is used in the context of clergymen, “those who serve me” are interpreted as “those who believe in me”, “who pray to me”.

                          Quote: Flood
                          what original are you writing about? about some Hebrew? or its modern adaptation?

                          There is no "modern adaptation", the Torah is printed exclusively in ancient Hebrew, which differs from modern, like Old Slavic from Russian.
                          Therefore, those who read the Torah in the original automatically have to learn ancient Hebrew, at least superficially.
                          Well, or shovel a ten-volume book of a paragraph interpretation with explanations in modern Hebrew.
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            28 September 2021 14: 02
            Quote: A. Privalov
            The Lord allowed this to happen - the brothers sold their brother into slavery 4 (four thousand!) Years ago just so that the nations-babies would know and understand that it is wrong to do this.

            what kind of baby nations are they?
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              28 September 2021 14: 08
              Quote: Flood
              what kind of baby nations are they?

              Those peoples who will be born in a couple of thousand years after the events described.
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                28 September 2021 14: 13
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Those peoples who will be born in a couple of thousand years after the events described

                Thank you for the clarification
                and then you thought about the nascent people of Israel
                and where are you going, predictably
                you believe that before the light of the Bible came to the European nations, they sold their relatives in captivity, as did the eldest sons of Jacob
                well at least you recognize the Egyptians as an older people. or what is the correct way to use your terminology? old people?
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                  28 September 2021 14: 21
                  Quote: Flood
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  Those peoples who will be born in a couple of thousand years after the events described

                  Thank you for the clarification
                  and then you thought about the nascent people of Israel
                  and where are you going, predictably
                  you believe that before the light of the Bible came to the European nations, they sold their relatives in captivity, as did the eldest sons of Jacob
                  well at least you recognize the Egyptians as an older people. or what is the correct way to use your terminology? old people?

                  The slave system was invented a long time ago and existed for thousands of years.
                  There is nothing to be done about it, somehow it just so happened that there are ancient peoples and young peoples, in the historical sense of this term, of course.
                  Do you think I came up with this terminology?
                  Very flattered!
                  hi
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                    28 September 2021 14: 23
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Do you think I came up with this terminology?

                    baby people?
                    but somehow I have not come across this term in popular science literature.
                    We have probably read different books.
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          28 September 2021 13: 10
          I am always pleased to see that Russian people are interested in written Jewish history 3.5 thousand years ago
          good drinks
          It is remarkable that there is an interpenetration of cultures of different peoples.
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            28 September 2021 13: 45
            Quote: voyaka uh
            It is wonderful that there is an interpenetration of cultures of different peoples.

            you can't throw out words from the Bible
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              28 September 2021 14: 31
              In no case. This is a true ancient book. It does not glorify kings, does not praise victories, honestly write about failures and crimes.
              This is its special value for historians.
              It is written as a matrix.
              Scribes were strictly forbidden to remove or add anything. Letter under letter and letter by letter - the order has never changed.
              Even the mistakes and errors of the first writer were repeated for thousands of years.
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      28 September 2021 09: 45
      Dandruff and fish fish did not fall from this aircraft?
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        28 September 2021 10: 52
        Quote: Cowbra
        Dandruff and fish fish did not fall from this aircraft?

        no, only mattresses in shit (hello Idraku)
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        28 September 2021 19: 09
        Quote: Cowbra
        Dandruff and fish fish did not fall from this aircraft?

        And the smelly footcloths and birch bark? fool
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      28 September 2021 10: 03
      Well, where was the air defense?
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        28 September 2021 11: 52
        Quote: 75Sergey
        Well, where was the air defense?

        All air defense around Khmeimim, Tartus and Damascus. You can't see him in all the desert cities
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          28 September 2021 12: 46
          But it would be necessary ... pointwise
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            28 September 2021 12: 53
            Quote: 75Sergey
            But it would be necessary ... pointwise

            Or along the border with Jordan, from where Jews constantly fly to Deir Ez-Zor. Catch a couple ...
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      28 September 2021 10: 06
      Unidentified aircraft attacked the positions of the pro-Iranian militia in the Syrian province of Deir ez-Zor. This is reported by the Syrian media, citing military sources.


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      28 September 2021 10: 15
      Something Iran is late, the decision at the top of the Iranians took a long time ago to deploy air defense systems in Syria.
      Neither ours nor the Syrians had any objections. The Israel Defense Forces allow themselves too much. The same can be said about the Americans. If you start knocking them down, they will quickly calm down. Their presence is an occupation, and the occupiers must be beaten.
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        28 September 2021 11: 22
        Israel Defense Forces
        This is not an Army, let alone a defense.
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        28 September 2021 20: 00
        Quote: Borisych
        Something Iran is late, the decision at the top of the Iranians took a long time ago to deploy air defense systems in Syria.

        To speak is not to load bags. In fact, this may end in a crushing fiasco, and they are well aware of this, as well as the difference in the technological level.

        Quote: Borisych
        The Israel Defense Forces allow themselves too much.

        If we judge objectively, then such an assessment, in this context, does not make logical sense. Too much compared to what / who? Where is the starting point of measurement? Where are the boundary conditions?

        Quote: Borisych
        If you start knocking them down, they will quickly calm down.

        History says the reaction will be diametrically opposite. Israel has always reacted disproportionately to losses. When an Israeli plane was shot down in 2018, the IDF air force responded by burning down ALL air defense installations from Lebanon to Damascus.
        "Madness is repeating the same mistakes, waiting for different results."

        Quote: Borisych
        the invaders must be beaten

        Kumu? RF Armed Forces? Is Russia occupied?
        Syrians? And what to do when they start to be beaten back, moreover, by an adult?
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      29 September 2021 18: 42
      We must control who to give and who not to give. Why did we suddenly decide that everyone can have? )))

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