Experts comment on material in the US media about the reasons for the disposal of Tu-160 bombers after the collapse of the USSR

Experts comment on the material that appeared on the pages of the American military edition Military Watch. The magazine article presents a version of why, after the collapse of the USSR, it was decided to dispose of the bulk of the Tu-160 strategic bombers remaining in Ukraine in a short time.

The American author claims that ultimately this did not allow China to become the owner of critical Soviet technologies for creating its own strategic missile carriers.

From the material:

After Ukraine received 19 Tu-160 strategic bombers as a result of the collapse of the USSR, there were high risks that Beijing would receive the most important technologies for creating its own aircraft of this type.

An indirect evidence of such a threat in an American magazine is the sale to China of an unfinished Soviet cruiser, as well as a prototype of the Su-33 carrier-based combat aircraft, on the basis of which Chinese specialists subsequently created the J-15 carrier-based fighter.

The material stated that "all efforts to prevent the possible transfer of technology to create strategic bombers to China were made by the United States together with its allies." These efforts resulted in the disposal of the Tu-160, which remained in Ukraine.

Experts believe that these explanations could be close to the truth if it were not about the 1990s, but at least a decade later. But then (in the early 90s), as noted, for the United States, the "Chinese threat" was not as "publicized" by the American authorities themselves as it is today. Much more in Washington and NATO feared that in Russia forces might come to power that would quickly restore the country's military potential and carry out the reunification of the republics. Therefore, it is difficult to call the statements in the US media consistent that the White Swans were cut into metal solely for the reason that Ukraine would not sell them to China.

Comments

[Vadim Ananyin]

Yes, in general, and in general, everyone knows this, when I myself read this article
then surprised. The United States wants to draw some merit for itself.
But China with its aspiration will still create what they need.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

But China with its aspiration will still create what they need.

Well, yes. Do not wash by rolling, but they will achieve their goal

[Uncle lee]

in Russia, forces may come to power that will quickly restore the country's military potential and carry out the reunification of the republics.

But this did not happen ..... Unfortunately.

[Seryoga64]

Quote from Uncle Lee

But this did not happen.

Well, what has grown has grown

[provergatel]

I wouldn't regret it straight.

Geographically, Russia has lost, temporarily sagged economically.

But to live in the same "house" with those who get along with you only as long as you regularly throw it into his beak, and not surplus, but "detached from yourself", such yourself. Actually, all the "bratskonorotnost" vividly manifested itself during the collapse of the Union, when the "brothers" rushed to take down the common house. Moreover, everyone tried to take away more of the common good in his own, now individual hut.

You were probably lucky at the time of the collapse of the Union to live somewhere, either in the RSFSR or in the Russian republics. But those who lived in the Asian or Caucasian republics until the end of their lives ate "brazkonorotnosti" ... those who were lucky to stay alive.

Well, in fact, time has put everything in its place. Those who yelled "Russian invaders get out", or even arranged the massacre of these "occupiers", those who yelled about the fact that as soon as they stop feeding the ever-drunk lazy Russian freeloaders, they will immediately bloom and come out almost to the leading economic positions, all of them now live, in the overwhelming majority in the city .. not. All of them come to Russia to fill vacancies for low-skilled workers. They live more or less well now in Azerbaijan (oil / gas), Kazakhstan (resources / access to the Russian market, including labor), Belarus (Russian subsidies / access to the Russian market, including labor) , Baltics (subsidies from the European Union). The rest of the former "brothers" survive.

So, again there is no point or desire to load all these "brothers" on the shoulders of the Russian Vanya.

[Finches]

Ukrainians in relation to Carcasses acted in their own manner - I will not eat, I will take a bite! Russia has offered them, since 1993, good money for planes, about 3 billion, but the descendants of the Bandera all the time demanded more! Although they still owed gas ... Yeltsin had to insist, but he was drinking and he had no time! Already by 1995, of all aircraft in Ukraine, 15% were more or less in a combat ready state, well, and then the Americans joined - what they were afraid of, I will not say for sure, but it was clearly not China!

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Finches

Ukrainians in relation to Carcasses acted in their own manner - I will not eat, I will take a bite!

Well, something like this

[Peak]

The material stated that "all efforts to prevent the possible transfer of technology to create strategic bombers to China were made by the United States together with its allies." These efforts resulted in the disposal of the Tu-160, which remained in Ukraine.

Experts believe that these explanations could be close to the truth if it were not about the 1990s, but at least a decade later. But then (in the early 90s), as noted, for the United States, the "Chinese threat" was not as "publicized" by the American authorities themselves as it is today.

But as they say -

"Meli, Emelya, your week" , now you can "screw up" anything.

[Seryoga64]

So they "unharnessed"

[Vadim Ananyin]

Well, I think they also watched the mess of Ukraine then and they were afraid of one thing, that Kiev would have to give the remaining planes to Moscow. Therefore, they were in a hurry.
They started cutting not from the previously released ones, but from the newest ones, and China had no plans at that time.

[Avior]

In 1999-2000, after part of the Tu160 was destroyed under the Lugar program, it bought out 8 Tu160 out of 19 that were in Ukraine for gas debts. Nobody ever offered to buy them out for any 3 billion, in the 90s Russia stopped missions of strategists on duty at distant frontiers and strategists were out of work.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

and then the Americans got involved - what they were afraid of there, I won't say for sure, but it was clearly not China!

I agree to all 100.

[Grandfather]

okay destroyed, otherwise they were going to sell ...

In March 1999, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine received permission from the Government and the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine to sell three Tu-160 bombers (tail numbers 10, 11 and 12) and spare parts for them for $ 20 million to the American company "Platforms International Corporation" for re-equipment into the carriers of rockets for launching satellites.

I don't know how, but ours broke off the process. the gestalt remained uncovered.

[Seryoga64]

Therefore, it is difficult to call the statements in the US media consistent that the White Swans were cut for metal solely for the reason that Ukraine would not sell them to China.

In my opinion this is another fake

[Vadim Ananyin]

Complete bullshit, of course.

[Seryoga64]

We woke up 30 years later and started blabbering nonsense

[Nexcom]

Well, the Stars and Stripes are very fond of remaking historical events in their favor. it makes no difference to them how it was in reality - the main thing is to show everyone now HOW THEY BROKEN THEN the situation.

[Seryoga64]

Are they alone. Honored masters in rewriting history are our "non-brothers"

[Nexcom]

Heh, and from whom do the "non-brothers" seaman take an example? Did they themselves think of this? They exist under the rule of an exclusive nation. And they act at the behest and in the pattern and likeness of their masters.

Threat, by the way, I had to: since the sailors have had such an experience in this since ancient times, maybe Erdogan can help them dig a new canal - their practice is so huge! At the same time, they will cut down a penny.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

Did they themselves think of this?

Themselves. Until such nonsense as they are, not one striped person can think of

[Nexcom]

"This is different" (c).
You mix compulsive-abscess syndrome on the basis of terrible dissatisfaction with your political position in the world and real digging-tryndezhny abilities originating from the ancient ukrov and confirmed by the "dug up" sea.

[Seryoga64]

This is different too
From the point of view of a banal erudition, not every local individual is able to ignore the overwhelmingly paradoxical capabilities of the human body and its subjective idealism, a legacy of a finitistic view of the essence of objective existence.

[Nexcom]

Only to the descendants of the ancient ukrov do not say it out loud - they will be closed at once, and the consequences are unpredictable.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

Only to the descendants of the ancient ukrov do not say it out loud - it will close immediately, and the consequences are unpredictable.

Yes, I should say.
I can imagine how they will start jumping with screams, this is our zrada

[your1970]

Quote: Seryoga64

subjective idealism, popular with a finitistic view of the essence of objective existence.

REPEAT ... (C) Moscow does not believe in tears

[Seryoga64]

Quote: your1970

REPEAT ... (C) Moscow does not believe in tears

Every individual, in his utopian subjectivism, cannot ignore opportunistic views

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

HOW THEY BROKEN THEN the situation.

Ooooh, don't feed it with honey

[Nexcom]

... and the minusatorial cyber special forces pulled themselves up ...
heavy shelling.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

... and the minusatorial cyber special forces pulled themselves up ...
heavy shelling.

This is just sighting

[Nexcom]

yes I understand. schaz attack aircraft and tanks will be called and thrown into the attack after artillery preparation.

[Seryoga64]

The cry will be thrown "They are beating ours (although no one touches them) and that's it, let's go to the" psychic "

[Peak]

Quote: Seryoga64

We woke up 30 years later and started blabbering nonsense

And for good reason This is another round of propaganda pressure on China, in a series of actions ...

[ugol2]

Nobody heard about China then

[BABAY22]

Well, Tiananmen was already there.
Even then, China showed that "democracy" is not theirs, all tolerasts pass by.

[tatarin1972]

Let's say a mistake, someone in Ukraine, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, decided to "warm up" on scrap metal. And there is no need to invent Chinese spies.

[Nexcom]

It's so easy to explain everything! Their actions then had a powerful basis for the nonproliferation of strategic weapons to democratically unreliable countries! And only this interpretation. "You are apolitical, I swear on your honor!" (c) comrade Saakhov, "Prisoner of the Caucasus".

PS Although this interpretation of those events does not nifiga prokanet - they sold the cruiser there (or what they sold there). After all, what a discrepancy it turns out! It means that the Tu-160 was cut so that not to sell it to China, but the cruiser (albeit unfinished) was sold to China. Yeah.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nexcom

and sold it there (or whatever they sold there). After all, what a discrepancy it turns out! It means that the Tu-160 was cut so that not to sell it to China, but the cruiser (albeit unfinished) was sold to China. Yeah.

"excuse" for suckers

[Nexcom]

yes it's all clear. tryndyat like a broom - they don't even pay attention to inconsistencies - the people grab.

[Ros 56]

That is exactly what it was, the striped ones tried to destroy as much of the military infrastructure of the USSR as possible.

[evgen1221]

And experts out of habit call ordinary users comments on the couch writing?

[Avior]

A frank invention. In the 90s, this would not have given China anything; they simply would not have repeated it, and even now it is doubtful.
In Ukraine, there is now one Tu160, although not in a fit for flight condition, the Chinese could have tried to buy for a long time, if they saw the point in this.

[Zaurbek]

An indirect evidence of such a threat in an American magazine is the sale to China of an unfinished Soviet cruiser, as well as a prototype of the Su-33 carrier-based combat aircraft, on the basis of which Chinese specialists subsequently created the J-15 carrier-based fighter.

The Chinese had a license for Su27 and Su30 ..... Su33 from Ukraine only made the process cheaper for them ... (for money, the Russian Federation would have sold Su33 to China). The signal was a leak from Ukraine to China and Iran (S. Korea?) KR X-55 ....
Plus, the planes did not go to the Russian Federation. Well done.

[Tomich_1987]

Is Military Watch the same American magazine as National Interest?

[faterdom]

All Americans do is fight evil in its purest form ...
What is evil is determined by the Americans on the basis of the results of this struggle ...
Right now they are thinking about Afghanistan, how to feed their generations deliciously there, and why they are great, and Russia and China are malicious Mordorins.

[zenion]

They forgot about North Korea. They do not remember them, they suddenly scalded with something. And so no one remembers them, except for Russian amerikolyubov.

[zenion]

I confess I said it - let them do what they want with them. They don't fit in my kitchen. A stove, a washing machine is enough, but planes are unnecessary for me, they stink of kerosene and there is no passage for cockroaches. At least one, at least two, fall under the wheels. And at night they whisper - I want to fly like that, in general they got sick of it. They began to look askance at their neighbors. There is not even time to take a walk on the splits. Swing them there!

[Osipov9391]

By the end of the 90s, when they began to cut, most of the Ukrainian Tu-160s were in a deadly state. And I haven't flown for a long time. Even those cars that were driven in Russia were in poor condition. Water flowed from everywhere, no one followed them for a long time.
Spare parts and engines from the cut cars were also taken to Russia for the most part and taken out in the womb of transport workers. Some were rearranged on those planes that were ferried to Russia.
And those that cut, although they were completely new, did not fly for a very long time and fell into disrepair. Most likely, they could not get to Russia on their own. Can't be restored at the airfield. And to disassemble and transport this device to Kazan, if you please, no one had any experience.
So they probably decided to cut it with the principle "you didn't get it to anyone." With the consent of Russia, of course.
I think everything was decided informally. Which cars to pick up and which are no longer.
After all, several vehicles from Engels had combat readiness and condition head and shoulders above almost two dozen Ukrainian ones.