Private military companies: exporting aggression

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359 Article. Mercenary

1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as his use in an armed conflict or hostilities, shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of four to eight years, with or without restraint of liberty for a term of up to two years.



2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or in relation to a minor shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of seven to fifteen years with a fine in the amount of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of wages or other income convicted for a period of up to three years either without it and with restriction of liberty for a period of one to two years, or without it.

3. Participation of a mercenary in an armed conflict or hostilities is punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years, with or without restraint of liberty for a term of up to one year.

A mercenary is a person who acts for the purpose of receiving material compensation and who is not a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or hostilities, who does not reside permanently in its territory, and who is not a person who is sent to perform official duties.

There are people - men and sometimes women - with an increased tendency to violence. Sometimes they go to serve in state structures - landing troops, special forces, where their inclinations and abilities can be used for the good of the state. Sometimes they are incorporated into professional sports - power martial arts, fights without rules.

In this case, most often everything ends well. A person takes his place in life, receives his due reward, uses his inclinations and abilities where they are useful. However, there are not enough vacancies for special forces and athletes for everyone: in the modern army, more technical specialists are required - operators of weapons complexes, rather than "Vikings".

As a result, a huge layer of people takes out their negative qualities on others, goes deliberately or accidentally into the criminal environment, destroying society from the inside and forcing the state to spend funds on their neutralization and maintenance (unfortunately, due to the prohibition of the death penalty, it will not be possible to limit ourselves only to neutralization).


Violent crimes are one of the most significant problems of modern Russia - according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in 2020 more than 20 people died from criminal encroachments, over 000 were seriously injured.

In multinational Russia, there are entire regions, whose population is not very inclined to work, but on the other hand, it is extremely belligerent. These regions, as a rule, are subsidized.

Why not give them the opportunity to earn extra money by their own aggression on a legal basis?

Is Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation really necessary?


After all, what difference does it make to a state what its citizens are doing abroad?

Russia has sheltered millions of guest workers who take out money from our country, weakening the budget of Russia, and in return they bring the infection (vaccinations are no longer done there - the paradise of anti-vaccines) and crime (after all, the streets of revenge are not going to us).

So why not let your citizens earn money abroad and bring money home?

What negative consequences does the participation of Russian citizens in military conflicts abroad have for our country?

The criminalization of the mercenary profession only deprives the budget of tax revenues, moreover, in the form of freely convertible monetary units.

At the same time, international law does not prohibit mercenary:

The definition of a mercenary is formulated in Art. 47 (2) of the first Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions, signed in 1977.

A mercenary is a person who:

- specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;

- actually takes a direct part in hostilities;

- takes part in hostilities, guided mainly by a desire to obtain personal gain, and to whom, in fact, a party or on behalf of a party to the conflict has promised material reward that significantly exceeds the remuneration promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and functions included in the personal the composition of the armed forces of a given side;

- is neither a citizen of a party to the conflict, nor a person permanently residing in the territory controlled by a party to the conflict;

- is not included in the personnel of the armed forces of a party to the conflict;

- is not sent by a state that is not a party to the conflict to perform duties as a member of its armed forces.


By removing the article on the prohibition of mercenarism, the state will allow a significant part of the population to earn money legally, in fact, to carry out the "export of aggression" outside its borders.

But the main task of repealing Article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is the legalization of the activities of private military companies (PMCs) in Russia.

Private military companies


The end of the XNUMXth century - the beginning of the XNUMXst century is the heyday of a new format of the armed forces (AF) - private military companies. Humanity has been familiar with mercenaries for a long time, their services were actively used at all times, there were whole detachments of organized mercenaries who were ready to fight for whoever pays.


Detachments of mercenaries existed in the days of Ancient Greece

In a certain historical During the period, PMCs, which at that time did not have this name, seemed to have practically disappeared from the scene - huge army of draft and contract type came out on top. Nevertheless, groups of mercenaries were active throughout the world, often changing it much more than the armies of the great powers.

In addition, it turned out that, despite all their might, the state armed forces have certain shortcomings - they are not flexible enough, constrained by national and international laws, regulations, their actions, and especially losses, are riveted by the attention of society and the press.

Private military companies gained prominence after the emergence of one of the most controversial PMCs - the American company Blackwater, founded in 1997 by former commando Eric Prince and shooting coach El Clark.


In the face of its branch Blackwater Security Consulting, this PMC actively participated in military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, earning an ambiguous reputation there. In 2009, Blackwater PMC was renamed XeServices LLC, and then in 2010 - Academi.

Private military companies: exporting aggression
Blackwater logos, XeServices LLC, Academi

At the same time, the British Watch Guard International (WGI), created in 1967 by SAS (Special Airborne Service) veterans David Stirling and John Woodhouse, is considered to be the official first private military company.

It is believed that PMCs are much more expensive than professional armies. For example, a US military soldier earns about $ 150-200 a day, while a Blackwater / Academi mercenary costs about $ 1 a day.

In reality, everything is much more complicated: in the Armed Forces, the activities of soldiers are insured - in case of injury, they receive significant payments (serious PMCs now also insure their specialists, but it can be assumed that this is not always done)... Members of the armed forces often have various benefits, including early retirement, which can be attributed to indirect costs. The state bears the costs of equipping a serviceman and his training.

Do not forget that in PMCs most often specialists already work with experience, while in the Armed Forces a soldier must first be trained, and this is expensive and takes a lot of time. Even the direct costs of a professional fighter can exceed the indicated $ 150-200 per day, what can we say about everything else.

Of course, PMCs do not replace professional armies, but they complement them extremely effectively.

The tasks most frequently solved by PMCs include (but are not limited to):

- direct participation in hostilities;

- conducting special operations, including obtaining intelligence information;

- aviation intelligence service;

- ensuring the safety and security of infrastructure facilities;

- ensuring the protection of state structures;

- ensuring the safety of transportation, escorting convoys, protecting maritime navigation and sea vessels;

- training of military personnel, police and other power structures;

- rear supply of troops;

- maintaining the functioning of communication and control systems, points and control centers;

- services of military analysts;

- demining and destruction of unexploded ordnance.

Some sources associate PMCs with special units - special forces. In reality, depending on the type of activity of PMCs, they can be attributed to special forces, analysts, professional security guards, logisticians, and so on.

In addition to Blackwater / XeServices LLC / Academi, many other PMCs have appeared - British G4S, Erinys International and Aegis Defense Services, American FDG Corp, MRPI, the largest American PMC DynCorp, British-American Northbridge Services Group - and this is just a small part.

In Russia, PMCs also exist, and it is believed that they operate quite effectively around the world, including in Syria, the Donbass and in the Luhansk region.

The most famous Russian PMCs today are:

- PMC "Wagner";

- "Slavic Corps" (possibly one of the subdivisions of Wagner PMC);

- "Redoubt-Antiterror";

- "Ferrax";

- "RSB-Group";

- PMC FDG Corp.


Like mercenarism, the activities of PMCs in Russia are officially prohibited, thanks to the same article 359 of the Criminal Code, therefore Russian PMCs are registered as private security companies (PSC). They can also have foreign branches and operate under the flags of other states.

In 2016, attempts to legalize PMCs came across government resistance, which referred to part 5 of Article 13 of the Russian Constitution:

The creation and activity of public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious hatred are prohibited.

Of course, this argument is far-fetched - PMCs fall under this clause only if they initially set themselves the goal of changing the foundations of the constitutional order, which sounds absolutely absurd: is it really just that they will write in the Charter?

So, under Part 5 of Art. 13 you can pull up anything: even a circle of young technicians, even a society of fishing lovers - you never know why they are going? And what are they doing there, maybe they are also plotting something against the foundations of the constitutional order?

In 2018, Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov again proposed to return to the discussion of the issue of legalizing Russian PMCs in order to provide a legal framework protecting Russian PMC employees. Obviously, as Minister of Foreign Affairs, S.V. Lavrov is quite well aware of the activities of Russian and foreign PMCs and the effectiveness of their use.


It should be understood that the legalization of PMCs does not imply (should not imply) the disclosure of the activities of such companies abroad - PMC specialists are not required to wear military uniforms or other signs of belonging to a particular structure, if this is required by the specifics of the contract and the work performed.

Why do we need private military companies?


They will transform the unorganized mercenary market into an organized one.

By themselves, "wild geese" can earn money abroad, but they are unlikely to pay taxes, and it is not a fact that they will bring this money into the country and will not leave it in foreign accounts.

Unorganized mercenaries will defend economic and political interests, but whose interests will they be - the USA, Great Britain, France?

How to ensure that their activities are not directed against the interests of the Russian Federation?

The organization of "wild geese" under the auspices of Russian PMCs will give the greatest efficiency for all parties - Russian mercenaries, Russian companies and the state.

Now there is a lot of talk about the fact that defense enterprises should be reorganized into a civilian direction - "forging swords into plowshares." However, this will not be easy - the enterprises of the military-industrial complex (MIC) are simply not optimized to produce refrigerators and pans.

Meanwhile the market weapons Is one of the few markets that does not shrink, but grows continuously.

Considering the significant militarization of our industry, which was formed back in the days of the USSR, it is much more profitable to stimulate the defense industry enterprises to seize an increasingly large part of the world arms market - there is room for development here.

It is possible and necessary to "squeeze out" the maximum possible share of the arms market from the USA, France, China, Turkey and other countries, not to let new players into it, to squeeze out old ones.

And PMCs can contribute to this.

PMCs and OPK


How are private military companies and enterprises of the military-industrial complex connected?

Currently, nothing.

First, PMCs are not officially allowed in Russia.

Secondly, only the state power structures of the Russian Federation can initiate the development of weapons and armaments. But the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, with all its desire, will not be able to cover and pay for many interesting concepts and developments - there simply will not be enough money. And not all of them are necessary for the armed forces.

At the same time, the specifics of PMCs may require the development of weapons that the RF Armed Forces do not really need, at least at first glance.


Light attack aircraft are not of interest to the RF Ministry of Defense, but they may be of interest to PMCs, since they are much cheaper to acquire and operate, and then they can be exported to other countries with a limited defense budget

The tasks solved by PMCs are specific.

For example, the lack of aviation support, the opposition of numerically larger enemy groups, action in the face of opposition from several centers of power.

In Syria, for example, the United States and NATO, Israel, Russia, Turkey and many other countries operate simultaneously. Not to mention dozens, if not hundreds, of independent armed groups.

Only the most effective weapons and equipment will help to survive and ensure victory in this situation.

It is necessary not only to legalize PMCs, but also to provide them with the opportunity to initiate and pay for the development of weapons for enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex.


PMCs can be much less inert and much more proactive than MOs, since they will not be constrained by charters, regulations and responsibility for public money - this is just business, nothing personal.

At the same time, the RF Ministry of Defense can use the results of developments ordered by PMCs in their own interests.

Conclusions


PMCs can become one of the most effective tools for the economy and foreign policy of the Russian Federation.

The systematic work of PMCs, the armed forces and law enforcement agencies will make it possible to identify those who are suitable for work in PMCs and "export" their propensity for violence outside the territory of the Russian Federation, significantly reducing the level of violent crimes on the territory of the Russian Federation (of course, we are not talking about rapists, pedophiles and other scum, who should have only one way - to the gallows or to the execution chamber with sawdust on the floor).

For the formation and development of PMCs, it is necessary to completely abolish or radically amend article 359 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

It is necessary to provide PMCs with the opportunity to initiate the development and acquisition of weapons and weapons (within reasonable limits, we are not talking about delegating to PMCs the authority to create strategic weapons).

PMCs will not be replaced, but will effectively supplement the armed forces of the Russian Federationsolving specific tasks to protect national political and economic interests.

In the future, PMCs will be able to solve complex tasks of defense or attack within entire states and even regions.

PS


French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told Moscow that she did not need to send PMC Wagner to Mali. Such interference in the internal affairs of this African country threatens "serious consequences."

Well, if already now "non-existent" Russian PMCs are causing such a resonance in the international arena, then what will happen if this direction receives the active support of the state?
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  1. +8
    29 September 2021 05: 04
    Do you feel the ground and form an opinion?
    These guys will not do with hunting rifles, whose interests they will defend, at whose expense the financing, which state they will belong to and pay taxes, where will be ... "office", etc. ?
    There are a lot of questions and I think that this is not necessary in Russia.
    Another question of morality.
    1. -1
      29 September 2021 06: 18
      To refer to the laws of other countries that do not prohibit mercenarism is nonsense. In Europe, mercenarism has always been very widespread, the same SS is mercenary troops, where a person enters to fight not by conscription, but voluntarily for a salary. For Europeans, mercenarism is a part of culture and mentality, unlike Russians and Russia, where mercenarism was not encouraged and was considered a base occupation on a par with pirates and prostitutes.
      1. +3
        29 September 2021 08: 45
        ... that mercenary activity was discouraged and considered a base occupation along with pirates and prostitutes.

        Kuzya, and for what prostitutes !? fellow
        1. -7
          29 September 2021 11: 01
          Peter the Great used to exile walking girls to Siberia. Fornication is a sin condemned by the ROC.
          1. +6
            29 September 2021 12: 25
            The biggest sin is human stupidity. As for Peter, he himself sinned recklessly, and not only with girls.
            As for the Russian Orthodox Church, who would condemn anything ... laughing
            1. -1
              29 September 2021 12: 54
              Quote: Sea Cat
              As for Peter, he himself sinned recklessly, and not only with girls.

              So you think that Peter the Great was a sodomite? !!!! fool Is this taught in Ukrainian schools in history lessons?
              Quote: Sea Cat
              As for the Russian Orthodox Church, who would condemn anything ...

              That is, do you think that prostitution as a phenomenon is normal? Well, from the point of view of a Ukrainian, yes, it's okay, it's not for nothing that brothels of Holland, Germany and Turkey are crammed with Ukrainian women laughing
              1. +5
                29 September 2021 14: 18
                Is this taught in Ukrainian schools in history lessons?

                And what have Ukrainian schools to do with it? Do you have an idea of ​​a fix or just a sore spot, like Navalny, liberals and "enemies of the communists"?
                Unfortunately, I can’t help you with anything, because I graduated from an ordinary Soviet high school in the city of Moscow.
                In addition, I believe that Peter the Great absolutely does not care who someone thinks him here. request
                That is, do you think that prostitution as a phenomenon is normal?

                Women have been engaged in prostitution from time immemorial, for millennia, and no matter how anyone fought with this, it is impossible to defeat this profession. Think - why, if possible, I mean think.
                Well, from the point of view of a Ukrainian ...

                Again Ukraine ... No, for sure, you are clearly not indifferent to Ukrainians. laughing
                Okay, okay, I won’t tell anyone, don’t worry. wink
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              3. +10
                29 September 2021 17: 55
                Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                ... So you think that prostitution as a phenomenon is normal? Well, from the point of view of a Ukrainian, yes, it's okay, it's not for nothing that brothels of Holland, Germany and Turkey are crammed with Ukrainian women laughing


                Normal, not normal, but real. And there is no getting away from it. And this is not the worst thing that happens on the planet.

                The criminalization of prostitution causes enormous harm - it is the growth of crime, the lack of protection, so to speak, of the priestesses of love from clients and the arbitrariness of the authorities - is the concept of "subbotnik" familiar to you ?, and the loss of taxes, again.

                And to drag in the ROC as a moral guideline ... This is already beyond the bounds.
          2. AUL
            +4
            29 September 2021 13: 22
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            Fornication is a sin condemned by the ROC.

            Don't be confused! Fornication is a hobby, and a prostitute is a profession. Heavy, but honorable! laughing
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            1. -5
              29 September 2021 14: 20
              Hi Andrew. hi It will not reach him. request
              1. -1
                29 September 2021 15: 23
                Hey. hi Will hope...
                1. +2
                  29 September 2021 15: 42
                  How many followers of Kuzi are there? laughing and everyone has a mind ward. fool
                  Long live the Russian Orthodox Church !!! wassat drinks
            2. +3
              29 September 2021 17: 26
              Quote: Hyperion
              People in the Russian Orthodox Church are serious ... one hood in the region of 100K rubles.

              Solid Lord for solid gentlemen! © Pelevin
            3. -1
              29 September 2021 19: 55
              If only one cowl. He has dozens if not hundreds of them.
          4. -1
            29 September 2021 19: 54
            The Russian Orthodox Church is still that girl, how can they condemn their own people?
          5. 0
            14 October 2021 22: 08
            Actually, who is the ROC to condemn something?)) By the way, our church is also a kind of PBC (private biblical company)))
      2. +3
        29 September 2021 11: 29
        the same SS is mercenary troops, where a person enters to fight not by conscription, but voluntarily for a salary.
        and at the same time they took an oath of allegiance personally to Adik Schicklgruber (Hitler). Somehow it does not fit. Don’t you? And they were trained at the expense of the state. And again, the state provided them with the best technology (if anything).
        1. -7
          29 September 2021 12: 03
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          and at the same time they took an oath of allegiance personally to Adik Schicklgruber (Hitler). Somehow it does not fit. Don’t you? And they were trained at the expense of the state. And again, the state provided them with the best technology (if anything).

          So their employer was Hitler, it was he who paid them salaries. And the fact that Hitler paid for their training and provided clothes, weapons, food and equipment for free, so in the New Era, the kings and dukes also supplied the landsknechts with a lot.
          1. +2
            29 September 2021 17: 57
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            and at the same time they took an oath of allegiance personally to Adik Schicklgruber (Hitler). Somehow it does not fit. Don’t you? And they were trained at the expense of the state. And again, the state provided them with the best technology (if anything).

            So their employer was Hitler, it was he who paid them salaries. And the fact that Hitler paid for their training and provided clothes, weapons, food and equipment for free, so in the New Era, the kings and dukes also supplied the landsknechts with a lot.


            According to this logic, the employer of our military is Putin? They are trained at the expense of the state, and they are paid salaries, again - are they mercenaries?
            1. -3
              29 September 2021 23: 34
              The SS is a voluntary organization like the paramilitary police. And the Wehrmacht is a state organization, where it was called, and for evading the draft in wartime, they could be shot. Is it clear now? So the SS is a mercenary organization where no one was sent by force, and it was for this that the SS was recognized as a criminal organization.
            2. 0
              3 November 2021 09: 28
              And the Cat Kuzya is right. Waffen-SS formally - units of the security detachments of the NSDAP, and not the German state (army and navy). Since 1934, the SS were separated from the assault detachments as a separate structure of the NSDAP and were personally subordinate to Hitler and SS Reichsfuehrer G. Himmler. In December 1939, the number of the SS was 243,6 thousand people, including 223,6 thousand in the general SS (Allgemeine-SS). Since December 1934, the formation of units of reinforcement of the SS [de] troops (SS-Verfügungstruppe, SS-VT, SSVT) began, which in June 1940 received the name of the SS troops (Waffen-SS). By March 1945, the number of SS troops was 830 thousand people. And yet, yes, they were formed on a voluntary basis, were financed not by the state, but by the party.
          2. +1
            29 September 2021 19: 57
            So I didn’t pay from my own pocket.
        2. +1
          29 September 2021 12: 57
          So they served under the command of the state ... there are two concepts - contract soldiers and mercenaries.
          1. +2
            29 September 2021 19: 16
            there is no contradiction.
            the state is a mechanism in the hands of the ruling class.
            so that PMCs, that all are now acting in one direction, serve the interests of far from the people.
            1. 0
              3 November 2021 12: 27
              For whom the PMC is decided by one person - the owner.
          2. 0
            3 November 2021 09: 30
            No, not the state (Reich), but the NSDAP. They were not directly subordinate to the General Staff.
    2. -2
      29 September 2021 06: 28
      PMCs work in the interests of capital and capitalists, both domestic and foreign, I doubt that their activities will benefit the people and the national economy.
      1. +12
        29 September 2021 08: 34
        PMCs work abroad. I personally do not see anything criminal in this. The times when the state secretly sent ordinary Russian guys abroad to "provide international assistance" are over. Let them fight. Let them earn. There are many people in the country who know how to fight and take risks. They must have a choice.
        1. 0
          1 October 2021 19: 13
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          PMCs work abroad. I personally do not see anything criminal in this. The times when the state secretly sent ordinary Russian guys abroad to "provide international assistance" are over.

          Abroad, recruits, at the present time, have nothing to do.
          Professional fighters are needed there. The opponents are the same.
          1. 0
            3 November 2021 09: 31
            And the reservists? As in Germany, Switzerland, Sweden and other Denmark and Israel?
            1. 0
              3 November 2021 10: 45
              Quote: Michael C
              And the reservists?

              Abroad?
      2. +10
        29 September 2021 08: 37
        Quote: Pessimist22
        PMCs work in the interests of capital and capitalists, both domestic and foreign, I doubt that their activities will benefit the people and the national economy.


        Now everything is working in favor of the capitalists. And there is no national economy.

        But even under capitalism, people somehow live and work. PMCs are another opportunity to make money for those who are interested in it.
      3. -3
        29 September 2021 13: 59
        PMCs work in the interests of capital and capitalists, both domestic and foreign, I doubt that their activities will benefit the people and the national economy.

        do not hesitate - it will not bring
      4. +3
        29 September 2021 17: 02
        winked I would like to see a domestic capitalist who will create a PMC and cross the road to the government ...
        1. 0
          1 October 2021 19: 21
          Quote: Barberry25
          winked I would like to see a domestic capitalist who will create a PMC and cross the road to the government ...

          PMCs are needed for action abroad. Only abroad.
          1. +1
            1 October 2021 19: 45
            here ... and this principle applies everywhere, only the state has a monopoly on violence ... so no options ... Trump, by the way, was almost gobbled up for accusation that PMCs used to disperse rallies
    3. +4
      29 September 2021 07: 54
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Do you feel the ground and form an opinion?

      It looks like it.
      And not the first time already. But the production and legalization of PMCs (and in fact - private armies) is very fraught.
      PMCs can be much less inert and much more proactive than MOs, since they will not be constrained by charters, regulations and responsibility for public money - this is just business, nothing personal.

      And against whom this powerful military formation can be turned, one owner (the one who pays) knows. This formation, in the presence of a strong material base, will be able to change the government ...
      1. +10
        29 September 2021 08: 36
        Quote: Doccor18
        ... This formation, in the presence of a strong material base, will be able to change the government ...


        So this and the power structures can change the power, which has happened repeatedly in history. A question of control ...
        1. +2
          29 September 2021 08: 50
          Quote: AVM
          So this and power structures can change the power ...
          Of course, but the authorities, century after century, take this into account and try to format these power structures for themselves, establish the closest relations with the command, and control it. There are cases, but as a rule, in countries far from the term "developed" ... But the owner of a strong private army, with proper funding, does not even need to negotiate with anyone, you can simply take this power by force, and in almost any country of the world, everything will depend on the details ...
          1. +9
            29 September 2021 12: 48
            Quote: Doccor18
            But the owner of a strong private army,

            And strong private armies are not foreseen. Tens of thousands of light infantry, with a few splashes of armor, and a few helicopters / light aircraft is the limit. And even then .... Only the payroll, the annual, will be calculated in hundreds of dollars. The aggregate costs will creep out under the yard. And the content of such a structure is within the power of someone from the top 10 corporations. World top 10, not Russian. But the combat value will be very so-so. A couple of classic "heavy" brigades, with air and art support, will smear such a private army without problems. And such brigades in the RF Army are not a couple, and not a couple of couples. There are no people in the world so rich that they could compete with the state in terms of spending on the military.
            And the sphere of interests of such PMCs is the third world countries. And if we somehow get there, then let it be at least within the framework of the law, and not by creating openly criminal, from the point of view of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, structures. We already have a criminal and semi-criminal worldview, very, very many. Even at VO. Judging by the reaction to the posts in which I remember the Criminal Code, the Constitution, and so on. And it is clearly not worth aggravating the situation. Yes
            1. -12
              29 September 2021 13: 13
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              We already have a criminal and semi-criminal worldview, very, very many. Even on VO

              And what's wrong that the people want to live according to their concepts?
              1. +7
                29 September 2021 16: 33
                If in terms of concepts it is bad ... the country will turn into a "zone".
                The semi-criminal worldview does not bother me personally, this is a way out of the rigid "box" of laws, the habit of thinking with my own head (albeit not in the best way, that is why the wolves do not sleep, but when there are too many wolves it is already bad and it is necessary to start cleaning, which is fraught), but those who want to live at someone else's expense (it makes no difference whether they are in jackets or in tracksuits) must be pressed cruelly and revealingly.
                1. -5
                  29 September 2021 16: 35
                  Quote: SoloD
                  but those who want to live at someone else's expense (it makes no difference whether they are in jackets or in tracksuits) must be pressed brutally and revealingly

                  Contradict yourself.
                  According to the concepts, the kid should not work, but should wring out the suckers.
                  1. +5
                    29 September 2021 16: 39
                    What is the contradiction?
                    Such "boys" and it is necessary to "crush"
          2. 0
            29 September 2021 17: 04
            yeah, I see it straight, private traders are storming the Kremlin ... Or have you reviewed The Fall of the Angel?
        2. 0
          29 September 2021 13: 04
          Is there a PMC in Russia now? There is. They do not conflict under the control of the state and with the law. So why multiply entities? To create a private army for each "oligarch"?
          1. +3
            29 September 2021 17: 05
            well, in general, every oligarch has private armies in the form of private security companies, but the stronger the supreme power, the less opportunities these armies have, now, at best, except for the guard, they can quietly so that no one sees the disgruntled kick off ... and then, if he does not turn to the police
            1. 0
              29 September 2021 22: 12
              This is while they are CHOPs. And if you give them freedom on a legal basis, you will not fight back later.
              1. +1
                30 September 2021 09: 47
                laughing as I said, everything depends on the strength of the central government, if it is weak as in the 90s, then an ordinary private security company will become an army ... In this case, we have two types of PMCs - those who provide security and maintenance services, but do not fight, and those who exactly participate in hostilities ... both are under the control of the FSB, and some, in principle, are their off-duty tools
                1. 0
                  30 September 2021 18: 14
                  In fact of the matter. As long as the government is strong, everything is fine. But power sometimes changes, and sometimes unexpectedly. Some conditional Medvedev will come and these private security companies will turn into full-fledged private armies. Which will take away the country in pieces and will sell it at retail.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2021 22: 27
                    Well, following this logic, it is necessary to ban private security companies, But the question is .. what will prevent the oligarch from colluding with the officers of a particular military unit?
                    1. 0
                      30 September 2021 23: 42
                      Now? Fear of inevitable punishment :)
                      1. +1
                        1 October 2021 12: 31
                        that's the point .. that even the Chechens will be afraid with a strong government
          2. +1
            29 September 2021 18: 00
            Quote: Sergey39
            Is there a PMC in Russia now? There is. They do not conflict under the control of the state and with the law. So why multiply entities? To create a private army for each "oligarch"?


            So they will be under control, only there will be more of them, better equipped, more powers (abroad). With regard to activities in Russia, then only preparation, supply - no permits for any forceful actions. The same applies to private security companies. In this regard, my opinion is categorical.
            1. 0
              29 September 2021 22: 10
              The more of them and the stronger, the more difficult it is to control them. That's right, but I'm not sure if you need to let the gin out of the bottle.
          3. 0
            1 October 2021 19: 17
            Quote: Sergey39
            To create a private army for each "oligarch"?

            For action abroad. Only abroad.
    4. 0
      29 September 2021 08: 36
      Why not, what's wrong with morality?
    5. 0
      29 September 2021 09: 11
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Another question of morality

      It is not the faint-hearted ladies who have gathered here, references to morality do not roll.
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    6. +7
      29 September 2021 12: 52
      They still exist, they are simply registered in crooked paths. And do you feel a lot of problems with them?
      1. 0
        29 September 2021 13: 06
        Time needs to pass
        1. +2
          29 September 2021 19: 50
          The first PMCs with Russian personnel were Anti-Terror Oryol and Gusevskaya Lavochka, mid-2000s. How much more time do you need?
    7. +1
      29 September 2021 14: 08
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Do you feel the ground and form an opinion?

      both.
      A middle-class oligarch can create / hire PMCs, for example, in order to protect their mines in Zanzibar.
      As if yes, but they will be based in their homeland, in our country, they will receive material and technical support, a base, skills, habits.
      And then? If you need to apply them in the country, in your own interests?
      Here is the old data ONLY for top managers' salaries

      There is a plot in Rublevka, the castle has been built, the fur store is full, what's next?
      Money flows like a river (under 4 +/- rubles per day). I want something new.
      private army PMC!
      they may well support themselves ONLY for a salary.
      I remember militia and FSB officers could not approach Berezovsky
      so what is next? further as always
      1. +2
        29 September 2021 17: 35
        Quote: ja-ja-vw
        I remember militia and FSB officers could not approach Berezovsky

        Only not at all because he had a PMC. It is cheaper and easier for an oligarch to hire one of the competing government agencies.
        It seems to me that even if we have PMCs, it will be under state roof. For the siloviki do not like competitors.
        1. +2
          29 September 2021 21: 03
          Quote: Alexey RA
          For the siloviki do not like competitors.

          competitors there are all former security officials, and after retirement, the former security official is boring and wants a better car.
          ask who owns / heads most of the private security companies.
          and "love not loving" outside the plane of dough, dough crazy.
    8. 0
      29 September 2021 15: 42
      The whole world needs it, but Russia doesn't need it?
    9. +1
      29 September 2021 17: 00
      Morality in foreign policy?
    10. 0
      30 September 2021 11: 10
      Russia does not need it.

      Of course not, in Russia you need a dumb and powerless cattle who will be easily controlled, beggar and without any opportunity to protect themselves and their interests. Therefore, you are absolutely right. Only guaranteed poverty is needed. In general, it is already.
    11. 0
      1 October 2021 11: 21
      This is official in Russia. A contract is a contract of employment. Legalized mercenarism.
  2. +10
    29 September 2021 05: 20
    Why pound water in a mortar? PMCs are an effective instrument of foreign policy. How to put them all under state control is not a trick either. From an effective tool to refuse STUPID. This is exactly "to spite my mother's ears frostbite."
    And the legislative lapse. Guys, all DOSAAF falls under this article without options - are you lame?
    1. -5
      29 September 2021 06: 58
      effective instrument of foreign policy
      The main thing is to come up with an excuse. Also, children were trafficked and trafficked, such as they cannot be brought up in their homeland. Organ trafficking is also effective from a medical point of view.
      Tell us which PMCs defended the Soviet Union in 1941-45.
      1. +3
        29 September 2021 08: 35
        And you seem to be stuck in the distant 45, only the world has changed. Why is there an excuse, did not the same USSR send military specialists to third countries in the same Africa? And was it not the same way that these specialists helped to overthrow or helped to maintain the regime we needed. And these are, respectively, sales markets and contracts for our companies.
        1. -4
          29 September 2021 09: 31
          I'm not stuck anywhere. Humanity develops because it assimilates the experience of previous generations.
          Tell us when the PMCs were holding the front. Mercenaries, if possible, easily fade, they "work" for money, and they will not build heroes out of themselves.
          1. +2
            29 September 2021 09: 44
            Well, of course, and Palmyra probably the gardens themselves as much as 2 times were recaptured from the forbidden and the desert was cleared. Here's an argument.
            1. -2
              29 September 2021 10: 12
              Quote: sanek45744
              Well, of course, and Palmyra probably the gardens themselves as much as 2 times were recaptured from the forbidden and the desert was cleared. Here's an argument.

              And why on the territory of Syria the official troops of the United States and Turkey are quite "walking", and only PMCs can solve Russian problems? The VKS and the Navy are working. Maybe then PMCs transfer a couple of corvettes and a squadron of SU-34 ..?
              1. +2
                29 September 2021 10: 28
                This is what happens when arguments run out. The man asked, I gave him everything in fact, for what to juggle. why these irrelevant questions.
                1. -1
                  29 September 2021 13: 09
                  Facts?! And I will say that these were contractors and the troops of the SAR ... this is also a fact, and very close to the official version.
                  1. -3
                    29 September 2021 13: 12
                    who did not understand anything.
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              3. +1
                29 September 2021 18: 11
                Quote: Doccor18
                And why on the territory of Syria the official troops of the United States and Turkey are quite "walking"?


                There and PMCs them "walk", do not hesitate.

                Quote: Doccor18
                and can only PMCs solve Russian problems? The VKS and the Navy are working. Maybe then PMCs transfer a couple of corvettes and a squadron of SU-34 ..?


                They can not transfer, but they can provide support, interaction must necessarily be, incl. and on a financial basis. The PMC requested air support, the Aerospace Forces assessed the risks to the pilots / equipment, political risks, assessed the costs - if everything is ok, then the bill - payment - an air strike, why not?

                It's like a puff pie, from top to bottom:
                - strategic nuclear forces;
                - strategic conventional forces;
                - general purpose forces;
                - expeditionary forces;
                - PMC.

                Each upper level "covers" the underlying ones, in one form or another, so to speak.
              4. +1
                30 September 2021 15: 38
                - "Why on the territory of Syria ..." (C)
                Because the Americans tear their piece with both hands ... and we - with one, shyly picking our noses with the other finger ... We are shy ... smile
          2. +2
            29 September 2021 17: 47
            Quote: Gardamir
            Tell us when the PMCs were holding the front.

            Executive Outcomes, Angola. The locals hired them for advisory services and army rebuilding. And it all ended with direct participation in the hostilities to defeat UNITA.
            The irony of fate: the former soldiers of the South African army first reorganized the battered parts of the Angolan army by them, and then fought with the former allies.
            Quote: Gardamir
            Mercenaries, if possible, easily fade, they "work" for money, and they will not build heroes out of themselves.

            Mercenaries work for money. Who will pay them if the employer is defeated? And who will conclude the next contract with such a company? The same SWs preferred to take the risk and fulfill obligations not provided for by the initial contract - because otherwise UNITA would have demolished their employers.
            1. +1
              30 September 2021 15: 34
              - However, do not forget how it all ended for EO ...
          3. +1
            29 September 2021 18: 04
            Quote: Gardamir

            ... Tell us when the PMCs were holding the front. Mercenaries, if possible, easily fade, they "work" for money, and they will not build heroes out of themselves.


            And they do not need to "keep the front", now there will be no such fronts, in case of serious turmoil.

            As for PMCs, they have an agreement with the company, they "hold" a well somewhere in Syria, they left - they pay a penalty, or whatever the terms of the agreement are. Why should the RF Armed Forces keep this well for my taxes? On the other hand, why not let our company "keep" this well, if they want and can, with the help of PMCs?
          4. +1
            30 September 2021 14: 30
            - You will have to run far ... On the one hand, a prison or a bullet, on the other - lawsuits for violation of the terms of the contract. Here either with a shield or on a shield ...
      2. +5
        29 September 2021 09: 00
        Quote: Gardamir
        Tell us which PMCs defended the Soviet Union

        Pennant also effectively resolved "issues" in foreign policy, moreover, the PMC was not ... If the Motherland needs to solve an important problem abroad, then it needs a special unit, such as the Soviet Pennant.
        But if a private corporation passionately wants to squeeze out a deposit in a distant country, and the local natives are against it, then there is no way without a PMC ... This explains the flourishing of PMCs in the Western countries of "developed capitalism" ...
        1. 0
          29 September 2021 09: 39
          Well, yes, well, yes, all of you here I remember here I do not remember. and the ussr regimes pleasing to itself with the help of military specialists? And now the pennant exists, what is the problem, do you propose to send such specialists to train ordinary soldiers, or to protect ships from pirates? And yes, according to your own logic, the USSR was squeezing out deposits in a distant country. Now these needs of the state are being solved by PMCs and there is nothing wrong with that.
          1. -1
            29 September 2021 10: 03
            Quote: sanek45744
            with the help of military specialists? ... train ordinary soldiers ...

            And what, all the military experts of the USSR were in PMCs? They also served the Motherland, but abroad.

            Quote: sanek45744
            guard ships from pirates
            Whose ships? Under what flag? Liberia or Panama? Let the owner of the company take care of this.
            And if a ship is sailing under the Russian flag to a theoretically dangerous region, then what prevents a detachment of marines or border guards from being put on board?
            Quote: sanek45744
            yes, according to your own logic, the USSR was squeezing out deposits in a distant country

            Where is it? As far as I remember, the USSR did not wrestle, but on the contrary: it gave, built, donated, taught, helped, armed, moreover, more often on debt or completely free of charge.
            1. -1
              29 September 2021 10: 44
              The military experts performed the same functions as now the PMCs, and so all abroad.
              As for the ships, not an argument at all, but a fantasy.
              Well, yes, the USSR helped, only he defended his geopolitical tasks and interests. And who told you that it was free of charge, nothing is done just like that. Also, the same military experts without ranks defended the interests of the state, now this function is performed by PMCs.
              1. -3
                29 September 2021 10: 48
                Quote: sanek45744
                the same military experts without ranks defended the interests of the state

                Their titles were ...

                Quote: sanek45744
                By ships, no argument at all

                So what?

                Quote: sanek45744
                Well, yes, the USSR helped, only he defended his geopolitical tasks and interests.

                Naturally, but how else.
                1. 0
                  29 September 2021 11: 43
                  what ranks, they themselves say everywhere went without ranks and forged documents. As for the ships, as you imagine, there won't be enough soldiers for all the ships, and it's none of their business. You contradict yourself, stop dodging. In the Russian Federation now he defends his interests with the help of PMCs, there is nothing wrong with that. Soldiers will go there, but I won’t be surprised that you would raise a cry that how could our soldiers go to fight in the banana republic, this was never the case, all moral issues were violated. Do you know how many guys were killed in Syria and what kind of roasts there were, no, you do not know. And if these were the armies and the losses were announced, you would be the first to shout that it is necessary to urgently withdraw everyone from there. So it is not necessary here to talk about what is right and what is not.
                  1. -1
                    29 September 2021 12: 12
                    Quote: sanek45744
                    what ranks, they themselves say everywhere went without ranks and forged documents. By

                    Forged documents and lack of rank are not the same thing. In the skies of Korea, our military officers also fought in Chinese uniforms, can you also write them down in PMCs without rank and homeland?
                    Quote: sanek45744
                    As for the ships, as you imagine, there won't be enough soldiers for all the ships, and it's none of their business.

                    Seriously? Slightly more than four hundred ships sail under our flag, of which a maximum of 30% pass near Somalia or Indonesia, in total, a maximum of 150 ships, 10-12 people each - that's 1500 fighters. Do you consider this an unbearable task to ensure the security of international trade?
                    Quote: sanek45744
                    You contradict yourself, stop dodging.

                    This can be said about you.
                    Either you do not understand what I am writing about, or you refuse to understand.
                    Quote: sanek45744
                    Do you know how many guys were killed in Syria and what kind of roasts there were, no, you do not know. And if these were the armies and the losses were announced ...

                    So the whole problem is that Russian guys die quietly, without making the results public? This is the real reason for lobbying for the legalization of PMCs. Everything else is blah blah blah ...
                    1. -4
                      29 September 2021 12: 27
                      Yes, and the PMC is not the same Makhnovshchina. I say you were stuck in that time and the world has changed a long time ago. On ships, you think too narrowly and straightforwardly. Yes, and at the same time, the losses of the same specialists were hushed up, now I just don’t want to assign these functions to myself, so they gave the PMC a plus in this, that the PMC can work more flexibly in some issues.
                      1. -2
                        29 September 2021 12: 42
                        Quote: sanek45744
                        On ships, you think too narrowly and straightforwardly.

                        How can I get to the modern generation ...
                        At one time, several border guards quite clearly and successfully repelled the attack of the bandits on the fishing seiner ... But then, however, there was a different country, everything was different ...
                      2. -4
                        29 September 2021 12: 50
                        There are many organizational pitfalls in this matter, as for me, I have no doubts that the soldiers or border guards will repel the attack.
            2. +2
              29 September 2021 18: 17
              Quote: Doccor18
              And if a ship is sailing under the Russian flag to a theoretically dangerous region, then what prevents a detachment of marines or border guards from being put on board?


              And who will pay for all this?

              Quote: Doccor18
              Where is it? As far as I remember, the USSR did not wrestle, but on the contrary: it gave, built, donated, taught, helped, armed, moreover, more often on debt or completely free of charge.


              And why the heck do we need this? Everyone is so grateful to us now ...

              It was necessary to crush them all like cockroaches at the slightest resistance, and tore three skins - you see, now they would not "lie" under the United States, but they would love us so much that Mom would not grieve.
        2. +1
          29 September 2021 22: 05
          But if a private corporation passionately wants to squeeze out a deposit in a distant country, and the local natives are against it, then there is no way without a PMC ... This explains the flourishing of PMCs in the Western countries of "developed capitalism" ...



          Private "training" - private military schools and research institutes are quite compatible with morality. On the one hand, it is a market and a sphere of application for people, on the other, it is the ability to counteract unwanted "partners" through research and training of local civilian military personnel in countries subjected to aggression to protect themselves from it. Well, corporations won't have their own armies.
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  3. +10
    29 September 2021 05: 33
    The author believes that people who want to serve their country (army, special services), this is how they realize their inclination to violence?
    It's strange somehow. Awarded, including posthumously, warriors and militia, did not defend the country and the people, but simply thirsted for blood? I don't understand the author ...
    1. +4
      29 September 2021 06: 22
      This is psychology. You will not argue with the fact that not everyone is suitable for service in the army, and even more so in the specialty. Here we need to change the terms a little, but in general terms, everything is correct. It's not about bloodlust. It's about psychotic.
    2. -3
      29 September 2021 07: 03
      so realize their propensity for violence?
      And now to ask the author the mercenary will go on vacation, will he abandon his craving for violence in the battlefield, or will apply all his skills to those who got on his way and did not please with something.
      1. -3
        29 September 2021 08: 34
        Quote: Gardamir
        so realize their propensity for violence?
        And now to ask the author the mercenary will go on vacation, will he abandon his craving for violence in the battlefield, or will apply all his skills to those who got on his way and did not please with something.


        Imagine that you love to drive a car. We became a driver. On vacation, will you again immediately sit behind the wheel of your beloved Kamaz?

        If the propensity to violence is realized in the form of work, then on vacation a person will most likely want to rest from it, or he simply will not go on vacation.

        There is a good film about risk appetite: The Hurt Locker.
        1. +2
          29 September 2021 09: 07
          Quote: AVM
          On vacation, will you again immediately sit behind the wheel of your beloved Kamaz?

          A very interesting and strange comparison. Driving a Kamaz five days a week and shooting (or something else ...) at people "five days a week," to put it mildly, is not the same thing ...
          Try such a hypothetical mercenary with experience on the street to be rude or cut off in the stream ... Of course, there is enough violence without them, but these guys will definitely do everything "on the machine", do what they can best ...
        2. -1
          29 September 2021 09: 17
          I presented it. Having raised good money in hot spots, I bought an expensive wine sharpener, and then there was some kind of goof on the road. Dig it up, nna.
          Or you rest, you take off the heifer, and here is a shpak, you can hide him ...
          Aggression will not only not go anywhere, but it will be easy to turn on.
        3. 0
          29 September 2021 09: 28
          Quote: AVM
          There is a good film about risk appetite: The Hurt Locker.

          Adrenaline addiction
      2. +4
        29 September 2021 12: 54
        How do mercenaries behave on vacations now? After all, there are tens of thousands of them in the country.
        1. +1
          29 September 2021 18: 18
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          How do mercenaries behave on vacations now? After all, there are tens of thousands of them in the country.


          They hatch insidious plans to overthrow the existing order bully
    3. +3
      29 September 2021 08: 22
      Andrei Moskvin, the author mixed the righteous and the sinful: "with an increased tendency to violence" or a nutcase in another way. Such a person would rather go to an organized crime group there, it is easier to satisfy their desires. And the PMCs have their own strict rules and they need psychos in FIG. Take this, and he will begin to wet his own.
      Legalizing PMCs so that they are for the good of the state is another matter.
      "Wagner" effectively wets barmaley in Syria
      1. +1
        29 September 2021 08: 31
        Quote: vladcub
        Andrei Moskvin, the author mixed the righteous and the sinful: "with an increased tendency to violence" or a nutcase in another way.


        Not everyone who goes to boxers is crazy, but at the same time, he most likely has a tendency to violence. And when he beat others in the ring and beat him, he realizes this tendency to violence, and in most cases, the rest of the time he behaves like an ordinary person, without a tendency to violence, which is called "eating" her in the ring.

        Quote: vladcub
        Such a person would rather go to an organized crime group there, it is easier to satisfy their desires.


        That's the point, it's easier now, but it shouldn't be easier.

        Quote: vladcub
        And the PMCs have their own strict rules and they need psychos in FIG. Take this, and he will begin to wet his own.


        There is no psycho, but not everyone wants to endure the inconvenience in the jungle or in the desert, to experience the risk of battle or skydiving. This requires a certain temperament, will, aggression. And such a person either realizes himself in power sports, extreme sports, the armed forces, or goes to an organized criminal group / commits a crime based on unfulfilled needs. Expanding the scope of PMCs, we are creating another layer of jobs for people with such inclinations, and of course:

        Quote: vladcub
        Legalizing PMCs so that they are for the good of the state is another matter.
        "Wagner" effectively wets barmaley in Syria
        1. +2
          29 September 2021 09: 14
          Quote: AVM
          Not everyone who goes into a boxer is crazy, but at the same time, he most likely has a tendency to violence

          I disagree. Millions of boys go to the boxing section to become strong and confident. And here is the tendency to violence.
          This can also, and then with reservations, be attributed to those for whom boxing has become a profession.
          1. +1
            29 September 2021 12: 55
            I disagree. Millions of boys go to the boxing section to become strong and confident. And here is the tendency to violence.


            Are you a boxer?
            1. +1
              29 September 2021 12: 56
              Almost. I always worked better with my feet.
              1. 0
                29 September 2021 19: 49
                That is, when the young are put into sparring with more experienced boys, so that the extra ones will be screened out, have you ever seen?
                There is no boxer without anger.
                1. +1
                  30 September 2021 10: 26
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  That is, when the young are put into sparring with more experienced boys, so that the extra ones will be screened out,

                  Drop out? I have never seen such a "dropout" in serious coaches. If you are a Specialist, you must be able to work with any wards, achieve good results with them, despite their different physical and psychological abilities. In general, I think that the lower the percentage of this "dropout" in the section, the more professional the coach.
                  And we sparred with more experienced colleagues about once a month / one and a half, and not at all to "drop out", but to consolidate skills, in order to see how much the ward is progressing, and also to increase his motivation (there is always where to strive), and very rarely, in order to "teach a lesson" a little, so as not to "star" too much.
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  There is no boxer without anger.

                  It depends on what you mean by the word "anger". If you are angry with yourself, then yes, I agree. Such anger spurs on to progression in everything.
                  If anger is towards others, towards a sparring partner, then - no, this is not necessary. This anger even interferes with working in the ring, interferes with thinking.
                  In a battle, the winner is the one who is more calculating, who has outplayed, outsmarted and who prepared better, and not the one who has more aggressiveness. This is how the coach taught me once, this is how I taught my children, and this is how they will teach their ...
        2. +1
          30 September 2021 07: 15
          Regarding boxing, I agree and disagree. Under the Union there were so-called. DYUSSH, now there is or not, I do not know, and there a third of the boys were boys: "suffocated." They worked there to improve their health.
          "a certain temperament is needed" celekom agree. I will add: adventurism. There are many strong-willed people who can go through fire and water, but they do not have an awl in one place. Such "awl" and will are the main qualities of a "wild goose"
          1. +1
            30 September 2021 11: 02
            Quote: vladcub
            Under the Union there were so-called. DYUSSH, now there is or not I do not know

            Yes, DYUSSH and SDYUSHOR. Everything works. True, capitalism has made its own adjustments. Now almost everything depends on the personal motivation and connections of the coach, and the financial capabilities of the parents.
            Quote: vladcub
            and there a third of the boys were boys: "suffocated."

            Uriah Hall, Chris Weidman, Evan Tanner, if these names tell you something, they were "suffocated" too, sport made them Great, not only athletes, but also people ...

            Quote: vladcub
            They worked there to improve their health.

            And what's wrong with that? It is most important.
      2. 0
        29 September 2021 16: 47
        For the good of the state !!! And not a private business, this is where, in my opinion, the problem lies ...
  4. +9
    29 September 2021 05: 38
    PMCs can become one of the most effective tools for the economy and foreign policy of the Russian Federation.

    here it is - a national idea)
    1. +2
      29 September 2021 08: 46
      Solo said! good

      Hi Edward. hi drinks
    2. 0
      29 September 2021 11: 32
      Here is what Topvar's best commentator, Kot Kuzya, writes to us: "For Europeans, mercenarism is a part of culture and mentality, unlike Russians and Russia, where mercenarism was not encouraged and was considered a base occupation on a par with pirates and prostitutes."

      In the article, we dealt with mercenarism, it remains to understand how two other braces, previously considered low-lying, will help the military-industrial complex and geopolitics.

      Finally laughing , as the author writes: "In the end laughing , what difference does it make to the state what its citizens are doing abroad? laughing So why not let your citizens earn money abroad and bring money home? "
      laughing
      1. 0
        29 September 2021 18: 29
        Quote: Wildcat
        Here is what Topvar's best commentator, Kot Kuzya, writes to us: "For Europeans, mercenarism is a part of culture and mentality, unlike Russians and Russia, where mercenarism was not encouraged and was considered a base occupation on a par with pirates and prostitutes."


        This is very primordial and Orthodox, but has nothing to do with reality. I am sure that in Russia everything was in order with the mercenaries, they did not even hear about pirates then, we have more banditry - on land, with legs. And prostitution has existed everywhere and forever and ever.

        Quote: Wildcat
        In the article, we dealt with mercenarism, it remains to understand how two other braces, previously considered low-lying, will help the military-industrial complex and geopolitics.


        I don’t know about geopolitics, but there has been talk about state piracy - privateering recently, either the United States or Britain is going to issue letters of marque. And do not hesitate, they will feel that it is possible, they will give out. In the end, Western banks easily pocket other people's money, hiding behind sanctions. So the tankers with oil will "sanction".

        And it is high time to bring prostitution out of the shadows, create rules, districts, checks - there will be less crime, STDs, violence. And there is no sense in closing her eyes - she still won't go anywhere.

        And then the girls are bought and sold, incl. to other countries, rape, maim, infect - there is a sea of ​​HIV in the country, but they do not talk about it, and it seems like there is no such thing, everyone is so spiritual - what are you, how can you?
        1. 0
          29 September 2021 23: 24
          Quote: AVM
          And then the girls are bought and sold, incl. to other countries, rape, maim, infect - there is a sea of ​​HIV in the country, but they do not talk about it, and it seems like there is no such thing, everyone is so spiritual - what are you, how can you?
          - you are absolutely right here, unfortunately.

          And it is high time to bring prostitution out of the shadows, create rules, districts, checks - there will be less crime, STDs, violence. And there is no sense in closing her eyes - she still won't go anywhere.
          - you see, there is only absolutely black and white, bad and good. The problem with the legalization of prostitution is that for women what should not be the norm is becoming the norm, problems arise with relatives and partners, their children are children you know who. Therefore, it is punishable under the Code of Administrative Offenses, so that there is no temptation to "make cheap money" ...
          Yes, and for men it is harmful - they spend pussies, they sit on the Internet with "tanks - online" and sit with military sites, a woman is interested in them normal laziness (what is the relationship when the Internet is not turned off?) - and abnormal for the need to at least get a haircut / shave and they will not specify their nails, they need money ...
          As for "closing your eyes" - there are bearable sins like periodic excessive consumption of alcohol and tobacco, indecent words (especially when a brick hit the finger); there are intolerable sins, like homicide. And there are sins in the middle, for which, yes, you can and should, IMHO, "close your eyes", because it is said: "throw a stone, who is without sin."

          Quote: AVM
          I don’t know about geopolitics, but there has been talk about state piracy - privateering recently, either the United States or Britain is going to issue letters of marque. And do not hesitate, they will feel that it is possible, they will give out. In the end, Western banks easily pocket other people's money, hiding behind sanctions. So the tankers with oil will "sanction".
          IMHO, it used to be considered interesting to go civilize someone, "bear the burden of a white man." Now, right in front of everyone, it became clear that you can say "Fuck you all, tired", get on airplanes and leave the country in a couple of days, leaving it to the Middle Ages.
          And it used to be considered interesting to crawl through some Africa, look for diamonds and ivory. Now it is considered more interesting to hand out Brioni suits, residence permits, some cash and weapons to local leaders - and the leaders themselves will bring everything, they will put it through the pipe and they will ask for it - and they will be allowed to do this through the lip and the court.
          The leaders and their attendants will not be allowed on the threshold, of course, but they will take the children to study, some will even marry the locals. The daughters of Stalin and Khrushchev (well, what is there to run far into history, there are examples and closer) send their greetings to their homeland.

          This is very primordial and Orthodox, but has nothing to do with reality. I am sure that in Russia everything was in order with the mercenaries, they did not even hear about pirates then, we have more banditry - on land, with legs. And prostitution has existed everywhere and forever and ever.
          - but what about earhooks? But what about Stenka Razin?
          We also had notable captains Jackie Vorby!
          wink
          I propose to end this discussion on a high note - to sing about Stenka Razin (I really need to, a meter of tequila, although divided into three, requires singing):
  5. 0
    29 September 2021 05: 54
    Some ChuVaKi are registered in Hong Kong as a security company. There are many Slavs among them.

    They carry out all orders and foreign ones. The main loot is doing.
  6. +3
    29 September 2021 06: 32
    Anabasis of Xenophon is probably the first description of the actions of PMCs in ancient times. smile
  7. -2
    29 September 2021 06: 46
    Russia definitely needs PMCs, only the state should have 100% leverage over them.
  8. +6
    29 September 2021 06: 59
    Lived to the heroization of the mercenaries, he is a mercenary and a mercenary in Africa
    1. +4
      29 September 2021 08: 25
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      Lived to the heroization of the mercenaries, he is a mercenary and a mercenary in Africa


      No heroization. It's just a matter of creating effective tools. Although there is a certain romanticization of some professions - remember at least piracy.

      In terms of efficiency, you can also recall the French Foreign Legion, which is also a very interesting and useful tool.
      1. +2
        29 September 2021 14: 13
        In terms of efficiency, you can also recall the French Foreign Legion, which is also a very interesting and useful tool.

        So-so example. The Foreign Legion is a unit from the French ground forces. If there is a STATE need for this, if it is required by STATE interests, then nothing prevents the creation of a similar subdivision or formation as part of the armed forces of the Russian Federation.
        1. +1
          30 September 2021 14: 40
          - And already offered ... In the 90s. "Russian Legion". Including, for those who wanted to obtain Russian citizenship ...
    2. +3
      29 September 2021 12: 56
      Well, instead of mercenaries, you did not go to the defense of Lugansk or the liberation of Palmyra?
  9. -4
    29 September 2021 07: 21
    Who else would explain what is the difference between a mercenary, a contract soldier and an ordinary officer. laughing
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  10. +2
    29 September 2021 10: 12
    whose population is not very inclined to work, but on the other hand it is extremely belligerent.
    The author seriously believes that all these wars from the five will go somewhere where there are no relatives or is there a real threat?)
    1. +1
      29 September 2021 12: 57
      They're driving in reality
      1. 0
        5 October 2021 17: 23
        They're driving in reality
        They actually go to Russian cities to criticize. And in PMCs no more than from other regions, and even less.
        1. 0
          5 October 2021 22: 38
          Many thousands have passed through Wagner alone. So go, and you please return to reality.
          1. 0
            6 October 2021 09: 21
            Many thousands have passed through Wagner alone.
            Gone, but who? The Slavic corps is interesting why they called it Slavic?
            1. 0
              6 October 2021 11: 55
              Well, there are all sorts of people fighting and fighting. The building is a show-off of Gusev and Co.

              Now, please, an example of hiring from Wagner, who criminalize cities.
              1. 0
                6 October 2021 12: 40
                Now, please, an example of hiring from Wagner, who criminalize cities.
                What are you talking about? Read carefully.
  11. +2
    29 September 2021 10: 46
    PMCs can become one of the most effective tools for the economy and foreign policy of the Russian Federation.

    This is called - blurted out without thinking.
    1. 0
      29 September 2021 11: 20
      Half of the articles on Topvar are like that. This is exactly how they "blurted out without thinking" they write on any topic, from PMCs to planes.
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    2. +2
      29 September 2021 12: 57
      The Cossacks out there, with whips, with skulls on their chevrons and the inscription "God is with us" (like the Black Hundreds and you know who you are) - already exist - and have already been involved in the dispersal of people. Then, however, they chided ...

      These subjects are not interesting at all, more interesting are other subjects that magically appear in the case when a conflict arises over another construction site where people do not want it; a landfill or an idea to cut down some mountain that the residents of the surrounding area really like.
      These, as a rule, athletes, blizzard those who do not approve of other people's monetary interests and, moreover, hinder them. It is always impossible to find them later. Their effectiveness is not always 100%, sometimes people wipe blood from their muzzles and continue to stand.
      But if you develop the author's ideas, distribute weapons to athletes - they say, they are PMCs, they are only abroad and only for geopolitics and military-industrial complex interests - and then turn away a little ...

      There is an educational video on the Internet about how a PMC is guarding a plant in Syria. It just uses the products of the military industrial complex, dear to the heart of the author of the article: detonators for grenades, a Kalashnikov assault rifle and a sledgehammer, plus 4 PMCs, about which the author is so worried. Look, but at your own risk, as they say.
  13. 0
    29 September 2021 11: 18
    Overall, the article is bad.

    The main problem is that no one "above" wants to create legal "private armies", because at hour X they will definitely not be working on the Fortress plan. Everybody is satisfied with the semi-legal status, when "passionaries" somewhere out there fight and die like volunteers / chvkashniki, and if necessary, they can be soldered for a period under the relevant article.

    The argument "this will help support the military-industrial complex" is simply ridiculous (here politicians usually start howling about supporting pensioners).

    Well, for ordinary people, organized PMCs organize Kushchevka on an all-Russian scale. The arguments will be the same, but the scale is actually larger.

    Well, the false arguments are even too lazy to disassemble, half the article is as follows:
    "The tasks solved by PMCs have special specifics.
    For example, the lack of aviation support, the opposition of numerically larger enemy groups, action in the face of opposition from several centers of power.
    In Syria, for example, the United States and NATO, Israel, Russia, Turkey and many other countries operate simultaneously. Not to mention dozens, if not hundreds, of independent armed groups.
    Only the most effective weapons and equipment will help to survive and ensure victory in this situation. "
    "As a result, a huge layer of people takes out their negative qualities on others, deliberately or accidentally falls into the criminal environment, destroying society from the inside and forcing the state to spend funds on their neutralization and maintenance (unfortunately, due to the prohibition of the death penalty, it will not work to limit itself only to neutralization ). "

    PS In general, recently the level of publications on Topvar has slipped to unacceptably low values. Not even in terms of wild Opinions, just in terms of ignorance of the subject by the authors who write articles. And such articles, IMHO, are already half.
    Maybe this is a cunning plan for writing articles like this: let's write something like "The sun is black, I see it this way and National Interest confirms", add about Ukraine, "impudent", "mattresses", geopolitics, the military-industrial complex, Stalin - and voila, a huge clickbait and Everest comments.
  14. +6
    29 September 2021 11: 37
    The fact that the last few years have been actively raising the topic of PMCs in Russia. It says that we are moving further along the path of classical imperialism. After all, PMCs are an instrument of forceful intervention in the affairs of third countries to obtain new sources of raw materials or sales markets. And as the classics of the 19th and 20th centuries predicted, the further development of the use of such forceful methods will inevitably lead to bloodshed.
    But just like then, in the second half of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th, there will be many who want to defend mercenarism. Indeed, from the position of a mercenary, such work is only beneficial. Big money + the opportunity to visit distant lands + the opportunity to acquire an exotic trophy. And with a well-functioning group and good equipment, the risks of perishing are within acceptable limits.
    But from the point of view of the mass population, this only leads to problems. After all, PMCs are a tool for the aggressive work of large companies or the state. Which, in turn, leads to aggravations in the international arena and subsequent responses, including sanctions. And who will most of all feel the crises from sanctions or other conflicts - the ordinary population. And this is not to mention the fact that the development of PMCs and Rosgvardia (which is already larger in number than the army) will negate the need for the development of the army. And this will lead to its stagnation, gradual decline and crisis of preparation. Although the latter will not necessarily occur with the development of PMCs.
    1. -1
      29 September 2021 18: 39
      Quote: Mustache Cock
      ... Which in turn leads to aggravations in the international arena and subsequent responses, including sanctions. And who will most of all feel the crises from sanctions or other conflicts - the ordinary population.


      Sanctions will be imposed on us even without PMCs, according to the principle "and it is your fault that I want to eat" - the reason will be found - interference in elections, restriction of gay freedoms, the wrong hair color ...

      It is better to be rich and strong than weak and poor. It's trite, but true. We will crawl into their areas of responsibility, hit on their interests, maybe they will think whether it is worth to climb up to us. You will have to negotiate. Otherwise, they are the color revolution in Ukraine, and we are in Mexico.

      Quote: Mustache Cock
      And this is not to mention the fact that the development of PMCs and Rosgvardia (which is already larger in number than the army) will negate the need for the development of the army. And this will lead to its stagnation, gradual decline and crisis of preparation. Although the latter will not necessarily occur with the development of PMCs.


      The army will only benefit - work for retirees, you can buy weapons developed with the money of PMCs. Plus, there are tens or even hundreds of thousands of trained fighters.
      1. +1
        30 September 2021 13: 52
        To begin with, I will answer your first answer. "
        It is better to be rich and strong than weak and poor. It's trite, but true. We will crawl into their areas of responsibility, strike at their interests, maybe they will think whether it is worth to climb up to us. You will have to negotiate. Otherwise, they are the color revolution in Ukraine, and we are in Mexico
        "
        So after all, these are imperialist conflicts, which then become the basis and pretext for major wars. Mercenaries, taking care of themselves and their loved ones (as they themselves think), only hasten the approach of disasters. Not to mention the fact that an aggressive response to aggression is not a solution to the problem, but only a fight against the consequences. If you think that by creating a similar Maidan in Mexico, you will be able to outplay America in diplomacy, then you will be greatly mistaken. After all, instead of one military-diplomatic conflict, create a second one. Not to mention the fact that in most cases, mercenaries fight solely for the benefit of the individual persons of the state, and not for the entire people. If PMCs are sent to "cleanse" a certain territory from "opposition / rebels / terrorists" so that later the "liberated" territory will be protected for their corporations who will start to open their own business there (for example, some PMCs freed up oil rigs so that they would start producing oil for investors PMC). Will the ordinary population get better from this?
  15. +1
    29 September 2021 11: 45
    Private military companies gained prominence after the emergence of one of the most controversial PMCs - the American company Blackwater, founded in 1997 by former commando Eric Prince and shooting coach El Clark.

    Blackwater, along with other large similar companies, were registered as Private Security Companies or Agencies, and their charters do not contain a word about participation in hostilities, only security and instructing activities, and the big name PMC was invented by journalists.
  16. 0
    29 September 2021 12: 29
    Somehow, the statements about the fact that there are whole regions that do not like to work do not like to re-read the works of one Austrian artist?
  17. -1
    29 September 2021 13: 01
    Educational video, especially for those who are sure that PMCs need to be legalized:
    [media = https: //ok.ru/video/1360922808702]
    https://ok.ru/video/1360922808702
    1. +1
      29 September 2021 14: 22
      I can concoct such a video even on a smartphone. I will add audio to video in any language. Whole studios are working for such a scum as Navalny - one from Germany has already appeared. The Wagnerites are interfering with our enemies in Syria, the Central African Republic, and now they are trying to prevent them from entering Mali. I think it's clear whose ears are sticking out behind this video. I think you need your head not only to eat.
      1. -3
        29 September 2021 14: 55
        Quote: URAL72
        I can concoct such a video even on a smartphone. I will add audio to video in any language. Whole studios are working for such a scum as Navalny - one from Germany has already appeared. The Wagnerites are interfering with our enemies in Syria, the Central African Republic, and now they are trying to prevent them from entering Mali. I think it's clear whose ears are sticking out behind this video. I think you need your head not only to eat.


        1. I'm waiting for the video, the protagonists can make anyone you want, even Merkel, even Navalny. Take this as a basis.
        2. Nobody interferes with our enemies in Syria, CAR and Mali, they walk, fly, bomb as they want. As a last resort, if our enemies don't like us, they arrange Deir-Zor or shoot down Su24. For this we sell them from С400 to nuclear power plants (no need to remember the loan, with a return "somehow") and try to sell raw materials, but they do not want to!
        3. "I think it's clear whose ears are sticking out behind this video." - there are not only ears, there are faces and passports sticking out. They will recruit according to an ad, they do not look for personnel for "polmorsost" and this is the result. The personnel have fun themselves.
        4. "I think you need your head not only to eat." - Thanks!

        I am not against reasonable business, especially in Mali, Malians are almost no strangers to me wink .
        There are a lot of good things, especially gold (perhaps, on a small piece of it there are even my initials feel ) .If you have / will winked acquaintances, recommend - on the market they do it beautifully, cheaply and honestly (like they cut their hands for deception).
        But it should be a sensible business like in the USSR, and not "we will protect you, we will give you political advice, and you give us gold for this." We just raise a penny (diamonds / gold / little money).
        It’s not bad, it seems, did they teach Musa Traore and his colleagues at the Ryazan university?
        soldier
        Why we have a good idea (Mali is literally a bonanza) - I don't know, but only Rogozin is doing well now, but everywhere it is somehow not very ...
        Although one cannot do without a kind word and a machine gun in Mali now ...
      2. +1
        30 September 2021 00: 57
        A few photos from Mali, including the "russo-soviet visage to the morality of the warthog bang-bang":


      3. +1
        30 September 2021 00: 58
        And "strange Malian gold" (as it was laid out already, but let it be more):


    2. +3
      29 September 2021 15: 00
      Wildcat
      Can you answer why the Americans, the British, the French, the Poles, the same Ukrainians, can be PMCs, but the Russians cannot? Why is it possible for them, but not for the Russians? winked
      1. -2
        29 September 2021 15: 12
        There are many reasons, the main one is business.
        They will look for where the costs are lower and the income is higher (and the beneficiaries of this business will live in the UK, Israel and other quiet places). In this sense, Syria is bad, Mali is normal, Kushchevka is wonderful, Moscow is heaven on Earth.

        A simple example - the Syrian in the video only has pants and a T-shirt, you (and I also) have more property. The question is - who is more profitable to shoot in the legs?
        1. +1
          29 September 2021 15: 25
          So why can't the Russians, but Europeans and Americans, can?
          1. 0
            30 September 2021 02: 10
            Because the Russians again will not be given a weapon to everyone, not counting those who are not allowed at all (criminals, psychos, etc.). And it will not help much from those who have a weapon of the "motorized rifle platoon-company" level.

            As soon as PMCs, which officially do not exist, are legalized - every self-respecting "respected person", not only an oligarch (for example, Gundyaev has, to put it mildly, acquaintances in the "Forty Sorokov" organization - you can google about its activities yourself) will have his own PMC ... Well, because it makes no sense to keep lawyers, secretaries and accounting on staff if PMCs can come to the office on a friendly visit - and their own PMCs cannot meet them.
            Now, private security guards and / or "employees outside of working hours" cope with the protection of VIPs by private security companies.
            And someone will have a private security company, PMC, etc. - and someone "simple" - an unfamiliar precinct. If it is still not clear, you can google which organization offers simple Russians a very important service: "when they kill, then contact us."
            But this is half of the problem, the second half is "PMCs-demobilization".
            What do you think, people who have served in PMCs on a contract, what will they do on the territory of the Russian Federation? The parking gates are occupied. Will they go to work as couriers? Or will they do what they can? Lovely collectors who supply us with the news "collectors killed / beat / raped" will seem like angels against the background of PMKashnikov approaching their work with "a fire, a sledgehammer, a Kalash and a grenade detonator."
            We'll just get our version of Los Zetas, something like: "take control of businessmen-cashiers, withdrawing gray money abroad. Those who refused the" roof "were killed." https://lenta.ru/articles/2018/12/14/badfsb/

            So "nothing is true in itself, but everything depends on the circumstances", IMHO, right now we just don't have enough smut with PMCs.
            Again, no one suffers from this: everyone who needs to work there (or hire PMCs) can at least turn to a well-known chef in an organization (I emphasize that an organization that does not exist).
            Those who “need to go further, not to the Russian Federation”, who, for example, don’t like the cuisine of a famous chef, can find “Russian” organizations in other countries.
            But both the first and the second know that they can not only be imprisoned, but also due to their illegal status and bombed somewhere. Therefore, they sit quietly, they do not talk about career success (although there are exceptions here too).

            Theoretically, our PMCs could be their "roof for business" in Mali (and in Africa as a whole).
            But, firstly, there are no such business projects (writing off the debts of fraternal Africa is no longer funny); secondly, if such a story is started, then it is better to give it to the Ministry of Defense, let it be battalions of contract soldiers. The Ministry of Defense at least knows and knows how (if they want) to control military crime, and if "here and there, some of us sometimes" are not controlled, then for such "smart people" there are departments (departments) of the FSB of Russia in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
            1. -2
              30 September 2021 06: 16
              Thank you for the detailed answer. There is a prejudiced attitude towards Russians as a people. Well, at least you don’t start measuring the skulls yet, but you don’t openly call them "Untermenschs", like the followers of Aloizych. And yes, with such an attitude towards Russians, you really should not expect any good from us relationship to yourself and to supporters of your ideas.
              1. -2
                30 September 2021 11: 55
                Thank you for the detailed answer.
                Since I am Russian, there is a prejudiced attitude towards Russians as a people. Well at least you don't start measuring the skull yet, but you don't openly call it "Untermensch", like the followers of Aloizych. And yes, with such an attitude towards Russians, you really should not expect from us a good attitude towards yourself and towards the supporters of your ideas.
            2. 0
              30 September 2021 14: 47
              - There are no former specialists in "Setas" ... In the beginning there were a couple of deserters from the sergeant staff - and now the prisoners are alone, with a military look. smile
              1. -1
                30 September 2021 14: 53
                wink
                Well, there is good news, thanks!
  18. Rin
    -2
    29 September 2021 14: 45
    If these PMCs have legal, yes, but the principle is they are not there, then it will be terrorism.
  19. 0
    29 September 2021 14: 59
    After all, what difference does it make to a state what its citizens are doing abroad?

    Russia has sheltered millions of guest workers who take out money from our country, weakening the budget of Russia, and in return they bring in the infection (vaccinations are no longer done there - the paradise of anti-vaccines) and crime (after all, the streets of revenge go to us not professors).

    So why not let your citizens earn money abroad and bring money home?

    What negative consequences does the participation of Russian citizens in military conflicts abroad have for our country?


    Why shouldn't the author think about the article on the legalization of companies that could still be engaged in contract killings, piracy, drug trafficking, arms trade, banditry, slave trade, being companies with Russian jurisdiction and employees, but with activities exclusively outside the Russian Federation. Let them bring money here, pay taxes here, raise the economy. After all, what difference does it make to a state what its citizens are doing abroad? So what?
    1. -1
      29 September 2021 15: 15
      Here the Cat Kuzya mentioned prostitution ... with her the people at least remain alive ... and our successes are great and extensive. Some legal video:
      1. 0
        30 September 2021 17: 30
        Sophorumites!
        We got one who absolutely does not like Angelina Doroshenkova!
        Post with her prominusovan! Be carefull!
        stop
    2. 0
      29 September 2021 18: 42
      Quote: andybuts
      Why shouldn't the author think about an article on the legalization of companies that could still be engaged in contract killings, piracy, drug trafficking, arms trade, banditry, slave trade ... [/ b] So what?


      They don't talk about such things aloud, but I can assume that all sorts of the CIA out there are doing this pretty well, not being any PMCs. However, it is possible that together with the PMC.

      Honestly, I would not encourage it, but for me the priority is what is happening with us.
      1. 0
        29 September 2021 21: 49
        silently and our leaders, for sure, do this pretty well, mostly non-ideological nowadays. And it's not about them there, it's about our country. If mercenaries are officially allowed, then why did the others not deserve the same treatment? There is the same money - dollars or euros, even large ones, the state should not care what citizens are doing abroad, as long as they behave quietly here. Is not it?
        1. 0
          30 September 2021 18: 54
          Quote: andybuts
          silently and our leaders, for sure, do this pretty well, mostly non-ideological nowadays. And it's not about them there, it's about our country. If mercenaries are officially allowed, then why did the others not deserve the same treatment? There is the same money - dollars or euros, even large ones, the state should not care what citizens are doing abroad, as long as they behave quietly here. Is not it?


          After all, a fight over oil rigs is not drug trafficking, and certainly not trafficking in people or organs.
          1. 0
            1 October 2021 14: 36
            Agree that this "fight for oil rigs" is accompanied by murders, participation in civil wars, coups, pressure on state bodies of independent states and other things that are illegal in most countries of the world and condemned in a normal society. So such a fight is not far from the same drug or slave trade. And it is quite fair that our Criminal Code considers all this to be criminal offenses.
            Our state was outraged by the participation of the same "mercenaries" on the side of the same Chechen militants in the Chechen wars, and you are now suggesting that it should allow all this at the level of the law.
            Here you are in your article talking about national interests, and this is all for the squeeze from other oil rigs. But why does our state need its citizens to fight, maim and die for these towers? Has the Russian land really become impoverished by its "oil fields", that it needs to carry out a forcible seizure of towers abroad?

            Or the same Mali, what is there for state interests such that the head of the Foreign Ministry begins to defend PMCs? For information, trade with Mali in 2019 was less than $ 90 million, or $ 0,7 per person in Russia. Even its tenfold increase will not bring any significant effect for Russia and almost all of its citizens. Problems with France will cost more. Why amplify resonance with active support for mercenaries?
            French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told Moscow that she did not need to send PMC Wagner to Mali. Such interference in the internal affairs of this African country threatens "serious consequences."
            Well, if already now "non-existent" Russian PMCs are causing such a resonance in the international arena, then what will happen if this direction receives the active support of the state?
        2. +1
          5 October 2021 22: 41
          Not this way. this is a logical error. Just because someone can go and shoot terrorists does not mean that someone else can use drugs. Don't be confused.
          1. 0
            6 October 2021 16: 10
            I have no logical error, you just did not read it carefully - there was a thesis that the state should be indifferent to what Russian citizens do abroad.
            Our PMCs really need to shoot terrorists, tell me too. It is possible and necessary to shoot terrorists exclusively by official power structures and employees in the service of the state, mercenaries are not needed for this.
            1. +1
              6 October 2021 22: 01
              You have some kind of perverted consciousness. Who are you to decide what is needed in this world and what is not? A person is obliged to bring some benefit to society and himself, laws should not interfere with this.

              If someone wanted to personally go and shoot the ISILoids, then this is only his business, and not the state, which, as you write, "must".

              Our PMCs really need to shoot terrorists, tell me too.


              Well, find someone in the world who has flunked more Inhumans in ground battles over the past decade than Wagner. Maybe the Iranians with all their troops from all over the world - Hezbollah, Fatimiyun, Zeynabiyun, etc.

              And that is questionable.
              1. 0
                7 October 2021 11: 07
                You are talking complete nonsense. Have you ever wondered what you are saying? What means
                someone wanted to personally go and shoot
                someone? From the point of view of any sane person, this is just an excuse for premeditated murder. What is the benefit to society? Only the state has the right to violence in the modern world. With its system of checks and balances. How does this someone decide that he is shooting a terrorist? By the decision of the court, which recognized that the victim is a terrorist, or what? And if tomorrow such people decide that I (okay, I, most likely, from your point of view, such idiots do not mind) or you / your friend or relative - a terrorist and you will be a victim? Are you not afraid of such a situation, then will you also defend their right to kill?
                1. -1
                  8 October 2021 12: 20
                  What is the benefit to society?


                  Terrorist died.

                  Only the state has the right to violence in the modern world.


                  Not anymore. Even a CHOPovets in the Russian Federation can shoot to kill under certain conditions.
                  Calm down you already with your Soviet value system.
                  1. 0
                    8 October 2021 15: 53
                    Calm down you already with your Soviet value system.

                    I have a normal system of values, unlike your national fascist. The right to violence in any more or less developed and stable country is the exclusive right of the state.
                    1. +1
                      10 October 2021 00: 58
                      Stop chanting mantras. Neither in Russia, nor in the United States, nor in many European countries, this is not the case even on their own territory.
                      Another thing is that it is the state that delegates the right to violence to private structures (private security companies, for example) and regulates how they will resort to this violence.
                      Well, it's also possible with PMCs, no problem. What is being done in other countries.
                      Russia provides a paradoxical example - private traders can shoot at bandits and terrorists inside the country, but cannot outside it.

                      This will also be corrected when people perverted by Soviet approaches to social development die of natural causes.
  20. 0
    29 September 2021 15: 41
    And "MAP"? Or are they no longer working?
  21. 0
    29 September 2021 16: 15
    It is more profitable for the state officially not to have PMCs: citizens still think that it is immoral, partners go around puzzled, and someone makes money. Without a "roof in power" this type of organization is impossible in principle (in our country). The bottom line is mercenary, whatever one may say, dirty work with all that it implies ...
    1. 0
      6 October 2021 21: 17
      And how does a "contract soldier" differ from a "mercenary"? In fact, the same "Duke", only from the side.
  22. -2
    30 September 2021 10: 32
    The original message is both offensive and incorrect in general. People "... prone to violence ..." are mentally ill people and there are no such people either in sports or even more so in special forces. The author is apparently familiar with those who serve in them exclusively for American films. And in a normal PMC, an amateur of "bloodletting" and "massacre" is unlikely to be taken. So, they wanted to raise an interesting question, but wrote complete nonsense.
    1. 0
      19 January 2022 00: 36
      I know at least five of them. It is from special forces and mercenaries. All are scumbags, prone to violence. But the guys are good
  23. +1
    30 September 2021 15: 04
    - Not so long ago, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of one of the regions said that he did not have the possibility of recruiting personnel because of the "militarization of the region"! In the army and the border service, salaries will be higher!
    - If work in military companies becomes a daily routine, who knows if the power structures of the state might face a similar problem? After all, at least, you will have to raise salaries ... smile
    - And if you also take into account the existing practice of importing guest workers ...
    1. +1
      6 October 2021 21: 15
      "- And if we also take into account the existing practice of importing guest workers .."
      Do not worry, this will not happen, since Gastors have long been financed and funded through terrorist international cortels such as ISIS or Alkaid. And salaries there will be higher than any domestic ones, because they pay in American currency, often, sometimes, directly from the State Department.
  24. 0
    30 September 2021 16: 00
    Quote: 75Sergey
    These guys will not do with hunting rifles, whose interests they will defend, at whose expense

    Everything has been decided long ago.
    There is impressive funding, the best equipment, an excellent salary.
    Solving the interests of domestic hydrocarbon companies.
    Even with these shortcomings, PMCs have long become a reality. If the laws are finalized to suit the interests within the country, plywood will only have to spud potatoes on Rublevka, or uproot the forest beyond the Urals, for new cities

  25. 0
    30 September 2021 18: 20
    Any possible activity of people must be taken under the control of the state, otherwise it will fall under the control of criminal groups. A strong state has everything under control!
    1. +1
      6 October 2021 22: 02
      So the USSR died. And people with weak minds still have not understood anything.
  26. 0
    1 October 2021 19: 38
    Will not go. Will each horseradish have its own army from the hillock? Enough with them chops.
  27. SIT
    0
    2 October 2021 23: 12
    If mercenarism is a business and nothing personal, why should a mercenary work only in Russian PMCs? He was paid more at the Academy and he went to work for them. In the Russian PMC, he trained the Syrian army, and in the Academy he will train the Basmachi from the other side. A mess will begin in the Caucasus or Central Asia, he will go there according to the terms of the contract and will shoot at those with whom he hid in one raincoat in a tent back in the training of the Russian army. This is business and nothing personal.
    1. +1
      5 October 2021 22: 42
      This can be regulated by law
  28. 0
    3 October 2021 21: 49
    PMCs in Russia are needed to perform various tasks around the world, where the use of the Armed Forces is not advisable or unnecessary, but someone here does not like it for some reason or belief, but rather because they do not understand the role of PMCs in modern the world in view of narrow-mindedness and limited outlook. And Lavrov correctly raised this issue and I think the situation will change in the near future.
    1. 0
      6 October 2021 21: 10
      "I do not like it" according to simple "ethical" standards, since PMCs, being used in the interests of Russia (read against the interests of Western partner countries), pose a significant threat to the property, real estate and assets of numerous officials, "business and authoritative" representatives of big business, whose interests in this case, they can significantly suffer.
  29. 0
    6 October 2021 21: 07
    And what prevents the introduction of "3 legitimate days to plunder" the captured cities and countries of the enemy into the charters of the valiant Russian army?
  30. 0
    3 November 2021 09: 37
    PMCs mainly solve issues that at present cannot (for political reasons) or do not want (because of them) to solve the state structures. Drank dough to pay for PMCs, again, is a godly business.
  31. 0
    9 November 2021 07: 27
    Mercenary activities are not about exporting aggression, but about making money on human lives. People are new oil for our government, and for them the main thing is to earn money and dump abroad, they have nothing else in their heads.
  32. 0
    23 December 2021 14: 57
    Is the contractor a mercenary?

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