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"Oil at 80, gas at 800": in Europe commenting on energy prices and looking for a connection with politics

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Foreign economists and political scientists comment on the situation with the rise in prices for hydrocarbons. We are talking about the approach of the price of Brent crude oil to the psychological mark of $ 80 per barrel, as well as the fact that gas futures at one of the stages of exchange trading exceeded the level of $ 950 per 1000 cubic meters.


In Germany, the situation is commented on in relation to the elections, which took place both in the FRG itself and in Russia. Experts in Germany point to the fact that oil prices soared up against the background of record figures of the Greens in the elections to the Bundestag. Allegedly, this is how the market can react to the fact that the new German government will pay more attention to alternative energy sources. Look for a link to politics.

Apparently, there are those in Germany who are seriously confident that the elections in Germany today are capable of directly affecting the price indicators of energy resources.

Oil at 80, gas at 800. This could strike a blow to the economy of all of Europe.

At the same time, Goldman experts believe that by the end of the year, oil may reach $ 90 per barrel due to a reduction in supply volumes.

It is noteworthy that there are also those in Germany who have already seen the "hand of Moscow" in the rise in prices for hydrocarbons. The message is roughly the following: "It is Putin who is trying to show Germany what prices are expected for German consumers and German business in the event of a disloyal government." Is it necessary to understand this message in such a way that if oil and gas prices fall, then "Putin does not want to show Germany anything" in terms of the composition of its government "...

In Ukraine, they said that if in the near future oil and gas prices continue to remain at high levels, this could lead to "an extremely difficult winter period in terms of the need to ensure the functioning of the economy." In particular, it is noted that with gas prices above $ 500 per 1000 cubic meters and oil prices at the level of $ 80-90, the country's GDP growth may slow down to 1-1,5% in annual terms - at best. In the worst case, one can expect a sinking of the Ukrainian economy by 2-2,5%.

Against this background, Poland is urging to continue to exert sanctions pressure on Russian companies operating in the energy sector. The main focus is on new sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. In Poland, it is believed that if sanctions are imposed on "SP-2", then Europe will receive cheap gas "from alternative suppliers."

Meanwhile, Gazprom shares have reached their highest price since 2008.
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  1. Xlor
    Xlor 27 September 2021 14: 24
    +5
    we can expect a subsidence of the Ukrainian economy by 2-2,5%

    There is still room to sink! Peremoga!
    1. Peak
      Peak 27 September 2021 14: 36
      +8
      "Oil at 80, gas at 800": in Europe commenting on energy prices and looking for a connection with politics

      Classic but ...yes
      1. Machito
        Machito 27 September 2021 15: 12
        +16
        Europe itself twisted Gazprom's hands in order to buy gas not under long-term contracts, but at spot prices on gas exchanges. And the market itself regulated everything. In Asia, gas is bought at a higher price. And all the LNG goes to Asia. And what prevents Gazprom from acting in a European manner and selling all gas to Asia? While there are no pipes in the proper volume and gas carriers, but it is possible to build. And let Europe be heated by wind turbines. laughing lol
      2. Model101
        Model101 27 September 2021 15: 38
        0
        Here is a good video about green and the global transition ..
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 27 September 2021 14: 59
      +6
      Quote: Xlor
      There is still room to sink! Peremoga!

      The head of Naftogaz will defeat Nord Stream 2 as Alexander Usik defeated Joshua.

      “Our strength lies in the legal validity of our position. We have a successful experience when we defeated Russia with the help of the power of law. For example, yesterday there was a fight where our Ukrainian won due to boxing technique, skill, and not due to physical strength. much bigger, longer arms, everyone said that Usyk had no chances, but due to his technique and boxing training he won. Also, we won before Gazprom, being “underdogs”, no one believed that we could win ... How once, due to this power of law, we won and now we want to do the same, "Vitrenko said.
      That Usyk is a Traitor, now a hero ... They should have already decided .. wink
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 27 September 2021 15: 58
        +5
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        We also won Gazprom before ...

        We won ... only now Dusseldorf + and the price for the industry for $ 1000 stopping the Odessa port is included in the victory ...
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 27 September 2021 14: 26
    +15
    It is noteworthy that there are also those in Germany who have already seen the "hand of Moscow" in the rise in prices for hydrocarbons. The message is roughly the following: "It is Putin who is trying to show Germany what prices are expected for German consumers and German business in the event of a disloyal government."

    So, now the Greens will come with the idea of ​​abandoning JV 2 and the gas will be $ 5000 each, and of course Putin will be to blame
    1. dauria
      dauria 27 September 2021 14: 47
      +17
      and gas will be $ 5000

      I still haven't figured out this amazing "market". The gas in the pipe was 200 plus a tail, and it goes on - a long-term contract. Some German gets it and immediately makes 700-800 bucks, paying 200. I would immediately resell it - why should I spend it on production and heating? Where else can I grab 400% of the profit outright? belay
      Something is not being said here. Or they explain it differently.
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 27 September 2021 15: 00
        +3
        The price under the contract has changed, but not so much, 960 Baku - the price on the gas exchange, mainly sales from gas carriers or surpluses under "take-or-pay" contracts. At the moment, the surplus is dumb, like crazy gas carriers, the price is sky-high).
        hi
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 27 September 2021 15: 09
        +2
        We are waiting for the report of Gazprom for the third quarter. How many subsidiaries of Gazprom in Europe take an interest, Gazprom even owns underground storage facilities in Europe. For the second quarter, the average gas price is 240 per thousand cubic meters.
      3. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 27 September 2021 15: 18
        +9
        Quote: dauria
        and gas will be $ 5000

        I still haven't figured out this amazing "market". The gas in the pipe was 200 plus a tail, and it goes on - a long-term contract. Some German gets it and immediately makes 700-800 bucks, paying 200. I would immediately resell it - why should I spend it on production and heating? Where else can I grab 400% of the profit outright? belay
        Something is not being said here. Or they explain it differently.


        The Stockholm arbitration earlier ran into Gazprom that the wrong formula was used to determine the price of gas.
        Previously, it was that the main component was the price of oil. Gazprom had to rewrite all contracts to a new formula, in which 80% of the value is determined by the exchange value on the spot gas exchange.

        Those who do not have a long-term contract immediately buy at exchange prices of 800-900 from those who sell on the exchange.

        Those who have a long-term contract with Gazprom are bought at prices close to the exchange ones, but with a lag of 6-8 months.
        Now this price is less than 300, in two months it will probably be already 400-500.

        Gazprom supplies more gas than last year, i.e. Gazprom's supplies increased. LNG supplies have mainly decreased, and everything is being transported to Asia.
        1. spech
          spech 27 September 2021 18: 18
          +3
          Here is more detailed
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 15: 21
        -1
        Quote: dauria
        Something is not being said here. Or they explain it differently.

        Yes, they don't tell us something. The break in the logical chain is obvious. hi
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 27 September 2021 18: 31
          +3
          Underestimating the pace of economic recovery and growth in demand due to weather.
          Here are the automatics for example:
          1. There are only manufactures in the world 3. Taiwan, Japan (burned out inopportunely) and the States.
          2. Underestimated the rate of demand recovery and did not start the production cycle (they decided to save money).
          3. There are not enough microcircuits for everyone, but it is impossible to restore the shortage. Production cycle - from 6 months.
          4. China hurried up and started building the 4th production from scratch. And it may well be in time.
          With gas - almost the same. If it is nowhere to be found in storage facilities, and supplies are only enough to live on, the price for those who need to fill UGS starts to grow.
          Plus 27 trillion were printed in 2 years in the West. Inflation began to accelerate.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 18: 38
            -7
            Quote: Alex777
            Underestimating the pace of economic recovery and growth in demand due to weather

            The price of an economy that depends on the weather?
            Quote: Alex777
            China hurried up and started building the 4th production from scratch.

            Why didn’t anyone hurry up with us?
            Quote: Alex777
            Plus 27 trillion were printed in 2 years in the West. Inflation began to accelerate.

            We have it overclocked with a cartoon effect. For our entire economy depends on oil and gas dollars, which are depreciating today due to excess emissions, and this is a plus of regional inflation.
            Do you understand what this is about?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 27 September 2021 18: 46
              +8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Alex777
              Underestimating the pace of economic recovery and growth in demand due to weather
              The price of an economy that depends on the weather?

              I do not understand the question.
              The EU was going to pump gas in the spring / summer, but did not have time. It was hot and wasted gas to generate electricity.
              I suppose you are also aware of the calmness and cataclysms from which the wind generation suffered.

              Why didn’t anyone hurry up with us?

              The question is out of order. This is for Zyuganov. He knows. wink

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              We have it overclocked with a cartoon effect. For our entire economy depends on oil and gas dollars, which are depreciating today due to excess emissions, and this is a plus of regional inflation.
              Do you understand what this is about?

              I do not understand. We kind of talked about the EU?
              What does Russia have to do with it? They have their own problems, we have ours.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 19: 53
                -6
                Quote: Alex777
                I did not understand the question

                What's not clear? The weather-dependent economy is flawed, didn't you know? wink
                Quote: Alex777
                The question is out of order

                What does Zyu have to do with it when the question of top government officials? belay
                Quote: Alex777
                They have their own problems, we have ours.

                At least 30% of the Russian economy depends on the EU. Did not know?
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 27 September 2021 20: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  What's not clear? The weather-dependent economy is flawed, didn't you know?

                  So this is to Borey Johnson. This he does not know. wink

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  At least 30% of the Russian economy depends on the EU. Did not know?

                  And in the EU, almost the entire economy depends on the Russian Federation. bully
                  The essentially socialist economy of many EU countries is based on reliable supplies of energy resources from the Russian Federation under long-term contracts. These supplies allow Germany and others to build a stable, planned, socially oriented economy.
                  That is why the States, together with their tobaccos, are trying to destroy this foundation in every possible way. To weaken the EU once again. And rob. bully
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 20: 12
                    -6
                    Quote: Alex777
                    So this is to Borey Johnson. This he does not know

                    Gee-gee, how clever.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    And in the EU, almost the entire economy depends on the Russian Federation

                    You are a child if you think so. The structure of the EU's economy is openly available, forward to knowledge! wink
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 27 September 2021 20: 30
                    -5
                    Quote: Alex777
                    And in the EU, almost the entire economy depends on the Russian Federation.
                    The essentially socialist economy of many EU countries is based on reliable supplies of energy resources from the Russian Federation under long-term contracts.

                    What a news!
                    So we are the creators of European socialist happiness !!!
                    Let's say, but who does not allow us to create the same well-fed life for citizens as in Europe?
                    Reptilians and not to offer any kind of half-chains!
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 27 September 2021 20: 45
                      +7
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Let's say, but who does not allow us to create the same well-fed life for citizens as in Europe?

                      In short, life in Russia suits me more than life in the States.
                      I lived there for almost 10 years, returned and, in general, I am more satisfied here than there. It's more convenient and comfortable for me in Russia.
                      Therefore, further discussions with me on this topic do not make sense. hi
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 27 September 2021 20: 55
                        -8
                        Quote: Alex777
                        In short, life in Russia suits me more than life in the States.
                        I lived there for almost 10 years, returned and, in general, I am more satisfied here than there. It's more convenient and comfortable for me in Russia.
                        Therefore, further discussions with me on this topic do not make sense.

                        I do not understand what does the states have to do with it, it seems that there was a talk about Europe?
                        But I clearly understood that any discussions with you do not make sense.
                    2. Roman_vh
                      Roman_vh 28 September 2021 13: 48
                      0
                      Well, you are one of them (who does not allow), and I, everyone else, including those you were trying to subtly hint at.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 September 2021 20: 03
              +2
              Why didn’t anyone hurry up with us? Because it is very expensive for a long time and unrecoverable in Russian conditions, you can fuss as much as you want with our civilian microprocessors in view of the huge price, no one will simply buy - therefore, their production is dumped on the Taiwan TSMC and the deficit on the world market in a year or two will come to naught.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 27 September 2021 20: 15
                +3
                Quote: Vadim237
                Because it is very expensive for a long time and unrecoverable in Russian conditions, you can fuss as much as you want

                You write the correct and obvious things.
                Not only everyone can understand them! drinks

                therefore, their production is dumped on the Taiwanese TSMC, and the deficit on the world market in a year or two will come to naught.

                The deficit will come down, but China can still get into the market in time.
                Taking into account the fact that the Chinese car market in terms of volume has already reached the level of the US car market.
                And taking into account the car production that is deployed in China. Both their own and the Western. hi
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 20: 22
                  -6
                  Quote: Alex777
                  You write the correct and obvious things.

                  What's obvious? Are your parents, whom you help (I hope), are profitable for you? Do you think everything in this life is assessed by economic expediency?
                  Maybe enough nonsense to bear?
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 27 September 2021 20: 26
                    +2
                    I understand your level of education and culture.
                    You were still sitting at your desk when I was already doing business.
                    You don't have to worry and do not write to me. Adies. bully
                    PS I had the opportunity to closely observe AFK Sistema, which received billions of dollars, and production in Zelenograd for the development of Russian microelectronics.
                    So you have nothing to surprise me with at all. yes
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 21: 33
                      -6
                      Quote: Alex777
                      You were still sitting at your desk when I was already doing business.

                      Have you checked your pockets, or are thimbles already in vogue? wink
                      Quote: Alex777
                      Adies.

                      Adyes ZY does not mean. wink
                      Quote: Alex777
                      for the development of Russian microelectronics

                      When and where can you feel the result? wink
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 20: 18
                -8
                Quote: Vadim237
                Because it is very expensive, long-term and inexpensive

                Vadik, you absolutely do not cut the economy, since you do not take into account the long-term prospects. Children are absolutely unprofitable project, and judging by your conclusions, it is not worth giving birth. Although how does a person who has no children, but only stocks know this? wink
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 27 September 2021 20: 57
                  -5
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Vadik, you absolutely do not cut the economy, since you do not take into account the long-term prospects. Children are absolutely unprofitable project, and judging by your conclusions, it is not worth giving birth. Although how does a person who has no children, but only stocks know this?

                  Hey! Tell me, Kamrad, does this Vadik really exist? He sort of traded s / h about 5 years ago.
                2. Roman_vh
                  Roman_vh 28 September 2021 13: 51
                  +1
                  I have them (children) and I tell you, a really unprofitable project. Didn't you make them for fun?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 28 September 2021 14: 13
                    -1
                    There are condoms for pleasure. I had children for other reasons.
                    And I have five of them.
      5. Alex777
        Alex777 27 September 2021 21: 02
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        I would have resold it immediately - why should I spend it on production and heating?

        You couldn't "resell it" because you have your contracts under which you have to supply gas to your customers. Business and reputation. wink
        Liquefied gas is easily resold. Therefore, he is all in Asia.
        And from the pipe it goes to consumers. yes
  3. marchcat
    marchcat 27 September 2021 14: 27
    +12
    And who is the "alternative supplier" for the EU with a low gas price ???
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    2. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 27 September 2021 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: marchcat
      And who is the "alternative supplier" for the EU with a low gas price ???


      They sell cheap LNG gas destined for Europe to Asia at 1200 each.
      No price cut is planned in Asia ....
  4. Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 September 2021 14: 29
    -3
    And the end consumer will pay for everything. The prices of goods will rise and hence are imported. Export will be trampled, and the deficit at home and the price will trample the same. This swing with prices for an ordinary person will "crawl" deep into your pocket.
  5. Alex66
    Alex66 27 September 2021 14: 30
    .
    Gas at 800. As I understand it, we will have to pay more for heating, or the gas will be sold to Europe.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 27 September 2021 14: 46
      +4
      Here sarcasm must be marked ... many do not know this word. hi
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 27 September 2021 15: 19
      +5
      I pay 6,63 for gas per cubic meter of Belarus for 140 multi-year contract. You just need to throw something on the fan. Or you are from the country, then it is understandable.
  6. Runoway
    Runoway 27 September 2021 14: 30
    -5
    Oil 80, gas 800 "

    Where is the connection with the dollar at 73 ??????
  7. Klingon
    Klingon 27 September 2021 14: 30
    +2
    Quote: APASUS
    It is noteworthy that there are also those in Germany who have already seen the "hand of Moscow" in the rise in prices for hydrocarbons. The message is roughly the following: "It is Putin who is trying to show Germany what prices are expected for German consumers and German business in the event of a disloyal government."

    So, now the Greens will come with the idea of ​​abandoning JV 2 and the gas will be $ 5000 each, and of course Putin will be to blame

    Greens will not come, they gained only 14%, but they get into the coalition, but with a creak
    1. Cheerock
      Cheerock 27 September 2021 14: 42
      +1
      The Greens are ALREADY in the coalition. Green insanity continues.
  8. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 27 September 2021 14: 30
    +10
    In Poland, it is believed that if sanctions are imposed on "SP-2", then Europe will receive cheap gas "from alternative suppliers."
    I wonder what these alternative suppliers of such cheap gas are?)
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 27 September 2021 14: 51
      -3
      Quote: Trapp1st
      I wonder what these alternative suppliers of such cheap gas are?)

      They plagiarized
      "Abroad will help us.
      It seems like an American will carry them cheap
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 September 2021 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      I wonder what kind of alternative suppliers of such cheap gas are?

      On the horizon, these are not visible, I have already overlooked all eyes.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 27 September 2021 15: 30
        0
        And how much you pay for gas in your house, it's just interesting. You live near Tallinn. How is life with a deserved pensioner. Respectfully.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 September 2021 15: 48
          +5
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And how much you pay for gas in your house, it's just interesting. You live near Tallinn. How is life with a deserved pensioner. Respectfully.

          I honestly don't know. Home gas remained only in houses built until 80, only a boiler room for about 25-30 houses, but I know that we pay the same for a couple of years. Yes, life is normal, but I can’t get out of the habit of the seas, it gnaws at it all the time, and even from the sea I live 200 meters away, I look and see ships not in the raid, but the Feriks are rushing to the Swedes and the Finns, immediately nostalgia begins to torment. There was life, and on the shore there was existence.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 27 September 2021 15: 57
            0
            I agree completely, you are the captain, and I am a simple "Santa Claus." There we were in demand at sea, and now the most important thing is health. sixth kilometer in Murmash (Murmansk city cemetery) drinks
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 September 2021 16: 03
              +2
              Quote: tralflot1832
              I am the first in my last name who crossed the 60-year mark.

              Well, I then "plowed" up to almost 70 years. I do not regret, if there was a second life, I would go to "plow" again.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 27 September 2021 16: 10
                +1
                The same feeling, although sailing experience compared to you, I am a son. 25 years.
  9. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 27 September 2021 14: 31
    +4
    Meanwhile, Gazprom shares have reached their highest price since 2008.

    Spoiler: 350 rubles in 2021 for 1 share against 367 rubles in 2008.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 15: 23
      +6
      Quote: Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Spoiler: 350 rubles in 2021 for 1 share against 367 rubles in 2008.

      Did you want the truth? Get a portion of the minuses from the urya patriots! laughing
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 27 September 2021 15: 50
      +2
      Yes, so who are the shareholders of Gazprom. So to bring down the price, only on rumors about privatization. It was smart enough to refuse privatization. Assets are underestimated.
  10. ximkim
    ximkim 27 September 2021 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: APASUS
    It is noteworthy that there are also those in Germany who have already seen the "hand of Moscow" in the rise in prices for hydrocarbons. The message is roughly the following: "It is Putin who is trying to show Germany what prices are expected for German consumers and German business in the event of a disloyal government."

    So, now the Greens will come with the idea of ​​abandoning JV 2 and the gas will be $ 5000 each, and of course Putin will be to blame

    This is a gold rush that will soon pass.
    And then everything will be as usual.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 27 September 2021 15: 05
      +5
      Quote: ximkim
      And then everything will be as usual.

      Especially when, after the Holland, wells in Norway are depleted - and they have already reduced gas production
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 27 September 2021 15: 37
        -1
        The Middle East is still there))
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 27 September 2021 15: 55
          +1
          Can you tell me how Saudi Aramko was sold a year ago? It was forbidden even to conduct an assessment of deposits - you can see it, too, splashing on the bottom. So they did not sell it))) Now the resource is in the North Sea mainly, and icebreakers are only from the Russian Federation)))
          1. ximkim
            ximkim 27 September 2021 16: 03
            +1
            So the Middle East is not only North Arabia.
            Okay, let's say that the main resource is in the North Sea, and to get to them, you also need resources.
            That is, everything, gas again?
            Only gas sales?
            Yes, it will all be over soon.
          2. ximkim
            ximkim 27 September 2021 16: 12
            +2
            By the way ..
            Gazprom shows that it is only interested in its future.)) hi
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 27 September 2021 16: 13
          -2
          And we do not forget the Israeli Goliath, although the Americans are already in command there, we have to pay for the US military assistance.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 27 September 2021 17: 12
            0
            Sorry, not Goliath, this is Norway. Leviophanes, of course.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 September 2021 16: 56
        0
        Quote: Cowbra
        in Norway - and they have already reduced gas production

        We were at the summer prophylaxis.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 27 September 2021 17: 13
          +1
          They were on prevention for a whole year, minus 1,5 billion compared to last year.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra 27 September 2021 17: 15
          0
          According to preliminary estimates, by 2040, production in Norway may fall to 500 thousand barrels per day. Whereas by the beginning of this year, 2,137 million barrels of oil per day were extracted on the Norwegian continental shelf.

          https://oilcapital.ru/article/general/18-08-2021/v-norvegii-padaet-dobycha-nefti
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 28 September 2021 01: 00
      -1
      Unlikely. The market will reorganize to expensive gas and to return it again is a wild loss. Everyone will be satisfied with the average. If the winter is cold and the rate of return of the economies continues, then we are waiting for the emergence of a casino cartel that will not let prices fall. Europe is still kicking because green insanity rules, but avoiding long-term contracts with Gazprom has just begun to haunt. It will be even more fun further. Inflation has already accelerated due to a pile of money. Now the cost of everything in general will creep up.
  11. Grizli-666
    Grizli-666 27 September 2021 14: 37
    +7
    How interesting it was that he ran with a minus meter)) Perdaki burn
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 September 2021 14: 59
      +4
      Quote: Grizli-666
      How interesting it was that I ran with a minus meter.

      So not one but two, okay, I'll correct your rating with a plus.
      1. askort154
        askort154 27 September 2021 15: 23
        +6
        tihonmarine ...So not one but two, okay I will correct your rating with a plus.

        Statistics showed that there are two "consolidated" groups in VO - the Jewish one is already old, and the Azeybardjanian new, after Karabakh. I don't take into account the Ukrainian one. Each of these "patriots" are on duty at VO daily. If the Jewish "group" tries to put pressure on opponents with the previously prepared "super objective evidence" ", then the Azeibarjans stupidly minus until there are buyers in their fruit-kiosks. They work in a flock. Their presence on the branch is easily determined by the silent cons. We don't care about their "minuses", but it's funny to look at this "patriotic"
        fakecomet. Where is Russia and where are they ?! They puff up from their apparent impotence, in unison with the Anglo-Pole-Balts. And what else can they do against Russia - only "wow-wow". hi
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 September 2021 15: 40
          +3
          Quote: askort154
          And what else can they do against Russia - only "wow-wow".

          Yes, Ivan Krylov in his fables was right about the "mosek."
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 27 September 2021 14: 37
    +4
    "Oil at 80, gas at 800": in Europe commenting on energy prices and looking for a connection with politics
    ... Cool! And look at the stock speculators NOT, IN ANY way?
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    2. Cheerock
      Cheerock 27 September 2021 14: 54
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      "Oil at 80, gas at 800": in Europe commenting on energy prices and looking for a connection with politics
      ... Cool! And look at the stock speculators NOT, IN ANY way?

      Speculators where there is a scarce commodity. And now there is not enough gas for all comers and will not be enough in such situations.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 September 2021 17: 56
        +1
        Suppose I listened to another expert and was surprised at what he himself was "surprised"! And he wondered why such a panic on the market and just a shaft of not verified, not confirmed by any of the officials, not confirmed by "INFORMATION" that everything was gone, there was not enough gas and the storage was empty ??? After all, apart from the screeching of journalists and various politicians, what else do we hear ??? And NOTHING !!!
        Those. those serious guys who are in the know and MUST BE EXCITED !!! They are calm, work according to the plan and do not see difficulties much more than usual !!!
        So guess now, who's lying, earning political bonuses and working out some other cookies ???
        There is a tricky, long-term game, for such a specific PRIZE! These are the main players there, and who are in the wings, we do not really know !!!
        1. Cheerock
          Cheerock 27 September 2021 21: 15
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Suppose I listened to another expert and was surprised at what he himself was "surprised"! And he wondered why such a panic on the market and just a shaft of not verified, not confirmed by any of the officials, not confirmed by "INFORMATION" that everything was gone, there was not enough gas and the storage was empty ??? After all, apart from the screeching of journalists and various politicians, what else do we hear ??? And NOTHING !!!
          Those. those serious guys who are in the know and MUST BE EXCITED !!! They are calm, work according to the plan and do not see difficulties much more than usual !!!
          So guess now, who's lying, earning political bonuses and working out some other cookies ???
          There is a tricky, long-term game, for such a specific PRIZE! These are the main players there, and who are in the wings, we do not really know !!!

          So, I'm telling:
          - Last week in northern China in 10 provinces out of 14 began power outages and restrictions on supply to consumers. The reason is that there is not enough gas and coal for generation. The party announced a course towards decarbonization the year before last, and they were allowed to hold the Olympics only if the Chinese bring the air around Beijing and throughout the entire Beijing region to European standards. China said - shit is a question, we'll do everything! And he did: he closed two hundred mines, switched boiler houses from coal to gas and began to suck in gas like a vacuum cleaner, which upset the cozy renewable energy-gas balance in Europe. In the summer, the Europeans began to suspect something, but decided that everything would calm down when the Chinese turned off the air conditioners in the fall. The Chinese turned off the air conditioners and immediately turned on the heating. As a result, there was no more gas on European markets, and even less, because LNG was leaving for China and continues to leave Europe.
          Today Bloomberg publishes a large, detailed article on all the reasons for what is happening on the front page and says: let's pray that the winter is warm - otherwise we are all frustrated, because there is no coal in the markets either.
          Meanwhile, the price of electricity in the UK reaches 379 euros per megawatt from 29 euros in February, in Germany - 157 euros per megawatt from 33 euros in February. In the UK over the past week, 7 suppliers of electricity and gas to households have filed for bankruptcy, in Germany the same process began last Thursday. Fertilizer factories have been shut down. And this is just the beginning. Nobody is fighting for any prize, just "civilized" humanity thoughtlessly fell for the "green agenda" and crossed the line on which it was balancing last year.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 September 2021 08: 25
            0
            Quote: CheeRock
            because LNG, as it left for China, continues to leave by Europe.

            What is the conversation, what is the problem for us ???
            We have pipelines and the desire to enter into long-term contracts for the supply of PIPELINE GAS ... problems with LNG, these are their problems.
            The question is, why should we worry about the problems of not our regular customers / consumers?
            Those. about what you write, it is known, it is clear, BUT ... these are their problems and how can our pipeline affairs be drawn to this, and even blamed for THEIR ... problems?
            Those. flies separately, cutlets separately.
            1. Cheerock
              Cheerock 28 September 2021 21: 07
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              Quote: CheeRock
              because LNG, as it left for China, continues to leave by Europe.

              What is the conversation, what is the problem for us ???
              We have pipelines and the desire to enter into long-term contracts for the supply of PIPELINE GAS ... problems with LNG, these are their problems.
              The question is, why should we worry about the problems of not our regular customers / consumers?
              Those. about what you write, it is known, it is clear, BUT ... these are their problems and how can our pipeline affairs be drawn to this, and even blamed for THEIR ... problems?
              Those. flies separately, cutlets separately.

              In this case, there is no particular problem for us, and the European press does not write much about the fact that Gazprom is to blame. But we again have Chuyais on the first pages with the idea of ​​installing green windmills in the Arctic, since there is a lot of space and wind for them good
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 September 2021 21: 18
                +1
                Quote: CheeRock
                Chuyais climbs out with the idea of ​​installing green windmills in the Arctic, because there is a lot of space and wind for them

                This time, the redhead will be shoved back ...
                In view of the many difficulties on the servers, the absence of consumers nearby, this idea has no great prospects.
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 27 September 2021 16: 22
      0
      Golden time for speculators, such a swing is in price. Just watch the news. You don't even need to go into production technology.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 September 2021 17: 58
        +1
        Speculators, this is the same part of the big game, which is the very BUSINESS ... for specific, not sickly such babosiks, the influence that you have babosiks, later!
        NOTHING EXTRA!
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 27 September 2021 18: 40
          +1
          I would have played, but who will allow me to get to this golden feeder.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 27 September 2021 19: 26
            +1
            Ha, ha, in films such as "Dark Zone", everything is so interesting !!! In life ... everything is more prosaic, tragic or stupid! This is how it goes.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 27 September 2021 19: 45
              +1
              I don’t have an entrepreneurial streak, deceive my neighbor. And in 94 I almost became the egg king of Murmansk, a competitor walked around the circle with one point. . We started together from scratch. And I, as a techie, and so do not live badly.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 September 2021 06: 21
                +1
                Well, yes, 90 years old, babosiks earned and ... maybe it was fun, but oh, no repetition ...
      2. Cheerock
        Cheerock 27 September 2021 21: 50
        +1
        There is no swing. There prices are already breaking through the ceilings, because there is not enough gas for everyone, as was the case in previous years. Have passed the energy transition and decarbonized good
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 September 2021 06: 24
          0
          Gas is "not enough" for those who preferred to scream and run over, and not to maintain a partnership with someone who can REALLY supply / sell gas!
  13. gridasov
    gridasov 27 September 2021 14: 44
    +3
    All tears must be left to the defeated. If the enemy, and Russia is actually alone, then the law of war remains unshakable, which means that the situation must be pumped to the fullest and not leave any chance to anyone. History constantly shows that benevolence turns out to be many times more expensive.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 27 September 2021 14: 57
      +3
      The situation is temporary. You need to download it to the fullest and wisely. Gas at 900 Gazprom is not needed in the long term. For substitution with oil, coal, wind turbines .... will be. Yes, it was lucky with the prices, but long-term contracts are more important. They will be more agreeable in Europe for the long term, and JV 2 plays into the hands.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 15: 37
        0
        Quote: Azimut
        Yes, it was lucky with the prices,

        And not the fact that it was accidental.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 27 September 2021 16: 50
          +1
          All questions to European officials, with their third energy package. The coal terminal in Murmansk is already loaded to the most. Dockers send a big thank you to the Europeans.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 27 September 2021 16: 53
            +3
            Quote: tralflot1832
            All questions to European officials, with their third energy package. The coal terminal in Murmansk is already loaded to the most. Dockers send a big thank you to the Europeans.

            And what is the profit for the citizens of the Russian Federation?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 27 September 2021 17: 01
              0
              Dockers in Murmansk are not Russian citizens? In 2007, the coal mining foreman received a salary with five zeros in space, and he was Azerbaijani by nationality.
              1. Roman_vh
                Roman_vh 28 September 2021 14: 07
                +1
                To whom are you explaining, this is a cast on a fan.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 28 September 2021 14: 11
                  0
                  I know, all their callsigns are known. They are still doing badly.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 18: 15
            -2
            Quote: tralflot1832
            All questions to European officials, with their third energy package

            Are you still positioning the euro officials apart from ours?
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 27 September 2021 18: 27
              +1
              Thanks to the position of European officials, our officials raised my salary by 15 thousand. And it used to be much higher, the average "temperature". across Russia
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 18: 32
                +1
                Quote: tralflot1832
                And it used to be much higher, the average "temperature". across Russia

                Let's estimate your salary in relation to the average in Russia, and it will immediately become clear that you are an exception, not an average Russian.
                And your exclusivity is highly dependent on hydrocarbon prices.
                Normal economy?
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 27 September 2021 18: 35
                  +1
                  Let's estimate the increase in wages for public sector employees in Russia as a whole.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 27 September 2021 20: 00
                    0
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    Let's estimate the increase in wages for public sector employees in Russia as a whole.

                    Let's estimate the increase in salary for public sector employees with real inflation, and in the ratio of the number of public sector employees to the rest of the population?
                    1. Roman_vh
                      Roman_vh 28 September 2021 14: 09
                      0
                      You can't even imagine how many there are.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 28 September 2021 14: 15
                        0
                        And how much? Google refuses to provide you with information? wink
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 27 September 2021 18: 13
        +2
        I absolutely agree with strategic planning of both the company and in general that which exercises power. And I agree with you. Price issues are part of the whole complex of processes and the present and the future. Already now it is necessary to develop the energy sector not based on hydrocarbons.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 27 September 2021 18: 29
          0
          I myself also see how it is there in the Murmansk region, they are building a wind power park. They are building. With the winds there is normal.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 27 September 2021 18: 33
            +2
            It is a pity that few people from the state pay attention to, for example, our developments. We are considering fundamentally new propellers instead of propellers, and we do not want this to end up in Russia.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 27 September 2021 18: 38
              0
              I hope that Rossatom, the chief in Russia, for wind energy, will not miss these developments. It has only $ 44 billion of firm contracts for the atom.
    2. dauria
      dauria 27 September 2021 22: 59
      0
      All tears must be left to the defeated. If the enemy, and Russia is actually alone, then the law of war remains unshakable, which means that the situation must be pumped to the fullest and not leave any chance to anyone. History constantly shows that benevolence turns out to be many times more expensive.


      Bravo !!!! Finally, programmers have come up with a phrase for the virtual "Gridasov" that can be inserted into almost any topic. Do they have an entire library of such streamlined phrases, or will we finally see the rudiments of something similar to artificial intelligence in many years?
  14. HAM
    HAM 27 September 2021 14: 50
    +3
    "...." to an extremely difficult winter period in terms of the need to ensure the functioning of the economy ... "
    The original interpretation of one Russian word ...
  15. askort154
    askort154 27 September 2021 14: 53
    +1
    In Ukraine they said that if in the near future oil and gas prices continue to remain at high levels, this could lead to “an extremely difficult winter period from the point of view of the need to ensure the functioning of the economy ”.

    What an unexpected conclusion for Ukraine. The "roasted cock" has been pecking their ass for 7 years, but they are only now starting to feel it.

    Against this background, Poland is urging to continue to exert sanctions pressure on Russian companies operating in the energy sector.

    And here, there is nothing new, Polish "Panove-hyenas" cannot sleep well, if they did not manage to shit in a neighbor's well before sunset.
  16. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 September 2021 14: 55
    +1
    "Oil at 80, gas at 800": in Europe commenting on energy prices and looking for a connection with politics

    It is time for Europe to look for those donkeys that will sell gas, at least 250 each ... But they still figure out how to hang a Ukrainian yoke on Russia ...
  17. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 27 September 2021 14: 55
    +4
    In Poland, it is believed that if sanctions are imposed on "SP-2", then Europe will receive cheap gas "from alternative suppliers."

    From this, prices will not fall, prices rise quickly, but fall very slowly. And Europe itself "raises" them.
  18. Cheerock
    Cheerock 27 September 2021 14: 57
    +1
    Meanwhile, power outages and restrictions are underway in northern China due to coal shortages and exorbitant gas prices. good
    Okay, gayropeans are green seniors. What were the narrow-eyed people thinking when they signed up for decarbonization? recourse
  19. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 27 September 2021 15: 35
    0
    Against this background, Poland is urging to continue to exert sanctions pressure on Russian companies operating in the energy sector.

    Polish fix idea "In spite of the Russians, let's freeze our ears.
  20. sen
    sen 27 September 2021 15: 41
    +1
    In Poland, it is believed that if sanctions are imposed on "SP-2", then Europe will receive cheap gas "from alternative suppliers."

    And what prevents you from doing this now. The Poles have drunk their last brains.
  21. zwlad
    zwlad 27 September 2021 16: 13
    0
    Oil at 80, gas at 800

    It seems that the hegemon has run out of resources (political and financial) to keep prices below the baseboard.
  22. Lokdaun
    Lokdaun 27 September 2021 16: 23
    +1
    Oil at 80, gas at 800. This could strike a blow to the economy of all of Europe.

    And yet God is with Russia .. The main thing is not to eat up this money, but to invest.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 27 September 2021 19: 57
      +1
      In times of crisis, money ceases to play a key role. It is necessary to keep the economy from failure and society from revolutions.
  23. Stepan S
    Stepan S 27 September 2021 16: 26
    0
    In Poland, it is believed that if sanctions are imposed on "SP-2", then Europe will receive cheap gas "from alternative suppliers."

    Hey, alternative suppliers, where are you! Urgently fulfill the Wishlist of Poland or Putin will attack!
  24. BABAY22
    BABAY22 27 September 2021 18: 09
    +7
    In Poland, it is believed that if sanctions are imposed on "SP-2", then Europe will receive cheap gas "from alternative suppliers."

    And you can announce the list of these "alternative suppliers" who cannot eat as they want to supply cheap gas.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 27 September 2021 20: 58
      0
      For the Poles, such a question is too complicated, in view of the meager mind.
    2. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 28 September 2021 14: 13
      0
      I'm not sure about the cheapness, but there is a list
      Novatek
      Rosneft
      GazPromNeft
  25. hohohol
    hohohol 27 September 2021 20: 10
    0
    The record rise in gas prices in Europe has brought significant profits not only to Russia, but also to Norway. In this regard, Ukraine should apply to the European Commission to provide an appropriate assessment of compliance with European energy legislation, Norway's receipt of additional profits from rising gas prices.
  26. 123456789
    123456789 27 September 2021 20: 40
    0
    Here are Bismarck's most famous quotes about Russia:

    Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast.

    Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed, supposedly supporting you. They are not worth the paper they are written on. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians either honestly, or not playing at all.

    Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of the main power of Russia. Russians, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, will just as quickly reunite with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.

    It’s easier to defeat ten French armies, he said, than to understand the difference between perfect and imperfect verbs.

    It’s worth playing with Russians either honestly or not at all.

    Preventive war against Russia - suicide due to fear of death.
    Choose any laughing
  27. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 28 September 2021 09: 44
    0
    It's easier to write to them for everyone waiting for the real truth:
    European, American and global resellers of gas, oil and energy resources on the Austrian exchange and other exchanges want to be able to milk Europe and everyone else.
    By reselling resources, they are several times more expensive than they purchased.
    And even more so on rumors, bikes and stuffing.
  28. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 28 September 2021 09: 58
    0
    For resellers and moneybags reselling resources and not mining them, this is just a business and nothing personal ...
    Alas.
    Terrible face of capitalism !!!
  29. Roman_vh
    Roman_vh 28 September 2021 14: 17
    0
    Meanwhile, in the castle of the Chief (c) The Adventures of Captain Vrungel
    Norwegian gas companies have reported an amazing increase in profits. And they reminded the Hebrew buyers that “to upgrade to 100% spot is their own idea.