The results of a poll in Lithuania: 80 percent of respondents believe that the situation in the country is worsening

Despite the statements of the authorities of the Baltic republics that life is getting better every year, in fact, the opposite is true. As the opinion poll conducted in Lithuania has shown, the majority of the population believes that the situation in the country is deteriorating.

More than 80% of respondents, or rather 81%, think that the situation in Lithuania is deteriorating. This is a significant figure showing that not everything is as good as the authorities claim. The survey showed that the number of the country's residents who assess the situation negatively has grown compared to last year, and significantly. In 2020, with a similar survey, sixty percent of respondents thought so. 20% per year is very serious.

Among those who consider the situation negative, the majority are residents of small towns and villages, farmers, Russian-speaking and Poles living in the territory of the republic.

18% of respondents believe that the situation in the country is improving. These people, according to the survey, include a part of young people under 30, leaders of various kinds and officials, people with higher education, as well as supporters of the current government.

Another 1% of the respondents refused to answer the corresponding question at all.

Lithuania has been a member of the European Union since 2004 and is considered one of the poorest countries in the EU. Lack of own production, subsidized budget, the main part of which are aid programs from Europe and the USA, lack of independent policy - all this applies not only to Lithuania, but also to Latvia and Estonia. The situation there is not much better.

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[Sergey M. Karasev]

And, of course, Putin and Lukashenko are to blame.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

And, of course, Putin and Lukashenko are to blame.

Well, yourself. Who admits it

[Peak]

The results of a poll in Lithuania: 80 percent of respondents believe that the situation in the country is worsening

The same 80% will pack their bags tomorrow and go to work in more prosperous and prosperous EU countries.
And they will return to the next poll ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

The same 80% will pack their bags tomorrow and go to work in more prosperous and prosperous EU countries.

There you still need to count how many Russians and Lithuanians are left there. The Russians definitely have nowhere to go. I mean the old generation that caught the USSR

18% of respondents believe that the situation in the country is improving. These people, according to the survey, include a part of young people under 30,

But these will definitely knock down

[Sergey M. Karasev]

The Russians definitely have nowhere to go. I mean the old generation that caught the USSR

Will they not be allowed into Russia? Or don't they want to?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Or don't they want to?

Themselves. Here at VO, one forum member told me how he persuaded his relatives to move to Russia. I didn’t persuade. The main argument was that we have graves of parents and relatives here and we will not abandon them.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

There are people, especially the older generation, for whom this argument is unshakable. I know them myself.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

There are people, especially the older generation, for whom this argument is unshakable. I know them myself.

That's what I said about the older generation.
It's easier for the young to get off the ground

[210ox]

And by and large they have nowhere to go. Those who are younger are more or less settled (a relative of my wife, but he really likes him in Riga, he is an IT specialist with a good salary).

[Grits]

Quote: Seryoga64

I didn’t persuade. The main argument was that we have graves of parents and relatives here and we will not abandon them.

I didn’t persuade, because living there, apparently, is still more comfortable than in Russia.
Who can explain to me how it turns out that in the absence of natural resources, with destroyed enterprises, their standard of living is higher, wages are higher? How does the tax system work? If there is nothing to take taxes from, there is practically no economy of its own. In any case, compared to the Russian one. But the Balts do not sell coal, gas, oil, timber, metals, fertilizers, wheat abroad ... How do they live? And they live well. Wonders.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Gritsa

How do they live?

Through EU subsidies

[Mikhalych]

Will they not be allowed into Russia? Or don't they want to?

The question is not correct. The correct question is: "are they waiting for us there, especially pensioners?" Or suggest how Gorbachev led the troops from Germany to tents on an open field?

[210ox]

No one is expected. They have no work here, it's easier to go to Europe to work. And those Russians who remained in the Baltics have a completely different idea of ​​their roots, patriotism. I'm not saying that they support the authorities in the Baltics, they just got used to it and they are happy with it.

[Waterways 672]

Some already consider themselves Europeans in the first place, and not Russians. On social networks, you can see Ivanovs, not Ivanov from Latvia, they are no longer embarrassed by this. They actively moved from the Baltic States in 93-95, then this process slowed down greatly. It was hard for the local population in Russia then, let alone the newcomers. There were attempts to build settlements for settlers, but more and more scandals related to this were somehow heard.

[210ox]

Quite right. Now they do not move to Russia from the Baltics. Yes, and more. If we had a survey, what percentage would say that the situation has improved?

[Harry.km]

Quote: 210ox

If we had a survey

If you have forgotten or did not know, then as recently as last week such a survey was conducted. Bottom line: 71% believe that life, at least we have become no worse. And they also trust the leading and guiding role of the party and its members, for whom they put a tick in the questionnaires. And we follow such polls with a fair amount of consistency. Actually, like the answers to them ...

PS Actually, we are still in paradise, and the rest will simply die.

[210ox]

Well I shed a tear. Well, thanks to the "party and government" for our "achievements" ....

[boris epstein]

And what should they go with? There would be footholds in Russia and their own money for at least the first six months or a year, and many Russian-speaking people would leave Ukraine for Russia.

[den3080]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote: PiK

The same 80% will pack their bags tomorrow and go to work in more prosperous and prosperous EU countries.

There you still need to count how many Russians and Lithuanians are left there. The Russians definitely have nowhere to go. I mean the old generation that caught the USSR

18% of respondents believe that the situation in the country is improving. These people, according to the survey, include a part of young people under 30,

But these will definitely knock down

Exactly. 18% are those who live at the trough selling Russophobia and + those who have the opportunity to leave when everything falls apart in order to love their native Lithuania from afar. And 81% - in general, there is nowhere to go.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: den3080

Exactly. 18% are those who live at the trough selling Russophobia

Well, in the article about it there is

leaders of various kinds and officials,

[Pilot]

Quote: den3080

Exactly. 18% are those who live at the trough selling Russophobia and + those who have the opportunity to leave when everything falls apart in order to love their native Lithuania from afar. And 81% - in general, there is nowhere to go.

Yes, some here are great specialists in time to give on slippers and from afar to love the Motherland. How does Russia from Finland love crunching Finnish cookies? There is still such a Baltus, the current is not yet visible today - you see it is still sleeping with "hunger".

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Pilot

There is still such a Baltus, the current is not yet visible today - you see it is still sleeping with "hunger".

The most interesting thing is that this Baltus in VO is one of the main putriots.
It turns out that love for the homeland is especially strong for many from abroad.
Let them come back and share our "prosperity" with us.

[Pilot]

Stroporez, the campaign of these imported putriots here is like fleas on a tuzik, but not everyone spreads about the foreign stay. Take, for example, the ensign ,, Z ,, - I doubt that he lives in Russia if nothing concerns him - rising prices, new taxes, ,, reforms, bans, new fines and other ,, gifts ,, from edra .. ..

[lucul]

It turns out that love for the homeland is especially strong for many from abroad.

Like you)))
By the way, how are things with gasoline there in England? They say the queues are lined up? )))

[Bolt cutter]

Smart and gifted people are trying to stockpile gasoline like toilet paper used to be. As a result, at some stations you wait until the clown fills his 6 cans But oil refining capacities have not disappeared anywhere and are operating at normal load. And what?

[lucul]

But oil refining capacities have not disappeared anywhere and are operating at normal load. And what?

But England is said to have a shortage of 100 heavy truck drivers, which is why the Britons explain their shortage. )))

[210ox]

I will try to join me for my former compatriots. We have one small homeland, the Smolensk region. He didn’t give "on sneakers", he moved during the Soviet Union. But then how many people went there from the RSFSR? Who is by distribution, who is studying. There are millions of them. Someone returned, some stayed, some moved to Europe. And so they are from hunger? A relative in Riga, for example, is happy with his life. Everything suits him.

[Pilot]

210sq .. and they all drown as one for ..? That's the whole question.

[businessv]

Quote: PiK

The same 80% will pack their bags tomorrow and go to work in more prosperous and prosperous EU countries.

What else can they do? I want to live well, in any case.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: PiK

The results of a poll in Lithuania: 80 percent of respondents believe that the situation in the country is worsening

Is the situation in our country improving?

Quote: PiK

The same 80% will pack their bags tomorrow and go to work in more prosperous and prosperous EU countries.
And they will return to the next poll ...

And our fellow citizens in the number of a million this year moved to permanent residence in a wooden mac and will not return back.

[Machito]

Quote: PiK

The results of a poll in Lithuania: 80 percent of respondents believe that the situation in the country is worsening

The same 80% will pack their bags tomorrow and go to work in more prosperous and prosperous EU countries.
And they will return to the next poll ...

We are waiting for the results of the survey, when Batka will redirect all transit to Russian ports.
The Baltics, as they were poor a thousand years ago, have remained. But sex tourism for the brave German and Swedish guys has been flourishing since then.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

The same 80% will pack their suitcases again tomorrow

Why collect them, sat down and went where the normal earnings, they also do not need a visa and payment in the ES is the same for everyone, this is a problem for Svidomo.

[tatra]

Likewise, the Russian enemies of the communists will never admit their responsibility for what they did to Russia and the Russian people after their seizure of the RSFSR, the responsibility for the capture of which they cowardly blamed on the communists for 30 years.

[Rubi0]

How bored you are with your communism. The Bolsheviks themselves do not want to repent for the ruin of the civil war, the ruined Russian centuries-old traditions and Orthodoxy, the intelligentsia, in the end, which was rotted away twice, at the beginning of the century and at the end during the collapse, leaving it corny without food. For plants and factories that were first taken from Russian merchants and industrialists and then sold for a penny to foreign bourgeoisie in the 90s

[tatra]

How tired of the enemies of the communists, for all the accusations YOU rush to rage against the communists, cowardly to blame them for what you have done, starting with the Civil War unleashed by YOU together with the invaders of Russia, with the aim of capturing Russia by you, to responsibility for that. what you have done with the republics of the USSR and their peoples you have captured.

[Rubi0]

So because it's true. I advise you to go to Kronstadt and visit the Naval Cathedral of St. Nicholas and listen to its history. The hair really stands on end as it was possible to drain the Russian culture, traditions and memory down the toilet, and in the literal sense of the word, hang urinals in place of the names carved in granite.

[tatra]

WHAT is the truth of your anti-Sovietism, which you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, have the only justification for your seizure of the USSR in 30 years?
WHAT of Russian history and culture remained with YOU yourself, after your capture of the RSFSR, destroying not only Soviet, but also Russian, and instilling foreignism everywhere?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Rubi0

The hair really stands on end as it was possible so the Russian culture, traditions and memory were drained into the toilet

well, the Roamnes have leaked a thousand-year history, but for some reason you don't reproach them for this

[Abbot]

Quote: Rubi0

You don't have to go far in the center of Moscow, the Abrikosovs' chocolate factory.

Oh, Roshen blew. Chocolate is delicious. Only the vast majority of the population of the Empire did not even dream of this product. Tell me, be we caress, in your Russia "which we have lost" there were many merchants and industrialists, so why didn't they industrialize before 1917? All the delights of industrial backwardness immediately crawled out during WWI. Couldn't, right? But the communists did it. I recently found out that even shovels for the army were bought in Japan. Shovels, Karl!
P.S. In your posts on the thread, a banal retelling of Western propaganda leaflets - old torn accordions. This is sad.

[Rubi0]

And who dreamed of him at that time, can you tell about the children of England who worked in coal mines 100 years ago at the age of 9 and after a change they ate sweets in three cheeks

[lucul]

Tell me, be we caress, in your Russia "which we have lost" there were many merchants and industrialists, so why didn't they industrialize before 1917?

Tell me, by what year were the Bolsheviks able to build their battleship of the level of the battleship Sevastopol (Paris Commune)? There was no developed industry under the tsar at all, yeah.

[Abbot]

Tell me, by what year were the Bolsheviks able to build their battleship of the level of the battleship Sevastopol (Paris Commune)? There was no developed industry under the tsar at all, yeah.

Compared to the 19th century, of course, it was. The development of the Navy is the history of the arms race. Therefore, the mere presence of any battleships does not mean a high level of industrial development in general. Well, they built several battleships, and what next? And rivals have three times more of them. And the weapons systems are outdated. It is obvious that the plans to create a modern and powerful fleet of the Soviet regime had to be postponed. It's hard to imagine how it would have developed if the communists rushed to build these battleships of yours. That would be the end of the fairy tale.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Rubi0

The Bolsheviks themselves do not want to repent for the devastation of the civil war,

In fact, the White began the Civil War, the Bolsheviks in 1918 were the LEGAL and LEGITIMAL power in Russia, the Provisional Government, which overthrew the tsar, dissolved itself, Kerensky and others fled abroad. The Bolsheviks had no reason to start the Civil War, it was started by the White Czechs, who were supported by Denikin's Volunteer Army, Social Revolutionaries and separatists in Ukraine.

ditched Russian centuries-old traditions and Orthodoxy

If you are such an adherent of Russian centuries-old traditions, then wear a blouse, a caftan, bast shoes, slurp cabbage soup, give up electricity, the Internet, a passport, bank accounts and so on, because grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not use it! All this is from the Devil!

intelligence in the end, which rotted away twice, at the beginning of the century and at the end with the collapse, leaving it corny without food

The intelligentsia is 1,5% of the nobility from the entire population, who parasitized on the common people, and who then fled to Paris and Nice to their villas and to their foreign accounts? Before 1917, your ancestors were nobles? As for the intelligentsia during Perestroika, they were all rotten, typical examples are Novodvorskaya and Solzhenitsyn, some are still alive and can only chatter and hate. This is what they can do!

Quote: Rubi0

For plants and factories that were first taken from Russian merchants and industrialists and then sold for a penny to foreign bourgeois in the 90s

What kind of factories and factories of Russian merchants were sold to foreign bourgeoisie for a penny? Norilsk Nickel? Surgutneftegaz? Gazprom? Avtovaz? Rusal? Alrosa? I didn’t know, I didn’t know that these corporations were created by Russian merchants before the revolution!

[Mikhalych]

In fact, the White started the Civil War, the Bolsheviks in 1918 were LEGAL and LEGITIMAL power in Russia

??????

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Mikhalych

??????

You will study the materiel, then knock yourself on the forehead. I hope you will not argue that the Bolsheviks overthrew the tsar? And then there were such individuals ...

[Mikhalych]

You will study the materiel, then knock yourself on the forehead.

Firstly, it's not me, but you should knock yourself.
Secondly, I know the materiel.

the Bolsheviks in 1918 were LEGAL and LEGITIMAL power in Russia

This is after the ultimatum of the sailor Zheleznyak: "the guard is tired"?

I hope you will not argue that the Bolsheviks overthrew the tsar?

This hope of yours has come true only partially. And I hope that you will not argue that the Bolsheviks, together with the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Bund and other bastards, killed the sovereign's servants and worked to destroy the Empire. They especially achieved great success in the disintegration of the army and navy.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Mikhalych

This is after the ultimatum of the sailor Zheleznyak: "the guard is tired"?

If power is transferred to the Bolsheviks by the will of only one sailor, then this power is not worth a broken cent. I already told you that the Provisional Government dissolved itself, and had NO desire to hold on to power. Can you imagine the situation that Navalny comes to the modern State Duma and says: "The guard is tired, please everyone to clean the room!"? Will the deputies and Putin run away from such a statement?

Quote: Mikhalych

This hope of yours has come true only partially. And I hope that you will not argue that the Bolsheviks, together with the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Bund and other bastards, killed the sovereign's servants and worked to destroy the Empire. They especially achieved great success in the decomposition of the army and navy..

And you know who back in March 1917, when the Bolsheviks were in power and did not smell at all, issued Order No. 1 and the Declaration of the Rights of a Soldier, according to which officers could only ask their soldiers, but not order, and officers were forbidden to punish soldiers for non-observance of the order, and that now the soldiers themselves can choose their own commanders? Is it normal in the WARING army at all? Yes, even in a non-belligerent army, this is unacceptable! The army and democracy are fundamentally incompatible, the army is precisely the army due to strict discipline and subordination of the younger to the elders, otherwise it is not an army, but a rabble!

[Mikhalych]

Can you imagine the situation that Navalny comes to the modern State Duma and says: "The guard is tired, please everyone to clean the premises!"? Will the deputies and Putin run away from such a statement?

They would have escaped, of course, if there were bayonets behind Navalny, but not behind the State Duma.
Boy, I'm 71 years old. When I was 18, I talked with those who lived under the tsar and they were not princes and landowners. So I don’t have to go over the ears with stories from rezun and the like. And I myself have witnessed the disintegration of the CPSU. My father was a communist and Gorbachev was a communist, but they were completely different communists. My father fought, defended Moscow. And it's good that he died earlier than these feces were formed at the top of the CPSU. Since the 80s of the last century, the people no longer believed in either the Communists or the Bolsheviks.

[lucul]

If power is transferred to the Bolsheviks by the will of only one sailor, then this power is not worth a broken cent. I already told you that the Provisional Government dissolved itself, and had NO desire to hold on to power

Take Crimea 2014 - in the same way, power passed)))

[Waterways 672]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The intelligentsia is 1,5% of the nobility from the entire population, who parasitized on the common people, and who then fled to Paris and Nice to their villas and to their foreign accounts? Before 1917, your ancestors were nobles? As for the intelligentsia during Perestroika, they were all rotten, typical examples are Novodvorskaya and Solzhenitsyn, some are still alive and can only chatter and hate. This is what they can do!

People's Artist of the RSFSR Yekaterina Vasilyeva on the intelligentsia.

Repent to everyone. The intelligentsia - to the mines! - Yekaterina Vasilyeva slashed from the shoulder. - How much evil did the so-called intelligentsia bring, unbeliever, proud. How many people she has led astray. The cultural intelligentsia is all the same to me as the molesters of people, youth. The intelligentsia is akin to the satanic principle. The whole set of the Satanic code of honor - in books, films, performances, theaters ... I can imagine what the intelligentsia will say to me now. But I do not care"...

Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/28332/4477690/

[Rubi0]

Provisional government that overthrew the king

Overthrown? Maybe all the same there was a renunciation, but the communists were shot? In any case, I am for evolution, not the fire of the world revolution

wear a blouse, a caftan

And why not, clothes with national motives are very even. Recall the shape of the Olympians with the zarptice

These are some of these factories and factories of Russian merchants for a penny sold to foreign bourgeoisie?

You don't have to go far in the center of Moscow, the Abrikosovs' chocolate factory. There, the origin of the surname 'apricot' is already a whole separate story, and an interesting one, read

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Rubi0

Overthrown? Maybe all the same there was a renunciation, but the communists were shot? In any case, I am for evolution, not the fire of the world revolution

That is, is it normal for you when a coup is taking place in a BEINGER country and the country's leadership changes dramatically? How do you think the war would have ended if Stalin had resigned on October 16, 1941 and fled to Siberia? And by the way, even if Nicholas and his brother Mikhail abdicated the throne, there was Tsarevich Alexei, the legitimate heir to the Russian throne, and it was he who was supposed to inherit the throne. That is, Kerensky and company committed a crime and treason.

Quote: Rubi0

And why not, clothes with national motives are very even. Recall the shape of the Olympians with the zarptice

That is, for you, "Russian centuries-old traditions and Orthodoxy" are only MODERN clothes with national motives? Y-yeah! And you still dare to assert about the preservation of Russian centuries-old traditions and Orthodoxy? !!!! I have no words!

Quote: Rubi0

You don't have to go far in the center of Moscow, the Abrikosovs' chocolate factory. There, the origin of the surname 'apricot' is already a whole separate story, and an interesting one, read

Well, yes, without a chocolate factory, Russians are not Russians! Aren't you ashamed of your pettiness yourself? You remind me of the moans of the liberals about the jamon, which was banned from importing into Russia.

[Rubi0]

Sumsung started with flour production in the 30s, Daewoo with egg noodles, I think you know the current scale, so you couldn't do without sweets and marmalade !!! Once again, I am for evolution and not revolution.
I didn't understand you at all about clothes, you poke me with a shirt and a caftan
but laughing off the jarp, where is the logic?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Rubi0

Sumsung started with flour production in the 30s, Daewoo with egg noodles, I think you know the current scale, so you couldn't do without sweets and marmalade !!! Once again, I am for evolution and not revolution.

Well, yes, and as a child, in the 90s, I sold chewing gum and chocolate, bought cheap, and sold at a higher price. But personally, Putin probably prevented me from becoming the head of TNK

[Rubi0]

I see you haven't read the story of the Abrikosovs. From buy and sell a person was able to become an industrialist and this is under the king, if you did not have enough experience and personal qualities, then you do not need to blame Putin. Perhaps you did not even think about more and you never had ambitions to become the head of TNK, but only wishes and resentments

[lucul]

That is, Kerensky and company committed a crime and treason.

This is the only thing in which I absolutely agree with you.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Rubi0

The Bolsheviks themselves do not want to repent for the devastation of the civil war

and the civil Bolsheviks staged? !!!
or is it still possible that the root cause is the destruction of the monarchy as a connecting component?

Quote: Rubi0

ditched Russian centuries-old traditions and Orthodoxy

Well, yes, it's only the Bolsheviks who are to blame for this, and not those who destroyed the churches in which they were baptized and prayed yesterday

Quote: Rubi0

intellect in the end that has rotted twice

it's hard to find a more obscene class in Russia

Quote: Rubi0

For plants and factories that were first taken from Russian merchants and industrialists and then sold for a penny to foreign bourgeois in the 90s

uh
it's generally enchanting, I'm not talking about the fact that most of what was sold for a penny has nothing to do with what was taken, by the way, often from the same foreigners

[lucul]

or is it still possible that the root cause is the destruction of the monarchy as a connecting component?

The Anglo-Saxons threw the king in full, cynically and brazenly, for their sake he climbed into WWI, and they staged a coup for him.
After the abdication, Nicholas II foolishly asked England to shelter him - the official answer was a refusal.
But as twins they were with George 5 king of England.

[QWERTY]

What kind of factories: "First they took them away from Russian merchants and industrialists and then sold them for a penny to foreign bourgeoisie"? "intelligence" is generally a masterpiece

[boris epstein]

It was the Bolsheviks who released 117 officers and generals, who were arrested for the attempt at the Kornilov coup, from prisons on the basis of a subscription not to fight against Soviet power. They gave these subscriptions to one and all. These subscriptions are still kept in the former Museum of the Revolution in Moscow, and the first thing they did was they began to illegally make their way to the Don to organize the White Army. So where is their honest noble word of nobility ?! February 1918 The first battle of the civil war took place in Rostov, when a White Guard detachment with a battle seized the warehouses of weapons and ammunition of the Caucasian Army of the Russian Imperial Army and took out as much as they could. There were killed and wounded on both sides.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: tatra

responsibility for the capture of which they have cowardly blamed for 30 years on the communists

The funny thing is, if it weren't so sad, the liberals every year on August 19 squeal about the State Emergency Committee, which allegedly tried to usurp power, deprive Gorbachev and Yeltsin of the powers, and that it is the State Emergency Committee that supposedly is to blame for the collapse of the USSR Although in reality the GKChP tried to preserve the USSR, to prevent its collapse by a handful of traitors led by Yeltsin and Gorbachev. And if the GKChP succeeded in seizing power, the USSR would have survived, and Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Shevardnadze, Yakovlev and others would have been convicted of treason and would have received a well-deserved bullet. I'm generally losing weight from this! Liberals know how to turn it upside down and call black white!

[tatra]

The ideology of the enemies of the communists after their seizure of the USSR is criminal.
These are slanderous accusations of the crimes of some people, this is the justification of the crimes of other people, this is the blame for the crimes of some people on others, including the blame for the crimes of those who destroyed the USSR on the Bolshevik communists.
And not only the communists and their supporters, but also the enemies of the communists themselves recognized the destruction of the USSR as a crime against the USSR and the Soviet people.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: tatra

what they did to Russia and the Russian people after their capture of the RSFSR

How it was done is important:
October 1993 tragedy - Yeltsin against parliament: an inside view
https://vpoanalytics.com/2021/08/30/oktyabrskaya-tragediya-1993-goda-eltsin-protiv-parlamenta-vzglyad-iznutri/

[boris epstein]

No matter how it was done, Yeltsin and his pack did not give a damn about the will of the people of the USSR, expressed in the referendum on the preservation of the USSR on March 17, 1991.

[Gardamir]

And they are to blame, of course

Lithuania, Ukraine, who's next? some site of traitors because the situation in Russia is not interesting to anyone. Or secret oligarchs gather here

[Esaul]

It doesn't matter how you live, the main thing is that the neighbors live worse

[Finches]

The funny thing is that they all seriously believe that they were feeding Russia, the "occupiers" did not create anything, but they took everything away! When I say that Lithuania entered the Soviet Union as a tainted agricultural country, and left the USSR as an industrially developed state, where the "occupiers" invested more than $ 70 billion, then squeals about the Kremlin propaganda immediately begin! The question is - who built the plants and factories for you, which have gone somewhere in 30 years of independence! Where is the Ignalina nuclear power plant? Electrotechnical plant "Elfa" ...? Then the conversation is interrupted and the Baltic opponent, smearing the snot of indignation on his face, quickly disappears over the horizon ...

Now a citizen with an "active life position" must definitely appear here and begin to convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia and that it is going into tartar! And Putin is also to blame for everything!

[abrakadabre]

Now a citizen with an active life position should definitely appear here and begin to convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia and that it is going into tartar! And Putin is also to blame for everything!

You have a seal: the words "citizen with an active life position" must be enclosed in quotation marks.

[Finches]

I have corrected!

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Now a citizen with an active life position must definitely appear here and begin to convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia and that it is going into tartar! And Putin is also to blame for everything! laughing

They are already here: tatra (Irina), fa2998 (Andrey). Without them, things are not done.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

They are already here: tatra (Irina), fa2998 (Andrey). Without them, things are not done.

Well, how can you not do without a former innocent convict? ... I suppose, if you lived during the war, you would tell how you fought in the penal battalion, which, of course, you got into only thanks to the lawlessness and arbitrariness of the cops

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Yeah! You can't do without sadistic garbage here! And you do not know whether it is true that it is best to fill the "sausage" with small hunting pellets to beat off the kidneys, or do you use another filler?
In your opinion, the convicts did not fight in the penal battalions. Maybe there were no penal battalions at all?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

well! You can't do without sadistic garbage here! And you do not know whether it is true that it is best to fill the "sausage" with small hunting pellets to beat off the kidneys, or do you use another filler?

In fact, I am a man of the most peaceful profession, I am an aviation forecaster, and my father was a civil engineer, and he worked for him all his life, he was not any cop.

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

In your opinion, the convicts did not fight in the penal battalions. Maybe there were no penal battalions at all?

Well, this is generally a zashkvar ... You don't even know that only officers fought in penal battalions, sergeants and privates were sent to penal companies. Do you teach history from fictional series and films, as, for example, from the TV series "Shtrafbat", where convict Glymov is appointed company commander? For your information, platoon and company commanders were only active officers, moreover, volunteers, not convicted, and they were lured by an increase in rank and salary, for example, a platoon commander had the rank of captain, a commander had the rank of major. No criminal, even as a private, could get into the penal battalion, not to mention his appointment as a comrade. Criminals could only be sent to penal companies, and then of their own free will, and only to the post of private or squad commander.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

In fact, I am a man of the most peaceful profession, I am an aviation forecaster, and my father was a civil engineer, and he worked for him all his life, he was not any cop.

Aha! And I am the Prime Minister of Vanuatu!
I return your words to you:

Do not lie

No one doubted your answer: more than one sadist has admitted that he is a sadist. I'm wondering: do all "people of the most peaceful professions, aviation forecasters" dream of shooting 12-year-old teenagers, or through one?

Criminals could only be sent to penal companies, and then of their own free will, and only to the post of private or squad commander.

Penalty battalion, penalties ... what's the difference! It is important that we fought. And there is no need to load me with petty chicanery here. You perfectly understood what I was writing about. Can you depict another grammar-nazi, get to my grammar?

[Kot_Kuzya]

I am a supporter of tough measures. In the United States, children who have committed massacres are sentenced to death and life. And these are the elves of the West! Are we worse? Or are you one of those liberals who are jumping for the abolition of the death penalty, just to enter the PACE?

[Sergey M. Karasev]

And I am a supporter of the idea that children should be brought up, not shot. Does the name Makarenko say anything to you? So of those juvenile criminals who went through his colony, there were more Heroes of the Soviet Union than repeat offenders. The result, however! It's just that you need to put your soul into children, and not put them against the wall. And the United States is not a decree to me, just like PACE.

And these are the elves of the West!

Elves like you - an aviation forecaster. What did the children do to you, since you hate them so much ??

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Or are you one of those liberals who leap for the abolition of the death penalty,

The other day I was a prisoner-denier with you, now I am already a liberal. Don't you think that these are two mutually contradictory theses? Or do you just have to crow, and there at least not dawn?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

The other day I was a prisoner-denier with you, now I am already a liberal. Don't you think that these are two mutually contradictory theses? Or do you just have to crow, and there at least not dawn?

Are these mutually exclusive things for you? Yes, you once again disgrace yourself and show your level of mind. Navalny, for example, was a prisoner, denied, and at the same time a liberal.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Sir, alas and ah, but in the camp "estates" you are not in the teeth. Nawal did not deny, but a "politician". This is a completely different suit. A true denial is supposed to be apolitical in color.

[Kot_Kuzya]

... Are you so naive?

.Sudar, alas and ah, but in the camp "estates" you are not in the teeth. Nawal did not deny, but a "politician". This is a completely different suit. A true denial is supposed to be apolitical in color.

Also tell that a thief should not work, marry and knock on a godfather ... Have you been in a coma for 30 years?

[Sergey M. Karasev]

No. It is you who are trying to talk about things that you do not understand.
PS: Have you blocked your PM?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Finches

Now a citizen with an "active life position" must definitely appear here and begin to convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia and that it is going into tartar! And Putin is also to blame for everything!

Poke, here they wake up and climb

[Finches]

Already climbed! A bag of minuses is provided to us with you

[Mikhalych]

Now a citizen with an "active life position" should definitely appear here and begin to convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia and that it is going into tartar!

You first need to figure out which is worse and which is better. If you do not know, this is how you need to contact Mayakovsky:
Tiny son
I came to my father
and asked the little one:
- What
good
and that such
badly?
At one time, the West introduced the Iron Curtain and removed Stalin because he refused to become a source of raw materials for the Western bourgeoisie. Now the Russian bourgeoisie squander the irreplaceable resources of Russia for green candy wrappers. Is this good or bad?

[Finches]

There it is, Mikhalych !!!

[boris epstein]

Dear, understand yourself. Then you hate the Boleeviks and Stalin, but now how?
"At one time, the West introduced the Iron Curtain and removed Stalin because he refused to become a source of raw materials for the Western bourgeoisie. Now the Russian bourgeois squander the irreplaceable resources of Russia for green candy wrappers. Is this good or bad?"
So did Stalin do good or bad? But he was a Bolshevik with pre-revolutionary experience, under his leadership the restoration of industry after two wars - the First World War and the civil one, industrialization, Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the foundations of anti-missile defense were laid, the foundations of rocket technology were laid, nuclear weapons were created. FE Dzerzhinsky was not only the head of the Cheka, but also the people's commissar of railways. Under his leadership, the railway traffic in Soviet Russia was completely restored. But he worked for wear and tear, and he was not the only Bolshevik who worked that way.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

Now a citizen with an "active life position" must appear here.

I corrected you too:
Now a citizen with an "active life position" must appear here, And start who will convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia, and she is heading for tartar! And Putin is also to blame for everything!

[Finches]

O! Thank you! Live a century, learn a century, you will die a fool ... The first part of the saying was invented by smart people, the second, like me

[Flooding]

Quote: Finches

The funny thing is that they all seriously believe that they were feeding Russia, the "occupiers" did not create anything, but they took everything away!

I remember Moldova in 91:
"yes, we will fill Europe with tomatoes"
the result is known
do you think time has taught you anything?
a little more than 20 years later, I hear at rallies against the party of the incumbent President Voronin for the new Euro-liberal democrats:
"We will fly to Europe to drink coffee! We will live!"

[41 REGION]

Quote: Sergey Karasev

And, of course, Putin and Lukashenko are to blame.

This is how they took and gave the Lithuanians a secret

[Terenin]

How so from Guberman ...
It was so good for us yesterday that it has been very bad so far ...
In general, everything would not be bad until they began to improve ...

[Mountain shooter]

Having lost a third of the population during the "independence" period, the Lithuanians noticed that life had become WORSE

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Having lost a third of the population during the "independence" period, the Lithuanians noticed that life had become WORSE

This is the same able-bodied third that dumped out of the country.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

For a long time it came to them.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

For a long time it came to them.

It may not have been long, but polls are rarely carried out

[shubin]

Firstly, the situation is worsening all over the world, including in Russia, and secondly, Lithuania is ahead of Latvia, and slightly lags behind Estonia. And no matter how offensive it may be to the citizens of Russia, the average Lithuanian lives better than the average Russian. I have been living in Lithuania for 40 years, I came here after the army, I visited Russia every year before the pandemic, in terms of living standards one can compare with Lithuania, perhaps, Moscow, and my dear Kirov, in comparison with Lithuania, is deep ... it was 40 years ago.

[yang174]

))) it is not accepted here .. definitely some breakthroughs and jerks

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: shubin

compare, perhaps, Moscow, and my dear Kirov in comparison with Lithuania, in a deep ... opera, but it was so 40 years ago

Do you compare Kirov with Vilnius? In general, the details are interesting. There are few representatives from Lithuania at VO.
Describe how, what and how much. I myself have recently been to Latvia, launched the equipment of my company in Riga. I really didn't like it there ... The people live poorly. How about in Lithuania?

[Asad]

Can it be more detailed, poor thing, is this in comparison with Moscow or Saratov? Never been to the Baltics, just wondering?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: ASAD

Is it possible in more detail, poor thing, is this in comparison with Moscow or Saratov?

I live in Moscow, so I find it difficult to compare with Saratov. I can with St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Nizhny Novgorod ... Wherever I go.
The prices for food, translated into ours, in Riga are Moscow. Average. Very high prices for communal apartments and housing, in the sense that payments for an apartment are quite clear. For a small kopeck piece, 250 euros. Taxes are high, and so is the tax on retirement. The workers' salaries at the enterprise are low. A little over 1000 euros. If a family is working alone - generally put out the light. Transport is expensive. Food in canteens and fast foods is more expensive than ours. Although this is a matter of taste and habits.
If you compare it like that, it feels like. A person who receives 1200 euros in Riga has a standard of living that receives 30 sput. in Tver ... Or 45 in Moscow.

[den3080]

Quote: shubin

Firstly, the situation is worsening all over the world, including in Russia, and secondly, Lithuania is ahead of Latvia, and slightly lags behind Estonia. And no matter how offensive it may be to the citizens of Russia, the average Lithuanian lives better than the average Russian. I have been living in Lithuania for 40 years, I came here after the army, I visited Russia every year before the pandemic, in terms of living standards one can compare with Lithuania, perhaps, Moscow, and my dear Kirov, in comparison with Lithuania, is deep ... it was 40 years ago.

Tribaltic Extinction Races on the topic of who lives well in the EU.
I have never been to Lithuania. But I have been to Latvia and Estonia many times. Latvia is just a poor country, and Estonia is very poor, more or less Estonian migrant workers who go to work in Finland, for example, “live”. The rest exist, nothing more.
And this ... Moscow alone is three times more than all the Tribaltic extinctions combined in terms of population :) and about the standard of living with Moscow, the comparison is simply ridiculous, in my opinion.
Kirov is probably not rich and not very developed. If there were no gentlemen like Belykh, Navalny and Masha Gaidar, who ruled “gloriously” in Kirov for more than one year, it might have been better. But the first two are sitting, thank God already.
And the third is working somewhere ... either with Saakashvili, or in even more exotic places :))
So hands will reach Kirov. Russia is big. Google for interest.
St. Petersburg, Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod, Yekaterinburg ... and Crimea is already possible Where are your extinctions and where is St. Petersburg or Kazan, for example?

[figwam]

Quote: shubin

and my dear Kirov in comparison with Lithuania

How can you compare a country and a city?
And what is Lithuania without Western help, just an empty place and even now they leave from there to work in other European countries.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: shubin

about the standard of living with Lithuania can be compared, perhaps, Moscow, and my dear Kirov in comparison with Lithuania, in a deep ... opera, but it was so 40 years ago.

Why are you comparing Moscow with a country? Moscow should be compared with Vilnius, but Kirov should be compared, for example, with Siauliai.

[Seryoga64]

Lack of own production,

But now they consider the "damage" that they inflicted when they created an economy for them and fed this "showcase"

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

But now they consider the "damage" that they inflicted when they created an economy for them and fed this "showcase"

colleague,
I asked about the origin of these numbers.
all unanimously refer to the newspaper "Soviet Russia" for 1992, numbers 98, 99, 100
in itself it is strange that this information was smeared into three numbers
the archive of this newspaper for 1992 has not been preserved
https://sovross.ru/old/num_index.htm
but the plate in this form, it seems, first appeared in 2016 in an article by the notorious Kholmogorov in Komsomolskaya Pravda
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26422/3295723/
without any references to sources

but we can only find the truth here
https://istmat.info/node/18773

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Flood

without any references to sources

You know, I don't really care about these numbers. I lived in the USSR as an adult and saw everything with my own eyes.
I saw how they live in Georgia, Urka.ina, Tribaltika, etc.
Compared to the RSFSR, heaven and earth. Tribaltia was generally considered abroad

[Flooding]

I know it even though I'm a little younger than you
but I think that information should be checked before distributing it

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Flood

but I think that information should be checked before distributing it

What to check? Numbers? So You can't check it. But even without them, it can be seen, rightly by the way, Who lived how and who fed whom

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

What to check? Numbers? So You can't check it

I gave you a link to the official publications with the budgets of the republics
there would be a desire

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Flood

I gave you a link to the official publications with the budgets of the republics

Well, first of all, what is given there must be studied for at least 2-3 hours
Secondly, the Table shows the Budget of the USSR and it indicates who how much is put into the budget and who took out how much from it.

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

Secondly, the Table shows the Budget of the USSR and it indicates who how much is put into the budget and who took out how much from it.

are you sure of the accuracy of the numbers in this table?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Flood

was the budget of the USSR calculated in dollars?

The table was compiled by people and they converted rubles into dollars as was customary in the 90s
Do you remember UE already? Rubles were not counted for money then.
But I did not understand, do you disagree with the fact that the RSFSR fed all the republics?
With the fact that they lived much better than us?

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

But I did not understand, do you disagree with the fact that the RSFSR fed all the republics?

I am against unfounded statements
you must be ready to prove your case with facts
otherwise what is it worth?

Quote: Seryoga64

The table was compiled by people and they converted rubles into dollars as was customary in the 90s

the same people who stood behind the collapse of the USSR and who needed to justify this tragedy?
what people? what are the numbers?
I can draw a dozen of these tables in a couple of hours

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Seryoga64

But I did not understand, do you disagree with the fact that the RSFSR fed all the republics?
With the fact that they lived much better than us?

This gentleman is from Ukraine, and he still sincerely believes that the Ukrainian SSR then fed the entire Union, especially the RSFSR.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

This gentleman is from Ukraine

Kuzya, liar
I live in Moldova
I have already written to you about this more than once
stop talking nonsense

I cited above a link to the official publications with the budgets of the republics up to 1990

read and learn, idiot

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Flood

Kuzya, liar
I live in Moldova
I have already written to you about this more than once
stop talking nonsense

I beg your pardon, I confused. For me, there is no difference between Moldova and Ukraine. Moreover, you are Ukrainian by nationality.

[Flooding]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Moreover, you are Ukrainian by nationality.

Did you read this in a bowl of milk?
let me think
One great-grandfather has a Belarusian surname
the other has a Gagauz
well, yes, exactly Ukrainian
analytics of the "cat Kuzya"

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Flood

Did you read this in a bowl of milk?
let me think
One great-grandfather has a Belarusian surname
the other has a Gagauz
well, yes, exactly Ukrainian
analytics of the "cat Kuzya"

In my opinion, I already wrote to you about my friend, whose grandfathers and grandmothers were Jewish, Ukrainian, Pole and German, that is, no one on her father's side or on her mother's side was Russian, but she considers herself Russian, since was born in the RSFSR, raised in modern Russia, she is a citizen of Russia, and her mother tongue is Russian. By the way, there is such a former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Pavel Klimkin, he was born and raised in Kursk, graduated from Moscow University, and only then, in adulthood, he moved to Ukraine, and he considers himself a generous Ukrainian. Do you think he is Russian? No, he's a real Ukrainian!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

By the way, there is such a former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Pavel Klimkin, he was born and raised in Kursk, graduated from Moscow University, and only then, in adulthood, he moved to Ukraine, and he considers himself a generous Ukrainian. Do you think he is Russian? No, he's a real Ukrainian!

And the matvienka's currency has become Russian!

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Stroporez

And the matvienka's currency has become Russian!

I don’t know if I became Russian, but I certainly didn’t remain Ukrainian.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

I don’t know if I became Russian, but I certainly didn’t remain Ukrainian.

A person without nationality? Although she enriched the Russian language with "icicles" and methods of their destruction. And this already draws on "merit".

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Stroporez

A person without nationality? Although she enriched the Russian language with "icicles" and methods of their destruction. And this already draws on "merit".

I didn’t ask her, I don’t know her personally. The good news is that she does not consider herself a Ukrainian.

[Flooding]

understood. Ukrainians appoint a cat Kuzya

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Flood

understood. Ukrainians appoint a cat Kuzya

Zelensky is now a thick Ukrainian

[Sergey M. Karasev]

You became an ukrophobe when the Ukrainians shod you for 2 million. Then, if your house was washed away by a tsunami, you would mercilessly fight to drain all the seas.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

For me, that Moldova, that Ukraine - no difference.

And what is the correct spelling: Iraq or Iran?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: ROSS 42

And what is the correct spelling: Iraq or Iran?

Iraq is now a US colony, from which they pump oil and gas for free. And Iran is a sovereign regional power at the level of Turkey.

[Avior]

Do not make me laugh. Someone translated the data of the USSR into dollars? That in different Soviet republics there was a different dollar exchange rate?
Only a person who had never lived in the USSR or took numbers from the ceiling, but was already used to it in dollars, and not in rubles, could have cited Soviet data in dollars.

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

Secondly, the Table shows the Budget of the USSR and it indicates who how much is put into the budget and who took out how much from it.

that is, are you seriously claiming that the Georgian SSR received more than $ 1990 billion from the Union budget alone in 20, with a population of more than five million?
and this is nn considering its own republican budget?

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

Secondly, the Table shows the Budget of the USSR and it indicates who how much is put into the budget and who took out how much from it.

Quote: Flood

The Georgian SSR received more than $ 1990 billion from the Union budget alone in 20, with a population of more than five million?

completely forgot how to count
5 million souls for 40 thousand dollars
we get $ 200 billion
in one 1990

[abrakadabre]

For all the information contained in this table, it does not take into account dollar inflation. For correctness, such data series should be given in constant US dollars.
There is such an indicator.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: abrakadabre

For all the information contained in this table, it does not take into account dollar inflation.

Agree. But it clearly shows who fed whom and who worked for how much and how much ate

[abrakadabre]

But it clearly shows who fed whom and who worked for how much and how much ate

In the context of one year, yes. But in the dynamics over the years, it is possible to observe non-existent trends. For example, there will be an increase in production and / or consumption. While in reality there will simply be big inflation, masking a sharp drop in real indicators.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: abrakadabre

But in dynamics over the years, it is possible to observe non-existent trends. For example, there will be an increase in production and / or consumption.

Don't forget, the economy was planned, which means that the results were almost stable.
Well, or the difference is plus or minus a few percent

[abrakadabre]

Don't forget, the economy was planned, which means that the results were almost stable.

Well, yes, just since 1985 we have had stability. How is it. If we were talking about the period 1970-1980. I would agree with you.

Well, or the difference is plus or minus a few percent

Yea Yea. Then there is no need to provide figures in dollars. For the inflation of the dollar did not depend on the internal policy of the USSR.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: abrakadabre

For the inflation of the dollar did not depend on the domestic policy of the USSR.

Well, how can I explain to you ... To hell with these numbers! The point is who put how much in the budget of the USSR and who took out how much. And who fed whom. And the dollar exchange rate has nothing to do with it

[Avior]

Exactly, the dollar exchange rate had nothing to do with the USSR for such a table.
Which clearly shows that it has nothing to do with the Soviet data.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Avior

Exactly, the dollar exchange rate had nothing to do with the USSR for such a table.

The table was written when the USSR was gone
Which clearly shows that it has nothing to do with the Soviet data.
People have converted RUBLES to DOLLARS. In the early 90s, it was so.
Everywhere was U, E,

[Avior]

Nobody converted Soviet rubles into dollars.

[abrakadabre]

People have converted RUBLES to DOLLARS. In the early 90s, it was so.

It's clear. They just converted them into dollars at the rates of each specific year. With different content.
For such an analysis, it is extremely important to bring all data to a normalized form. In this particular case, translate all numbers, if we count in dollars, to the dollar of one specific year.

[Avior]

This table shows that someone has just composed it from the ceiling, without using Soviet data or in order to deliberately confuse. It is difficult to find another reason for citing data on the USSR in dollars.

[Mikhalych]

I completely agree. In Lithuania, mainly Russians, Belarusians and Poles worked for the GDP. Lithuanians, on the other hand, are mostly on their own.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Interestingly, there is at least one country whose citizens, as a result of such a survey, will declare that the situation is improving there?

[Egoza]

Probably, in a pandemic, there is no need to conduct such a survey. When people are seized with fear due to illness, even if there were some changes for the better, they will not notice them. But this can be done so simply! There was a time in the USSR when food prices dropped before the holiday. Let it be only a few kopecks, but people were glad of that too. True, this was at the time of Comrade. I.V. Stalin

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Egoza

There was a time in the USSR when food prices dropped before the holiday. Let it be only a few kopecks, but people were glad of that too.

And scarce products appeared on the shelves
I remember how Kosygin came to us in the early 70s. Bison meat appeared on the shelves !!!
True, it lay there for three days

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Seryoga64

And scarce products appeared on the shelves
I remember how Kosygin came to us in the early 70s. Bison meat appeared on the shelves !!!

You should have seen what was happening on the shelves of Moscow during the 80 Olympics! I had no idea about the existence of certain types of products, in particular meat products.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You should have seen what was happening on the shelves of Moscow during the 80 Olympics!

My friend served the Olympics and talked about it

I had no idea about the existence of certain types of products, in particular meat products.

Yes, it seems like not only meat. He kind of talked and ro clothes

[Peak]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Interestingly, there is at least one country whose citizens, as a result of such a survey, will declare that the situation is improving there?

Alas, but we (Russians, Russians) are so stupidly arranged that too often we look for good from good, without thinking about the consequences of the changes we are striving for.
Only the collapse of the Soviet social system is for our edification ...

But, if you force us to think, and not flog a fever, before giving an answer to the question - "better or worse", at the moment, with all the disorder in life, we will not have 80 overwhelming percent as in Lithuania.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

I think that's not the point. For most people, these very 80 percent, the deterioration of life is a projection onto the reality of their own state.
Roughly speaking, the state of a person changes from "child, everything is good" to "old man, everything is bad." Over time, the person himself worsens: sores, negative memories, stress accumulate. Accordingly, life seems to get worse with age.
At twenty, the same 80 percent of life is beautiful and amazing, and already at forty - "get drunk and forget."

[Lech from Android.]

At the age of 5, the mother's mother pours semolina porridge, plays, puts her to sleep ... of course, life is beautiful.
At 85, no one needs a weak old man, it's a big problem to crawl to the bakery ... sometimes there is no one to give a glass of water before death ... of course, from such a life it is better to get drunk and forget forever.
No wonder, after all, Nabibulina's deputy blurted out that you can't help our old people ... the boss had to apologize for the stupidity of his subordinate.

[Pilot]

Interestingly, there is at least one country whose citizens, as a result of such a survey, will declare that the situation is improving there?

There is, of course, enough to look at the polls by VTsIOM.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Pilot

There is, of course, enough to look at the polls by VTsIOM.

Again, the official CIOM of which country will cut the truth?

[aszzz888]

Lithuania has been a member of the European Union since 2004 and is considered one of the poorest countries in the EU. Lack of own production, subsidized budget, the main part of which is made up of aid programs from Europe and the United States,

Therefore, it all depends on how, when and what kind of bone will fall from the owner. If it is gnawed, it is understandable, if there are remnants of cartilage and veins on it, it will stretch a little more.

[tatra]

Well, almost like in Russia. The enemies of the communists equally ruined all the republics of the USSR that they captured, and for 30 years they have been parasitizing at the expense of the Soviet legacy, the export of natural resources and raw materials, imports, handouts from the West, the work of foreigners and foreign firms.

[Boris55]

Quote: tatra

Enemies of the communists equally ditched all captured by them

Yes, figs with them with the communists, they are the creators of everything today, but the people who believed the communists, it's a pity.

Quote: tatra

export of natural resources and raw materials

Our desires will always be ahead of our capabilities, and rightly so, but everything has its time.
The first who began to export oil abroad and trade it not for rubles, but for dollars, was the communist Brezhnev, and De Gaulle so relied on rubles, as many as two steamships of green waste paper were taken to the United States in exchange for gold ...

Processing of natural resources and raw materials started:
Forest: https://youtu.be/Gki_6rNxeZo
Gas: https://youtu.be/YMBORtBJTCA

It would be the greatest foolishness not to trade in everything that is lying under our feet and for which the West (USA) is chasing around the world with axes, establishing democracy there, but it is also foolish not to engage in recycling.

[tatra]

So, the enemies of the communists seized the RSFSR, plundered it, ruined ALL industries, robbed the Russian people, staged a multimillion-dollar genocide of the people, turned Russia into a raw material appendage and a market for foreign products, and they will never admit guilt for this. They are also proud of the fact that they have been exporting natural resources and raw materials from Russia for 30 years.
And I have a limit for you - only one reply to your comments per day.

[Boris55]

Quote: tatra

So, the enemies of the communists seized the RSFSR, plundered it, ruined ALL industries, robbed the Russian people, staged a multimillion-dollar genocide of the people, turned Russia into a raw material appendage and a market for foreign products, and they will never admit guilt for this.

This is exactly what was done: Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev, the very cream of the communists.

ps

Quote: tatra

And I have a limit for you - only one reply to your comments per day.

Thanks and on this one.

[Gardamir]

This is exactly what Yeltsin and Putin did. Volodin, the very cream of the communist-democrats.

[north 2]

although any poll is the same as a girl in a short skirt, it still will not show everything, but I wonder who exactly in Lithuania carried out such a survey and did not classify the data. Because, as soon as we begin to bring the Lithuanians out into the open and point out that they totally embellish their present and especially their history in the past, they will immediately call you a quilted jacket and Putin's dog. Here's a simple example.
Lithuanians are proud that the Polish historian Jan Dlugosh raised the patron saint of Lithuania, Saint Casimir. Here Lithuanians speak of Dluhosh as a beacon of honor, morality, knowledge and truth. But as soon as you remind a Lithuanian, even a historian, that Jan Dlugosh, who is actually the same age as the Battle of Grunwald, indicates in his historical writings that the Lithuanians shamefully fled from the battlefield at Grunwald, the Lithuanian will say that this liar and ignorant Dlugosh cannot be trusted, and that you there is a padded jacket and Putin's dog.
So we can assume that this girl is now not only without a skirt, but also with a bare ass. For that in the EU ...

[Asad]

Well, there are members of the forum from the Baltic states, let them answer if they want.

[Bolt cutter]

forum users from the Baltic states, let them answer if they want.

Active turbo patriots will be offended .

[Asad]

As I understand, everything is not so bad?

[Bolt cutter]

There are no people willing to move to Russian stability ... On the contrary, they go on little things.

[Xlor]

I don't give a damn about Lithuania ...

[fa2998]

This means that all polls in Lithuania (and others) are declared TRUE, and articles should be written in VO. In our country, if someone conducts a survey and comes across such numbers, they are immediately declared a "foreign agent", and the results are fake and slander. OK!!!

[Kittymoore]

An everyday occurrence. Crisis, coronavirus, restrictions, insanity of officials around the world.
I doubt that there will be a person who will say that now is better than in 2020 and even more so in 2019.

By the way, if you link to something, then it would be nice to link to the source itself. And then the news looks absolutely frivolous.

[Lech from Android.]

The golden rain from the subsidies of Brussels is over ... now you have to live within the means that you can earn yourself, the Balts are accustomed to freebies, first from the USSR and then the EU, and now there will be no one to support them ... the crisis is in the yard ... you will have to work hard Balts, which they do not really want.

[A song]

So it is in Latvia. Prices are raised 3 times a week for food. A couple of cents each, so that it doesn't hurt like that.

[Asad]

I wanted to clarify, do you live in Poland? And where did you come from, if not a secret?

[A song]

from Latvia. I was born and live for 37 years.

[75 Sergey]

This means that soon the accusations of aggression, etc. will rise towards Russia.
What else should they do?

[AML]

Quote: Sergey Karasev

There are people, especially the older generation, for whom this argument is unshakable. I know them myself.

I think that 'the graves of relatives' is what they say. Do not voice fear of the unknown. Only those who have nobody and nothing move easily.

An acquaintance thought that when he moved, he incurred monthly expenses of more than 5 thousand euros.

[CommanderDIVA]

The biggest plus of the Baltic states joining the European Union is the possibility of uninterrupted travel and work in Europe, historically Lithuania gravitated towards Poland (a common state - the Commonwealth), Estonia towards the Scandinavian countries, Latvia towards Germany and Great Britain, over time the bulk of the youth of the indigenous nationalities of these countries will dissolve in more prosperous European countries, and Russian-speaking youth do not mind leaving for permanent residence in Europe, the old people will die out, life will glimmer in large cities by the sea, and farms and townships can turn into enclaves of refugees from Africa and Asia, quota for permanent residence by the European Union, but after all, under the USSR, these countries were a visiting card, it is enough to watch Soviet cinema

[Ros 56]

And why would it improve, because they live on the Geyropa's handouts, as before, at the expense of the USSR.

[Ross xnumx]

The results of a poll in Lithuania: 80 percent of respondents believe that the situation in the country is worsening

This is progress!
And here is another statistic:

Every fifth Russian believes in improving the economic situation in the country
To some extent, 22% of Russians adhere to optimistic forecasts regarding the economic situation in Russia.

http://primorye24.ru/news/post/147400-kazhdyy-pyatyy-rossiyanin-verit-v-uluchshenie-ekonomicheskoy-situacii-v-strane?

Every fifth Russian believes in improving the economic situation in the country
To some extent, 22% of Russians adhere to optimistic forecasts regarding the economic situation in Russia.

https://vladnews.ru/2021-05-29/189722/kazhdyy_pyatyy?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

Every fifth Russian believes in improving the economic situation in the country
Every fifth respondent believes that the economic situation in Russia will improve.

https://tele-center.ru/news/kazhdyy-pyatyy-rossiyanin-verit-v-uluchshenie-ekonomicheskoy-situatsii-v-strane-/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

[Archon]

Something is hard to believe in the problems of Lithuania. In a small state it is always easier to put things in order, you cannot hide from the laws in it. Therefore, if the management wishes, it can always fix everything. Today the population is dissatisfied, and tomorrow it is happy.

[Alt 22]

Russophobia is ALWAYS punishable, without a single exception!

[AML]

Quote: Archon

Something is hard to believe in the problems of Lithuania. In a small state it is always easier to put things in order, you cannot hide from the laws in it. Therefore, if the management wishes, it can always fix everything. Today the population is dissatisfied, and tomorrow it is happy.

Here you are right. The Baltic states do not want to restore order. A pack of cookies and a barrel of jam are enough for the leaders of these countries. But this is not enough for the inhabitants, and therefore they are fleeing.

If Poland has already gone against the EU on some points, then they should certainly think about it. But, no - they live one day, and tomorrow, even though the grass will not grow.

[KSVK]

Quote: Finches

Now a citizen with an "active life position" must definitely appear here and begin to convince everyone that things are much worse in Russia and that it is going into tartar! And Putin is also to blame for everything!

What are you, what are you. The damned liberal five-columnists are to blame for everything. Hiring the State Department. It was they who raised the retirement age and increased VAT.
And the main hirer then asked on TV "to treat with understanding."
Shl and "rolls" in this sentence is written WITHOUT a soft sign. I beg your pardon, the eye hurts.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Or don't they want to?

Themselves. Here at VO, one forum member told me how he persuaded his relatives to move to Russia. I didn’t persuade. The main argument was that we have graves of parents and relatives here and we will not abandon them.

Sorry, of course, but this sentimental story raises some doubts. As far as we know, our compatriots are not really needed here and they do not have to wait much for help in returning from the Russian Federation. In the end, there (in the Baltic States) they are more or less "comfortable", and in our country they are most often expected to deteriorate living conditions. Alas and ah ...

[p0pulivox]

Quote: 210ox

No one is expected. They have no work here, it's easier to go to Europe to work. And those Russians who remained in the Baltics have a completely different idea of ​​their roots, patriotism. I'm not saying that they support the authorities in the Baltics, they just got used to it and they are happy with it.

+++++ I agree!

[p0pulivox]

Quote: 210ox

Quite right. Now they do not move to Russia from the Baltics. Yes, and more. If we had a survey, what percentage would say that the situation has improved?

Exactly!

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Pilot

Stroporez, the campaign of these imported putriots is like fleas on a tuzik, but not everyone spreads about their foreign stay. Take, for example, the ensign ,, Z ,, - I doubt that he lives in Russia if nothing concerns him - rising prices, new taxes, ,, reforms, bans, new fines and other ,, gifts ,, from edra .. .. [center] [/ center]

You know, there are some doubts about love "from afar". In the sense that actually bоMost of the amateurs are trolls from a famous farm ...

[Pilot]

Well, as there are those and others, only farm trolls live here, and if they crap, they crap for themselves, including for a fraction of the time. The foreign putriots are much worse, they shit at us from around the corner and live on without colliding with our sad reality.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Pilot

Well, as there are those and others, only farm trolls live here, and if they crap, they crap for themselves, including for a fraction of the time. The foreign putriots are much worse, they shit at us from around the corner and live on without colliding with our sad reality.

Hmm, I mean some of them are false flag!

[race]

The situation in Lithuania and other Baltic republics is of particular concern to the VO editorial board. In Russia, everything is simply nowhere better. There is nothing to say about life in Belarus at all - not life, but just a fairy tale!

[Black5Raven]

If you are not successful, the sight of a skinny neighbor's cow always warms the soul. Its own, however, died a long time ago, but with a neighbor, it grows thin day after day, rotting.

Did anyone write about the falsifications in the "elections" to the State Duma? No. But there will be many articles about German.

[Esaul]

As they do not produce anything, Russophobia is their main product, for which the EU and the USA are ready to pay.

[boris epstein]

Already squealed loudly.
"Latvia and Estonia are asking for energy from Russia
Latvia and Estonia, against the background of extremely high electricity prices, decided to compete for access to energy purchases in the Russian Federation, which is almost closed due to the fact that Lithuania has limited flows from Belarus. Latvia has already warned that it will file a complaint with the European Commission. The decline in electricity exports from Russia accelerated the growth of energy prices in the Baltics. Spot prices in the region reached historic highs: on the day the restrictions were introduced, quotations broke through the € 160 per 1 MWh mark.
The actions of Lithuania, which limited the flow of electricity from Belarus, caused discontent in the neighboring Baltic countries. Latvia and Estonia intend to file a complaint with the European Commission and the EU Regulatory Cooperation Agency, Baltic News Service (BNS) reported. The Ministry of Economy of Latvia said that the limitation of flows between Lithuania and Belarus "has no technical justification."

And they blame this ... no, not Russia, but Lithuania, whose actions are blocking the purchase of cheap and low-carbon electricity from Russia. And Rossatom plans to build another nuclear power plant and an experimental nuclear reactor in Belarus.

[Abbot]

Quote: Rubi0

And who dreamed of him at that time, can you tell about the children of England who worked in coal mines 100 years ago at the age of 9 and after a change they ate sweets in three cheeks

Apparently, the products of the Aprikosovs' chocolate factory did not get to the poor children of England. Well, what is the exhaust from these manufacturers? You will decide whether you are crying for the offended Russian merchants and industrialists, or you are crushing a tear for the poor children of the English proletarians. And then you, sorry muah, are like that monkey from the anecdote.