French suffering: and how not to remember the "Mistral"

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Photo: French Ministry of the Armed Forces

The $ 66 billion "Contract of the Century" floated away in the truest sense of the word. Such dastardly Australians who, according to many French leaders, have formed a new alliance with the US and Great Britain by "lies and treason", AUKUS. And having formed, they changed their minds to order from France 12 attack submarines "Attack Class" and, thus, all the bright hopes of the French for 66 billion dollars sank into the English Channel and sailed away.

It doesn't really matter whether it is across the English Channel or across the ocean. The fact that France received just a deafening slap in the face, which testifies to how low the country's status in the world has fallen.



Truly, they say correctly: don't spit in the well, if it flies back out, you won't dodge.

How can you not remember history with the Mistrals? In it, the French looked so unattractive, so much the United States was behind this scandal that they did not even want to raise the question of France's independent policy.

French suffering: and how not to remember the "Mistral"
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And here is a natural result. And now you can shout as much as you like about the "stab in the back" from Australia, the result will be unchanged. The money will go to the masters of the situation, which does not include France.

Let's look at it from an objective point of view. Not as victims of the French, more precisely, of their dependence on the Americans, here with these floating coffins, it may even have carried over. Let's look at the situation just independently, since we are really neither hot nor cold from this deal.

The situation developed as follows: for a long time the Australians simply fooled the French. As events have shown, as soon as they talked about money, the Americans immediately got into the situation, which in Australia, not only did not resist, they didn’t even look like it.

The USA had something to offer Australia, since they also know how to build boats. In addition, there is another small nuance in history: France really wanted to play in the Indian and Pacific Oceans, and therefore the French wanted to get wide access to Australian military bases.

We know how this story ends when “give me a drink, otherwise I want to eat so much that there is nowhere to spend the night”. But by and large, what's the difference, the soldiers of what flag, besides yours, will hang around your bases? French, British, Americans ...

The British, by the way, seem to be completely “their own”, moreover, historically. Americans ... you get the idea, right? The French here do not look so "their own on the board."

So it is likely that all these dances with the French were just part of the preference game. Because, in fact, it was really easier for the Australians to negotiate with the British or the Americans. And then suddenly there was such a turn, which in fact did not appear.

The French turned out to be a convenient pawn in the game, which is not a pity to exchange. And the game was just wonderful: Biden reveals technology to the Australians, roars menacingly at Macron, the British quickly register Aukus LLC, which everyone quickly runs into.

And, as a limited liability company, France is a forest. Australia will be with submarines, because in fact, they do not care whose they are, as long as they are not Russian.

And besides, who said that French submarines are better than American ones? I didn’t say that, especially since I don’t think so.

The fact that American boats are better is a problem exclusively for Australia. And here it is not only about France, which is burning with righteous anger, but there is also Indonesia and China, who have already made it clear that they are not at all thrilled that a new player will suddenly appear in their seas in the person of Australia with twelve nuclear submarines.

However, China and Indonesia are the subject of a separate analysis, but France ... France, burning with righteous anger ...


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Let's just look at all these shouts and responses from the ambassadors. Reviews are not forever, reviews are for consultation. Yes, for super-obedient France, this is already a demarche on the world stage. Quiet, but a demarche.

Some experts seriously say that this is the first case in the history of the Republic of France - the recall of ambassadors. Moreover, two at once. That is, there seems to be the highest degree of displeasure.

You know, I immediately remember that very 2014 and how ours ... reacted. Yes, the same thing with the Mistrals. The term that is asking is not very good, but it is very suitable in meaning.

So, then there was a billion with a little euro on the map. 1,2 if my memory serves me. That's $ 1,4 billion at today's exchange rate. That is, in theory, the French should have been 47 times more nervous. Such a reaction seems to be difficult.

But the responses of the ambassadors and critical statements are quite enough. And the face seemed to be preserved, and the steam was released. It is clear that the money cannot be returned.

For example, French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian calls Australia's decision a "stab in the back." He is all so "angry about the break of this contract."

Rest? The rest do not care. The rest got together and announced that they think for three, and they do not need anyone in this process. Thanks to everyone (especially France), everyone is free.


Photo: White House video screenshot

US President Joe Biden, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

What can France do in this situation?

NOTHING.

Only biting your elbows is powerless. Because the guys decided everything much cooler than today's French. Macron, excuse me, this is not De Gaulle for you.

By the way, a small historical excursion for understanding.

Early 1965. Three steamships are entering the port of New York with a very interesting cargo on board.


Plus, the same thing is unloaded from planes at the airport. Dollars. Yes, the same green dollars that French President De Gaulle sent to the United States to exchange for gold.

The US government was furious, but ... they accepted the papers and gave the gold.

De Gaulle sent the Bretton Woods system of monetary relations that had existed since 1944, which the United States imposed on 1944 countries in 44. France was among them. The system was terribly beneficial to the States, because the currencies of the states that joined the system were pegged to the dollar, and the American currency itself was pegged to gold.

The Americans had to give in exchange for their currency, the gold they held at the request of the holders of the dollar. There was plenty of gold in the United States, the country earned money in the war, and grabbed someone else's gold in abundance.

But De Gaulle really wanted to see France Great, and therefore went to the conflict, for which he paid in 1968. We can say that the way De Gaulle was removed is a prototype of "color" revolutions.

But then, in 1965, the United States had to exchange $ 4,7 billion worth of green bills for full-fledged bank gold bars. Such was the price of the demarche of The Last Great Frenchman.

Anyone who now says that Macron is not De Gaulle will be absolutely right. And there is nothing to add here. De Gaulle was indeed the last independent politician in France. The rest got the very sad role of diligent executors of the transatlantic will.


Yes, we can say that today, units like North Korea and China do not dance to the American harmonica. Sorry, but not as obvious ...

The United States orders not to give the paid ships to Russia - and France obediently does not give it up. Hollande is not De Gaulle either. In 2016, Poland does not want to acquire French helicopters, preferring American ones. And also nothing.

Of course, a contract for 12 nuclear submarines is something. But everyone understands what kind of President Emmanuel Macron is and that he, too, will not be able to do anything.

Yes, he will have to rave too. Anger from realizing your own powerlessness is an unpleasant thing. But if any of the top politicians in France believed that the country ranks high in the political hierarchy of the world, then it was time to make adjustments.

It is clear that "nothing personal, just business." And Australia, which has the 13th economy in the world and the 12th military budget, if it has collected this 66 billion, it will be able (albeit with "little" help) to spend it.

And if a bonus to the deal is the speech of US President Biden himself, who publicly announced that the United States would share its nuclear technology with a new ally so that the Australians could build a fleet from nuclear submarines by themselves ...

Everything is clear here, the only open question is who they are going to be friends against.

In general, he is not that open. And it is so clear that it is against China.

But it turns out that in the carve-up of the Pacific region, France was not only not called - they did not even take into account the wishes and plans of the French.

Here you can draw a variety of conclusions, but all of them are by no means in favor of France. For you want to be reckoned with - be independent. If you want to be independent, be strong. And if you only have unsupported ambitions (albeit a nuclear power) - be prepared that those who are stronger will wipe their feet about you.

What actually happened.

In general, in vain then the French followed the lead of the United States and thwarted the deal with the Mistrals. It will only get worse. For France. But - what a reputation, boots walk on it. Everything is deserved.
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  1. +18
    27 September 2021 04: 55
    ***
    French from Australia
    AUKUS "Mistralia" have flown ...
    ***
    1. +1
      27 September 2021 05: 15
      "Nothing personal just business". recourse
      1. +2
        27 September 2021 08: 13
        France received a deafening slap in the face

        It was a pain for the French. And France for the first time recalled its ambassadors (for consultations) from Australia and the United States.

        No one disputes the role of the world gendarme in the United States. Even their satellites. It is convenient for the United States to punish various countries with backstabs and sanctions. After all, numerous victims cannot organize themselves into a united front! Not a single gendarme could stand against everyone.
        1. +2
          27 September 2021 17: 44
          because numerous victims cannot organize into a united front

          Yes, only the situation is changing. Now, if you do not need to join China, there is no need for a special multiplicity, 5-7 countries are enough and the end of hegemony.
    2. -1
      27 September 2021 05: 41
      Yes, we can say that today, units like North Korea and China do not dance to the American harmonica.
      Of course they dance to the banjo.
    3. +2
      27 September 2021 05: 59
      But everyone understands what kind of President Emmanuel Macron is and that he, too, will not be able to do anything.

      - the question is how the deep (in PM white-collar) French state reacts. This is basic and can be seen only from the inside. in PM intelligence and bankers ...... the activity of money is judged on the power of the country.

      and Macron is the service of those "collars"
      1. +1
        27 September 2021 06: 38
        the question is how the deep (including white-collar) French state reacts

        For France, this is the old aristocracy.
      2. +5
        27 September 2021 06: 55
        De Gaulle turns over in his grave.
        1. -1
          27 September 2021 13: 54
          Napoleon also spins like a fan. lol
    4. +5
      27 September 2021 08: 14
      Not for the first time when the Anglo-Saxons command the French, I still remember the args at their request with the exosets. that the Anglo-Saxons (England, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand), one country which is commanded by the Jewish financial oligarchy, and then according to the ranking of the countries worse (France, Germany, Japan, etc.), but still all in one team, and this situation developed about the results of the First World War .. It is for this reason that any reforms are going on with a huge creak in our country, in China and other countries trying to get out of this Yoke ..
    5. +4
      27 September 2021 08: 15
      "A thousand devils! Kanalya!" - would have cried d'Artagnan, shaking his fist towards ... the Elesie Palace, where Macron was hiding under the tablelaughing
    6. +4
      27 September 2021 08: 28
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      French from Australia
      AUKUS "Mistralia" have flown ...

      And the boomerang is back! )))
      1. +4
        27 September 2021 12: 36
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
        ***
        French from Australia
        AUKUS "Mistralia" have flown ...
        ***

        It would be very useful to troll France and order the Mistrals for the second time, well, or Non-Mistral, which is new technology France has. smile
        And tie it all up with a tough contract.
        I think France will enter into this for the second time, and it is also possible that the people will support their government in this. laughing
        And for all of us it is always useful to see the theater and the mess in NATE is always useful.
        1. 0
          28 September 2021 23: 15
          Why don’t we buy these same French submarines? To support the proletarians of France with a labor dollar.
    7. +1
      27 September 2021 10: 21
      Macron, in general violet, will sit out his term, another will come)
      1. 0
        28 September 2021 21: 15
        Quote: Clever man
        Macron, in general violet, will sit out his term, another will come)

        Considering that he is a magpie, he will also receive an award ...
  2. +6
    27 September 2021 05: 23
    The people melt with pleasure ... smile God punished the French for duplicity ... Macron was offended, but they carry water and bake bread for the offended.
    Whether France is smart enough to draw the right conclusions from their behavior ... I doubt very much ... as one forum member told me France lives by the Napoleon's code ... heh heh live on.
    1. +7
      27 September 2021 05: 31
      Everyone should draw the right conclusions. States are no longer respecting even the minimum. They will squeeze out all the big contracts they can reach. By any means.
      1. 0
        27 September 2021 14: 15
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Everyone should draw the right conclusions. States are no longer respecting even the minimum. They will squeeze out all the big contracts they can reach. By any means.
        Jungle Law! Take away someone else's prey ...
    2. +28
      27 September 2021 05: 54
      What, nafig, conclusions? !!! Siemens' contract with Iraq for 15 billion - restoration of power grids broken by mattresses. Concluded, signed ... Then Trump yells - "you must remember who fought for Iraq !!!" Well, that is, these networks and gouged! Iraq breaks the already signed contract - and signs with General Electric. The Germans are throwing snot on their fist, the French are our hut on the edge. This, by the way, is only 4 times less than the "contract of the century". Conclusions? And the donkey doesn't understand right away.
      The donkey is explained again. Already with the direct participation of France. Again a contract, again 15 lard - but this time with Airbus, where France is - the supply of liners to Iran. But then the US WITHOUT REASONS yells that Iran is a bastard, and that's it! The nuclear deal is canceled by me, because the Airbus is not to be sold !!! There are no 15 lards, snot is being thrown at the fist at the headquarters in Toulouse and in the government in Paris. Got it? You don’t know French donkeys - don’t get it!
      So their rooster is the correct symbol. Offended - offended
      1. +11
        27 September 2021 06: 32
        Well, you offend a civilized country so much smile ... a goof not a mammoth will not die out ... Americans are skilled scammers ... gentlemen should be taken at their word.
      2. +8
        27 September 2021 09: 10
        What, nafig, conclusions? !!! Siemens contract with Iraq for 15 billion "

        A good comment, better than an article in which the author did not delve into the problem at all, just gloated. Maybe it would be better to understand the contract? Why did the price rise so much, why did the project change 10 times, why did the deadlines shift to a wonderful distance? And what does the Mistral have to do with it? Here it is better to remember how Algeria returned the MiG-29SMT to us. And the fact that the presence of used and counterfeit parts in them was confirmed does not do us credit at all. The perpetrators have been found, but is the punishment commensurate with the damage caused, including reputational damage?
  3. +5
    27 September 2021 05: 55
    What's new happened?
    The world has always lived by the right of the strong.
    If someone has shown weakness and readiness to move, then he is sure to be moved.
    And France is not the first here, and they have not pushed it so much. Compared to us, almost nothing at all.
    And Mistral is generally a drop in the bucket.
  4. 0
    27 September 2021 06: 11
    One thing is good, there will be no war. smile
    1. +2
      27 September 2021 06: 34
      One thing is good, there will be no war.

      Spit and cross ... war is a great time for the US military-industrial complex ... golden rain from military orders is pouring on him in abundance.
  5. +10
    27 September 2021 06: 29
    $ 66 billion hit the English Channel

    Can anyone explain why 12 diesel boats have such a horse price? Do the French make them out of pure gold?
    1. +4
      27 September 2021 06: 41
      Can anyone explain why 12 diesel boats have such a horse price? Do the French make them out of pure gold?

      This money is for everything - both for the training of Australian submariners and for the maintenance of the submarine and weapons for the entire duration of its life cycle (40 years).)))
      1. +1
        27 September 2021 06: 55
        Add interest on shrinkage, shrinkage, various kickbacks to stakeholders ... the cake is painfully sweet and big.
    2. +4
      27 September 2021 08: 49
      You've seen how much India Rafali bought? You know, they came out more expensive than F-22)))
    3. 0
      27 September 2021 09: 31
      Quote: Xlor
      Can anyone explain why 12 diesel boats have such a horse price? Do the French make them out of pure gold?

      It seems that production in Australia should have been established - in fact, technology transfer
  6. -1
    27 September 2021 07: 30
    Mixed up in a bunch ...
    How are our / not our Mistrals and submarines connected sideways? If my memory serves me (and it does not change) - the French did not lose anything from the change of the buyer ... at first they received more than they gave, then they also returned what they gave ... we are a loser, and now you can wave your fists as much as you like that we don't need these ships - it will soon be 10 years old, and we did not even begin to build our own replacement (although then we shouted - we will do it ourselves, better and literally tomorrow), we cannot ...
    Regarding the boats, the American offer sounds more profitable for the buyer, probably because of that they were chosen, otherwise it will not become easier for us or China who will deliver the boats, the main thing is that they will be
    1. +3
      27 September 2021 07: 53
      And there is no scandal. There was no contract signed between the Austroloids and the frog beetles. What is the dispute about? Agreements of intent are signed every year under a hundred and are immediately broken. For "intentions" are "nothing", and everyone knows it. And why are the toad-eaters bucking up? In addition, Canberra clearly explained that countries "with a market economy" in general, should not have any: no claims, no "offenses" - this is a market, the country has chosen a more profitable contract for itself, and only what the frog-eaters thought of for themselves there, they have no idea. laughing
    2. +4
      27 September 2021 08: 16
      Quote: parma
      Mixed up in a bunch ...
      Which side are connected our / not our Mistrals and submarines?

      An approach to respecting the interests of the "allies".
      In both cases, the mattresses, not caring about their reputation, threw the French at the babos, and not small ones. If Germany had abandoned the construction of SP-2, for the sake of mattresses, then in the end it would have ended up without a pipe and without gas, and in the long term without babos.
      PS- By the way, by the fact of the creation of a military alliance, the mattresses did a disservice to the Australians, since the Chinese now seriously consider this country as a regional enemy and the grazing lands with peacefully grazing kangaroos have become potential targets for Chinese missiles.
      1. +1
        27 September 2021 09: 33
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        In either case, the mattresses, not caring about their reputation, threw the French at the babos, and not small ones.

        what kind of babos in the case of the Mistrals ?! Shipyards were loaded with an order for cruise ships, the Mistrals themselves were successfully sold to Egypt
        1. +4
          27 September 2021 11: 04
          Egypt was poured into these boxes - but they were built for Russian helicopters. So there is a benefit for the Russian Federation - the loot was returned (with a fine). besides, they are cheaper than their western counterparts. And if I'm not mistaken, the UDC is already being built at Russian shipyards.
        2. +3
          27 September 2021 11: 05
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          what kind of babos in the case of the Mistrals ?! Shipyards were loaded with an order for cruise ships, the Mistrals themselves were successfully sold to Egypt

          With this "demarche" with the Mistrals, Paris made many potential customers doubt the reliability of the French contractors, since they are dependent on a third party and cannot guarantee 100% the execution of contracts. Of course, they will load the shipyards with something, but they are unlikely to receive fat orders in the foreseeable future.
    3. +2
      27 September 2021 11: 31
      Quote: parma
      If my memory serves me (and it does not)

      She's cheating on you ... France paid everything in full + a fine for not delivering on time ...
      1. 0
        27 September 2021 13: 08
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: parma
        If my memory serves me (and it does not)

        She's cheating on you ... France paid everything in full + a fine for not delivering on time ...

        Let's count in one thing, in euros, since we paid in them and we received in them ... The contract was concluded for 1,2 billion euros, at one time ours reported that they paid everything, in exchange they had to receive technologies and 2 ships ... as a result, we received 949 million euros back (by the way, Egypt paid 950 million for them) ... did they return everything? They even earned money in rubles (the ruble did the kaboom), but in euros? ... it turns out like in a joke - I buy sugar in a store for 50 rubles per pack, and sell it on the Internet for 48. I haven't counted my profit yet, but the turnover is crazy ..
        1. +1
          27 September 2021 13: 21
          In euros, they just returned + a fine ...
          not in rubles at the exchange rate
          And they returned a little more than they paid - precisely within the framework of penalties

          “Russia received money back from Paris for one and a half Mistral. The total amount of payments for helicopter carriers exceeded one billion euros.
          Russia ordered two Mistral-class helicopter carriers from France in 2011. The first ship of the Vladivostok series of the Russian Navy was to be received in the fall of 2014, reminds TASS.
          But Paris has suspended the transfer of the helicopter carrier due to the situation in Ukraine. An agreement on the fate of the Mistrals was reached in the summer of 2015. Under the terms of the agreement, Russia receives money and equipment back. After that, Paris gets the opportunity to dispose of the ships built.
          Moscow received 65 million euros for the aft section of the Mistrals, built in St. Petersburg. Russia paid in advance in total 893 million euros. That is, the entire first ship and half of the second was paid. "
          1. -3
            27 September 2021 13: 58
            Quote: your1970
            In euros, they just returned + a fine ...
            not in rubles at the exchange rate
            And they returned a little more than they paid - precisely within the framework of penalties

            “Russia received money back from Paris for one and a half Mistral. The total amount of payments for helicopter carriers exceeded one billion euros.
            Russia ordered two Mistral-class helicopter carriers from France in 2011. The first ship of the Vladivostok series of the Russian Navy was to be received in the fall of 2014, reminds TASS.
            But Paris has suspended the transfer of the helicopter carrier due to the situation in Ukraine. An agreement on the fate of the Mistrals was reached in the summer of 2015. Under the terms of the agreement, Russia receives money and equipment back. After that, Paris gets the opportunity to dispose of the ships built.
            Moscow received 65 million euros for the aft section of the Mistrals, built in St. Petersburg. Russia paid in advance in total 893 million euros. That is, the entire first ship and half of the second was paid. "

            As at one time they reported to the French parliament (and there is an article to lie) - they returned 949 million 754 thousand 849 euros .. those TASS are already lying ...
            1. +1
              27 September 2021 15: 32
              Quote: parma
              France (and there is an article to lie)
              - kaneshna ....
              There is no lies anywhere, holy people around us ...

              The wife of one of the presidential candidates in France was seen in a fraud - she held a state budgetary position in which she did not work for a single day. She just stupidly received a salary .... Damage to the French budget is more than 180 euros. Was she imprisoned?
              Kaneshna ....

              So they can also tell lies
              1. -1
                27 September 2021 17: 57
                Quote: your1970
                Quote: parma
                France (and there is an article to lie)
                - kaneshna ....
                There is no lies anywhere, holy people around us ...

                The wife of one of the presidential candidates in France was seen in a fraud - she held a state budgetary position in which she did not work for a single day. She just stupidly received a salary .... Damage to the French budget is more than 180 euros. Was she imprisoned?
                Kaneshna ....

                So they can also tell lies

                You did not understand the essence of what I said ... there is an officially declared amount in the government's report, it does not raise questions because there is no point in lying (if you wanted to lie, some head of the commission or the minister announced the figure in the media and it would be replicated everywhere, does it remind you of anything?) , too complicated a move (a lot of ministries and commissions have to lie, and this is very difficult due to even internal politics) .. we have a bunch of numbers and more than one official paper, and the numbers do not converge ...
                1. 0
                  27 September 2021 23: 35
                  God bless him, with lies
                  Quote: your1970
                  Russia paid in advance in total 893 million euros.
                  - everyone confirms this advance figure - both ours and the French

                  How at one time they reported in the French parliament (and there is an article to lie) - returned 949 million 754 thousand - according to the parliament (not lying) of France
                  how would they still return more - than we paid
  7. 0
    27 September 2021 07: 37
    But De Gaulle really wanted to see France Great, and therefore went to the conflict, for which he paid in 1968. We can say that the way De Gaulle was removed is a prototype of "color" revolutions.


    Come on, pump it up. De Gaulle also had enough opponents inside France. Both the right (local empertsy were dissatisfied with the collapse of colonialism) and the left (they did not like the 70-year-old autocrat at the head of the modern state).
    By the way, most of the assassination attempts on de Gaulle were made by "patriots".
    Well, plus a frankly failed domestic policy, with a drop in living standards and tightening of screws.

    In general, it is naive to reduce everything to the “dollar”.

    On the subject: don't you think that this is an answer to the crowing about the "European army"? The Gallic cockerel was shown his place.
    1. -1
      27 September 2021 08: 10
      Quote: Kitty Moore
      In general, it is naive to reduce everything to the “dollar”.

      De Gaulle was wrong. He bet on the ruble, and the ruble (Brezhnev) was put under the dollar.
      - 1965 de Gaulle demanded to exchange US dollars for gold;
      - 1966 de Gaulle in Moscow - ready to recognize the ruble as an international currency;
      - 1969 de Gaulle (at the numerous requests of students) resigned.
      1. 0
        27 September 2021 08: 16
        Once again: France had enough internal problems.

        French society did not want to give up the empire, it was the only European country that unleashed two major wars on the territory of its colonies (Algeria and Indochina) and lost both.

        In France, there was an economic crisis - a consequence of unsuccessful reforms.
        Political - a consequence of de Gaulle's authoritarian policy, tightening the screws and fatigue from the "pensioner general".
        Plus, France has always been characterized by political instability.

        Well, the social factor: the spring of 1968 marked a turning point in public consciousness towards liberalization (rejection of patriarchy, sexual revolution) and democratization.
        Then all of Europe was seething, it was not for nothing that 1968 was called the new "Spring of Nations".


        And you have reduced everything to rubles, gold and dollars. Well ok, che.
        1. 0
          27 September 2021 08: 36
          Quote: Kitty Moore
          spring 1968 marked a turning point in public consciousness towards liberalization

          Of course, nothing happens. Someone is behind all the processes taking place in the World.

          Quote: Kitty Moore
          And you reduced everything to rubles, gold and dollars

          All wars in the World were unleashed for the right to own one printing press, and the FRS became such a machine, but ours could be ...

          On this topic.
          The world control center from the USA goes to China, from England - to Iran, from the Vatican to Armenia.

          Their "command post" is transferred from Switzerland to New Zealand. To protect it, it is necessary to strengthen Australia, as well as to deprive the peoples of Europe of advanced technologies. The Center of the World is concentrated in the Indo-Pacific region. It is more convenient to manage it from New Zealand.
          1. -1
            27 September 2021 08: 41

            Of course, nothing happens. Someone is behind all the processes taking place in the World.


            Even reptilians cannot control the development of civilization. They may try to control, but no more.

            Do you think the American bourgeoisie and hawks were happy with Woodstock, the massive anti-war movement? Veterans throwing away awards?

            All wars in the World were unleashed for the right to own one printing press, and the FRS became such a machine, but ours could be ...


            Yes, that's why Alexander and Napoleon (he planned) made it to India. They were looking for a magic machine.

            The world control center from the USA goes to China, from England - to Iran, from the Vatican to Armenia.
            Their "command post" is transferred from Switzerland to New Zealand. To protect it, it is necessary to strengthen Australia, as well as to deprive the peoples of Europe of advanced technologies. The Center of the World is concentrated in the Indian and Pacific regions.


            This was reported to you at an extraordinary plenum of the Central Committee of the World Government?
            1. 0
              27 September 2021 08: 46
              Quote: Kitty Moore
              They may try to control, but no more.

              Have you heard a thread about structural and unstructured management?

              Quote: Kitty Moore
              They were looking for a magic machine.

              It is foolish to deny that the dollar is still the dominant currency in the world.

              Quote: Kitty Moore
              This was reported to you at an extraordinary plenum of the Central Committee of the World Government?

              This is constantly talked about in the news on our TV.
              You just need to be able to listen and hear.
              1. -1
                27 September 2021 08: 53
                Have you heard a thread about structural and unstructured management?


                No, my education is not related to management.

                It is foolish to deny that the dollar is still the dominant currency in the world.


                It is foolish to ascribe left-wing arguments to another person. I didn't even write a word about the dollar.

                The dollar has been "dominant" for a little over 50 years, and humanity has existed for at least 6 thousand.

                Wars have always been fought over resources, but I doubt that Cyrus the Great dreamed of a worldwide mint.

                This is constantly talked about in the news on our TV. You just have to be able to listen.


                Who else is watching our TV?
                I prefer anime.
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                  27 September 2021 08: 57
                  Quote: Kitty Moore
                  I prefer anime.

                  Therefore, you do not see anything of what is happening in the World. laughing

                  1. +1
                    27 September 2021 09: 00
                    Nothing of the kind. Apart from anime, I love kitten videos.
                    I recommend you instead of TV.
                    For a long time the TV does not bear anything but shizo and hatred.
  8. +2
    27 September 2021 07: 44
    The Australians have already paid $ 880 million under the contract. To humiliate Macron, it would be necessary to return this money to Australia. good
  9. +5
    27 September 2021 07: 54
    Indeed, in the past, France has repeatedly violated arms contracts, imposed unilateral embargoes, unexpectedly pulled out of serious military alliances, and retained already paid military orders.
    You can recall how, by de Gaulle's sudden decision, the French arrested ready-made torpedo boats that were standing at the quay wall at the shipyard and paid for by Israel. They had to carry out Operation Noah's Ark to seize five torpedo boats and ferry them through the December storms 3000 miles from Cherbourg to Haifa.

    On the other hand, Australia's decisions are also quite understandable and understandable.
    Paris should have known about Canberra's concerns about French diesel submarines.
    Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison denied reports that Australian authorities had misled their French counterparts about an agreement to build submarines. According to Morrison, Australia has long expressed concerns about the ability of the French submarine to serve the strategic interests of Canberra.

    "We understand the deep disappointment that the contract was canceled," Morrison said. At the same time, he stressed that, like any sovereign state, Australia makes a decision based on its goals and objectives. "French submarines do not have the capabilities that Australia needs to protect its national interests."

    Point. hi
    1. +1
      27 September 2021 08: 43
      In fact, the decision to change the supplier of submarines is not worth a damn. Australia has chosen the best deal. Nuclear submarine, with technology transfer, with construction on its own territory. France does not keep its word, an extremely unreliable partner and this is the result.

      Here something else is important. Building a new block. It will definitely expand. It also lies within the framework of the UK 2.0 concept. Royal fleets (Britain, Australia, Canals) are actively re-equipping. Moreover, the emphasis is clearly on the strike, expeditionary fleet. Frigates with a displacement of destroyers and clean destroyers are not needed to defend their shores and protect sea routes.
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  10. +1
    27 September 2021 08: 30
    Is it the noise that everyone is so excited? France is looking for where there is more, Australia where it is better. They decided that the American ones are better. So much noise, as if Australia threw Russia with a contract. smile They will figure it out for each other. Yes, and somehow do not care about the greatness of France, Russia will not be an ally. Partner, such partners are a dime a dozen. Famous vegetable from the garden on them.
  11. 0
    27 September 2021 08: 37
    Business and nothing personal. Almost like the anthem: America above everything.
  12. +1
    27 September 2021 08: 40
    So much water in the article and, in fact, no serious analytics (
  13. +4
    27 September 2021 09: 19
    There is one way to get both Americans and Britons to bite their elbows. Make their lives an absolute nightmare, regret what they did 1000 times more. To do this, France needs to join Russia. Then not only the Yankees and Britons will be shocked and bewildered, but also hundreds of former and current Russian officials who have bought villas on the Cote d'Azur.
    1. +2
      27 September 2021 09: 32
      Quote: Esaul
      Make their lives an absolute nightmare, regret what they did 1000 times more. To do this, France needs to join Russia.

      The French will not stand our happy life and will quickly die out. Yes
  14. -1
    27 September 2021 09: 52
    In world politics, diplomacy, the simplest thing is not to be friends with anyone. The harder thing is to keep neutrality. In these cases, at least, enemies do not appear.
    To be in a dryuchba and / or in an alliance with someone else is at times and order more difficult and costly. For on the fact of "friendship" enemies immediately appear. And more. The balance is changing. The placement of chips is changing. It is practically impossible to calculate all the benefits and losses from "unions". They try, of course ... But - it turns out garbage.
    Indonesia is perhaps the largest Muslim state .... Well, well .... Have already passed. In the 70s ....
    Really elected and very strong states can afford to be friends on equal terms, to enter into full-fledged alliances in world politics and diplomacy. If any "lithuania" or "zambezi" enters into an alliance with someone, there will be trash. We stock up on popcorn.
    The whole trick is that even a strong world power is not capable of calculating and not a vlyapatsa in all further "gifts in the spring after the snow melts."
  15. 0
    27 September 2021 10: 40
    Shards of former greatness. France ended after the 1st World War. Trash left
  16. 0
    27 September 2021 10: 44
    The French - nothing to do with .... Previously, for the situation with the Mistrals, the French were given contracts for the Raphael, and the Mistrals themselves were attached (sold) to Egypt (for American money) ........ Now the western arms market is narrowing objectively. And France was thrown with contracts in Switzerland with Rafals and diesel-electric submarines ........ What arguments will the United States now have when re-selling the UDC to a "wrong country" like the Russian Federation - I don't know ....., by the way, another 2 pieces of Mistral must be built under license in the Russian Federation. You can swing this topic (not a lot of money at stake, but the license and technologies will remain)
  17. 0
    27 September 2021 10: 47
    Dear Roman!
    Somehow, against the background of the "roar of Macron and Co." about the "floating contract" for non-nuclear submarines, few people paid attention to the next "slap in the face" for France!
    Which neighboring Switzerland weighed to her!
    Abandoning the purchase of "Rafale" in favor of the F-35. In the amount of 6,5 billion dollars !!!
  18. +1
    27 September 2021 11: 14
    Well, on the one hand, French boats are definitely better than American ones. The author (as usual) is not aware that the US has huge problems with the nuclear industry. Competencies have been lost. Some of the US nuclear facilities could not be built, and the unprecedented sounded - no matter how much money you give, we still cannot complete the construction. Already about the bankruptcy of Westinghouse, which at first was pumped up with money by Toyota (obviously not of its own free will), then Foxconn joined in by an American order, let's not say, all this still did not help.
    And the French have a huge nuclear power industry that functions without significant failures, so they clearly understand nuclear reactors better. On the other hand, as far as I understand, the French contract did not provide for the transfer of technology, so the Australians were in their own right - such an expanded functionality certainly wins, even if American technologies are no longer the best, but it's still more than nothing.
    In general, the story, in my opinion, is about the fact that if a country wants to mean something on the world stage, its army must be powerful. And not to enter into any nito alliance, where other people's uncles command it. You won't have time to look around, and you are already nobody ...
  19. 0
    27 September 2021 12: 18
    Replacing 12 diesel-electric submarines with 12 nuclear submarines for the same money!? ... "These countries will be ruined by corruption!" It seems to me personally that France is not the last one to be thrown in this triple serpentarium. Like in a joke about a wolf, a fox and a hare on a desert island - who will be eaten next?
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  21. +1
    27 September 2021 12: 37
    I will add my five cents to the article and comments from respected members of the forum.
    Problems with new boats for Australia began at the tender stage. Of the three countries that took part in it (Germany, Japan and France), only France agreed to give part of the work to the Australian shipyard in Adelaide. The Germans and Japanese categorically refused this and the contact sailed to France, despite the fact that both German and Japanese boats were already in series in their countries, and the French proposed an option that they had never built or worked out.
    At the same time, part of the contract value was available to the general Australian public, and part of it was deliberately hidden in the fog. Therefore, there was essentially no increase in the value of the contract.
    But then interesting things began. The French changed their minds to give the agreed part of the work on the boats to Australia, apparently remembering how she built the Collins-class submarine and a quiet political scandal began in Australia, since it was under the transfer of part of the work on submarines to Adelaide that a number of politicians made their careers.
    But that's not all.
    The main thing is that the Americans are already squeaking from the desire to settle in the naval and air bases of Australia in view of the military conflict with China that is brewing every day. And so they even went to transfer their cherished atomic technologies to the Australians, although no one except Great Britain had dreamed of this before. As a result, the States got what they wanted, France wiped itself off, and Australia got a great chance to receive a weighty vigorous gift from China in the event of a conflict between the States and China. The Chinese market for Australia has already seriously contracted and Australia is losing money on this. In addition, Australia runs the risk of getting a significant number of floating Chernobyls off its coast, since Australia does not yet have the required infrastructure for basing, repair and maintenance of nuclear submarines, and it is not known when and for what money it will have all this.
    And the last thing. Australia says it is not going to arm its nuclear submarines with nuclear missiles. But who will know what these boats have on board. And just for everyone, the firefighter will not bang on these boats and their bases, but at the same time on everything else. So, just in case. And this someone may not only be China.
    In general, as they say here in Belarus, “The woman didn’t sweat the bug, I bought a parasya.” This is me about Australia
    1. 0
      27 September 2021 14: 26
      If the nuclear submarines are either American or British projects, then there will be standard launchers ....... The main goal is to increase striking power in the confrontation with China ..... and there will be Tomogavks or anti-ship missiles according to the situation.
  22. -1
    27 September 2021 14: 54
    Quote: Egoza
    Truly, they say correctly: don't spit in the well, if it flies back out, you won't dodge.

    To redo sayings (folk wisdom, for a minute) is Roman's know-how?
    Where did he hear such an "interpretation" - from his grandmother as a child?
  23. +1
    27 September 2021 23: 11
    As they say, I'm not vindictive, but evil and I have a good memory. Therefore, the French suffering does not grieve me very much. winked Here's a new block, yes. If this old senile starts a war with the Chinese, the consequences can be fatal.
  24. +1
    28 September 2021 12: 43
    Australia, nuclear boats, home bases and maintenance of not one or two, but twelve! Why would the descendants of convicts need so many boats, I don’t know, a madhouse. By the time the first one goes into operation, the Chinese will have 10 PLO ships per kilometer of the coast of the Land of the Platypuses. The Americans wanted a dough, it is understandable. But what does the kangaroo have to do with it? The Chinese have already launched the first batch of 1200 anti-Australian vessels. No doubt.
  25. 0
    28 September 2021 21: 09
    If it was quite logical for the Anglo-Saxons in 1940 to carry out Operation Catapult to destroy and seize the French fleet, then 2021 just gently ignored their interests and some insignificant papers signed there ...
    They might even be included in the circle of "winners" over China later.

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