The West responds to the call of the Chinese diplomat for Beijing to be ready for a preemptive nuclear strike on the United States

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The West responds to the call of the Chinese diplomat for Beijing to be ready for a preemptive nuclear strike on the United States

The British edition of the Daily Mail publishes material, which contains a statement by a representative of the Chinese diplomatic corps. We are talking about the words expressed by the former Permanent Representative of the People's Republic of China to the United Nations Sha Zukang.

The Chinese diplomat made a harsh statement in which he called on official Beijing to be ready for the toughest reaction to the new military alliance formed by the United States. We are talking about the recently created AUKUS group, which, in addition to the United States, includes Australia and the United Kingdom. At the same time, Washington, Canberra and London do not hide the fact that this alliance is being created against China. In addition, interaction in the alliance format, as you know, implies the construction of nuclear submarines by the Americans for the Australian Navy.



In China, this is considered a de facto violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

And the former Permanent Representative of China to the UN called on Beijing to be ready to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States in connection with the expansion of the anti-Chinese military infrastructure in the Pacific region.

According to Sha Zukang, this may become "the only option for neutralizing security threats to the PRC."

Sha Zukang:

Countries hostile to us are no longer shy about demonstrating anti-Chinese intentions directly. This is a clear threat to our interests, the safety of our citizens.

In the Western press, such words of the Chinese diplomat were regarded as "the threat of the outbreak of the Third World War." In the West, they say that in connection with such statements by the Chinese diplomat, it is necessary to insist on an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

In Britain:

China openly threatens nuclear weapons... This cannot be left unanswered.

The US said that "it is necessary to clarify the official position of Beijing on this issue."
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    1. +23
      25 September 2021 15: 15
      China is a great idea! Do not slow down with implementation.
      1. -93
        25 September 2021 15: 21
        What a stupid comment. Do you think Russia will not receive a counter strike?
        1. +65
          25 September 2021 15: 24
          What a stupid comment. What does Russia have to do with it?
          1. +9
            25 September 2021 15: 30
            Quote: Kapkan
            What a stupid comment. What does Russia have to do with it?

            The Russian Federation has a land border with the PRC, and not with the United States, respectively, the "wind rose" will not bypass us ....
            1. +35
              25 September 2021 15: 32
              This is all clear ... Just a counter strike can only be a preventive one. Russia does not seem to be going. So his comment is extremely blunt.
              1. -20
                25 September 2021 15: 40
                Quote: Kapkan
                So his comment is extremely blunt.

                with all this, it is very (choose the mildest definition yourself) joyfully rub your palms in anticipation of a nuclear spectacle and provoke the participants in the conflict
                1. +9
                  25 September 2021 15: 41
                  What about your proposal?
                  1. -23
                    25 September 2021 15: 43
                    Quote: Murmur 55
                    What about your proposal?

                    behave with dignity
                    1. +37
                      25 September 2021 15: 51
                      And you didn’t suggest this to the striped ones together with their mongrels? Maybe they will obey.
                      1. -34
                        25 September 2021 15: 55
                        Quote: Ros 56
                        And you didn’t suggest this to the striped ones together with their mongrels? Maybe they will obey.

                        you know how to behave with dignity only if "let them first stop spitting, then so will I."
                        but this is kindergarten
                        if we do not know how to be responsible for our words and our behavior, then what can we demand from others?
                        1. +31
                          25 September 2021 16: 04
                          Do you like to behave with dignity when shit is poured on you? You have a strange position, but this is your choice.
                          It is customary for us to kick the horns for this.
                        2. -11
                          25 September 2021 16: 09
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          Do you like to behave with dignity when shit is poured on you?

                          explain who flooded the author's words with shit
                          Quote: Kapkan
                          China is a great idea! Do not slow down with implementation.
                        3. +42
                          25 September 2021 16: 17
                          No need to go too far, this is the reaction of a person to whom, like many of us, the rudeness and insolence of the striped with their Caudla, for whom the murder of those who disagree with them in the order of things, put on nausea. And it doesn't matter who they are - children, Papuans or highly developed, but militarily weaker countries.
                        4. -12
                          25 September 2021 16: 22
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          Don't go too far

                          I think so too
                          do not bend you too
                          I am not satisfied with many things in this unfair world
                          but I will never welcome the annihilation of millions of people
                          even if they are citizens of an unfriendly country
                          don't make excuses for bad behavior
                        5. +13
                          25 September 2021 16: 37
                          Are you seriously convinced that this swagger and show-off of yours, neglect and arrogance are good and dignified behavior?
                          I asked so cleanly ...
                        6. -19
                          25 September 2021 16: 39
                          Quote: Kapkan
                          This is your swagger and show-off, disdain and arrogance - is this good and dignified behavior?

                          did I neglect you?
                          sorry sir
                          I hurry to correct my mistake
                          what will you please? take your stupidity seriously?
                          believe me, I take them seriously
                          because I understand the consequences of such irresponsible behavior
                        7. +4
                          25 September 2021 16: 54
                          did I neglect you?

                          No, you have disregarded the rules of the Russian language.
                          But, alas, this is not punishable by death.
                          I don’t know why they don’t confiscate the means of communication during hospitalization ... How did you manage to carry it in? The system is flawed or is it all your resourcefulness and ingenuity?
                        8. -16
                          25 September 2021 16: 59
                          Quote: Kapkan
                          But, alas, this is not punishable by death.

                          after all, I was right about your account from the very beginning
                          Quote: Kapkan
                          I don’t know why they don’t confiscate the means of communication during hospitalization.

                          can't answer the question that worries you so much
                          contact him to the medical staff
                          Quote: Kapkan
                          How did you manage to carry it? Is the system flawed or is it all your resourcefulness and ingenuity?

                          not "carry", but "take out"
                          it is not difficult to endure the likes of you when you understand that this is an inevitable evil of any Internet site
                          Quote: Kapkan
                          You have disregarded the rules of the Russian language

                          you never wrote which ones
                          think, take your time with the answer
                          otherwise it will work again as always
                        9. +16
                          25 September 2021 17: 11
                          If one day the FSA disappears from the face of the planet, the world will only become cleaner.
                        10. -13
                          25 September 2021 17: 16
                          Quote: Uran53
                          If one day the FSA disappears from the face of the planet, the world will only become cleaner.

                          even if we do not go into questions of humanism, the main problem is that together with the United States, other territories on Earth, at least comparable in area with the United States, will become unsuitable for human habitation.
                        11. +9
                          25 September 2021 18: 26
                          Well, I also want to note that the disappearance of a country like the United States will bring a huge amount of problem to everyone around for some time. In a bunch of countries, the economy is tied to the United States.
                          We do not, BUT in our country it is tied to the very countries that are firmly connected with the United States.
                          And any major shock will affect us very, very strongly.

                          But in the meantime, yes, it would be nice if the United States broke up into several smaller states like the USSR. It will be possible to play on this.
                        12. -6
                          25 September 2021 18: 55
                          When the glow reaches its climax
                          A terrible disaster can happen.
                          But this, the Third World Epic
                          It will put an end to us. Forever.

                          No help, no shelters with concrete,
                          Not even these generals from the General Staff.
                          There will be no them, Moscow and Washington!
                          A global leader.

                          You just need to remember one thing:
                          That the shot cannot be returned already back.
                          There are many deadly bombs in the world
                          We can be destroyed many times.

                          We look like a macaque with a gun
                          Suddenly, lead can fly.
                          A flash will split people into an atom.
                          Instant and tragic end.

                          War is like a shot at a temple
                          As such, to all humanity.
                          There will be melted sand
                          And 2 dumb questions: what for? And why?

                          I hope that reason will prevail.
                          I hope that - without a war ...
                          Everyone will be alive, they will not die at once,
                          And without knowing all his guilt.

                          2019g.
                        13. +1
                          25 September 2021 21: 01
                          Quote: Denis812
                          But in the meantime, yes, it would be nice if the United States broke up into several smaller states like the USSR. It will be possible to play on this

                          If a single monetary system (dollar, or tied to it) is preserved in the world, then nothing will change, only the likelihood of a nuclear apocalypse will increase
                        14. +3
                          25 September 2021 20: 34
                          Quote: Flood
                          even if we do not go into questions of humanism, the main problem is that together with the United States, other territories on Earth, at least comparable in area with the United States, will become unsuitable for human habitation.

                          I apologize for getting involved in your bloodthirsty conversation, but I think that the United States as a hegemon can disappear in some equivalent cases, for example: if a real threat of the extinction of Mankind looms, the destruction of the Globe, or a real alternative to the dollar (Energorubl) is created. smile
                        15. -7
                          25 September 2021 20: 39
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          I apologize for getting involved in your bloodthirsty conversation.

                          nothing, nothing, join wink
                        16. +2
                          25 September 2021 21: 15
                          I agree with Navodl, join me.
                          If Ch-Wo disappears. then to hell with them with the States. This is Sentence 1.
                          If the States disappear without the disappearance of Ch-Wah, then it will be through the collapse of the USSR. This is Sentence 2.

                          The energy ruble is too cool and before us, as before Chubais.

                          Let's talk about realities. And in the realities of the United States, and all that remains.
                        17. +2
                          25 September 2021 21: 52
                          Quote: Denis812
                          Let's talk about realities. And in the realities of the United States, and all that remains.

                          And in the category of realities there is one weak point in the dollar ... In the world it is considered its strength, but it is not so. I'm talking about the absence of a dollar-pegged standard. It is obvious that in the financial world there is a cartel conspiracy when to make cheap metals, when to make cheap oil, expensive gold, always cheap human life ... all currencies are actually tied to a green piece of paper, and it itself is not tied to anything wassat .
                          Direct exchange of the ruble for the dollar resembles an injection of saline instead of lost blood. The dollar constantly inflates and depreciates all other currencies, while the filling of currencies is transferred to newly issued dollars.
                          Rigid pegging of the ruble to the kilowatt is a protective barrier that will not allow the ruble to lose its filling. Imagine you can save money without losing purchasing power !!! The opportunity to accumulate money appears for each individual person and for the country !! Collectors of money from all over the world will be honored to have a certain amount of Energy Rubles in their collections, they will buy it supplementing its content !!! laughing The center of the world's financial power to move elsewhere.
                          New Vasyuki will be built in Siberia ... (sorry, I got carried away) laughing
                        18. +2
                          26 September 2021 10: 00
                          You say the energy ruble ... Hmm ... Well, yes, it's tempting ... But the Yankees will definitely disagree with this. And the idea is 100 +
                        19. +2
                          26 September 2021 10: 37
                          Why the heck ruble some kind of filling with electricity? Do you understand what money is for? By introducing some kind of rigid binding to the resource, you begin to slow down the economy, for which there is not enough money for the growth of the economy. The problem with the dollar is not that it is not pegged to, say, gold. The trouble with the dollar is that it is printed uncontrollably by all mankind. In theory, it would be fair to distribute dollars printed as the economy grows to countries depending on the growth of their economy, but in fact the United States spends the printed money on itself alone.
                        20. +1
                          26 September 2021 13: 53
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Why the heck ruble some kind of filling with electricity?

                          ??? Money has purchasing power. it is simply proposed to make the Kilowatt hour standard and firmly tie the nominal ruble to a specific kilowatt.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Do you understand what money is for?

                          Of course, a medium of exchange, of accumulation ..
                          .
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          By introducing some kind of rigid binding to the resource, you begin to slow down the economy, for which there is not enough money for the growth of the economy.

                          print more paper rubles, twice three times what this economy has and let's see what happens. I saw it in 91-98.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          The trouble with the dollar is that it is printed uncontrollably by all mankind.

                          All is correct !!! drinks so it is proposed to put up a kilowatt, provided by our infrastructure, against the dollar, let it play, and the ruble will always be equal to a kilowatt.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          In theory, it would be fair to distribute dollars printed as the economy grows to countries depending on the growth of their economy.
                          yeah, or take away from these countries if their economy falls laughing
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          In fact, the US spends the printed money on itself alone.

                          Good girl !! so it is proposed to put a buffer between the ruble and the dollar !!!
                        21. 0
                          26 September 2021 14: 14
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          print more paper rubles, twice three times what this economy has and let's see what happens. I saw it in 91-98.

                          I am not suggesting printing money out of the air. But it is wrong to bind them to any resource.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          Good girl !! so it is proposed to put a buffer between the ruble and the dollar !!!

                          The Americans refused to peg the dollar to gold for a reason and not out of a desire to intrigue the whole world. There was a completely objective reason for this. Which I have already said. And the ability to print money unsecured by its economy is already a pleasant side effect.
                        22. +1
                          26 September 2021 14: 25
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          There was a completely objective reason for this. Which I have already said.

                          about this in more detail, if possible?
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          And the ability to print money unsecured by its economy is already a pleasant side effect.

                          I’m trying to understand where we don’t understand each other?
                        23. -2
                          26 September 2021 14: 30
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          about this in more detail, if possible?

                          Read more from economists. I am not an economist.
                        24. 0
                          26 September 2021 20: 28
                          The idea of ​​the energy ruble is wonderful, it is a fair, rational idea, but only the mighty of this world will lay down with bones, but will not allow it to be brought to life in the foreseeable future, for them this will be like death. The only possibility of such a project is the destruction of the stronghold of the world ruling elite - the United States, but it is better not by unleashing a nuclear war, it is better if you break them up into several small states.
                        25. +1
                          26 September 2021 10: 30
                          The energy ruble is nonsense for petty-bourgeois fools. Only the victory of communism can save humanity from wars and oppression by the ruling class.
                        26. +1
                          26 September 2021 13: 42
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Only the victory of communism can save humanity from wars and oppression by the ruling class.

                          +++ I really like your attitude fellow , but there is no clear definition of Communism. Conventional I mean. There is a decoding of this concept more than 100 years ago, there is Wikipedia, there is even a definition that this is a kind of terrorism lol .
                          Further, the concept of the ruling class is who? officials or bankers who do not rule over anyone supposedly .....
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          The energy ruble is nonsense for petty-bourgeois fools

                          Have you read Marx studied? remember the concept of Cost? Marx measured it by the hours of a specialist's work. Today there are factories and factories where there are no workers, so you cannot measure the cost by the hours of work. But you can measure everything by the energy expended.
                          no oppressed wassat In transnational corporations, decisions are made collectively, property is corporatized and therefore resembles Soviet collective farms wassat
                          So the question is: who are petty-bourgeois fools ??? For example, I am a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, I received a ticket in 1989. I store ....
                        27. -1
                          26 September 2021 13: 51
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          Today there are factories and factories where there are no workers, so you cannot measure the cost by the hours of work.

                          Can. As long as there is at least one person who will spend time on any work.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          So the question is: who are petty-bourgeois fools ???

                          Those who believe in this nonsense. Because no energy rubles will change the situation, only a gradual transition to communism with the withering away of the state and commodity-money relations. And these noodles about the energy ruble only confuse people.
                        28. 0
                          26 September 2021 14: 08
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Can. As long as there is at least one person who will spend time on any work.

                          The content of a person has an energetic component. This is cooking, working with a computer, water is supplied to the water supply by electric pumps, human things are made with the use of Electric Energy. Did you know that 90% of the cost of cement is energy consumption? In a loaf of bread, the cost of grain is 16%, the rest is EE .... Today, it is impossible and stupid to ignore such a concept.
                          And yet what kind of Communism are we talking about ???
                        29. 0
                          26 September 2021 14: 19
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          And yet what kind of Communism are we talking about ???

                          Classless society, public ownership of the means of production, the absence of commodity-money relations.
                        30. 0
                          26 September 2021 14: 32
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Classless society, public ownership of the means of production, the absence of commodity-money relations.

                          The oppressed working class is clearly smaller laughing
                          Marx believed that the transition would be gradual, the literacy of people would grow, the length of the working day would decrease, and a person would spend all his remaining time on self-improvement. However, 70% of all money in the world is spent on entertainment. The term self-improvement is encountered less and less often. When was the last time you read a book on economics? Did you read it and not scan it?
                        31. 0
                          26 September 2021 15: 18
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          The oppressed working class is clearly smaller

                          No, I didn't.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          Marx believed that the transition would be gradual, the literacy of people would grow, the length of the working day would decrease, and a person would spend all his remaining time on self-improvement.

                          In what sense is it gradual? Where did Marx write that this transition should be without revolution?
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          When was the last time you read a book on economics? Did you read it and not scan it?

                          I am not an economist. And I also work. Yeah, the same employee. Every day I read a bunch of articles and books on my immediate field of activity.
                        32. +1
                          26 September 2021 16: 37
                          Communism cannot be built under modern conditions. At least make a revolution all over the planet, at the same time. The psychology of homo-hapiens will not allow it. For 70 years the USSR failed to cope with this task. There were sprouts, but they were trampled in a few years, after the beginning of the marked drain of socialism and subsequent restoration. Communism is not an easy and not fast business.
                        33. 0
                          26 September 2021 16: 39
                          Quote: Essex62
                          The psychology of homo-hapiens will not allow it.

                          Why? I know of course that this is nonsense, but I'm still interested. Can you tell us something new.
                        34. 0
                          27 September 2021 01: 59
                          What nonsense, colleague? That a person is essentially an animal, moreover, predatory and controlled by instincts, overcoming education and reason. We were all pioneers, Komsomol members, many were communists, and not millions, but hundreds, came out to defend Soviet power. Where did so many petty-bourgeois s..v ol - oh..h..i come from? I was shocked when, yesterday's mine, they poured over me with passion from the shooter. And not some stray ones. After all the events, it turned out, for example, my neighbor, a reserve officer, was one of them.
                          Have they all been deceived? Maybe so, or maybe they were ready for this deception? Minotaur, the inner egoist in everyone sits. They beckoned me with jeans, chewing gum, but rather still the opportunity to open my own business, hire laborers and warm my ass by the warm sea. How many of our former "comrades" did you end up with?
                          At the dawn of our power, the Bolsheviks had incredible motivation and they did not expect any benefits from life. They simply fought for a society of equals. As soon as the era of developed socialism came, they invented the "community of the Soviet people." It couldn't be stranger. Equalized the proletarian and the thief in the base. And kirdyk to the dictatorship of the proletariat, the upper ones buried her. I mean Brezhnev, I mean, not a marked agent. They are tired of fighting. On the other hand, how many years or decades in a state of civil war should a society live? Raised something from a young fingernails to the conscience. Our generation, for sure. But it turned out that selfishness prevailed. What kind of communism is this? To restore socialism, to begin with, to return the reformatted youth. How do you think it will turn out?
                        35. 0
                          27 September 2021 09: 27
                          Quote: Essex62
                          That a person is essentially an animal, moreover, predatory and controlled by instincts, overcoming education and reason.

                          At the same time, it somehow turns out that the mass of people now live differently than under the feudal or slave-owning system, when such things were considered normal from which people now have their hair on end. That is, people's behavior depends on the surrounding reality.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          As soon as the era of developed socialism came, they came up with the "community of the Soviet people."

                          What's invented here? In fact, it was so. A single economy and social order united everyone who lived in the USSR. Yes, of course, there were many remnants of the past, but slowly they disappeared and would disappear under the influence of socialism. If not for the disaster.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          On the other hand, how many years or decades should society live in a state of civil war?

                          And society constantly lives in a civil war as long as there are reasons for this war. And in capitalism they are always there. For class contradictions are an innate property of capitalism. And in a period of aggravation of contradictions, this war turns into a hot phase.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          But it turned out that the selfish prevailed.

                          And this is quite natural. Problems in the economy at a certain stage led, in fact, to the stagnation of society, the river turned into a stagnant swamp. And naturally, against the background of the fact that there was a lot of bad things as communism was built, people had the idea that this path was wrong. And taking into account the fact that the public consciousness of many was frankly to a large extent with huge vestiges of even the feudal, then in the end they received a rollback in the socio-economic formation.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          To restore socialism, to begin with, to return the reformatted youth.

                          Socialism is the first phase of communism. And the fact that the supporters of capitalism are pushing for nothing more than individual and often temporary concessions from the dictatorship of capital in order to smooth out class contradictions. Which are very easy to select at every opportunity and which are often very difficult to return back. Take the same retirement age. Although at once I will make a reservation the age still had to be raised, but how it was done is just meanness of the highest standard.
                        36. 0
                          27 September 2021 13: 15
                          That is, do you believe that grasping-selfish instincts can be completely eliminated? Especially today, when they've been instilled in millions? Can I program how? And how can we get rid of these vestiges if it hasn’t been possible to get rid of them in 70 years? Even the feudal ones. And this was superimposed on another 30 years of feudal-capitalist savagery in the Russian Federation, disfiguring the consciousness, first of all, of the youth. And without her, nothing can be changed.
                          If we take the class struggle in the West, it boils down to nothing more than the struggle of hired workers to limit the possibilities of the bourgeoisie, but no matter how completely they can be abolished. And without this socialism, there is no first stage of communism.
                          And I wrote about the civil war not under capitalism, everything is natural here, but inside the already built socialism. It will have to be carried on without end. As they say, burning with a red-hot iron.
                        37. 0
                          27 September 2021 14: 33
                          Quote: Essex62
                          And how can we get rid of these vestiges if it hasn’t been possible to get rid of them in 70 years?

                          You do not understand. Let's explain in a simpler way. Here is bread. When it is not enough, it is of great value, people are ready to kill for it. But when there is a lot of it, you don't look at it as a great value. Up to the point that they are ready to spend it on all sorts of nonsense such as some kind of inedible crafts. There is and is. The same goes for clothing, housing, transport, medicine. What should you share with your neighbor if you have everything you need, and tomorrow there will be even more? Of course, you can get caught up in some petty everyday conflicts and individual inadequacies, but they do not determine social relations. In the mass it will be so. The growth of the productive forces, together with the transition to a communist society, will destroy class contradictions and thereby destroy the basis for many conflicts.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          And how can we get rid of these vestiges if it hasn’t been possible to get rid of them in 70 years?

                          This requires a serious economic basis and time to overcome the inertia of public consciousness.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          If we take the class struggle in the West, it boils down to nothing more than the struggle of hired workers to limit the possibilities of the bourgeoisie, but no matter how completely they can be abolished. And without this socialism, there is no first stage of communism.

                          You're right. But class contradictions will not go anywhere as long as capitalism is alive, which means that a revolutionary situation will always arise periodically.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          It will have to be carried on without end.

                          If we consider the civil war as a struggle against the reaction of the old OEF, then exactly until the basis and public consciousness reach stability, having passed that historical stage when a rollback is possible. This has always been the case. The slave system has existed for several millennia, and yet we live in a society for which slavery is considered savagery.
                        38. 0
                          27 September 2021 22: 36
                          Neither is slavery considered savagery in the modern world. I am not a theorist, I am a practitioner. And I know for sure, because I saw life and people with different views on it. The scientific approach is a good thing and saturation with the necessary product, for example, based on scientific and technical progress, too. A person will no longer need to butt for their daily bread and energy, but what will you do with the predator inside, striving for domination?
                          The organisms that set him free will break off all communism for you. And other organisms, of which today, the overwhelming majority believe that one should only love oneself and live on this basis, they do not fit into it, because this is a commune, a collective. And so on ad infinitum? How to influence consciousness, how to strangle this wolf bookmark? Only a high standard of living? Checked does not work. Even when in reality the proletariat was ruthlessly using the highest measure, some stepped over fear and pounded in wagons. How will you jam this vein of money-grubbing?
                          I don’t deny communism, but I don’t see any prerequisites for it yet. For I do not understand how to remove the main obstacle. Therefore, I wrote in the initial post that this is a long and difficult business.
                        39. 0
                          28 September 2021 00: 19
                          Quote: Essex62
                          Neither is slavery considered savagery in the modern world.

                          That is, for you, slavery is the norm of life?
                          Quote: Essex62
                          but what will you do with the predator within, seeking to dominate?
                          The organisms that set him free will break off all communism for you.

                          Am I now talking to a human or to a wild animal? Nichrome no one breaks off anything. If you want to dominate, do business for the good of society. And dominate become the best engineer, soccer player, doctor, actor, builder. There is no need to engage in pulling an owl onto the globe. It seems that you live in the jungle where every day there is a struggle for survival.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          And other organisms, of which today, the overwhelming majority believe that one should love only oneself and live on this basis, no matter how they do not fit into it, for this is a commune, a collective.

                          Well, let them live, they don’t come to me, I don’t climb to them. They are reasonable people and must understand what it means to live in society, and not understand their problem. There is no need to draw on special cases.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          Even when in reality the proletariat was ruthlessly using the highest measure, some stepped over fear and pounded in wagons. How will you jam this vein of money-grubbing?

                          I get the fuck you're not interested in what I'm saying. You don't want to understand me. This nonsense got into your head and you carry it incessantly. What other cars? Can you hear me? Why the heck of these cars? For the sake of having a carriage in the middle of your house? Maybe you are sick in this case, you need to be treated? How tired I am of this idealistic nonsense. When you listen to her for the million first time, she starts to bring to white heat. A communist is a man, understand, a man, not an angel. A person with merits and demerits. Simply under the influence of circumstances, in general, roughly speaking, he behaves in a certain way. In the same way as now, you do not burst into neighbors and do not take them away into slavery and do not rob because life has changed, the economy has become different. You just don't need it.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          I don’t deny communism, but I don’t see any prerequisites for it yet. For I do not understand how to remove the main obstacle.

                          What the fuck is the main obstacle? The main obstacle is economics plus as a derivative inertia of public consciousness. And that's all.
                        40. 0
                          28 September 2021 05: 00
                          Blessed is he who believes. Not public consciousness, but personal, of each and precisely the jungle.
                          You can't hear me. You don’t want to hear. Will not give, not limited by anything, consumption, the opportunity to change the consciousness of the predator.
                          And where will you go to the whole Anglo-Saxon Caudle? These generally do not lend themselves to communization. And communism within the boundaries of one state is not possible.
                          Let's say everything becomes as you say. But as ? These will not allow. So forward to the world revolution on Russian bayonets? Practically how? You’re mad because you don’t know how to solve the problem either. So we have to wait until they get the same at least to socialism? And Africa, the feudal East?
                          A couple of thousand years are still needed.
                        41. 0
                          28 September 2021 09: 08
                          Quote: Essex62
                          Blessed is he who believes.

                          You are the one who believes. They hung these noodles on your ears and it fell very well. And I know exactly what.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          It will not give, not limited by anything, the opportunity to change the consciousness of the predator.

                          Consumption is always limited.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          And where will you go to the whole Anglo-Saxon Caudle? These generally do not lend themselves to communization.

                          Obscurantism on the march. Study the history. The Anglo-Saxons themselves had a serious labor movement. It was not yet degenerated into a farce. By the way, we have the same thing now. Apparently there are no Russians in Russia, only Anglo-Saxons.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          You’re mad because you don’t know how to solve the problem either.

                          I don’t deal with fabrications and solution of non-existent problems and I don’t recommend it to you.
                          Quote: Essex62
                          So we have to wait until they get the same at least to socialism? And Africa, the feudal East?
                          A couple of thousand years are still needed.

                          Africa and the feudal East will in no way be able to influence the development of communism, if only because they do not have the economic, technological, scientific and military power that would allow it to do so.
                        42. 0
                          28 September 2021 17: 43
                          Yeah. All the same, our military power is the guarantor that communism will come exactly here. It is possible to return socialism, only here. Communism only on a planetary scale and not otherwise.
                          You know, no one suggested anything. I read Marx and Lenin, I didn’t study it, I don’t see the point, they don’t have answers to the questions of our time, I read it thoughtfully, independently. At the time when I was becoming a communist, they were doing this, without any enthusiasm, literally from under the stick. It is just like the old and new testaments, a century earlier. The political talkers were talking, but they were not heard. And after the idea was real, it was necessary to fight until bloodshed, to look for an understanding of the mechanism, how to return it, as dominant in society.
                          The impudent Saxons did not have a serious labor movement that aimed to destroy the bourgeoisie as a class, with a ban on enrichment and equality from birth. What is socialism. All the same attempts to squeeze out a few opportunities. They decided on a real fight only in Russia, en masse and not focal, under the pressure of circumstances - PMA. From a practical point of view, even now you can only fight for socialism here. Moreover, not counting on support beyond the hills of the Fatherland. The situation is worse than in the last century.
                          There will be communism when there will be socialism in Burkino Faso and the USA too.
                        43. -1
                          26 September 2021 19: 18
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          The oppressed working class is clearly smaller

                          No, I didn't.

                          Who oppresses the unemployed, self-employed, entrepreneurs, doctors, officials, employees of joint-stock companies ??? smile
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          In what sense is it gradual? Where did Marx write that this transition should be without revolution?

                          between socialism and capitalism smile
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          I am not an economist. And I also work. Yeah, the same employee. Every day I read a bunch of articles and books on my immediate field of activity.

                          F. Engels wrote that a narrow specialization is professional cretinism. And I beg your pardon, but why groundlessly speak out on a question you do not understand? By the way Energorubl is the only chance of transition to Socialism. If you are enlightened by the theory of the value of Marx, then I will justify this to you.
                        44. +1
                          26 September 2021 22: 24
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          Who oppresses the unemployed, self-employed, entrepreneurs, doctors, officials, employees of joint-stock companies ???

                          Capital. Large, small, medium.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          between socialism and capitalism

                          He didn't write that.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          And I beg your pardon, but why groundlessly speak out on a question you do not understand?

                          I understand some basic things. That you do not understand. In particular, the labor theory of value.
                        45. 0
                          27 September 2021 08: 04
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          between socialism and capitalism

                          He didn't write that.

                          sorry wrong - between socialism and communism
                        46. 0
                          27 September 2021 09: 11
                          Thanks for the invitation to the discussion. smile
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          I understand some basic things. That you do not understand. In particular, the labor theory of value.

                          The cost is labor embodied in the product !!! good Hooray, you can finally communicate with a literate person !! now let's compare the time when Marx lived, with uprisings, riots, Lyons weavers .... and our time when wars go for energy. Replace in the ingenious definition the word Labor with the word Energy, you must agree that there is something in this, isn't it? Value is Energy embodied in the commodity, is there any contradiction to the laws of Nature here?
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Who oppresses the unemployed, self-employed, entrepreneurs, doctors, officials, employees of joint-stock companies ???
                          Capital. Large, small, medium.

                          Well, my friend give laughing Who can oppress an entrepreneur? he is a capitalist in himself, a petty one ... An official works for the state apparatus .. He is not an oppressed class
                          Another thing is that Capital, as you know, is industrial and financial, currently Financial capital oppresses Industrial. smile
                          Money in our time has greatly lost the function of accumulation, The fact that 2 years ago was worth a million is now worth one and a half. The purchasing power of money does not just disappear; it is transferred to newly printed money.
                          With the help of inflation, financial capital draws out the purchasing power of circulating money. Money thus acquires the function of an instrument of robbery.
                          Enough for now, I would be grateful for your answer.
                        47. +1
                          27 September 2021 10: 59
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          The cost is labor embodied in the product !!!

                          Labor embodied in the commodity.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          now let's compare the time when Marx lived, with uprisings, riots, Lyons weavers .... and our time when wars are fought over energy.

                          Yes, I know. And even in the days of Marx, there were no iPhones. Wars are not going on for anything. For sources of resources, not only energy, for sales markets, for imposing a profitable economic model.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          Replace the word Labor with the word Energy in the ingenious definition, agree that there is something in this, isn't it? Value is Energy embodied in the commodity, is there any contradiction to the laws of Nature here?

                          Why not Substance? Moreover, the substance was already in this role. And labor is still a slightly different category. By the way, how do you propose to implement this software and why? In fact, this energy of yours is a commodity, but the economy boils down not only to the energy industry. The amount of money must correspond to the entire economy of the entire aggregate of goods. And for you it turns out to be tied to a separate category of goods in a particular industry.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          Who can oppress an entrepreneur?

                          Another entrepreneur. Large medium and small. Medium to small. And also the classics of obscurity wrote about it. In particular, Lenin.
                          Quote: aybolyt678
                          The official works for the state apparatus .. He is not an oppressed class

                          The official is not a class. But a low-level official is often just as oppressed a wage earner as a factory worker.
                        48. 0
                          27 September 2021 12: 16
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Labor embodied in the commodity.

                          which is measured in hours of work of a person in which you will measure the work of a robotic machine. or a multi-ton truck? the role of man there is scanty and the totality of energy is large.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Why not Substance? Moreover, the substance was already in this role

                          take a piece of metal. the first redistribution is cast iron from ore, the second is iron from cast iron, after a couple of remelting (redistribution) steel is obtained. Somewhere I read a stainless steel it is at least 8 !! redistribution.
                          Let's take a piece of bauxite (clay), and aluminum, which is obtained from it, 95% of the cost of aluminum is electricity, in fact, aluminum is materialized electricity.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          Another entrepreneur. Large medium and small. Medium to small. And also the classics of obscurity wrote about it. In particular, Lenin.

                          Class oppression implies the appropriation of a part of surplus value. In my example of oppression - Banks oppress Business through inflation. A small entrepreneur is formally independent of a large one; he does not work for him.
                          Dear Makar, more than a hundred years have passed since the time of the classics, Marxism is not a dogma, but a leadership, a methodology.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          The amount of money must correspond to the entire economy of the entire aggregate of goods. And for you it turns out to be tied to a separate category of goods in a particular industry.

                          In accordance with the Central Bank's charter, the amount of money in Russia must correspond to the size of the gold and foreign exchange reserves. Let's say gold is also a commodity, no one is afraid to issue against gold? Your argument is not accepted.
                          Look at electricity not as a separate commodity, but as the aggregate material component of any other commodity.
                          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                          By the way, how do you propose to implement this software and why?

                          a lot to write in detail. By the way, I'm not an economist. But in essence it is very simple: the main thing is to maintain a balance between the energy sector of Russia and the world currency basket. Eric's course support is to support and develop this industry. I repeat, a kilowatt is always equal to one Eric, the dollar exchange rate is not important at all, he can play as he wants. The kilowatt rate relative to other currencies should be such that, when exchanging all circulating eriks, it would be possible to build exactly such an energy system for dollars, or buy the same amount of electricity for dollars (this is perhaps more accurate). Eriks sold abroad for foreign currency are not included here because currency is an additional security for Erik ... The question of what to do with the currency that inflates in the storerooms has no answer yet, except for its application in international trade. Something like this.
                          I don’t remember now, but in Soviet times there was a special formula for calculating cash in the economy.
                          I have questions for you - is the current system correct? why are they not afraid to buy bitcoins, what are they provided with?
                        49. -2
                          25 September 2021 21: 23
                          if you don't even go into questions of humanism,


                          In vain you are trying to vtemyash a simple thing - the US war - China will begin with the conquest of Russia. That or that. Economic, diplomatic subjugation and submission.
                          It will not work to sit out just like that on the shortest flight route San Francisco - Beijing, passing over Kamchatka and the Far East.
                          Unfortunately we are now like Poles between Germany and the USSR. Can't believe it? Well, think about why the downed South Korean Boeing flew through Kamchatka and Sakhalin
                          That is, if we discard "humanism" at all.
                        50. -6
                          25 September 2021 21: 29
                          Quote: dauria
                          In vain you are trying to vtemyash a simple thing - the US war - China will begin with the conquest of Russia.

                          yes, the audience here is extremely militant
                          sleep and dream of blossoming nuclear mushrooms
                        51. +2
                          25 September 2021 22: 02
                          Quote: dauria
                          In vain you are trying to vtemyash a simple thing - the US war - China will begin with the conquest of Russia. That or that. Economic, diplomatic subjugation and submission.

                          Any war has a goal ... You of course mean Napoleon and Hitler who, while fighting the British for world domination, for some reason deviated from the route and attacked Russia ... that's understandable. Russia is interesting as a supplier of resources in the modern world.
                          so the point is that we are already giving resources to the whole world !!! the country is braided with pipes, use the resources, why fight with us? Everyone understands that a classic war will lead to disaster. Only a smart monkey has a chance.
                        52. -3
                          25 September 2021 22: 27
                          Why fight with us?

                          If we surrender, then there is no need ... laughing And so just look through the eyes of the Chinese General Staff - it is necessary to block the most dangerous and shortest direction, it runs from California through the Aleuts, Kamchatka, Khabarovsk to Beijing. both air defense and attack bases are needed. Airfields and ports for the fleet Let us ask Russia to provide territory for bases for 99 years. We will ask very persistently. Do not get out. And let us clash with the Chinese - the United States will only happily rub its sweaty palms.
                          We are not a monkey in a tree over the tigers, but an anthill in a field near Prokhorovka.
                        53. +2
                          25 September 2021 22: 40
                          Quote: dauria
                          Let us ask Russia to provide territory for bases for 99 years. We will ask very persistently

                          we will shoot down any flying dragons over our territory ourselves
                          Quote: dauria
                          And just take a look through the eyes of the Chinese General Staff

                          if you look at the situation from the position of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, expressions of concern do not bother anyone. In this world, the symbol of serious intentions is nuclear weapons. What kind of ambassador called the country to fight? ambassadors usually prevent wars wink a new trick of diplomacy?
                          And also look at it through the eyes of the Chinese Ministry of Economy. Export-dependent economy 70% of which is powered by the United States
                        54. 0
                          25 September 2021 22: 56
                          The disappearance of the FSA may not necessarily be due to external factors. There are also internal contradictions above the roof (suffice it to recall the last elections, BLM). They will soon destroy themselves.
                        55. +10
                          25 September 2021 18: 47
                          I think most of the 330 million striped will deeply give a damn if you disappear along with all of us and Russia. They will only rejoice and will rub their sweaty little hands, this wealth has rolled over. And wherever you go, you will engage in moralizing, but alas, neither you nor your heirs will be on this earth. Evaluate the situation and do not judge others (I mean striped ones) according to their principles, they are absolutely opposite. Remember the vile giggle of the Clintonshe when she rejoiced at someone else's death. For many, cleanliness was costing dearly, right up to their death. hi
                        56. -12
                          25 September 2021 18: 58
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          I think most of the 330 million striped ones will deeply give a damn if you disappear along with all of us and Russia.

                          I do not belong to this beautiful part of humanity
                          my values, principles, and views can differ significantly from the average American
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          And you will be engaged in moralizing wherever you go, but alas, neither you nor your heirs will be on this earth

                          I will also live on this earth, and my descendants, and the descendants of my descendants
                          whatever your prophecies
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          Evaluate the situation and do not judge others (I mean striped ones) according to their principles, they are absolutely opposite.

                          I demand from myself according to my standards
                          it's not about the Americans, whom you propose to become like
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          For many, cleanliness has cost dearly

                          who is cleanliness, and who is cleanliness
                          living without moral principles is much easier and more carefree
                        57. +5
                          25 September 2021 19: 13
                          I do not belong to this beautiful part of humanity

                          Who are you talking about?
                          I will also live on this earth, and my descendants, and the descendants of my descendants
                          whatever your prophecies

                          These are not my prophecies, this reality has already visited, say, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. And the striped ones are simply afraid to touch us, because not everything, how you will sly and we have something to "thank" them and woe to those who do not have it, see a little higher.
                          who is cleanliness, and who is cleanliness
                          living without moral principles is much easier and more carefree

                          Can you give an example about me or about my country?
                          Finish the shit smacking.
                        58. -8
                          25 September 2021 19: 32
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          Can you give an example about me or about my country?

                          an example of what should I give you?
                          it was you who undertook to teach me, not me you
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          Finish the shit smacking.

                          start with yourself
                          This will be fair
                        59. -2
                          26 September 2021 09: 21
                          And you are popular on the site, but with a minus sign, why would that be? Rate it and your quote will come in handy.
                          start with yourself
                          This will be fair
                          negative hi
                        60. -1
                          26 September 2021 09: 25
                          Quote: Ros 56
                          And you are popular on the site, but with a minus sign, why would that be? Rate it and your quote will come in handy.

                          people are too lazy to read the entire thread of correspondence and delve into the essence of the dispute
                          the result of the triumph of clip thinking
                          and you do not look back at others and do not chase popularity
                          PS
                          and yet you are right about something.
                          here I have accumulated a dozen irreconcilable admirers.
                          should this make me stop thinking on my own?
                        61. +5
                          25 September 2021 18: 23
                          Quote: Flood
                          you know how to behave with dignity only if "let them first stop spitting, then so will I."
                          but this is kindergarten
                          if we do not know how to be responsible for our words and our behavior, then what can we demand from others?
                          To such primitive manipulations it is necessary to answer: "As it comes around, so it will respond" and "I am not such a d-ur-ak to be smarter." From kindergarten they drum into that you should neglect your interests, give in, but you could already overcome this imposed state?
                        62. -11
                          25 September 2021 18: 32
                          Quote: bk0010
                          From kindergarten they drum into that you should neglect your interests, give in, but you could already overcome this imposed state?

                          the general direction is roughly clear
                          but couldn't read the exact address between the lines
                          again, please, what in my comments prompted you to a mentor tone?
                          with which words of mine do you disagree?
                        63. +3
                          25 September 2021 18: 34
                          Quote: Flood
                          "so let them first stop spitting, then I will"

                          Quote: bk0010
                          this is a kindergarten
                          This. We got it in due time. Sorry for the tone, anger is really at the wrong place.
                        64. -10
                          25 September 2021 18: 44
                          Quote: bk0010
                          This. We got it in due time. Sorry for the tone, anger is really at the wrong place.

                          I do not give up my words
                          go up the thread of the correspondence to understand how these words were pulled
                        65. +2
                          25 September 2021 20: 01
                          Quote: Flood
                          if we do not know how to be responsible for our words and our behavior, then what can we demand from others?
                          I am interested that your opinion is completely similar to the behavior of our government. It only does what it behaves with dignity, expresses concern and sometimes becomes worthy of a useless Note. This is after under the Soviet Union no one would dare to promise one thing, but to do something completely different, as mattresses do today.
                        66. -9
                          25 September 2021 20: 12
                          Quote: businessv
                          I am interested that your opinion is completely similar to the behavior of our government. It only does what it behaves with dignity

                          do you think that the leadership of the Russian Federation is behaving with dignity?
                          I can only congratulate you in that case.
                        67. +3
                          25 September 2021 21: 09
                          Quote: Flood
                          do you think that the leadership of the Russian Federation is behaving with dignity?
                          I can only congratulate you in that case.

                          I believe that by pulling out the quote, you distorted the general meaning of what was said! I said that it is high time to stop getting tired and try to please everyone that you suggested in your post. I deliberately write the appeal "You" with a small letter wink and now I understand exactly why they pushed you sleepers!
                        68. -8
                          25 September 2021 21: 25
                          Quote: businessv
                          by pulling out the quote, you distorted the general meaning of what was said

                          You are not in the least jarred by the far-fetched comparisons of my words with the actions of the Russian Government.
                          So do not be embarrassed that I quoted your own words. Be careful the next time you put your thoughts into writing.

                          Quote: businessv
                          it's time to stop getting hired and try to please everyone that you suggested in your post

                          Blatant lies.
                          Confirm with a quote or admit you were wrong.
                          I urged the foolish kids to stop rejoicing in the specter of nuclear war.

                          Quote: businessv
                          I deliberately write the appeal "You" with a small letter

                          Don't make excuses. This is quite acceptable and not blameworthy in the Russian language.

                          Quote: businessv
                          now I understand exactly why they put the sleepers on you!

                          Well, share your understanding.
                          and "sticking the sleepers" is a simple matter
                          Do you want me to draw a couple for you too?
                        69. +2
                          25 September 2021 22: 27
                          Quote: Flood
                          Well, share your understanding.
                          and "sticking the sleepers" is a simple matter
                          Do you want me to draw a couple for you too?
                          I will share it with pleasure! Sleepers were pushed to you for the cause, namely: you do not oppose, but most often accuse, I just wrote that I was interested, you immediately became aggressive;
                          Don't make excuses. This is quite acceptable and not blameworthy in the Russian language.
                          by writing this nonsense, you only confirmed your disrespect for your opponent, and without understanding the reason for what was written (it was irony, not an attempt to justify yourself), you also managed to provoke indignation; Well, breaking someone else's post into quotes, most often unsuccessfully, answering them inappropriately, since you delighted to break them, you confidently earn a minus from your opponent and those who read your works. As for the sleepers that you allegedly did not put me yet, but were just going, you have the opportunity to prove that it was not you who put the sleepers on me - change the score in any post, except for this downward, slap the sleeper! wink
                        70. -5
                          25 September 2021 22: 50
                          Quote: businessv
                          Sleepers were thrust into you for the cause, namely: you do not oppose, but most often blame

                          unfounded
                          from which it follows that I am not opposed?
                          despite the fact that you are not at all outraged by the anonymous voiceless minus without any "opposition"
                          but my opponent does not seem to you enough opponent
                          Quote: businessv
                          by writing this nonsense, you only confirmed your disrespect for your opponent, and without understanding the reason for what was written, (it was irony, not an attempt to justify yourself)

                          you found stupidity where I had irony
                          but at the same time accuse me of not understanding your irony
                          Quote: businessv
                          Well, breaking someone else's post into quotes, most often unsuccessfully, answering them out of place, since you delighted to break them, you confidently earn a minus from your opponent and those who read your works

                          you are funny
                          this is your assessment, no more
                          she is important to me only as much as your opinion is valuable to me

                          "by writing this nonsense you confirmed your disrespect"
                          what is stupidity and what is disrespect?
                          well, yes, you think so or think so
                          but this does not mean at all that it really is
                          this is a value judgment that you do not support with any arguments
                          only emotions
                          "smashing unsuccessfully, answering out of place"
                          and you are asking for a complimentary answer. can you at least sometimes write reasonably, with a specific example?

                          Quote: businessv
                          As for the sleepers that you allegedly did not put me yet, but were just going, you have the opportunity to prove that it was not you who put the sleepers on me - change the score in any post, except for this downward, slap the sleeper!

                          what do I owe you? excuse me, what are you talking about, my dear? I have to prove something to you?
                          inhale-exhale, sip water.
                        71. 0
                          26 September 2021 09: 33
                          Quote: Flood
                          you are funny
                          this is your assessment, no more
                          If I seemed funny to you, laugh and please don’t write me another stupid opus with a thick veil of demagogy! hi
                        72. 0
                          26 September 2021 09: 37
                          Quote: businessv
                          If I seemed funny to you, laugh and please don’t write me another stupid opus with a thick veil of demagogy!

                          so what is my stupidity, the cleverest of the clever?
                          poke your nose!
                          Finally, confirm your words with a quote from my follies.
                          enough demagoguery.
                        73. -5
                          25 September 2021 23: 02
                          And yes, before you start writing the next accusatory commentary, take the trouble to answer my simple request.
                          Confirm your words with a quote
                          Quote: businessv
                          it's time to stop getting hired and try to please everyone that you suggested in your post

                          so as not to seem to the casual reader as an idle talker who is not responsible for his words
                        74. 0
                          26 September 2021 09: 43
                          Quote: Flood
                          Confirm your words with a quote

                          Here's what most of my colleagues reacted to:

                          Flooding
                          Yesterday, 15: 43

                          -21
                          Quote: Murmur 55
                          What about your proposal?

                          behave with dignity

                          If you are not aware, our country is behaving in the international arena, just "worthy", in your language, which in the understanding of the majority means the toothlessness of foreign policy. And second:
                          with all this, it is very (choose the mildest definition yourself) joyfully rub your palms in anticipation of a nuclear spectacle and provoke the participants in the conflict
                          You started accusing the VO chat participant of "prompting" at a time when it was an obvious joke, which I understood and liked many, which can be seen from the reviews and I will draw your attention to the fact that from our chat it is hardly possible to influence the actions of the Chinese authorities, but one comrade called this joke a "stupid commentary", and you began to teach how to behave and accuse colleagues of non-existent sins. This concludes. hi
                        75. 0
                          26 September 2021 10: 07
                          Quote: businessv
                          You started accusing the VO chat participant of "prompting" at a time when it was a clear joke, which you understood and liked many, as can be seen from the reviews

                          the joke about nuclear war went to many
                          this is what worries me
                          do you come here for the plus signs?
                        76. 0
                          26 September 2021 21: 17
                          Quote: Flood
                          the joke about nuclear war went to many
                          this is what worries me
                          do you come here for the plus signs?
                          I finally understood your problem: you do not understand what you read the first time, therefore you choose what you like, so I will repeat
                          You started accusing the VO chat participant of "prompting" at a time when it was an obvious joke, which I understood and liked many, which can be seen from the reviews and I will draw your attention to the fact that from our chat it is hardly possible to influence the actions of the Chinese authorities, but one comrade called this joke a "stupid commentary", and you began to teach how to behave and accuse colleagues of non-existent sins. This concludes.
                        77. 0
                          26 September 2021 22: 06
                          Quote: businessv
                          I finally understood your problem: you do not understand what you read the first time, therefore you choose what you like, so I will repeat

                          are you still not finished?
                          decided that your simple idea requires additional explanation?
                          no, it doesn't. I have heartburn for such nonsense. how can you write such nonsense twice? it's a talent.
                        78. +2
                          25 September 2021 22: 56
                          Quote: Flood
                          Only if "so let them stop spitting first, then I will"

                          if he stops spitting, then I will stop hitting him
                      2. +8
                        25 September 2021 16: 00
                        If a Nuclear War breaks out, only half of the missiles will fly to China.
                        The rest will fly across Russia.
                        Because if it starts, "victory will write it off."
                        And if they lose - what for 1 billion killed, what for 1,1 billion - they will be answered in the same way.
                        In the same way, if Russia starts attacking any of the NATO countries, it will hit the United States at any rate.
                        1. -3
                          25 September 2021 17: 00
                          Why in the United States?
                          Do you think they will harness their gay European colonies?
                          I don’t think so. Why do they need it.
                        2. +4
                          25 September 2021 17: 26
                          Quote: zwlad
                          Why in the United States?

                          Because the war has ALREADY begun.
                          And we must destroy ALL opponents as quickly as possible, before they destroy us.
                          In such a situation, it is criminal to just hope that the United States is struggling.
                        3. +5
                          25 September 2021 19: 08
                          They do not scare. They do not need a war with the Russian Federation, they understand that this is the finale of their civilization. But if Europe clashes with us. Moreover, if only with conventional weapons. Although they are quite satisfied if China hacked to death with India, for example. They need a war. Big. But only far from their territory.
                        4. CYM
                          +1
                          25 September 2021 23: 59
                          Quote: zwlad
                          But only far from their territory.

                          IMHO The American elite, and the majority of the population, still have a subconscious confidence that the war will always be far from their territory, and they will also earn money on it, as in the first and second world wars. Hence the lawlessness perpetrated by the Americans around the world. It is hard to believe in China's preemptive strike against the United States, it is not in the Chinese mentality to attack first. No.
                        5. 0
                          26 September 2021 11: 10
                          And there is no need for them to hit the United States. If necessary, they will strangle them economically. Give them a great depression -2. True, they themselves will suffer, although if by this moment they have time to crush Europe and Africa, it will be easier.
                          And as for the preemptive strike, this is from the category of "wash your boots in the Indian Ocean."
                        6. 0
                          25 September 2021 18: 25
                          Quote: zwlad
                          Why in the United States?
                          Do you think they will harness their gay European colonies?
                          I don’t think so. Why do they need it.
                          But what if? Now is not the Brezhnev era, there are no more missiles for a retaliatory strike, only for a preventive or retaliatory strike.
                        7. 0
                          26 September 2021 11: 16
                          Any blow to the Russian Federation is the end of their civilization.
                          Well, don't count Americans as downs.
                          And they and we have capitalism, the communist threat has disappeared from us. Raven crows eyes will not peck out.
                          For them, China is now more frightening. China can simply push them economically into the background of history. And Europe will also help China in this process.
                          So they twitched.
                        8. 0
                          25 September 2021 22: 43
                          Quote: Shurik70
                          And if they lose - what for 1 billion killed, what for 1,1 billion - they will be answered in the same way.
                          If such a war breaks out, there will be no one to answer or ask.
                    2. 0
                      25 September 2021 20: 37
                      Quote: Flood
                      behave with dignity

                      Bend over and expand? fool stop
                2. +3
                  25 September 2021 20: 00
                  incite the parties to the conflict
                  Now Xi Jinping will read and start a war laughing
              2. 0
                26 September 2021 05: 45
                In general, at the beginning of a global nuclear conflict, part of the nuclear warhead will be spent on strikes against countries that do not take part in the conflict: just in order to weaken and puzzle ...
              3. 0
                26 September 2021 10: 24
                In any case, the missiles will also fly to Russia. And how this strike will be officially called (preventive, retaliatory or concomitant), we will absolutely not care
                1. 0
                  26 September 2021 14: 01
                  Of course, moreover, some of the mobile systems of China will be withdrawn (or introduced into the territory of the Russian Federation)
                  We will be under attack anyway.
            2. +1
              25 September 2021 15: 41
              Quote: Lara Croft
              The Russian Federation has a land border with the PRC, and not with the United States, respectively, the "wind rose" will not bypass us ....

              So there will be a preemptive blow to the states and no "wind rose" will hurt us
            3. +1
              25 September 2021 17: 36
              If anything, the border between Russia and the Yankees is about 5 km.
              And in winter, you can cross the strait even on ice armor))

              And China was right. They have legions of soldiers, nuclear weapons, the DPRK, and Russia.

              The US is crazy, and it is doing the right thing.
            4. +1
              25 September 2021 18: 24
              We proceed from the premise that there will be no third world tomorrow. Otherwise, any rose of any wind will be indifferent to you. The PRC, like any state with full sovereignty, broadcasts about its power and strength.
            5. 0
              25 September 2021 21: 14
              Rrza winds just from Russia to China wink
            6. 0
              26 September 2021 01: 27
              Actually, air masses above the earth's surface move from west to east. Therefore, radioactive air masses will shift from China to Japan, then to the Pacific Ocean.
          2. +2
            25 September 2021 16: 37
            Quote: Kapkan
            What does Russia have to do with it?

            In fact, with everything. If it comes to a full-scale exchange of blows between the PRC and the United States. Then they will try to grab Russia for the company, and both of them, since the bloodless nuclear exchange participants in the massacre, nafig will not need a "third extra", unharmed, who, having retained his strength, will then be able to finish off or dictate his will.
          3. -1
            25 September 2021 20: 56
            Russia has nothing to do with it. But if the United States and China begin to kill each other, they will also hit Russia, just to weaken Russia.
          4. 0
            26 September 2021 12: 35
            Despite the fact that in the nuclear conflict between China and the United States, the United States will deliver a nuclear strike against Russia as well.

            Not enough convolutions to understand such a simple thing?
        2. -3
          25 September 2021 15: 39
          Quote: Agent Cooper
          Do you think Russia will not receive a counter strike?

          And Russia, with what fright? belay
          1. -4
            25 September 2021 15: 44
            Quote: Seryoga64
            And Russia, with what fright?

            Americans may decide that since such a booze has gone, then everyone is dancing.
            1. -5
              25 September 2021 15: 46
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Americans may decide that since such a booze has gone, then everyone is dancing.

              What do the Americans have to do with it?
              The Chinese were going to strike a welcome blow
              And the former Permanent Representative of China to the UN urged Beijing to be ready to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States in connection with the expansion of anti-Chinese military infrastructure in the Pacific region.
              1. -1
                25 September 2021 15: 53
                Quote: Seryoga64
                What do the Americans have to do with it?
                The Chinese were going to strike a welcome blow

                SPRN.
                1. -6
                  25 September 2021 15: 56
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  SPRN.

                  Decipher please request
                  1. 0
                    25 September 2021 15: 57
                    Quote: Seryoga64
                    Decipher please

                    Missile attack warning system.
                    1. -2
                      25 September 2021 16: 23
                      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Missile attack warning system.

                      And what does it have to do with it?
                      We are talking about China's preemptive strike against the states.
                      What was the missile attack warning system dragged into?
                      They are not going to beat us
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2021 18: 30
                        He means that the US early warning system will be jammed with launch signals. In such an environment, it may very well happen that the States can also see launches from the Russian Federation, EVEN if they actually do not exist.
                        Either false targets or the nerves of the operators or something else will affect.
                        And the United States can give an order and fuck up the Russian Federation.

                        Several times in NukWar, ​​I made the same mistake in multiplayer missions.
                        And others were also mistaken in my presence. And they smashed each other to shreds, and then in the showdown chat "What the *** did you hit me?" "I saw multiple launches, went from your side, you thought" ... Well, something like that.
                        You see something flies, from where, what, how to figure it out for 5-10 minutes. And even knowing that this is just a game, you are stupid and mistaken, but in life this is God himself ordered :)
                        1. -1
                          25 September 2021 18: 48
                          Quote: Denis812
                          He means

                          Why not say it right away?
                          Here you have explained simply and intelligibly hi ... Why guess puzzles?
                          Not everyone can understand what's going on in someone else's head
                        2. +2
                          25 September 2021 18: 54
                          First, I said that this is my opinion, that HE meant it, but I hope I understood it correctly. :)
                          Secondly, he probably counted on a certain understanding of the topic by the persons participating in the discussion. It is not like a stone in your garden. I agree that it is better to explain my point. On the other hand, you know ... it's like talking about battles. :)
                          - "How did you get into the entrance?"
                          - Bumblebee
                          - A, clear. And what about Fedya?
                          - Petal.
                          - Clear

                          Something like that :)
                        3. -4
                          25 September 2021 18: 58
                          Quote: Denis812
                          First, I said that this is my opinion,

                          Right
                          Secondly, he probably counted on a certain understanding of the topic by the persons participating in the discussion.

                          Oh how. But I asked again. So it was possible to wash off the idea to voice
                          - "How did you get into the entrance?"
                          - Bumblebee
                          - A, clear. And what about Fedya?
                          - Petal.
                          - Clear

                          belay Riddles Again laughing
                        4. 0
                          25 September 2021 19: 27
                          You probably need to spend some time studying terminology and other things.
                          Otherwise it is sometimes difficult here. Although this is not even close to what was previously on vif2ne.ru
                          "Although I looked in the old days
                          To the Academic Dictionary. "(C) :)

                          I sincerely wish you success! Please contact if that. :)
                        5. -2
                          25 September 2021 20: 18
                          Quote: Denis812
                          You probably need to spend some time studying terminology and other things.

                          This is not terminology. This is slang and it is everywhere its own
                        6. 0
                          25 September 2021 20: 24
                          "Slang is a collection of words or new meanings of existing words used in various groups."
                          "Terminology - a set of terms used in a certain field of knowledge"
                          Do you really see any significant difference in this particular case? Seriously?

                          Or did you get hurt by my use of memories or something else?
                        7. -2
                          25 September 2021 20: 29
                          Quote: Denis812
                          Or did you get hurt by my use of memories or something else?

                          Nothing touched me
                          Do you really see any significant difference in this particular case?

                          Significant. Examples, mass
                          It's like a motor and an engine.
                          Like a top hat and a pot
                          Helicopter and papelac. Word from VO
                          Well and so on
                        8. 0
                          25 September 2021 20: 32
                          Well Ok, maybe you are closer to philology than I am.
                          what is pApelats, I really do not know, but I believe that you have this term or "slang"? there is an explanation.
                        9. -2
                          25 September 2021 20: 39
                          Quote: Denis812
                          what is papelac, I really don't know,

                          Appreciate your sense of humor, bye hi
                        10. 0
                          26 September 2021 12: 53
                          In the event of a full-scale nuclear war - no matter between China or Russia - the US will strike at both countries. No one will retarget missiles from Russia to China and vice versa in the remaining 25 minutes while the warheads are flying. China and Russia are geopolitical adversaries of the United States, so it is extremely illogical to deliver a fatal blow under one enemy while leaving the other (even if he did not start the first blow).

                          The idiot (otherwise it can not be called) who wrote in the very first commentary China to hurry up with this is simply not good at thinking about geopolitics.
                        11. -1
                          26 September 2021 13: 16
                          Quote: Agent Cooper
                          In the event of a full-scale nuclear war - no matter between China or Russia - the US will strike at both countries.

                          This is where they told you ?!
                          China states will chew and not choke, they will not survive the war with Russia
                          therefore, most likely they will notify that the launch in China in connection with the attack of the latter in the United States
                        12. 0
                          26 September 2021 18: 42
                          China states will chew and not choke, they will not survive the war with Russia

                          Well, now everything is very clear with your knowledge.
        3. +2
          25 September 2021 16: 47
          Quote: Agent Cooper
          What a stupid comment. Do you think Russia will not receive a counter strike?

          you would first study the terms and then write the posts
          1. -1
            26 September 2021 12: 58
            Enlighten me, o connoisseur of terms.
            1. -1
              26 September 2021 13: 14
              pay to teach, but in the meantime look for yourself what the term "counter strike" means
              1. 0
                26 September 2021 13: 22
                So you need to be taught. The article deals with a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States. Accordingly, the counter nuclear strike will be delivered by the United States.
                What is your GPA in your school certificate?

                PS
                https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B2%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9

                counter - which is a response to something, representing a response to a similar action.

                From you $ 5 for an educational program. Don't thank.
                1. -1
                  26 September 2021 13: 26
                  Quote: Agent Cooper
                  So you need to be taught. The article deals with a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States. Accordingly, the counter nuclear strike will be delivered by the United States.
                  What is your GPA in your school certificate?

                  believe more than you
                  What a stupid comment. Do you think Russia will not receive a counter strike?
                  this is your quote
                  and now explain how a counter strike can be delivered on the territory of the Russian Federation if the attack is carried out by China
                  ps the wiki link is very frank about your average score in the certificate
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2021 18: 38
                    To be clear, everything is as simple as 2 + 2. China is delivering a preemptive strike. As part of the counter strike, the United States is striking targets in Russia and China - its main geopolitical rivals. Is it so hard to understand?
                    1. -1
                      26 September 2021 19: 06
                      once again for tankers, if Russia does not deliver any strikes against the United States, then the United States cannot strike against Russia either, this will be unjustified aggression
                      do not know the terms sit in silence
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2021 20: 38
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        against the Russian Federation, this will be unjustified aggression

                        Ahaha. Good day, eksperd.
                        1. 0
                          26 September 2021 21: 02
                          Quote: Agent Cooper
                          Good day, eksperd.

                          hi
        4. 0
          25 September 2021 17: 20
          It seems that all the nuclear powers already have this kind of military doctrine.
        5. 0
          25 September 2021 17: 25
          Your comment is even dumber)).

          Russia is not going to participate in the showdown between China and the United States.
          1. 0
            25 September 2021 18: 31
            She may not. But it may well be necessary.
            The USSR, too, may not be going to participate in the showdown between Hitler and the WB.
            And you see how it turned out "fun".
          2. 0
            26 September 2021 13: 01
            Yeah, he'll stay in the bushes. The sect of menacing silencers, cunning planners and khataskrayniks is growing and expanding.
        6. 0
          25 September 2021 19: 57
          Quote: Agent Cooper
          What a stupid comment. Do you think Russia will not receive a counter strike?
          Did you understand what you wrote? smile
        7. 0
          26 September 2021 15: 45
          Quote: Agent Cooper
          What a stupid comment. Do you think Russia will not receive a counter strike?

          Counter strike? And the reason?))
          1. 0
            26 September 2021 19: 12
            How many fools in the comments who naively believe that once China will deliver a nuclear strike against the United States first, then Western countries will not attack Russia in retaliation.
            1. 0
              27 September 2021 11: 15
              Quote: Agent Cooper
              How many fools in the comments who naively believe that once China will deliver a nuclear strike against the United States first, then Western countries will not attack Russia in retaliation.

              Take a look in the mirror. That's right there.
              You insult everyone, but where are the arguments?
      2. +1
        25 September 2021 16: 56
        stop))))) no one is in a hurry))))) there is no need for implementation ... but in the defense doctrine of the PRC, it is possible to register the delivery of preventive nuclear strikes, and even the enemy on which these strikes will be delivered is not even necessary, but over ))))) And by the way, the Russian Federation to register partners as strategic opponents and the application of preventive strikes indicating the countries on which they will be inflicted is probably also TIME ..... To register and voice it aloud.
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 19: 36
          You are ... everything has already been written
          Military doctrine of the Russian Federation.
          12. Main external military hazards:
          a), ..... (NATO)


          What else should be written in more detail and in more detail? :)
          1. 0
            26 September 2021 14: 11
            you need to chew .. paint the sisters and earrings what exactly they will give to whom ... in order to estimate the size of the gift
            1. 0
              26 September 2021 14: 13
              What?
              It has already been indicated that all NATO countries are doomed in case of war.
              Or do YOU ​​want someone to write something like "New York - three warheads. Washington - two. London - three, Warsaw - one."
              But this is nonsense
              1. 0
                26 September 2021 14: 13
                nonsense))) but as advertising you can)))
      3. 0
        25 September 2021 20: 34
        Quote: Kapkan
        China is a great idea! Do not slow down with implementation.

        But the mattresses got wet in one place ... wassat
      4. 0
        27 September 2021 09: 58
        Only those countries will survive in the nuclear winter, the population of which learns to eat radioactive snow ❄!
    2. +5
      25 September 2021 15: 19
      The man says business ...
      Instead of mumbling a false mantra about "values".
      We must be ready to strike first. So that everyone knows, you can jump!
      And we, too, do not express our concerns, but also say something. By the way, it was not a rumor on Novaya Zemlya for a long time, but then we were better heard, with such a voice amplifier ...
      1. -1
        25 September 2021 15: 36
        That's right, now let the Americans think. In turn, Russia needs to support such statements in every possible way, but this will not happen because the children of our celestials do not live in the West.
      2. -1
        25 September 2021 16: 49
        Quote: faterdom
        We must be ready to strike first. So that everyone knows - you can jump!

        "The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened", - reported in the new edition of the doctrine.
        This warning is sufficient. However, any threat to the security of Russian citizens in any part of the world cannot be left unanswered, and it is time to approach obvious acts of aggression not from the standpoint of tomato traders and tour operators.
    3. -4
      25 September 2021 15: 20
      A pre-emptive strike can have TWO targets:
      - Destruction of the enemy, as such. This is a "multi-sphere" concept of the West.
      -the infliction of unacceptable damage to the enemy already at the initial stage of his aggression. What will force the leadership of the aggressor countries to abandon the continuation of the war.


    4. +5
      25 September 2021 15: 25
      This is healthy pragmatism. It sounds, of course, awful. But on mature reflection, we only have to accept the new reality. New global pre-war situation. Just yesterday I was instructed on the disadvantages for exactly the same logical conclusion about a future military conflict. And today, the Chinese permanent representative added two and two and gave the only correct answer.
      1. +2
        25 September 2021 15: 33
        Quote: Roma-1977
        And today, the Chinese permanent representative added two and two and gave the only correct answer.

        Not at all -
        former Permanent Representative of China to the UN
        1. +5
          25 September 2021 15: 49
          You're right. The diplomatic ethics of the actors does not allow making such frank statements out loud. But no one will forbid them to think so.
          1. -6
            25 September 2021 16: 07
            Quote: Roma-1977
            You're right. The diplomatic ethics of the actors does not allow making such frank statements out loud. But no one will forbid them to think so.

            here you are to the very point
            because a nuclear threat from an official is unacceptable
            this is a forbidden topic
            everyone understands that behind it is the mutual extermination of hundreds of millions of people
            that's why they made such a feint with the ears
            with a former bribe smooth
            as well as from forum hunters, however
            1. KCA
              0
              25 September 2021 16: 32
              Um, when they want to really hit, they don't trumpet about it to the whole world, but they quietly prepare
              1. -2
                25 September 2021 16: 37
                Quote: KCA
                Um, when they want to really hit, they don't trumpet about it to the whole world, but they quietly prepare

                especially when it comes to a warning strike
                but here the task was not to warn about a possible strike, but to remind the overseas partner how fragile the world is and how important it is not to play with a nuclear power
              2. 0
                25 September 2021 18: 32
                China has recently quietly begun building mines for an entire army of the Strategic Missile Forces. There were pictures. You skipped it? :)
            2. -2
              25 September 2021 16: 50
              Quote: Flood
              because a nuclear threat from an official is unacceptable
              this is a forbidden topic

              The out-of-print official has thrown off a non-binding escapade, but look at the headlines!
              "China Threatens First US Nuclear Strike Over AUKUS Alliance" (AIF)
              "China did not rule out the first nuclear strike on the United States because of AUKUS" (gazeta.ru)
              "Beijing urged to prepare for a nuclear strike on the United States" (rambler)
              etc.
              Remember the anecdote about the Pope's visit to France?
              At the gangway, a cunning journalist pushes her way to the Pope and asks:
              - Pontiff, what do you think of corrupt women?
              Dad thinks: "I will answer" bad "- he will be accused of intolerance, I will answer" good "- they will say that I popularize fornication ...." and answers carefully:
              - And what, are there corrupt women in France?
              Next day headline at Figaro:
              "The first question of the Pope in the land of Paris - Are there corrupt women in France?"
              ))
              1. -1
                25 September 2021 19: 49
                The out-of-print official has thrown off a non-binding escapade, but look at the headlines!


                Duc, when the French military pensioners wrote something there, they also discussed the inevitability of a military coup for a month.
                Now they have forgotten, but I am amazed at the ability of the audience to eat absolutely any game that is fed to it.
      2. -7
        25 September 2021 15: 42
        Quote: Roma-1977
        This is healthy pragmatism. It sounds, of course, awful

        as terrible as its consequences
        as the concept of a preemptive strike is opposed to the concept of a guaranteed retaliatory strike
        what do you only think, humans?
        1. +3
          25 September 2021 15: 47
          We think we are people sentenced to destruction. You can resign yourself and quietly disappear, or you can resist.
          1. -5
            25 September 2021 15: 53
            Quote: Roma-1977
            We think we are people sentenced to destruction. You can resign yourself and quietly disappear, or you can resist.

            no one calls for non-resistance
            and I do not consider humanity condemned at all, unlike you
            we are talking about something else
            stay human until the end
            even in the most difficult situation
            and what are we seeing here in the cozy couch internet community?
            Quote: Kapkan
            China is a great idea! Do not slow down with implementation.

            is it degradation, infantilism?
            what is it?
            1. +2
              25 September 2021 16: 08
              Fatalism. So what to do?
          2. bar
            0
            25 September 2021 15: 58

            How to finish you off at once or do you want to suffer?
        2. 0
          25 September 2021 18: 34
          If we know that we will not be able to provide a counter strike or a retaliatory strike, then a preventive one is absolutely logical and the only solution.
          What's wrong?
          1. -4
            25 September 2021 18: 38
            Quote: Denis812
            If we know we cannot provide a counter strike or a counter strike

            how do you know this, if a guaranteed retaliatory strike with unacceptable damage has always been the main deterrent?

            Hence, the inevitable conclusion follows that in response to a preemptive nuclear strike, given the political will of the enemy, a retaliatory strike will follow.

            the only thing you can count on is that the enemy will be afraid of the consequences and will not trade. although before that he had been preparing for the opposite for decades. and the entire nuclear arsenal will remain hanging like a sword of Damocles.
            1. +1
              25 September 2021 18: 48
              Once again - I'm talking about the situation
              "If we know we cannot provide"

              If, for example, the Chinese know that after a US strike they will be able to respond very weakly or not at all, then yes, a preemptive strike is the right decision.

              Yes, of course, a preemptive strike can (and should) be followed by a response from the enemy.
              But it is better to try to inflict unacceptable damage on this very enemy, if you are already sure that after his strike, you will not be able to do this 100%.

              The leadership of the Russian Federation and the United States has some confidence that after a preemptive strike by the enemy, they will be able to respond with a devastating retaliation strike. Apparently, the Chinese do not have such confidence yet.

              Quote: Flood
              the entire nuclear arsenal will remain hanging like a sword of Damocles.

              Except for two cases in which the United States is guilty. But I suppose these cases were outside the scope of your statement.
              1. -1
                25 September 2021 19: 22
                Quote: Denis812
                then yes, a preemptive strike is the right decision.

                What, nafig, "preventive" ??? What is prevention? Whom and what are the Chinese anticipating? Yankees threaten China with nuclear war or what? Some silly euphemism. Why flirt - well, say so - the former diplomat suggested unleashing a nuclear war. Without any grimaces about prevention.
                1. +1
                  25 September 2021 19: 33
                  I, probably, do not quite clearly explain. Although their former permanent representative seemed to clearly say, and I'm just chewing :)
                  The Chinese say that the creation of a new military bloc is a direct and clear threat to China.
                  The Chinese say that in such a situation, they will not sit unanswered and their possible solution is to strengthen their armed forces and migrate to use a preemptive strike against the countries of the new bloc and their allies.
                  What's not clear here?

                  Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                  a former diplomat proposed to unleash a nuclear war

                  No. The former diplomat said that due to the actions of the United States and its allies, China could launch a preemptive nuclear strike. He never suggested starting a war anywhere. He said that China now sees this action (preemptive strike) as a likely solution.
                  That's all.
                  If earlier the Yankees and others thought that it was far from the use of nuclear weapons, now it has become much closer.
                  The blame for the escalation is entirely on the United States and its associates.
                  1. 0
                    25 September 2021 19: 37
                    Sorry for God's sake for mistakes in the text, I switched to a new keyboard, I still don't always hit the buttons :)
                  2. -2
                    25 September 2021 19: 56
                    Former diplomat said that due to the actions of the United States and its allies, China could launch a preemptive nuclear strike


                    So this is commonplace. Any country is always defending itself, it is always “forced”, and so on.

                    Attempts to portray the United States as such a doctor. Evil gives off the infantilism of the Soviet spill.
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2021 20: 00
                      The USA is not Dr. Evil at all.
                      It's just a country that controls most of the world.
                      Which should not be in the opinion of some other countries, such as Russia, China, Iran, Cuba.
                      Many others who disagree with the role of the United States cannot say it out loud due to addiction. Like Germany, France and others.
                      So the United States shouldn't be called Doctor Evil.
                      The United States is a successful power that will either share power without war, or there will be such a struggle for peace that it is not a fact that someone will survive.
                      There's no Doctor Evil here. :)
                      1. -4
                        25 September 2021 20: 06
                        It's just a country that controls most of the world.


                        I agree.

                        Which should not be in the opinion of some other countries, such as Russia, China, Iran, Cuba.


                        Agree

                        The United States is a successful power that will either share power without war, or there will be such a struggle for peace that it is not a fact that someone will survive.
                        There's no Doctor Evil here. :)


                        So you understand that politics is a squabble between predators. Therefore, why is one of these predators worse for you than the rest?


                        Is it important for a sheep (this is not about you personally) which of the wolves will bite it?
                        1. 0
                          25 September 2021 20: 09
                          Well, if you have already chosen such an allegorical language, I will try to express myself in your style:
                          "Because I swore allegiance to one of the predators and I dare to feel myself in his flock.
                          And therefore, I have a direct interest to the death of a predator other than mine. "
                        2. -2
                          25 September 2021 20: 23
                          Heh, it's so important for you to belong to the pack, funny).

                          But in general, I understand this position.
                        3. 0
                          26 September 2021 14: 19
                          Are you not a part of some kind of society?
                          I'm a citizen of the Russian Federation, and you? Do you consider yourself to be indebted to anyone?
                          And the flock - sounded from you. You have chosen this allegorical language, I do not know why.
                        4. -2
                          26 September 2021 18: 33
                          Who do you owe? Well, yes, taxes, compliance with the law.
                          Actually, this is where your responsibilities to society end.

                          And yes, the predator is not part of society. Society is a fodder base, not a partner.
                  3. -1
                    25 September 2021 20: 14
                    Quote: Denis812
                    No. The former diplomat said that due to the actions of the United States and its allies, China could launch a preemptive nuclear strike.

                    He said that China should reconsider its doctrine - it should include the possibility of a "preemptive" strike. This is, for a moment, banal nuclear blackmail and rather aggressive rhetoric. I understand, of course, that many here in vain expect something like this from some dementy pensioner from Smolenka ... a veteran, so to speak, of the diplomatic front, who, when he was an acting diplomat, was forced to be a parquet shaker with a fig in his pocket, and here - the retired province went to dance. You are not responsible for anything, you do not influence anything, you give free rein to old phobias - if anything, everything will be blamed on senile impulsiveness and passion for fatty foods. Such an aged bastard would be in great demand for a certain passionate audience - do you agree?
                    Quote: Denis812
                    If earlier the Yankees and others thought that it was far from the use of nuclear weapons, now it has become much closer.

                    It was gone. China wants to dominate the Asia-Pacific region and, out of some fright, decided that it would string its "pearl necklaces" with impunity? It would be strange if no attempts were made to stop its expansion with new blocks.
                    The withering hegemon does not want to give up positions to the new mother of the hill, so what is surprising? China will present many unpleasant surprises in the not too distant future. And we, by the way, including.
                    1. 0
                      25 September 2021 20: 21
                      He said that China should reconsider its doctrine - it should include the possibility of a "preemptive" strike

                      Yes exactly.
                      banal nuclear blackmail and rather aggressive rhetoric

                      Is it? The United States and Great Britain in their military doctrine directly point to the use of nuclear weapons first. Why is this becoming blackmail and aggression in China?

                      About all sorts of elderly ukhari, etc. - I do not quite understand you. Closer to the facts, please.

                      China wants to dominate the Asia-Pacific region

                      Yes, he does. And the United States wants to. And many more.

                      It would be strange if they did not try to stop its expansion with new blocks.

                      So China also says - well, OK, you create new blocks. And we will do this. What's the problem?

                      China will present many unpleasant surprises in the not too distant future. And we, by the way, including

                      100%. China to us, we to China, the United States to everyone, the EU to anyone, probably. Someone - someone.
                      Ну и что?
                      1. 0
                        25 September 2021 21: 16
                        Quote: Denis812
                        So China also says - well, OK, you create new blocks. And we will do this. What's the problem?

                        In symmetry. "And we will do this" - for a minute, a rather ridiculous threat to "bang."
                        Quote: Denis812
                        Ну и что?
                        Nothing, actually. I also don’t understand why everyone did a stand on some kind of application from an ex-official. This is just rhetoric in the style of "a shoe on the podium" - and nothing more. In the coordinate system of great powers, conventionally great and imitating greatness, the concept of good and evil is completely blurred. These concepts are a cargo cult for the second-rate from the Third World. China is a threat and an active remixer of the world. And here everyone is dreaming of some kind of alliance with him "to be friends against America." Funny people.
                        1. 0
                          25 September 2021 21: 26
                          In symmetry. "And we will do this" - for a minute, a rather ridiculous threat to "bang."

                          So he did just that. You don't understand, do you? He said that now we will be ready to bang first. Like you.
                          So where is the aggression? The Chinese finally realized that aggression always comes from the West. We understood this well under the Swedes and under the French and under the Germans.
                          And by the way, where did it come from to China? Ah, bad luck - from the West. Opium Wars and stuff. Well, you remember. The mouse's tears will flow to the cat ...

                          China is a threat and an active remixer of the world.

                          for God's sake. Let him do it. Let Taiwan take it, and for us Nikolaev, for example. What is not lovely?

                          about some kind of alliance with him "to be friends against America." Funny people.

                          Pfff ... you can't be friends with them unless you have his head at gunpoint.
                          Let China tear everyone there.
                        2. 0
                          26 September 2021 11: 21
                          Quote: Denis812
                          The Chinese finally realized that aggression always comes from the West.

                          It is their own fault - it was not necessary to abandon expansionism in the 16th century, burn your fleet and collapse into autarky for 300 years - now half of the world would speak Mandarin. laughing
                          Quote: Denis812
                          So where is the aggression?

                          In hit first rhetoric.
                          Quote: Denis812
                          for God's sake. Let him do it.

                          of course, so be it. The world is sick of static.
                          Quote: Denis812
                          and us Nikolaev,

                          Why do you need Nikolaev? Does it just itch slightly?
                          Quote: Denis812
                          Let China tear everyone there.

                          Will not break.
                        3. 0
                          26 September 2021 12: 26
                          In hit first rhetoric.

                          Once again, China has just now uttered through the mouth of a former diplomat what is recorded in the official documents of the United States and the World Bank. So it is the United States and the World Bank - the aggressors. And China is only reacting.

                          Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                          Will not break.

                          Maybe it won't break. But life will definitely spoil and weaken them. What we need. I am not at all against the death of hundreds of millions of Chinese and Westerners. Let them kill each other.
                          For example, the seizure of Taiwan by China would be a very wonderful thing.
                          After that, the Chinese would also recognize Crimea as our part.
    5. +3
      25 September 2021 15: 32
      ***
      “If a fight is inevitable, you must hit first” ...
      ---
      Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
      ***
      1. +1
        25 September 2021 18: 44
        Absolutely right.
        My fire instructor told me the same thing. "He pulled out a barrel - shoot. And always to kill. Into the air and then you can shoot." :)
        1. +1
          25 September 2021 19: 35
          He pulled out a barrel - shoot. And always to defeat. Into the air and then you can shoot

          Apparently, you were instructed for a long time. A bullet from a body fired from a cold barrel can now in most cases be distinguished from a bullet fired after. That is, it is very difficult to disguise a shot to kill as a warning shot and vice versa.
          1. +1
            25 September 2021 19: 46
            It's nice to chat with a knowledgeable person.
            Unfortunately, you are right, I fired with the same instructor in the 97th-99th years. And his lessons to me in the same 99th and 00 years in the southern places saved my life.
            But my teachers were good in forensic science.
            And yes, here you are again right - of course, in addition to the ballistic properties of cold vs hot, some other parameters of the ammunition also change.
            BUT! Do not forget that fortunately there is such a thing as the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, which tells us that irreparable doubts are interpreted in favor of the accused.
            And if the opera, after knocking out the brain, fires an utyrku into the air, once and then declares that first he fired into the air, and only then into the body of the one whom he tried in vain to force to throw the barrel, then Themis in 99% of cases will side with the cop.
            For the prosecutor will lead the examination, and I will give a vidocq, who heard two shots and the hell knows which one was in the body and which one was in the air. And here they are. And here they are - my words.
            And the difference is even half a minute ... well, OK. Fatal doubt ... remember? :)
    6. Hog
      0
      25 September 2021 15: 39
      Someone needs a new batch of diapers)
    7. +9
      25 September 2021 15: 39
      Here I have two remarks, the first is when the United States and Co. openly and brazenly threaten everyone who is not pleasing, is it considered normal? And second, when the US and Co. openly and insolently began to "press" Russia something, China was silent, and did not speak about the violation of the balance of power and other international law, and now Beijing is concerned.
      1. +2
        25 September 2021 15: 59
        Quote: Murmur 55
        Here I have two remarks, the first is when the United States and Co. openly and brazenly threaten everyone who is not pleasing, is it considered normal? And second, when the US and Co. openly and insolently began to "press" Russia something, China was silent, and did not speak about the violation of the balance of power and other international law, and now Beijing is concerned.


        When the USSR - the USA dealt with the deployment of Yabch missiles in Turkey.
        In response, the USSR was going to deploy missiles in Cuba. There was an exacerbation, the missiles were not placed in Cuba, they were removed from Turkey.

        Now the situation is similar, the submarines will use a power plant with enriched uranium. How is the US going to supply the boats / technologies for their construction to Australia so that there would be no violation of the nonproliferation treaty?

        Unclear.
        Those. Australia and the United States have already violated this agreement because agreed on actions as a result of which Australia will have enriched uranium and some technologies for its use.

        Previously, a similar situation led to the Cuban missile crisis. Therefore, it seems clear that China is determined.

        If the United States convenes the Security Council on this issue. Then both China and Russia and France will raise questions about the deal with Australia to the United States and the United States, as it were, in an interesting situation that they will need to justify themselves.
        1. 0
          26 September 2021 11: 34
          Quote: Pandiurin
          the submarines will use an enriched uranium power plant.

          So what? Since when did a highly enriched uranium nuclear power plant suddenly become a weapon? The Australians will be thrown reactors at the Chinese?
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Then both China and Russia and France will bring questions about the deal with Australia to the United States

          And what will France present? That Australia terminated the contract? Since when has the UN acquired the functions of commercial arbitration?
          Quote: Pandiurin
          The United States will be in an interesting situation, as it were, and it will need to justify itself.

          Why should they justify themselves? What is nuclear power being promoted?
    8. +3
      25 September 2021 15: 51
      In Britain:

      China openly threatens with nuclear weapons. This cannot be left unanswered

      And when you, together with Australia and the United States, created an alliance against China, then you did not think about it ???
      And when China answered, the Wishlist immediately fell ill, they began to howl in three throats.
    9. bar
      +3
      25 September 2021 15: 54
      The West responds to the call of the Chinese diplomat for Beijing to be ready for a preemptive nuclear strike on the United States

      Why are they excited? It's from them on the opposite side of the globe.
    10. 0
      25 September 2021 16: 33
      In the Western press, such words of the Chinese diplomat were regarded as "the threat of the outbreak of the Third World War."

      Well, why so immediately, you can still swallow and wipe yourself. Further - peace to the world.
    11. +2
      25 September 2021 16: 44
      In the West, they say that in connection with such statements by the Chinese diplomat, it is necessary to insist on an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council

      And watch your bazaar, poorly? If every time they come running into Russia, they would collect this Security Council, they would not get out of this UN. So they would have lived there ...
    12. +1
      25 September 2021 16: 45
      Well, first of all, YABCH is still not enough.
      And secondly, why destroy your sales market.
    13. -1
      25 September 2021 16: 46
      well done Chinese do not chew differences from the Russian Federation! the United States can attack with nuclear weapons and the RF current during the defense! that is, it immediately puts the Russian Federation at a disadvantage!
    14. 0
      25 September 2021 16: 50
      These are the Americans! They came up with it themselves, they believed it!
    15. -1
      25 September 2021 16: 50
      5 years ago, someone on this site wrote, first there will be a war between China and the United States, a war between the Russian Federation and China and the United States)))
    16. -1
      25 September 2021 17: 10
      Japanese-style screams ...
    17. -6
      25 September 2021 17: 17


      Eh, what are you, Japanese mom, have you beguiled the Ramses? Forgot who keeps the bump in the area?
    18. +4
      25 September 2021 17: 43
      The normal reaction of the Chinese. The Anglo-Saxons thought that after the creation of AUKUS, the Chinese should crawl to them on all fours for negotiations? And after the one who was most indignant, it is clear who the initiator of this union is.
    19. -1
      25 September 2021 18: 13
      Who will go to war with the United States? Will there be a queue at the military registration and enlistment offices?
    20. -1
      25 September 2021 18: 34
      Maybe then and China sell a dozen sets from the picture in the DPRK? Exclusively of course to protect against evil kangaroos.
    21. 0
      25 September 2021 18: 40
      Whoever remembers the "Last Chinese Warning" idiom?
      In fact, the Chinese are not going to take any real steps capable of undermining the military-political dominance of the United States and causing real discontent in the United States and Europe with the PRC's foreign policy. China is limited to threats and retaliatory economic sanctions!
      1. -1
        25 September 2021 19: 00
        and the economic sanctions are rather strange. For example, I don’t remember any restrictions on the supply of something made in China to the United States or the EU.
        Banned 7 senators from entering China. Haha PPC.
        It's like the EU prohibits the deputy head of the FSB from entering the EU :)
        They wanted to spit on it.
        1. AML
          +1
          26 September 2021 08: 32
          Huawei to help you
          1. 0
            26 September 2021 12: 27
            And what about Huawei? These are US sanctions against China, and not vice versa :) Look at what comment I answered :)
            So far, it is China that is not giving back.
    22. +3
      25 September 2021 20: 14
      Quote: Flood
      Quote: Ros 56
      Don't go too far

      I think so too
      do not bend you too
      I am not satisfied with many things in this unfair world
      but I will never welcome the annihilation of millions of people
      even if they are citizens of an unfriendly country
      don't make excuses for bad behavior

      That is, when the Obloma administration was developing a massive strike (albeit not nuclear) of the Kyrgyz Republic on key objects of the Russian Federation, then all this is normal and hurt? The main thing is that tugriks in your pocket ring and pivas in the refrigerator ??
    23. +1
      25 September 2021 21: 24
      That is, to secretly threaten like "AUSUS to your left", this is normal - the "logic" of the "highlike" level ..
    24. +8
      25 September 2021 22: 38
      China does not like to joke
    25. +2
      26 September 2021 02: 35
      Chinese comrades! We kindly ask you not to touch the Royal Family and the redhead personally. Then, when everything is over, exhibits will be needed for a touching zoo.
    26. +2
      26 September 2021 04: 03
      Incredibly, due to the unpredictability of the US foreign policy, such stupidity is quite possible ... to throw the nuclear loaf aside "accidentally" ..
    27. 0
      26 September 2021 08: 12
      If you have an itch, then scratch it elsewhere - Chernomyrdin. This was not said by the current one, but by the former. Perhaps he was instructed to say this, all directed at the sofa audience. Who wants something spicy. And when it comes to a serious matter .... There is no need for China to change its relations with the United States. Half a trillion dollars goes to China's treasury. We have worse relations with the United States than China. It should be borne in mind that bright statements are always at the heart of Chinese diplomacy.
      1. 0
        26 September 2021 13: 31
        The Chinese do not scratch the "couch audience". They have a different way of forming power, so there is no need to blow suckers in the ears. Former, yes. From the current one, this would mean a declaration of war. So YET ex.
        1. 0
          26 September 2021 16: 00
          Michael. Preemptive strike. And I want to, and inject. There are great temptations, but even more risks. It is a big delusion that whoever delivers this blow will decide the result of the war in his favor. This was understood in the twentieth century, but not now. And there is stupid talk about a fleeting war. If we take the First and Second World Wars, then their duration only increased, although technology progressed.
          1. 0
            27 September 2021 10: 53
            You are not talking about what happened, but voicing some of your thoughts. The Chinese have declared that they are equal to the United States in military matters too. That's all for now. When it comes to a blow, it is applied, and not talked about)
    28. 0
      26 September 2021 10: 41
      Quote: Seryoga64
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Americans may decide that since such a booze has gone, then everyone is dancing.

      What do the Americans have to do with it?
      The Chinese were going to strike a welcome blow
      And the former Permanent Representative of China to the UN urged Beijing to be ready to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States in connection with the expansion of anti-Chinese military infrastructure in the Pacific region.

      And the Americans will remain silent and will not whip around China to everyone that flies?
      And now part of the flying one will fly to Russia. It's stupid not to see Russian rockets falling from the sky on all sorts of New Yorkers in a couple of days
    29. 0
      26 September 2021 12: 32
      it's probably just a provocation, a signal from Australia, Japan and South Korea. Show that there are supporters of the use of nuclear weapons in China and, in general, that the Chinese are determined. It is now difficult to threaten the United States with a preemptive strike against China, given the number of carriers and nuclear weapons in China in comparison with the United States.
    30. AML
      0
      26 September 2021 12: 47
      Quote: Denis812
      And what about Huawei? These are US sanctions against China, and not vice versa :) Look at what comment I answered :)
      So far, it is China that is not giving back.


      China backtracks all the way, undervaluing the yuan.
      1. 0
        26 September 2021 12: 58
        We talked about sanctions. There are practically no sanctions from China against the United States.
        Don't juggle :)
    31. 0
      26 September 2021 13: 29
      The Chinese feel strong enough to stand on a par with the United States, which is allowing itself a preemptive nuclear strike. One can only envy.
    32. AML
      0
      26 September 2021 15: 11
      Quote: Denis812
      We talked about sanctions. There are practically no sanctions from China against the United States.
      Don't juggle :)

      And I'm not jerking. If it was about other countries, you would be right. But, with regards to the couple we are interested in, things are exactly like that. Because of this, the so-called "trade war" began, as a result of which duties were imposed on US imports by 70 billion per year.

      + warships and planes are prohibited from entering hong kong + big ban on a bunch of American "human rights" organizations.
    33. 0
      26 September 2021 18: 52
      the Englishwoman shit.
    34. 0
      26 September 2021 21: 21
      Does China have many missiles capable of reaching the United States? THAAD in Japan and South Korea will soften the blow, the rest will finish off the US mainland missile defense.
    35. AML
      -1
      26 September 2021 23: 15
      Quote: vindigo
      Does China have many missiles capable of reaching the United States? THAAD in Japan and South Korea will soften the blow, the rest will finish off the US mainland missile defense.

      Do you really think that they need to fight the United States? It is enough for them to stop trading with the United States and nationalize the property of American companies located on their territory. The United States dug itself a hole for itself, from which Trump tried to pull them, but they decided that the projection of force was enough. Especially my IMHO, that until the United States regains its production potential, they should not rock the boat in the direction of China. The deficit of trade between the United States and China is 300-400 billion a year.

      You can say a lot about the fact that the US has high-tech industries and all that. The only question is where they will shove their A10 proc if China takes their capacity? Especially sad, I advise you to read the book of the director of Intel about how they lost the memory market to the Japanese.

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