The post-truth era: new reasons for war

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Lies for good and vice versa


Manipulations of public consciousness have existed at all times. Now it is the so-called "post-truth", which forms perception not on the basis of objective facts, but on the basis of emotions and personal beliefs.

The term itself appeared in the early 90s of the last century in connection with the American operation "Desert Storm". Previously, it was simply called propaganda.



Nowadays, when all the information space is occupied by social networks and Internet resources, post-truth is of particular importance. She is able to influence the processes of a strategic scale.

Any strategic event can become a pretext for a war - first of all, a cold one and, most likely, result in a real armed confrontation.

Retired British General Adrian Bradshaw was one of the first to pronounce this maxim:

"Fake" news, cyber hacks and political influence against one of the NATO countries can be regarded as an act of aggression against the entire alliance. "

Later, Bradshaw's words were confirmed by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who said that cyberattacks against members of the North Atlantic Alliance could be considered a pretext for a real, quite tangible war. To the extent that NATO will in such cases seriously consider the application of the fifth article, which provides for an organized response of the entire alliance to an attack on one of the member states.

NATO has long understood all the delights of cyber warfare and information warfare. The main advantage of such methods is the complete unprovability of an act of aggression.

We have already seen more than once the development of techniques, a kind of "exercise" in the examples of the US presidential elections, in which Russia was among the accused. The logic is simple - if something goes wrong for the upper establishment (Trump's victory), the easiest way is to blame an overseas enemy.

Firstly, this largely reduces the responsibility for the failure, and secondly, once again incites the electorate against opponents. It was decided not to mention that there is no direct evidence of Russian interference in the American elections. We have before us a typical example of the spread of post-truth in the information field of the Internet.

Over the decades, a typical portrait of a consumer of “inferior truth” has been formed on the Internet. First of all, this is a person who respects various exclusive investigations and "leaks" of information. Facts do not play a decisive role here, the most important is the emotionality of presentation and the shock effect.

For example, in 2018, The Times of London spoke in all seriousness about 75 Kremlin informers in the British capital. Sixty years ago, no one in their right mind would have endured such an outspoken duck outside the reading room. Now users of social networks in a couple of clicks release the information genie to freedom.

Reposts and likes make fake news quite real, and within a few hours they are talking about it all over the UK, and after a few days - all over the world.

The almost complete absence of filters in social networks and search engines also plays into the hands of post-truth. However, the lack of critical thinking in the minds of users and populism are also fertile ground for manipulation.

Anti-intellectualism seems to be our future.

The grim future of post-truth


The Internet space has overturned the logic of interaction between media and readers.

Previously, it was mainly one-way communication - the user perceived what was written without the ability to comment publicly.

Now visitors can not only support the information, but also refute, providing irrefutable "proofs". At the same time, under the alleged "facts" are usually signed either by anonymous, or generally fake characters.

This problem is especially acute in social networks.

Examples are common: the Telegram channel NEXTA last year, during the protests, published a video with a five-year-old girl who was beaten up by the Belarusian riot police in Grodno. The shocking content immediately spread all over the world. The girl was really unlucky, but she received injuries as a result of an accident.

The task has been completed - the emotional background has been created, and the protest wave in Belarus has received new fuel. Fake creativity on the web is gradually being automated - a lot of content is needed, and sometimes there is not enough human resources. The so-called bots not only put likes and repost materials, increasing its ratings, but also create fake pages, adjust information to the interests of the majority, and successfully mimic real personalities.

At the top of the post-truth pyramid are artificial intelligence technologies coupled with "deep fakes" (deepfake). Nobody here at all knows what to do with this good, they can have such a serious impact on the masses.

The ability to synthesize very real video images of famous personalities alarms politicians around the world.

There is nothing impossible about creating a video of simulated American military personnel burning the Koran, or how a simulated Israeli prime minister discusses plans to annihilate Iran's political elite. This, by the way, is not the author's inventions, but the fantasies of the Foreign Affairs publication.

On our own behalf, we add that it is also easy and natural to fabricate evidence from surveillance cameras - people can be where they have never been.

This is why, in 2018, several congressmen asked the Director of National Intelligence to assess the potential of false audio, video, and photographic images.

A year later, the House Intelligence Committee launched a massive program

"Examining the threats to national security posed by fake AI-enabled content, how to detect and combat it, and defining the role of governments, the private sector and society at large in confronting the potentially grim future of post-truth."

From all this crystallizes the main thesis: who will manage the entire "factory of fakes" - he will have the keys to the whole world in his pocket.

Trying to define rules


In the XNUMXth century, the nuclear race came to the fore - countries that managed to protect themselves weapons mass destruction, still in a privileged position.

In the XNUMXst century, you will not surprise anyone with an atomic bomb, but it is quite possible to impress with developed cybernetic weapons. The fact that the uncontrolled use of such technologies could become another Gleiwitz incident, which became a formal reason for the Second World War, is no longer a secret to anyone.

If Stoltenberg himself mentions cyberattacks as a reason for the application of the fifth article of the NATO charter, then who prevents third states from fomenting a US / NATO war with Russia?

Or who will prevent the North Atlantic Alliance, for example, from creating a cyber casus belli?

Until now, there are no full-fledged tools for tracking and fixing hacker attacks, cybercrimes and information injections. And if there is no control technique, then everything is possible.

In this regard, the reaction of the United States to the initiative of Vladimir Putin to create an international structure for information security looks very ambiguous. The New York Times cites the response of US Assistant Attorney General for National Security John Demers, who called the idea "cynical and cheap propaganda."

Such harsh rhetoric says one thing - Washington feels invulnerable in this stories.

When the situation really pressed, the United States willingly went to the reduction of nuclear weapons. And now any compromise is perceived as weakness, and not a manifestation of goodwill. And there is every reason for this - since 2018, Washington and London have been united by the "Cognitive Strategy" aimed against Russian statehood.

It seems that the West has finally mastered the rules of war in social networks and information platforms.

As part of the strategy, an extensive staff of various commentators and experts united by anti-Russian content is being created. The levers of influence of Western structures in Russia are known - these are various non-profit foundations that receive appropriate grants, and committed journalists, to whom new opinion leaders - bloggers have recently been added.

In such a situation, Russia has to either try to resist internal filtering of content through stigmatization of heralds of Western propaganda (cases of "foreign agents"), or try to establish clear rules of the game at the international level.

While everything is relatively good with the first one, the second initiative is frankly stalling.
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  1. +5
    28 September 2021 15: 07
    NATO has long understood all the delights of cyber warfare and information warfare. The main advantage of such methods is the complete unprovability of an act of aggression.
    .... and complete impunity.
    1. +8
      28 September 2021 15: 25
      The biggest fake was launched by the United States in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova ... convincing the population that they live in free, democratic, independent and developed states! laughing
      1. +2
        28 September 2021 16: 01
        Quote: Finches
        The biggest fake was launched by the United States in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova ... convincing the population that they live in free, democratic, independent and developed states! laughing

        And also convinced that, if anything ---- they, the states, immediately come to the rescue! wassat laughing will immediately provide support. Yes, and the entire democratic community will be a mountain for them
        1. +2
          28 September 2021 17: 45
          The worst part is that it changes people. Fraudsters ring the phones, weigh them in stores, manufacturers cheat, the authorities ..., On the Internet, fakes every other time, bots ... And the result is mental disorders and pathological distrust of everyone. Although our people, for example, have always been distinguished by compassion for their neighbors and were ready to give their last for help.
          And it hurts the most in the world today
          1. -1
            28 September 2021 18: 07
            .... in stores they weigh ...
            .??unclear recourse After all, everywhere there are packages with the indicated weight .... do you really outweigh? It didn't occur to me request ...interesting.
            1. +2
              28 September 2021 18: 21
              Literally the day before yesterday I found out that in Pyaterochka, we have, according to the control weights, 100 grams underweight from the scales at the checkout is + -18 grams. By simple calculations, we get 18% of the weight of the product. This, of course, is not a packaged product, but by weight (sweets, cookies, etc.)
              Director, in response to my objections to this, she ran, weighed the goods .... and took away the checkweigher, saying that they were broken. laughing
              And about the packaged ... In Lenta, their packaging (cheeses, sausages, etc.) on substrates, also caught on a body kit up to 20%
              1. +1
                28 September 2021 18: 40
                wassat lol then you have to take it without a backing ... laughing and then weigh it.
                But ..... products from an online store, I wonder how? They have already been delivered home ....
      2. +1
        28 September 2021 17: 25
        Quote: Finches
        The biggest fake was launched by the United States in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova ... convincing the population that they live in free, democratic, independent and developed states!

        Even Hitler in Germany could not completely fool the people like that.
        1. +1
          28 September 2021 17: 49
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Even Hitler in Germany could not completely fool the people like that.

          Then, in order to fool people, they had to get there, drag the radio, throw off the leaflets. And now around the clock and all year round
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 17: 56
            Quote: Mitroha
            Then, in order to fool people, they had to get there, drag the radio, throw off the leaflets.

            Then there was a more powerful means "living word", when the "aces" of the orator's word acted at rallies and processions, they came closer to the person, and around the crowd (and not a lone user of networks). And it is a crowd without brains, but every single person in it absorbs all words and gestures like sponges.
            And the trouble of a modern person is that he is alone with a computer or smartphone. People have lost the habit of human communication, and this is where degradation begins.
      3. 0
        1 October 2021 19: 25
        IMHO, any adequate (of which the majority) Ukrainian, Georgian, Moldovan, Russian, American, German have already insisted these games, who is more democratic, who has better hypersound, etc. etc.
    2. -2
      28 September 2021 20: 33
      Hello land!
      Russia still boasts of its ability to respond asymmetrically, so let's go ahead! See Hollywood!
      With the help of satellites, we will turn off TV broadcasting on the balls and scroll through our video on any plot.
      Forward! And together with placing a link to the RT website, repeat it again and add a live line, depending on the country of the caller. It's that simple! But maybe someone in the Russian Federation does not want this? Well, is there another question?
  2. +1
    28 September 2021 15: 11
    From all this crystallizes the main thesis: who will manage the entire "factory of fakes" - he will have the keys to the whole world in his pocket.
    And the largest "fake factory" is located in the United States.
    1. +9
      28 September 2021 15: 26
      Many people in the world allow themselves to be deceived, and do not bother much in search of the truth. Because the truth is like a litmus paper or a thermometer that shows how painful and infected society is with certain processes.
    2. 0
      1 October 2021 19: 30
      We have a little less, there is something to strive for
  3. +7
    28 September 2021 15: 22
    A couple of years ago, Israel launched an airstrike against Hamas headquarters in response to a cyberattack.
    According to the supposed "office" of the hackers.
    This is the first bell ...
  4. +13
    28 September 2021 15: 26
    under the alleged "facts" are usually signed either by anonymous or generally fake characters. This problem is especially acute in social networks.
    1. +2
      28 September 2021 15: 42
      And on the poster - the Chinese!
      1. +1
        28 September 2021 17: 34
        And on the poster - the Chinese!
        About this and speech in the article good
  5. +7
    28 September 2021 15: 27
    Bradshaw's words were confirmed by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who said that cyberattacks against members of the North Atlantic Alliance can be considered a pretext for a real, quite tangible war.

    You are to blame for that
    what I want to eat ...
    I.A. Krylov, a long time ago
  6. +2
    28 September 2021 15: 29
    Jens Stoltenberg, who said that cyberattacks against members of the North Atlantic Alliance can be considered a pretext for a real, quite tangible war.

    If we use this logic, then any cyberattack against Russia gives the latter the right to strike at NATO targets?
    It is not clear what we are waiting for?
    1. +2
      28 September 2021 15: 41
      Quote: prior
      If we use this logic, then any cyberattack against Russia gives the latter the right to strike at NATO targets?
      It is not clear what we are waiting for?

      The Russians never attacked first! Do we need a war? NO! And we know how to wait.
      1. +3
        28 September 2021 15: 45
        Well, never.
        War with Finland. War with Japan (1945)
        Iranian campaign. Afghanistan. And this is only on the surface.
      2. +2
        28 September 2021 18: 57
        Quote: Egoza
        The Russians never attacked first!

        Learn the story.
    2. +3
      28 September 2021 19: 36
      Quote: prior
      It is not clear what we are waiting for?

      Perhaps more children and wives have not left there wassat
  7. +2
    28 September 2021 15: 33
    Now it is the so-called "post-truth", which forms perception not on the basis of objective facts, but on the basis of emotions and personal beliefs.

    (Quote from the author.)

    The investigation of the Latvian website is based on the recording of telephone conversations allegedly between Navalny and an alleged FSB officer. The idiocy of the situation is that Navalny, posing as Ustinov Maxim Sergeevich, an assistant to Nikolai Patrushev, was able to get information about the color of his own panties from a regular counterintelligence officer by phone! Once again, on the phone! This is not just a cheap production, but also directed with very bad taste.

    (Also a quote from the author, taken from a random article.)
  8. +5
    28 September 2021 15: 34
    For example, in 2018, The Times of London spoke in all seriousness about 75 Kremlin informers in the British capital.

    There is no such newspaper, and there never was. request
    1. 0
      28 September 2021 16: 01
      The Times of London, this is probably the translation from Russian into English "Evening Moscow". laughing or "Moscow News". laughing
      1. -2
        28 September 2021 17: 42
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        The Times of London, this is probably the translation from Russian into English "Evening Moscow".

        Well, I would write right away, without worrying about translations - "Toilet Times".
    2. +2
      28 September 2021 16: 18
      An excellent visual example of a fake.
    3. +7
      28 September 2021 17: 00
      There is no such newspaper, and there never was.

      Most likely, the author wanted to demonstrate his involvement in the world of journalism.
      The Times is the first newspaper to have borne that name, lending it to numerous other papers around the world, such as The Times of India and The New York Times. In countries where these other titles are popular, the newspaper is often referred to as The London Times, or as The Times of London ...
      https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/the-times-19167

      The Times of London - local name for The Times
  9. +3
    28 September 2021 15: 53
    in 2018, The Times of London spoke in all seriousness about 75 Kremlin informers in the British capital.
    .. There was no such newspaper, how could she tell such interesting news.? The author opposes "fakes" and is engaged in fakes himself, invents newspapers and news in invented newspapers. And passionately denounces fakecomets. "Congratulations, citizen, you have lied!" (c) Well, you can't trust anyone, you just have to check.
    1. +3
      28 September 2021 16: 07
      ... there was no such newspaper ... the author himself is engaged in fakes ...
      Or maybe recourse he is our vigilance wassat checks? So that we do not relax.
      1. +3
        28 September 2021 17: 11
        Or maybe he's checking our vigilance? So that we do not relax.

        Why, let's be vigilant.

        Here is this article:
        https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-us-are-informants-say-russian-expats-in-uk-vskn90l02

        First sentence:

        Russians in Britain fear that as many as half their fellow expatriates are informants for the Kremlin, a report says.

        Which in translation into great and mighty means:

        Russians in the UK fear that up to half of their expatriate colleagues are informers for the Kremlin, the report said.

        It is a THE RUSSIANS IN THE GREAT BRITAIN think so.

        And British journalists continue to write about 200 operatives who are in charge of 500 agents.
        It is quite worthy for a normal special service. wink
    2. +9
      28 September 2021 16: 07
      Well you can't trust anyone
      - A counterintelligence officer must always know, like no one else, that in our time it is impossible to believe anyone, sometimes even himself. I can.
  10. +9
    28 September 2021 16: 06
    Author:
    Anti-intellectualism seems to be our future.

    Not certainly in that way. Or rather, not at all.
    In recent years, artificial intelligence (AI) developers have come to the following conclusion.
    AI is continuously learning on the Internet from the digital footprints of users. A digital footprint is any message, article, like, dislike, or even a click on an ad.
    The sad experience of such AI training already exists. Launched somewhere in Europe for certain resources, AI picked up the fascist ideology and behaved in this way on other resources as a real user. To the horror of users.
    Therefore, if you fool a web user in some country to the level of a kindergarten kid's group, and there is always such an opportunity with the help of repressive measures, then artificial intelligence will be so. He is so arranged, he just has nowhere to gain his mind, except on the Web. As a result, experts evaluating AI came to the conclusion that to get an AI with a high level of development, that is, an AI capable of solving very complex political and economic problems in their countless interweaving, in order to correctly calculate the actions of the authorities of any country on many moves forward, there should be a sufficient number of smart people with out-of-the-box thinking on the Web of this country.
    And here is the paradox. The keen desire of the government of any country to shut the mouths of its noisy and rebellious clever people, and clever people often simply cannot be different, contradicts the equally keen desire of these same governments to have smart AI, superior in its analytical capabilities to the AI ​​of its neighbors.
    Well, this is so, by the way)))
  11. +9
    28 September 2021 16: 08
    The only problem with social media is that they have the audacity to offer alternative opinions.

    From the point of view of the state, this is a heinous crime. After all, only the state can have a monopoly on information.
    And then the slaves will think of something else ... No, for the common good it is better if the information is filtered by a person with a hot head and a cold heart.

    Therefore, the flywheel of a kind of "cyberwar" is unwound, with the goal of simply tightening the nuts as much as possible.
    1. +3
      28 September 2021 17: 22
      Quote: Kitty Moore
      The only problem with social media is that they have the audacity to offer alternative opinions.

      From the point of view of the state, this is a heinous crime. After all, only the state can have a monopoly on information.
      And then the slaves will think of something else ... No, for the common good it is better if the information is filtered by a person with a hot head and a cold heart.

      With the advent of the Internet, it has become easier to hide the truth behind a veil of false knives.

      not so long ago there was an official version and rumors.
      many people believed the rumors that it was dangerous for the state. today, all the news has turned into a mass of rumors. only a few can separate the truth from deception, and even then those who are dedicated.
      1. +2
        28 September 2021 17: 41
        The bottom line is different.
        It used to be simple: TV / radio / newspapers.
        The state very easily controlled everything, censored and formed the agenda.
        Now any no-name with a telephone can form its own agenda. For example, about a local officer stealing, or a cop who strangles a detainee with his knee, etc.


        And the state gets nothing but a headache. Therefore, there is a tendency to tighten state control.

        only a few can separate the truth from deception, and even then those who are dedicated.


        Yes, straight, in the crucified boy, for example, no one believed in except the TV, which made a report on the stuffing, and then apologized.

        You think too low of people.
        1. +3
          28 September 2021 19: 04
          Quote: Kitty Moore
          Yes, straight, in the crucified boy, for example, no one believed in except the TV, which made a report on the stuffing, and then apologized.

          Did he apologize? My mom is still convinced that this is true.
          1. +1
            28 September 2021 19: 12
            Well, about the "apology" I have already gone too far.

            They just otmazalis something like this: "the punishers are coming out to commit thousands of savage crimes and if we were a little mistaken, then it's okay, it happens."

            But the bottom line is that they have disowned this fake. Why? Because the whole Internet has burned over them. And without this, the history of the "crucifixion" would be fully included in history textbooks.
            1. 0
              30 September 2021 23: 06
              Quote: Kitty Moore
              Because the whole Internet has burned over them. And without this, the history of the "crucifixion" would be fully included in history textbooks.

              Once again: it was the interviewee's direct speech. If a channel shows a shaker with a test tube, is this channel dispersing disinformation?

              And once again: the Internet, which has gone to waste, of course, can refute the words of that woman?
              1. 0
                1 October 2021 03: 25
                If a channel shows a shaker with a test tube, is this channel dispersing disinformation?


                The channel, in this situation, acts as a tool that expands the audience.
                That is, as many people as possible will learn about a hypothetical test tube.
                Plus, since the TV shows, it means it confirms. Well, a reputable publication will not show a lie?

                And once again: the Internet, which has gone to waste, of course, can refute the words of that woman?


                Can you refute Russell's kettle? It's about the same thing, on one side of the scales the words of a certain woman, and on the other the following facts:
                1. There is no other testimony, although the "event" took place with a crowd of people.
                2. There is not a single photo, video excerpt. Nothing at all.
                3. Since then, the propaganda has NEVER remembered the boy, panties and crucifixion again.

                Ie here the question is on the principle I believe - I do not believe.



                And yes, the media are obliged to verify the information they disseminate. Any.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2021 21: 48
                  Quote: Kitty Moore
                  The channel, in this situation, acts as a tool that expands the audience.
                  That is, as many people as possible will learn about a hypothetical test tube.
                  Plus, since the TV shows, it means it confirms. Well, a reputable publication will not show a lie?

                  The test tube was far from hypothetical, and showed it to all and sundry. Should all publications be recorded in fakecomets?

                  Quote: Kitty Moore
                  Ie here the question is on the principle I believe - I do not believe.

                  That's right: they believed in a test tube, but not in a boy. With the test tube sorted out, but with the boy - it is not clear.

                  Or is the test tube different? ..
                  1. 0
                    1 October 2021 23: 35
                    Do you see the difference?

                    In the first case, the channel shows a UN official shaking a test tube. That is, the position of the state (the United States in that case)
                    The box just shows what is, without any interpretation.

                    In the second case, the TV channel makes a report based on the words of a woman. That is, the TV channel does not have any official confirmation, evidence, etc.

                    By this logic, you can report on anything: massacres, natural disasters, etc.

                    But this is called fake news and is prosecuted. Including with us.
        2. +2
          28 September 2021 19: 09
          Quote: Kitty Moore
          You think too low of people.

          I wish you were right.

          From my observations, it is quite easy for states to manage the opinion of the crowd.
          1. -1
            28 September 2021 19: 19
            I wish you were right.

            From my observations, it is quite easy for states to manage the opinion of the crowd.


            Not as easy as it was 30 years ago.
    2. +1
      28 September 2021 17: 39
      Quote: Kitty Moore
      The only problem with social media is that they have the audacity to offer alternative opinions.

      From the point of view of the state, this is a heinous crime. After all, only the state can have a monopoly on information.
      And then the slaves will think of something else ... No, for the common good it is better if the information is filtered by a person with a hot head and a cold heart.

      Therefore, the flywheel of a kind of "cyberwar" is unwound, with the goal of simply tightening the nuts as much as possible.

      Another example to confirm an article
      1. +3
        28 September 2021 17: 43
        There is nothing to confirm in the article.
        The author does not fumble in the topic about which he is trying to talk.
        He does not even know what they mean by the term "cyberwar" and why it worries everyone so much.

        He believes that war is a srach in comments and spam bots on social networks.
    3. 0
      28 September 2021 17: 46
      Quote: Kitty Moore
      The only problem with social media is that they have the audacity to offer alternative opinions.

      From the point of view of the state, this is a heinous crime. After all, only the state can have a monopoly on information.
      And then the slaves will think of something else ... No, for the common good it is better if the information is filtered by a person with a hot head and a cold heart.

      Therefore, the flywheel of a kind of "cyberwar" is unwound, with the goal of simply tightening the nuts as much as possible.

      Social problem networks are not in alternative opinions, but in false information that is life-threatening. 90% of the content is complete nonsense, dangerous nonsense. Here on the site, especially in the historical section, there are a lot of "pravdorubov" "fomenkovodov" "alternatives" who spread lies. Hiding their idiotic conjectures, behind the mountains of words and a bunch of names. They pop some atlases, maps and 100500 letters of an idiotic text. I myself was interested in this when I was 12-15 years old. This book was "Eldorado" true or myth (something like that, I don't remember exactly, in paperback). I watched VanDiniken in the 90s. But then I realized that this was just nonsense for the hype. No logic and common sense. And in general on the Internet, all sorts of homeopaths, psychics, liberals. The Nazis are especially dangerous and rewrote history.
      1. 0
        28 September 2021 17: 53
        Social problem networks are not in alternative opinions, but in false information that is life-threatening.


        Exactly! Therefore, Comrade Major must decide what is false and what is true. And you can't trust such slaves.

        90% of the content is complete nonsense, dangerous nonsense


        90% of the content is entertaining. You are interested in politics and boyars quarrels among themselves. For an ordinary person, all this garbage does not even appear in the tape.

        Here on the site, especially in the historical section, there are a lot of "truth-tellers", "fomen-leaders", "alternatives" who spread lies


        Well, let them write, are you sorry?
        1. +1
          28 September 2021 18: 49
          What Major? What slave? What are you labeling here. There are people smarter than you. And control is needed.
          You are interested in politics and boyars quarrels among themselves. For an ordinary person, all this garbage does not even appear in the tape.
          Do you immediately see what is in my tape? Are you a telepathic person? I know not. So there is no need to paint your fantasies here.
          Sorry for the brains of children. And sorry for those idiots who believe in nonsense. Here's an example of sick people:
          1. 0
            28 September 2021 19: 06
            What Major? What slave? What are you labeling here. There are people smarter than you. And control is needed.


            Not good at allegory?

            Do you immediately see what is in my tape? Are you a telepathic person? I know not. So there is no need to paint your fantasies here.
            Sorry for the brains of children. And sorry for those idiots who believe in nonsense. Here's an example of sick people:


            Children are great at filtering modern content.
            1. +2
              28 September 2021 19: 26
              So it seems to you. One teenager worked with me, a nephew of a friend (bring me one). Since then he asked about the sphericity of the Earth. In short, he was almost sure that the Earth was flat and that it was now possible to fly to other planets (in the sense of people). He's seen enough movies and your "entertainment" content. I was shocked. And he studied at that time at the university. It's tough!
          2. 0
            28 September 2021 19: 31
            Quote: Usher
            There are people smarter than you. And control is needed.

            That is, some dude will decide what information I can consume and what not? And from what, excuse me, fig? And from historical experience, you can be sure that censors will not be smarter than the average user. This is what Mizulina will be.
            1. +1
              28 September 2021 19: 35
              Quote: burger
              Quote: Usher
              There are people smarter than you. And control is needed.

              That is, some dude will decide what information I can consume and what not? And from what, excuse me, fig? And from historical experience, you can be sure that censors will not be smarter than the average user. This is what Mizulina will be.

              Do you think that some idiot will broadcast from the "tyrnet" and push his nonsense? But you can't keep track of your children, much less your own. This is how the future "bendery" who dug up the Black Sea are brought up. All sorts of "Anal" their liberal trash heap push. Do you want that? No, thanks. In the 90s I drank dashing, ate rhubarb for lunch with water.
              1. -1
                28 September 2021 20: 16
                Quote: Usher
                Do you think that some idiot will broadcast from the "tyrnet" and push his nonsense?

                Why not? Whoever Mikhalkov can carry nonsense even through federal channels, why can't another idiot?
                Quote: Usher
                But you can't keep track of your children, much less your own.

                Well, these are your problems rather than the Internet. If you could not put ideas about good and bad in your children, even a complete ban on the Internet will not help.
                Quote: Usher
                This is how the future "bendery" who dug up the Black Sea are brought up.

                This is just an example of fake news. It's a joke about the sea. And the fact that through the Internet you can arrange a revolution is also lechka.
                Quote: Usher
                All sorts of "Anal" their liberal trash heap push.

                Again, why not? Certainly his investigations are not harmful.
                Don't like liberalism? Do you know who our main liberal is?
                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2014/570416189a794761c0ce5bf4
                Quote: Usher
                In the 90s I drank dashing, ate rhubarb for lunch with water.

                In the 90s there were three state channels and 10 state newspapers, I am sure that the Internet and Navalny were not involved in the collapse of the USSR
                1. 0
                  28 September 2021 22: 13
                  You have not understood anything. What does my problem have to do with it? Do you read at all? How can I keep track of ANOTHER children, are you out of your mind? You don't even seem to understand the meaning of the words or what?
                  And why did Mikhalkov not please you? He's not talking about flat earth and all kinds of nonsense. Can't you see the connection between anal and 90s? You are either pretending or d ... k. I repeat to you once again, there is no place for anal sex on the Internet. And in general to all "revolutionaries", "oppositionists" and all kinds of "rebels" there. Since this anal is just a fifth column, he doesn't need the truth. He himself used to steal, supported Nazism, etc. And there is no need to tell me here that this is not true). And this anal broadcasts and drives all sorts of nonsense into the heads of youngsters. Works out the money. What do you think anal for justice? Against corruption? Do not make me laugh! What he does is called "black PR" and "populism". When the opponent is being poured with mud, and against this background he looks "whiter" and "more honest". Although the same scum. Here is my opinion IMHO.
                  As for the rest, you just don't understand what I'm talking about.
                  1. -2
                    29 September 2021 01: 53
                    Quote: Usher
                    How can I keep track of ANOTHER children, are you out of your mind?

                    Why do you want to watch other people's children? Are you out of your mind?
                    Quote: Usher
                    And why did Mikhalkov not please you? He's not talking about flat earth and all kinds of nonsense.

                    Isn't chipping with the coronavirus vaccine nonsense for you?
                    Quote: Usher
                    Can't you see the connection between anal and 90s?

                    No, I don’t see. The main revolutionary in 1917 was Nicholas II and his papa. The main perestroichnek was not even Gorbachev, but Brezhnev. If this happens in the future, the main culprit will again be in the Kremlin.
                    Quote: Usher
                    You are either pretending or d ... k.

                    Adherence to all sorts of conspiracy theories is a sign of a person of not great intelligence. So it's not for you to stutter about the intellectual abilities of others.

                    Quote: Usher
                    I repeat to you once again, there is no place for anal sex on the Internet. And in general, to all "revolutionaries", "oppositionists" and all kinds of "rebels" there.

                    It's good that it's not up to you to decide. I am quite happy when the consumer himself decides what information to consume.
                    Quote: Usher
                    Since this anal is just a fifth column, he doesn't need the truth. He himself used to steal, supported Nazism, etc. And there is no need to tell me here that this is not true). And this anal broadcasts and drives all sorts of nonsense into the heads of youngsters. Works out the money.

                    Oh, and you love conspiracy theories. What crap? That in our power many people steal if not into themselves? Are there really only crystal-clear people there?
                    Quote: Usher
                    What do you think anal for justice? Against corruption? Do not make me laugh! What he does is called "black PR" and "populism". When the opponent is being poured with mud, and against this background he looks "whiter" and "more honest". Although the same scum. Here is my opinion IMHO.

                    It is likely that Navalny is no different from the current powers that be. His goal is undoubtedly power. This is how it should be, the opposition is trying to come to power, noticing mistakes, exposing the corruption of the current government. As soon as the opposition comes to power, the new opposition, including the former government, begins to follow it.
                    Quote: Usher
                    As for the rest, you just don't understand what I'm talking about.

                    What is there to understand?
              2. -2
                28 September 2021 21: 22
                Do you think that some idiot will broadcast from the "tyrnet" and push his nonsense?


                And who is "smart". Officials? Read about censorship in RI. Laugh at the insanity that was going on then.

                But you can't keep track of the children


                You do not say? Let's be honest - most parents don't care for their kids at all. Actually "the son of your friend" is a confirmation of this.

                This is how the future "bendery" who dug up the Black Sea are brought up. All sorts of "Anal" their liberal trash heap push. Do you want that? No, thanks.


                1.Banderyat (they stole Bander, not Bander)
                2. Why distort the surname? Are you a child yourself?
                3. How does a liberal dump differ from a conservative one? Smells worse?

                In the 90s I drank dashing, ate rhubarb for lunch with water.


                And what does it have to do with it?
                90s - a transitional stage from socialism to capitalism. Naturally it was bad.
                "God forbid to live in an era of change" (c)

                Actually, the people who were at the top in the 90s rule the Russian Federation even now.

                Google the composition of the St. Petersburg mayor's office of the year since 1996, and then see where these people are now. You will be surprised, but they are at the pinnacle of power.
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                  28 September 2021 22: 16
                  Parallel to me to the St. Petersburg City Hall of the 90s. I'm better now than then. I myself see and feel changes. Why should I call the scum by their last name? I parallel how to correctly write the name / surname (what they have there) of a Nazi and a criminal. You still understand who it is. As a joke, some Ukrainians are not joking. But in reality they think so, I saw it with my own eyes) At construction sites in Moscow)
                  1. -2
                    28 September 2021 22: 34
                    Parallel to me to the St. Petersburg mayor's office of the 90s. I'm better now than then. I myself see and feel changes.


                    Naturally, because the transition is over. You mentioned the 90s (for some reason), not me.

                    Why should I call the scum by their last name? I parallel how to correctly write the name / surname (what they have there) of a Nazi and a criminal.


                    Because there are rules for the Russian language.

                    As a joke, some Ukrainians are not joking. But in reality they think so, I saw it with my own eyes) At construction sites in Moscow)


                    Is it about digging up the Black Sea?
                    Pfft, they still have a weak fantasy.
                    I have heard stories about the Russians on fiery chariots who fought with the ancient reptilians - the Chinese.

                    Remember at least our pagans with their Russian-Etruscan.
  12. +1
    28 September 2021 16: 14
    Manipulations of public consciousness have existed at all times. Now it is the so-called "post-truth", which forms perception not on the basis of objective facts, but on the basis of emotions and personal beliefs.
    Deception technology has skyrocketed ... high, in short, effective enough!
    But to resist this is VERY DIFFICULT !!!
    1. +2
      28 September 2021 18: 15
      hi good day, Victor! It's true! If emotions go off scale, then the mind is silent. This is what manipulation is trying to achieve. First, plunge into anger, horror, and so on ... and then manipulate ...
      1. +2
        28 September 2021 18: 51
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        We must admit that on the side, not ours, they are not fools, experienced, insidious, equipped ...
        Knowledge, fortitude and MEMORY are on our side !!!
        The worst thing is that there is no unity on our side !!!
        1. +3
          28 September 2021 19: 42
          Victor, it's not that there is no unity, we have confusion and vacillation, lies and idle chatter ... and other things are not the best
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 20: 21
            Well, yes, until the roasted rooster bites ... everyone, soft and tender!
            1. +1
              28 September 2021 22: 15
              Victor, you are doing a great job by working with children. This is how I understood your previous comment. Unfortunately, not all children manage to attend such classes.
              And how can social networks educate is known.
              1. +1
                29 September 2021 09: 55
                Caring about our future, about WORTHY, LIGHT, the future ... or maybe it will take place only by the work of PEOPLE, who will all together make it.
                1. +1
                  29 September 2021 10: 16
                  hi Unfortunately, when dealing with momentary problems, not everyone remembers this.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Caring about our future, about WORTHY, LIGHT, the future ... or maybe it will take place only by the work of PEOPLE, who will all together make it.
                  1. +1
                    29 September 2021 11: 06
                    This process will be difficult after everything that has been muddied around us. The transition from private to public, to general problems ...
                    1. +1
                      29 September 2021 15: 34
                      When the Veteran, a participant in the Second World War, filed a lawsuit against Navalny, I thought that maybe, now, some processes of unification in society will take place.
                      After all, Victory in the Second World War is something that concerns everyone, that unites us all.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2021 07: 45
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        some processes will take place now

                        The question is - where and what can / should happen?
                        The authorities ... are slightly PR, nothing more, although the case may be allowed to be decided in favor of the veteran.
                        The parties ... this is a very sad situation for all of us.
                        The public ... the public is sitting in the virtual, basically, that's why the waves of indignation / support are the same virtual !!!
                        Now \ bye, everything is sad !!!
        2. +2
          28 September 2021 21: 18
          What is memory about? What heroes do you want to raise, so to speak, on the shield? What would these heroes do if they saw our current state? Yesterday I read that somewhere in Uzbekistan children beat a "Russian-speaking boy". Even the very word "Russian" now burns the lips of our "rulers of thoughts". From the heroes of the past to the article and landing is now one step, beware ...
          1. +1
            29 September 2021 10: 00
            Quote: Mikhail3
            What is memory about?

            When I hear that OUR HEROES are called crazy .... come and give in Kharyu.
            And I teach the wards so that they would not have to ask / clarify who these OUR HEROES are.
  13. +1
    28 September 2021 17: 40
    Examples are common: the Telegram channel NEXTA last year, during the protests, published a video with a five-year-old girl who was beaten up by the Belarusian riot police in Grodno. The shocking content immediately spread all over the world. The girl was really unlucky, but she received injuries as a result of an accident.
    only for this it is already necessary to plant admins.
    1. -1
      28 September 2021 23: 32
      What's wrong with the girl?

      The parents claim that the girl was injured by the glass shattered by the riot policeman's baton.
  14. +3
    28 September 2021 17: 58
    Manipulations of public consciousness have existed at all times. Now it is the so-called "post-truth", which forms perception not on the basis of objective facts, but on the basis of emotions and personal beliefs.

    As usual on VO, the author is somewhat far from the topic he covers.
    "Post-truth" is not a manipulation of public consciousness. She is the result of such manipulation. Post-truth does not shape anything. It is shaped by a 24-hour news cycle, engaged media and social media.
    The VO site, especially the "News" section, also makes a contribution.
  15. -2
    28 September 2021 21: 06
    Yes Yes! Bullfinches and titmouses. The crucified boy. The plane of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, shot down by the Donbas rebels, turned out to be a Boeing.
    A start was made. And then it went backwards.
    If there is no strategic forecasting, then there is nothing to talk about!
  16. +1
    28 September 2021 21: 13
    The biggest problem in this thread, as I have written on numerous occasions, is a simple question. How to make it so that the enemy nonsense, vile silences and outright manipulations of consciousness would be fought off by the "electorate", and government nonsense, vile silences and outright manipulations of consciousness would pass away?
    After all, they rule now only and exclusively with the help of these very instruments! How to be that ?!)) The Americans have put their entire country on drugs, and are constantly pressing with the most powerful suggestion. And despite this, they raise a fuss all over the planet because of a couple of dozen posts on social networks criticizing their actions. That is, even long-term drug hypnosis does not give stable results.
    Either a person obediently leads to all the vile manipulations, both to the enemy and from his own dear brain stirrers, or he doesn’t do anything at all (bastard !!), or flies off the cut and runs to kill anyone. Are people still smartphone slaves? How long will this even go on until people start to go crazy with millions at a time? Thinking is already in decline, and stagnation is growing.
    I see no way out.
  17. -1
    29 September 2021 11: 15
    It reminds us of the eternal reflections of hurray - experts: we ought to do something, to do something, to do something at the very end, a little bit: maybe, maybe, steal less, otherwise all the previous ones will go to hell, people can see ..

    so here: Can we stop chasing fakes and peremogi about thousands of Armats, conquering the moon by 2015 and later, Su75 hyper-super, and N, who stole 300-600-900 billions ...
  18. 0
    29 September 2021 11: 58
    With the advent of Facebook, Twitter and others, it’s even ridiculous to talk about freedom and truth. If in some European countries and in the USA they can be fired from their jobs for the wrong "post" on social networks, and an invisible "big brother" can block the president's account - both freedom and truth are very specific.
  19. 0
    6 October 2021 11: 17
    In such a situation, Russia has to either try to resist internal filtering of content through stigmatization of heralds of Western propaganda (cases of "foreign agents"), or try to establish clear rules of the game at the international level.

    This is a defense, therefore, a deliberate defeat. It is necessary to collect and analyze information from their databases (they dump it in fakes), identify the principles of formation, methods of application, methods of distribution and, on this basis, form their own, more effective tools and actively apply them. Since a war is going on, it is necessary to behave as in a war - counterattacks, encirclements, a breakthrough along the flanks into the depth of the defense and defeat. It is impossible to conclude a peace treaty without the defeat.
    The defeat is when their population stops listening to their sources of information and goes to ours.