"This has never happened in our city."

There are reports from the United States of an attack on a supermarket in Tennessee. According to the latest reports, an unidentified man entered a store in Collierville (western suburb of Memphis) in Shelby County and opened fire to kill.

Collierville Police Department Chief Dale Lane:

A terrible thing has happened. One person was killed, 14 were injured as a result of shooting in a supermarket. This has never happened in our city. I have been working in the police for 34 years and have never encountered anything like it.

At the moment it is known that it was not possible to take the attacker alive. According to one version, he shot himself, according to another, he was killed by a police officer's gunshot.

One of the supermarket employees:

When he opened fire, people began to fall. Some employees even had to lock themselves in cold storage rooms. Many then got out onto the roof and from there began to jump to the ground.

At the moment, the possible motives of the attacks are being checked and the identity of the shooter is being established. It is also established whether he was not an employee of this outlet.

It is known that the offender drove up to the supermarket building by car. Some time ago it was reported that the car is still in the parking lot.

At the moment, a special police force is working at the scene of the crime.

Store Manager:

Our store will be closed during the investigation. We do not know anything about this person yet.

Comments

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Region-25.rus

I wonder how many visitors (employees) had a short barrel?

Have not counted yet

[knn54]

Maniacs are not born, they are formed by society.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: knn54

Maniacs are not born, they are formed by society.

And at this time also the media and the Internet.
Although of course this is also a society

[Shurik70]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote: Region-25.rus

I wonder how many visitors (employees) had a short barrel?

Have not counted yet

Having a gun is not enough.
1) You must be able to handle it.
2) You must have the determination to shoot to kill.
3) You need to know that for the murder of a maniac you will be rewarded, and not sent to prison.
In all three areas, work is underway to transform people into a "peaceful electorate."
Even as far as Texas, where before many had weapons, the infection of tolerance reached.

[Baron pardus]

In most of these "shopping malls" it is forbidden to bring firearms. There are special signs on the doors (a pistol crossed out in red on a white background). The so-called "Gun Free Zone".
The same signs are in hospitals and other places. In many restaurants, for example, too. This means that the OWNER of this property does NOT permit weapons on his property, he has, by the way, the right. And fools always use their rights.

I just looked. The Kroeger chain of stores where the shooting took place is the GUN FREE Zone. What does it mean? And the fact that if you bring a weapon there, even if you LEGALLY own it, then you will be arrested for "trespassing", you will not get a term, get off with a slight fright, but in Krogers .. ALL krogers will forbid you to come FOREVER.
By the way, the maniacs specifically attack the Gun Free Zone - they know very well that there will be freedom for them. How do you know that there is a Gun Free Zone somewhere? There is a special sign on the doors that I talked about

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

In most of these "shopping centers" it is forbidden to bring firearms.

Bans exist for law-abiding people
For criminals, any law is an empty phrase

[Baron pardus]

You are absolutely right. But, you see, let's say I'm going to the Hospital. Uncle has a stroke. I ALWAYS have a barrel with me. But there is a "gun free zone" sign on the hospital. I don't have the slightest desire to create problems for myself. I go back to the car, put the pistol in the glove compartment and go to visit Uncle Alik. But some bandit doesn't care about these badges. And while the hospital police get to him, he will crumble so many people. Therefore, I EXACTLY FOR THAT WEAPONS HAVE EVERYONE, and that Gan Free Zone DOESN'T HAVE.

It takes the police 10-30 minutes to get to the crime scene. Do you know what a man with a pump will do in a supermarket while cops will go there for 15 minutes. I am a supporter of the general armament of the population. Of course, people need to be taught how to handle weapons so that they do not accidentally shoot themselves, their relatives, friends, cats and dogs out of stupidity.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

I am a supporter of the general armament of the population.

Well, first of all, what is the use of the trunk, if you yourself said it cannot be carried where there are prohibitions
And secondly. Someone was not given permission to purchase. What does he do. Just from behind he hits on the head in a dark place of the owner of the barrel and takes the barrel.
And not for you. Personal anonymous minus player. You are a sneaky coward. You bite like a mongrel from around the corner and hide in the alley.
Admins, You can ban for these words, but it would be better if you punished such anonymous mongrels!

[Baron pardus]

A sheep with a trunk will remain a sheep. People need to be taught not only SAFE handling of weapons, but: a) recognition of possible danger. b) assessing the situation and Avoiding potential conflict. C) and only in the LAST - the practical use of the short-barrel against any lesson and gopniks.
Believe it or not, after the citizen has shot, the snoopers will still dig. All they see is a corpse. And there will be an examination, and there will be an investigation, and if it turns out that you DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT to use a weapon, you WILL BE SITTED FOR Murder 2, or for "manslaughter". This is certainly not murder1 but sit down for 5-10 years.
Therefore, FIRSTLY, on the "Pistol self defense" courses you are taught when and when you DO NOT need to grab the barrel. The simplest example. Chel stand 5 steps away from you, he has nothing in his hands and yells "I will kill you now." You don't even have the right to GET the trunk. Many people think that the VERBAL threat allows the use of weapons - NO, you SIT.
Most people in the United States who buy pistols go to these self-defense courses. People who bought rifles and shotguns didn't. Because this is for the defense of the HOUSE, but everything is simple there - if someone climbed into you without asking, you can shoot. The person clearly did not come to the budelbrody at 3 o'clock in the morning :-)

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Believe it or not, after the citizen has shot, the trailblazers will still dig

It will be all the same to the killed
I ask again. You have come to the hospital. It is forbidden for you to carry the trunk. No one has weapons. A maniac breaks in and begins a carnage. What's the use that everyone has trunks in the car?

[Baron pardus]

I already had the honor to explain to you, I AM AGAINST these "Gun Free Zone". And the trunk in the car, or rather on me, is if someone attacks me when I'm in the car. Or I’m walking down the street, or anywhere else. Gun Free Zone is an invitation for criminals "Come in, everyone is defenseless." By the way, research in the US found that "Gun Free Zones" increase the chances of mass shooting there. For some reason, there are never any postrelushek at the "Descendants of Confederate Soldiers" conventions. For some reason, there are never any posters at biker rallies and conventions. By the way, a Muslim in the United States (your last two shots were made by Muslims, by the way), shot a gay bar (I claim the fifth on my opinion about that), this gay bar was exactly Gun Free Zone. As well as this Kroeger shop.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Gun Free Zone is an invitation for criminals "Come in, everyone is defenseless."

So we're kind of talking about mass slaughter. And you mean your own safety in the car and on the street.
But the street does not suit the carnage.

[Baron pardus]

Satisfied. A psycho with a gun can be EVERYWHERE. When I arrived in the USA, I lived in a black area for 3 years. The FIRST thing that I understood - YOU NEVER know how close a person is to blow the thread, you NEVER know what a person is pumped up with. You NEVER know what's in his pocket. and you NEVER know who it is. IN ANY area you never know how nutty people are in front of you and you NEVER know if your "Go nafig" will be that straw that will break his psyche.
I already wrote here. My neighbor is a policeman. He said that he braked the car for recklessness, hit the computer - there was nothing behind the carrier. GENERALLY. He approaches the car, demands a license and insurance, and the person gives him a document with one hand and stabs him in the chest with the other. Why? Chel was driving to a job interview, and when a police officer stopped him for recklessness, his roof was blown off. You NEVER know who is in front of you. By the way, when I was in college, in Milwaukee in broad daylight, my car was fired upon when I got lost and drove into the wrong area. My poor Toyota got 3 holes. You never know. You can live LIFE and never be in confrontation, but you can go out into the street TOMORROW, accidentally push someone and he will take out the barrel and bang you. YOU JUST NEVER KNOW HOW CRAZY IS A MO FO IN FRONT OF YOU.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Satisfied. A psycho with a gun can be EVERYWHERE.

They twisted again.
The conversation was about massacres in public places.
All the time you lead the conversation the other way.
Let's stop pouring from empty to empty.
Good luck

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Baron Pardus

YOU JUST NEVER KNOW HOW CRAZY IS A MO FO IN FRONT OF YOU.

Sorry for the question: from the context of the phrase, you can guess that "mo fo" is a motherfucker. And whose slang is this, Negro or common, white can speak like that?

[DmSol]

Do the workers have no weapons either?

[Crane]

I wonder how many visitors (employees) had a short barrel?
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Is it legal to wear in Tennessee? I just don't know.

[Finches]

Human life is priceless, even the life of a simple Anglo-Saxon, so my condolences! But it turns out that America also has its own Evsyukov!

[Region-25.rus]

and America has its own Evsyukov!

rather, we have all sorts of breaks. For when the curtain fell, all the known substance poured into us. As they say - "What appeared in the United States, three years later already in Europe, and seven years later, and here"

[Finches]

It is truth too!

[APASUS]

Quote: Finches

Human life is priceless, even the life of a simple Anglo-Saxon, so my condolences!

The life of the Anglo-Saxon in particular. It is in Afghanistan that bombing weddings or shooting people for fun is not considered murder, but in the USA it is a crime.

[Baron pardus]

You have no idea how right you are. I know a guy, Todd. He is also a veteran like me. He also served in the Army. I have also been to Iraq and Afghanistan. It is impossible to reproach me for being too human. But listening to the expressions of Todd, and of our other guys, I freaked out. “Prisoners of war, all prisoners - just put them against the walls and from machine guns.
To my question "And actually why", his answer was "brilliant" "Because these are strangers, no one forced them to wear uniforms and fight against us - they raised weapons against us - that means they shouldn't live." To my comment that I think his approach to terrorists is absolutely correct, but not to soldiers and officers of the enemy army dressed in uniform, he shrugged his shoulders and said, "Dmitry, you are certainly a US citizen, you served, fought, but deep down, how were you? commie, so you stay with them. " When I objected to him that "there are international agreements" he shrugged his shoulders and said "Agreements are not worth the paper on which they are written."

Todd, by the way, is far from unique in this mentality. The Marines generally have an "unspoken" tradition that after the first ENEMY shot - do not take prisoners, AT ALL. And although I absolutely share this position in relation to terrorists. And in relation to all strangers, it is impossible to reproach me for humanity. But the law is the law. Enemy soldiers and officers wishing to surrender must be safe and they can neither be killed nor injured or beaten. But in the United States, unfortunately, there are enough people who, if it were their will, would do such a thing that the SS and the Gestapo would howl in horror. You just DON'T UNDERSTAND what the universal competition is driving the society. You stop seeing other people as people, they are opponents, competitors. After all, there are not enough good houses in safe suburbs for everyone. Easy, high-paying jobs too. There are not enough beautiful girls for everyone either. Therefore, many Americans see in other people, first of all, COMPETITORS and Opponents. And how do they see NOT Americans - well, in general, as not people. By the way, the military often treat civilians with carefully concealed disdain. And civilians treat the military with ill-concealed fear.

By the way, note, all your postrelushki have GENERAL symptoms - shooters are Caucasians, note not "terrible and terrible Russian nationalists", but Caucasians, and talk about other people as "biological garbage". Many of the American fans of shooting can be divided into two categories: a) The Avengers - who come to school, where they were thoroughly bullied and the teachers were carefully "not noticed", or to work where the same thing happened. b) Cleaners - they clean the ground from "Biological debris", such as the shooter who imitated the Joker from Batman. These people, as a rule, are intellectually developed, and VERY developed, and are full of disdain and contempt for those who are at a lower intellectual level (or moral).

The saddest thing is that in the same capitalist America, in the 60s-80s, this simply did not happen. There were psychos like Dalmer, of course, but there was no such thing that people were blown away and they hunted two-legged turkeys.

[DmSol]

So this is a dead end. It's just a dead end. And these people tell us something about the non-viability of socialism. Moreover, this is happening in a country that has not been bombed, in which there have not been three revolutions in 100 years. Yomae, when did you manage to be so cattle then?

[Baron pardus]

First, not all Americans share these views. But, unfortunately, enough. There is no need to look for the origins of this mentality. The concept of "manifest Destiny", that is, the United States is "a unique country chosen by God, with a special destiny, which God himself commanded to rule the world." Mark Twain wrote about this. At your leisure, read about The Million Lost, when in 1945-1946 the Americans, British, and Canadians starved to death over a MILLION German prisoners of war. Note that neither the United States nor Canada was bombed by the Germans, and American, British and Canadian prisoners of war were kept in good conditions.
If this is not enough, then read about tens of thousands of southerner prisoners of war who were starved to death by Lincoln. Read about the March of Sherman, when the Northerners walked AFTER THE WAR, with fire and sword, across the Southern states, destroying infrastructure so that the Southern states were FOREVER poor and backward. We didn’t go to waste. We've ALWAYS been like that.
Read "The British Roots of German Nazism". Read about the attitude of the "People of God" - the Pilgrims - Puritans towards the Indians, or even towards the Irish and Italians. We did not oskotinilis - we have ALWAYS been a country of thieves, bandits and hucksters. It's just that in the 50s and 80s, when the standard of living rose, this whole nature hid behind the screen of a prosperous middle class. And when the 2000s hit and the middle class began to be destroyed, then all this husk flew off us.
I repeat, many, many of us simply DO NOT SEE others as human beings. Especially if we are at war with them. These are not people, some kind of creatures similar to people, but not people.
And then it is more interesting. "Only in the Army - real people, civilians ... they are not like that ..".
I repeat, when the middle class is destroyed, the competition is just terrible. And not only at work. As I already wrote, there are not enough cozy houses in safe, beautiful suburbs for everyone. Beautiful girls too. And living in the USA, you see COMPETITORS EVERYWHERE AND IN EVERYTHING. For example. I just want to buy a house. BUT I'm not the only one. Here is competition, and where competition is there is hostility and dehumanization of a competitor - it is easier to hate him that way.

And what is going on with you - welcome to capitalism. Good work is NOT ENOUGH for everyone. You have the same processes.

[Flooding]

Baron pardus
how long have you been in the USA?

[Baron pardus]

Since 1991. You will laugh, but then it was a TOTALLY different country. And my uncle Alik (yes, the one who has a stroke), he came to the United States in 1979, he says that then there was a VERY different country. With the destruction of the middle class, the people just go berserk. It reaches the point of absurdity. Work for $ 15 an hour (now even in Mac Duck they pay $ 14), no one wants
And they are angry that they say "They pay a little, we want 20 per hour," but there is no work at all for 20 bucks per hour. The competition is INSANE. Well, as a result, the competition for the STATUS of success is insane. What is success status for an American? For the majority it is not a car, not a trick (for blacks it is a car and a trick, for "Russians", by the way, too). But the American, will walk in Wrangler jeans, in a shabby Wisconsin Rulit T-shirt, but he will have HIS HOUSE in clean, safe suburbs. This is the status. And these houses are not enough for everyone. When you see in all COMPETITORS, and you can not trust ANYONE. GENERALLY. Because "Nothing personal, just business", they will snitch on you, substitute your "friends" at work easily. And if something happens, your "faithful" will tell you "It's nothing personal, just business, I must take care of myself first of all." The frantic pace of life and competition, coupled with "social damnation and your own reality" as Slayer sang, just blow the roof over the people.

[Flooding]

Quote: Baron Pardus

You will laugh, but then it was a TOTALLY different country

I will not laugh
in 91 and we had a completely different country

[DmSol]

"You have the same processes."
I do not argue that we are there too. But in this field, we will always be the losers.

[alch3mist]

Baron Pardus (Dmitry) Today, 09:21
These people, as a rule, are intellectually developed, and VERY developed.

Correction: These people IMAGINE that they are intellectually advanced.

[Baron pardus]

You are wrong. For example, a guy who in the USA decided to pose as the Joker in the cinema, his IQ went off scale. Unibomber - his IQ went off scale too, by the way was higher than Einstein's. Likewise with Manson and Dalmer. Many sociopaths, such as people with Asperger Syndrome, have very high IQs. At the same time, many have problems in the social sphere. I knew a man named Arthur, his IQ was either 170 or 180. So, he thinks in Binary code, and he needs to STRESS to talk to "ordinary people". "It gives me a mighty headache, to think down to your level" - Megadeth. Most of the shooters are sociopaths, in the United States many are angry with society because the intellect is high, education is high (often), but they do not know how to find themselves in society, or rather "sell themselves". Hence the resentment against the "biological waste" that took their place in society, which grows quietly every year, until the brow blows away. Steven Paddock, who shot the Las Vegas festival, had a "great memory, extraordinary intelligence and education, and good manners."
The initiators of the mass shootings in American schools FULLY fit into this characteristic. As a rule, these are boys, with intelligence and ability above average, who are either successful in their studies, or they are given it so easily that they get bored and they forget about it. These are, as a rule, outcasts from the "society of the beautiful and popular", over whom, AS A RULE, FAITHFULLY, they mock and bring either to suicide (which is much more often) or to the point that they decide to take revenge on the offenders and teachers who "diligently did not notice anything." By the way, suicide is the leading cause of death among adolescents under 16 in the United States. Boys - as a rule, shoot themselves, girls, as a rule, hang themselves. Recently I took courses BLS - Basic Life Support. We were told there how many teenagers self-sawing. The main reason is bullying in schools, both physical and moral / emotional and verbal.
And as a rule, boys and girls with intelligence are VERY above average self-sawing.
Old-time teachers will never remember such bullying as it is now in schools. And if in the 70s and 80s teachers intervened and protected the students, now for a teacher to intervene is to create problems for himself with the risk of losing his job. And if in the 70s-80s, they spread rot mainly physically, both in black and white regions, now they spread rot, especially in white regions - morally.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Finches

and America has its own Evsyukov!

Sorry, maybe I missed it somewhere. Has he already been tried?

[Baron pardus]

If a chela was judged for something serious, no one is trite to him, ANY STORE, NO DEALER will sell the barrel. Because to go under the article for the sake of a couple of hundred bucks in profit, and even to lose the license FOREVER, no one wants to. In the US, most online gun purchases go through the FFL - FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSE holder. Having received a weapon from the store, such an FFL sends a request to the State Police "Like there is a Guy of Special Value here, he wants to buy a barrel, look, he hasn't screwed up anywhere?" A couple of days later, an answer comes from the cops. And only THEN the FFL has the right to transfer the weapon to the buyer. And FFL is responsible for WHOM he handed these weapons over. It answers both with a LICENSE and under a rather serious article (Felony level) it can get and easily thunder for 5-10 years. So in the USA "anyone on the Internet" CANNOT buy a barrel.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

and "They say there is one Guy of Special Value, he wants to get a barrel, look, he hasn't screwed up anywhere?"

And that geek from Perm did not have time to screw up. And the barrel was sold to him. I don’t remember that criminals staged a massacre

[Baron pardus]

You should be in any city where there are a lot of blacks or mexes. Everyone has trunks there, a bandit and not a bandyug. The funny thing is that they shoot the lawless people and special thugs there themselves. And more than once or twice it happened that during Drive By, a Negro or a Mex with a barrel protrudes from a neighboring house and begins to smack at the car from which they shoot, although they do NOT shoot at him.
By the way, in these regions there are NO such shots and shots. The bandits deal with each other bloodily. But such that in the black district someone went into a store or a shopping mall there and started shooting - extremely rarely - they will kill their own people, and then they will come for his family. Why? "You killed my cousin." In those areas it is very interesting. In 2010, a guy named Nabors was spanked completely by accident in Chicago. He was not the last person in Vice Lords, but he was not spanked on this and absolutely by accident. So his killer was banged before the police found him, and the killer's family just fled from Chicago leaving everything. I knew what would happen to them.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

You should go to any city where there are a lot of blacks or mexes

I feel good in Russia too.
And for some reason you cite America as an example. And we are in Russia. We are in Russia. We are different.
The American from the cradle sees the trunk and knows how to use it. Give us a gun to any kid and what will he do first? That's right, go to "shoot" About TB when handling weapons of the concept of "zero"

[Baron pardus]

You are not entirely correct. Before the bandits from BLM and ANTIFA showed themselves in all their glory, somewhere in 40-50% of the population, the rights, as a rule, each of them had at least 3 units). This is not the 70s, when most schools had shooting galleries, and guys in small towns came to schools with guns and showed teachers what shotgun / rifle they got for 16 year olds. Most teens and kids see guns in ... movies, gangster rap videos, (your thug), video games. And then, in a year, 5+ MILLION NEW weapon owners. BLM and ANTIFA behaved in such a way that a bunch of democrats who supported them URGENTLY armed themselves. Swept everything off the store shelves, down to the double-barreled guns (which were always considered a weapon of hunters and athletes). Funny. When did Covid start that WHITE Americans from big cities swept away from all the shelves? TOILET PAPER, WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION. What did Negroes, Russians, Poles and Asians buy with Indians? Canned food, medicines, WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION.
Think about it. An epidemic begins, all frightened and ... EVERYONE IS ARMED. As I said, we have ALWAYS been a country of bandits, thieves and traders. The high standard of living of the 60s-80s simply gave us the opportunity to disguise this under the guise of complacent financial success.
For example, I grew up watching Soviet war films. BUT in my minds it was not possible to settle accounts with the offenders with the help of 3 rulers. You see, Sir. These are SOCIETY problems. CAPITALISM. The competition that makes us see in each other is not CITIZED but competitors ... for work, for a good apartment, for a place at the university ... for a girl. Well, if you add Islam with its attitude to the "unfaithful giaur" dogs, then there is nothing surprising in what is happening with you. You FORGOT how you, Russians were killed by Chechens, Ingush, Azerbaijanis. You FORGOT it. And so they came to you, and behave as they are taught - KILL GIAURA is BIOMUSOR.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

For example, I grew up watching Soviet war films. BUT in my minds it was not possible to settle accounts with the offenders with the help of 3 rulers.

Yes, that's about it. We are Russian others.

You FORGOT how you, Russians were killed by Chechens, Ingush, Azerbaijanis. You FORGOT it.

And they always killed in war. That you are taking away the conversation all the time?
Answer the question on the topic. In the event of a mass slaughter in a public place, will the barrel help you?
Let me simplify the question. The maniac will go to the kindergarten. Will the teacher start shooting back?

[Baron pardus]

If not a teacher, then a janitor. In China, Uighurs (Muslims) entered kindergartens with machetes and hatchets. Yes. In some schools, teachers are not only allowed to carry weapons but are also taught how to use them. By the way, when teachers were simply allowed to bring weapons, without training, there were several high-profile incidents, such as the teacher scratching his chest - banged a pistol in a chest holster. Happened. I repeat. I am for the fact that the brow who did not go through the SIMPLE course of safety in handling weapons was not even allowed to own the SLINGSHOT.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

If not a teacher, then a janitor.

What kind of cleaner ???? Cleaning lady granny about 80 years old.
You twist and divert the conversation all the time. I see no reason to continue the conversation
Good luck

[Baron pardus]

This is YOU a cleaner at school or kindergarten. - granny about 80 years old. And our wipers are mostly blacks, mexes and rednecks. They are maintenance men - men who do not clean anything, but are engaged in minor repairs and repairs. My mother worked in the synagogue at one time as Shabbas Goy (In the synagogues, non-Jews are hired so that they can work on Saturday - it's called Shabbas Goy), she worked there as an office manager and as an accountant. And in the same synagogue a HEALTHY NIGER worked as a janitor. And as a "maintenance man" - Pole. Believe me, if anyone had fallen into the kindergarten at the synagogue, these two would have been completely blown away.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Baron Pardus

And our wipers are mostly blacks, mexes and rednecks.

They twisted again. We are talking about Russia
I'm deeply on the drum, what and how in America.
I have already told you that I am no longer interested in talking to you.
Once again good luck

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Baron Pardus

You FORGOT it. And so they came to you, and behave as they are taught - KILL GIAURA - this is BIOMUSOR.

ummm .. when is this? the last time they tried this, they staged such a yoh tyh in the most sore spot, in the markets and trade.
now all these arrows are quite local to themselves. Diasporas themselves are very interested in keeping everything quiet and decent, so they build their own. showdowns mainly between diasporas. Tajiks fought with Uzbeks, sometimes they started shooting, but after that both Tajiks and Uzbeks had problems. they have already learned that.
a couple of years ago, Georgian Natsiks staged demarches in Georgia, do you think at least one Georgian supported this? no. all condemned and denied. it is understandable. here they have a restaurant and a business, and if they are trampled out of here, then at home with work strained, but free cherry plum grows your restaurant ... free cherry plum ... hmm. in my opinion, the choice is not so difficult
we have a very clear situation with migrants. you've probably heard that the secession of the republics in the collapse of the union is called "parade of sovereignties"? this is a lie in fact it was a "parade of colonies". all these republics have become suppliers of cheap labor, yes, some not for the Russian Federation, but for the EU, but that's all. no one needs to arrange "Russia for the Russians" this hour. the most powerful argument "they take our job" works really shitty ... what "your job"? Is there anyone here who desperately wants to go as a courier for delivery? or can lay bricks at a construction site for 12 hours? or get a job as a janitor?
among my friends there are those who were Nazis and skinheads, but now they are quite normal people without these jumps, but I don’t know those who would now drown for Nazism
you there above correctly noted that the root of the problem is inequality that generates crime. yes, Russia is now also a cap country and also with these problems, but remember what Todd told you? you have a "commie vaccine" here we have a country with a "commie vaccination" that mitigates all these negative effects. does not decide yet, but only soften. for the most part, people remain human. I hope that over time he will be able to defeat the causes of the disease.

[Roman_vh]

And these people teach us about life and democracy? These people say that we are morose and not sociable. But....

[Baron pardus]

The American is ALWAYS smiling. Why? I'll just give you an example. Here you go to the lard for trade in used cars. They will look into your eyes, smile, shake hands, do EVERYTHING to foist on you some kind of rubbish and PUNISH you. They won't LIE to you. But they will calm you down with feigned friendliness and smile, and then, hanging noodles on your ears, they SHOE you. With a smile. With friendliness. Smiling and friendliness are disarming. We are NOT glad to see you, we are glad to have the opportunity to hand you something unnecessary or garbage. And they smile and befriend you just for the sake of this. "A smile disarms and invites you." Americans smile because "that's the way it should be." And it's easier to live like that. In most cases, this is FALSE. Of course, friends, friends are glad to see you. The person from whom you regularly buy something is glad to see you. The musicians to whom you go to concerts are glad to see you and will even remember your name. BUT when an UNKNOWN person smiles at you, he tries to win over and disarm you. This is how a man smiles and behaves friendly and sweet towards a girl in order to drag her into bed. THIS IS BUSINESS. When a stranger smiles at you and is too friendly to you, they will cheat and throw you now. KEEP EAR SHARP. Of course, there are exceptions, the owner of the dining room is SINCERELY glad to see you, and will feed you properly (he needs you to come back), but he sells cars - here he EXACTLY throws you, or the seller of ELECTRONICS, kindly talking and smiling at you, he will foist you so much unnecessary rubbish that you will scratch turnips for 2 weeks (and I bought it all).

[Alexander 3]

Something must be acting on such freakin 'on their brains.

[Finches]

Victims of the counter strike!

[Trapp1st]

Victims of the counter strike!

And what did the Germans play before becoming Nazis?

[Finches]

Incorrect comparison! Lonely psycho and state ideology!

[Trapp1st]

state ideology!

And in this case, you think neither the state nor society has anything to do with it?

[Finches]

You can't keep track of every jerk! But society and - the free sale of weapons to all who do not get it! And we are starting to take an example from them - they say, well, we shot hamsters, but I have a barrel on my pocket, so I'm a free man!

[Trapp1st]

But society and - the free sale of weapons to all who do not get it!

I am against the free sale of weapons, but given Russian realities, when the most frostbitten guests from the regions have a lot of it, and no longer legal, then I think it is not right to deprive people of the right to self-defense (only the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not need to tell anything)

[Finches]

Our courts interpret the term self-defense so "funny" that the defender gets a real term, as if for genocide

[Trapp1st]

In our country, the courts interpret the term self-defense so "funny" that the defender gets real terms, as for genocide laughing

Would you prefer convenience two meters underground, next to loved ones and a beautiful enclosure? In my opinion, 3 terms for genocide are better, and the confidence in my soul that at least for my relatives it has become safer.

[Finches]

That's just the point - safety in the presence of weapons, this is the same illusion as in the absence of it!

[Trapp1st]

That's just the point - safety in the presence of weapons, this is the same illusion as in the absence of it!

A neat hole in the criminal's head deprives him of any illusion to commit atrocities.

[Finches]

As well as a neat hole in the head of the alleged defender ...

[Trapp1st]

As well as a neat hole in the head of the alleged defender ...

An armed man at least has a chance to protect himself and those around him. Once again, I am against the free sale of weapons, but we must proceed from the Russian reality, when those who want to have weapons for committing crimes and so will acquire them in spite of all the laws.

[Finches]

Based on the Russian reality, we don't need such freedom!

[Galleon]

An unarmed society creates a regime of the most favorable and even comfort for subjects who are blown away by blind hatred. No one will answer you even with indiscriminate firing: you can take your time to target the victims and revel in momentary impunity and "greatness."
And a couple of bullets would whistle over the ear, such a jackal would crouch down and his pants would get wet.

[vl903]

Quote: Trapp1st

But society and - the free sale of weapons to all who do not get it!

I am against the free sale of weapons, but given Russian realities, when the most frostbitten guests from the regions have a lot of it, and no longer legal, then I think it is not right to deprive people of the right to self-defense (only the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not need to tell anything)

now half of normal citizens are forced to do so.
I'm talking here in the Russian Federation to criminals and their friends in power all over the handicap

[Seryoga64]

They generally do not walk there and this information will greatly help the investigation.

[Ros 56]

As there Alla Borisovna sang at one time: "whether it will still be oh-oh-oh".
With such a mess, striped unprecedented peaks are reached in the shooting of the population.

[DmSol]

How so? In the same place, everything Rimbaud is simple. All with trunks. And such an outcome. Unclear…

[Tramp007]

Who wants to carry a weapon if they don't shoot on the street?

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

"This has never happened in our city."

***
✨ There was no such thing, and now - again! ...
--- V.S. Chernomyrdin
***

[Woodman]

According to one version, he shot himself, according to another, he was killed by a police officer's gunshot.

The presence of a huge number of trunks on the hands of the population did not help in any way. Moreover, I would venture to suggest that there were mostly adults in the supermarket, and not children and adolescents. But they could not neutralize the criminal either. This is me for the eternal VO dispute about weapons permits.

[Flooding]

Quote: Lesovik

Moreover, I would venture to suggest that there were mostly adults in the supermarket, and not children and adolescents. But they were also unable to neutralize the criminal.

as you can already see below, supporters of the legalization of short-barrels will always have counterarguments
then they refer to foreign experience "but they have"
then with the same ease they deny him "we are different"

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

The presence of a huge number of trunks on the hands of the population did not help in any way.

And it won't help if you are ready to carry a piece of iron with a kilogram 24/7/365 and moving tactical dashes for a bun or a bottle of beer, reacting to every loud sound with suppression fire to the nearest store, but this is already a shiz, there is a question of possibilities to own a cop or no, someone will warm the soul, "but I have it, and if anything, wow, I'll show them everything." In general, according to Kipling - "For all the questions, we have the answer, we have machine guns, but you do not have them."

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

here is the question of the possibilities to own a COP or not, someone will warm the soul, "but I have it, but what if anything, wow, I'll show them everything

And maybe he will "show" ... The brains will pereklinet and go to "show". And someone will be warmed by the opportunity to ride a tank at rush hour, while others will have a container with sarin in the basement. Well, you never know what can happen in life, but he doesn't have sarin ... In my opinion, ordinary Wishlist should not be taken into account when solving issues related to weapons.

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

In my opinion, ordinary Wishlist should not be taken into account when solving issues related to weapons.

When "Wishlist" will be imposed with responsibility, the "hoteliers" will think 3 times, "Do I need it?"

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

When "Wishlist" will be charged with responsibility,

What do you think, this case in the United States and the tragedy in Perm - in these cases, "hobbyists" were worried about the possible responsibility?

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

What do you think, this case in the United States and the tragedy in Perm - in these cases, "hobbyists" were worried about the possible responsibility?

Will the frostbitten be stopped by something? No firearms? Well, yes, a suicide bomber's belt, a conversation about more or less adequate ones, who have severe pruritus "I want it, I want it!"

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

Will the frostbitten be stopped by something? No firearms? Well yes, the martyr's belt

Is it easier to get it?

Quote: edmed

"Ai want-want!", Well, if you want, then on, but you bear full responsibility for your actions.

Yes, scumbags do not care about responsibility. Which, in fact, all such tragedies prove.

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

Yes, scumbags do not care about responsibility. That, in fact, all such tragedies and I prove

But when a person is on his own wave, it is difficult to explain something to him, well, if the fool would not have a gun, there would be an IED, would it be easier? The question of the trust of the authorities in their people is he, the people, a small child for whom matches are not a toy, or responsible citizens who have taken on the Constitutional Court for themselves more responsibility than those who do not. And let those with the COP run to all instances, wasting time and money proving that they are law-abiding citizens, and after a while they will get tired of it all, but the opportunity will remain.

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

well, if the ridurk didn't have a gun, it would have been an IED

For an IED, you need to have brains and hands are not crooked. And there are far fewer fools with such merits than just fools.

Quote: edmed

The question of trust of the authorities in their people

Not an argument. After all, you can turn it around as a concern for safety. Otherwise, any restriction can be perceived as mistrust of the authorities towards the people. Restrictions on the sale of alcohol, banning drugs, drunk driving, etc. etc.

Quote: edmed

people, little child for whom matches are not a toy

About a year ago a man was driving along the highway to his dacha. With family. Naturally overspeeding (he's not a kid). I got under a mobile camera, I was not too lazy to turn around, drive up to the camera, pull out the barrel, shoot the camera and drive away. Then I decided to go back and take the camera with me. But there they were already waiting for him. Again, the man was on his way to the dacha with his wife and two children. And such cases are not isolated. They tell me a lot of interesting things over a glass of tea. Here are just cases when civilian guns were used to prevent crime, I have not heard

Quote: edmed

And let these cops run to all instances

When you get tired of "running through instances" will start again

Quote: edmed

The question of trust of the authorities in their people

Therefore, if the trunks are allowed, then in addition to responsibility, responsibilities must also be imposed. For example, at any time of the day to appear on a call for police assistance to patrol the streets, help in carrying out the service, be sure to inform the authorities when leaving the place of residence where and for how long., At the place of stay, also come to the police for help. And the authorities should provide at least a couple of such appeals for help to the owners of weapons. Again, suppress the observed violations. And as payment only a certificate for the employer. And it is imperative to inform the employer about such a burden, so that he, too, can decide whether he needs such an employee or not. And for non-fulfillment of such obligations, ask no less strictly than for the unlawful use of weapons. Well, and accordingly, the same organs in this situation will see why the trunk is to a person and withdraw it with bad suspicions. I repeat - this is all for an example. But society is too accustomed to the fact that different rights somehow do not automatically imply the presence of any obligations.
Well, if you really want to "like in Europe", then you need to start with discipline. There it was done with ruthless "every sneeze" fines. In a similar way, you can get the desired result in a maximum of ten years. But the people themselves will not like it in the first place.

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

For an IED, you need to have brains and hands are not crooked. And there are far fewer fools with such merits than just fools.

On this topic, I answered you.

Quote: Lesovik

Otherwise, any restriction can be perceived as mistrust of the authorities towards the people. Restrictions on the sale of alcohol, banning drugs, drunk driving, etc. etc.

Restricting the sale of alcohol , from the beginning we tighten the nuts, then we release them sharply, then we tighten them, what kind of throwing? Drugs, well, this is not the most relevant topic for our powers that be, whose nose is in "coke", but tobacco is a satanic evil. Driving under the "blue" is a crime, but not for judges, prosecutors and other "garbage aristocracy"

Quote: Lesovik

not over a glass of tea they tell a lot of interesting things.

Me too, but how does it turn out that it is not the government that controls these cameras, but some murky private individuals who have an agreement with the government? And as for, well, duck the authorities themselves nurtured - "Achieve success, I have the right"

Quote: Lesovik

Therefore, if the trunks are allowed, then in addition to responsibility, obligations must also be imposed

Finally! For this "plus" from me.

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

just how it turns out that it is not the government that controls these cameras

What's the difference? There are traffic rules, they must be observed. Regardless of whether there is control or not. This is if the driver is a trustworthy citizen, and not a "little child". Do you disagree with me?
In the 20th year, more than 160 million decisions on traffic violations were issued. And these are only recorded violations. As you can see, simple responsibility scares few people.

Quote: edmed

not the most relevant topic for our powers that be

And it's not about power. About people.

Quote: edmed

Finally!

Those. Do you agree that having a weapon should entail not only responsibility, but also a duty?

Quote: edmed

For this "plus"

I do not care.

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

... Do you agree that having a weapon should entail not only responsibility, but also a duty?
Quote: edmed
For this "plus"

I do not care.

Something became sad, I remembered, "And if you were born a baobab ..." and so on. etc.

Quote: Lesovik

Who cares?

Let's arrange private border crossings or frequent customs, what's the difference?

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

Let's arrange private border crossings

Avoiding the answer?

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

Avoiding the answer?

What is it? The fact is that the former cops working at the "atsosige" are capturing both their own and former "brothers", and the young who have the motto "I have the right!" and others looking at this "And we are worse", but where is the power, where are the repressive organs that are able to strip the skin of whoever has it, and piteously bleats when- Well, the roof is worthless, but the fact that he lives in a penthouse and drives a car , yes, then by proxy, but apart from leaky panties, there is nothing to be found for him, how did Mara Bogdasarava pay all the fines? This is the question of power.

[Baron pardus]

Here I am reading such "cerebral excretions" and wonder where you come from. So. People died, tragedy. Now let's see WHAT kills people in Russia the most. Arrow maniacs? Well no. But for some reason, fire-retailers (which is a symptom of a serious sexual disorder according to classical psychology) pay attention only to post-fire. Let's talk about how many people are killed by drivers. And not only the drivers are drunk to the green snake, but just the drivers like that idiot who crushed 3 children because they did not pay attention to the road. How many people are killed by the carriers on negligence due to a devil-may-care attitude? No, Weapon-phobes (again, a symptom of impotence and other sexual deviations), these figures are not of interest. They are interested in a few "maniacs" in their fevered imagination, crowds of maniacs sit at home with pumps and wait for the moment to take to the streets.
Let's look at another aspect - medicine. How many people die in Russia because of the careless attitude of the medical staff, because of the banal lack of an accessible clinic, especially in small towns, because of the lack of equipment, because of the lack of doctors, because of the fake drugs. How many. Yes, more than from the "omnipotent and ubiquitous gunsmiths maniacs." But hysterics with sex disorders are not interested in it ... Horror and NIGHTMARE .. everywhere there are maniacs with weapons and want to kill everyone.
You see, if you have several diseases, they hit a leg, but at the same time you have cirrhosis of the liver and inflammation of the lungs, then you need to treat not the bumped toe on the leg, but inflammation of the lungs and cirrhosis of the liver. So it is in society. It is necessary to work with those problems that KILL the most people: alcoholism, drug addiction, medical service which, to put it mildly, is of poor quality, reckless drivers on the roads. All of them kill at times more people than the notorious "ubiquitous" arrow maniacs. But hysterics with sex disorders are not interested in numbers and facts, they are not creatures of logic and arguments, but of Pavlovian reflexes, they reflect, complex and are led not by facts and logic, but by emotion and their own fears. These are people who, in addition to sex disorders and paranoia, are still afraid of everyone and everything. These are people who like to feel like "vulnerable victims". They are not capable and do not want to do anything, they want the state to control everyone around them, drag them and do not let them go. This is the diagnosis. Psychiatric.

In the United States, by the way, 250000 people are accidentally killed by doctors. By their mistakes, and this is what is RECOGNIZED as a mistake, that is, when the case came to court and the doctor and his lawyer LOST. In the same United States, a firearm has killed 21000 people over the past year. I mean, ALL BANDUGS, ALL mass shootings, ALL accidental weapon killings, taken together, killed 12 times LESS people than medical errors. In 2019, mass shootings / gunfire killed 441 people in the United States. ALL. Drunk drivers have killed over 100000 people in the United States last year. Alcoholism kills 95000 people a year in the United States. By the way, in 2019, 1476 people were killed with KNIVES. I mean, mass executions took THREE TIMES LESS lives than people with an ordinary knife.

But hysterics with psychological and sexual disorders do not care about statistics. It is much easier to yell "Forbid, take away" than to actually solve problems that take at times more lives than maniacs with a firearm. It is difficult to deal with recklessness on the roads (hitting the daughter of some official or "respected person" is fraught - they can give a zvizdyuly, even if she killed 3 children). It is difficult to fight alcoholism, ethnic gangs, drug trafficking, alcoholism, shitty honey service, either give bribes or die in the corridor. It is difficult to deal with fake drugs, with the devil-may-care attitude of doctors and medical staff. Hard. It is much easier to be hysterical and see under every bush a "maniac with a gun"

Treat yourself sir. Psychotherapy will help you overcome your own sexual and psychological phobias and fear of weapons. God created people. And Colonel Colt made us all EQUAL.

[Woodman]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Here I read these "brainwashes" and wonder

You watch your bowel movements.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Treat yourself sir.

And I sincerely wish you the same.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Psychotherapy will help you

Is this by any chance the kind of treatment for which a quarter of a million Americans are sent to another world every year?

Quote: Baron Pardus

Colonel Colt has made us all EQUAL.

I do not know with whom this colonel equated you, but blacks in the states were successfully oppressed until the middle of the last century.

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

Will the frostbitten be stopped by something? No firearms? Well yes, the martyr's belt

Is it easier to get it?

At the end of the 0s, they showed the "Anarchist Cookbook", it was in the public domain, now, if you want and persist, you can find it, the darknet works.

[Woodman]

Quote: edmed

At the end of the 0s, the "Anarchist Cookbook" was shown

It's a pity there are no statistics on how many under-anarchists have been crippled by this book. This is in the event that such a book is at least something worth. I knew a man who, back in Soviet times, played with the "echo of war" as a kid for the sake of pampering and never lived up to gray hair. Disabled.

[edmed]

Quote: Lesovik

It's a pity there are no statistics on how many under-anarchists have been crippled by this book. This is in the event that such a book is at least something worth. I knew a man who, back in Soviet times, played with the "echo of war" as a kid for the sake of pampering and never lived up to gray hair. Disabled.

Quote: Lesovik

This is in the event that such a book is at least something worth

It is worth it, take N-gasoline and a little of what surrounds you and napalm is ready, in Odessa it was done on the knee.

[Baron pardus]

Yes, termite is easy to make. And the usual explosives. And there it is simple. The pot is pulled, half filled with explosives, from above - with ball bearings, bolts and nails, the detonator is down. - with greetings - a PF directional device that can be shoved into a backpack and put ANYWHERE. Naive. And the darknet is not needed. Not very powerful explosives can be made on the knee, as we did in childhood. And to get the chopped nails is a piece of cake. By the way, in China, Muslim Uighurs organize terrorist attacks without firearms, a couple come to a train stop, to schools or kindergartens with machetes and hatchets and let's hack everyone. While the cops arrive - 10-20 corpses. By the way, let us note once again that the last two shootings in Russia were staged not by "nightmarish and terrible Russian nationalists" but by "oppressed and original" Caucasian Muslims.

[edmed]

Quote: Baron Pardus

Naive.

Does not reach, clung to the COP, two sects "nizya-ya!" and "very much!" ...

[vl903]

American way of life!
After the war, we had weapons of automatic mountains under our feet, and this did not even occur to us ...
another signal that the problem is complex and the main point is the psychological health of society

[Flooding]

Quote: vl903

After the war, we had automatic weapons under our feet, and this did not even occur to us.

"this" after the three most bloody wars could not be
if we are talking about mass senseless destruction of people

[Baron pardus]

I'll tell you something else, sir. In the United States, automatic weapons were banned only in 1984. And neither in the 50s, nor in the 60s, nor in the 70s, nor in the 80s, there was simply no such number of murders with the use of firearms compared to what has been happening in the last 20 years. Ask Americans who are now 60 years old. They will tell you, even black ones, that when they were in schools there were fights, but it never occurred to anyone not to get a firearm, to even get a KNIFE. Even in the black region. The problem, not in weapons, but in the fact that the capitalist society, by definition, UNHEALTHY, and the number of mental illnesses will grow and grow and grow. By the way, one of the consequences of competition and the crazy pace of life in the United States is emotional burnout. A person becomes just a mechanism, even at work he does everything purely mechanically, and LOSES empathy, loses emotional connection with other people and ... STOPS SEEING THEM AS PEOPLE, AS LIKE YOURSELF. Well, since they are "non-human", "biological garbage", "not like you", "a hindrance in life and competitors", then it is very easy to kill them.

[vl903]

you confirm my thoughts that in the first place is the psychological health of society.
Perhaps the Cold War gave goals to the American society and allowed explaining the shortcomings and it was psychologically easier for people to live until 1984?

[Baron pardus]

I don't think the Cold War was the cause of a healthy society. Then, the capitalists artificially created a fairly prosperous middle class. Then more manners, concepts, traditions and morality were not declared "obsolete vestiges of the past" then, believe me, there were both morality and concepts. Even the black family EXISTED then before the welfer completely destroyed it. Then, then, employees could impress their boss with their erudition and count on a promotion. Look at the photographs from the 80s, 70s, and especially the 60s, how did people dress even going to the supermarket? Neat, tidy. Now - yes even in pants from pajamas with traces of urine and shit. He's a mess in HEADS. When the cry “Who are you to blame or reproach me for my behavior” was pushed to the masses, this was the beginning of the destruction of the CONSTITUTIONS of society. Societies are not based on the constitution, and not on the criminal and tax codes. They stand on NORMS, MORALS, TRADITIONS, CONCEPTS, (Norms, mores, folkways and traditions). Take them away (which is what the American Society did) and the society WILL COVER (which is what we observe). Keep in mind that until a certain time, megacorporations were extremely limited in their influence on politics. Reagan (the earth is glass wool), removed these restrictions. And the founding fathers warned "The intervention of bankers and big businessmen in the political arena is the right way to lose the Republic and democracy" The Great Hayk said the same thing.
In the same 80s and even early 90s, with the "performers" of the gangster rap, no one would have sat in the restroom nearby, but now they are "unique creative personalities" I repeat - the destruction of the BASES of society. Read the literature of those times, even watch television programs. The people behave rather restrainedly, there is practically no swearing on TV. They speak quite culturally. Even in police dramas like Columbo. And now, on TV in the same police drama NCIS - dismemberment is the norm. They are shown in close-up, and the characters are eating bumblebees and making greasy jokes. It's just that society got sick. Take away the pillars of society and society will fall. Which is what we observe. In our society, up to a quarter of the population is not sure what gender they are. And dofiga are not sure whether they are people or "freedom-loving animals in the body of people." Psychosis is a contagious disease. Seeing how one person goes crazy, and nothing happens to him for this, on the other hand he is extolled as a "unique unique personality" 10 people ask, "What is so possible?" And the brakes are released. By abolishing social consequences for behavior not approved by society, they laid a sickly face.
Although an EXTERNAL ENEMY is a useful thing, the elites shout to us that they are around, they say, there are only external enemies, and China, and Iran, and Russia, but society has reached the point that even external enemies do not hold us as a SOCIETY. 8 years of Obama's rule dealt such a blow to the country (and it was he who sowed the seeds of today's chaos) that it’s just akhtung.

[vl903]

Quote: Baron Pardus

I don't think the Cold War was the cause of a healthy society. Then, the capitalists artificially created a fairly prosperous middle class. Then more manners, concepts, traditions and morality were not declared "obsolete vestiges of the past" then, believe me, there were both morality and concepts. Even the black family EXISTED then before the welfer completely destroyed it. Then, then, employees could impress their boss with their erudition and count on a promotion. Look at the photographs from the 80s, 70s, and especially the 60s, how did people dress even going to the supermarket? Neat, tidy. Now - yes even in pants from pajamas with traces of urine and shit. He's a mess in HEADS. When the cry “Who are you to blame or reproach me for my behavior” was pushed to the masses, this was the beginning of the destruction of the CONSTITUTIONS of society. Societies are not based on the constitution, and not on the criminal and tax codes. They stand on NORMS, MORALS, TRADITIONS, CONCEPTS, (Norms, mores, folkways and traditions). Take them away (which is what the American Society did) and the society WILL COVER (which is what we observe). Keep in mind that until a certain time, megacorporations were extremely limited in their influence on politics. Reagan (the earth is glass wool), removed these restrictions. And the founding fathers warned "The intervention of bankers and big businessmen in the political arena is the right way to lose the Republic and democracy" The Great Hayk said the same thing.
In the same 80s and even early 90s, with the "performers" of the gangster rap, no one would have sat in the restroom nearby, but now they are "unique creative personalities" I repeat - the destruction of the BASES of society. Read the literature of those times, even watch television programs. The people behave rather restrainedly, there is practically no swearing on TV. They speak quite culturally. Even in police dramas like Columbo. And now, on TV in the same police drama NCIS - dismemberment is the norm. They are shown in close-up, and the characters are eating bumblebees and making greasy jokes. It's just that society got sick. Take away the pillars of society and society will fall. Which is what we observe. In our society, up to a quarter of the population is not sure what gender they are. And dofiga are not sure whether they are people or "freedom-loving animals in the body of people." Psychosis is a contagious disease. Seeing how one person goes crazy, and nothing happens to him for this, on the other hand he is extolled as a "unique unique personality" 10 people ask, "What is so possible?" And the brakes are released. By abolishing social consequences for behavior not approved by society, they laid a sickly face.
Although an EXTERNAL ENEMY is a useful thing, the elites shout to us that they are around, they say, there are only external enemies, and China, and Iran, and Russia, but society has reached the point that even external enemies do not hold us as a SOCIETY. 8 years of Obama's rule dealt such a blow to the country (and it was he who sowed the seeds of today's chaos) that it’s just akhtung.

unfortunately, the same processes begin in the Russian Federation ... accordingly, the consequences will be the same ...

[Baron pardus]

The worst thing is that in the 60s 70s 80s when it was much easier to acquire weapons. I repeat, until 1984, it was possible to have machine guns (they were bought a little, since most of the shooting galleries did not allow machine-gun firing), but there were DIFFERENTLY fewer mass shootings. Moreover. Until 1968 it was even possible to buy artillery with a caliber OVER 12.7. No special license. And you know, no one drove out in a truck with a 20mm cannon mounted on it, and did not rob banks and did not arrange mass executions. Simply DESTRUCTION of the moral and social pillars of society in English they are called: norms, mores, folkways and traditions, naturally the beginning of the collapse of society. Remove morality and ethics from society and you will destroy society. What happened with us, and what is happening with you. You still have nothing. Most of the people in your country know they are a man or a woman. But in our country already 20 percent of the population do not know.

[vl903]

Quote: Baron Pardus

The worst thing is that in the 60s 70s 80s when it was much easier to acquire weapons. I repeat, until 1984, it was possible to have machine guns (they were bought a little, since most of the shooting galleries did not allow machine-gun firing), but there were DIFFERENTLY fewer mass shootings. Moreover. Until 1968 it was even possible to buy artillery with a caliber OVER 12.7. No special license. And you know, no one drove out in a truck with a 20mm cannon mounted on it, and did not rob banks and did not arrange mass executions. Simply DESTRUCTION of the moral and social pillars of society in English they are called: norms, mores, folkways and traditions, naturally the beginning of the collapse of society. Remove morality and ethics from society and you will destroy society. What happened with us, and what is happening with you. You still have nothing. Most of the people in your country know they are a man or a woman. But in our country already 20 percent of the population do not know.

sad that's all

[Baron pardus]

I, Sir, will tell you something else. In the US in the 60s-90s, a LOT of action films were shown, from Westerns (which were not declared racist) to war films. For example "Big Red One" or "Dirty Dozen", and there are a lot of them. And for some reason, when the militants were constantly spinning, and toy stores were bursting with toy weapons, there were NO mass shootings, or rather there were, but several times less. And if possible, it is LEGAL to acquire automatic weapons (permits were needed, but they were not very difficult to obtain) and even heavy weapons. For example, my FORMER neighbor had a 57mm anti-tank gun. Why did he need her? And shob bulo. I wanted and bought it. And in the 60s it was possible to buy a decommissioned recoilless vehicle. What for? Another question. Where are you going to shoot from it? Your problems. And NOBODY mounted quad machine guns in the back of a pickup truck and did not arrange executions. And NOBODY rolled up to a can with a gun and robbed it. Society in the United States was DIFFERENT. Were there any psychos? And they were even under Stalin. Were there killer maniacs? Of course there were, I repeat, even under Stalin there was some kind of teenage boy who killed children. But the society was MUCH healthier. There were concepts, there were norms, and mores of behavior. Hippies began to destroy them with their propaganda of permissiveness. and screeching "Who are you to judge my behavior." Well, then the snowball effect went. Even when I arrived in the United States, no one even went to the lousy Walmart in pajamas with traces of urine and shit on it. Moreover, if such a person had come, they would simply NOT LET him. And now it is the norm. To the screeching "Who are you to judge me." And since there is no morality, and since there are no concepts and morals, then there is no society either. Add to this the CRAZY competition of the post-industrial society. Add to this complete social isolation (In the 70s-60s, Americans lived like we did in the 60s-80s, they went to visit each other, it was easy, the children played on the streets, talked to each other, I still found this when I arrived at 91m). which reigned in our society in 2000. The funny thing is that the famous Alice Cooper wrote "We are clones and we are all alone" long before that. a Slayer, wrote about "social damnation and your own reality" in the late 80s. That is, the musicians SEEN where society was heading and warned about it. And not only them.
But we came where we came. You, in Russia, when the collapse of capitalist society and morality began in the United States, when the American Dream began to die, you HAD a chance to avoid it. But you wanted to live "under freedom and capitalism", "like in America"
About the American dream. Back in the 60s, a worker at a factory could easily support his family, save up for a down payment for a house in the suburbs in a year (20% of the cost). These houses are still standing. They are easy to recognize. - GARAGE for one car. That is, it is calculated that one person will go to work. In the 80s, this opportunity was no longer there. Which did not have a very good effect on the health of society. You need to run to stay put. Although the MINIMUM salary has almost doubled, the AVERAGE salary has grown by 50% from 21000 to 31000. But the prices for everything have grown at least 2-3 times. The prices for EDUCATION have grown 6-8 times. That is, the chances of breaking through to the top are MUCH less. We were told back in college - you are the FIRST of the next at least 10 generations that, on average, will NEVER reach the material level of your parents.
By the way, they ask why the Americans go to the Army if there is no draft. But because a year of study at the STATE University of Wisconsin in Milouki costs $ 9000. This is WITHOUT the cost of textbooks, and other additional costs. And in Wisconsin, education is still inexpensive. In Illinois - neighboring state, $ 15000 a year at the SAME State University. All this creates a GREAT pressure on the psyche, and in view of social isolation, the people just go crazy. And people STOP seeing other people as people. These are competitors, hindrance, gnawing and multiplying protoplasm (Don Rumata), biological waste, etc. And, of course, the next step is to reduce the number of subhumans. Even at the cost of your own life. And the maniacs honestly think "I will trade one, all that good of myself for 20-50 subhumans and I will make the world a better place."

[vl903]

yes, old American films practically did not differ from ours of the same period, heroes and values ​​were normal ...
Yes, and our people did not want this perestroika, but Gorbachev's riffraff from all television screens twisted propaganda of a pseudo-American way of life into their ears

[Baron pardus]

At one time there was a film "Dirty Dozen", where my beloved Charles Bronson played the lead role. The meaning of the film, a bunch of ZK, and SMALL ZK, not murderers or rapists. They gave a chance to get freedom ahead of schedule. Namely, as a sabotage group abandoned in the German rear. Well, then, from the group, one person survives, emnip. Big Red One isn't too glamorous either. When I arrived there was a series called Black Sheep Squadron, about USMC fighter pilots during World War II. I dabbled in this series, there were not drawn but REAL F4U Corsairs flying there. Of course, the series is a little naive, childish. But even there, losses and death were shown. Well, there was a humor. "Colonel, how can you allow this loser to fly, he has already crashed 5 fighters during landing." "Of course, I allow him to fly, he has already crashed 5 of our fighters, the Japanese Air Force would have given him a reward for that" :-)
Well, in Westerns. Note that the GG, or even the Antihero, takes out the tapestry only when he has BANALLY NO OTHER CHOICE. And "with concepts" and even an antihero with a certain "moral code".
Even in Charles Bronson's Death Wish films, he goes to crack down on the murderers of the family because the system of those murderers HAS BEEN BLINDED. Not because he likes to kill. Moreover, when the tracker comes to him, he UNDERSTANDS him HUMANLY and gives him time to escape.
By the way, in the same films, the mock religiosity of bandits is shown (by the way, the same as that of bandits in Russia). Having caught some mex, Bronson pulls out a pistol, the mex begins to cry and pray. Bronson notices a crucifix on his chest. “Do you believe in Jesus?” He asks. Mex, thinking that he will now be released (and this mex was one of those who raped and killed the daughter of GG), begins to smile and nod. “Okay, you'll see him soon,” Bronson says, and a shot rings out.
By the way, THEN in the films dismembered and blood was not shown (except in horror films, but not in action films). Now it's easy. It also desensitizes people and completely kills empathy and empathy. Gore and dismemberment have become commonplace.

That is, in films, people had HONOR, concepts, and a moral core. On this and brought up. Well, now morality and concepts have simply been REMOVED. For "there is no universal morality."
The only normal country in the world is China. There, films still promote the same values ​​that were promoted in the USSR and the USA in the 60s-90s. "Of all types of arts, the most important thing for us is Cinema"

[Sentinel-vs]

Will the apologists of the short-barreled comment?
"Where it is allowed to wear a short barrel, this will not happen, because the criminals know that they will be rebuffed!" "And if it happens, the armed citizens themselves will quickly neutralize the criminal !!!"
It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Sentinel-vs

Will the apologists of the short-barreled comment?

If I were you, I would not expect intelligible explanations from them
just minus

[Nexcom]

just like that - when there is essentially nothing to argue - they just start to minus

[AUL]

Are you sure that "And if it happens, then the armed citizens themselves will quickly neutralize the criminal !!!" then the message about this will get into our official media? This would be "ideologically wrong"!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote from AUL

Are you sure that "And if it happens, then the armed citizens themselves will quickly neutralize the criminal !!!" then the message about this will get into our official media?

Well, it will get into the unofficial ones. YouTube, for example. In the modern world, you cannot hide an informational awl in any bag.

[AUL]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Well, it will get into the unofficial ones. YouTube, for example.

https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-41831639
http://www.diveevo-adm.ru/zaderzhan-i-obezvrezhen/
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/27202991.html
https://www.tyuiu.ru/headline-2007-04-26-5332881835-5332881835/?lang=de

[vl903]

yes they will comment.
1 in terms of the level of democracy we are up to the states as to the moon, with all their disadvantages, and not least here, the citizens cannot yet take away their weapons.
2.In this situation, it did not work out, but we and they have a lot of cases when citizens left a maniac to a mass murder, only they do not get it into the media because usually, but we also put a person in the subway - a girl in the subway, an old man in Siberia
3. You are trying to simplify everything and hide your head in the sand - psychos have been and will be. weapons, not necessarily small arms, can use poisons and trucks and explosives.
just like with covid, we cannot ban everyone, not let everyone in - you cannot stop life, you can only worsen it for yourself.
4. People should stop being infattile, and weapons are an important part here personally.
5 education of young people and the mental health of society, the right goals and values ​​- this should be done and not a sale at bargain prices of oil and gas until they have moved from the trough.
instead of injuries, you need to give a short trunk, the rest is all the infatility of society.
6. it is possible to keep a dossier from school for everyone on the subject of adequacy, now this is not a problem.
7. no need to simplify and no need to think that sooner or later a psycho or a criminal will not come to you ... he will come ..
8.One and big, of course, minus short-barreled is that now the policeman comes up to us with a gun in a holster, and so he will first take aim, and then come ... and of course there will be accidents ...
which is worse which is better, we need independent, taking into account all the research factors, but there is no trust in our government and the media - one lie ...
but I believe in my gun ...

[Flooding]

Quote: vl903

People should stop being infattile, and weapons are an important part here personally.

infantilism is, first of all, irresponsibility
which we look at from different positions
some say: it is irresponsible to arm society, not understanding all the consequences
others say: a weapon is a responsibility, believing that having armed an infantile person will transform into a mature individual

[vl903]

Quote: Flood

Quote: vl903

People should stop being infattile, and weapons are an important part here personally.

infantilism is, first of all, irresponsibility
which we look at from different positions
some say: it is irresponsible to arm society, not understanding all the consequences
others say: a weapon is a responsibility, believing that having armed an infantile person will transform into a mature individual

agree

[Flooding]

Quote: vl903

education of young people and the mental health of society, the right goals and values ​​- this should be done and not a sale at bargain prices of oil and gas until they have moved from the trough.
instead of injuries, you need to give a short trunk, the rest is all the infatility of society

as they say, they started for health, and finished for peace
education of youth? a hundred times YES
but where does the short-barreled?
elementary traffic rules are not enforced en masse, violations of which lead to thousands of victims
but you see the solution to the issue of the culture of society in its armament

[vl903]

Quote: Flood

Quote: vl903

education of young people and the mental health of society, the right goals and values ​​- this should be done and not a sale at bargain prices of oil and gas until they have moved from the trough.
instead of injuries, you need to give a short trunk, the rest is all the infatility of society

as they say, they started for health, and finished for peace
education of youth? a hundred times YES
but where does the short-barreled?
elementary traffic rules are not enforced en masse, violations of which lead to thousands of victims
but you see the solution to the issue of the culture of society in its armament

this is part of upbringing - a boy should know from childhood that we kill animals for our lives, we kill enemies, we kill criminals, so that they do not spoil our life, that life is the greatest value on earth, that it is very fragile, that every bastard on earth to Unfortunately, it is complete, and sooner or later he will have to protect life from it, but it is important not to make a mistake, and not to kill a classmate or a pedestrian in a youth fight with a car, but the enemy must and must, however, if this is not in war, then most likely they will go to jail.
in general, what would I have looked at life without rose-colored glasses and especially did not hope for the police, because they are not gods ...

[Flooding]

everything you wrote sounds very nice
and in this we agree with you
and in any case, you need to start from young nails, from school
that is, in the first place the educational process
not weapon paraphernalia
and no matter how it is necessary to educate educators in the first place

[vl903]

absolutely right, education comes first ...
if you give everyone a weapon or take everything away from everyone, this will not solve the problem ...
I deeply do not understand those who are for full permission (although I have not met such people, everything is just for replacing the trauma with a pistol), so those who faint from one word, a weapon or a knife ...

[Woodman]

At the moment, the possible motives of the attacks are being checked and the identity of the shooter is being established. It is also established whether he was not an employee of this outlet.

It is known that the offender drove up to the supermarket building by car.

In the states, when obtaining a driver's license, it is mandatory to take fingerprints. The beacon of democracy, however. So there will be no problems with the identification of the identity.

[Klio2]

Always, something happens for the first time.
For the first time the tempter pushed the serpent to sin, and now the sinless cannot be found. Someone, somewhere, even sinned.
So it is in America: for the first time someone has shot at innocent people, and now it is not surprising.
Now just hope that the psychos won't get to our "Pyaterochka"
PS.
We already know each other: I'm Katya

[savage1976]

I read and wonder at the thought process in the minds of many site visitors. "The COP is allowed, it couldn't be. Where are the apologists for the COP?" this is from the same opera that a meteorite cannot fall if a law prohibiting a meteorite from falling to the ground is passed. That is, the amoeba will give odds to the critical thinking of such people. And the apologists of the COP will answer as follows, according to the prohibitors of the COP, there the owners of the COP should have been in a panic and not being able to handle the COP to overwhelm each other, the attacker had to get a dozen more trunks at his disposal and overhaul all the police who came to leave. But in fact, one dead, 14 wounded, this is not 6 dead and 43 with injuries. and the owners of the cops didn't shoot each other for some reason.

[vl903]

have already explained - this store is a weapon-free zone ... maniacs are drawn there ... they are not drawn to attack the army, for example ...

[edmed]

Quote: Klio2

Now just hope that the psychos won't get to our "Pyaterochka"

Have you already forgotten Evsyukov?

[DmSol]

There is a good fresh movie on the topic of weapons and their use. Knights of Justice are called.

[savage1976]

They say the lack of ideology, upbringing, unsettled life, instability, stress are all to blame and the solution of problems is prohibited, toughened up, and everyone is imprisoned. That was the best country in which this could never be, let's see what happened.
On December 26, 1980, there was a murder on Zhdanovskaya, and they say the police were popular, they cared about the welfare, this is the face of the era.
February 11, 1958 pos. Lyamino, Perm region, Komsomol member, secretary of the Komsomol organization 15 murders.
1950 Moldova s. Gisk a homemade bomb in an educational institution of 21 children and 2 teachers.
1968, shooting at the station square of Kursk, 13 killed, 11 wounded.
1976, Estonia, Letipea village, 8 killed, 14 wounded.
1971 bus explosion in Krasnodar, 10 dead.
February 22, 1973 Otradnoye of the Samara region, again employees of the people's militia killed 11, wounded 5 people.
This is only from well-known cases, and how many are unknown for reasons of secret or lack of the Internet !? I only agree that mass coverage of such cases gives rise to imitators, but this does not negate the fact that such tragedies have occurred at all times and under any system and with any upbringing.

[vl903]

Quote: savage1976

They say the lack of ideology, upbringing, unsettled life, instability, stress are all to blame and the solution of problems is prohibited, toughened up, and everyone is imprisoned. That was the best country in which this could never be, let's see what happened.
On December 26, 1980, there was a murder on Zhdanovskaya, and they say the police were popular, they cared about the welfare, this is the face of the era.
February 11, 1958 pos. Lyamino, Perm region, Komsomol member, secretary of the Komsomol organization 15 murders.
1950 Moldova s. Gisk a homemade bomb in an educational institution of 21 children and 2 teachers.
1968, shooting at the station square of Kursk, 13 killed, 11 wounded.
1976, Estonia, Letipea village, 8 killed, 14 wounded.
1971 bus explosion in Krasnodar, 10 dead.
February 22, 1973 Otradnoye of the Samara region, again employees of the people's militia killed 11, wounded 5 people.
This is only from well-known cases, and how many are unknown for reasons of secret or lack of the Internet !? I only agree that mass coverage of such cases gives rise to imitators, but this does not negate the fact that such tragedies have occurred at all times and under any system and with any upbringing.

Voooot !!!
I’m saying, you don’t need to simplify the problem, you need to approach it comprehensively.
psychos and criminals will always be, their number can only be tried to reduce.
life cannot be stopped and thoughtless prohibitions will only worsen it --- an example of zero ppm of alcohol in blood ...
but from our deputies, I expect only populism - to ban everything and punish the police and to every security establishment and to every bus stop, etc.

[tihonmarine]

A terrible thing has happened. One person died, 14 were injured as a result of shooting in a supermarket. This has never happened in our city.

I forgot the smoking room, and if you remember, Martin Luther King, an American human rights activist, was killed in Memphis, Tennessee, on April 4, 1968, at the age of 39.

[Retvizan 8]

There are undoubtedly many neurostenics; it is another matter of reasons for such a person to go crazy in modern societies.
Now in the trend are various epotage antics, plus in the media people are primarily interested in incidents, scandals, negativity ...

[Sands Careers General]

That is where these Dodiks come from, who are organizing a massacre by shooting civilians?
Are they assembled at a special factory on special order?

[Nikolaevich I]

I work in the police and have never encountered anything like it. Well, yes ... "it never happened and now again!" ...

[Normann]

It would be strange if the person at whom they open fire stood and waited.

[Nikolay Sayenko]

what Chernomyrin said, never happened and now again!