Location of Ka-27 helicopter wreckage on Kamchatka Peninsula named

It is reported about the discovery of the wreckage of the Ka-27 helicopter, which disappeared in the dark on the Kamchatka Peninsula. The Ka-27 is a shipborne anti-submarine helicopter, which in Russia is in service with several security agencies - both the Armed Forces and, for example, the FSB Border Service.

Initially, it was reported that the helicopter could make a "hard landing" in the area of ​​Mount Ostroy. The very interpretation of "hard landing" has recently become actively used even in cases when there is a real fall of one or another rotorcraft.

By morning (Moscow time) it became known that the helicopter wreckage had been found by representatives of the search brigades (according to the latest data, from the air).

These fragments are located on one of the slopes (southern) of the mentioned mountain - Ostroy, at an altitude of about 1 km above sea level.

Initially, it was reported that the helicopter took off at approximately 22:10 local time. After some time, there were reports that the crew had ceased to maintain contact with the ground.

It is known that there were three people on board the Ka-27. At the moment, their fate has not been reported. Searches are in progress. They are complicated by the fact that the area where the wreckage was found is difficult to access.

It is also necessary to establish the reasons for the fall of the helicopter. According to one version, the helicopter crashed into a mountain in poor visibility conditions.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Poor visibility, difficult terrain ... sorry for the crew. If the car crashes into a slope, they have little chance.

[Finches]

And where did it take him at 22.10?

[YOUR]

The crew that flew of their own accord, gave the command and go ahead.
But it is annoying and very strong, the last months are too much about the falls of LA.

[Finches]

Vooot! It is also necessary to figure out who gave, why gave ...

[75 Sergey]

Like a military all-weather vehicle, isn't it?

[Looking for]

all the more. Or by the handle. What was a dilettante or an ignoramus?

[YOUR]

There is someone to figure it out. Now the commission is shaking everything and everyone and overturning that it was necessary to send a plane into the night.

[bayard]

Quote: Finches

Vooot! It is also necessary to figure out who gave, why gave ...

This is a helicopter of the FSB border service, it could have been a planned flight, it could have been raised on alarm.

[zadorin1974]

Yesterday in Izhevsk, an ambulance helicopter crashed on the territory of the RSC.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: zadorin1974

Yesterday in Izhevsk, an ambulance helicopter crashed on the territory of the RSC.

Everyone knows what the RCH is, even schoolchildren.

[Region-25.rus]

What is RCH is known to everyone, even schoolchildren

- "Do you know what RCH is? No! - Here I am not. But it sounds cool!"

[mvg]

this RSC is known to everyone

I won't be original if it's a district hospital. They, recently, have been seconded to rotary-wing cars. I judge by my own.

[DenVB]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: zadorin1974

Yesterday in Izhevsk, an ambulance helicopter crashed on the territory of the RSC.

Everyone knows what the RCH is, even schoolchildren.

RCH - Republican Clinical Hospital. The largest medical institution in the Udmurt Republic.

[alexmach]

Clinical Hospital? .. District Hospital?

[zadorin1974]

Republican clinical. A helicopter with a patient fell on the roof of the hull.

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

And where did it take him at 22.10?

Where ordered

[Finches]

We flew for vodka ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

We flew for vodka ...

Maybe so

[bayard]

Border guards flew there, maybe a planned flight, maybe on call. There are now fogs, low clouds, squally gusts of wind, and the hills are an insidious thing ... all the more, they crashed at an altitude of 1 km. ... apparently there was no radar lighting, otherwise the navigator would have been prompted. The absence of a continuous radar field in the border zone is fraught.
And at night, border guards often fly, in my time they flew like that ... but I don't remember any accidents or disasters with them, although there was a mountainous area.

[Looking for]

Isn't the navigator included in the crew of this type of helicopter?

[bayard]

I'm talking about ground navigators who prompt the crew, observing it locally from the remote indicator \ now - the monitor screen, prompting them their location and taking them under external control (command) if necessary. All grief, hills and other elements of the landscape are well known to the navigators. And these may have been flying along the G-Pi-es (or Glogas) and misrepresented their location, or perhaps they wanted to fly over the mountain (after all, the collision took place at an altitude of 1 km.), And perhaps they were looking for someone on the slope, they could pick up whoever they wanted ... The FSB was impatient at night.
But the fact that something needs to be done URGENTLY to ensure flight safety is an obvious fact.

[Looking for]

Yes, enough justifiable reasons to look for !!! We must face the truth - the human factor is off scale.

[Doccor18]

August replaced September ...
Let's hope for the best.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Yes. You need to believe. Sometimes, as opposed to common sense. But miracles, all the same, sometimes happen ...

[Nexcom]

just some kind of horror going on, planes and helicopters fall one after another. in Perm the tragedy happened. what is it going on then? one misfortune after another ... like some kind of curse ...

[Runoway]

damn it ...

In this matter, the "curse" does not have a mythical nature, and it has been with us for a long time, and in many areas, it is not customary to simply speak openly about it.
The resource, although laid with a huge reserve, but the years take their toll, improper maintenance and service, alas, does not forgive mistakes

[EvilLion]

Yes, yes, when a new Su-35 is being crushed or something crashes into a mountain, this is the resource to blame. Who else. This is despite the fact that the Soviet technology has long been almost all written off.

[Runoway]

inadequate maintenance and service

Read carefully!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Runoway

The resource, although laid with a huge reserve, but the years take their toll, improper maintenance and service, alas, does not forgive mistakes

According to statistics, the causes of accidents are distributed as follows:
• Crew errors — 50% (including):
- unprovoked crew errors - 29%,
- crew errors caused by adverse weather conditions - 16%,
- crew errors caused by equipment failures - 5%.

• Aircraft failures - 22%.
• Weather conditions - 12%.
• Terrorism - 9%.
• Errors of ground personnel (air traffic controllers, aircraft technicians, etc.) - 7%.
• Other reasons - 1%.

[bayard]

Quote: Runoway

The resource, although laid with a huge reserve, but the years take their toll

The helicopter crashed into a mountain at an altitude of 1 km. , so not the technical condition, but apparently poor visibility and lack of radar support, otherwise the navigator would not have been taken to the mountain.
In my time, there was a case when the first batch of MiG-29s was ferried to Iran, at night, the last pair (of 12 aircraft) crashed into the mountain - incorrect calculation of the glide path in an unfamiliar area - there is a mountain north of Tehran.

[karimx2]

Quote: Nexcom

just some kind of horror going on, planes and helicopters fall one after another. in Perm the tragedy happened. what is it going on then? one misfortune after another ... like some kind of curse ...

Not a curse. It’s just a systemic crisis, which, for example, in the housing and utilities sector for the last few years, has now reached the aviation industry. It's only the beginning...

[Two]

Until now, the emphasis is on visual flights. Flights in conditions of poor or "zero" visibility pass at random. So we fall ("sit down hard").

[Vladimir61]

It is known that there were three people on board the Ka-27. At the moment, their fate has not been reported. Searches are in progress.

Hope dies last. Everyone wants to hope for a better outcome.
In general, this is already an almost predictable, annual black streak for our aviation - quietly, quietly, and then, one catastrophe after another. If the equipment is worn out, it is necessary to introduce regulatory restrictions, up to the prohibition of flights, both completely and under certain conditions. Poor visibility, difficult terrain, yes, you can't go anywhere, but it is possible and necessary to provide for the installation of modern navigation equipment. We declare that soon cars without a driver will run along the roads, while in aviation the flight crew, in difficult conditions, flies with "closed" eyes. People, qualifications of specialists and flight safety must be put first - without any conditions or deviations.

[From Tomsk]

They fall more often than they manage to build.

[Vadim237]

Several dozen helicopters are handed over a year.

[impostor]

With flyers and equipment, everything is fine, but with GPS something is wrong

[Dikson]

Maybe it's enough to fly on smartphones and the enemy GPS system, eh? And that's enough to call disasters and aircraft crashes smoothly and tolerantly "hard landings", mass shootings - "sounds like gunshots", and gas explosions in residential buildings - "pops"? .. also call it applause ... Again they will write - the human factor. At this rate - who will fly? After all, everyone will beat ...

[Looking for]

just one day they will refuse to sit in their chairs and quit.

[Remo]

To stop flying on smartphones and GPS, you need to get something of your own, not inferior to foreign ones. We have, of course, something of our own, but in comparison with GPS it is more difficult and inconvenient to use and not so informative equipment. In civil aviation, for example, iPads are officially used, because they are easy to use, informative and through special programs pilots receive all the necessary aeronautical information. Some of the guys probably had a non-standard navigation tool, but something went wrong. Americans can turn off the GPS signal in any area or distort it if they need to

[Dikson]

Well, of course .. And such a good and well-oiled system like GLONASS, which is shoved into all sprinklers and city buses, is it not capable of anything else? And what about the newly adopted law banning foreign computers and software in government agencies? And the enemy's iPad at the right moment takes and turns off itself .. or just his "software update" starts .. - and you were impatient to sit down .. - so they arrived .... ((One gets the feeling that in the absence of landing systems, driving poppies and RSP systems, our aviation, as at the beginning of the last century, flies along a pack of Belomor .. Whatever news about the catastrophe, then they missed the runway, went below the minimum, did not see the hill .. There were no instruments left in the cockpits, except iPads and smartphones? A very sad picture ...

[Remo]

Correctly said: "on a pack of Belomor"))) So you have to make a choice in favor of a foreign gadget in order for the result to be. I think they probably had a regular BMS (ours, which can use both GLONASS and GPS by choice or together at once. But this machine, with all its advantages, is not so good and convenient to use on a helicopter.

[avia12005]

In the USSR, there was the Flight Safety Service, whose powers extended to all departments using aviation. Now this is no longer there. And this is one of the reasons for so many disasters.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

Now this is not.

There is such a service now, how could it be without them.
About accidents in the Soviet Air Force:
- the fall of the Tu-16 on the barracks, dozens of killed
- the fall of the An-24 in a kindergarten, dozens of children killed
- the plane crashed into the factory entrance, dozens of killed
- the Tu-104 disaster, the death of the entire aviation leadership of the Pacific Fleet
- the disaster of 3 Su-15s in Klin, all the falls occurred within 8 minutes, on the landing course, one grandfather was killed on the ground.
- An-8 disaster, dozens of killed, flew with the Komsomol. conference, the plane fell into the sea.
- the disaster of 2 Su-24 in the 89th regiment in one regimental sortie, in both cases collided with the ground due to loss of altitude control.
And so on - accidents, falls, disasters, a continuous series, where did the Soviet flight safety service look?

[ODERVIT]

I agree completely. They lost up to a hundred liters a year.
The difference is in one thing, on the Internet.
We wish to find the pilots alive.

[Zaurbek]

Maybe if the equipment is equipped with systems for poor visibility (IR and Radar), this will decrease? And where can the UAV be sent instead of a helicopter with 3 people?

[bober1982]

Quote: Zaurbek

Maybe if the equipment is equipped with systems for poor visibility (IR and Radar)

So in fact and so equipped, much more.
There are such concepts as: ground training, preliminary training, readiness control, flight mission, flight rules, instructions, manuals, manuals, duties.
Somewhere there is a failure, violated, as a result of an accident or disaster.

[avia12005]

I am not talking about that. Nobody argues with you. I'm talking about the flight safety work. Catastrophe disaster strife. Flight in meteorological conditions for which the crew is not prepared, for example. Your examples are not about that.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

Flight in meteorological conditions for which the crew is not prepared, for example

Why climb? If not ready.

[avia12005]

This is another question.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

This is another question.

I agree

[avia12005]

During the years of my service in the Air Force, there were many cases when either the command gave the go-ahead to take off in adverse weather conditions, or the crew commander himself made a decision, violating the requirements of the governing documents and overestimating his training. Will carry, they say. Happened that carried. Sometimes - no. Pilots don't die, they fly away forever. Rest in peace...

[bober1982]

During the years of my service in the Air Force, I did not know a single case when the command gave the go-ahead for a flight to those who were not ready for difficult weather conditions, since it was tantamount to suicide for them.
When the crew violated the requirements of the governing documents - all the time and, he himself violated, all the time.
There are a lot of special cases in the air, sometimes there is nowhere to go and, you have to go for a violation.

[avia12005]

An example of many is the An-12 disaster in Bad in 1994. Good from the command post of the air army was for landing, and the meteorological conditions did not correspond to the minimum of the commander.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

the An-12 disaster in Bad in 1994.

As a result, the leadership of the Dzhida regiment (Su-24) and the Dzhida division (Su-24), almost in full force, perished.
No one can order the crew commander, no command post of the Air Army, the commander himself makes a decision.
During the landing approach, the crew dodged on the landing course, the crew commander and navigator were young (the Kingdom of Heaven for all), the weather conditions were difficult, the approach to Bad was difficult, there was a mountain nearby, there was no spare.

[avia12005]

The control panel gives or does not give permission for take-off and landing. The commander makes a decision based on them.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

The control panel gives or does not give permission for take-off and landing.

Command post of the Air Army?

[avia12005]

In 1994 it was that way.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

it was that way.

Not certainly in that way.
Everything was very confusing there, and even after the plane crashed, a small group of officers rolled head over heels from the "tower" and fled in an unknown direction.
No KP VA controls flights, even in 1994, when everything and everything collapsed.
And, no one can force you to sit down if you are not ready.

[avia12005]

I'm telling you specifically about the obligations of KP 23 VA according to NPP-78. Shake the old days and remember. And then at the command post in Bad, in addition to the leadership group, there was the commander of the AP. The "group of officers" were those who were supposed to fly further to the military council in Domna. And they had nothing to do with what happened.

[bober1982]

Quote: avia12005

And they had nothing to do with what happened

We talk about different groups.
On the tower were, including, from the headquarters of the VA, in short.

[avia12005]

I don’t remember that.

[EvilLion]

That is, the elimination of this service has reduced the accident rate at times? Namely, things are so much better with her than they were in the 80s.

[bober1982]

Quote: EvilLion

That is, the elimination of this service has reduced the accident rate at times?

This service cannot be eliminated, it is eternal, as long as the sun is shining, it will exist.

[EvilLion]

You only believe in the holy Union, where nothing fell or exploded, do not talk about it. Otherwise they will be upset. And if they also find out that the Gulag still exists, only renamed to GUIN, that's what it will be.

[bober1982]

Quote: EvilLion

where nothing fell or exploded, don't talk about it

Yes, I agree, it's better not to tell, otherwise your hair will stand on end and blood in your veins ...

[dauria]

You only believe in the holy Union, where nothing fell and did not explode, do not talk about it. Otherwise they will be upset.

You can try to spoil the Union as much as you like, but present-day Russia in a year does not have the same raid that it was in the Union in a month ..

[DenVB]

Quote: dauria

You can try to spoil the Union as much as you like, but present-day Russia in a year does not have the same raid that it was in the Union in a month ..

The difference between absolute and relative statistics is a witchcraft that some universities did not take.

[Humpty]

Unfortunately, even on Elbrus, some dark story happened, people died under circumstances requiring an explanation.

[Bashkirkhan]

Climbers are sick people, they risk their lives for some unknown reason and for what. And the risk and the Russian maybe in the mountains lead to corpses.

[Humpty]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Climbers are sick people, they risk their lives for some unknown reason and for what. And the risk and the Russian maybe in the mountains lead to corpses.

Perhaps. I try to communicate with them less often. Only those who perish on the elephants of Elbrus, with the exception of the Kukurtlu wall, are usually not climbers. True, sometimes they are useful, tk. a noticeable part of a person's rational activity without them turns into absurdity. For example, participation in the search or some other activities related to the fallen helicopters. I remember 7 times for sure.

[Bashkirkhan]

In my opinion, above 3700 meters, this is already a territory practically unsuitable for life, difficult, dangerous with fast changeable weather. With a powerful blinding sun, strong wind, thick dank clouds, in which you plunge as if in fog. And most importantly, lack of oxygen, altitude sickness, severe headache. Extreme climbers climb the mountains and lovers of romance like "only mountains that I have not been to before can be better than mountains."

[Humpty]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

In my opinion, above 3700 meters, this is already practically not a habitable territory.

In my opinion, 5700. But these are nuances.

Quote: Bashkirkhan

romantics like "only mountains can be better than mountains, which have not been visited yet."

And I'm a romantic, I guess. Only women can be better than mountains ...

[Vikxnumx]

In my opinion, 5700. But these are nuances.

Height is felt differently. Depends on location. The Caucasus is lower, but tougher ...

[bayard]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

In my opinion, above 3700 meters, this is already a territory practically unsuitable for life, difficult, dangerous with fast changeable weather.

We had a radar company at this height - Kymerkei, and nothing - they served, they saw far away, though the supply was not easy - they assembled a caravan of cars with fuel, food, other consumables and along the serpentine ... two or four times the border with Iran was crossed - otherwise no way .
And with the inspection - only by helicopter. The commander-in-chief once flew there in a Mi-24, but the engine was not turned off.

[Vikxnumx]

Climbers are sick people, they risk their lives for some unknown reason and for what. And the risk and the Russian maybe in the mountains lead to corpses.

The back one must be able to turn on. And the head. Part of the group included, they say.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: VIK1711

The back one must be able to turn on. And the head. Part of the group included, they say.

They were saved, and those who did not think went to the land of the eternal hunt.

[Prisoner]

The crew and someone else. Who and where should have been delivered here is the question. And where did they go?

[EvilLion]

The Ka-27 is an anti-submarine aircraft, first of all, the operator of the entire complex for which the turntable flies, and maybe a flight engineer, like on the Mi-24, if the machine from the 80s is almost unchanged.

[DenVB]

There is also a search and rescue modification. Most likely, it is her that is used by the FSB. It is unlikely that the functions of the border guards include anti-submarine warfare.

[teptyar]

what a need to fly at this time of day ...

[Jacket in stock]

The crash of An26 - a flight in unfavorable weather conditions.
Now Ka27, the same thing.
The question arises, why ?!
What, you couldn't wait for the weather?
What urgency is this?

I remembered the story of my father, how, when he served as an urgent in the fifties, they were sent to collect the crashed paratroopers in the fields, through the forests. By the arrival of the big commander, the local generals then decided to hold a demonstration exercise with a massive landing, and it doesn't matter if the weather is not suitable - there are no barriers for a Soviet person. My father told me - you come up to him, and there is just a piece of meat. And whoever is alive shouts "finish it off, brothers!" Then many of them were commissioned from the unit, the psyche could not stand it.

[zadorin1974]

Yesterday, the ambulance "Ansat" in Izhevsk fell right on the roof of the hospital.

[EvilLion]

I like to listen to horror films in the morning about which there is no information on the Internet, although all major emergencies are documented, and people who have been prosecuted are going to court.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: EvilLion

all major emergencies are documented, and the people who are liable to court are going to court.

And the documents are archived under the stamp, and all participants and witnesses give a subscription.
And the Internet has appeared quite recently.

[EvilLion]

There is nothing secret in such documents. Here yonder submarines with dozens of victims sank, and the missiles exploded, burning everyone around, so what? Now, with these disasters, kinA is being filmed.

[Marconi41]

Quote: EvilLion

I like to listen to horror films in the morning about which there is no information on the Internet, although all major emergencies are documented, and people who have been prosecuted are going to court.

This means that the helicopter most likely belonged to the FSB. But all the same, the details will emerge.

[teptyar]

Well, for fans of the USSR - how is it possible to relate to their own people like that? who gave the right to send generals to certain death in peacetime?

[Looking for]

Title and position. What did you not serve in the army? The order of the commander is the law for the subordinate. That was and is the principle of one-man command, the basis of any army.

[fighter angel]

I can assume about the An-26 disaster.
The flying laboratory, radar equipment flyer, belonged to ZAO.
The weather was very crooked, below the minimum.
The question is, why did he fly around in such inappropriate meteorological conditions?
My opinion is as follows, since the car belongs to CJSC, which means that profit and money come first, and only then people and equipment!
Most likely, this CJSC has all the flights scheduled, paid for months in advance.
I think that the PIC of the deceased An-26 had about the following conversation with the "leadership":
"What can be the transfer due to the weather, are you there, absolutely fucking? What kind of tomorrow? You have a new airfield tomorrow and a new flyby! Everything has already been paid for! Everyone is already waiting, if you don’t take off now - kick in the ass and take off! We will find others, who can fly! "
This is a fucking capitalist system in which human life is in the last place.
And now this ZAO, most likely, indicates that the crew themselves decided to fly in such weather, we have nothing to do with it. The documents are signed by the KVS - so he is guilty ...
The bastards are finished. Words are not.

[Stepan S]

It is also necessary to establish the reasons for the fall of the helicopter.

First, it would be necessary to establish the reasons for the takeoff of the helicopter, for what purpose the anti-submarine helicopter ended up in the mountains.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Stepan S

It is also necessary to establish the reasons for the fall of the helicopter.

First, it would be necessary to establish the reasons for the takeoff of the helicopter, for what purpose the anti-submarine helicopter ended up in the mountains.

They seem to write that the helicopter is a border helicopter, which means it is not anti-submarine.
But why and where he flew at that time - the question.

[huntsman650]

KA 27 is a lifeguard, and there is an anti-submarine one.

[75 Sergey]

Why shouldn't he fly, there was no typhoon?

[Jacket in stock]

Well, yes, they write the weather was normal.

[Ros 56]

Something we have recently increased the number of air crashes. It’s time to tackle this issue, what is it - incompetence, carelessness, wear and tear of outdated equipment, lack of flying skills ..... ????? Iron something to hell with him, people die.

[Freedim]

If both engines fail, the helicopter (unlike an airplane) has a very high chance of landing on autorotation .. If the pilot does not dull and the weather conditions allow, then there should be no problems - the "hard landing" actions are repeatedly practiced in theory and on the simulator. Another question is when there is bad weather, poor visibility and lack of space for a favorable landing. This is not a question for the pilots, but for those who authorized the flight.

[faiver]

and lack of space for a favorable landing.

- in the sense of? Do they usually fly along the clearings?

[75 Sergey]

Have forgotten how to fly "on instruments".
Although a helicopter is a tricky thing.

[Humpty]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Poor visibility, difficult terrain ... sorry for the crew. If the car crashes into a slope, they have little chance.

Quote: Finches

And where did it take him at 22.10?

Based on the accidental, unfortunately, not modest experience of observing catastrophes and accidents of helicopters in bad weather conditions and limited visibility, I conclude that there is a human factor.

[Dmitriy444]

Training routine flights day-night SMU. What's so strange about that?

[Bez 310]

Again...
The aircraft fell again, and dozens of amateurs
began to discuss issues in which they do not understand anything.
I will try to answer a number of questions that arose from these
"experts" during the discussion.
"Where did it take him at night?".
It is quite possible that there was a night shift of flights. Regular
night shift, for example, from 19.00 to 03.00. Such shifts fly
regularly, usually once a week, and they are held for
to learn to fly at night, or to practice in
night flights, so as not to lose skills.
"Poor visibility, difficult terrain ..."
There are rules for flying in adverse weather conditions, in the mountain
terrain that excludes collisions with "terrain"
even in the absence of visibility. They are called - the rules
instrument flights.
"The resource, although laid with a huge reserve, but the years take their toll,
inadequate maintenance and service ... "
Most recent aviation accidents are to blame for
crew. Why it happens? It's simple - bad
training in the school and in the aviation unit (enterprise),
"hammering a bolt on all flight rules" - indiscipline,
lack of proper control, pursuit of the plan
"at any cost", an economic factor.

[Humpty]

Quote: FreeDIM

If both engines fail, the helicopter (unlike an airplane) has a very high chance of landing on autorotation.

In the event of a failure of one engine of the Mi 8 MTV, in order to accelerate the second to full power and stop the fall, a very large margin of depth is required. Visually 700-800 meters. Naturally depends on other conditions.

[karimx2]

Initially, it was reported that the helicopter could make a "hard landing" in the area of ​​Mount Ostroy. The very interpretation of "hard landing" has recently become actively used even in cases when there is a real fall of one or another rotorcraft.

This is Putin's newspeak, where a fire is called "smoke", a flood "flooding", an explosion "servant", and the fall is "negative growth", which is so small.

[Kushka]

Actually, the psychotype of a modern member of society is very vulnerable, you need to be kind to your citizens. Our grandfathers were made of iron, they left Minsk, Kiev, Kharkov, losing 600 thousand + thousand planes and hundreds of tanks, but the psychologist did not pronounce the word. And right now, the beloved cat is gone, and all-suicidal moods "- people need help from a psychodeaf.

[karimx2]

Quote: Kushka

Actually, the psychotype of a modern member of society is very vulnerable, you need to be kind to your citizens. Our grandfathers were made of iron, they left Minsk, Kiev, Kharkov, losing 600 thousand + thousand planes and hundreds of tanks, but the psychologist did not pronounce the word. And right now, the beloved cat is gone, and all-suicidal moods "- people need help from a psychodeaf.

And duck this is all from concern for the population, and not to cover up observers? OK then. Forgive me, Cuckoo, that I scared you very much with the words about the explosions and floods and caused you to be in a suicidal mood. Sorry. If you need to, I can throw you 500 bubles for a psychologist.

[Kushka]

Yes, I have been experiencing difficulties unnecessarily, with a spoon, for years.
No matter how I rush to the university with a pump-action berdan at the ready.
But with these, younger, psychoneous, softer it is necessary, softer.
Yes, and the most seedy psycho deaf for 7 bucks and will not let on the doorstep,
Does the price list under his breath:
The answer to the question is 50 bucks.
The correct answer to the question is -100 bucks.
The answer to a stupid question is $ 200.
Written answer to the question - 500 bucks

[alch3mist]

And right now, the beloved cat is gone, and all-suicidal moods "- people need help from a psychodeaf.

All because in childhood they were not whipped in time

[gorenina91]

Location of Ka-27 helicopter wreckage on Kamchatka Peninsula named

- At this rate, we will soon reach the level of Soviet aviation losses in Afghanistan (during the "Afghan war") ... - Well, everything is clear there ... - the spooks fired at our aircraft from "stingers" and from everything that shoots .. ...
- And what is happening now ???