Fighting vehicle B-19, its advantages and prospects

Model BMP-3 with combat module "Epoch" at one of the previous exhibitions. Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

At the recent joint exercises Zapad-2021, for the first time, they showed the work of a number of new types of equipment, incl. promising infantry fighting vehicle B-19. This prototype is built using existing and new components, due to which the growth of a number of characteristics is ensured. B-19s have already been brought to trial operation in the troops, and based on its results, the prospects and future of such a development will be determined.

From layout to polygon

In the mid-tenths, the Tula Instrument Design Bureau named after V.I. A.G. Shipunova developed the TKB-973 / Epoch / 32B01 unmanned combat module. This product is intended for installation on various chassis, incl. in the order of re-equipment and rearmament of existing combat vehicles. Through the use of new design solutions, an updated set of weapons and modern control facilities, the growth of all basic characteristics is ensured.

At the Army-2017 forum, they showed mock-ups of armored vehicles BMP-2 and BMP-3, modernized with one of the Epoch variants. The same models were shown at other exhibitions, but full-scale samples of armored vehicles were absent until a certain time. The TKB-973 module itself was first shown only at the end of 2019.

Within the framework of the same Army-2017 forum, the first contract was signed for the manufacture and supply of an experimental batch of BMP-3, modernized using the Epoch module. It was about 12 armored vehicles; deliveries were supposed to start in 2019, with their help, it was planned to conduct tests and organize experimental operation in the troops.

Armored vehicles during exercises at the end of August 2021. In the center is an experienced B-19. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

At the end of June 2019, the High-Precision Complexes holding, which includes KBP, spoke about the current work. It was reported that the BMP-3 with the "Epoch" is already being tested at the training grounds of the Ministry of Defense. The ordered samples are also being manufactured, which will be handed over after the tests.

At the very beginning of 2020, it became known that the delivery of the updated BMP-3 to the troops was delayed. According to the Ministry of Defense, the receipt of an experimental batch was expected within a year. According to the May news from the press service of the department, such plans remained relevant.

Apparently, the new type of equipment was handed over to the customer no later than autumn. So, in October, a video from tests of modern armored vehicles at the testing range of the 38th Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense got into free access. Together with other samples, the BMP-3 with a new combat module got into the frame.

Technique in exercises

12 armored vehicles of the experimental batch have already been handed over to the customer and, it seems, have passed field tests on the basis of research organizations. Now they are tested in real-life conditions, incl. with the involvement of various kinds of military exercises.

B-19 at the Zapad-2021 exercise. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

At the end of August in the Nizhny Novgorod region, special exercises were held for the logistical support units of the Western Military District. The active phase of the maneuvers took place at the Mulino training ground with the involvement of various units and subunits. As a result of this event, the Ministry of Defense published several photographs, one of which is of great interest.

It showed the MT-LB tractor, the TOS-1A flamethrower system and a new modernized BMP-3 with a new combat module. Not the best angle did not interfere with the recognizable contours of the rear of the chassis and the rear of the new turret. The vehicle was in a trench and was probably showing its fire capabilities.

On September 13, the Ministry of Defense announced the use of new equipment as part of the main stage of the West-2021 exercises. Three modernized vehicles were used at once at the Mulino training ground for fire support of the defending group. Curiously, in this news, the new BMP was first referred to as the B-19.

Technical features

The BMP-3 modernization project, now known as the B-19, is generally distinguished by a certain simplicity. It provides for the dismantling of the standard fighting compartment from the base vehicle and the installation of a new TKB-973 module. The chassis may undergo some modifications, but its radical restructuring is not required. As a result, the preservation of some characteristics at the same level is achieved, while others increase markedly.

B-19 (in the background) and the Uran-9 robot at a firing position. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The Epoch product is a remotely controlled tower for installation on compatible chassis. The product is made in a low-profile case without a tower basket and does not take up space inside the carrier machine. At the same time, a developed complex of barrel and missile weapons, as well as optical and other means, is installed on it. A fire control system and an operator-gunner's console are mounted inside the combat vehicle.

The removal of the standard fighting compartment led to the release of additional volumes. How it was used is unknown. Perhaps the number of paratroopers has been increased and the conditions for their accommodation have been improved. However, in the old materials on the project, the preservation of the landing of 7 people is mentioned.

Barrel armament "Epoch" consists of 57-mm automatic cannon of low ballistics LSHO-57 and coaxial machine gun PKTM. With their help, the defeat of manpower, unprotected and lightly armored vehicles within a radius of several kilometers is ensured. The 57 mm cannon offers obvious advantages over modern armored vehicles with small-caliber guns.

The missile armament includes two onboard launchers with four Kornet missiles to destroy armored vehicles or fortified structures. In the aft part of the module there is a lifting unit for Bulat light guided missiles. They are distinguished by a shorter range and power, but are able to effectively complement other weapon "Epochs".

General view of the "Epoch" module, drawing from patent RU 2 703 695 C1

Terrain observation and weapon guidance is carried out using two optoelectronic devices; the commander's sight on the roof is panoramic. Control is carried out remotely from the consoles of the commander and gunner-operator. The most important innovation of the Epoch project is a high degree of process automation. The OMS is capable of monitoring the battlefield itself, detecting and identifying targets, generating data for firing and issuing recommendations to the crew.

Obvious advantages

The B-19 project has a number of strengths, both in general and in comparison with the base BMP-3. In the future, if positive results are obtained on tests, this may lead to the beginning of a massive modernization of available armored vehicles and the re-equipment of motorized rifle units.

One of the main advantages of the B-19 is that there is no need to build the entire vehicle from scratch. Such an infantry fighting vehicle can be rebuilt from existing equipment as part of scheduled repair and modernization. At the same time, savings in production and operation are achieved, while the mobility characteristics remain the same.

At the same time, the removal of the old fighting compartment leads to the release of significant volumes inside the hull, which can be used to accommodate troops. It also simplifies the creation of specialized modifications, such as reconnaissance vehicles.

Top view, drawing from patent RU 2 703 695 C1

It is rather difficult to compare the armament of the BMP-3 and the B-19. The older vehicle has a complex of 100- and 30-mm cannons, combining flexibility and high performance. The only 57-mm gun on the "Epoch" is superior in performance to one of them, but inferior to the other. At the same time, the use of one LSHO-57 greatly simplifies the design of the module and the FCS, and the absence of 100-mm shells in the ammunition load is compensated for with the help of Bulat missiles.

B-19 with TKB-973 has obvious advantages in the field of missile weapons. Epoch carries two types of missiles that complement each other. The BMP-3 armament complex uses missiles of the 9M117 family with a launch through a 100-mm gun. Due to limitations in caliber, they are inferior to the Kornet in range and penetration. At the same time, the heavier Kornet missiles on TKB-973 are supplemented with light Bulats.

The modern SLA for the "Epoch" is clearly superior to the BMP-3 devices. It is built on the actual element base and has all the necessary functions, as well as a number of fundamentally new features. As a result, the application is simplified and its efficiency is increased.

Tests are ongoing

In general, the B-19 project turned out to be quite successful and may be of interest both for our army and for foreign customers. However, the prospects for this sample are still unknown. It is with the aim of determining the real value of such technology that various tests are now being carried out, incl. in the context of major exercises.

The timing of the completion of the B-19 tests and their results remain unknown. Probably, all the necessary measures will take several more years, and the arrival of new BMPs into service - if successful - should be expected by the middle of the decade. At the same time, the B-19 project, which confirms the high potential of the Epoch module, can open the way for other similar developments, both already known and completely new.

Comments

[Aurel]

Good target for UAVs.

[jonht]

Like any other BMP or armored personnel carrier ....
But on what basis did you make such a conclusion about the BMP-3 with the Epoch?
As an option for fighting helicopters, small-sized missiles can come in handy if you develop a version of them, for example, with infrared guidance ...

[Old tanker]

As an option for fighting helicopters, small-sized missiles can come in handy if you develop a version of them, for example, with infrared guidance ...

Their range of destruction will be much shorter than the heavy ATGMs installed on helicopters.
And what for a goat such a button accordion?

[Flooding]

Quote: Aurel

Good target for UAVs.

Aurel, do you propose to install another turret, an anti-aircraft one?
or just a playful mood in the morning?

[YOUR]

Combat module "Epoch", aka "Boomerang-BM" was developed in 2013 for BMP K-17 "Boomerang", B-11 Kurganets-25 and T-15 BMP on the Armata platform.
None of the above cars went into production and, most likely, will not work, they decided to surprise the electorate with an unexpected one. But quietly, quietly and once a new unknown car. We installed this module on the BMP-3 platform. For some reason, it seems that the further 12 units produced will not go further either.

[carstorm 11]

Where did you get this?) Boomerangs are very active in testing. It all came down to the cost and this issue is just being resolved. There is no question whether it will go into series or not. He's only one - when. The serial T 15 will go after the T 14 and this is quite understandable. Kurganets should already be on the state.

[YOUR]

I would be grateful if you make a link to such information.
Where does the infa come from that Kurganets entered the stage of state tests, whence infa about the T-14 and T15.
For me, the information is the military budget of Russia for 2021. there is no mention of what you wrote here.

[carstorm 11]

What exactly?) On t 14 and 15, the first production cars from this year also speak for the whole year. It was strange to miss. They wrote it openly about Kurgan. According to Boomerang, also from the first persons of production. Find it if you like.

[YOUR]

You can say a lot, where it is written that state tests are about to begin and that mass production will begin.
For example, I read a review that neither the T14 nor the T15 are going to be put into service, one of the reasons is the absence of surveillance devices, only video cameras, which can now be quietly drowned out.
But no where is there any information that just about, not that hundreds, at least dozens, will go to the troops.

[carstorm 11]

Lack of what?)))) Muffle what?))) He has already finished the state))) Ukrainian experts read evil) such a huge barrel did not bother you on its roof at all?))) The sighting complex is also absent in your opinion?))) Through cameras are guided right?) Here on VO there is a complete analysis of its filling. Search.

[YOUR]

You are surprisingly right. The talks about the beginning of state tests have been going on since 2012. I took your advice and looked at the information on VO. As you affectionately called the barrel, this is a panoramic sight. The same video camera, one of all of them, the information from which is transmitted to the screens of the crew, just below this "barrel" is a block with KAZ Afganit charges.

The tower is uninhabited, the crew is at the bottom of the hull, in an armored capsule. Sit in a row, three people next to each other. In front of each screen, which displays images from cameras.

Quote: carstorm 11

Are they guided through the cameras?

Exactly. Just like the operator of the Uranus-9 robot aims the weapon.

[carstorm 11]

I called it a barrel so that they would see one of the observation devices) Through it, you can simply observe) everything is implemented as it should, from optics to the radar) about your conversations with the media. The tests are long. And there are many of them. Gosy is the final when the production car is ready. They are over. Before them, there was both experimental operation and military ones. Koi I personally observed. Monitors do not display information only from cameras. You read everything. Try to understand.

[YOUR]

That's just not necessary about personally. Although I watched them the same on the TV channel Zvezda.
I would very much like to see the most modern weapons and equipment in the Armed Forces. but as we can see this is not. One piece of junk, which is painted, something is changed, in general, they are modernized and that's it.
But what is this information for 2020:
120 modernized T-72B3M tanks, 30 T-90A tanks;
120 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles;
60 modernized BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles with a Berezhok fighting compartment;
460 modern armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and modernized BTR-82AM;
30 armored vehicles of increased security "Typhoon 4 × 4";
15 armored vehicles "Tiger-M" with a combat module with a remote control "Arbalet-DM";
35 self-propelled howitzers 2S19M2M2 Msta-SM;
30 Tornado-G and Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems;
29 tugboats BMK-MO, BMK-MT, BMK-15, designed for motorization of pontoon fleets.
On the one hand, there seems to be a lot, but as you imagine that this is for all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it is not even a drop in the ocean, it is much less.

[carstorm 11]

For a year?))) And who is more than that?))) Some tanks in a year as half, for example, of the entire combat-ready fleet of the Germans) are you kidding like that? In which country for a year at least 50 tanks, but at least 30 accepted that?)))

[YOUR]

Something you dear got confused. Where do you see the new tanks? All 80s of release, modernization.
There are many of them and in much larger quantities, the Pintos, for example, have modernized all the tanks they have in service 5 times already, which is about 10 units of only Abrams, they also have modernized M000s on which they even change the towers, they look like M60 from a distance.
Of the new BTR-82A, even then it is questionable. Of the new armored vehicles, only armored vehicles. Msta, also basically modernized, as indicated by the letters SM. So it turns out that this is a completely new RZSO Tornado-G and Tornado-S.
Very big questions for our industry.

[carstorm 11]

How did you see the modernization?))) From the same 72 b, in fact, 20 percent of the strength remains) s modernized? Well, yes. As we are. They can, but we have questions?) Modernization is a common practice. She was and will be. Maintain combat readiness either through it or by releasing new equipment at a wild speed. Considering the cost and complexity of modern technology, this is a utopia.

[YOUR]

Somehow they showed on TV how the T-72 is being modernized. Only again, then you are talking about hundreds of new tanks, then in the air you are already changing your shoes, we are already talking about the modernized ones.

[carstorm 11]

Modernization is essentially a new car. In this case, everything changed. From engine to tool.

[YOUR]

Oh, you are specialists. The implement is not changed, the liner is changed.

[carstorm 11]

Yeah ... in the first place, the weapon is not only its barrel. Secondly, the 2A46M-5 has no liner. Want some advice? There are a lot of literate texts on VO about BTV. Study.

[YOUR]

Thanks for the advice. I will definitely use it.

[I am not a robot]

so abrams are also from the 80s,

[YOUR]

Hulls, towers, yes, but the filling has already changed five times

[YOUR]

And one more thing. You use your own advice. Look for information on Armata here on VO.
Particular attention to the dates when something was written. I do not want to deprive you of the pleasure yourself.

[carstorm 11]

Why do I need this?))) You can't even understand what an observation device is, but I am too lazy to carry out an educational program)

[YOUR]

Well, don't and don't. What then is the conversation.
You don’t need to tell me anything, I’m as though I studied no less than you did and served decently.
But the conversation is about something else. That all talk about T14, T14 has stopped.

[carstorm 11]

But where did they stop if in the summer they announced the end of the state and the beginning of mass production?))) Did you turn off Google, I don’t understand?)

[YOUR]

Google works, but they don't write about this anywhere. In general, they stopped writing about it.
But if you have at least a little information on this issue, I will be very grateful for the link. I can skip it.
And then I leaf through this google, and there already come across articles that the work has been stopped. And in VO, the last article on this topic was published in 2018. And here they even post about the fact that the barrel was changed in the PP and they got a new PP.

[carstorm 11]

Well, actually, the last one was in August of this year, and I'm just talking about the news. There were others later. And so https://iz-ru.turbopages.org/iz.ru/s/1211117/2021-08-23/opytnaia-partiia-tankov-t-14-armata-napravlena-v-rossiiskie-voiska
Etc. etc. etc.

[KCA]

Drown out the camcorders? How? Laser / shmazer? This problem is being solved once, have you ever seen a photo or video of the Sun? Leonov also had a helmet with a light filter when he entered open space.

[YOUR]

Never heard of electronic warfare?
The sun does not have it

[KCA]

How will electronic warfare affect the operation of video cameras? Will it give out the most powerful EMP that will penetrate the armor of the tank and burn all the equipment?

[YOUR]

Except for EMP, nothing comes to mind?
And so just in case. The cameras are not under armor, they have not learned to see through metal.

[KCA]

So tell me what kind of damage the electronic warfare troops can inflict on video cameras, what is the essence of the impact? They have no radio channel, they are tied on wires

[YOUR]

Well, probably as well as they can eavesdrop on telephone conversations of wire communication without connecting.

[KCA]

They can, but the distance? A meter from the wire, well, or two, although progress is underway, maybe already from 10 can

[YOUR]

Back in the 80s, they filmed from several kilometers. But believe that everything is wrong.

[KCA]

With wires or cables? Have you seen a telephone cable at all, which trunk? a few hundred pairs in a lead sheath, what, electromagnetic oscillations through lead 1mm pass? Miracles, then how from hundreds of couples do you choose the one you want to listen to?

[YOUR]

Never a spy, I have no idea how they eavesdrop and how they divide. As well as you. Your entire denial is built on - I don't know this, so it doesn't. Here you begin to build some examples of the assumption around.
You can now look through your comments where you speak about our electronic warfare, which all in Syria drowned out all communication so that even the arrogant do not risk raising planes on their island.

[KCA]

So there is a difference to drown out the GPS and the enemy plane will start to rush, frightened over the sea, as it is now, I don’t know, but before the Kremlin GPS showed the location of the Sheremetyevo village, and drowned out video cameras, which in general can be analog and digitized only by BIUS

[YOUR]

Remind me when the "Armata" will be adopted and put it well, at least in the same quantities as the T90, and not like the Su-57. Accepted one by one a year.
I will confess publicly. Until then .... don't forget to give me cons. Good luck

[I am not a robot]

well, you are talking some kind of nonsense, that's why they minus you

[carstorm 11]

Not) electronic warfare so influences optical devices through magic)

[komandir8]

On August 23, 2021, Deputy Director General of the State Corporation "Rostec" Vladimir Artyakov announced the dispatch of an experimental-industrial batch of T-14 tanks to the troops.
Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko reported that by the end of 2021, the Russian Armed Forces will receive a batch of twenty T-14 main battle tanks on the Armata universal tracked platform, developed and manufactured by the Uralvagonzavod Scientific and Production Concern. Also, the general director of the State Corporation Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, reported that serial deliveries of T-14 tanks to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation would begin in 2021.
It is also known that there is a contract between the Ministry of Defense and Uralvagonzavod for the supply of 132 vehicles on the Armata platform. It includes T-14 tanks, T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicles and T-16 armored recovery vehicles. This contract for experimental military operation provides for the supply of two battalion sets of T-14 tanks on the Armata platform and one battalion set of heavy infantry fighting vehicles T-15.

[Bogalex]

B-19 "Epoch" has nothing to do with works on the themes "Armata", "Boomerang" and "Kurganets". It is being developed in an independent OCD called, you will be surprised, "The Epoch".

[alavrin]

Quote: YOUR

Combat module "Epoch", aka "Boomerang-BM" was developed in 2013 for BMP K-17 "Boomerang", B-11 Kurganets-25 and T-15 BMP on the Armata platform.
None of the listed cars went into production and most likely will not go,

Is this an unfounded statement or is there an official conclusion of the Ministry of Defense?

[YOUR]

If you do not consider it for work and try to read the information about this BM, then large horizons will open to you, such that the statements of the Ministry of Defense will not be needed.

[Flooding]

Quote: YOUR

If you do not consider it for work and try to read the information about this BM, then large horizons will open to you, such that the statements of the Ministry of Defense will not be needed.

so unfair
What if the respected alavrin suddenly reads the wrong information and opens up other perspectives?
be more specific

[sivuch]

And you will not consider it a job to concretize a little, and not write in the style of Go read that, I don't know what?

[YOUR]

What is easier in a search engine to type BM Epoch. Or BM Boomerang.
Here is one of the articles here on VO from 2017 about this module https://topwar.ru/123372-boevoy-modul-epoha-s-novym-kompleksom-vooruzheniya.html
Back in 2017, they wrote that this module is installed on the BMP-2 or on the BMP-3.

[Lara Croft]

The space between the turrets is even larger than that of tanks and again not covered by anything ...

[Barberry25]

what's the point? the armor of the module should already protect against 30 mm shells, and won't protect against tank shells anyway

[Konnick]

Barrel armament "Epoch" consists of 57-mm automatic cannon of low ballistics LSHO-57 and coaxial machine gun PKTM.

In fact, for the module it is called differently

A LSHO-57 is a light assault weapon of 57 mm caliber grenade launcher ballistics with such an automatic loader.

[ProkletyiPirat]

by the way, about LSHO-57, maybe someone knows, How is he shooting at high greenery in the form of a forest?(otherwise, as far as I know, AGS 30-40mm has problems with this due to a light projectile)

[Konnick]

An ordinary mine sometimes explodes when it hits the crown of a tree, an air explosion is very effective.

[ProkletyiPirat]

there is a vertical fall and a large mass of the projectile is sufficient for the passage of the crowns, even taking into account the catch from the tail unit, but the AGS at 30-40m has a problem with this and this, therefore I am interested to know if anyone has infa on a projectile like LSHO- 57

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

They wrote the correct answer. There is experience of bursting even tank shells when they hit tree crowns.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Then the context needs to be clarified, we are talking about shells in a sounded mass-size but with a customizable detonator, for example, setting for duration / strength / delay at the contact person.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There is no information yet about the development in Russia of multi-mode fuses similar to the American M734A1.

[ProkletyiPirat]

so I'm not interested in the fuse itself, but in the possibility of using projectiles of this mass-size for the area covering the "green".

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Should be comparable to 82mm mines.

[ProkletyiPirat]

less weight, a different angle of entry into the greenery, in general, not a fact.

[psiho117]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

lighter weight, different angle of entry into the greenery,

The mass of the explosive is comparable, the fragmentation effect is superior, due to the use of semi-finished fragments.
Entry angle - can be different, incl. "mortar", it rather depends on the fuse - but there is no information about it yet.
In general, "comb brilliant green" - you can

[psiho117]

Quote: Konnick

A LSHO-57 is a light assault weapon of 57 mm caliber grenade launcher ballistics

the name LShO-57, apparently no longer.
the weapon for the Age is called APGB (automatic grenade ballistic gun). True, it seems to be longer than the LSE, so, perhaps, both guns exist.
And yes, there is ammunition in the
57-mm armor-piercing-piercing projectile of increased power 3BM76 shot 3UBM21 (designation KBP TKB-1003)
(with courage)
I honestly say, in the confusion ....

[nobody75]

The only 57-mm gun on the "Epoch" is superior in performance to one of them, but inferior to the other.

It is inferior to both trunks. LSHO 57 nee grenade launcher. I think the two modules will complement each other. B - 19 is a kind of replacement for the "Cornflower" and the classic BMP - 3 is a light tank.
Sincerely

[Ros 56]

No test site will give an objective picture; it should be tested in a real combat situation, taking into account all negative factors, including UAVs. They, as Karabakh showed, are very dangerous for any type of equipment.

[Andrey VOV]

When there is no air defense and military coverage, it is definitely very dangerous

[bar]

The product is made in a low-profile case without a tower basket and does not take up space inside the carrier machine.

I wonder what kind of ammunition can be placed in this low-profile case packed with optics, instruments and actuators?
A pair of "cornet" on the "external suspension" is also somehow not very inspiring.

[Flooding]

Quote: bar

A pair of "cornet" on the "external sling" also somehow does not really inspire

does not inspire their external disposition?

[bar]

"Does not inspire" their number. As I understand it, reloading in combat conditions is not provided?

[Flooding]

Quote: bar

"Does not inspire" their number. As I understand it, reloading in combat conditions is not provided?

are you joking
4 full-fledged anti-tank missiles for one BMP with bulletproof armor - is that not enough?
How much do you measure the life of this BMP on the battlefield?

[bar]

I agree. She won't live long on the battlefield

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It depends on who and on what field. BMPs for the most part manage to develop their service life before death or decommissioning.

[Aag]

"... BMPs for the most part manage to develop their service life before death or decommissioning ...."
Iii? What then? Hiding in the backyards of parks? ..
Without irony, it's really interesting how motorized rifle equipment "lives".
In the Strategic Missile Forces, I remember, the BTR-70, which entered service after refurbishment, were the subject of a headache for commanders and chiefs of all levels ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is for you to the deputy tech with such lengthy questions. The BMP had problems both with starting the engines and with the loading of the chassis in the front of the vehicle. But a vehicle such as the BMP-1 is much more combat-capable than the same BTR-70 or 80. The reasoning about how long it will live on the battlefield is rather strange, it is still not a tank.

[nobody75]

How much do you measure the life of this BMP on the battlefield?

If in a conflict of low intensity, then from beginning to end.
Otherwise - no more than 3 minutes. Everything depends on the tactics of use. If conventional BMP and light assault guns are introduced into the breakthrough, then they will live for a long time, since they will prop up tanks, which, as you know, are capable of independently portraying something in operational terms.
Sincerely

[psiho117]

Quote: bar

I wonder what kind of ammunition can be placed in this low-profile case packed with optics, instruments and actuators?

APGB ammunition - 180 shells (not counting those in the receiving sleeve). Respectively 63 BPS and 117 OFS.
This was relevant for the tower installed on Kurganets, I don’t think that something has changed in a year.

[Zaurbek]

The main gap is the lack of autocannons of caliber from 30 to 57mm. Epoch too multi-caliber module:
- 57mm small ballistics (no BOPS, no cumulative)
- 60mm ATGM Bulat (? Strange caliber)
- 150mm Cornet (3-4 types of ammunition for all occasions)


A lot of weapons and a lot of ammunition, which takes up space from each other.

[Flooding]

Quote: Zaurbek

57mm small ballistics (no BOPS, no cumulative)

the main task is high-explosive fragmentation
there are two rocket calibers against armored vehicles

Quote: Zaurbek

a lot of ammunition, which takes up space from each other.

the Cornet located outside, let's say, does not take up space from other ammunition
Bulat in question
remains exactly 57mm and 7,62mm

[Zaurbek]

On the other hand, Kornet has both 150mm HE and ODAB ... with high accuracy .... and 40-50mm autocannon BOPSs penetrate up to 150mm of armor and have decent HE. And you get two types of systems:
1mm autocannon
2. Cornet .....


or another approach:
1.powerful 57mm with HE and BOPS and HE with distant blasting
2. ATGM of the 3rd generation for fighting only armored vehicles.

[musketon64]

I like this complex more:
1-40 mm autocannon (as a versatile weapon for armored vehicles, and for air targets, and for infantry, especially at long range or entrenched in mountains-heights)
2. a 12,7-mm machine gun paired with it (for light or non-armored vehicles, as well as for infantry in the bush - "birch forest" (why waste expensive shells on them?).
3. PU capable of launching and directing ATGMs of both the 3rd generation and the 2nd, as a cheaper option under certain different theater conditions (for example, old terrorist tanks or their concrete bunkers). Modern tanks can be used to launch more sophisticated and very expensive missiles.
4. As an additional option, a 30, or better 40-mm grenade launcher can be fitted in the rear of the turret. As on the Berezhok module. On a hinged trajectory.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Can we try to return you to this sinful earth?
Can you compare the ammunition load of a 7,62 mm machine gun and a 12,7 mm heavy machine gun?
So, the ability at the last moment to hit a grenade launcher with a 7,62 mm machine gun with an ammunition load of 2000 thousand screw cartridges, is slightly higher than from a large-caliber machine gun with limited ammunition. And on any lightly armored vehicles and infantry in the bushes, it is better to use heavier ammunition than bullets of 12,7 mm caliber.

[musketon64]

The answer is from the ground.
7,62 mm should go by default, as a means of close SELF-DEFENSE, from almost point-blank to 300 - max 500 m (and even then for uncovered infantry, and that is unlikely, and this should be on the conscience of the landing party), and not as a means fire support. Bullets of a large-caliber machine gun are capable of piercing brickwork, duval and trunks of rather large trees, and not just bushes, hitting grenade launchers and other scoundrels who have sat down behind them, which a rifle-caliber machine gun is not capable of. Was it in vain that ours in Afghanistan additionally installed a command post on the BMP-1?
Why spend, in general, not cheap ammunition for a 40-45 mm cannon (for which the ammunition load is even lower than that of the command post), if you can riddle them with ordinary large-caliber bullets at a distance of up to 1000m.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The topic remained unsolved. Where to fit a 12,7 mm machine gun if the place is already occupied by a 7,62 mm machine gun?

[musketon64]

You didn't read my first post carefully. This 12,7 mm KP should be paired with an autocannon (for example, like the French tank "Leclerc"), and not vice versa. And you need to fit a 7,62mm PC. And if you open your eyes and look at the diagram and pictures of the module considered in this article, then on the roof on the left you can see a rifle-caliber machine gun in an armored casing. Or, perhaps, according to the "triad" scheme like that of the BMP-3. Or, if in the case of a manned turret, a remote-controlled module above the commander's hatch.

[Barberry25]

BOPS is, they promised 60 mm penetration for 1,5 km

[riwas]

It is not in vain that the United States wants to put a full-fledged 50-mm cannon on its BMP, and not a grenade launcher. It is cheaper and more reliable than Bulat for dealing with lightly armored vehicles. And UAVs and helicopters can shoot remotely detonated shells. Bulat is certainly needed, but for the infantry. The Germans have a similar installation - Enforcer KFK. The Americans have Raytheon Pike.
http://zonwar.ru/news4/news_788_Enforcer.html

[Zaurbek]

While the most powerful 40mm French with a telescopic projectile

[riwas]

And the British have a similar development.

[Zaurbek]

There was an article about domestic projects of autocannons. 45mm with a telescopic projectile and something based on 2a42 in caliber 50mm

[Thomas N.]

Quote: Zaurbek

While the most powerful 40mm French with a telescopic projectile

The 40-mm 40 CTC cannon (in the CTA International catalog) is English (BAe Systems), and the telescopic ammunition for it is French (Nexter Munitions).

[I am not a robot]

they want to put a 15mm cannon on the T-57

[Kolin]

There is BOPS there.

[Zaurbek]

This is from a series of BOPS in a mortar ... ... for such weapons, cumulative shells are usually made ... ...

[Kolin]

Barrel length - 40 calibers, quite enough for a bop.

[Torukmakto]

Quote: Kolin

Barrel length - 40 calibers, quite enough for a bop.

The 100mm base BMP-3 has a rather impressive barrel length, too.
What's the point? An extremely light weapon designed for low ballistic projectiles that will rip to shreds when attempting to fire a "normal" 100mm projectile.
Here, apparently, the same parsley. I do not believe that LSHO is capable of overclocking BOPS to any reasonable speed.

[Kolin]

Epoch has a cannon specially designed for it, and not at all the extended AGS-57.

At the bottom there is a BOPS with 100500 gunpowder.

[Torukmakto]

All Internet sources available to me indicate that 2A94 was created on the basis of LSHO-57.
If you share a normal link to "special development" - I will be grateful.
In the meantime, it all looks like "pulling an owl on the globe" (I'm talking about a bops for a "grenade launcher").

[Kolin]

Quote: TorukMakTo

All Internet sources available to me indicate that 2A94 was created on the basis of LSHO-57

Is it straightforward to say that 2A94 is AGS-57? Generally, it was said about the grenade ballistics cannon and the PF for the Epoch cannon does indeed have one.

Quote: TorukMakTo

If you share a normal link to "special development" - I will be grateful.
In the meantime, it all looks like "pulling an owl on the globe" (I'm talking about a bops for a "grenade launcher").

Somewhere from the 29th minute, they confirm the presence of BOPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxtCRp2GdQ&t=1917s
"pulling an owl on the globe" is when the BOPS is ignored and a shot in the context of a gigaton of gunpowder on the stand with ammunition for the "Epoch" and ammunition patents where something very similar to these BOPS shots is depicted.

[Torukmakto]

Quote: Kolin

Is it straightforward to say that 2A94 is AGS-57? Generally, it was said about the grenade ballistics cannon and the PF for the Epoch cannon does indeed have one.

So it is said. Yes. In open sources.

Quote: Kolin

Somewhere from the 29th minute, they confirm the presence of BOPS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wxtCRp2GdQ&t=1917s
"pulling an owl on the globe" is when the BOPS is ignored and a shot in the context of a gigaton of gunpowder on the stand with ammunition for the "Epoch" and ammunition patents where something very similar to these BOPS shots is depicted.

Ignored? Where? Reread.
I specifically said about overclocking the bop in a light barrel, and not about its absence as an entity.

By "pulling an owl onto the globe," I mean an attempt to shove a high-speed bops into a supposedly low ballistics weapon, supposedly created on the basis of LSHO-57.
I did not see any other information about the origin of the gun, so I asked.
If they managed to shove in a "gigaton of gunpowder" and make sure that this "gigaton" does not tear the supposedly light weapon to hell, then we have a breakthrough in metallurgy and materials science.

[Barberry25]

who said that damask is 60 mm? there is either 57 mm or 64/72 mm

[psiho117]

Quote: Zaurbek

57mm small ballistics (no BOPS, no cumulative)

There is
The fact of the matter is that there is!
Ammunition - 117 OFS and 63 BTS!
57-mm armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile of increased power 3BM76 shot 3UBM21 (designation KBP TKB-1003).
Here it is, below:

60mm ATGM Bulat (? Strange caliber)

As you can see from the photo given by me, it is quite a rather big rocket. A kind of micro-Cornet.
Tandem cumulative warhead, laser guidance, range 3 km.
There are few tanks on the battlefield, but there are a lot of different riffraffs There is definitely a niche for application.

[Dimax-nemo]

What's the point in BPS with such ballistics?
The cost of a rocket depends to a fairly large extent not on its size, but on the content and level of the "board", which is approximately the same for Bulat and Kornet. Here, the size affects mainly the size of the ammunition load. Those. spanking various types of armored shushara with Bulat is quite expensive.

[Kushka]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

It depends on who and on what field.

About driving in the field. Grandfather and grandmother are driving a "kopeck" along a field road.
Slowly -40-45. Dust to the skies is behind him. Catching up with pepper on the "Mercedes".
Signals - deaf grandfather, zero to ground. Semaphore distant. Grandfather has
mirror (the flies stayed too long), but why look into it - at the dust?
As the Mercedes does not try on the left, it does not work. Finally pepper freaked out, into the steering wheel
grabbed and went to the right. As soon as I got to the grandmother's door, she
takes the shabby steering wheel from his knees, puts it in the "normal" position.
Pepper is perplexed, and suddenly the grandmother makes an energetic "turn" to the right!
Pepper immediately repeats the "maneuver" of the grandmother and at a steep angle throughout the course
flies into corn (wow, he's gone far, now only with a tractor).

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The most interesting thing about the new combat module of the 57 mm gun is its loading system. What is the ammunition selection mechanism, what is the rate of fire? It is not in vain that the same "Terminator" has two barrels, probably due to the fact that there is no one to switch the type of ammunition and there is no time to switch it.

[psiho117]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The most interesting

https://www1.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUPAT&DocNumber=2707476
Enjoy

[Lontus]

What are the differences between the gun and the LSHO-57 besides the barrel length?
How did this affect the performance?

[bk0010]

Replacing 100mm + 35mm with 57mm low ballistics - sabotage

[Thomas N.]

Quote: bk0010

Replacing 100mm + 35mm with 57mm low ballistics - sabotage

100mm + 35mm ?! Is it that "hybrid" weapons: BMP-3 + Lynx? ... Actually a good combination, but not in reality.

[Basarev]

Bad idea. LSHO-57 is a pitiful ersatz, it has no place in a combat vehicle. As well as the weak Bulat. However, the Kornets also have a very small ammunition load, only 4 pieces, and in general, fighting tanks is not the prerogative of BMPs. The only pluses are uninhabitedness and lack of penetration into the hull. In general, Baikal is many times better.

[Castro Ruiz]

BMP-3M Dragoon hot with the Epoh tower looked better and more efficient.

[wow]

In general, it is necessary to "tryndet" as little as possible about the commissioning or testing of new weapons. Everything is quiet and calm. Well, for example, how would our German-fascist "partners" react on the eve of the Battle of Kursk, to an article in the newspaper Pravda or Krasnaya Zvezda, about the supply of Il-2 PTAB 2,5 attack aircraft in mass quantities or our other tricks.

[Rome]

It was a war, so it was important to surprise the enemy! And now it is important to intimidate so that there would be no war!

[Rome]

I'm not an expert, but a 100mm weapon for supporting the infantry, as it will be more serious than 57mm, and most importantly, shots are cheaper than ur, when you need to pick something up! And maybe more ammunition, if you pick a lot where you need to. And a 30mm gun against infantry, open firing points is also no worse than 57mm. If it’s all about a weak ATGM, they’d have a cornet on the turret roof like all IFVs. I think changing the armament of the BMP3 to this module is not a good idea, it is better to upgrade the sighting complex in the BMP.
This complex on BMP1 and 2 would look cool, there it really increases the firepower of vehicles, but on BMP3, a controversial decision in my opinion. Is that unification with a promising technique can be explained

[this]

When, almost any penetration leads to an explosion of ammunition, shots from a 100mm cannon take up a lot of space in the compartment, such weapons are much better.

[Dimax-nemo]

I am very "interesting" how does Bulat "compensate" for 100-mm OFS? AND? The era, perhaps, had certain reserves for something more than 2A42. But, in-1, this "greater" is not available. B-2, there are actually few reserves.