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France intends to seek compensation from Australia for breaking the agreement on the construction of a series of nuclear submarines

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The scandal over Australia's refusal to purchase French non-nuclear submarines is slowly gaining momentum. According to the French edition Le Figaro, Paris intends to demand a penalty from Canberra for breaking the agreement.


Pierre Eric Pommelle, director of the French shipbuilding corporation Naval group, said about the need to send the Australian government a demand for financial payment for the abandonment of submarines. True, he did not name the amount planned to receive from Australia, referring to the fact that not all costs have been calculated yet.

According to Pommelle, the corporation will determine the final amount of compensation within a few weeks, after which an invoice will be issued to the Australian authorities. He stressed that such a case is stipulated by the contract and Paris intends to "put a good pressure on" the Australians.

(...) Such a case is stipulated in the contract, and this will be followed by reimbursement for the incurred and future costs associated with the physical "demobilization" of infrastructure and software, as well as the redeployment of staff

- he added.

As follows from the previously announced information, Australia, before the breakup, managed to sign two contracts with the Naval group for a total of 840 million euros. Moreover, both agreements were paid for by Canberra, i.e. the French have already received funds and may have spent some of it. Now they are left not only without a multi-billion dollar contract, but also the money must be returned.

We will remind that Australia has broken the agreement with France on the construction of a series of non-nuclear submarines for the Australian Navy in the amount of about 66 billion dollars. Instead, Canberra will receive nuclear submarine technology from Washington as part of a new alliance formed by the United States, Britain and Australia.
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  1. Xlor
    Xlor 23 September 2021 14: 20
    .
    Will we also demand compensation for the undelivered Mistrals?
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 23 September 2021 14: 33
      +18
      Duck already got it ?!
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 23 September 2021 14: 37
        -1
        Apparently, not everything is in the subject, but at one time, too, there were a lot of different screams
        in Paris intend to demand from Canberra a penalty for breaking the agreement.

        Well, yes, from the United States then, you can take hell. Shake those who are simpler
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 23 September 2021 15: 01
          -2
          No one will inflict such damage on the reputation of France, which the French themselves do ...
          they are also scandalous all over the world ... bully
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 23 September 2021 15: 24
            -1
            Quote: Alex777
            No one will inflict such damage on the reputation of France, which the French themselves do ...
            they are also scandalous all over the world ... bully

            The French did not exceed the deadlines. The first submarine was planned to start building in 2023 with delivery in 2030. It was planned to build 12 submarines. Under the new agreement between Australia and the United States and Great Britain, it is planned to build 8 nuclear submarines, by the way, a project that has not yet been developed, with the delivery of the first submarine in far 2036, with possible time shifts to the right, and by that time, as they say, either the donkey or the padishah of that.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 23 September 2021 15: 48
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              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Under the new agreement between Australia, the United States and Great Britain, it is planned to build 8 nuclear submarines, by the way, a project that has not yet been developed.

              Not 100% sure, but as far as I heard the speech about Virginia.
              First, the rent / development will be (like the Indians with the Nerpas), and then the construction of their own.
              The new project, IMHO, is not needed by anyone. Waste of money and time.
              And Block V is what Australia has long dreamed of.
              40 KR and full compatibility with US NAVY.
              The Britons will probably be given torpedoes to supply. bully
              By the way, I will not be surprised if after Australia the States will offer the Premier League to someone else. The gift box is now open. hi
              https://russiancouncil.ru/analytics-and-comments/analytics/atomnyy-antikitayskiy-barernyy-rif/
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 23 September 2021 16: 23
                -1
                Quote: Alex777
                The new project, IMHO, is not needed by anyone. Waste of money and time.
                And Block V is what Australia has long dreamed of.

                Keep hi
                8 nuclear submarines in the Australian Navy - a distant hello to China ...
                Quote: Alex777
                By the way, I will not be surprised if after Australia the States will offer the Premier League to someone else.

                For New Zealand it is expensive, but for the Republic of Korea and a little later - Japan, it may well be world domination at stake, and the PRC is stronger every day ...
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 23 September 2021 16: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  For New Zealand it is expensive, but for the Republic of Korea and a little later - Japan, it may well be world domination at stake, and the PRC is stronger every day ...

                  NZ cherish. Submarines are not allowed to enter ports. None.
                  Korea NNS builds with ballistic missiles.
                  But they can try to squeeze India away from us.
                  I thought about the Japanese, but this is stirring up too many long-standing conflicts. And the States do not trust the yupps to the end. hi
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 23 September 2021 16: 42
                    0
                    ... Submarines are not allowed to enter ports. None.

                    K-157, I remember, went to Brest
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 23 September 2021 16: 48
                      0
                      I'm talking about New Zealand (NZ))))
                      No nuclear submarines are allowed into its ports.
                      There was even a special statement that the Australians would not be allowed in either. hi
                      Therefore, they are unlikely to want a nuclear submarine ...
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 23 September 2021 19: 07
                        +1
                        For minus one. wink
                        16.09.2021, 04: 42
                        New Zealand will not lift ban on nuclear submarines after Australia's decision to build them

                        New Zealand does not intend to lift the ban on the entry of nuclear submarines into its territory, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. So she reacted to the decision of her ally - Australia - to build nuclear submarines without nuclear weapons in cooperation with the United States and Great Britain.

                        “New Zealand's position on banning nuclear powered ships in our waters remains unchanged,” said Ms Ardern (quoted from AFP). A ban on nuclear powered ships was established in New Zealand in 1985.
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 23 September 2021 17: 21
                  -1
                  "8 nuclear submarines in the Australian Navy - a distant hello to China .." ///
                  ---
                  The Australian admiral explained this: the submarine should sail to the South China Sea
                  at a speed of 20 knots - a week.
                  Back - also a week. To actually patrol this sea
                  not enough time left.
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 23 September 2021 19: 12
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                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    To actually patrol this sea
                    not enough time left.

                    The autonomy of modern nuclear submarines is 45-60 days ...
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 23 September 2021 16: 48
                0
                Quote: Alex777
                Block V is what Australia has long dreamed of.
                40 KR

                isn't it 24 (four poo of six cr)?
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 23 September 2021 16: 50
                  0
                  There were 12 initially in the nose (2x6) and additional insert. compartment 4x7 = 28.
                  Total: 40 Tomahawks. hi
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 23 September 2021 16: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    There were 12 initially in the nose (2x6) and additional insert. compartment 4x7 = 28.
                    Total: 40 Tomahawks. hi

                    Yes you are right
            2. Abbot
              Abbot 23 September 2021 15: 50
              -3
              For the breakdown of the deal, the French had to fork out 2015 million euros in 950. I remember the contract was in the amount of 1,3 billion. And then 66 billion. They will issue an invoice, but it is not clear how much the Australians will give them. And not very interesting, to be honest.
              1. Avior
                Avior 23 September 2021 16: 44
                -1
                Will not fork out, but return what has already been paid for Mistral
                1. Shurik70
                  Shurik70 23 September 2021 17: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: Abbot
                  And not very interesting, to be honest.

                  This is the most interesting thing.
                  The French made Mistrals and sold them to Egypt. So they compensated for the costs, but were left without profit.
                  And then the submarines did not even begin to do.
                  So if they get compensation, the profit will be big.
                  And Australia will suffer huge losses.
                  So the result is very interesting.
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 23 September 2021 23: 29
                  +2
                  Not certainly in that way. The return is 784 in my million. The rest is forfeit. The losses of France are much greater, since STX France then began to lose orders and, in my opinion, was already declared bankrupt. Although it was to support this shipyard that all this was originally done.
              2. den3080
                den3080 23 September 2021 16: 48
                +1
                Quote: Abbot
                For the breakdown of the deal, the French had to fork out 2015 million euros in 950. I remember the contract was in the amount of 1,3 billion. And then 66 billion. They will issue an invoice, but it is not clear how much the Australians will give them. And not very interesting, to be honest.

                They will sprinkle their ears from a dead donkey. They will catch up and sleep again.
                And then some Societe General will be fined 3-4 euros, purely for anxiety - the boys worked, strained (Anglo-Saxon).
                And the French will pay and will flow silently.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 23 September 2021 15: 18
          +1
          I doubt that the French will get anything. They will have to swallow dust while running around the courts.
          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 23 September 2021 15: 25
            +1
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            I doubt that the French will get anything. They will have to swallow dust while running around the courts.

            Keep
            1. Abbot
              Abbot 24 September 2021 02: 32
              0
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              I doubt that the French will get anything. They will have to swallow dust while running around the courts.

              Keep
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 23 September 2021 23: 21
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            Contract law is still in place. As well as the fact that the termination of the contract is clearly reflected in it, including all the sanctions in this case. But in general, real numbers rarely come up. They just try to hide them from the layman because they are often huge. The Australians will never reveal this data. But the fact that breaking the contract, they went to the loss is a fact. It simply does not happen otherwise.
      2. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 23 September 2021 16: 30
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        "Duck kind of got it." Nobody got it. We got the difference, at the ruble / dollar rate from when they paid for the construction, and when they returned to us. AND EVERYTHING. And they were glad that they had returned.
      3. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 23 September 2021 17: 03
        +1
        .... intend demand...
        What does both agreements are paid for by Canberra,

        Well zhurnalyugi, well literate! yes
    2. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 23 September 2021 14: 35
      +4
      So they have been demanding for a long time, the French paid off all the fines like cute ones.
      And now our helicopter carriers are being built in Crimea))
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 September 2021 14: 58
        +2
        Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
        So demanded for a long time, the French paid off all the fines like cute ones.

        Don't use incomprehensible words. There is - claim

        "Claim" is written by those who post announcements like: "Cold water will be turned off at your house"
        hi
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 23 September 2021 17: 09
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          "Cold water will be cut off at your house"

          yes From Ukraine ... on Kiev numbers repeat
        2. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 23 September 2021 23: 38
          0
          Don't use incomprehensible words. Yes - to claim

          Read above who wrote this word, and then run into whoever you need))
          Actually, what am I making excuses for?
          Are we doing philology here, or are we already?
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 September 2021 15: 26
        -2
        Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
        So they have been demanding for a long time, the French paid off all the fines like cute ones.

        what fines, dream ?! It's just that the French returned the money they received.
    3. AUL
      AUL 23 September 2021 14: 36
      +8
      The French were thrown on a large scale, but for some reason I don't feel sorry for them. How will backfire ...
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  2. rocket757
    rocket757 23 September 2021 14: 25
    +1
    So it’s normal, it’s logical .... it’s interesting to know what and what will be put on their demand.
    Alternatively, they WILL GIVE, and then another ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2021 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Alternatively, they WILL GIVE, and then another ...

      .... on the neck and in the ass.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 September 2021 15: 37
        +1
        So let's see ... right or wrong, and who will be made guilty? Boryusik has already advised the French, specifically and understandably ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 September 2021 16: 17
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Boryusik has already advised the French, specifically and understandably ...

          And Boryusik will not advise the "bad".
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 September 2021 20: 17
            +1
            Well zhentelmen to take their word for it ??? the prerogative of complete iDiet.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 24 September 2021 10: 50
              0
              Quote: rocket757


              Well zhentelmen on the word to believe ???

              These are gentlemen, and the Anglo-Saxons did not even stand and did not lie.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 September 2021 11: 16
                +1
                That Soviet films, one to one, to every fool SCIENCE!
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko 23 September 2021 20: 23
      +1
      They will put the middle finger in honor of the Battle of Agincourt.
      But seriously, it's good that the spiders in the bank are beginning to eat themselves, but it's also bad that the Anglo-Saxons finally realized that they need to concentrate their efforts.
  3. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 23 September 2021 14: 32
    0
    Well, as I understand it, we are talking not just about Wishlist and grievances, but about the fact that a couple of contracts have already been concluded, which means they will pay what was recorded in the documents for this case.
    1. alch3mist
      alch3mist 23 September 2021 16: 03
      -3
      a couple of contracts were awarded

      thanks for not "steam"у"
  4. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 23 September 2021 14: 34
    +1
    Paris intends to demand a penalty from Canberra for breaking the agreement.

    I wonder if dead kangaroo ears are the equivalent of dead donkey ears?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2021 14: 41
      +3
      Quote: Polite Elk
      I wonder if dead kangaroo ears are the equivalent of dead donkey ears?

      Two kangaroo ears, for one donkey's ears.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 23 September 2021 14: 53
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Two kangaroo ears, for one donkey's ears.

        Bargaining is appropriate.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 September 2021 16: 18
          -1
          Quote: Polite Elk
          Bargaining is appropriate.

          Then let's start - "Who is more!"
    2. Andrey Chizhevsky
      Andrey Chizhevsky 23 September 2021 15: 29
      +1
      More sleeves from a vest will do too. laughing
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 September 2021 14: 37
    -3
    But what do these Frenchmen allow themselves. Australia, in the course of the implementation of the general agreement, has already paid two contracts for 840 million euros and decided to terminate the contract without receiving anything. otherwise you don’t want to get your hands dirty. And here is a neighbor of a merchant, wai dear, why do you take it from him, it’s better (atomic) take it from me then we’ll be friends against your neighbor, they say you don’t like the color of his fence! Whom to choose (I would take at the third) .All boil over these 840 million. And what will the comrades from Israel (recognized experts in financial affairs) say about this, how the French will manage this situation.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 23 September 2021 16: 10
      -2
      Cons, probably from Ukraine, it turns out to be how you can breed friends.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 September 2021 16: 20
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And what will the comrades from Israel (recognized experts in financial affairs) say about this, how can the French manage this situation?

      Something while the comrades have become quiet. It smells of singe to nobility, they are silent.
  6. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 23 September 2021 14: 40
    +1
    Isn't it a lot of $ 66 billion for 12 diesel submarines?

    Why the hell is Australia going to spend money on diesel-electric submarines ?!

    Diesel-electric submarines are good only for the defense of their shores. And they are clearly not preparing for defense.

    Despite the fact that France has good nuclear-powered multipurpose submarines, with a small size Ruby 2600 tons (less than our Varshavyanka in 3600 tons and nuclear) and Suffren in 5300 tons of displacement.

    By the way, Russia should think about creating small and nuclear submarines, precisely as hunters for enemy submarines. We need our "Rube" to make a lot of them and not expensive.

    Apparently, we cannot pull many Ash trees, and why do we need a lot of them? Why do we need a lot of submarines and with a large stock of cruise missiles, if we first of all need hunter submarines in order to build at least some kind of counterweight to 100 NATO nuclear submarines?

    Yasen-M boats are huge and expensive because of the cruise missiles installed on them, and cruise missiles in vertical launchers on nuclear submarines are useless for confronting other nuclear submarines.

    We need a nuclear submarine that can stay in the sea for a long time and is excellent at finding and, if necessary, attacking enemy submarines and ships, and there should be a lot of them.

    And we will need nuclear submarines with cruise missiles when we reliably cover our waters and naval bases from under water, from water and from the air.
  7. Oleg83
    Oleg83 23 September 2021 15: 18
    -1
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Isn't it a lot of $ 66 billion for 12 diesel submarines?


    A lot, it turns out at 5,5 billion per boat, and atomic Virginia costs about 3 (plus or minus depending on the series). As for me, even the initial amount of 40 billion was closed.
    And what kind of compensation are the French talking about, the contract was signed in 2016, there is still no boat project for Australia, and the price has already risen by 26 billion and would have grown more, France has not yet named the start and end dates for the project - this is perhaps Australians need to take compensation from France, especially since part of the money has already been transferred to the French, but they have not received anything
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 23 September 2021 15: 51
      0
      The contract includes the construction of a miracle shipyard in Australia by the French to assemble some part of a submarine from French components.
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  9. north 2
    north 2 23 September 2021 15: 43
    -2
    belching of mistrals came at France.
    The doctor's patient complains that the taste has disappeared. Doctor to nurse talking,. that give the patient pill number 13. The patient ate the pill and told the doctor that the pill was made from manure. The doctor says to the patient - great - the taste is back. After some time, the patient again comes to the doctor and complains of memory loss. The doctor speaks to the nurse, - give the patient pill number 13. The patient ate the pill and told the doctor that he had eaten a pill made from manure again. The doctor says to the patient - great, the memory is back! ...
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 September 2021 15: 49
    -2
    Come on Macron, burn it. Then share your compensation for the Mistrals.
  11. zwlad
    zwlad 23 September 2021 16: 05
    -2
    after which the Australian authorities will be invoiced

    This is if there is a signed agreement, and if not, then the French "fly over Paris like plywood."
  12. orionvitt
    orionvitt 23 September 2021 22: 18
    -1
    in Paris intend to demand from Canberra a penalty for breaking the agreement.
    Yeah, you will get it. Is that from a dead donkey's ears. laughing
  13. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 23 September 2021 23: 03
    0
    Donut hole - they get
  14. dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky 24 September 2021 00: 59
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    in terms of price and timing, everything went too far

    It seems that you have conducted research and assessment of the firm's capabilities. Speak up on business, not nonsense.
  15. Siegfried
    Siegfried 24 September 2021 01: 08
    0
    I would advise France to offer submarines to China at cost.
  16. Abbot
    Abbot 24 September 2021 02: 29
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    So if they get compensation, the profit will be big.
    And Australia will suffer huge losses.

    I disagree. Arms deliveries are followed by service, spare parts, personnel training, etc. This is a lot of money for the entire period of operation of the submarine. And spent on design, on some initial cycles in construction, capacity reservation, loss of alternative contracts and so on. If the forfeit is viewed as some kind of unfair profit ... well, I don't know. It seems to me that you are overestimating. Again, what kind of money will Australia get, somehow purple.
  17. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 September 2021 03: 49
    0
    You have to pay for meanness !!! Mistrals backfired on you.
  18. Nexcom
    Nexcom 24 September 2021 08: 01
    0
    but the French do not demand or receive anything from the Americans.
    Biden has already rode over the ears of the French about the continuation of cooperation along the military line and not only.
    the French all their steam went off - they wanted to leave NATO, so their parliamentarians clearly indicated their own power - there will be no exit from NATO, "cooperation" will continue.
    Well, don’t let them. Let them "partner" further