Can electrical weapons prevent school shootings?

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Permian. New tragedy. The heart contracts with pain and longing. Young guys - they should learn, live, have families and raise children. But instead of the warm hands of family and friends, they will be embraced by the cold autumn land.

And is it only in youth that matters? One of the victims was 66 years old, but human life is certainly priceless at any age.

Of course, the internet is full of articles. They are written by caring people who are looking for, trying to come up with measures that can prevent such tragedies in the future. Alas, reading these articles, and the comments to them, I come to the conclusion that everything that my esteemed co-authors offer will hardly lead to anything.

Allow wearing short-barreled weapons for self-defense?



If the short-barrels become widespread, it is completely unclear whether this will reduce the number of executions in educational institutions or increase them? In the same United States, despite the right of citizens to own weapons up to and including a tank, such shootings periodically occur.

Tighten the rules for the sale of firearms?

How, excuse me? Sell ​​after 30 years and only to persons who have passed a psychophysiological examination?

Will not help. The Perm murderer lived with his parents (at least with his mother), did he get a weapon without her knowing?

The problem is that if 18-year-olds are forbidden to buy weapons, their parents will buy them for them - that's all. Parents have a blind spot on their children, their child is always the best in the world, always an angel, even if everyone else has long seen horns with hooves, and the smell of sulfur is felt a mile away. Of course, there are parents who see their offspring adequately, but only with such dads and mothers, children, as a rule, do not become maniacs.

Sell ​​only hunting weapons?

It won't help either. After practicing properly, you can reload a regular shotgun in 6-7 seconds, for some it takes less time.

Arm school and university guards, teachers?

Honestly - such an option. To shoot at a person is to be able to. A lot of ordinary people, carrying with them non-lethal anti-bullying agents, are unable to apply it in the event of a real "run over".

In addition, many school teachers themselves, how to put it mildly ... - let's just say, the above psychological test in any case will not pass. In fact, this measure can help in some cases, in others it will turn out to be useless, it is impossible to rely on it as a panacea, in any case.

Prohibit firearms completely?

Nothing good either, the interests of many people will be infringed upon. And in some cases, this can lead to the death of our fellow citizens - for example, those who live next to the wild nature, or those to whom the bandits broke into the apartment drunk.

So what to do?

Reverse solution


Theoretically speaking, the ideal solution would be a weapon that can shoot at anyone but an innocent person. On beer cans there or on ducks - please, but in a person - no, no, unless only when protecting your home.

But today, weapons with such properties are categorized as "science fiction". Yes, it is theoretically possible to make a "blotch" on a rifle, which, with the help of sensors and computers, recognizes the target and will block the shot if a person appears as a target. But in practice, this is unrealistic, and the cost of such a gun will be prohibitive.

But what if the weapon was turned off?

"On off"


Modern firearms are mechanics. However, at the current level of technology, it is not so difficult to create a hunting rifle and ammunition for it, in which the powder in the cartridge is ignited as a result of the action of an electric pulse. Electric spark, micro-arc, something else similar.

And electrics, unlike mechanics, are easy enough to turn off.

Suppose Russia stops manufacturing and retailing classic firearms domestically, but masters such an electric weapon. In which the electrician is a non-removable, non-disassembled unit, an attempt to open which irreversibly damages the weapon.


The user is only allowed to plug a charged battery into the connector, and that's it. And this block is turned off when a certain radio signal is received at a certain frequency.

Moreover, "switches" - transmitters of such a signal (with a range of 400-500 meters) are not sold freely, but they are "armed" with security guards and teachers of educational institutions, bankers, clerks, salespeople and other people who are on duty in crowded places. Heard the shots? I pressed the button. Psychologically it doesn't cost anything, you don't kill anyone. And this is much easier than taking a pistol and trying to neutralize an armed criminal. If you imagined it - it's okay. If the police are working, you didn’t interfere with them, their weapons are classic mechanics that do not depend on signals.

But if this is a shooter, like a Perm one, then his first shot will be the last.

It is known that such psychopaths are often driven by the "syndrome of God" - they want to feel themselves omnipotent, arbiters of destinies, at least for half an hour. And for the sake of this, they are often ready to flee from justice to death, as the same thugs-columbiners did.

But it is very difficult to feel like a "caliph for an hour" if you know that at any moment your weapon can simply turn off. And you will not escape into any death, because it is only with a firearm it is easy. And a little later, adults, very angry uncles, who drove up on alarm, will explain to you the depth of your delusions in an accessible and detailed way.

At the same time, such an electric weapon will be quite suitable for hunting, and for a shooting range, and for protecting property.

Of course, the weapons described above will not solve all problems.

Someone will be able to get a classic firearm, there will always be an underground market. Someone will switch to explosives. But nevertheless, I think, it is in this direction that we should move - it is realizable on the technologies of today and can really help.
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  1. +23
    28 September 2021 11: 06
    It's not about weapons, it's about brains.
    1. -6
      28 September 2021 11: 10
      Quote: knn54
      It's not about weapons, it's about brains.

      do you offer to chip?
      the switch is not on the trunk, but in the cranium?
      1. 0
        28 September 2021 19: 26
        And this is a thought.
        1. 0
          1 October 2021 06: 57
          Do not prompt, they will deliver !!!!
    2. +1
      28 September 2021 11: 24
      Quote: knn54
      It's not about weapons, it's about brains.

      Take the trunk, grab the knife
      1. -1
        28 September 2021 12: 20
        Take the trunk, grab the knife


        Well, not every pig can kill with a knife even purely physically. And only a few people ... One, and even then on the factor of surprise. The rest will run away, come to their senses and break their head with anything they can get.
        1. 0
          28 September 2021 13: 15
          Quote: dauria
          Well, not every pig can kill with a knife even purely physically. And already a few people

          go slaughter a pig
          not everyone dares to approach her
          and it is not easy to stab her
        2. +11
          28 September 2021 13: 36
          You have a very optimistic outlook on things.
          "..In Liaoning province in northeastern China, an unknown man with a knife attacked passers-by, killing and injuring 14 people."
          "More than 40 students and primary school staff in southern China in the Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region were stabbed in an attack, state media reported on Thursday, June 4. The attack took place in the morning in Wangfu village near Wuzhou city. A 50-year-old man who worked as a security guard at the school suddenly threw a knife at the children and adults who were in the building at the time. "
          ".. On the morning of Monday, September 21, a man armed with a knife attacked passers-by near a kindergarten in the Chinese city of Guangzhou, Guangdong province in southern China. As a result, they received stab wounds of varying severity. seven people".
          ".... The incident occurred on the territory of a kindergarten in the city of Beilu (Zhuang Autonomous Region). According to local media, an unknown man with a cold weapon climbed over the fence and ended up on the playground where children were playing. According to preliminary data, he injured 16 Two caregivers who tried to take the children away from the attacker were also stabbed. "
          "... In China, an unidentified man stabbed schoolchildren returning home after school with a knife. Seven died, twelve more children in the hospital. Seven children were killed in an armed attack by an unidentified man near the Mingzhi High School in Yulin County, China's Shaanxi Province . "
          But you will probably say, here, they say, kindergartens. Excuse me.
          "A man suspected of killing a man broke into a police station in Sichuan province in southwestern China, injuring several people, and two police officers died from their injuries," Chengdu Shanbao newspaper reported.
          R.S. Examples from China, since civilian circulation of firearms is prohibited there.
          In Russia, you can watch the incident in Surgut (a knife, 8 injured, a terrorist was promptly shot by a police outfit).
          1. -7
            28 September 2021 15: 44
            "A man suspected of killing a man broke into a police station in Sichuan province in southwestern China, injuring several people.

            And many offended "schoolchildren" and "Breiviks" are capable of this? Anyone will be dumbfounded from a double-barreled gun, and figurines from a knife, they will simply run away like a bull and begin to think. And do not confuse a knife and a gunshot wound that spreads the skull or even a water hammer on the internal organs.
            And then - of course there will be a shadow market for trunks, but at the very stage of searching for a trunk, many "kids" will get stuck.
            1. +7
              28 September 2021 16: 37
              And many offended "schoolchildren" and "Breiviks" are capable of this?

              About the same number as they are ready to shoot people. Well, they can choose who is more defenseless. Surgut gave an example.
              Anyone will be dumbfounded from a double-barreled gun, and figurines from a knife, they will simply run away like a bull

              (with interest) - have you ever been threatened with a knife? And somehow you in vain think that a maniac armed with a knife will stand while they "run away" from him.
              And don't confuse a knife wound and a gunshot wound that spreads a skull.

              yes, stab wounds are, of course, a trifle. Or in the neck. It is enough to hook the artery - you will have 2-3 minutes to live.
            2. +15
              28 September 2021 17: 07
              Chikatilo and a bunch of other psychos did without a firearm. The prohibition of firearms will do nothing, they will kill with knives and axes. By the way, even in the United States, where people have more weapons in their hands than people themselves, they often kill with kitchen knives ... normal children (people). Under Stalin, a double-barreled gun could be bought in the selmag freely and it hung on a nail driven into the wall, but no one was insolent, because the crime was followed by a punishment, strict and obligatory. The problem is not in firearms, but in a society in which a certain category of people simply became brutalized and insolent from impunity and enormous conceit. Recently I cross the road and Gelik rushes to a red light ... these teenagers, who have tens of thousands of rubles to buy weapons, are also not eating their last crack ... the country will be bigger ... and while the law is not strict with everyone, the country will remain a mess.
              1. AUL
                +5
                28 September 2021 18: 56
                Quote: Shadow041
                The prohibition of firearms will do nothing, they will kill with knives and axes. By the way, even in the USA, where people have more weapons in their hands than people themselves, they often kill with kitchen knives ...

                It is not a weapon that kills - a man kills! According to statistics, in the Russian Federation, most of the murders are domestic, committed with kitchen knives, bottles and a stool for kumpol. And a scanty amount of crimes is committed with legal weapons. Whoever needs it, and illegal will get it without much difficulty - the crime left guns enough.
                And the idea of ​​electric weapons is simply naive. In order to introduce new weapons in the country, it will first be necessary to withdraw all the old ones, otherwise they will not buy new ones. Moreover, to block 100% of imports, legal and illegal. So it doesn't smell like reality!
                1. +5
                  28 September 2021 19: 13
                  Not only do I agree with you, I will also add that a weapon is a weapon and it should work in any weather, and the Wasp traumatic pistol, which was made with an electric trigger, has good power, but lousy reliability. There the fuse from the electric trigger (pieza, or battery) then the contact moved away, then the pieza was covered, and in the rain it is generally better not to use it ... all these electric weapons are bullshit ... the same is all sorts of nonsense made of powder steel, dropped, burst ... That is why I have always advised everyone to use weapons made of weapon steel, this is a reliable classic, not a newfangled bullshit ... In addition, the very idea of ​​turning off weapons within the city is absurd, since weapons are necessary for self-defense and most crimes are committed in the city, and the police are not It is not realistic to put every corner. The law on self-defense in the Russian Federation also needs to be changed, canceling all the limits of self-defense. All the blame for the consequences should be placed on the attackers ... who entered the apartment, into the house, on a fenced plot of land without an invitation ...
              2. +3
                28 September 2021 19: 29
                That's right, special schools and mercilessly crush all sorts of aue, in such terms that the whole life would pass behind a thorn.
                1. +4
                  28 September 2021 19: 33
                  Well, as a matter of fact, it makes no sense to release recidivist criminals from prison, they will still take up the old, so as for me, the maximum 4th conviction, regardless of the severity of the crime, should be life-long, because these are already incorrigible and not in prison them, and on felling, or build roads in the north.
          2. 0
            29 September 2021 12: 24
            Quote: Ryazanets87
            You have a very optimistic outlook on things.
            "..In Liaoning province in northeastern China, an unknown man with a knife attacked passers-by, killing and injuring 14 people."
            "More than 40 students and primary school staff in southern China in the Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region were stabbed in an attack, state media reported on Thursday, June 4. The attack took place in the morning in Wangfu village near Wuzhou city. A 50-year-old man who worked as a security guard at the school suddenly threw a knife at the children and adults who were in the building at the time. "
            ".. On the morning of Monday, September 21, a man armed with a knife attacked passers-by near a kindergarten in the Chinese city of Guangzhou, Guangdong province in southern China. As a result, they received stab wounds of varying severity. seven people".
            ".... The incident occurred on the territory of a kindergarten in the city of Beilu (Zhuang Autonomous Region). According to local media, an unknown man with a cold weapon climbed over the fence and ended up on the playground where children were playing. According to preliminary data, he injured 16 Two caregivers who tried to take the children away from the attacker were also stabbed. "
            "... In China, an unidentified man stabbed schoolchildren returning home after school with a knife. Seven died, twelve more children in the hospital. Seven children were killed in an armed attack by an unidentified man near the Mingzhi High School in Yulin County, China's Shaanxi Province . "
            But you will probably say, here, they say, kindergartens. Excuse me.
            "A man suspected of killing a man broke into a police station in Sichuan province in southwestern China, injuring several people, and two police officers died from their injuries," Chengdu Shanbao newspaper reported.
            R.S. Examples from China, since civilian circulation of firearms is prohibited there.
            In Russia, you can watch the incident in Surgut (a knife, 8 injured, a terrorist was promptly shot by a police outfit).

            Just to kill at least a few people, the killer must have excellent physical training, be able to handle a knife like a weapon, and also have an appropriate psychological attitude. Not everyone will be able to strike in a row, and while moving. Hands will go numb and there will not be enough breathing apparatus. Even in spetsnaz, knife training takes an average of 2 months to teach a person a minimum of skills in handling a knife, and half of this period bluntly cut through the air with a knife, accustoming his hands to holding a knife and the ability to strike without stopping for up to several minutes. a few seconds, since he will not be able to stupidly hold it, let alone stick it into someone. That is, a person must either train with a knife for several months for several hours a day, for example, from lessons on the Internet or after passing the appropriate training. This is very serious physical and mental stress, which not everyone can withstand. With a firearm, everything is easier in terms of Physics, after training and obtaining weapons, a couple of trips to the shooting range are enough and the shooter is ready. Yes, and psychologically it is much easier to shoot from a distance than approaching and sticking a knife. So not everyone will be capable of this, let alone a 17-18 year old boy. And all the shootings are just connected with juvenile shooters. When it comes to knives, as a rule, these are adult men who more often have undergone some training. Even these cases from China were officially recognized as terrorist attacks, since they were committed by fighters professionally trained in various training centers. And I don’t need to tell me that anyone can take a knife and kill several people. Anyone can’t. Since after the first blow, blood will get into his face and hands, his eyes can be flooded with blood, a knife will slip out of his slippery hands. there will be blood on which an unprepared fighter will slip and fall, so all such an unprepared knife terrorist can do is not fatally cut a few people. Ms. can protect clothes, any means at hand, as well as a reaction. And you can run away from a knife. Nothing will help from a bullet and especially buckshot. So your judgments that it is easy to kill with a knife is simply calculated on drunken stabbing when they cut someone in the helplessness of a person who is most often already asleep.
            1. +2
              29 September 2021 13: 36
              Just to kill at least a few people, the killer must have excellent physical fitness.

              No. The most ordinary people in fights cut to death 2-3 people easily. At work I saw such characters - not special forces from the word at all.
              be able to handle a knife like a weapon

              If you mean knife fighting skills, then no. As, in fact, for mass shooting tactical shooting skills are not required.
              have an appropriate mental attitude

              Here I completely agree. As in principle for premeditated murder.
              "that is, a person must either train with a knife for several months for several hours a day"

              those. an adult male maniac attacks, say, a kindergarten and "in a few seconds he won't be able to hold a knife" or an ax?
              You know, personally at the Serbian Research Institute I saw an alcoholic about 60 years old, drank to the "voices" and ran into the playground with an ax. About a dozen victims, at least one without a hand was left. I don't know, maybe this one trained, of course.
              Even these cases from China were officially recognized as terrorist attacks, since they were committed by fighters professionally trained in various training centers.

              if you read carefully, you would notice that there are a minority of professionally trained people (I'm not talking about the attacks of the Uighurs).
              And I don’t need to tell me that anyone can take a knife and kill several people. Anyone can’t.

              Well, not everyone can take a shotgun and shoot a dozen or two people, fortunately.
              .So all that such an unprepared knife terrorist can do is not fatally cut a few people.

              "... On Wednesday morning, a 48-year-old resident of Nanzheng County named Wu Huanming, armed with a kitchen knife, attacked a kindergarten in that county near Hanzhong City in Shaanxi Province. Five boys, two girls, and the owner and a kindergarten teacher, 50-year-old Wu Hongying. Later in the hospital, her 80-year-old mother, who was also a victim of an attack, died from her injuries. In total, 11 people were hospitalized after the incident with stab wounds, and doctors qualify the injuries of two children as serious. attack, the offender returned home, where he committed suicide. According to preliminary data, the cause of the tragedy could be a dispute over the building of the kindergarten.
              He stabbed 9 people with an ordinary kitchen knife, wounded 11. No, maybe he is a former Special Forces soldier, of course. Or trained for six months.
              By the way, women do about the same thing, do not underestimate them:
              "On September 21, 2018, in Queens, New York, a woman attacked a XNUMX-hour kindergarten with a knife. Five people, including three children, were stabbed. The woman was detained."
              1. -2
                30 September 2021 05: 07
                Quote: Ryazanets87
                Just to kill at least a few people, the killer must have excellent physical fitness.

                No. The most ordinary people in fights cut to death 2-3 people easily. At work I saw such characters - not special forces from the word at all.
                be able to handle a knife like a weapon

                If you mean knife fighting skills, then no. As, in fact, for mass shooting tactical shooting skills are not required.
                have an appropriate mental attitude

                Here I completely agree. As in principle for premeditated murder.
                "that is, a person must either train with a knife for several months for several hours a day"

                those. an adult male maniac attacks, say, a kindergarten and "in a few seconds he won't be able to hold a knife" or an ax?
                You know, personally at the Serbian Research Institute I saw an alcoholic about 60 years old, drank to the "voices" and ran into the playground with an ax. About a dozen victims, at least one without a hand was left. I don't know, maybe this one trained, of course.
                Even these cases from China were officially recognized as terrorist attacks, since they were committed by fighters professionally trained in various training centers.

                if you read carefully, you would notice that there are a minority of professionally trained people (I'm not talking about the attacks of the Uighurs).
                And I don’t need to tell me that anyone can take a knife and kill several people. Anyone can’t.

                Well, not everyone can take a shotgun and shoot a dozen or two people, fortunately.
                .So all that such an unprepared knife terrorist can do is not fatally cut a few people.

                "... On Wednesday morning, a 48-year-old resident of Nanzheng County named Wu Huanming, armed with a kitchen knife, attacked a kindergarten in that county near Hanzhong City in Shaanxi Province. Five boys, two girls, and the owner and a kindergarten teacher, 50-year-old Wu Hongying. Later in the hospital, her 80-year-old mother, who was also a victim of an attack, died from her injuries. In total, 11 people were hospitalized after the incident with stab wounds, and doctors qualify the injuries of two children as serious. attack, the offender returned home, where he committed suicide. According to preliminary data, the cause of the tragedy could be a dispute over the building of the kindergarten.
                He stabbed 9 people with an ordinary kitchen knife, wounded 11. No, maybe he is a former Special Forces soldier, of course. Or trained for six months.
                By the way, women do about the same thing, do not underestimate them:
                "On September 21, 2018, in Queens, New York, a woman attacked a XNUMX-hour kindergarten with a knife. Five people, including three children, were stabbed. The woman was detained."

                Well, I will not discuss this for a long time, I will just briefly say that the former training of these people is absolutely unknown, your same 60-year-old drunk could be a veteran of special forces who served in Afghanistan. This is for example. I certainly have no doubt that you have a large circle acquaintances, each of whom stabbed several people in a fight with a knife, but all the same it sounds very unconvincing, I did cut it, maybe stabbed to death, alas, I don’t believe. Well, about the Chinese, they have a different mentality, they have to attend martial arts schools in order things, where they teach, including how to handle cold weapons, and how to properly hold and use a boken or kodachi, many already know how from an early age. And the number of these cases in their population is just ridiculous. adult men, so that something prompted them to do this, something had to happen in their lives, if we discard terrorist motives. And we are talking about yesterday's children. So these children do not cost anything under the current laws in 18 years to buya gun and go to kill. It is now fashionable and the Internet is replete with new messages about possible executions. Children already simply put such statuses in social networks for the sake of hype. But with a knife in hand they will not be able to go somewhere on such feats. And when they grow up, they will start a family and work, they will no longer be up to it.
                1. +1
                  30 September 2021 13: 15
                  the same 60-year-old drunk of yours could have been a special forces veteran who served in Afghanistan.

                  For example, it was an ordinary person who did not serve in any special forces. Besides, in bad physical shape. Drunkenness, smoking, and poor nutrition are somehow not conducive.
                  Of course, I have no doubt that you have a large circle of acquaintances, each of whom stabbed several people in a fight with a knife.

                  Yes, somehow your doubts and mockery are indifferent to me. Work for a year in the Department of Internal Affairs, on the "ground", you yourself will acquire a wide range of knowledge and acquaintances of the same kind. One and a half years was enough for me.
                  still it sounds very unconvincing

                  Believe-not-believe is your business. I definitely do not advise you to check it. Although people are tenacious - I saw a figure who was beaten on the head with a board with a nail. He remained alive, however, he became like Frankenstein.
                  Well, about the Chinese, they have a different mentality, they have to attend martial arts schools in the order of things, where they teach, among other things, to handle cold weapons

                  Well, yes, and all Japanese are judo and karate masters. And the Yakuza are at least in the personnel reserve.
                  And we are talking about yesterday's children ... But with a knife in hand, they will not be able to go somewhere on such feats.

                  Surgut, 2017
                  A 19-year-old native of Dagestan by the name of Artur Gadzhiev, who had a dummy belt of a suicide bomber, set fire to the Severny shopping center, after which he attacked passers-by with a knife and an ax, wounding 8 people, two of them seriously. He was shot by a police squad after a short chase.
                  "... I tried to strike blows in the neck and stomach."
                  "... Hajiyev ran down the street with a knife, stabbing random passers-by until he was shot by a police officer 600 meters from the" Severny "."
                  In short, if it had not been shot, I would not have stopped and obviously had no intention of dropping the knife.
                  Here is Gadzhiev himself, a former student of the polytechnic college (like Roslyakov). He did not kill someone simply by a miracle, the same seriously wounded people were simply helped promptly.
                  You can independently assess his physical condition and special skills.



                  Or is 19 years old already?
        3. +1
          28 September 2021 21: 33
          Quote: dauria
          Well, not every pig can kill with a knife even purely physically.
          And where does everyone? France, remember how many were stabbed there tightly?
        4. 0
          30 September 2021 22: 58
          Quote: dauria
          Well, not every pig can kill with a knife even purely physically. And only a few people ... One, and even then on the factor of surprise. The rest will run away, come to their senses and break their head with anything they can get.

          It is very easy to stab a person with a knife. Just trust a person who has worked in the police for more than one year. Even a short kitchen knife, stuck deep enough in the body of a person, easily sends him to a conversation with the Apostle Peter to the gates of Paradise. They kill with one blow to the shoulder blade, kill with a blow to the leg, kill with a blow to the stomach. Even fragile girls can handle it easily.
    3. 0
      28 September 2021 11: 34
      I totally agree with you!
      If the child lives in a normal sociological environment, well-fed, normally dressed and shod. If there are no scandals between parents and relatives in the house (unemployment, low wages, housing troubles, etc.), then the Perm, Kazan, Crimean tragedies will be reduced to a minimum!
      1. +7
        28 September 2021 11: 44
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I totally agree with you!
        If the child lives in a normal sociological environment, well-fed, normally dressed and shod. If there are no scandals between parents and relatives in the house (unemployment, low wages, housing troubles, etc.), then the Perm, Kazan, Crimean tragedies will be reduced to a minimum!

        "Then no one would be chatting if everyone had a good house in a pine forest, in the mountains, a lot of bread and butter and no bombing" (c) 17 moments of spring ...
        Alas, too much - if ...
      2. +1
        28 September 2021 11: 45
        I totally agree with you!
        If the child lives in a normal sociological environment, well-fed, normally dressed and shod. If there are no scandals between parents and relatives in the house (unemployment, low wages, housing troubles, etc.), then the Perm, Kazan, Crimean tragedies will be reduced to a minimum!

        A child can go, take a knife and go to cut from permissiveness and a well-fed life. Kittens first, and then people. Everyone's psychology is different.
      3. -1
        28 September 2021 12: 33
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        If the child lives in a normal sociological environment, well-fed, normally dressed and shod.

        Do you think Breivik lived like a bum?

        On July 22, 2011, Breivik cynically shot 77 people! At the same time, 34 were killed between the ages of 14 and 17, and 242 people were injured.
        1. -5
          28 September 2021 13: 29
          I indicated that - will be reduced to a minimum! Can you also name Breivik's fellow citizens who have become the same nutcase?
          1. +1
            28 September 2021 13: 35
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Can you also name Breivik's fellow citizens who have become the same nutcase?

            I can not. But I still think that the social situation does not give guarantees.
            I don't remember, it seems in the 70s the millionaire's daughter went to the terrorists in the "Red Brigades"
            1. 0
              28 September 2021 16: 49
              this?
              In February 1974, Patty Hirst, the daughter of American billionaire and newspaper tycoon Randolph Hirst, was kidnapped by the radical leftist terrorist group Symbionist Liberation Army. The girl was locked in a closet for two months, the gag was not taken out of her mouth for the first few days, the blindfold was not removed from her eyes, and she was not allowed to go to the toilet. The prisoner was beaten and raped. ... two months after the abduction, the terrorists showed an audio recording in which Patty Hirst announced her joining the "Army". The girl renounced her name, refused to return to her family and announced that, together with her “new friends,” she was beginning to “fight for peace.” In the next six months, Patty took part in robberies and murders as part of the group. In September, the girl was arrested. Patty admitted that all this time she lived literally at gunpoint. In case of disobedience, she was threatened with brutal reprisals, constantly raped, she was ready for death every minute. The examination confirmed that Patricia has a serious post-traumatic disorder.

              On March 20, 1976, Hirst was sentenced to seven years in prison for participating in a bank robbery, despite efforts by lawyers to portray her as a kidnapping victim.

              Three years later, the sentence was overturned. Classic Stockholm Syndrome.
        2. +1
          28 September 2021 19: 37
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Do you think Breivik lived like a bum?

          Breivik had a debt of 50 thousand dollars to the bank.
    4. +9
      28 September 2021 12: 20
      It's not about weapons, it's about brains
      Exactly, it is necessary to work with youth, as in a union (free and accessible to everyone sports sections, hobby groups, etc. etc.) did, and now it all comes down to "keep and not let go" and the next "tightening the screws" after such cases, which affects only law-abiding citizens who own weapons.
      1. +3
        28 September 2021 12: 59
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk, with all due respect, does not "move the bed ..." but work with young people, for whom the state has openly "hammered".
        1. +2
          28 September 2021 13: 47
          Quote: Dead Day
          with all due respect, it’s not "the beds need to be moved ..." but with the youth to work

          The trouble is that explosions and shooting happened even in the USSR (say, 1950, 1958), there were just mass shootings (1968), and there they still tried very hard to work with young people.
          No one argues that it is necessary to work, but this also does not resolve the issue.
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 15: 45
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            No one argues that it is necessary to work, but this also does not resolve the issue.

            To resolve the issue 100% for this, there must be absolute control on the part of the state. What are we actually going to. But having excluded the threat from psychopaths, we, on the other hand, will give carte blanche for state arbitrariness and permissiveness of the authorities. But in power, too, people sit with their cockroaches in their heads. Terrorist attacks are scary. Especially when there is a resonance across the country. The solution is our own "inner policeman" as in R. Sheckley's novel "The Civilization of Status", but do we all want to live in such a civilization of obedient dummies?
            1. +6
              28 September 2021 17: 15
              I think in order to avoid government excesses, it is necessary to stop defending the rights of social elements and psychos to the detriment of the rights of normal people. In the old days, psychos and other abnormal (drunkards who drink to hell, drug addicts), convicted persons had a stamp in their passports that a person was not normal, or a bandit. This stamp needs to be returned, and not to kill normal people in kilometer-long queues in a psycho and drug dispensaries because of a certificate that is needed to renew a driver's license, or a weapon permit ... these people have had such permits for many years and there is nothing to tyrannize them for the sake of those, who doesn't want to live without drugs ...
              1. 0
                28 September 2021 18: 48
                Quote: Shadow041
                This stamp needs to be returned

                Everything depends on who will put this stamp. And if it is the one who first put on the robe? And in general, if you think about it like that, the authorities benefit from a certain percentage of madmen in society. This is a great distraction from other pressing problems. So this trick from Perm, as ordered, did his dirty deed exactly after the controversial elections ... Coincided or not, but the deed was done - the attention was partially removed from the elections. The children died, there is no time for the honesty of the vote.
                1. +3
                  28 September 2021 19: 24
                  In some ways you are right, but in the old days any district police officer knew inadequate, they had been brought to the police, were registered in the children's room of the police, and so on ... the same is true for all recidivist criminals, regardless of the severity of the crimes (for they are incorrigible and tend to break the law). Reconsider all cases of self-defense, changing the law on self-defense so that all the blame for the consequences falls solely on the one who attacked, entered someone else's home, or on a fenced land plot without an invitation (burglary, theft, etc.) and, accordingly, a stamp in the passport) to everyone who gets drunk to hell, everyone who was caught in nightclubs with traces of drug injections ...
                  1. +1
                    28 September 2021 20: 28
                    Quote: Shadow041
                    Reconsider all cases of self-defense, changing the law on self-defense so that all the blame for the consequences falls solely on the one who attacked, entered someone else's home, or on a fenced plot of land without an invitation (burglary, theft, etc.)

                    Do you want to be like in the USA? Are you swinging the boat? Oh well...
                    Quote: Shadow041
                    everyone caught in nightclubs with drug injections ...

                    And who will catch? Are these:
                    The Russian Guard, who extorted 300 thousand from the student, were sent to a colony.
                    The officers of the Russian Guard, who in June 2019 staged a drug planting on a 16-year-old schoolboy, after which they extorted 300 thousand rubles from him, were sent to a general regime colony.

                    Who will stamp those who stamp them? In general, if according to the mind and conscience, then it would be possible to improve the health of society. Not 100% by itself, we do not live in an ideal world, but significantly. And this should be done by the state - for this it has all the tools. But if civil society is healthy in every sense, then it may want a different government ...
                    1. 0
                      28 September 2021 20: 38
                      You know, the police periodically visit nightclubs, since such places are not always clean, and there you can ask suspicious persons to roll up their sleeves. It is not necessary to see a scumbag with enlarged pupils of a big mind, and for the pros it is not a problem at all. Corruption in the police exists all over the world, alas, just like the black market for weapons ... that's why I am against the ban on carrying weapons in the Russian Federation, they will not be taken away from the bandits, and disarming law-abiding people is not a very smart thing to do. ..Nobody canceled the medical commission when recruiting to the police ... To monitor the implementation of the law, this is the problem today ... Suffice it to recall the story of a 5-year-old child who allegedly drank a bucket of vodka and threw himself under the wheels of a bandit's wife's car ... And in the United States, in states where civilian weapons are prohibited, more grave crimes are committed than where they are allowed, so YES, I am in favor of every normal law-abiding person having the right to bear arms ... BUT 21 years ... the age of majority in the USA ... Many people really have a lot of questions to the government, but ... everyone has their own understanding of happiness, someone remembers the 90s with pleasure, and I only curse and swear at all these grief reformers, such as Judushka Gorbachev and Alkanaft Yeltsin.I am against all these pro-American ultra-right parties and persons like Mr. Yavlinsky, whom I strongly advise to carry out his reforms in Poland, and not in my RF .... I don’t need the new 90s, I don’t see anything good in them, neither for myself, not for the Russian Federation.
                      1. 0
                        28 September 2021 21: 14
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        Nobody canceled the medical board when hiring the police ...

                        As well as the bribery on this medical board.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        And in the United States, in states where civilian weapons are prohibited, more grave crimes are committed than where they are allowed, so YES, I am in favor of every normal law-abiding person having the right to bear arms ...

                        America has developed a culture of gun ownership. Since the days of the Wild West, they have learned how to behave in a society where everyone has a weapon. Compare even with England or France. In England, even the sentry police often walk around without weapons. The British did not have their own "Wild West" and frontier. In Russia, there was such a "West" - the Cossacks. But how many of those real Cossacks are there now? Yes, and several generations of Cossacks under Soviet rule did not particularly own weapons. Hunting if only.
                        I myself am in favor of allowing adequate people to carry weapons, but there are so many nuances and pitfalls in this topic ...
                      2. +2
                        28 September 2021 21: 25
                        There is corruption all over the world ... And the Russian Federation has its own culture, for example, I have been the owner of weapons for 20 years ... Under Stalin, hunting weapons were freely sold in the selmag and kept on a nail driven into the wall ... In tsarist times, weapons, including pistols and revolvers, sold in stores ... In some post-Soviet republics, it is also allowed to carry weapons, including a short-barreled ... So in England, the police on the street are already raped by Arabs, you want this in Russia ?! There are fewer stones and nuances than you think ... Allow the carrying of weapons from the age of 21 (at the age of 21 a person is smarter and more mentally stable than at the age of 18), as much as possible excluding access to weapons of criminals and mentally inadequate (psychos, drunks, drug addicts) ... Alas, one can only strive for an ideal society and prohibitions on carrying weapons, for law-abiding citizens, cannot be achieved ...
                      3. -2
                        28 September 2021 21: 53
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        So in England, the Arabs are already raping policemen on the street, do you want this in Russia ?!

                        What does this have to do with it? I gave an example that even in such a "free" country, possession of weapons is prohibited, up to (partially) the police.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        Allow the carrying of weapons from the age of 21 (at the age of 21 a person is smarter and more mentally stable than at the age of 18)

                        And at 40 it is more stable than at 21, and at 65 ...
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        by maximally excluding access to weapons of criminals and mentally inadequate

                        And then, when the adequate ones shoot the inadequate ones - we'll live! After all, for this, a short-barrel is needed adequate? To defend against inadequate, do I understand correctly? Perhaps some of the inadequacies will turn out to be prudent, but not all the same.
                      4. +4
                        28 September 2021 22: 49
                        And I gave you an example that England is an extremely unsuccessful example and the prohibition of weapons did not go to her good ... to afford personal protection, like the old woman Elsa ... In the Baltic republics, short-barrels are allowed and there live the same people as in the Russian Federation, from the former USSR and no one shot anyone there ... and in the Russian Federation it will be the same ... Statements about the fact that if suddenly the short-barreled in the Russian Federation is allowed, everyone will shoot everyone, these are empty unjustified fears and the Baltic republics, where the short-barreled is allowed, a vivid example ... Moreover, the short-barreled in the Russian Federation was proposed to be equated to a rifled hunting weapon, which means that it should be sold only those who have 5 years of experience of owning a smoothbore, which is a sufficient guarantee of the adequacy of a person.
                      5. -1
                        28 September 2021 23: 36
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        In the Baltic republics, short-barrels are allowed and there are people like in the Russian Federation, from the former USSR, and no one has shot anyone there ... and in the Russian Federation it will be the same ...

                        The Baltics do not have the same Caucasians who often use knives and injuries in conflicts. Do you think it will be difficult for them to get hold of a firearm if the opportunity arises? Oh yes! I forgot - adequate people will also have "trunks" ...
                        There is also no huge number of migrants there, who create a breeding ground for crime.
                        And then: I am not arguing with you and am not against legalization. But for this there is a lot to do. To shovel the legislation, introduce strict control on medical commissions, retrain police personnel, organize shooting ranges, find / train instructors, etc. etc.
                        And although everyone will not shoot everyone, the first few years will be "fun" ...
                      6. 0
                        29 September 2021 07: 42
                        Speaking about the bandits from the Caucasus, you forget that they already have weapons, you are now talking about how Caucasians shoot from Kalash at their weddings ... such scumbags of all nationalities, normal people need protection, which today, alas, for some reason the government cannot provide ... By the way, at the expense of the Baltics and Caucasians in it: it is in the Baltics, for banditry, that his own son is in jail Dzhokhar Dudaev himself ... Migrants are not citizens of the Russian Federation and should not be allowed to buy weapons in the Russian Federation at all ... Control is needed not at medical commissions, but much earlier, so that all these drug addicts, drunks and criminals are on strict account and before these medical commissions in general were not allowed. Such people need to be weeded out even on the distant approaches to the paperwork for the trunks, and for the driver's license too ...
                      7. +1
                        29 September 2021 11: 36
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        you are now about how Caucasians shoot from Kalash at their weddings ...

                        No, I mean that as soon as the short-barrel is allowed, shootings will begin.
                        And you misunderstood about migrants. I meant that they would start shooting them, as there is a lot of crime from them.
                      8. 0
                        30 September 2021 21: 51
                        They will start shooting not migrants, but their criminal part, and it is better to shoot them than bandits will continue to kill normal, law-abiding people with impunity. And there won't be as many skirmishes as you think. I had experience working with criminals, most of these people are not inclined to throw their chest on the barrel, the presence of the barrel makes them a lot less greyhounds ... or even as quiet as mice. It's like with burglaries, apartments with bad doors and locks are more often robbed, not because they have more money, but because they can be robbed more easily and faster, which means there is less chance of catching a criminal, because every minute spent in someone else's apartment plays against him, increasing the chance of being caught
                      9. 0
                        1 October 2021 14: 36
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        And there won't be as many skirmishes as you think.

                        This is just your opinion. We cannot jump into the future and find out if there will be many or not many shootings.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        having a trunk makes them a lot less greyhounds ... or even as quiet as mice.

                        And maybe it will push to the fact that the criminal element wants to acquire a barrel himself. Previously, a knife was enough for him, but now it will turn out to be a kind of "arms race". You have a trunk, and it has a trunk. Only you, purely psychologically, will not be able to constantly be on alert without knowing when the attack will occur, but the criminal knows. And it will wait for you at the most inopportune moment.
                        Let's take an accident for comparison. A car, like a weapon, is a means of increased danger. Also, to obtain a license, you must pass a medical examination. And what is our situation with this? A bunch of reckless drivers with purchased rights.

                        And unlike the culture of gun ownership, car ownership did not start here yesterday.
                      10. +1
                        1 October 2021 14: 45
                        My opinion is based on the fact that in a number of republics of the former USSR, where people are the same as in the Russian Federation, short-barrels are allowed and this did not result in mass shootings and it will not spill over into the Russian Federation ... The criminal element today already has a firearm bought on the black market, and not to allow the courtyard blue gopniks to buy weapons, this is the task of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for which they are paid money and they also need to be asked for the result of their work, up to criminal cases under the article Negligence ... Get away with it, then ask the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and personally VVP - When will it end ?! Personally, I'm not going to answer for other people's jambs ...
                      11. 0
                        1 October 2021 15: 18
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        Well, if they buy rights in the Russian Federation and they get away with it, then ask the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and personally VVP - When will it end ?!

                        Good. As soon as I meet one of them, I will definitely ask.
                        And you, in turn, ask the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        this is the task of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for which they are paid money and they also need to be asked for the result of their work, up to criminal cases under the article Negligence ...

                        The authorities are satisfied with this situation. Why do I think so? Yes, because it would not suit you - tough measures would be taken. But they apparently have more important things to do ...
                        And which CIS countries are you talking about? About the Balts or what? Well, firstly: they themselves are rather phlegmatic people who first think before they start firing from all the trunks at once. Secondly: most likely, only citizens of the state are allowed weapons there, so by and large this does not apply to Russian residents. Thirdly, these are small countries with a fairly homogeneous population, i.e. not multinational like Russia (in particular Georgia).
                      12. +1
                        1 October 2021 18: 23
                        Well, if the authorities are happy with the mess in the Russian Federation, these are their problems and the problems of those who voted for them, and I am worried about my personal safety and therefore I am in favor of having the opportunity to buy any weapon I need, for my personal self-defense. We already have the Ministry of Internal Affairs more than the Armed Forces, but I don't feel safe, and believe me, if my hunting rifle is confiscated from me, it won't be easier and safer for you to live, it will only become more dangerous, because one adequate armed man who could intercede for there will be less of you and your loved ones on the street in the Russian Federation. Are you saying that Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians are smarter than Russians? Don't you think that this is discrimination based on ethnicity? And if you consider that the entire industry has been destroyed in the Baltics and are living on EU subsidies, which the EU is cutting back, then you cannot call them smart. The outflow of the population from these countries is higher than from the Russian Federation. As for citizenship, there are no more non-citizens there, now all citizens are there, and even before, to obtain citizenship, it was necessary to just pass an exam in the knowledge of the state language. law-abidingness ... as far as the moon ... In addition, in the Russian Federation, it is also possible to adopt a law on citizenship modeled on Saudi Arabia and exclude the possibility of buying weapons for people who have come to Russia from the former USSR who are offended by the Russian Federation ...
                      13. 0
                        1 October 2021 22: 08
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        Are you saying that Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians are smarter than Russians? Don't you think that this is discrimination based on ethnicity?

                        Don't you think you're twisting?
                        I don't think the Balts are smarter than the Russians. It was not about the mind, but about the difference in mentality. They are less impulsive in nature. Remember the jokes about Estonians. Russians have hotter blood, so to speak. And the southerners are even hotter.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        In addition, in the Russian Federation, you can also adopt a law on citizenship.

                        Can. Accept.
                        You have such claims to me as if I personally limit the civilian arms market. I wrote to you that in principle I agree with you. But there is an objective reality, ce la vie.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        Well, if the authorities are happy with the mess in the Russian Federation, this is their problem.

                        You are wrong. These are not their problems. They drive armored cars with security and live behind high fences. The sheriff does not care about the problems of the Indians. That this situation needs to be changed - again, I agree.
                        Quote: Shadow041
                        and believe me if they confiscate my hunting carbine it will not become easier and safer for you, it will only become more dangerous, because one adequate armed person who could intercede for you and your loved ones on the street

                        Do you walk the streets with a carbine? Cool...
                      14. +1
                        1 October 2021 22: 23
                        If we recall the jokes, then the Georgians in general are completely sick with almost rabies, calmness and adequacy do not differ, but despite this, they have a short-barrel and Georgia does not even try to shoot itself on a biblical scale. In addition, short-barrels are allowed in Moldova and nothing, hot gypsy blood does not interfere with the observance of the law ... and there are no mass shootings there either. I walk the streets with a premium pistol, or a traumatic revolver, but I will have to take the SCS, if it’s not safe to walk down the street without it. The SCS had to be transported in the car when he was carrying some valuables. For example I bought an apartment. PSM against the bandits with AK is still rather weak, but the SCS allows with a guarantee, if not to fight back, then at least not to lose on a dry basis.
                      15. 0
                        1 October 2021 22: 38
                        The number of civilian weapons per 100 people in Russia - 12.3 in Georgia - 10.1 in Moldova - 3.0 in Estonia - 5.0
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Примерное_число_гражданского_оружия_на_душу_населения_по_странам
                        How do you like these calculations?
                      16. +1
                        2 October 2021 10: 33
                        Sorry to interfere, but you forget that the numbers you indicated are of different content. If in Moldova 3 out of 100 people, according to your own data, are people with a short barrel, then in the Russian Federation the bulk of the barrels is a hunting weapon, and it is mainly northerners who have it, where there is nothing without a barrel, there are villages, and on the outskirts of cities, bears walk. So if the Moldovans, in their own country, theoretically can do without weapons, then in the Russian Federation, in a number of regions, it will become impossible to live without weapons at all.
                      17. +1
                        2 October 2021 11: 43
                        Quote: Bat039
                        If in Moldova 3 out of 100 people, according to your data, are people with a short barrel, then in the Russian Federation the bulk of the barrels is a hunting weapon

                        Not short-barreled, but the total number of weapons. As for the fact that in the Russian Federation it is mainly hunting, and in Moldova, on the contrary:
                        CHISINAU, 27 Mar - Sputnik. Of the total number of more than 77 thousand weapons, 24 391 are rifled, 47 699 - smoothbore and 5307 is non-lethal.

                        https://ru.sputnik.md/20210327/Skolko-oruzhiya-u-zhiteley-Moldovy-za-god-kolichestvo-uvelichilos-34147800.html
                        That is, hunting weapons in Moldova> 60%.
                      18. +1
                        2 October 2021 11: 51
                        And where in Moldova does it hunt, and most importantly, who? We understand that all weapons in Moldova, by and large, are weapons for self-defense, and for the Russian Federation in most of the territory of the Russian Federation, weapons are a necessity. Even in the central zone of the Russian Federation, such as the Voronezh region, wolves and foxes play pranks in the villages, killing livestock and poultry from both private owners and farmers, I do not speak about regions such as the Kirov region at all, there I went into the forest without a gun, say for raspberries and did not return, you were simply eaten by wild animals.
                      19. +2
                        2 October 2021 11: 59
                        Quote: Bat039
                        And where in Moldova does it hunt, and most importantly, who?

                        In terms of quantity, it is allowed to shoot 303 wild boars, 11,9 thousand hares, 23 thousand pheasants, 13,5 thousand ducks, 13 thousand pigeons, 9,9 thousand quails.

                        http://www.vedomosti.md/news/v-moldove-startuet-ohotnichij-sezon
                      20. +1
                        2 October 2021 12: 02
                        Okay, they were convinced, but all the same, this living creature, like in Romania, which claims to the whole of Moldova, in a relatively small, mountainous area. In Russia, everything is much more complicated and the figures you cite are approximately data for one region in the Russian Federation, and they have it ALL the country
                      21. 0
                        2 October 2021 12: 18
                        In the context of our discussion, this is not important. The bottom line is that Moldovans do not have a lot of short-barrels for firefights provoked by "hot blood".
                      22. +1
                        2 October 2021 12: 22
                        Maybe not a lot, but it is there for everyone who has the right to it. Do you think in the Russian Federation all the short-barrels will run to buy if they are allowed to ?! Yes, not everyone needs it, besides, as a colleague correctly wrote above, in the Russian Federation they wanted to equate it with a rifled hunting weapon, which means that only hunters with at least 5 years of experience could buy it, which is already a good guarantee of human adequacy
                      23. +1
                        2 October 2021 12: 36
                        Quote: Bat039
                        Do you think in the Russian Federation all the short-barrels will run to buy if they are allowed to ?!

                        Those from the south will all run. Seeing such excitement from the Tozher-Russians, the rest will also run.
                        "Everyone ran and I ran" (c)
                        Quote: Bat039
                        in the Russian Federation they wanted to equate it with a rifled hunting weapon

                        "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always ..." (c)
                      24. +1
                        2 October 2021 12: 50
                        They can run, they cannot run, because 5 years of possession of a smoothbore is needed to buy a rifled barrel, but not everyone has one. tomorrow in the Russian Federation they will allow the short-barreled, not the fact that I will go to buy it, I will think about whether I need it or not ...
                      25. 0
                        2 October 2021 12: 58
                        They will agree with their cops. Just as they agree on 100 points for the exam.
                      26. +1
                        2 October 2021 13: 02
                        Well, we again run into a flagrant violation of the laws of the Russian Federation and abuse of power by a number of police officers, and this is a criminal offense ... They still have cuts in their hands, and they are not registered in the database of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which makes it easier to commit crimes with their help and avoiding responsibility for them ... I'm talking about the possibility of officially protecting our life and health from bandits of all stripes, and the bandits are already armed, and not a lousy PM, but AK, or APS, or Glock -17.
                      27. 0
                        2 October 2021 13: 18
                        Quote: Bat039
                        I'm talking about the opportunity for you and me to have the opportunity to officially protect our lives and health from bandits of all stripes.

                        For this we have the police. And if the police do not cope with their duties, then what will happen when a common man in the street gets the right to bear arms? An integrated approach to this problem is required. Take and distribute to everyone on a short scale, so that everyone is his own sheriff, and decides: whom to execute, and whom to have mercy ... well, so-so situevina ... We'll have to cut the police. And then who will control the rallies? Therefore, you can be indignant and want something there, but the authorities will not agree to this.
                      28. +1
                        2 October 2021 13: 24
                        I have no hopes for the police, especially since you yourself write that they are mired in corruption and have grown together with bandits, at least in a number of regions of the Russian Federation. In addition, even if you imagine the work of the police as ideal, it is not realistic to put a police officer on every corner and in every doorway, you and I simply will not feed them. Well, if our police exist only to disperse rallies and guard Rublev's dachas, then all the more we should think about reducing it, at least two times, and increasing it at the expense of the Russian army, from which, if something happens, there will be more benefits. Nobody calls for ALL short-barrels to distribute, and those who have 5 years of experience in owning a smooth-bore and know how to shoot more accurately and their head cooks better than many snotty sergeants from the PPS
                      29. +1
                        2 October 2021 13: 59
                        Quote: Bat039
                        and those who have 5 years of experience in owning a smoothbore and know how to shoot more accurately and their head cooks better than many snotty sergeants from the PPS

                        That means 5 years ... 5 years after the adoption of the law and before it starts ... 5 years the gun will lie in the gun safe, with periodic obligatory firing squads, if any, and then short-barreled and voila - a new sheriff in the city. But if the police do not work well, how can they properly check the conditions for keeping weapons and the adequacy of the owner? This suggests the conclusion that fundamental changes are needed in the very structure and personnel of the police. That's why I wrote - an integrated approach. Many government agencies will have to turn over. This is not to rename the police to the police, you know.
                      30. +1
                        2 October 2021 14: 05
                        If a person is a psycho who was overslept by the police and the medical board, then just like that, the gun in his safe will not stand for 5 years, he will show himself with a gun, in all its glory .... And it is enough to check the storage conditions once, when buying a weapon and installation of a weapon safe, or after moving the safe to another place, due to relocation, or for other reasons. Further, the safe is in place, it will not run away anywhere. You are still a great idealist ... but even call the police hussars, it still won't work perfectly ...
                      31. +1
                        2 October 2021 14: 29
                        Quote: Bat039
                        If a person is a psycho who was overslept by the police and the medical board, then just like that, the gun in his safe will not stand for 5 years, he will show himself with a gun, in all its glory ...

                        Crazy psycho strife. There are violent, and there are misanthropic tikhushniki.
                        Quote: Bat039
                        You are still a great idealist ...

                        I’m a realist. Therefore, once again I am writing: the authorities do not need citizens with guns, the authorities do not live in criminal areas, the authorities are in the hands of stratification and easy controlled chaos in society. While the man in the street is frightened by criminals, he is not particularly interested in politics - he could save his life. And then if you allow to carry weapons for self-defense, what next? The "population" will get a taste, feel like a "people - a source of power" as it is written in the constitution, will refuse the services of the police in some cases. Observance of all their civil rights will want or some other "sedition". No, the authorities do not need this. Therefore, this will not happen.
                      32. +1
                        2 October 2021 14: 34
                        If the crime grows, and there is no permission for short-barreled, the number of illegal trunks will increase, it will not become easier for anyone ... As for the quiet madmen, they will alienate something in 5 years, and if they do not alienate it in 5 years, that is, there is a high probability that they will not start kinking until death in extreme old age ... Maybe he will play a prisoner of war with his wife without killing or maiming her, and in fact, believe me, he will find a lady with common interests, but this is their personal, you and I are neither cold nor hot from this ...
                      33. 0
                        2 October 2021 14: 52
                        Quote: Bat039
                        and if they do not alienate it in 5 years, then there is a high probability that they will not start to freak until they die in extreme old age ...

                        As the saying goes: for a mad dog, seven miles is not a hook, and for a quiet psycho 5 years of waiting is not a period. The psychos who arranged murders at the age of 20-30-40 somehow lived up to this age without arousing suspicion?
                        Quote: Bat039
                        If the crime grows, and there is no permission for short-barreled, the number of illegal barrels will increase, it will not become easier for anyone ...

                        It will not be easier for ordinary people, and for the elite, if only they can stand for a day and hold out for the night. And there, you see, either the donkey dies, or the padishah.
                      34. +1
                        2 October 2021 14: 59
                        So the elite will not get any easier from the growth of illegal weapons in their hands. Psycho-thoughtful about whom you write from legal weapons will not kill, it is in the case of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, these will buy an illegal barrel ...
                      35. 0
                        3 October 2021 16: 09
                        In Estonia, a temporary residence permit is enough to obtain a weapon permit. I am a Russian citizen received a permit in 2010. At the moment I have 6 (six) weapons, 3 long and 3 short barrels. However, I am an athlete and the police have fewer questions for me.
              2. +2
                30 September 2021 11: 15
                Quote: Shadow041
                This stamp needs to be returned, and not to kill normal people in kilometer-long queues in a psycho and drug dispensaries because of a certificate that is needed to renew a driver's license,

                Psychos in cars are much more dangerous to society.
      2. -1
        28 September 2021 13: 40
        Quote: Crowe
        It is necessary to work with young people, as in a union (free and accessible sports sections, hobby groups, etc., etc.)

        I agree, but the problem is that young people practically cannot be torn from computers and smartphones.
        I have an example before my eyes. Two sisters. They lie on the same couch all day, each with their own smartphone and they do not take their eyes off them. Fingers flutter like butterflies. They may not say a couple of words to each other for the whole day
        1. 0
          30 September 2021 23: 02
          Quote: Seryoga64
          I agree, but the problem is that young people practically cannot be torn from computers and smartphones.
          I have an example before my eyes. Two sisters. They lie on the same couch all day, each with their own smartphone and they do not take their eyes off them. Fingers flutter like butterflies. They may not say a couple of words to each other for the whole day

          Computers and smartphones are before the eyes of millions, and only a few go to kill. It's not about them, but about the general indifference. The Perm murderer has openly said more than once that he is ready to kill, but no one considered it necessary to inform the competent authorities about this. Only the joke turned out to be no joke at all, and the psycho got his permission for a shotgun.
      3. +1
        28 September 2021 16: 27
        and who will work for free in free and all available sections
      4. -2
        28 September 2021 19: 33
        Work, do not work, you will not achieve a spherical vacuum, therefore, in some cases, you need to tighten the nuts.
    5. sen
      +1
      28 September 2021 14: 48
      It's not about weapons, it's about brains.

      In Soviet times, there were no such cases.
      1. +1
        29 September 2021 06: 25
        in Soviet times, there were executions in military units, followed by an escape with weapons. a couple of cases were with hostage-taking escaped. there is no need to deny these facts.
  2. -2
    28 September 2021 11: 17
    As for the unit to be disconnected, at least in cities, it is quite possible to do this. And in the villages there is really no one to shoot, but there it will fly in return
    1. 0
      28 September 2021 17: 56
      Quote: Cowbra
      As for the unit to be disconnected, at least in cities, it is quite possible to do this. And in the villages there is really no one to shoot, but there it will fly in return

      at the same time, turn off the knives, sharpening, bits, auto ... yeah ...
    2. -1
      30 September 2021 20: 08
      The block that can be turned off by radio is blocked once ... wrapped in foil (Faraday cage), and this is the first thing that came to mind.
  3. +2
    28 September 2021 11: 19
    Can electrical weapons prevent school shootings?
    A global, multifaceted problem and a solution can only be COMPREHENSIVE ...
    1. -3
      28 September 2021 11: 26
      Quote: rocket757
      A global, multifaceted problem and a solution can only be COMPREHENSIVE ...

      And you need to start immediately
      1. +1
        28 September 2021 11: 49
        Quote: Seryoga64
        Quote: rocket757
        A global, multifaceted problem and a solution can only be COMPREHENSIVE ...

        And you need to start immediately

        For example, why? We will withdraw 4,5 million smoothbore from the population for the alteration and installation of such a unit? Nunu ...
        1. 0
          28 September 2021 12: 36
          Quote: your1970
          For example, why?

          For example, from upbringing. Not computer, parental and government
          Shall we withdraw 4,5 million smoothbore from the population for the alteration and installation of such a unit?

          This is not an option. This is a dead end.
          Izimish one trunk, he will find two for himself
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 12: 52
            Quote: Seryoga64
            Not computer, parental and government

            and first of all the state
            because there is also an educational factor in the environment in which the child communicates
            and there is no one to influence but the state
            1. -1
              28 September 2021 12: 58
              Quote: Flood
              and first of all the state

              In the complex.
              Parents are at home. All other time, state
              To do this, you need to open, for example, like "Palaces of Pioneers"
              Well, this is certainly not just a child from a computer to tear from which a continuous negative is pouring
              This is where parents should work.
        2. -2
          28 September 2021 12: 44
          We will withdraw 4,5 million smoothbore from the population for the alteration and installation of such a block? Nunu.

          Why not ? What's so unreal about that? Give a deadline - the normal ones will change the trunks themselves. After this period, the dissenter becomes a criminal - that's all. Not necessarily cool disconnect electronics - a mobile non-retrievable transponder is sufficient. Can't they do bracelets for criminals?
          And the "walks" of such trunks can already be tracked by entrusting this to the program. It's okay for law-abiding people - any mobile phone in your pocket is still tracked.
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 17: 20
            What is the point in a weapon if it cannot be used for self-defense? And at the expense of psychos, I remember a police major staged the execution of random people in a hypermarket ... Offer the police to disarm !?
          2. 0
            1 October 2021 08: 58
            Quote: dauria
            And the "walks" of such trunks can already be tracked by entrusting this to the program.

            And what will it change? Will the program fix that he is walking around the city? Then what? Send the outfit? And I carry a gun to the gun store for repairs, to the LRO, to the train - I go hunting, I move to another place of residence, the lock in the safe has broken - I go for a new one (I’m afraid to leave the gun without a safe), and so on ... thousands of legal reasons and the legal carrying of weapons ...

            And yes, who will pay the cost of the block? The citizen?
            How will this unit work where there is no network? We have three villages without a cellular connection - they say there are not enough people for towers ...
        3. 0
          30 September 2021 23: 06
          Quote: your1970
          For example, why? We will withdraw 4,5 million smoothbore from the population for the alteration and installation of such a unit? Nunu ...

          From general snitching, for example. The problem of preventing shootings is that the killers very often spoke out about their misanthropic intentions, but no one wanted to listen to them. The Perm killer had already spoken about his readiness to kill, but no one wanted to hear him.
      2. -1
        28 September 2021 13: 59
        It was necessary to start TODAY. Having started now, you will have to wait for a positive effect ... in short, not right tomorrow.
        1. -2
          28 September 2021 14: 05
          Quote: rocket757
          It was necessary to start TODAY. Having started now, we will have to wait for a positive effect ...

          Well, let's say this "smartphone" generation is already lost.
          But for the one that has not gone to school yet, you have to fight
          1. +4
            28 September 2021 14: 08
            This generation is very different ... pretty much amenable to correction if you take it seriously.
            1. -2
              28 September 2021 14: 10
              Quote: rocket757
              largely amenable to correction

              Well, if only elementary school students
              1. +1
                28 September 2021 14: 32
                In the central cities, everything is neglected, in this respect, but in the periphery, not everything is so sour ... the people, young people, are not spoiled and are taught to work by their parents and life itself.
                1. -1
                  28 September 2021 14: 36
                  Quote: rocket757
                  In the city centers everything is neglected, in this respect,

                  So after all, young people from the periphery reach out to cities and take the worst from there.
                  1. +2
                    28 September 2021 14: 43
                    There is such a trend, but it has not yet acquired the scale of a catastrophe ... although this can happen if nothing changes in the future.
                    1. -1
                      28 September 2021 14: 51
                      Quote: rocket757
                      There is such a trend, but it has not yet acquired the scale of a catastrophe ... although this can happen if nothing changes in the future.

                      This is how we talk about it. If you don't start, another generation will be lost
  4. -2
    28 September 2021 11: 28
    Or a complete ban on civilian firearms, or everything will remain as it is.
    All civilians who cannot do without weapons should be transferred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs by creating appropriate units, for example, forest protection within the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    And even this does not guarantee that any of the police will not go crazy. Do you remember Evsyukov?
    1. +4
      28 September 2021 11: 46
      Quote: prior
      Or a complete ban on civilian firearms

      Prohibitions, as practice shows ... do not solve anything. They will start planting bombs or making samopals ..
      1. -5
        28 September 2021 11: 53
        I partially agree that a suicide will always find a way to commit suicide.
        But, perhaps, in addition to people, how many more animals and birds can be saved by banning firearms.
        Hunters, what, have nothing to eat?
        1. +4
          28 September 2021 16: 35
          Quote: prior
          Hunters, what, have nothing to eat?

          Hunting is not about eating. Hunting is HUNTING! And imagine how many animals and birds can be saved by excluding cutlets and chicken legs from the diet. Also, from humanism, livestock complexes, poultry and meat processing plants, pure concentration camps and death factories should be prohibited. The life of cows, pigs and chickens matters. Let's kneel down, stop the genocide!
          1. -5
            28 September 2021 16: 42
            Your hunt regurgitated with mass shootings in Kerch, Kazan, Perm ...
            1. +5
              28 September 2021 16: 57
              Quote: prior
              Your hunt has burped

              Those who organized the mass executions never went hunting, and did not even intend to.
      2. +8
        28 September 2021 12: 29
        Prohibitions, as practice shows ... do not solve anything. They will start planting bombs or making samopals ..
        Quite right. It is not a weapon that kills, but a person. You can go to the point of absurdity by prohibiting everything. Crime will not stop it, and the life of ordinary people who do not violate the laws will complicate it ..
  5. +4
    28 September 2021 11: 33
    What are we going to build into an ax, knife and other edged weapons? Can you do upbringing, as in Soviet times? Without papers and reports, for real.
    1. +1
      28 September 2021 11: 58
      And in late Soviet times, education (in schools) was already formal for a long time. And it did not save society from the boorish (in fact) attitude of high school students to teachers and their profession.
    2. 0
      28 September 2021 13: 42
      And what did the Soviet upbringing give? For real. In the 80-90s, people of exclusively Soviet education lived, in the overwhelming mass of pioneers, Komsomol members. They gave a lot of vivid examples of humanism and consciousness)
  6. +1
    28 September 2021 11: 35
    escape from justice into death, as the same thugs-columbiners did.

    You shouldn't have mentioned the Columbiners. There is a completely different story. The incident of that time is the last step of despair. There could be no other outcome, when these unfortunate people were bullied by the whole school for many years. That is, in fact, the columbiners are not to blame, the scum who humiliated them are to blame. True, it is very difficult to cope with school bullying, it is much easier to slap weapons restrictions and on duty to blame games and cinematography for everything. Well, and the victims themselves brought to the last fatal step.
    1. +3
      28 September 2021 12: 12
      To this you, some figures, will indignantly object (I read it in the comments of this kind) that there is no such reason for replying as honor and dignity, that this is an empty phrase, and that only psychopaths are capable of responding with violence to insults, beatings and the like.
      1. +3
        28 September 2021 17: 06
        Quote: Revival
        there is no such reason for replying as honor and dignity,

        unfortunately, legally, yes. If you want to defend your honor and dignity out of court, get ready for a criminal trial.
      2. 0
        1 October 2021 09: 28
        Quote: Revival
        To this, some leaders will indignantly object (I read it in the comments of this kind) that there is no such reason for replying as honor and dignity, that this is an empty phrase, and how to respond with violence to insults, beatings and the like are only capable of psychopaths, etc.
        - then you knowingly will receive criminal punishment in Estonia, Switzerland, Moldova and the USA. Having pulled out a pistol in response not to a threat to life, but to an insult, you automatically become Striker side ...
        Otherwise, it would be possible to walk the streets with a barrel in hand and say - "he killed this, he insulted me, this - he spat on my boot, this - he looked askance at me and stared at my wife's chest ...."
        Funny? Not a drop !!!
        Kill ANY in such situations with impunity, it is a matter of five minutes and one cartridge ... you go in a group and shoot - and then "Yes, he insulted me and my mother pazoooril ..... Here are 10 witnesses, that it was the protection of honor and dignity. that he is a one-armed invalid in a wheelchair for 88 years - it doesn't matter, he also insulted all my relatives ... "
  7. +2
    28 September 2021 11: 43
    Nothing good either, the interests of many people will be infringed upon. And in some cases, this can lead to the death of our fellow citizens - for example, those who live next to wild nature, or those to whom the bandits broke into the apartment drunk.

    And sit down for it, and if the bandit turns out to be alive, then pay for his recovery. Very much so to myself.
    We have to decide in self-defense: either you defend yourself and sit down, or you. In self-defense, we have a person to give on slippers, even if he is in the corner, where the walls are all around.


    If specifically on the topic, then there is no solution, there will always be such psychos, no matter what you do. If there is no firearm, then they will go with a knife or an ax. Who seeks will always find.
    It will not work either, it will be too expensive to put an armed guard in every school and university.
    And those people who are now offering something, they just want to collect likeosiks, that's all.
    1. +1
      28 September 2021 12: 14
      Absolutely.
      The biggest problem in Russia, such a shameful phenomenon as "excess of the Necessary Defense."
  8. +3
    28 September 2021 11: 45
    In order not to repeat such tragedies, a set of measures is needed .. The work of educators and teachers, the district police officer must work hard ... everyone knew before their district police officer .. now no one knows .. if he exists at all .. before, dysfunctional families were always under control .. now no one cares about everything .. well, as usual, I can not help but point to the ideology .. socialism, solves a lot of social problems .. very many .. and capitalism creates them .. Why in the USSR did no one even think of such a thought? You need to think about this.
    1. nnm
      +7
      28 September 2021 12: 02
      Well, finally, a sane comment! Parents are glad that the boy sits at the computer for days and is not enough for them, the precinct police officers are busy cashing out the serviced territory, teachers are prohibited from any interference and participation in the student's life, and there is no time for that for a penny salary. Psychologists at school - one name and a laughingstock, working for the same penny. Supervisors exist only on paper. Any section, circle - costs a lot of money. The huge resources of the police are busy searching for the opposition pages, and not looking for suicides and groups such as "blue whales", neo-Nazis, and so on. The state has no trace of any adequate policy of working with youth. Plus the collapse of secondary and higher education. Plus humiliation in the form of endless "zeroing", stuffing, when young people begin to feel the hopelessness and uselessness of peaceful protest, plus majors spitting out of the windows of Marsedes, plus TV with interviews with maniacs. Yes, a lot of things ...
      Therefore, we can say one thing - we will not take care of our children ourselves, we and the authorities will not hear them, there will be no systemic politics, there will be no cardinal changes - no prohibitions will help and there will be such tragedies again and again.
      1. +8
        28 September 2021 12: 35
        Exactly! And prohibitions are not a panacea. And contrary to common sense, do we not feel the constant temptation to break the Law just because it is forbidden?
        Edgar Allan Poe
    2. +5
      28 September 2021 14: 41
      Quote: Svarog
      Why in the USSR did not such a thought even occur to anyone?

      children may not have come, but citizens of the USSR (former children) have come many times
      April 4, 1950 - a terrorist attack in the village of Giska (outskirts of Bendery, Moldavian SSR): a military instructor brought a package of 12 kg of tar to the school and blew it up during classes in one of the classes. The explosion was caused by an unrequited love for one of his colleagues. The building was destroyed, 23 people were killed (including the military commander), many were injured. The entire school graduated that year only had 5 students. The tragedy turned out to be classified, it was forbidden to mention it.


      September 26-27, 1968 — two soldiers from a part of the internal troops in the city of Kursk deserted with weapons, seized an apartment in a residential building overlooking the city's Privokzalnaya Square. After killing those who were in it, they began to shoot people in the square. The apartment was blocked by the police, after many hours of negotiations, one of the terrorists killed his partner and surrendered. He was convicted and shot. As a result of the terrorist attack, 13 people were killed and 11 injured.
      June 14, 1971 - explosion in a regular bus in Krasnodar. Done by a mentally ill construction worker - a graduate of the medical institute, he was offended that he was not allowed to work in his specialty. Previously, he twice tried to carry out terrorist attacks using homemade bombs, but each time he was stopped. There were about 100 people on the bus during the morning flight, as a result of the explosion, 10 died, many passengers were injured, in addition, the blast wave knocked down nearby trees and knocked out doors and windows in the surrounding houses. The bomber was found a couple of days later, but was declared insane by the court and sentenced to imprisonment in a mental hospital.

      1975 3 explosions in the cities of the Georgian SSR: Sukhumi (near the regional committee of the CPSU, 1 person died), Tbilisi (on Rustaveli Avenue in front of the government building) and Kutaisi (in the city square). Their organizer, a certain V. Zhvania, was subsequently found and executed by a court verdict in January 1977. In the same year, an explosion was organized in Baku (Azerbaijan USSR).

      On September 26, 1976, a group of students from Guyana seized the consul of their country in house No. 148 on Leninsky Prospekt (Moscow) and, threatening him with an ax, demanded that he increase his scholarships. The situation was resolved without an assault.

      January 7, 1977 - a series of explosions in Moscow: in the subway car between the Izmailovskaya and Pervomayskaya stations, in the sales area of ​​the grocery store No. 15 of the Bauman district food store and a few hundred meters from the building of the KGB of the USSR, near the grocery store No. 5 on 25- anniversary of October. As a result, 7 people died (according to other sources 29) and more than 40 people were injured.

      June 8, 1979 - explosion near the Mir cinema in the city of Klin (Moscow region). 2 people were injured. The Demoman is a children's surgeon, dissatisfied with the policy of the authorities and decided to take the path of individual terror.
      1981
      According to the information of the KGB of the USSR in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on November 29, a resident of the city of Yaroslavl E. Negrii was preparing an explosion of homemade bombs in various places in Yaroslavl "in order to induce the population to actively express dissatisfaction with the lack of food supplies." In 1980 he was already prevented for "anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda."
      December 18 - the first seizure of a school in the history of the USSR: in the city of Sarapul, Udmurt ASSR.
      2 servicemen of a motorized rifle division voluntarily left a unit with weapons and seized a school in a nearby town. They barricaded themselves in class with students and tried to force local authorities to comply with their requirements: to issue money and visas, as well as provide an airplane to fly overseas (to the United States).
      1988 - Ovechkins (11 people: members of the "Seven Simeons" group, mother and young children)

      as the then chairman of the KGB of the USSR V.A. Kryuchkov admitted for the first time in an interview published on October 26, 1989 by the Izvestia newspaper, in the 70s - 80s, the state security bodies identified and prevented more than 1 people carrying terrorist intentions

      ============================
      no electronic attachment on the weapon will save:
      - either "hacked"
      -or shielded from jamming signal
      Consequently, the devastation not in closets, but in their heads.
      1. +2
        28 September 2021 15: 53
        On September 26, 1976, a group of students from Guyana seized the consul of their country in house No. 148 on Leninsky Prospekt (Moscow) and, threatening him with an ax, demanded that he increase his scholarships.
        And what is the angle to the topic of weapons in the Russian Federation? laughing ?
        1. +3
          28 September 2021 16: 02
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          And what is the angle to the topic of weapons in the Russian Federation?

          1.
          in the house number 148 on Leninsky Prospekt (Moscow)
          in 1976
          On May 2.26, 1966, Guyana was proclaimed an independent state; on February 23, 1970, it became the Cooperative Republic of Guyana. This name was associated with the announced NNKG course to build "Cooperative socialism", Which was enshrined in the country's 1980 constitution.
          1 + 2 =
          in the USSR and socialist. everything is like ours, only black citizens
          well, if black students hurt their eyes like that, let's not pay attention to them
          1. +2
            28 September 2021 16: 05
            everything is like ours, only black citizens
            Well, how will their negro showdown affect the population of the long-eared owl in the central Volga region?
            1. +2
              28 September 2021 16: 43
              I think it is targeting the population, but with little volatility.
              maybe my message is difficult to perceive, therefore, I will explain:
              Quote: Svarog
              and capitalism creates them .. Why in the USSR did no one even think of such a thought? You need to think about this.

              1. Under the USSR it was and came. The build is not important here.
              2. Even the poor oppressed blacks, placed in "paradise" (yes for them, after the Pampas, it is paradise), in the capital of this paradise, got hold of the same syndrome.
              I’m just about that.
              and the yellow-skinned, narrow-eyed, well-to-do Japanese had Aum S.
              ====================================================================== =========
              human essence cannot be altered and electronic locks will not help
              1. +1
                28 September 2021 16: 58
                poor oppressed blacks got the same syndrome.
                As practice shows, they have this syndrome, regardless of whether they are in the social housing of Norway, the ghetto of New York or the jungle of Zaire. But in general, everything is true.
            2. 0
              29 September 2021 17: 00
              Well, how will their negro showdown affect the population of the long-eared owl in the central Volga region?

              They will have an extremely negative impact on the angular parallax of Mercury's orbit.
    3. +2
      30 September 2021 11: 35
      Quote: Svarog
      Why in the USSR did not anyone even think of such a thought? You need to think about this.

      In the USSR, the ideal of man was different. Man is a friend to man.
      Now he deceived 1000 people for 1000 rubles - you have a million. And you deceived 1 million people - you have a billion. And who does not have a billion can go to hell. He stole a little - went to jail, stole a lot - got into the Duma. And what kind of education can there be on the part of the state? From the side of the family? If life clearly shows that everything is different.
    4. 0
      1 October 2021 09: 35
      Quote: Svarog
      Well, as usual, I can't help but point out the ideology ..

      Well, how did the ideology interfere with the Komsomol and Communists - to carry a competitor into the forest at night in the trunk? Even in 1986?
  9. +3
    28 September 2021 11: 53
    If an emaciated weapon does not cause any special problems when it is converted back into a combat one, then a certain secret box, without which the barrel is dead and it is impossible to disassemble it in any way - this is completely out of the realm of fantasy. But I'm ready to listen to specific technical solutions)
    By the way, where will the few million trunks that are in the hands of the population now go?
  10. +3
    28 September 2021 12: 08
    Suppose that Russia stops production and retail sales of classic firearms domestically, but masters such an electric weapon.

    Andrey, good afternoon. hi I do not know how many firearms are now in the hands of the population, most likely hundreds of thousands. And how then, with a hypothetical transition to electric weapons, you imagine the replacement of barrels by private users, weapons of a very different purpose, different systems, different types. This means that you need to make an adequate replacement of the barrels, and this all costs money, and a lot of money. And then there's the gunsmiths' lobby. In my opinion, this is simply not realistic.
    1. -2
      28 September 2021 13: 51
      Quote: Sea Cat
      And how then, with a hypothetical transition to electric weapons, you imagine the replacement of barrels by private users, weapons of a very different purpose, different systems, different types.

      We announce that after some years we will stop selling cartridges and gradually replace the mechanics with an electric gun for everyone. Expensive, yes, but not so that at all - with the price of a gun, say, 7 thousand, it turns out to replace a million barrels - 75 billion. If you stretch it over many years, then, in principle, it is real.
      This issue cannot be resolved quickly, or even in 10 years, but the road will be mastered by the one walking, and in a few decades you can go exclusively to the "electric wall"
      1. 0
        28 September 2021 14: 32
        This issue cannot be resolved quickly, or even in 10 years, but the road will be mastered by the one walking, and in a few decades you can go exclusively to the "electric wall"

        You can, of course, try, but I'm afraid that over these decades some new "nasty" will be invented and all efforts will be in vain.
        If, in general, during this time some virus does not kill all of humanity with a choh, but then this problem will disappear by itself. request
    2. 0
      28 September 2021 17: 12
      I will correct a few million
  11. +2
    28 September 2021 12: 08
    The author is thinking a little in the wrong direction.
    Electronic blocking of the trigger of civilian weapons in public places equipped with an appropriate transmitter. it would be ideal ... but ... as indicated above, no one will carry a weapon for revision, unless under the threat of withdrawal. Any blockage can be bypassed. Chip trunks and track their movement, especially near public areas. Expensive and expensive to maintain a tracking system ...
    So it remains, only upbringing. In Perm history, I was surprised that the shooter's mother spoke completely indifferently about her son's behavior before and before the execution ...
    And yes ... he must be tried according to the crime scene ... at that very university.
  12. +3
    28 September 2021 12: 13
    You still need to raise your age. At least up to twenty years. Brains after the army work differently. Please note: all "Arrows" are up to twenty years old. Of course, there may be precedents after the army, but if there are, then an order of magnitude less. And what about sporting weapons? We must not forget that we have Olympic disciplines in our country - ladder, circle. And children start shooting from a very young age
    1. 0
      28 September 2021 12: 48
      Quote: Angry Bender
      Still, you need to raise your age. At least up to twenty years. Brains after the army work differently.

      Then, as it was probably repeatedly suggested: a license for a weapon should be issued only to those who have served.
      Served, little or little familiar with weapons? Receive and sign.
      Didn't serve, doesn't let it be healthy? Well, go and get well.
  13. +2
    28 September 2021 12: 14
    Heard the shots? I pressed the button.
    Why bother with a button? Why not cover in advance with a "disconnecting" field "crowded places" (ie all cities and villages)?
  14. bar
    +2
    28 September 2021 12: 37
    Sell ​​after 30 years and only to persons who have passed a psychophysiological examination?
    Will not help. The Perm murderer lived with his parents (at least with his mother), did he get a weapon without her knowing?

    And what does the mother have to do with it? He himself wrote:
    Parents have a blind spot on their children, their child is always the best in the world

    But raising the age to at least 25, when the former shkolota finally matures, begins to live more or less independently and work somewhere, it will not be superfluous.
    As for the expertise, it is not clear here. It seems to be necessary, and even commissions in psychiatric hospitals meet (when I first received permission, I passed such a commission with several doctors), but their effectiveness is questionable. It is difficult to draw a conclusion even for a whole commission in one visit. Perhaps special tests need to be developed, or something else. In short, we need to work in this direction, it's not just that
  15. +2
    28 September 2021 12: 39
    Blah blah blah...
    The article boils down to handing out weapons.
    All manipulation of weapons is a passive method of solving the problem.
    And what was the motive of the next shooter, because he had a goal that he had been thinking for more than one day or month, i.e. the act was deliberate!
    If you want to identify a potential criminal, then there is such a science of NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming), which allows you to calculate a potential criminal using harmless tests, but this is an ongoing work and now it is aimed only at managing the masses, our rulers do not care about individuals.
    What drives these arrows, maybe the thirst became famous, what would they talk about?
    And here the question of upbringing arises, from whom we are encouraged to take an example today - the rich and successful, superheroes and those who "crumbled" a lot of people, etc.
    The rich and successful - by, here they do not like strangers, superheroes are fairy tales and now there is not a rich choice.
    Under the Soviet Union, this was not, although a bunch of weapons remained in the country after the Second World War.
    And who was glorified in the USSR, who was a hero - workers, scientists, cosmonauts, there were also military men, but they defended ordinary citizens.
    Therefore, under the USSR there were various free circles, palaces of pioneers, DOSAAF, everywhere at the enterprises there were announcements - it was required, they drove parasites and drunks, so that bad thoughts would not get into a bad head ... that is. people had the opportunity to realize themselves, and the most stubborn worked under supervision or stayed in medical institutions with bars on the windows.
    There was a System and they did not make a celebrity out of a terrorist, they kept secret nafig, tk. The terrorist needs hype first of all.
  16. +2
    28 September 2021 12: 40
    prior (Vlad), dear, you remembered Yevsyukov correctly. A few days ago, the head of the Investigative Committee for the Perm Territory finished his earthly journey. Evil tongues claim that last year he already attempted suicide and that his relatives are closest to him with a mental illness, and he seems to be, after all, almost a real colonel, must undergo a medical examination every year ... Who promoted a suicide up the career ladder. .. We talk a lot about the "burnout" of police officers, military men, employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service, teachers and doctors, but the party, with the emblem in the form of a blue bear after hair removal, does not take real measures, so that they all have a normal psychologist after 5 years of service (work) were examined and, at least once every 3 years, in a normal sanatorium they rested for at least 21 days ... Plus, since the beginning of the 90s, when the psychos were released from hospitals on a legal basis, (in the USSR there was psychiatry, the main purpose of which was to drive them into the hospital is the color of the nation-dissidents), "fools" with knives and axes walk next to us. Example, please. In Severodvinsk, on September 10, 2021, a 17-year-old boy "Durik", hearing voices in his head, at 10 o'clock in the evening at the bridge over the river Zaborikha stabbed more than 15 times with a knife. They found it right away, though there was no dog in Severodvinsk so that the hot trail would work, optimization, you know, there were no dog handlers, and the PPP was multiplied by almost 0 - optimization, but you can't find a district police officer - optimization. The deputies began to shout - there are not enough cameras. And the police chief answered them - from the cameras that were delivered according to the budget project "Safe City", the villain's faces still cannot be seen, basically, the cameras were placed at problem intersections for the traffic police ... she took it for herself, but to regulate the broad cash flows for weapons and ammunition. What, the guardsmen of each hunter have a safe with a weapon on a quarterly basis and interrogate all the neighbors of the hunter and those who live on the floor above, and those who live on the floor below, does he not thump, does he beat his wife? ... On the one hand - Andrey right. But ! Pepper bottle can be easily bought by any adult. The most-the most weapon in the Russian Federation, it has been known for a long time, is a kitchen knife. In the Arkhangelsk region, the ax is in honorable second place, and men and women are also strangled, drunkenly, with pleasure ...
  17. +3
    28 September 2021 12: 41
    Hmmm ...! Composition of a young pioneer! First, sheer "assumptions"! The author "put everything on the shelves" and claims that this is exactly how it will be, as he "sees"! And he does not see the "figurine" ... And now he offers projects from the "parallel universe"! Moreover, rejecting the "clever blotch" on the barrel of the weapon as unrealistic, he assumes a gun with an electronic unit of the same degree of reality! There are problems with the production of "smart" weapons for the army; and the author has already decided to "stamp" hunting (civil) "electric weapons" in full "can"! 1. To establish the production of such weapons, it is necessary to solve many production problems: technological, economic, legislative, marketing ... and others! And, in the end, go broke! For such a weapon would be expensive ... very expensive! And the author supposes that the people in a crowd will rush to the "guns" for precious super-duper-weapons, getting rid of mountains of "mechanical" weapons at the points of acceptance of scrap metal on the way! Where does the author get such childish naivety? Well, the "people" will not run! And the point is not only in the price, but also in the fact that the people: a) are not used to it; b) does not understand: is "enta elektronika" tilted here?; c) does not believe in the reliability of a complex electronic unit in the presence of centuries of proven simple "mechanical" weapons! 2. Now with might and main on the "black market" are offered radio scanners for car theft! Which "remove" radio codes from the remotes of car owners and allow them to be replaced! Experts in the field of electronic (computer) security urge the developers of auto.electronics not to "get carried away" by the "steepness" of developments; fearing that there will be "scanners" that turn off any car electronics, even on the move, even in the parking lot! The author proposes to "equip" the watchmen with remote controls that turn off the electronic blocks in the weapon! And there will be "electronic warfare consoles" that clog the "watchman's" consoles with radio frequencies! For there are already radio scanners in service with the military, which create problems for the "radiomins"! Moreover, the neutralization of "radio mines" can be carried out in 2 ways: by "selecting" a radio command for the explosion ... and "hammering" the radio receiving path of the mine fuse, depriving it of the opportunity to recognize the command! And what about the option when the attacker will turn off the radio receiving path of the electronic block "in a simple way"?
    1. +6
      28 September 2021 16: 39
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The author proposes to "equip" the watchmen with remote controls that turn off the electronic blocks in the weapon! And there will be "electronic warfare consoles" that clog the "watchman's" consoles with radio frequencies!

      Worse yet, in our reality, "switches" will quickly appear "on the other side of the law." And the bandits will laugh for a long time over the attempts of their victim to shoot: Well, what, did the smart gun help you? Schaz we you know where we will put it.
  18. +1
    28 September 2021 12: 47
    It is technically possible to do this, but in our conditions the cost will not be humane. And what will happen, for example, with the shtuchniks who are on hand. Now a beginner can only buy a double-barreled gun. It's enough.
  19. +3
    28 September 2021 12: 52
    Quote: t-12
    Heard the shots? I pressed the button.
    Why bother with a button?
    Tesla is a "fat" thing (it won't fit in your pocket) and its price, respectively. That’s where the know-how was crammed and all kinds of software and hardware. And she, the infection, saw the moon, and got up, decided that it was yellow at the traffic light, and on the striped road counter thought that it was a child in such a sweater. Well, what can you expect from the "brains" of a pukalka, the size of a PM?
    Т
  20. +5
    28 September 2021 13: 17
    Quote: Svarog
    In order not to repeat such tragedies, a set of measures is needed .. The work of educators and teachers, the district police officer must work hard ... everyone knew before his district police officer .. now no one knows .. whether he exists at all ..

    I still remember my district police officer (and I’m 70).
    On the workers' outskirts, in the 60s, count everything, punks and tramps.
    Guys 47-48-49 th apart (some with a knife, some with brass knuckles).
    Cigarettes, maps, in the ravines outside the city, in the trenches they found weapons, gunpowder
    We, 52-53-54, are jerks (slingshots, copper pipes-samopaly). So
    yourself - at night to whom to enclose the cherries. Do not approach the elders, unless they call you.
    The store has a barrel of beer, around the frontline workers. Beer with a "brush".
    Heated debates - "yes at the Seelow Heights ...."
    District police officer, Major Ogurenko, "Uncle Fedya". Knew everyone and everything.
    "Well, come on, dad, what shift? (Knew who was whose, plant, workshop and by name!)
    -On first. - Tell bate, I'll come at 6.
    18 -00. Uncle Fedya (boots, harness, tablet) is on the doorstep, stomping his feet importantly.
    - House book. Leafing through .... wife, mother-in-law .... And who is this (to grandmother)?
    - Yes, here's my mother from the village, she got sick, they brought me to heal.
    -Look me- 5 days according to the law, then you need to register! I'll write out a fine.
    Be healthy.
    Elder boobies, moonshine licked and boiled at night this barrel of beer in the cemetery,
    into the ravine. One day was enough for Uncle Fedya - Come on, was there? -
    - Was not. - Where have you been? 5-6 yards (and which and in which case he felt in one place)
    bypassed and the "criminals" are all found.
    This was a dear father, he fought for everyone, as for his own. - comes to Uncle Peter
    (both front-line soldiers, both with wounds) - Petya, what are we going to do with your kid?
    - No, I know already ...
    - Petya, two months ago there was a fight with a neighbor, they wrote a statement, ah aprotokol.
    A month ago, again, near the school, I was cowardly at the children - again the protocol.
    Both protocols are still in my safe.
    But I can't go on! Petya, take him into a tight-knit gauntlet, and cut him
    on the ass with a command belt! Well, he gets to the colony and you lose him!
    Will return urkoy.
    Well, he's a good kid, I'm sorry - don't you feel sorry for your son? Think, think, Petya!
    Then, after years, we ourselves are fathers, the old "Uncle Fedya" in the legs
    bowed at the meeting, tried to give a lift.
    Our parents instructed us on the true path, from many misfortunes they managed
    save but there was also "Uncle Fedya" - our guardian angel!
  21. +2
    28 September 2021 13: 28
    The very next day, either weapons with hacked blocks, or the blocks themselves, with the limiter removed, will be on sale.
  22. 0
    28 September 2021 13: 45
    belay belay belay
    "Russia stops production and retail sales of classic firearms inside the country, but is mastering such an electric weapon. The electrician uses a non-removable, non-dismantled block, an attempt to open which irreversibly damages the weapon."
    Either today is 01.04, or the author was hacked.
    Either I'm in a coma and it all seems to me.
  23. +5
    28 September 2021 14: 45
    The article is nonsense.
  24. sen
    +1
    28 September 2021 14: 50
    Can electrical weapons prevent school shootings?

    Many hold weapons for self-defense and are unlikely to agree with you.
  25. +2
    28 September 2021 16: 47
    Andrey, with all due respect, maybe it's better about the fleet? You're doing great.
    It has been written more than once that a weapon is a tool. Specific, but still. And your electric launches will not solve the question from the word at all. They will definitely come up with a way of shielding. It's not difficult at all. And yes, people have tools and materials that are much more lethal than weapons.
    Forgive me, but my IMHO problem is unsolvable in the current kind of society. As long as there is competition between individuals, there will be aggression. And the competition will only grow. As well as the concentration of people on the square of the area. How will the number of OFFICIALLY ARMED people grow to control the rest. This is me talking about police major Yevsyukov, if that.
  26. +2
    28 September 2021 16: 48
    Suppose Russia stops manufacturing and retailing classic firearms domestically, but masters such an electric weapon. Which electrician goes with a non-removable, non-disassembled unit,

    Let's assume. This is unlikely to save from mass killings, but it will definitely add a headache to the owners of sporting and hunting weapons. Well, and a chance for another cut on the electrification of the trunks.
  27. 0
    28 September 2021 17: 01
    It is not so difficult to create a hunting rifle and ammunition for it, in which the powder in the cartridge is ignited as a result of the action of an electric pulse.

    The presence of such ammunition will greatly simplify the manufacture of weapons in an artisanal way.
    The block that forms the ignition pulse is technically easy to manufacture.
  28. +4
    28 September 2021 21: 08
    Andrey, as soon as you agree to cut across Chelyabinsk in a car with remotely deactivated gas pedal and brakes, I will immediately believe that you have offered this nonsense seriously. So what if you personally comply with traffic rules, and how many moose driving do not comply with them? Wouldn't you sacrifice your personal interests for the public good and to make it easier to catch offenders? You, apparently, are completely ready to answer for drunken antics behind the wheel of that character, and for this, and for everyone else.

    Attention, the question: why should the fact that some bastard started shooting should lead to restrictions, prohibitions and inconveniences for law-abiding and respectable citizens? Fear the freaks - fight the freaks.
  29. +1
    28 September 2021 21: 58
    According to official data from the Russian Guard, in 2019, almost four million people were owners of weapons in Russia. They had 969807 rifled and 4409541 smooth-bore civilian weapons on their hands (https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2019/08/15/81612-rosgvardiya-razoruzhit-rossiyan).
    But ~ 5,37 million weapons are nothing compared to the tens of millions of cartridges with an electric capsule that will be needed for this weapon. In addition to cartridges for the Wasp traumatic pistol, other cartridges with an electric capsule for small weapons in Russia, I do not know. And in the world as a whole, such cartridges are very rare (a good article on this topic - https://armystandard.ru/news/201812241057-Y5sT1.html). The transition of the cartridge industry to mass production of all the necessary range of cartridges with an electric capsule specifically for civilian weapons will be prohibitively expensive. And without mass production, the retail price of such cartridges will be prohibitive for the buyer. All this, together with the need to withdraw and alter all models of civilian firearms for the use of "electric cartridges" makes the proposal to switch to electric weapons completely unrealistic. The development of completely new models of electric weapons and cartridges for them and the gradual transition to electric weapons for 20-30 years are completely meaningless because over such a period, the socio-economic situation in our country is changing beyond recognition.
  30. +1
    29 September 2021 08: 39
    Alas, Andrei, this is unlikely to help.
    Moreover, "switches" - transmitters of such a signal (with a range of 400-500 meters) are not sold freely, but they are "armed" with security guards and teachers of educational institutions, bankers, clerks, salespeople and other people who are on duty in crowded places. Heard the shots? I pressed the button.

    If these "switches" are available to millions of people, then sooner or later the "kulibins" will create "switches" and begin to implement them ...
    So, as a cardinal solution to the problem, this option is hardly suitable ...
  31. 0
    29 September 2021 09: 02
    No, it cannot, because the question is not about weapons at all. If a person dies, no makeup will help him, and neither will a haircut. He must be treated.
    And dreams that Asher's gun shops are about to open are simply ridiculous.
  32. 0
    29 September 2021 12: 51
    But nevertheless, I think, it is in this direction that we should move - it is realizable on the technologies of today and can really help.
    A very interesting idea, I would say a beautiful idea. There are, of course, questions, but they relate to the implementation of the idea itself.
    1. +3
      29 September 2021 14: 20
      A beautiful idea, you say? Let's say it has been implemented - how soon do you think thugs of all stripes will realize that it is now better to go to work with an illegal mechanical barrel without any switches there and having a "magic" button to disable the legal barrels of possible opponents?

      I will repeat for the 100500th time: any restrictions limit only those who agree to be limited. Weapon bans work only for law-abiding citizens, and by limiting their ability to resist the criminal, objectively work in favor of the criminal.
      1. +1
        29 September 2021 16: 40
        Quote: Kir Duc
        Weapon bans work only for law-abiding citizens, and by limiting their ability to resist the criminal, objectively work in favor of the criminal.

        To make my position clear, I will cite one of my recent comments:
        Yura (Yuri) 3 September 23, 2021 18:43
        A very thoughtful article, with many, but not all, I agree. I have not had a weapon for a long time, about 20-25 years, and I am not going to start it, but I vote for the right to have it according to the law, including the short-barreled. It is simply necessary to establish a real and adequate order in the acquisition of weapons, but without fanaticism, there must be a very sober and thoughtful approach to this.
        And the fact that the idea is interesting does not mean that tomorrow it will be implemented and whether it will be implemented at all. In principle, I agree with you or you are with me))) if you read my posts on this topic, starting with comments from more than nine years. hi
  33. CYM
    0
    29 September 2021 18: 54
    There is no need to reinvent the wheel. We need timely psychiatric help. People prone to aggression and inappropriate dangerous for themselves and circling behavior should receive appropriate treatment, including involuntarily in a hospital. Naturally, mentally ill people should not have legal access to sources of increased danger. Just look at how many street racers, hookers, base jumpers, sidewalk racers and other inadequate ones have grown. But psychiatric hospitals in our country have been “optimized to zero” everywhere, and supposedly “punitive” psychiatry has been banned.
    Visual result https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2021/09/25/14020993.shtml
    So how can electric weapons or a complete ban on weapons help against such a thing? sad
    1. +2
      30 September 2021 06: 24
      In Kamensk-Uralsky, a couple of days ago (this is 100 km from Yekaterinburg), inadequately started shooting from pneumatics at the utilities who came to turn on the heat in the house. He thought that they had come to disconnect him from everything, there were debts. Began to smack. He missed well and did not hurt anyone. Was taken by a living riot police.

      In Yekaterinburg, a fifth-grader came a couple of days ago to gymnasium number 70 with a knife, did not have time to cut anyone, they neutralized them.

      note, in both cases the firearm was not used. these cases indicate that if they do, they will come with anything - a knife, pneumatics, an ax, a hammer, a car is used to run over, .....

      it turns out it's not a firearm, but psychiatry. firearms are only one of the ways that will allow the inadequate to realize their plans. moreover, it is not the easiest one - you do not need to get a permit for a kitchen knife or an ax, and many already have the right to drive transport. IMHO.
  34. 0
    30 September 2021 17: 37
    All these are half measures and this is not an option.
    It is necessary to maintain public health, especially the young.
    This will be a little more difficult, right?
  35. 0
    2 October 2021 00: 39
    If he doesn’t buy a barrel, he’ll mix up a Molotov or take an ax. So this kind of high-tech is not an option.
  36. 0
    4 October 2021 00: 08
    The idea is interesting! You can practice for lovers of high-speed driving in the city, because the gas pedal on most modern cars is electronic. Here, only, the radio signal is easy to screen. Such weapons are of little use for hunting.
    Somewhere in Australia, if I'm not mistaken, they made a similar weapon, but it was stationary and used to guard objects.
  37. 0
    6 October 2021 10: 36
    Yes. There will be enough fools in Russia for a long time.
  38. 0
    24 October 2021 20: 42
    As for a weapon that many do not use for self-defense, they know that by killing a criminal, you will sit down. Although every criminal is a subhuman without the right to life, and the killer of a criminal must be given a gold medal for bringing the rotten genes of the subhuman out of further genetic circulation. And to train the determination to shoot is simple: give your child a kitten. When he loves him and becomes attached - make his kitten strangle.
  39. 0
    27 October 2021 17: 48
    Guys, you're not talking about that here. As an excellent student who was bullied by the Losers at school, I will ask you the first question - don't I have the right to take revenge on them all for the years of humiliation? And yes, I went to the sections, tried to play sports, even pulled up the most in the class. But I was bullied precisely because I was better than everyone else. He did not drink, did not smoke, did not use foul language. Didn't go to smoke with the boys during recess. Raised his hand in class and so on and so on. And so I read all these articles about shooting in schools and I'm terribly jealous. That would be so for me in due time. There was no firearms at hand, and when I broke loose, freaked out and climbed with fists, I was crushed by the crowd. And two trivial things kept me from killing me. First, for some reason I was sure that the parents were being punished for the crimes of a minor (I don't know where it came from and why I didn't try to double-check it as a teenager).
    The second is computer games. I was one of the first in the village to have a computer and I went headlong into virtual worlds.
    But if at least someone then suggested that I think not about myself, but about others and would say: "boy, they will certainly jail you, but think how many people like you, you can save how many of these bastards will break lives, because they will grow up and they will mock others, just like you. " I would have bitten all my offenders with my teeth without any weapon, firearm or knife. And even if then they would kill me, and my parents would pay fines, but how many would I save. These are the thoughts I would have at the age of 11-12.
    Think about what you are currently discussing, how to protect the strong from the weak, who suddenly has the opportunity to respond. In all the news about school shooting, I have not yet found "my" case. The shooter either has a "god" complex, or he comes to avenge humiliation, but at the same time he is not an exemplary student himself. But such cases are heard and they are very inspiring. Those like me. And I promise you a much more bloody bath, when offended excellent students go to shoot.
  40. 0
    19 December 2021 06: 46
    Hello!
    I disagree with your thoughts on reducing the number of shooters through restrictions and prohibitions !!!
    The answers to all questions lie in the plane of psychology !!!
    All the shooters were previously thrown out of society and took offense at him !!!
    The problem can be solved only by changing the training !!!
    For example, to introduce competition between classes for collective academic achievement in subjects !!!
    We need to make everyone feel that society needs him and never and no one would be left alone with their problems !!!
    In fact, both suicide and shooters in various institutions only because people did not find support in society and could not self-actualize for the good of society !!!
    Regards, Alexey!
  41. 0
    28 December 2021 10: 53
    Starting to read such notes, for some reason, every time I expect to see an explanation for the absence of such incidents in the post-war USSR, when ammunition and even weapons were not at all unprecedented ...

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