Europe and Russia: peeping at peepers

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The West dumped its bucket of opinions about elections into our swamp. Naturally, for how without it? The only question is how is it all about the color and smell.

Probably, it is worth starting with the fact that honestly admit that I ignored the elections. Well, it's not interesting to be a participant in a ridiculous show with a logical outcome. I appreciated with pleasure the arrogance and impudence of the chairmen of the commissions all over the country, got an incredible pleasure from the comments of Mrs. Pamfilova, her “I don't see anything, I don't hear anything, everything is going according to plan” is worthy of applause and stuff like that.



In general, it is dull, uninteresting and predictable.

But the same cannot be said about the world reaction. The world reaction has more than once made my eyes bulge and express myself not very (yes, very much even there) censorship.

And now we will talk about the world reaction.

The global reaction is, shall we say, a little negative. Some countries spoke out harshly, some frankly did not care.

Of course, the advocates of full and undiluted democracy noted that no one from the so-called “non-parliamentary opposition” was allowed before the elections. Sobol, Yashin, Grudinin - well, the Kremlin is very afraid of the results that they could show. And God forbid - to win. Therefore, the Kremlin decided to disgrace themselves, but exclude the very possibility of the appearance of real oppositionists on the political arena.

To me personally, all this fuss with "foreign agents" and the removal of non-systematic ones from the political arena is ridiculous. And in Europe they look at it through the prism of democracy, and therefore they are very worried. And some are completely scared. Just in case.

“These elections were not fair, free or equal. This is just an attempt by Putin's authoritarian regime to give itself a democratic look. But they have nothing to do with democratic elections, taking into account both falsifications and manipulations and pressure on opposition forces. "

This is Dietmar Köster, German, MEP, expert on Russia. Social Democrat.

“We can talk about real elections only when there is a chance for the formation of a new majority in parliament. But the United Russia party is winning ... I don't even know since when. This is also a definite indicator "Koester adds.

An old song: falsifications, manipulations, illegitimate elections ... Everything is so familiar. A few more quotes:

“These elections took place in an atmosphere of intimidation by critical and independent voices and without international observation, which is trustworthy. I'm sorry, but the Russian authorities decided to limit the number of observers of the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR), citing the threat of coronavirus. And without full-fledged international observation it is very difficult to see exactly how the elections were held ”.

This is already the EU official representative for foreign policy Peter Stano.

Mr. Representative also pointed to reports of numerous violations. However, he kept silent that the organization he represents refused to send observers to the elections in Russia at all.

In general, let's be serious: there are 96 polling stations in Russia. How many observers could have come from Europe? Three or four hundred? And what could they see there? Never mind. On such a meager number of sites, it was easy to organize everything so that the mosquito would not undermine the nose. No noise and dust, as they say.

So yes, Mr. Stano could not have sent anyone and without restrictions from the Russian authorities. Just declare after the fact that "everything is bad", which, in fact, he did.

By the way, is it okay that a record number of observers - less than fifty - were admitted to the presidential elections in the United States? How about the riots, the storming of the Capitol by Trump supporters? Is everything so legitimate and legal?


Photo: Tyler Merbler / flickr.com

By the way, but in Russia, where no one went from the OSCE, there were about 250 observers from other countries.

And, according to Trump, a little more people voted than live in the United States. Is that okay too?

Well, the elections in Russia were not fair. And when were the elections fair? Here it is worth looking at the attacks Trump and Biden exchanged. And give yourself an answer to this question.

If we talk about fair elections and the absence of pressure, one can, of course, remember Ukraine. When neither the presence of the state apparatus, nor money, nor connections - nothing helped Petro Poroshenko.

And here we can easily remember “those” elections in Kiev, in the winter of 2014. And who and how they chose there.

But we have a completely different case. We just elected deputies. It is clear that these warm and comfortable chairs were filled with people wishing to live beautifully for the good of the country from all over the world. And it is clear that the armchairs are so warm that the United Russia members did not want to give them up to anyone. And they did not concede. Except that I had to make room.

However, the question arises: what does Europe care about the mess that is going on in Russia? Moreover, there is no chaos in Russia. One political and financial group has seized power and is not going to give it to anyone. For authoritarian countries, this is quite normal.

But, pay attention, no one in our squares lit, as in Kiev, did not crowd into the Capitol, as in Washington, did not organize pogroms, as it was all over France.

Silence and grace.

And here is such a nuance, which is worse: a democratic sublime pogrom or a quiet and peaceful planting and gagging of the dissatisfied?

Where is there more humanity, in the free and democratically correct storming of the Capitol, where four people died, the democratic and free Maidan coup in Kiev, where hundreds died, or Russia, where Navalny alone suffered? And even then, not to death.

It turns out interesting: the death of people in the West in the name of democracy is right. If there were no murders in Russia, it is disgusting.

Interestingly, death as a sign of legitimacy ... This seems to have "sailed". It's good that we are not, but there, in the West.

And so, our wrong elections do not want to be recognized as legitimate.

Actually, what does it matter there, in Europe, before our elections? And, most importantly, what's next? A break up? Overlapping borders? Blockade?

It's nothing.

The same buddy Koester:

“Since the elections were not democratic, the new convocation of the State Duma will not have democratic legitimacy. But this should not become an obstacle to dialogue with Russia. I still consider it important to talk with the new Duma deputies, even if they are deprived of democratic legitimacy ... I am a supporter of a new policy of detente. We must look for a way out of the new Cold War ongoing with Russia. But Russia is also obliged to look for a way out. "

Looking for a way out from where? From Europe? So we are already kind of like one foot is not there. Although it looks more like both are not there, and the door has been slammed. And the Europeans peep through the keyhole, how is it wrong with us.

And, as you know, the seeker will find. They will find, they will not go anywhere. Because I really want to find it. I think that by the time Putin's presidential elections in 2024 will be found a fourth person involved in the Skripals case. And the third who blew up the warehouses. They will find a lot of interesting things, because the presidential elections are not for you in the Duma. Duma, let's say - a rehearsal before the main concert. Warm up.

So all these shouts from European councils and organizations, from the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine - these are all trifles. Moreover, expected and predictable. Everyone can be criticized. Except for Ukraine. Here, excuse me, whose wave would broadcast, and the Ukrainian would be silent.

We should also take Mr. Erdogan separately. In general, all our heroes of labor from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs need to be minted and given out a separate order. With Erdogan's profile, as a reward for a job well done with Turkey.

Because the further, the more the whole story Russian-Turkish relations are somehow becoming more like paying tribute to the Turkish sultan. On you, dear Recep, the gas pipeline! On you, Tayyip-bey, S-400! We exchange your tomatoes for our tourists, efendim! Do not deny yourself anything, dear!

Indeed, dear Erdogan turns out. They appease him, appease him, and he turns his face back. Like Gulchatay in the film. Crimea is not legitimate, elections are not legitimate ...

Yes, these are Erdogan tomatoes are not legitimate. They stink with blood.

Of course, it's a shame for the state. But since 2015, it became clear to smart people that an ally from Erdogan is about the same as Yusuf Pasha, Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov, could become.

However, the successes of our foreign policy are a separate topic for conversation.

Speaking of the elections, it is worth noting that no matter how our gentlemen, the deputies are elected, is our personal internal affair. And no one, except the Russians, has any right to discuss the ongoing internal affairs in Russia.

There will be presidential elections - at least get hoarse from criticism. Let's listen. The outcome of the elections today is not at all interesting to everyone who understands, but listening to what is being sung from the other side will be funny.

Interestingly, they will also declare not legitimate?
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  1. -20
    24 September 2021 05: 56
    The society is not ripe for democracy. Before the invasion of Russia, Napoleon planned (an example from history) to abolish serfdom in Russia, but as he waged hostilities with the Russian army and partisans, he abandoned his original intention, considering it erroneous, believing that the Russian peasant is violent and should be kept in strict ...
    1. -25
      24 September 2021 05: 57
      Democracy is bullshit! Divorce for suckers! And I see people with my views - not to go to the polls, more and more on the VO. And this is the correct civic position! Participation in pro-Western "democratic" elections is the same as supporting LGBT people! laughing
      1. +26
        24 September 2021 06: 09
        You are apolitical, mister. Zyablitsev. This is not a civic position, this is the position of a contented opportunist who is completely and completely satisfied with everything that happens around him - corruption, theft, the withdrawal of stolen people's money from the cordon, an increase in tariffs and prices and other well-known "charms" - the main thing is that I'm fine, but you don't care about the rest and the rest.
        1. -18
          24 September 2021 06: 17
          Perhaps apolitical, but sensible! What can you change when you come to the polls - NOTHING! Let's just look at one question - who participates in the elections as candidates: either representatives of the current government, or wealthy people who can pay for the collection of signatures and the election campaign, or successful politicians (as a rule, conformists, partners of the current government), or all sorts of shouts who as a rule, they do not pose a threat to the authorities. What can they change - NOTHING! Do they need it? Having promised heaven on earth, at the expense of the votes of the lohtorat (people with an "active" life position), they provide themselves with a full state pension and immunity!
          Let us remember the Father of Nations, who was an intelligent man, that he wrote:
          "The liberal bourgeois gentlemen will be" very happy "if freedom of speech, press and unions is given, if only the freedom to strike is limited. That is why they talk so much" about the rights of man and citizen ", while they do not understand anything about the freedom to strike. they say, besides the fact that they are pharisaically babbling about some “economic reforms.” If they live to see the fulfillment of all these desires, then as a result the rights of the tsar will be in the hands of the bourgeoisie and the tsarist autocracy will gradually turn into the autocracy of the bourgeoisie. and city leaders. "That is why they, even in their sleep, are afraid of the people's revolution and talk so much about" the pacification of Russia. "
          What eventually happened and is happening! Democracy, like elections, is a myth! I do not participate in this democratic circus - and you, please, change your life for the better, the main thing is not to overstrain! laughing
          1. +3
            24 September 2021 08: 35
            Are you sure you live in Russia? The more I read your comets, the more I understand your psychic portrait. You are a natural hatoskreinik! It is necessary to vote, but how to decide for yourself, this is money from the budget. It's good that there is no percentage, thanks to people like you, the elections were disrupted earlier. This is a very dangerous anti-state opinion !!!
            1. -2
              24 September 2021 09: 21

              United Russia gained 70%. I did not see those dissatisfied. So they approve.
              1. -3
                24 September 2021 14: 36
                Quote: Civil
                United Russia gained 70%. I did not see those dissatisfied. So they approve.

                Do they approve or accept? Not a single sane person wants to repeat Bolotnaya ... it would be better to raise everyone together on a pitchfork when the time comes.
              2. 0
                26 September 2021 13: 36
                United Russia gained 70%. I did not see those dissatisfied. So they approve.

                49,82%
            2. -11
              24 September 2021 11: 35
              I have not voted since 1996 and do not intend to vote - everything suits me, is that clearer?
              1. AUL
                +4
                24 September 2021 14: 37
                Quote: Finches
                I have not voted since 1996 and do not intend to vote - I'm happy with everything, is that clearer?

                Yes, it is much more understandable. There is a small, but quite definite group of people in the Russian Federation who are satisfied with everything. But there is another group, which, to put it mildly, is somewhat larger. They are not satisfied with everything "in the Danish kingdom"!
                1. +1
                  24 September 2021 20: 09
                  At the rallies, something is not observed by a slightly larger group of people. Of all the evils, the lesser is chosen. So far, EDRO is considered the lesser evil. Therefore, no one is particularly outraged.
                  1. AUL
                    +3
                    24 September 2021 21: 39
                    Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                    At the rallies, something is not observed by a slightly larger group of people.

                    Naturally! Otherwise, you will throw a plastic cup accidentally past the urn, and the gold will be offended that you litter. He will scold ...
              2. D16
                +5
                24 September 2021 18: 31
                I have not voted since 1996 and do not intend to vote

                "Not participating in politics will not free you from its results" (O. F. Bismarck)
                1. -6
                  24 September 2021 18: 33
                  I do not have time to respond to citizens with an active life position, but when I needed to mobilize a unit, the activity of citizens was very striving for 0 ... Why is this so ?? What did Bismarck write about it? laughing
                  1. D16
                    +1
                    24 September 2021 18: 40
                    And these are the consequences of not participating in politics. “I didn’t go to the polls, I didn’t elect this president, and you got to the bottom of me with your mobilization”. lol I would have voted for someone else, maybe it would not have come to mobilization.
                    1. -8
                      24 September 2021 18: 43
                      That is why not men, but rags and stinkers! They go to the Army not for the president and the dominant faction in the Duma, but for the Motherland! For Mom and Dad, their children, grandparents, their relatives and friends. .. Regardless of the order and time of year! I have the honor!
                      1. D16
                        +1
                        24 September 2021 18: 47
                        Since the time of the Patriotic Wars, at least one was for the Motherland?
                      2. -6
                        24 September 2021 18: 57
                        Everyone was for the Motherland! We are not Anglo-Saxons, suffering from a centuries-old colonial policy that siphoned all resources from the country in favor of a metropolitan area that flourished. Afghanistan, this is a mistake, I believe, but the entire infrastructure that we have built in this country is a complete carte blanche. The Russian boys did their duty in full and it was calm on our borders. The Americans haven't even built a toilet in 20 years. Chechnya, since the time of Ermolov, and all that is there is Russia. Syria, the independence of the people today, this is Russia ... I have friends when all the Syrians fled, but they were not wars, traders ... Colonels, not the last people in the army, remained on the line of defense and taught once again to respect the Russian army. .. AND THERE, our interest, we, tea, not Luxembourg! We are Russia! What did you want to say with your comment?
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                      4. -2
                        24 September 2021 20: 03
                        Somewhere there is truth in your words, but for the rest of the time there is no discussion! hi
                      5. AUL
                        +1
                        24 September 2021 21: 56
                        Quote: Finches
                        Afghanistan is a mistake, I believe, but the entire infrastructure we have built in this country is a complete carte blanche. Russian boys have done their duty in full

                        And when did our boys manage to owe so much to the Afghan peasants that they had to pay off the debt with their lives and health? And what interest do our colonels have in getting involved in the Syrian inter-clan showdown?
                      6. 0
                        27 September 2021 00: 23
                        Quote: Finches
                        The Americans haven't even built a toilet in 20 years.

                        This is not entirely true.
                        https://ru.unesco.org/news/afganistan-yunesko-podcherkivaet-klyuchevye-problemy-v-oblasti-obrazovaniya-nauki-i-kultury-v
                        A significant increase in the literacy rate from 34% (2002) to 43% (2020).

                        Considering that during this time the population of Afghanistan doubled (during the Soviet presence it decreased by 10%), then the number of schools in this country should have more than doubled. The Americans invested a lot, including in civilian infrastructure, but the experiment failed anyway. As well as the Soviet one.
                      7. 0
                        24 September 2021 21: 50
                        They go to the Army not for the president and the dominant faction in the Duma, but for the Motherland!

                      8. AUL
                        +1
                        24 September 2021 21: 50
                        Quote: Finches
                        That is why not men, but rags and stinkers!

                        IMHO, this definition is more suitable for those who took the extreme hut! wassat
                      9. -4
                        24 September 2021 21: 53
                        Did you serve in the army, opponent?
                      10. AUL
                        +1
                        24 September 2021 22: 01
                        6th Red Banner Air Defense Army. Military unit 09436 VUS is a specialist in display and interface systems. Private. DMB-72.
                      11. -3
                        24 September 2021 22: 08
                        Good! Respect hi And I am from a private conscript to the command of a separate military unit ... It's good that we have our own opinion! But if the supstat, God forbid today tomorrow, will show us and the Motherland will call us, I am already retired, we will have to defend it together, and Putin will be Supreme, will you not go?
                      12. AUL
                        +2
                        25 September 2021 00: 52
                        Quote: Finches
                        won't you go?

                        I'll go! Although at 73 with a ponytail in my VUS I will clearly be out of business. Well, they can take them to the kitchen, to the train or to the brass band.
                        BUT:
                        1. I am sure that if some political officer / deputy for educational work / deputy for work with L / S or whatever they call him will shout "Forward, for Putin!" - the first bullet will be his.
                        2. I am 100% sure that if the adversary, God forbid, attacks, then the current guarantor will be far outside the Russian Federation within 3 hours. For he perfectly understands what will happen to him in the event of a lost (which is extremely unlikely) war, and no less well understands what our victorious people will do to him (and his friends)!
                      13. -2
                        25 September 2021 07: 07
                        Come on! And I live in the forest - the majority do not care about Putin, there is and is! And many people are satisfied with it, for me personally, someone doesn’t like it ... So many didn’t like Stalin, so what?
                      14. AUL
                        +1
                        25 September 2021 09: 48
                        With Stalin it is even blasphemous to mention him next to him! With all my ambiguous attitude towards Stalin. These are completely different phenomena.
                      15. -1
                        25 September 2021 22: 04
                        And what kind of double standards !? What are the different phenomena? How has Putin offended you, a 70-year-old man?
                      16. AUL
                        0
                        25 September 2021 22: 24
                        Quote: Finches
                        And what kind of double standards !? What are the different phenomena? How has Putin offended you, a 70-year-old man?

                        Well, first of all, the concept of "double standards" has nothing to do with it, by definition.
                        And secondly, if you really do not care and everything suits you (according to your statement) - is there any point in explaining to you once again what has already been explained and proved to you here a hundred times? Convincing you if you are fundamentally unconvinced? I'm sorry to amortize the keyboard! No.
                      17. -1
                        25 September 2021 22: 28
                        Have you avoided answering that? laughing But with regard to me personally, VVP has fulfilled all its promises - I've been writing this here for 7 years on similar threads, why should I change my attitude towards it? And I have something to compare with!
                      18. AUL
                        0
                        25 September 2021 22: 31
                        And secondly, if you really do not care and everything suits you (according to your statement), is there any point in explaining once again to you that Have you been explained and proven here a hundred times? Convincing you if you are fundamentally unconvinced? I'm sorry to amortize the keyboard!
                      19. -1
                        25 September 2021 22: 32
                        I could not restrain myself, but I think I corrected myself in time! Your position, this is your position, I respect it, I ask you to respect my opinion too! hi
                      20. AUL
                        0
                        25 September 2021 22: 36
                        You know, I expected something similar from you. But you will not expect this from me - not that level. bully
                      21. -1
                        25 September 2021 22: 37
                        I have corrected myself! So excuse me generously! And you, you could not expect anything like this from me, you did not participate in the discussions with me before ... laughing
              3. +1
                24 September 2021 22: 11
                I will support. I'm from 85th.
          2. -2
            24 September 2021 11: 33
            Quote: Finches
            The liberal bourgeois gentlemen will be "very happy" if freedom of speech, press and association is given, so long as the freedom to strike is limited.

            And Joseph himself directly encouraged strikes? And even the term for being late for work did not enter?
            1. -4
              24 September 2021 13: 17
              And that's another story! laughing
        2. +4
          24 September 2021 06: 41
          We had elections to the local council. In the mailbox, the posters of the deputies, laid out, I read: Petrov, a member of the United Russia, a candidate from the United Russia, Ivanov, a member of the United Russia, a self-nominated candidate, Sidorov, a member of the United Russia, a self-nominated candidate, among seven, got in from the Motherland party. smile
          1. +2
            24 September 2021 13: 07
            Quote: parusnik
            among the seven, got in the way of the Rodina party.

            Well, if your voters voted for him unanimously, so he would have won - or has this never happened in history? But we have a dofiga screamers that you don't need to go to the polls, and then here on the forum they cry, and why does the EP wins? That is why it wins because more than half do not want to vote at all, and this is a big disaster for our Motherland. As for the rest, who came to the elections, their current government suits them, and this is obvious even without foreign observers.
            1. AUL
              +5
              24 September 2021 14: 46
              Quote: ccsr
              why is EP winning? That is why it wins because more than half do not want to vote at all, and this is a big disaster for our Motherland.

              Yes, because most of them sit on their butts straight and wait for their uncle to come and start tearing up their ass to make you feel good! Do not wait, because nobody needs you nafig, to push for you. Until you start to itch yourself, nominate your candidates and support them, you will vote for officials and bandits who are being let down to you from above!
            2. +1
              24 September 2021 17: 18
              So he went through, and then fled to United Russia, now a prominent party functionary there laughing In our country, many systemic oppositionists have joined the ruling party. smile
              1. -7
                24 September 2021 19: 07
                Quote: parusnik
                So he went through, and then fled to United Russia, now a prominent party functionary there

                And that EP is to blame, that your voters turned out to be fools and could not understand for whom they were voting? And where were your left forces - why they did not come forward with you, and why the people did not follow them. It seems that all of you are happy with the EP, since they are not particularly versed in candidates.
                Quote: parusnik
                In our country, many systemic oppositionists have joined the ruling party.

                1. +1
                  24 September 2021 19: 22
                  Quote: ccsr
                  that your voters turned out to be fools and could not understand who they were voting for?

                  The bulk did not vote for the EP. Even state employees. who were driven to vote on the first day, and to a certain site, voted mainly for the Communist Party. I talked with the bailiff, talked today with an employee of the Federal Migration Service. With a banal poll of random people, it turns out that people either did not go or voted mainly for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, much less for the Liberal Democratic Party and the SR. I have not met a single person who voted for New People, a couple of people voted for the United Russia only for single-mandate members, no one voted for the United Russia on the lists. The question was asked by about 30 people, acquaintances, colleagues, neighbors, random people (bailiff, FMS, watchman at GSK)
                  So voters are not stupid. hi
                  1. -4
                    24 September 2021 19: 43
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    The bulk did not vote for the EP.

                    And how did they win in single-mandate candidates then? I don’t believe that there was a total rigging in the presence of representatives of other parties. Their representatives scored 88,4% in single-mandate candidates, and this gave them a common victory.
                    The result of United Russia in single-mandate constituencies turned out to be slightly less than in the last elections: the party took 198 constituencies against 203 in 2016.


                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    The question was asked by about 30 people, acquaintances, colleagues, neighbors, random people

                    I believe that it was in your environment that it was, but I'm afraid that your friends do not at all reflect the mood of the whole society, which is why the EP won. By the way, I didn't vote for them either.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    So voters are not stupid.

                    At least they came, and that's not bad. But those who do not walk are definitely fools, and thanks to them the power will always win. Another option is hardly possible ...
                    1. +2
                      24 September 2021 20: 51
                      Quote: ccsr
                      I don’t believe that there was a total rigging in the presence of representatives of other parties.

                      You don’t believe in night-time juggling either? In stuffing, in a carousel? In rewriting the protocols, in the "correct" counting, when observers are not allowed?
                      1. -1
                        25 September 2021 16: 42
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You don’t believe in night-time juggling either? In stuffing, in a carousel? In rewriting the protocols, in the "correct" counting, when observers are not allowed?

                        I do not believe that this could have been carried out on a massive scale now, as it was in 1996, when Zyuganov received a little more votes than Yeltsin, but he was afraid to rouse the people, knowing about the fraud.
                      2. 0
                        25 September 2021 18: 53
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I do not believe that it could have been done on a massive scale now

                        Electronic voting that radically changed the alignment of the winning candidates? Pamfilova's refusal to broadcast from the PEC? Numerous videos of the nightly change of bilutes? Videos of stuffing, carousels, driving state employees to the sites at the place of work? Not?
                        Quote: ccsr
                        but he chickened out to rouse the people, knowing about the fraud.

                        Yes, there was such a fact, but Szyu just wanted to live.
                        PS Today I talked with a gas station operator, he is also perplexed, and just like me he talks to people. We compared the result, and it is the same. The bulk was behind the Communist Party.
                      3. 0
                        25 September 2021 20: 28
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Not?

                        No.
                        There were too many observers, and no one turned off the cameras, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will check all the recordings - so they said.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Numerous videos of the nightly change of bilutes?

                        Post them here, it will be very interesting if these are not fakes.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The bulk was behind the Communist Party.

                        So it amazes me why they didn’t vote for one-mandate members like that. After all, edrosy got a decisive advantage there, and not according to the lists.
                2. +3
                  25 September 2021 08: 08
                  And how is the stupidity of the voters manifested? They voted as a candidate for the Motherland, and after being elected he moved to United Russia. What is stupidity?
                  And where were your left forces
                  In the ranks of the EP, Where can they be ... it's warm, there are apples ... Nobody presses you, and you can also make a career ... We have no left forces, we have one boredom. In the sense of EP. Our protest is that they try not to go to the polls, but they force them where they can, people take pictures of the ballot and send them to the headquarters of their organization where they work, how they voted. elections. You probably live in the center, provincial or capital, you do not understand the problems of counties.
                  1. -1
                    25 September 2021 16: 39
                    Quote: parusnik
                    They voted as a candidate for the Motherland, and after being elected he moved to United Russia.

                    He did not come to them from Mars, and what kind of fruit is this, according to its moral qualities, the people should know, since they gave him votes. Well, the fact that he threw them so primitively, and confirms the stupidity of our people - Yeltsin was not enough for them, they still believe in the speech of all sorts of crooks, and give them votes. Is this a sign of sanity?
                    Quote: parusnik
                    We have no left forces, we have only boredom.

                    Well, then there is nothing to complain about - it means that it is more convenient for the people to live ...
                    Quote: parusnik
                    people take pictures of the ballot and send it to the headquarters of their organization where they work, how they voted.

                    It's ridiculous to listen to such excuses - I took a paper square with a cross or a checkmark, put it on the ballot, took a picture, and then crossed out the one who matches your choice. To do this, you need to be an academician to think of it? Even in remote villages they know how to turn off the electricity meter, but how to deceive the dastardly employers the mind is not enough ...
                    Quote: parusnik
                    You probably live in the center, provincial or metropolitan, you do not understand the problems of the counties.

                    Yes, I do not live in the district, but I know our people quite well - I grew up in its midst, and I know what tricks it goes to to deceive even traffic cameras ...
                    1. +1
                      25 September 2021 18: 10
                      Where have you been with your advice before? Come to us, explain to the people, organize a cell of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, awaken the people from hibernation and you will not get anything for it, you understand so well the people. smile
                      1. +2
                        25 September 2021 20: 23
                        Quote: parusnik
                        Where have you been with your advice before?

                        So they talked about it at the last elections - have they really forgotten it?
                        Quote: parusnik
                        Come to us, explain to the people, organize a CPRF cell,

                        I have long been retired and non-partisan, so you yourself somehow arrange your life, which was not like in our Russian history - "the master will come ..."
                        It's time to learn to live your mind - everyone will be better. And your people are unlikely to believe me, if they do not even believe Zyuganov, so you have more chances than me.
                      2. +1
                        26 September 2021 19: 00
                        - "the master will come ..."
                        smile At one time, the Central Committee of the RSDLP, sent to us a Bolshevik with experience from Rostov, organized an underground printing house, worked until 1917, and was never found. You say sir.
                        It's time to learn to live your mind - everyone will be better.
                        ... The people are learning, but you have all the people to blame.
        3. +6
          24 September 2021 07: 08
          Quote: Crowe
          You are apolitical, mister. Zyablitsev. This is not a civic position, this is the position of a contented opportunist who is completely and completely satisfied with everything that happens around him - corruption, theft, the withdrawal of stolen people's money from the cordon, the rise in tariffs and prices and other well-known "charms"
          Yes, an empty colleague, warrant officers only go to the polls in formation, they vote on command. In civilian life, they will not tear off touches from the sofa without a command; civil position for an ensign is something like a curse. laughing
          1. -13
            24 September 2021 08: 36
            Well, let it be an ensign, did you think to hurt me in this way? Not at all! But then I acted just like a free man with his own opinion, and not like a ram walking to the urns for the promised sweet carrot! Which is so for the ram and will remain only in the picture of the propaganda poster! laughing
            1. AUL
              -1
              24 September 2021 14: 50
              Quote: Finches
              But then I acted just like a free man with his own opinion,

              Do not flatter yourself! You acted like a gum in a stall!
              1. -4
                24 September 2021 14: 52
                Why is this so? Not a ruminant aristocrat on the loose, huh? laughing
              2. 0
                24 September 2021 18: 11
                No, he is one of those whom the authorities contemptuously call "people".
      2. +8
        24 September 2021 06: 19
        Go to the polls, don't go to the polls - you can't get away from politics! One did not go, the other ... so why are they needed if the result is known to everyone? Maybe because of such political passivity of EVERYONE, all this disgrace is happening
        1. -14
          24 September 2021 06: 59
          If everything suits me, why do I need your choices ??
          1. +7
            24 September 2021 07: 17
            I didn't go to the polls - I automatically voted for the winning party, which you don't like!
            1. -13
              24 September 2021 08: 05
              So I do not care about all the parties put together, they are all not to my liking laughing
            2. +2
              24 September 2021 08: 36
              Speak correctly, you need to come 74%
              1. +4
                24 September 2021 10: 02
                The arithmetic is simple: 50% came, of which 50% are also "for", as many as 25% of those who elect from the total number go for the "leader", but also 25% are against, and even more detailed. So where are those 50% who did not show up for the polls? Correctly, passively, without knowing it, they voted unanimously for the "leader" - here's 75% for you! That is why it is necessary to go to the polls and vote, so that later not to shout: "And so everything is clear!"
                1. +1
                  24 September 2021 14: 23
                  Quote: aleks neym_2
                  That is why it is necessary to go to the polls and vote, so that later not to shout: "And so everything is clear!"

                  sorry for those honest but naive people who tried to get into the State Duma, who were an election observer, who tried to vote (especially those who tried to vote “smartly”). All they got was the opportunity to participate in the legitimization of power. They either forgot or never knew a simple maxim: in order to achieve free elections, one does not need to participate in unfree elections. (C)
          2. -5
            24 September 2021 07: 27
            Quote: Finches
            Participation in pro-Western "democratic" elections is the same as supporting LGBT people!

            That was the case under the Union - one candidate appointed by the party and no problems whatsoever.

            Quote: Finches
            What can you change when you come to the polls - NOTHING!

            Of course yes. We choose which clan will rule us in the future.
            A clan that will be a puppet of the West or a clan that will be for Russia.

            ps
            "The state is a system for the survival, preservation and development of the people." More details:
            https://fct-altai.ru/files/2019/State.pdf

            Quote: Finches
            If everything suits me, why would you choose your choice?

            One day you will wake up and you will not be satisfied with what you have. those who go to the polls did not choose what you like.
            1. -17
              24 September 2021 08: 13
              I like the dictatorship, best of all is the military junta, but no one offers it to me!
              1. -4
                24 September 2021 08: 15
                Quote: Finches
                I like the dictatorship, best of all is the military junta, but no one offers it to me!

                Listen to Prilepin (the Socialist-Revolutionary Party is in third place. Mironov).
                In my opinion, he is your candidate.
                .
                1. -15
                  24 September 2021 08: 19
                  Yes, if only! - ordinary balabol! Military junta, this is serious and without unnecessary talk! Black colonels, this is the case!
                  1. -2
                    24 September 2021 08: 20
                    Quote: Finches
                    Yes, if only! - ordinary balabol!

                    Have you read Trotsky? That's where balabol is so balabol, I don't read the current one.
                    1. -9
                      24 September 2021 08: 22
                      I agree, today there are only petty politicians, no intelligence, no scope!
                  2. +7
                    24 September 2021 09: 13
                    Do not be overly enthusiastic about the dictatorship - especially the military one! Of course, with her, order will be brought up, but first they will spill a sea of ​​blood. And who knows - if your drops will not be in this bloody sea ...
                    1. -11
                      24 September 2021 09: 19
                      They are afraid of wolves, do not go to the forest laughing
                      1. +4
                        24 September 2021 10: 15
                        It’s so. But under a military junta, you may not get to the forest. On the way, they will knock you down. laughing
                      2. -8
                        24 September 2021 10: 21
                        It's okay, then this is fate! laughing
                      3. +3
                        24 September 2021 11: 38
                        So I realized that I was dealing with a fatalist. laughing And if so, the fatalist should be equally interested in whether there are elections. There are no elections. And on the results of these, he should put all the ammunition collected from all the services of the Joint Armed Forces. laughing
                      4. -6
                        24 September 2021 11: 39
                        You could say that!
                    2. 0
                      24 September 2021 13: 15
                      Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky
                      Do not be overly enthusiastic about the dictatorship - especially the military one! Of course, with her, order will be brought up, but first they will spill a sea of ​​blood. And who knows - if your drops will not be in this bloody sea ...

                      The point is not even blood, which may not exist if the people support them, but the fact that the military cannot govern the state - this is what I am telling you as a former professional military man, knowing this environment from the inside. And we have already gone through this - Rutskoi, Lebedev, Gromov and a number of others finished their entry into civil power in disgrace.
                      So "Caesar - Caesar", that's just "Caesars" we have been in power for the last thirty years, that's why we need elections with the participation of the entire population, up to mandatory voting.
                      1. +2
                        24 September 2021 13: 35
                        It is also a controversial issue. In history there were both Franco and Kemal Ata-Türk. It depends on what methods of government they were used. Speaking of the Caesars, Julius is Caesar, too. laughing But for our "Caesars" and "Caesars" I would rather not say anything. Those "sincere" words that I want to say to them, not every fence will withstand - it will immediately collapse.
              2. +7
                24 September 2021 08: 32
                This dictatorship is not enough for you, so give it a military one. smile
                1. -8
                  24 September 2021 09: 20
                  I'm a military man, order in the barracks is much closer to me than a mess of civil freedom!
            2. +1
              24 September 2021 14: 04
              Of course yes. We choose which clan will rule us in the future.

              No, this clan chooses how you will vote for it. On foot, by mail, on public services or on stumps.

              A clan that will be a puppet of the West or a clan that will be for Russia.

              And of course you again chose those who are for Russia. With a constitutional majority. Puppets of the West from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, the SR and the "New Puppets" who have joined them are content with badges, the presence and crumbs of state funding from the master's table.
        2. +4
          24 September 2021 08: 04
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          Go to the polls, do not go to the polls

          Vote, do not vote ... Alas, everything is correct. But by our failure to appear at the polling stations, we ourselves give the interested parties the opportunity to legitimize the throwing of extra votes into the piggy bank of our candidates. As those involved in the elections say, voter turnout is consistently low until the very end of the allotted period, and then suddenly in the last minutes it rises sharply. It is clear to whom the voices of those who did not appear go. But here an interesting point arises: if these orphaned votes are used by the party in power according to a worked-out scheme, then, logically, it should be interested in a low turnout. And why, then, from all the irons, those in power are broadcasting to us: "Go, go, go to the polls"? What's this? Relying on the fact that a Russian citizen will do exactly the opposite? What can I say, it works.
          1. +3
            24 September 2021 09: 46
            Quote: Polite Moose
            Quote: aleks neym_2
            Go to the polls, do not go to the polls

            Vote, do not vote ... Alas, everything is correct. But by our failure to appear at the polling stations, we ourselves give the interested parties the opportunity to legitimize the throwing of extra votes into the piggy bank of our candidates. As those involved in the elections say, voter turnout is consistently low until the very end of the allotted period, and then suddenly in the last minutes it rises sharply. It is clear to whom the voices of those who did not appear go. But here an interesting point arises: if these orphaned votes are used by the party in power according to a worked-out scheme, then, logically, it should be interested in a low turnout. And why, then, from all the irons, those in power are broadcasting to us: "Go, go, go to the polls"? What's this? Relying on the fact that a Russian citizen will do exactly the opposite? What can I say, it works.

            But what about the 146% of the citizens who voted? The minimum turnout was canceled to prevent boycotting the elections. The most popular candidate Against all was canceled, otherwise 450 namesakes against all would sit in the State Duma. The elections in the United States and the referendum in Scotland have shown the proponents of democracy around the world that democracy is just a farce for transferring power to the right people.
            Two eternal Russian questions immediately come to mind: Who is to blame? And what to do?
            1. 0
              24 September 2021 11: 52
              referendum in Scotland showed proponents of democracy around the world
              Why are you not satisfied with the referendum in Scotland?
      3. +2
        24 September 2021 13: 05
        Eugene, hello! hi
        But in the Yaroslavl Region, people went to the polls, and “United Russia” lost. ”The result is one of the worst in the country.
        https://76.ru/text/politics/2021/09/20/70146980/ Говорят, это поставит крест на карьере нынешнего губернатора Миронова из плеяды охранников самого. Подумайте: у вас эти люди были обрадованы вашей ""гражданской" позицией.
        1. -2
          24 September 2021 13: 34
          Andrew! hi Although I'm mostly joking here, to be honest, the EP hasn't done anything bad to me, but neither has the Communist Party done anything good, but it hasn't done anything bad either! Vote for the Liberal Democratic Party? I don’t know ... As a conclusion, I don’t want to vote for either the United Russia Party or the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, etc. Not because I am a khataskraynik or apolitical, I just do not see any difference between our parties! You will compare their programs, it seems that they were written by the same person, and some parties, such as "New People", do not have any intelligible program at all! I don’t like much, what is happening in the country, but I don’t believe that heaven on earth will come right away if we change Putin to Zyuganov, and the United Russia party to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and, apparently, very few people in Russia believe in this! Crowds will bypass me here, but tell me please, why should I go and vote for a political force that I don't like? Me that the EP, that the Communist Party, everything is one, you know! Nobody here so clearly explained to me why I should go to the polls with such a civic position! Therefore, a dictatorship is needed, as practice shows, after a dictatorship, society (those who are lucky enough to stay alive laughing ) is growing up a little, including the political culture!
          1. +2
            24 September 2021 13: 56
            Evgeny, of course, you have every right to act according to your convictions, and if your convictions are what you call them - your right to do so. Well, with their assessments, readers express their rejection and protest to you. It's unpleasant, of course, but all of us here from time to time fall into rejection of our opinion.
            Regarding the dictatorship ... They say rightly that power corrupts, and absolute power (as an example of a dictatorship) corrupts absolutely. But it is not only the power that is corrupted, the people are corrupted as well. He becomes a herd and cattle. The manifestation of bestiality can be expressed in indifference to one's future, or maybe in the form of going crazy and turning egoists into mass murderers. Therefore, those who say that our people are not ready for something (for democracy, for local self-government, for a different state structure, for allowing self-defense and short-barreled weapons is not important) - these people are actually dreaming and already recorded people as cattle and, which cannot figure it out on its own, is not capable of acting in the legal field, to acting to protect the law and its rights. That is why a dictatorship cannot be acceptable with one single exception.
            The exception is the sanitation of the state - clearing it of the crap that has hammered it down, like thieves and lovers of power for the sake of power nowadays. If the dictatorship realizes its temporality, gives the nation and the country normal laws for its progressive healthy development without layers of economic parasites and corruption, and laws for the easy change of RESPONSIBLE power, it will be a blessing.
            See how we do: everything is clear and can even be formulated and clothed in bills with a clear concrete essence, but not possible.
    2. +4
      24 September 2021 06: 53
      ... An old song: falsifications, manipulations, illegitimate elections ... Everything is so familiar

      Yes, everything was legitimate! Voted in different ways!
      Take Dagestan, for example:

      in the Dagestan village of Aksai, 98% of the votes were cast by the Green Party and 0% by the United Russia party

      Immediately 1617 people sounded for the Greens in a small village. What do you think there were manipulations by the authorities there? It doesn't look like our authorities will honor the Greens !!
      You just need to note that

      At the same time, in all other PECs in the Khasavyurt district of Dagestan, the parties gave more than 80% of the votes. In total, in this area, "United Russia", according to official data, gained 82,8% of the vote, while the "Green" party gained only 1,8%.
      1. +5
        24 September 2021 10: 10
        They argue about going to the polls, not going to the polls. But all of a sudden everyone forgot about electronic voting. As it was after the calculation of the results of the e-voting, edro sidno rose.
        1. -5
          24 September 2021 10: 23
          The Churov virus developed by the Kremlin hackers was introduced into the electronic voting system laughing
    3. 0
      24 September 2021 14: 17
      Quote: Aurel
      The Russian peasant is violent and should be kept strictly.

      For which the female genital organ and received! laughing
  2. +7
    24 September 2021 05: 57
    this is our personal internal affair.
    I agree, I don’t like it when my country and even its power (no matter how I feel about it, this power) is somewhere out there discussing someone.
    I drank all night with the Russians. All night they poisoned jokes about Russia and neighing loudly. All night they convinced me that Russia is a country of bad roads and fools. In the morning, when I agreed with their opinion, they filled my face.
  3. +6
    24 September 2021 05: 59
    And here is such a nuance, which is worse: a democratic sublime pogrom or a quiet and peaceful planting and gagging of the dissatisfied?

    There will be presidential elections ... The outcome of the elections today is not at all interesting to everyone who understands ... it will be funny.

    Not funny, but sad and sickening about what is happening ...
    1. +14
      24 September 2021 06: 17
      Anyone who missed the inauguration ceremony of Russian President Vladimir Putin, don't be discouraged. Take a look next time.
      1. -13
        24 September 2021 06: 22
        The best option in today's situation is not an inauguration, but an anointing to the kingdom or, more modernly, the announcement of a dictatorship! How much money can be saved for the country in all sorts of stupid elections and unnecessary ceremonies!
        1. +9
          24 September 2021 06: 32
          Earthly autocracy would also be the best form of government if the autocrat were the best man on earth and if his life continued forever. But since even the most perfect man on earth must die and leave his power to a far less perfect successor, earthly autocracy is not only a bad form of government, but even the worst possible one.
          Mark Twain
          1. -4
            24 September 2021 06: 35
            This is also true and applicable to all forms of government! That democratically, supposedly, the elected president, that the secretary general - the next one is always worse!
          2. +5
            24 September 2021 07: 20
            But my article aroused ambivalent feelings:
            Beginning as a friendly pat on the shoulder: Tired ... Didn't go ... Shame ...
            Well, except maybe all this fuss with "foreign agents" is ridiculous
            I have a distant friend who has financial flows associated with foreign countries, so he is not funny. They can sculpt an "inagent" (just like that, someone won't like it) and the business will go to hell.
            But then the main part of the article begins, which can be described in a nutshell:
            "For that they hang blacks"!
            And what happens? Article an excuse? Or an article "a pack of yeast in the outhouse"?
            1. +2
              24 September 2021 09: 21
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              I have a distant friend who has financial flows associated with foreign countries, so he is not funny. They can sculpt an "inagent" (just like that, someone won't like it) and the business will go to hell.

              If he doesn't get into politics, then no one will slap him anything. And if it does, then excuse me, there is funding from abroad, then the most that neither is a foreign agent.
              1. +1
                24 September 2021 10: 39
                Does a transfer from a citizen of the Russian Federation, for example, working abroad, also make the recipient a foreign agent? It's very convenient - one transfer even from Kazakhstan and that's it, the opponent was eliminated. Or inconvenient publicists funded by donations have practically stopped working, etc.
                1. -1
                  24 September 2021 15: 40
                  Quote: unaha
                  Does a transfer from a citizen of the Russian Federation, for example, working abroad, also make the recipient a foreign agent?

                  It does, because it is impossible to check where a citizen of the Russian Federation abroad received this money. Once again, either business or politics. the law is harsh, but it is the law.
                  1. -4
                    24 September 2021 17: 09
                    What does business have to do with it? Do not confuse government officials and public figures. Social and political activities can be carried out by anyone (well, at least in theory, the law does not prohibit ... yeah, like single pickets). The fact that the authorities define any criticism as "hostile" actions and try to discredit people who are real opposition only confirms the country's future problems.
                    1. +1
                      26 September 2021 08: 58
                      Quote: unaha
                      Social and political activities can be carried out by anyone (well, at least theoretically, the law does not prohibit ... yeah, like single pickets).

                      Maybe only if for foreign money, then it should be called appropriately so that citizens can immediately see who is eating a given figure. The question was not about any criticism, but about financing from abroad, here the question is unambiguous - the authorities did what they should have done 30 years ago (this is about foreign agents).
                      1. -2
                        26 September 2021 18: 09
                        Do you know, or at least can you imagine, Russian citizens or companies financing the opposition? )) And how long in reality will they be able to do this? Let us recall those who supported the FBK and to whom, after the fact, were at least visits by the "siloviks" followed?
                        Those. we come to the conclusion that socio-political (and generally public - remember the funds that collect money for sick children or environmental protection) activities that do not support and do not function under state structures is generally impossible.
                      2. +1
                        27 September 2021 08: 40
                        Quote: unaha
                        .e. we come to the conclusion that socio-political (and in general public - remember the funds that collect money for sick children or environmental protection) activities that do not support and do not function under state structures is generally impossible.

                        We come to the conclusion that activities funded from abroad cannot benefit the country. And I don't care who will finance whom, but everyone has the right to know who supports this or that politician and / or party.
                      3. -2
                        27 September 2021 14: 11
                        "everyone has the right to know who maintains this or that politician and (or) party"
                        Of course.
                        But the law blames ANY income at all, for example, transfers under any contracts from abroad (for example, expert fees), transfers through banks, and other transfer systems (even from a friend from abroad as a birthday present), transfers to mobile phones from abroad, etc. Excluding the volume of receipts.
                        That perfectly allows "legally" but completely immoral to arrange "repressions" for any unwanted people and organizations.
                      4. +1
                        27 September 2021 14: 17
                        Quote: unaha
                        from only the law blames ANY receipts at all, for example transfers under any agreements from abroad

                        He doesn't charge anything. The only thing he requires is that if there is funding from abroad, when presenting, add a foreign agent to its name, which in fact this entity is. If this condition is met, then no reprisals or restrictive measures are envisaged.
                      5. -2
                        27 September 2021 15: 36
                        "The only thing he demands" is by no means.
                        Any text published on the site (on the relevant topic) is political activity. Any translation from abroad (performed by a "proper" employee) is already a foreign agent.
                        And this is additional reporting and audit, any omission is punishable by large fines, and they are imposed many times. And citizens must create a legal entity that will report as a foreign agent.
                        Thus, you can force any person to stop social activities.
                      6. +1
                        28 September 2021 09: 13
                        Quote: unaha
                        Thus, you can force any person to stop social activities.

                        Thus, far from everyone, namely those who are paid salaries from abroad, are forced to observe the law very strictly and not to use gray schemes in their activities. On the good, exactingness is needed for everyone, but, as they say, the domestic manufacturer has a discount.
        2. +3
          24 September 2021 14: 13
          Quote: Finches
          The best option in today's situation is not an inauguration, but an anointing to the kingdom or, more modernly, the announcement of a dictatorship!

          With the passing introduction of serfdom. This is for the ordnung in the field. Only mind you, you are not a landowner, but a slave. How do you like this dictatorship?
          1. -4
            24 September 2021 14: 30
            Well, then, such a fate ... However, I am a senior officer, so to speak, a gold-driven bastard laughing
            1. 0
              24 September 2021 14: 54
              Quote: Finches
              However, I am a senior officer,

              Then we are a lackey at the entrance. laughing
              1. 0
                24 September 2021 14: 57
                There won't be much use for me, and there will be lackeys! And you see yourself with all the authorities do not see less than the prince? laughing And so I'm not writing about the monarchy of the 17th century, but about a normal modern dictatorship!
      2. +4
        24 September 2021 06: 26
        all the same, there is not much hope that we will not see again
        1. -15
          24 September 2021 06: 40
          Do you have worthy candidates?
          1. +14
            24 September 2021 07: 07
            Whoever is the sineon, without him the earth will cease to give birth and will hit the earth's axis, as if I say to you.
            1. -12
              24 September 2021 07: 14
              This is all demagoguery, what can you say specifically? If I am personally satisfied with the GDP, why should I change it?
          2. +4
            24 September 2021 10: 59
            Quote: Finches
            Do you have worthy candidates?

            Here, first you need to decide on the criteria for "worthiness". I am sure that with you these criteria will be very different.
            1. -9
              24 September 2021 11: 02
              The fact of the matter is that you can't please everyone, and under a dictatorship, nobody cares about it!
              1. +4
                24 September 2021 12: 09
                One trouble - the dictator may of course be Park Chung Hee or Lee Kuan Yew, but it is much more likely that it will be Bokassa, Idi Amin and the like.
                1. -4
                  24 September 2021 14: 58
                  Our mentality and upbringing are not the same! Pinochet, closer!
                  1. -3
                    24 September 2021 16: 42
                    As for me, Saparmurat "Turkmenbashi" and other Central Asian "figures" are already much closer to us.
          3. +3
            24 September 2021 12: 05
            Quote: Finches
            Do you have worthy candidates?

            And this is Eugene, you ask the authorities where the real alternative is and why it is not in Russia. As for the balagan with elections, I fully support your position, especially the three-day electronic voting touches. Why participate in this circus and thereby humiliate your dignity.
            1. -9
              24 September 2021 12: 14
              That's why she and the power to get rid of competitors!
      3. +2
        24 September 2021 08: 08
        Quote: Crowe
        Anyone who missed the inauguration ceremony of Russian President Vladimir Putin, don't be discouraged. Take a look next time.

        The next time it is better to skip, the second time, as with Grudinin, they will not pierce. Donkeys in the race will be from only one stable and in front of course is a horse, hemmed, pinned, painted with white paint. That he will be or already another 2.0 -without a difference, it will go along the old road. Only a boycott seems reasonable to me.
        1. -5
          24 September 2021 08: 40
          Dear, you, a little higher up there, called me an ensign who, without a command and formation, does nothing, but here you propose to boycott the elections! What is your position not consistently! You either take off your panties or odente a cross! laughing
          1. +3
            24 September 2021 08: 58
            Well, I'm so different from you that I go and do not go to the polls, I myself decide according to the circumstances, laughing At these Duma elections, I went to kick the edro in revenge to get at least a little pleasure and not at all for some kind of carrot. But in the next elections there will be nothing to kick (donkeys in the race will only come from one stable), so I don't see any reason to go .. or rather, a boycott will be a kick .. Well, it's all difficult for ensigns, right ?. tongue laughing
            1. -13
              24 September 2021 09: 07
              And you turn out to be sly! And I am principled, on principle I do not go to the polls! However, in the presidential elections, I can deviate from the principle and go to vote for the GDP in order to kick people like you laughing
              1. +4
                24 September 2021 10: 09
                Zyablitsev, you will get tired of kicking, this time half of the population did not come to the elections, and after such elections, at least another 20% will be added to them. Well, minus 1 of the most important). wassat So it’s only possible to lick and not kick us. tongue laughing
                1. -9
                  24 September 2021 10: 17
                  Pilot, you are more careful when cornering, less rudeness, my dear! I just noticed one thing, as a fighter with a "bloody" regime, so complete hamlo ... Thank God that not everything, otherwise the VO would have turned into a trash heap!
                  And on business - we traditionally go to the elections less than 50%, so this is not an indicator! But the fact remains, even if we take into account that the United Russia Party clocked itself 30%, it still got more votes than the Communist Party - one zip from your , opponents of power, nonsense! But I did not choose EP, nor did I go to the "last and decisive" battle!
                  1. 0
                    24 September 2021 16: 08
                    Quote: Finches
                    But the fact remains, even if we take into account that the United Russia has clocked itself 30%, it still won more votes than the Communist Party - one zilch from your opponents of the government, balabolism!

                    Well, actually, from a mathematical point of view, your thesis is wrong!
                    The law of conservation of matter, sir!
                    "All changes occurring in nature occur in such a way that if something is added to something, it is taken away from something else." M. Lomonosov.
                    So, if the United Russia added 30% to itself, then the same 30% were taken away from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation feel No "jabbering", pure science! hi
                    1. -3
                      24 September 2021 16: 38
                      No not like this! Here the law of conservation of energy does not work - if it was thrown in for EP, then only for EP and thrown in!
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2021 17: 47
                        Quote: Finches
                        No not like this! The law of conservation of energy does not work here.

                        Sorry, but you are mistaken - the law of conservation of matter is a fundamental law of nature and works objectively and in all environments! laughing
                        And then there is pure arithmetic. The total number of ballots counted is 100% (they, a priori, cannot become either 110% or 130% after the injection.
                        There will still be 100% of them). Accordingly, after the injection, the percentage of the United Russia will increase in these 100%, and the share of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will automatically decrease. Arithmetic, grade 5. And the Law of Conservation of Matter - in Action hi
                      2. -3
                        24 September 2021 18: 00
                        Yes, I do not care what they are, what others ... And in the varieties of this very, I do not understand! laughing
                      3. -3
                        24 September 2021 19: 21
                        Quote: Finches
                        No not like this! Here the law of conservation of energy does not work - if it was thrown in for EP, then only for EP and thrown in!

                        With a mandatory universal suffrage, this could not have happened. So it is necessary to seek legislative approval of this procedure, but the ruling power will not allow this. And they will only rejoice for your non-participation in the elections - you helped them to stay in power, and this is obvious. It is strange that you, as a former senior officer, do not understand this. Let me remind you that even at party conferences in the SA, all elected delegates were required to vote in secret, and this sometimes produced undesirable results for the command. I admit that there might be something wrong, but everyone knew who got the most "against", and this immediately became known not only to the conference participants, but also to senior officials.
                      4. -4
                        24 September 2021 19: 23
                        There are no former senior officers, this is the first thing. And second, how can you personally and everyone else, convey the simple idea that I don't care who will win this clownery ???????
                      5. -2
                        24 September 2021 19: 47
                        Quote: Finches
                        There are no former senior officers, this is the first thing.

                        Is Skripal an example of this?
                        Quote: Finches
                        what do I care about who will win this clownery ???????

                        Once on a drum, then do not try to impose on others the idea that not going to the polls is so patriotic for senior officers ...
                      6. -2
                        24 September 2021 19: 51
                        Skripal is a traitor of the motherland, a deserted title by the decision of the tribunal and in general a creature outside the law, this time. Second, where and to whom I impose something, I expressed my idea that going to elections organized according to the patterns of liberal Western democracy is tantamount to supporting LGBT people, you don't like it, and God bless him! What is it to me?
                      7. -4
                        24 September 2021 20: 14
                        Quote: Finches
                        Second, where and to whom I impose something, I expressed my thought,

                        It would be better if you did not mention your rank in this case - at least not all senior officers here point to their past, especially when they try to argue their position regarding civil liberties.
                      8. -1
                        24 September 2021 20: 16
                        I can't understand what your complaint is against me?
                      9. -3
                        24 September 2021 20: 23
                        Quote: Finches
                        I can't understand what your complaint is against me?

                        The fact that your rash statements, some people will consider a civil position and other officers. And what are you guided there, by and large it makes no difference to me.
                      10. -1
                        24 September 2021 20: 30
                        Don't you think that you have written nonsense now? hi
        2. +4
          24 September 2021 09: 23
          Quote: Pilot
          The next time it is better to skip, the second time, as with Grudinin, they will not pierce.

          Yes, no one with him pierced. These are elective technologies. They put forward the type of opposition candidate, but for whom there is a sin. And as soon as he gets out more than he should be, then immediately on the brakes. And in the next elections there will be something like that.
  4. +1
    24 September 2021 06: 21
    And the Europeans peep through the keyhole, how is it wrong with us.
    And we peep through the keyhole, how is it wrong with them. In our town and district, there are branches of three parties of the United Russia Party, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and pensioners.My acquaintance, works in the city administration, a clerk, a member of the United Russia, did not enter for ideological reasons, at the suggestion of his superiors, was an observer at one of the city polling stations, was locked to hell on the kulichi, where they don't know him by sight. The most curious thing was that he was not an observer from the EP, but .... from the SR. He says after the elections, he did not know that we have such a wide range of political parties in our city. Observers, employees of the MKU, were observers from numerous parties in Russia, real observers, he was a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, all three days he was hanging around and an observer from the party of pensioners came a couple of times. As a result, their fair elections in the West are no different from our fair elections. laughing
  5. +1
    24 September 2021 06: 32
    Well ....
    After the American show, it is clear that democracy is noodle for simpletons.
    And thank God that we have it as it is now. For most of us remember how it happens differently.
    And what about opportunists - so man differs from mammoths and dinosaurs in that man has adapted, and they became extinct.
    The hero goes to the barricades and dies beautifully, and the opportunist goes home, has a delicious supper, lays down under the barrels to his wife and ... leaves offspring.
    As a result, "who is more valuable to the mother of history?"
  6. +1
    24 September 2021 06: 45
    Some are indignant, others are offended by the election results. Is it worth it. Capitalism is predatory in nature. After all, we do not take offense at lions, tigers, leopards. We just drew ourselves a cute picture of capitalism. Such capitalism has never existed in Russia. But there has always been a presence of foreigners near our capital. While politicians are dividing seats in the Duma, we will see new bourgeois trends in the future. Or does someone think that they were not involved in this process?
    1. 0
      24 September 2021 08: 08
      Quote: nikvic46
      While politicians are dividing seats in the Duma, we will see new bourgeois trends in the future.

      We divide seats in the Duma by voting in elections, electing a representative of one or another bourgeois clan (candidate for deputy). Whoever gets more of our votes, the clan will rule.

      By the way. United Russia was formed on December 1, 2001 in the form of a union of the Unity movement (Putin), the Fatherland - All Russia (Shaimiev) and Our Home - Russia (Chernomyrdin) electoral blocs.
      1. +2
        24 September 2021 11: 40
        Boris. You put it all right. Most people vote for the names. And also for cute faces on TV screens and monitors. If you listen to the communists, you hear their ambiguous attitude towards materialism and friendship of peoples. That is, socialism remains a zilch. However, there is a social bar. But it is already clear that the bourgeois is ready to feed and put on shoes, if only you were quieter than water, below the grass. When there were contradictions between the two systems, the world moved forward. And now everything is turning into a swamp. The predators already lack game. And they are ready to squabble among themselves.
  7. +4
    24 September 2021 06: 46
    Dead souls took part in the elections.
    At my site there was such an incident: my grandfather saw in the journal a completed column of his dead wife. But his mouth was quickly closed.
    1. -8
      24 September 2021 07: 06
      "Mr. Fix's Tricks!" Mr. Fix's Tricks! " - shouted Passepartout, breaking free from the hands of the riot police laughing
      1. +6
        24 September 2021 07: 09
        Yes, big top, not elections.
        Now that edro will take up their voters. laughing
        1. -9
          24 September 2021 07: 12
          Let it be taken - I'm not hot and not cold! laughing
  8. 0
    24 September 2021 06: 50
    what does Europe care about the mess that's going on in Russia?

    And what does it matter to us that "there" "write" ?? ... They are bored, therefore there is "business". laughing
    You can simply not read and not react politically.
    1. +3
      24 September 2021 08: 10
      In the era of the USSR, the West also shouted that there was no democracy in the country ... but they turned a deaf ear, and all or exposed their democracy in the newspaper Pravda, and rightly so. smile
  9. +3
    24 September 2021 08: 07
    It's a shame, of course. We are our own, bourgeois, and the Western bourgeois blame us for not having democracy, although we must admit that our democracy, in some places, is even better than the Western one, and they are just jealous and get excited about it, God knows what. smile
  10. +3
    24 September 2021 08: 42
    At the very beginning of the article, I supported the author that it was useless to go to the polls with a predictable result, though it infuriates us to the point of a white rolling, our statements were held by the authorities, about the people who made my choice myself, I went to this clowning with one goal, to pick up regular ballots and hang on a hook in toilet (there are already 10) Why.? And I understand that I am in the elections as an extra, but with a clear conscience I can declare that I am in this vacancy, what is happening with us, did not take part with my voice And what about the reaction of the West. ? She is predictable. They understand that this clowning is just a prelude to the main event, the influence of the king on the throne for life. But this is already beyond their understanding.
    1. +5
      24 September 2021 08: 48
      Those who are for United Russia and, in general, for Yeltsin-Putin's power, like Zyablitsev, naturally have no need to go to the polls. The authorities will draw the EP as a "nationwide victory" anyway, and those who are not for the EP have to go to the polls, otherwise there will be only one EP in the State Duma.
      1. +2
        24 September 2021 08: 50
        Even if I go and vote for any other party, the EP will still be in the Duma. Alas, these are the realities
      2. -6
        24 September 2021 11: 08
        I am not for the Yeltsin-Putin power, as you put it, but for the dictatorship! But since no one can offer a dictatorship, I don't see the point of changing the awl for soap! I am not as naive as you or the classics of Marxism-Leninism have read more ... Once again, I repeat, whoever came to power under capitalism: red, white, gray-brown-green-crimson ... NOTHING WILL CHANGE!
        1. +2
          24 September 2021 11: 13
          I wonder ... What are you looking for here. Well, trivial questions. In general, fresh blood will not hurt us.
        2. +2
          24 September 2021 12: 59
          Quote: Finches
          I repeat once again, whoever comes to power under capitalism: red, white, gray-brown-green-crimson ... NOTHING CHANGES!

          Please tell me, how do you think it happened that a hundred years ago, a working day everywhere lasted 16 hours, and now 8? That a hundred years ago a schisti-year-old worker didn’t take anyone away, and now he’s a sixteen-year-old worker. What about vacations, social insurance, medical care and have never heard of it, but now this is the norm? Did the dictators introduce all this?
          1. -2
            24 September 2021 13: 01
            Many social achievements in the world happened thanks to the October Revolution in Russia, when the capitalist realized that there was no need to go too far! No stupid choices!
            1. +2
              24 September 2021 13: 22
              It began in the same England and before October 17. Some capitalists understood, others did not. There is no main capital, who said everything, from tomorrow 8 hour working day. And laws on limited working hours were passed by parliamentarians from different countries. And promises of shorter working hours and other social naughty things were part of their campaign. And I am sure that you will not deny that over the past hundred years, people's lives have improved. And for some reason, by some strange coincidence, it has improved the most in democracies.
              What are you, bolshiviks? They, too, were in favor of elective democracy.
              Well, for one thing, you forget about the main purpose of the elections. This is to ensure the so-called legitimacy. Elections provide legitimacy. If there are no elections, you have to ensure this legitimacy by other methods, above all by force. And this is much more expensive and less effective. Hence the world tendency to reduce the number of any dictatorships with autocracies and the growth of democracies. Dictatorships are stupidly less effective.
              1. -1
                24 September 2021 15: 00
                Play democracy, I personally do not mind! So in a democracy - I want to go to the polls, I don’t want to, I don’t go - my right! So what are the complaints against me?
                1. 0
                  24 September 2021 21: 16
                  What are the claims? To walk or not is your business. I am purely debating.
                  What do they say there? Practice the criterion of truth? So practice contradicts your statement
                  I repeat once again, whoever comes to power under capitalism: red, white, gray-brown-green-crimson ... NOTHING WILL CHANGE!

                  false.
                  Quote: Finches
                  Play democracy, I personally do not mind!

                  The beauty of these games is that over time they cease to be games.
                  1. 0
                    24 September 2021 21: 18
                    False, this is your judgment, but for me it is not true!
                    1. 0
                      24 September 2021 21: 25
                      You cannot substantiate, then yours is false.
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2021 21: 32
                        I did not notice what you justified ... But, in principle, I do not care, I commanded a platoon, a company, a battalion, two separate military units ... I joined the VO in 2014 under a drunken shop and got carried away. Now, since I was still in charge of the department, I make a snapshot of public opinion on a separate site .. Maybe I'll write a doctoral dissertation if I don't get drunk! laughing
                      2. +1
                        27 September 2021 00: 09
                        No need to get drunk.
                        What is the connection between your career and the question of which is more effective, democracy or dictatorship, is not very clear. It seems to me that you are just trolling everyone, a sane person cannot dream of a dictatorship.
  11. -4
    24 September 2021 08: 50
    Quote: Finches
    Democracy is bullshit! Divorce for suckers! And I see people with my views - not to go to the polls, more and more on the VO. And this is the correct civic position! Participation in pro-Western "democratic" elections is the same as supporting LGBT people! laughing


    Solidarity! I have never understood this "democracy" as a whole. What is this in essence? The majority - most of them ignoramuses and Trojans - choose how to live for the whole country and society? And just do not say that in the majority - reasonable, well-mannered, smart, decent, intelligent, educated people. NOOOO !!!! Since the first grade of school, nature has been designed in such a way that the majority are Trojans. Incidentally, just over 50% of the population came to the polls. That is, half of the people in the Russian Federation expressed a clear rejection of the institutions of democracy in general. In other words, half of the people - DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS BLAST AND against EVERYONE! And everyone who mantras for "democracy", let them answer the question: why is the main priest never and nowhere elected in any religion? As ????? I will say: the church did not believe and does not believe its flock. And rightly so !!!! For one you choose ...
    1. +2
      24 September 2021 09: 25
      Are you 50% sure.? I had the pleasure (very dubious) to be present at the polling station for 2 days and speak with good reason.On the first day, about 400 hundred came, the number of people in the second is even smaller And the electorate is clearly not a united Russia But I am more than sure that they wrote% 40 payroll And what about democracy? Let me disagree with you That squalor, which we call democracy, then, of course, in figs But under our concept of selling democracy we slip, or we already have an authoritarian regime, and this is a completely different matter
    2. +1
      24 September 2021 16: 48
      Quote: seld
      And everyone who mantras for "democracy", let them answer the question: why is the main priest never and nowhere elected in any religion? As ?????.

      Your thesis is wrong, and, therefore, the conclusion is also wrong.
      They choose the Orthodox Patriarch quite normally. There are ballot papers and ballot boxes, and the counting commission wink
      The Catholic Pope has also been elected for centuries. hi
  12. -4
    24 September 2021 09: 17
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    It's a shame, of course. We are our own, bourgeois, and the Western bourgeois blame us for not having democracy, although we must admit that our democracy, in some places, is even better than the Western one, and they are just jealous and get excited about it, God knows what. smile


    If we were to play democracy honestly, if everything were really so serious and important, then we would NEVER ALLOW "grandparents" with mental deviations due to their age (this is normal, I myself will be so soon !!!) to take part in the organization of the country. The formula of democracy does NOT work in all calculation systems! If someone wants to object, is he ready to be treated and go to the operating table under the knife of the surgeon who was elected by voting? Is such a Democrat ready to ride an airplane that is operated by elected pilots? But this was ... Forgotten? Remember the 90s ...
    And by the way, the level of responsibility of the deputies will be higher than that of the doctor ... Dadadadad ...
    If you do everything in an adult way and vote, then admission to the ballot boxes should be only for the age from 25 to 75 years old, only for those with higher education. All the rest - also come, but your opinion will be taken into account for statistics and in the saaaaaaaaaaaaaa, the last place, if suddenly the parties gain equal points on goals scored.
    An ignoramus and / or mentally disadvantaged citizen cannot take part in governing the country. But if this is allowed, then there is no need to insult the results. Alternatively, gifted voters elect so that little will seem to anyone, including the "gifted" themselves.
    1. +3
      24 September 2021 09: 43
      And you explain this age limit, which you have established, to our future king
    2. +4
      24 September 2021 14: 50
      Quote: seld
      only for those with higher education.

      laughing laughing laughing Russia has come a long historical path: from academicians Landau and Ginzburg to academicians Kadyrov and Dzhabrailov. (joke)
  13. +5
    24 September 2021 09: 35
    Probably, it is worth starting with the fact that honestly admit that I ignored the elections.

    Well, this should be the end.
    1. -1
      24 September 2021 13: 26
      Quote: NOTaFED
      Well, this should be the end.

      I agree with you, because it is hardly worth waiting for changes in the country if there are more than 50% of them.
      I think that the most important criterion for democracy in our country will be the adoption of a law obliging all citizens to vote under the threat of fines or punishment related to community service.
      But this will never happen, because the position "my house is on the edge, I will not go to the polls" is very convenient for the current government, and no one will accept such a law. They are not stupid and understand everything, unlike our voters, who do not even want to tear their ass off the couch and spend their half an hour on the elections. But to sob behind the monitor, how badly everything is arranged with us, they know how - this cannot be taken away from them ...
  14. +4
    24 September 2021 10: 45
    Judging by the article, there are only 2 "democratic" countries in the world - Ukraine and the United States. Is it inconvenient to analyze and compare with Switzerland, the Scandinavian countries, Canada, Australia and others in relation to anything, from a democratic and liberal political system and economy, to arms legislation and its consequences?
    But there are quite the same "terrible and antihuman" in all respects - capitalism with liberalism ... But they manage somehow.
  15. AML
    +3
    24 September 2021 11: 06
    Quote: Aurel
    Society is not ripe for democracy

    You first figure out what democracy is and then argue whether it is ripe or not.
    Initially, democracy divides people into those who can and who cannot. But from those who can and choose.
    Don't believe me? Open the history textbook.
  16. +7
    24 September 2021 11: 31
    Well, what do I care about the reaction of the Western elite, it has its own interests. After all, it is clear that the EP won only using the dirtiest tricks. And for her this means only one degradation, both for the autocracy and for the USSR. When black is passed off as white, degradation begins.
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    1. +2
      24 September 2021 14: 32
      Quote: pomor23
      It is high time for us to learn to spit on the reaction of all this world rag-tag.

      Personally, you can do this regularly and without fear. The same cannot be said about those who have power and, accordingly, money. They listen, if not to the whole riffraff, then to the big ones. Hence the circus with horses, for some reason called elections. However, "they" have the same. These are the rules of the game.
  18. AB
    +1
    24 September 2021 14: 01
    Sobol, Yashin, Grudinin - well, the Kremlin is very afraid of those results

    Author, are you serious? None of them will ever get more than 0,01% in the elections. Of course, such a result will scare the Kremlin very much.
    It's time for Roma to decide who you are. Yesterday, in an article about weapons, he drowned in favor of Khinshtein with the EP and concluded that the people are not the same and the country is not the same, but today you are offended for the state. The article is so-so, there are a lot of letters, analysis of the situation is zero. And what to expect from a person who did not even go to the polls, given that it was possible to vote via the Internet. On the other hand, the author can honestly shout that he did not vote for this Duma and can now spit on all decisions of the Duma and the Government from above. Only this does not happen. Did not vote, anyway, be so kind as to submit to the decision of the majority. I did not vote for the top five that passed to the Duma.
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  20. +2
    24 September 2021 16: 03
    It's bad that our government does not see the edges ...
    Well, at least from self-preservation.
    Greed should not be the dominant feeling in a sane society. Even among the mindless fish, the most greedy are hooked on the hook, and then on the frying pan. And the Wise Gudgeon sadly looks after them, as they suddenly soar somewhere into the sky, to the sun ... Career was a success ...
    This is important, but what all sorts of barrels think in the pasture, and so we don’t even need to publish, just as we don’t need them themselves.
  21. +2
    24 September 2021 16: 08
    I do not see anything democratic in admission to the elections, characters preparing a coup with the open support of the West, which Navalny took away from the German Chancellor's private plane, a vivid example of this. Well, let alone the activities of these Yashins and Sobol, who tried to take children out into the street and put them on meat for a bloody picture. For this, in a normal state, they are impaled or hanged, and not limited to the exclusion of elections.
    1. -2
      24 September 2021 18: 46
      They were never allowed to participate in the elections. Filmed for one reason or another.
      It was funny about children, thanks).
  22. +1
    24 September 2021 17: 04
    Quote: falcon
    Quote: seld
    And everyone who mantras for "democracy", let them answer the question: why is the main priest never and nowhere elected in any religion? As ?????.

    Your thesis is wrong, and, therefore, the conclusion is also wrong.
    They choose the Orthodox Patriarch quite normally. There are ballot papers and ballot boxes, and the counting commission wink
    The Catholic Pope has also been elected for centuries. hi


    BY WHOM are elected?!?!?!? !!! A handful of confidants !!!!! Equal. Equals choose among themselves !!!! The flock - the flock - does not participate !!!!!!!!! Read carefully written !!!!
  23. +1
    24 September 2021 17: 08
    Quote: falcon
    Quote: seld
    And everyone who mantras for "democracy", let them answer the question: why is the main priest never and nowhere elected in any religion? As ?????.

    Your thesis is wrong, and, therefore, the conclusion is also wrong.
    They choose the Orthodox Patriarch quite normally. There are ballot papers and ballot boxes, and the counting commission wink
    The Catholic Pope has also been elected for centuries. hi


    But in general, you know, I will not argue with you and admit that I am wrong. And with all my heart I wish you personally to be treated by a doctor and a surgeon who has been elected to a position in a democracy. And let the chosen people be your pilot on the plane, too, through the ballot box. Amen! So be with you!
    1. 0
      25 September 2021 01: 52
      A wise answer. But the addressee will not understand it.
  24. 0
    24 September 2021 17: 14
    Quote: Finches
    I have not voted since 1996 and do not intend to vote - everything suits me, is that clearer?


    Personally, I don't need ANYTHING from the state. I studied for a long time and a lot precisely in order to count on ONLY myself. And let the lazy ones - the Abolduis, hope for the kind father of the Tsar, if their head is not enough and the Trudovik has not taught him how to do anything with his hands.
  25. 0
    24 September 2021 17: 56
    Who are all these people whose opinion is not interesting to anyone?))
  26. 0
    24 September 2021 18: 20
    Ahead are the next 5 years of "happiness" from EP, if only for the joy they did not add another 5 years to the retirement age belay
  27. -1
    24 September 2021 20: 00
    It's amazing how the same person can write a fairly clear analysis in this article and absolute nonsense in an article about weapons.
  28. +1
    24 September 2021 20: 41
    Quote: Kitty Moore
    They were never allowed to participate in the elections. Filmed for one reason or another.
    It was funny about children, thanks).

    And I was not funny when these degenerates called my child through tik-tok to go out against Putin. Laugh on, but after this I am ready to go out with arms in hand against Navalny and other riffraffs. So if they call to kill the rebels as in Belarus, the hand will not flinch.
  29. +2
    24 September 2021 21: 45
    Here we are discussing the election results all day long, you noticed that the government is absolutely calm Panfilov slightly portrayed noble indignation about St. who walked, who did not walk performed in this performance as a statistician The West, by and large, sneeze at our elections They are more concerned with creating an authoritarian state with an unpredictable policy on their borders, and with a nuclear club This is what worries them more and, finally, a quote is spinning in their head M Tver If the elections decided something, we would not be allowed to see them
  30. +3
    25 September 2021 00: 29
    Elektrostal. I am an observer - I got it, I achieved it. Live voting in the 24th school: In the State Duma, when calculating the Communist Party - 35%, SR-For Pravda-30%. Liberal Democratic Party - confidently withstood 10%. EP - withstood 20%. This is when counting the live vote. So it was when calculating (proportion) in the 17th school, next to it. Imagine the surprise that online voters cut all the numbers to death, there virtually 90% of those who voted at the polling station in favor of United Russia. The site barely scored a "live" 28%, but all 48% were virtual. At two polling stations (I spat and left), the majority (sufficient) voted for one-mandate Dmitry Agranovsky (Communist Party of the Russian Federation), but for some reason he was bypassed by a certain Panin (ER), unknown to anyone, except for the initial career of an official, the head of Orekhovo-Zuevo (where they don't like him very much). Even though everyone knew Agranovsky (he defended Limonov), a certain Panin, an official, creeps out, and immediately he is credited with as much as 56%, and Agranovsky, for whom 37% voted for only 19% in my two "controlled" polling stations. Nauseous, simple.
    1. -2
      25 September 2021 16: 56
      Quote: rruvim
      Elektrostal. I am an observer - I got it, I achieved ...
      Nauseous, simple.

      But after all, everyone was told not to vote electronically to avoid fraud, but come in person to the polling stations. I came on Friday before noon, I open the sheet, and I see that my neighbors, quite advanced people, have already voted electronically, and I signed my line as expected. But if they had not voted, then when they came to the polling station, they saw that there was already a record of electronic voting against their names, and the fraud would have been immediately revealed there. Now tell me, how many cases have been recorded throughout Russia when a person came to a polling station on Sunday, for example, and saw in the lists opposite his last name a record that he had already voted electronically? I have not heard something about massive cases of such fraud. But I do not deny that rigging can occur during electronic voting - this is where there is a great danger. So why are our people so stupid that they themselves do not want to go to the polls in order to avoid falsifications? By the way, all ballots are stored for a long time and they can be recounted if the case comes to court.
      1. 0
        25 September 2021 17: 14
        After 20-00 (local time) on the 19th, the counting of votes "on-line" by territorial districts began. Only after the "first line". And those who did not come found themselves in the lists of "on-line" voters. Naturally, some of them. But that was enough for the United Russia party to gain 49%. No one will ever submit a statement that he did NOT vote, because no official will provide him with an answer for whom he voted for if he did not vote. Casuistry. But this is how the system works. I won't say anything about single-mandate candidates, because no one knows, even by exit polls. Even to allowthat 49% voted for the United Russia according to party lists, then the single-mandate candidates passed with a minimum margin from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and SR-For the Truth, at best, gaining 30-35% maximum in Russian TIUs (majority in the Russian Federation) (although these percentages are a clear throw ). What then is 49% ??? on party lists? Simple logic.
        1. 0
          25 September 2021 20: 18
          Quote: rruvim
          ... And those who did not come found themselves in the lists of "on-line" voters. Naturally, some of them.

          Do you have proof? Then show them to Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky, and they will pull the falsifiers to court and cancel the voting results at your precinct.
          Quote: rruvim
          No one will ever submit a claim that they have NOT voted,

          Why do you think so badly of our people? I would certainly raise a scandal right at the point if I saw that I voted remotely, at least in order for it to become known to other scammers and they would be afraid of fraud.
          Quote: rruvim
          What then is 49% ??? on party lists? Simple logic.

          As I understand it, 49% of this result takes into account only party lists. But the total number of edros turned out to be much higher precisely because of single-mandate candidates. But why the people voted for them, this is already a question for our electorate, who believes that they are the best.
  31. 0
    25 September 2021 11: 09
    Quote: Aurel
    The society is not ripe for democracy. Before the invasion of Russia, Napoleon planned (an example from history) to abolish serfdom in Russia, but as he waged hostilities with the Russian army and partisans, he abandoned his original intention, considering it erroneous, believing that the Russian peasant is violent and should be kept in strict ...

    Quote: Finches
    Democracy is bullshit! Divorce for suckers! And I see people with my views - not to go to the polls, more and more on the VO. And this is the correct civic position! Participation in pro-Western "democratic" elections is the same as supporting LGBT people! laughing

    It is clear, to one - "P̶r̶a̶v̶o̶s̶l̶a̶v̶i̶e̶, ̶ ̶s̶a̶m̶o̶d̶e̶r̶zh̶a̶v̶i̶e̶, ̶ n̶a̶r̶o̶d̶n̶o̶s̶t̶ь̶" of the land of the spiritually appointed heterosexual ...
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    25 September 2021 11: 14
    Quote: Finches
    That is why not men, but rags and stinkers! They go to the Army not for the president and the dominant faction in the Duma, but for the Motherland! For Mom and Dad, their children, grandparents, their relatives and friends. .. Regardless of the order and time of year! I have the honor!

    If they such, are they not formed by the existing system ???
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    25 September 2021 11: 25
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Finches
    Participation in pro-Western "democratic" elections is the same as supporting LGBT people!

    That was the case under the Union - one candidate appointed by the party and no problems whatsoever.

    Whether it has become - imitation democracy and no problems (someone has)! winked
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    25 September 2021 11: 28
    Quote: Finches
    Yes, if only! - ordinary balabol! Military junta, this is serious and without unnecessary talk! Black colonels, this is the case!

    So this is what you are calling for! Just do not forget that it is inconvenient to sit on bayonets and the finish is sometimes sad ...
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    25 September 2021 14: 37
    there is a place for democracy, for everything there is a place in the sun. The question is how much and where is it needed, and who determines it ...
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    25 September 2021 14: 37
    Quote: savage1976
    A wise answer. But the addressee will not understand it.


    ATP!
    What wisdom is there !!!!! Just a life experience. Appears with age. Just think what a discovery! Binomial theorem...
    As the classic said: "May everyone be rewarded according to his faith." And then we'll see. In an empirical way. Yeah .... drinks
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    26 September 2021 08: 17
    Everyone is ranting about United Russia. But in the regions the overwhelming majority vote for the United Russia. So there is no falsification here.
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    26 September 2021 13: 42
    Quote: Finches
    I have not voted since 1996 and do not intend to vote - everything suits me, is that clearer?

    A very strange position. That is, Yeltsin suited, then Putin is happy, and so on. It doesn't work that way. I am from Moldova, we already have 6 presidents and one interim, several times the direction of movement of the country has changed. Why should I agree with all this. Right now, one "democratic" person has come, dragged her party into parliament, appoints relatives and acquaintances to positions to the applause of the US and the EU, and I must agree with that. At least I went to elections and did not vote for them, that is, I was not involved in their coming to power.
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    28 September 2021 11: 21
    I started for peace, finished for health. Author, why did you write all this? Both ours and yours. In politics, this is called forgive ...

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