"This is the second Guantanamo": the Taliban accused the United States of violating the Geneva Convention in the Bagram prison

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Qatar Information Service Al-Jazeera is publishing a story about the testimonies of former inmates at Bagram Prison. A large prison was located not far from the military base. The inmates of this prison were released by representatives of the Taliban terrorist group (* banned in the Russian Federation) after gaining control over Kabul.

One of the former prisoners (his name is called - Khajimumin Hamza) says that the American military and local guards used the torture system. According to Hamza, who is quoted by Al-Jazeera, various means and measures of influence were used against the prisoners: electric shockers, beating with feet, etc.



Bagram prison in Afghanistan is called the "second Guantanamo". It has operated for over 19 years. Initially, it was assumed that the prison would be a temporary detention center. However, the "temporary" detention for thousands of prisoners sometimes turned out to be calculated for years.

As of August 2021, more than 5 thousand people were held in the Bagram prison, although when it was opened, they announced the calculation for a maximum of 1,5 thousand.

The Taliban *, who have organized a tour of the prison premises for Qatari journalists, point to the presence of the text of the Geneva Convention on one of the walls. The convention specifically prohibits ill-treatment and torture. And then the room is shown in which this torture was used by the Americans and local guards. In this regard, the Taliban, using the testimony of prisoners in the Bagram prison, accuses the United States of violating the Geneva Convention.

A former inmate says that they were tortured by hanging them by their legs from a hook on the ceiling of the cell, pouring ice water over them, and using tear gas. There was also a system of punishment cells - individual prisoners without trial and investigation spent months on end in cells with an area of ​​about 3 square meters - without light or, conversely, with a brightly turned on lamp.

Hamza:

Torture in the form of sexual violence also took place. They did everything to break the will of people - whether they were criminals or not.

From the material "Al-Jazeera":

In the United States, the existence of the "second Guantanamo" or the so-called "Black Prison" of Bagram was initially denied. However, there is evidence of prisoners in this prison. There are many of them. They say that none of those who were able to get out of there returned to normal life without mental disabilities.

One gets the impression that the Taliban are trying to get an answer from the international community to the question of who the bigger terrorist was - they or the Americans ...
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  1. +5
    22 September 2021 17: 37
    A voice crying in the wilderness.
    Nobody will hear it. Yes, and the Taliban themselves do not pay boys.
    1. +5
      22 September 2021 17: 41
      Nobody will hear it. Yes, and the Taliban themselves do not pay boys.
      Quite funny when the Taliban accuse someone of violating the Geneva Convention)
      1. +4
        22 September 2021 18: 52
        They were worth each other
        1. +2
          22 September 2021 18: 53
          They were worth each other
          An apple from an apple tree ...
      2. +3
        22 September 2021 19: 13
        The problem is that the Yankees themselves never ratified the Geneva Convention. So yes, they do not legally violate anything by torture.
    2. +10
      22 September 2021 17: 51
      They are not good Taliban, they are bad Yankees.
  2. -8
    22 September 2021 17: 46
    Sleeping with girls 10-12 years old is considered quite normal for the Taliban, but sleeping in a cell with the lights on is a real torture ...
    1. +14
      22 September 2021 19: 06
      Quote: war thunder
      Sleeping with girls 10-12 years old is considered quite normal for the Taliban, but sleeping in a cell with the lights on is a real torture ...

      Sleeping with girls 10-12 years old, after the wedding, is considered normal in many peoples of Asia and Africa. But to keep people, without trial and investigation, in cells and mock them, for some reason, it is considered normal only among the Americans and Bandera in Ukraine, and of their teachers, the Nazis
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        1. +8
          22 September 2021 19: 36
          Quote: war thunder
          So many of our police officers learned from the Nazis.

          Where are your police officers?
          But even a wedding does not justify a pedophile.
          Would you give your 10 year old daughter or granddaughter in marriage to your peer, even if officially and even with the blessing of Allah?

          Unexpectedly, in those ethnic groups where weddings from 10-12 years old are accepted, they do not consider it pedophilism, have they not thought about it?
          And why ask me, a representative of a completely different culture, about this?
          I do not make excuses for the Taliban
          But you are trying to judge people from the standpoint of your culture, but they have nothing to do with it, their culture has completely different rules.
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            2. -1
              22 September 2021 19: 55
              About sleeping with a girl of 10 years old
              In general, do you care what they do there? Do not forget them until the Middle Ages, as we are before the general prosperity.
              here a whole sleeping cell of military-patriotic pedophiles hangs out.
              Maybe the Taliban?
        2. +2
          22 September 2021 19: 44
          Yes, marriages are concluded at 10 years old .. parents, but this does not mean sex at 10 years old, waiting for the age of maturity, playing weddings, half of the world live by these rules ... but this is voluntary, plus "kalym" plus traditions ... Do you want to compare, give your daughter "Yankee" or "married" ....
    2. -4
      22 September 2021 19: 44
      Sleep with girls 10-12 years old
      Do you think the Taliban are being tortured like that? Or do you stand up for the boys, the rest is torture? Your message is not very clear and what does the Geneva Convention have to do with it?
    3. -8
      22 September 2021 20: 17
      Quote: war thunder
      Sleeping with girls 10-12 years old is considered quite normal for the Taliban,

      Apparently in Russia, in percentage terms, many girls start sleeping with men earlier than in Afghanistan. One of the reasons that the birth rate in Russia has decreased is that girls
      start having sex before their body is fully formed. Afghanistan faces this problem less. The main difference in Russia is starting to sleep before the wedding, in Afghanistan after. Although in Afghanistan it is considered normal to marry after 16 years.
  3. +3
    22 September 2021 17: 52
    "The Taliban Accused The US Of Violating The Geneva Convention In Bagram Prison." Yes ... who would have thought even yesterday that some of the most odious terrorists would be accused of violating human rights (!), The most odious democrats on the planet ?! Where is the world heading? ....)))
  4. +6
    22 September 2021 17: 55
    In the United States, the existence of the "second Guantanamo" or the so-called "Black Prison" of Bagram was initially denied. However, there is evidence of prisoners in this prison.

    Everything is slowly gathering, in one thick folder of accusations against these "beacons of democracy" and freedom of human rights .. Double standards of exceptional. negative
    We still do not know everything, and I feel when we find out that Hitler will be just a baby in his atrocities against humanity, compared to this newly-minted world Reich. It's not for nothing that today's liberals are so bloodthirsty in our country
  5. -7
    22 September 2021 17: 57
    "This is the second Guantanamo": Taliban (terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation) accused the United States of violating the Geneva Convention in Bagram prison.

    How nice that terrorists accuse anyone of violating the Geneva Convention. Theater of the absurd.
    1. +10
      22 September 2021 18: 24
      Quote: professor
      How nice that terrorists accuse anyone of violating the Geneva Convention.

      Perhaps they are terrorists, although during the Great Patriotic War we called them partisans who destroyed the invaders and their henchmen, but if you compare how many people these "terrorists" killed, and how many were destroyed by the United States and their "allies", then the Taliban, in comparison with them, are simply innocent babies ...
      1. +2
        23 September 2021 13: 04
        Quote: taiga2018
        Perhaps they are terrorists, although during the Great Patriotic War we called them partisans who destroyed the invaders and their henchmen, but if you compare how many people these "terrorists" killed, and how many were destroyed by the United States and their "allies", then the Taliban, in comparison with them, are simply innocent babies ...

        Who is this "you"? My grandfather was not like that. He beat the Nazis on his territory, rather than stoning local women because they didn't dress like that. He did not blow up schools in which they taught not what he liked.
    2. +7
      22 September 2021 18: 59
      Quote: professor
      How nice that terrorists accuse anyone of violating the Geneva Convention.

      why are the Taliban terrorists? what terrorist attacks did the Taliban commit?
      The United States has committed a lot of terrorist attacks! why are they not terrorists?
      1. +7
        22 September 2021 19: 15
        Quote: SanichSan
        what terrorist attacks did the Taliban commit?

        they armed militants in Chechnya ..
        Quote: SanichSan
        The United States has committed a lot of terrorist attacks!
        - Wounded Knee, Hiroshima. Nagasaki, Agent Orange .......
        1. +3
          22 September 2021 19: 37
          Quote: aybolyt678
          they armed militants in Chechnya ..

          it is not a terrorist attack as such. Qatar won ISIS and arming the barmaleev. Turkey of the Barmaley in Idlib. they are not called terrorists. The United States supplied weapons and instructors to terrorists in Syria, and they do not seem to be considered terrorists either. request
          I do not justify them, but you must admit that it would be strange if in 1999 the Taliban did not support the Chechens. request
          I am in this situation strained by double standards. over the past 10 years, I have not found evidence of Taliban terrorist activities.
          Quote: aybolyt678
          - Wounded Knee, Hiroshima. Nagasaki, Agent Orange .......

          the list is endless. what the United States did in Vietnam is in no way inferior to the actions of German punitive units, and the scale of crimes is much greater due to better equipment Yes
          1. +3
            22 September 2021 19: 45
            Quote: SanichSan
            I am in this situation strained by double standards. over the past 10 years, I have not found evidence of Taliban terrorist activities.

            this is a delicate policy ... like the United States called them terrorists, try to dissuade the civilizants from this! they will immediately raise a howl. However, in fact, they were given an official reception, we left the embassy there, in the end the Soviet Union built power plants, gas pipelines and car workshops in Kabul there. And even somewhere there is a mosque. Their faith was not humiliated, the opinion of the Russians there is positive.
            On the third hand, the Taliban leadership does not guarantee aggressive military action by some commanders, so double standards are necessary here.
      2. +2
        23 September 2021 13: 08
        Quote: SanichSan
        Quote: professor
        How nice that terrorists accuse anyone of violating the Geneva Convention.

        why are the Taliban terrorists? what terrorist attacks did the Taliban commit?
        The United States has committed a lot of terrorist attacks! why are they not terrorists?

        Apply with an official request to the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation for clarification. Bring food for a couple of days, warm clothes and documents with you. It can be useful.
    3. 0
      24 September 2021 09: 31
      Quote: professor
      terrorists blame anyone
      Not someone, but a state, and not any, but a terrorist one, which replaced the right to violence with the right of the strong.
  6. +8
    22 September 2021 18: 04
    The Americans handed over the prison in Bagram to the Afghan authorities on March 25, 2013 .. I think the guards from it - everyone really wanted to get on the plane recently ..
  7. +6
    22 September 2021 18: 05
    These Taliban are so naive, they think that some of the "civilized" ones will believe them ... In this "civilized" world of theirs, one can invent some kind of poisoning, find the "guilty" and demand their extradition, or it is possible to destroy ten people with an air strike seven kids and just make do with "regrets."
  8. +2
    22 September 2021 18: 39
    Where is the world going? Do you think it's time to uncover the trunks? Or early?
    1. 0
      23 September 2021 01: 31
      Quote: dimann271
      Where is the world going? Do you think it's time to uncover the trunks? Or early?

      shoot who you want? an internal or external enemy? laughing
  9. -10
    22 September 2021 18: 41
    These bandits are now seeking, through any pretext, attention to themselves and recognition of themselves, the Basmachi, by the whole world as the official power. And they do it primarily through the media. Including, and through this, VO. NONE of self-respecting and sane journalists would reprint such a blizzard from bandits
    1. +7
      22 September 2021 19: 11
      Quote: seld
      These bandits are now seeking, through any pretext, attention to themselves and recognition of themselves, the Basmachi, by the whole world as the official power.

      if you suddenly forgot, these "bandits" are Afghans, and the overwhelming majority of the Afghan population is with them, and not with Western puppets like Ghani. what right do you have to decide for them how to live?
      Quote: seld
      NONE of self-respecting and sane journalists would reprint such a blizzard from bandits

      "Self-respecting journalists" are those moral monsters who lick the killers and bandits who recently staged a massacre at the Kabul airport and killed an Afghan family from a drone, including 7 children? Do you personally have at least the rudiments of conscience?
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  12. -3
    22 September 2021 19: 25
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: seld
    These bandits are now seeking, through any pretext, attention to themselves and recognition of themselves, the Basmachi, by the whole world as the official power.

    if you suddenly forgot, these "bandits" are Afghans, and the overwhelming majority of the Afghan population is with them, and not with Western puppets like Ghani. what right do you have to decide for them how to live?
    Quote: seld
    NONE of self-respecting and sane journalists would reprint such a blizzard from bandits

    "Self-respecting journalists" are those moral monsters who lick the killers and bandits who recently staged a massacre at the Kabul airport and killed an Afghan family from a drone, including 7 children? Do you personally have at least the rudiments of conscience?


    All the realities are confused in your head because of the increased viewing of TV and the Internet. Refugees. Civilians. Flies, cutlets. You first decide on the idea that you wanted to express and separate the population from the Basmachi. Start from the very beginning of the author's article, with a reference to the fact that the Taliban is a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation, which, being a terrorist, seized power in the country of Afghanistan. And the Russian Federation, as well as the UN considers this organization to be terrorist. Bandits ONET !!!!!
    And whoever argues with this may end up in prison for proclaiming terrorism. Are you going to bet the Taliban are terrorists?
    1. +4
      22 September 2021 19: 49
      Quote: seld
      Are you going to bet the Taliban are terrorists?

      they do not negotiate with terrorists, they do not invite them to the Foreign Ministry, they do not leave ambassadors.
      I hope Truth will be born in a dispute? smile
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    +4
    22 September 2021 19: 35
    Quote: war thunder

    Would you give your 10 year old daughter or granddaughter in marriage to your peer, even if officially and even with the blessing of Allah?

    In warm countries, girls start puberty at 10-12 years old, and in the Chukchi, for example, at 20.
    They do not climb into someone else's monastery with their own charter. You don't like it. when Americans tell everyone what to do. Or do you like it? Are you one of these?
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  15. -3
    22 September 2021 19: 43
    Interesting. Terrorists have the audacity to accuse a civilized country of something. They would, in order to gain trust and recognition, subside, obey and do whatever they are told to do. But they deliberately escalate and will certainly be painfully punished for this.
    1. +1
      22 September 2021 21: 11
      If China supports the Taliban terrorist organization in accusing the Americans, will this be considered according to your principles? Moreover, China is already starting this campaign on the crimes of Americans against humanity.
      1. -3
        22 September 2021 21: 21
        China itself is not very clean in this regard, so no, it will not be considered: the criminal is shielding the criminal. It is not for China, with its issue of Tibet, Uighurs and Taiwan, to aggravate its situation and cover up terrorists. And the crimes of the United States ... It is possible for a superpower, it differs from just great powers in that no one dares to order it and no laws apply to it.
    2. +2
      22 September 2021 23: 59
      "Civilized country" - what is it?
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 08: 47
        A civilized country is one that clearly understands its capabilities. Which does not seek to jump over its head, having created a single feat to the surprise of the world ... At the cost of ruining the entire people. And the one that just solidly fulfills the urgent tasks facing it: for example, the standard of living of the people, for example, improvement, for example, education. And, again clearly realizing his capabilities, he also understands the balance of power - and therefore does not seek to quarrel with someone who is stronger and richer. On the contrary, he seeks cooperation and patronage in every possible way. In a civilized country, foreign policy is only a welcome addition, and sphere of influence is an unnecessary trifle. The absolute priority is internal politics, that's what really matters. In general, such a peaceful, unambitious and law-abiding country, in which it is simply pleasant to live and you may not even know the name of the ruler. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries, Finland, Canada - and you will also understand.
        1. +2
          23 September 2021 09: 50
          According to your interpretation, the United States is not a civilized country. So, returning from the previous question, the uncivilized, which means the barbarian country of the United States can be accused of crimes against humanity.
        2. +1
          23 September 2021 10: 33
          You live in the wrong country. In the film about such a hero said that he dreams of a hut with a hog. Foreign policy - "Nice addition". Show a country that has a "Nice" foreign policy? Finland? Zero problems with neighbors? Their history has taught this, including the USSR, they will pout - they will lose their statehood. While the USSR was, they behaved like that. It was gone. Finland supports EU sanctions against Russia. She is in the EU, in the EU everyone votes for the sanctions "Unanimously", otherwise they would not have been introduced. Or do you mean to say that you justify the EU sanctions against us? Then again - you live in the wrong country. Everyone you have listed is in military, political and economic blocs with other, more powerful countries. In exchange, they gave up some of their sovereignty (making important decisions) to these "powerful" ones. Are you proposing to give part of Russia's sovereignty to others? Again - you live in the wrong country. Change it and be "happy".
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 11: 13
            According to your interpretation, the United States is not a civilized country.

            The USA is a superpower, a country of a higher order. The point is that a superpower has only two effective brakes - internal self-restraints and another superpower. However, the USSR naturally collapsed, and the victorious Democratic Party allows itself much more, so the US behavior is completely natural. It’s very easy to understand that a superpower doesn’t need anyone’s approval. And the superpower does not need permissions - on the contrary, it gives them out. Or maybe ban it.
            Foreign policy - "Nice addition". Show a country that has a "Nice" foreign policy?

            Not in that sense. It meant that such a country places the main emphasis on domestic policy, while foreign policy exists, and that's okay. And not like someone else's - all attention is paid to foreign policy (which is very disastrous), but to the domestic one is completely scored.
            In exchange, they gave up some of their sovereignty (making important decisions) to these "powerful" ones.

            Sovereignty is generally a highly overvalued thing. Strong relationships with the strong and the ease of life of your people are much more important than all this ideological-propaganda nonsense.
            1. +1
              23 September 2021 19: 51
              In the USA "higher order" ??? How are you....? There are no words even. When an aggressively-minded part of the population imposes its point of view by means of violence ??? Thunder and burning at the same time government bodies (police departments)? You call it a higher order ??? What do you think is a mess? Do you know the history of the pilot Yaroshenko? DEA agents held verbal negotiations with him, during which Yaroshenko agreed to transfer the cargo. On the basis of oral agreements, he was extradited and sentenced to several tens of years in prison. Do you think this is a "high level of order" ???
              1. 0
                23 September 2021 20: 39
                Not in that sense. A country of a higher order means that the country is at a higher level than the rest, ahead of even the civilized countries I have mentioned.
    3. +1
      23 September 2021 16: 05
      Is this a "civilized country" mattress? With private prisons, consider legalized slavery, terrorist attacks all over the planet, attacks on different countries, simply "at the behest of the left heel"? Are these signs of civilization?
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 16: 15
        Private prisons inside the United States, where Americans languish in captivity, I myself do not approve of. Everything else is a superpower routine. To defend your dominance, you need to be prepared for cruelty. And use all the most effective means, not especially reckoning with nonsense like international law and local laws. Superpower is just above all this shit.
        1. 0
          23 September 2021 16: 22
          Indeed, laws, justice, truth is all shit laughing
          The main thing is to provide your opa with a continuous flow of materials for shit. I wanted - I bombed the wedding, I wanted - I burned down the village together with the inhabitants. Anyone there is not "exceptional" - in the death camps. The beauty! Superpower above everything! Didn't you study there for an hour?
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 16: 42
            Indeed, this behavior is quite typical for a superpower. We may recall that the Union also did not stand on ceremony. And also, without going into such trifles, he blew up where communism is not enough. And also gave out to children not at all. But, in every possible way approving of the Soviet strong policy, you hypocritically curse exactly the same American one.
            1. 0
              23 September 2021 16: 59
              Please list where the USSR broke into, where it destroyed states, leaving behind bandit enclaves, which terrorist organizations the USSR financed, and which countries after the "barbaric invasion" of the USSR were unable to recover and turned into its colonies? Maybe Yugoslavia? No? Libya? Again, no? Iraq? Or was it the USSR that spent 20 years and a trillion dollars to replace the Taliban rule in Afghanistan with the Taliban rule?
              laughing
              1. 0
                23 September 2021 21: 03
                Quite easy. Remember Korea, where it was only thanks to the efforts of Soviet pilots and the supply of weapons that the Kims managed to retain power, read - split the once united country in two and plant a vassal regime on one of the pieces. Remember the huge help in Vietnam - the Viet Cong, after all, in the eyes of the West, was exactly what the Taliban of its time was. Remember the Cuban revolution - Guevara's comrades (again in the eyes of the West) were exactly that gang that destroyed the prosperous Cuba of Batista. Angola here - the pro-Western gang was overthrown by the communist, along the way, breaking the third gang. Quite similar to Nicaragua. Well, a direct invasion and colonies - Eastern Europe. The Union would have been a liberator when, having driven out the Germans, it immediately went home without any conditions, leaving the peoples there themselves to decide their fate. But the Union imposed puppet regimes, in fact, simply replacing the Germans as occupiers. Is it by chance that the countries of the social bloc are still many times poorer than the western ones, given the same starting conditions of the post-war devastation?
                1. -1
                  23 September 2021 21: 10
                  But the countries occupied by mattresses are flourishing. There is a barn and slops for every pig. There is only no opportunity to do at least something in the interests of their country, and not the occupiers. Step to the right, step to the left, as they say. And so everything is fine. But they are under occupation and hate Russia precisely because they could not occupy it either with Germany, or the Entente, or the Third Reich (European Union) or in the 1990s. They shit very badly, but they could not win. So they get angry. And, strange, right ?, the Taliban, having seized power in Afghanistan, have nothing against the Russians, and the mattresses and their hangers-on had to skedaddle by dropping feces. While the Russian embassy was taken under protection by the Taliban. Don't you think that this situation perfectly shows the degree of respect for terrorists (us) and for former enemies?
                  1. 0
                    23 September 2021 21: 28
                    But the countries occupied by mattresses are flourishing. There is a barn and slops for every pig. There is only no opportunity to do at least something in the interests of your country

                    Don't you think that the barn and slop for every pig are the true interests of their country? And all there greatness and fateful decisions are things very distant and not very necessary. What is the point of quarreling with a superpower when it is obviously stronger and will win anyway? And he will set new conditions, much more severe. And vice versa, a superpower in friends gives wealth (access to the market and technology), gives protection ... You need to be friends with such benefactors. Of course, one has to pay for such an idyll, but giving away a piece of politics is an acceptable compromise in the eyes of many.
                2. -1
                  23 September 2021 21: 13
                  By the way, about the poverty of the social bloc countries: Let me remind you that all (almost) of them have joined the Western system, where they are ripped off like sticky, prohibiting any more or less noticeable economic growth. These countries were rich in the socialist system and became impoverished when they climbed "into Europe".
                  1. 0
                    23 September 2021 21: 43
                    Just the opposite. Their poverty did not arise suddenly when they came to Europe - their poverty manifested itself, became visible to the world. That is, the cover of lies fell and the true state of affairs became visible. In the social bloc, those countries were rich only against the background of a completely impoverished USSR and other hicks like Albania.
                    1. -1
                      23 September 2021 21: 47
                      laughing laughing laughing The USSR was so poor that the "democrats" and their henchmen for 30 years could not plunder what was created. The "countries of the social bloc" "became beggars" when the USSR built factories, factories, shipyards and ports there. But as soon as "the Soviet occupation disappeared", these prosperous factories, factories, etc. were abruptly plundered and destroyed. So I need to understand you that countries with a developed industry are bad, and the current pieces of beggars are good? Teach history. Including economic.
                      1. 0
                        23 September 2021 21: 56
                        There is no paradox. The standard of living of the people, especially in the Russian regions, was at the bottom. They were robbing giant enterprises, a completely separate thing. By the way, there is another reason for the collapse: the alienation of the people from the allegedly national property. Enterprises, technologies and incomes were in the hands of the partocracy, which in every possible way did not allow the people to approach them and did not share. A split arose between the people and the government. Returning to the abrupt disappearance of industry after the collapse, the answer is very simple: it was an oak, surprisingly backward and completely uncompetitive industry. When she got out of the greenhouse conditions of the social bloc with its guaranteed order and sale, with its careless attitude to new technologies, into a real competitive environment, these dinosaurs instantly turned sour. And the truth: the German trophy machine does not compete with the laser.
                      2. -1
                        23 September 2021 22: 05
                        Yeah. A backward industry whose products were highly valued around the world. The list is long. And this industry disappeared because the monkey cannot control the CNC machine, and the "new owners" first of all dispersed the specialists. I remember very well how they laughed with the guys, saying what the highest level of education in the country! Janitor with two higher! Watchman with three! Do you think it was not so in other countries of the social bloc? It was like that and even worse. My then wife went a couple of times to Riga to see my sister (LBG is a stateless person), my son is a citizen of Latvia. So my wife told me how these Latvians (a hole instead of a soul) shouted proudly, that until 1940 they warmed their feet in cow "cakes" in winter and now they are ready to live the same way, if only not with the Russians. And it is not production technologies that are to blame, but brainwashing technologies. By the way, let's modestly compare the level of technology, for example, aircraft engine building at the end of the 1980s)))
                      3. 0
                        24 September 2021 08: 46
                        A backward industry whose products were highly valued around the world.

                        Not around the world, but among the same backward socialist countries. In the west, this squalor was not needed for nothing. By the way, this is a very true indicator: if a product is not quoted in the West and personally in the United States, it means that it is shit. Education is also here - they taught unnecessary specialties according to very outdated methods, plus they also hammered the brains with all kinds of nonsense, like the history of the party. Unless just now the techies have been helpful. And the level of technology - every time I remember the F-16. The Americans have reached such a level of reliability, power, compactness, weight, fuel efficiency that they fearlessly made a single-engine fighter. But the Union could not. So we fly with two for the fun of the whole world.
                      4. -1
                        24 September 2021 12: 39
                        What a nuisance ... The best musical groups specially ordered "shit" amplifying equipment from the Ural Instrument-Making Plant, the Soviet "shit" education system was one of the best in the world and "advanced" mattresses copied it for their elite educational institutions. But now Russia has an "advanced" education system developed in France for children with Down's disease. Breakthrough, huh? Achievement! Decommunization! Have you dreamed about it? Eat with a full spoon, do not get covered.
                      5. 0
                        24 September 2021 13: 42
                        I just wrote that there were isolated excellent moments in the Union ... But they do not cover the bulk of squalor, poverty and backwardness. A developed country does not send students and professors to collective farm fields to manually poke around in the ground. A developed country will not forcibly keep its citizens, making it extremely difficult even for tourism to the socialist camp. A developed country does not live in dugouts and barracks until the sixties. I'm not talking about workdays, the lack of passports and the forced retention of peasants on collective farms, in fact, serfdom. In the era of space exploration, yes. Here are black-and-white televisions up to the eighties, Khrushchevs with their cardboard walls, communal apartments ... And I have heard, as it happened many times, part of the salary was given out in bonds. And this is just offhand. Not with such vestiges to be called a developed country.
                      6. -1
                        24 September 2021 13: 47
                        I have already understood that you are a fan of the mattress politics of barbarity and mass murder, and at the word "culture" you grab a pistol. You don't have to continue to convince me of this. Learn history better.
                        Speaking of "forcibly detained": Do you know who built the Berlin Wall and who raised the Iron Curtain? You will be surprised, but the Berlin Wall was built by the Western occupation administration, as people from West Berlin fled in droves to the East. Work. There was no work in the western. And the "Iron Curtain" was the same idea as the current "sanctions". They tried to economically stifle the world's only really profitable and growing economy.
                      7. 0
                        24 September 2021 15: 02
                        I have already understood that you are a fan of the mattress politics of barbarity and mass murder, and at the word "culture" you grab a pistol.

                        No, you still don't get it. All this time, I tend to believe that a superpower can really do whatever it wants, because it has an absolute right. An absolute right is one that takes precedence over all others. Including international. The point is precisely in this - to achieve such power in order to escape from the yoke of these useless paperwork. Do only what you want and as you see fit (and not as all sorts of boogers are told). Be free from all restrictions. It was for this that the Cold War was fought. The United States won and is now simply exercising the victor's right to dispose of the taken world domination as it pleases. The states cannot be banned or denied. The best thing to do is to just do whatever they say and not do what they prohibit.
                        You will be surprised, but the Berlin Wall was built by the Western occupation administration, as people from West Berlin fled in droves to the East. Work. There was no work in the western.

                        Then why was the wall not guarded on the west side? There was a well-known West German joker, he walked the wall several times and even jumped to the east side, after which he returned. It would be difficult for him to pull off all this if the wall was built by the FRG, right? And not only the wall - it is known for certain that the GDR even blocked the metro. And not only in Germany - the Czech-Austrian border is known, there were three electric bands - so powerful that even the deer population, once a single one, split into two. It's a very strange idea to try not to let the citizens out of the socialist paradise.
  16. +2
    22 September 2021 19: 46
    Well done, Taliban! They know which part of the body to hold the mattress covers!)
  17. +1
    22 September 2021 19: 48
    Oh, the Americans will finish badly!
    Why such a prison or Guantanamo prison, for example, does not look like a biblical Garden, and what kind of Gomora is going on with them, I generally keep quiet!
    Let them look into the scriptures how it can end for them.
    GDP predicted them to burn in hell, they apparently did not listen! am
  18. 0
    22 September 2021 19: 51
    Aha ha soon Ishil with Hezbbalah and Islamic Jihad will submit a resolution to the UN
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  20. 0
    22 September 2021 19: 58
    All who have ever proclaimed themselves superior to other nations ended badly. Their illegal prisons are just confirmation of this.
    They keep other people for the second class, and Afgvnts, and Russians, and even (although it is impossible to believe it) their "friends" Ukrainians. negative
  21. 0
    22 September 2021 20: 49
    And the Taliban are rainbow teddy bears, uh-huh laughing
  22. +1
    22 September 2021 21: 32
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: seld
    Are you going to bet the Taliban are terrorists?

    they do not negotiate with terrorists, they do not invite them to the Foreign Ministry, they do not leave ambassadors.
    I hope Truth will be born in a dispute? smile


    I never argue. But I am reasoning.
    Regarding the ambassadors - a question to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
    And he was immediately puzzled by such a somersault: roofing felts are prohibited, roofing felts support diplomatic relations. And, which is typical, at the level of the ambassador. Not a consul ....
    Well, standards, sir. Double? Five?
  23. -1
    23 September 2021 02: 58
    One of the former prisoners (his name is called - Khajimumin Hamza) talks about ...

    An extremely "authoritative source", yes. Yes
    Why the rest are silent? Power in their country, there is definitely nothing to be afraid of. So why are the others silent?as if they had taken water into their mouth?

    I understand, of course, that the Yankees are also not at all "examples of humanism" (like any soldier in a war). But even such "single testimonies" arouse even more suspicion of lies - the Taliban (or "Al-Jazeera") just stupidly retold everything that they saw in American cinema. And even through the mouth of just one "witness", for some reason.
    But real torture can be much worse if they really want to extract important information from the "ward" (I think there are no optimists who are ready to deny this) ...
  24. +1
    23 September 2021 12: 12
    Taliban, hehe, torture, haha. Don't laugh at me. Guantanamo is just a pioneer camp compared to the pits where bearded students shoved prisoners. For these zindans, the Taliban must be leveled with a bulldozer in order to preserve the mind of human memory and descendants.
  25. 0
    24 September 2021 12: 43
    "The UN recognized Russia's violation of the Geneva Conventions, due to its deliberate resettlement of people from the mainland to the Ukrainian Crimea in an attempt to change the demography of the occupied peninsula."
  26. 0
    24 September 2021 12: 47
    Ahh, these are the guys who cut their heads. Well, that's not bad either.