In the US press, the B-21 Raider stealth bombers under construction were called the "destroyers" of the Russian S-500 air defense systems

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Five B-21 Raider strategic stealth bombers are currently under construction at the Northrop Grumman facility in Palmdale, California, according to The Drive. The publication refers to the statement of the Secretary of the Air Force (Air Force) of the United States, Frank Kendall.

According to American analysts, the first such aircraft may take off in late spring or early summer 2022. At the same time, the US press calls the B-21 Raider under construction the "destroyers" of the Russian S-500 Prometheus air defense systems. But first, these aircraft will need to be tested, and they will arrive directly at the US Air Force only in the middle of the decade. This is despite the fact that the S-500 air defense system has already begun to enter service with the RF Armed Forces.



Presumably, the planes will be stationed at Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota, then at Whiteman Air Force Base (Missouri) and Dyce (Texas).

The American publication calls the new bombers the highest priority for the US Air Force. The Pentagon considers the most important task to gain advantages over the Russian S-500 systems. Earlier, another American publication, The National Interest, wrote that the B-21 Raider would be invulnerable to the promising Russian S-500 Prometheus anti-aircraft missile systems. On what basis American journalists make such conclusions, apparently, only they themselves know ... Especially if they, by definition, cannot know all the performance characteristics of the newest Russian air defense-missile defense systems.

Popular Mechanics reports that a promising strategic bomber will be able to carry conventional and nuclear weapons on board. So, it can be equipped with Joint Directed Attack Munition (JDAM) ammunition and AGM-158 Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM) missiles, as well as B83 and B61-12 nuclear bombs.

The US Air Force has already supported the acquisition of 145 of these aircraft for the needs of the military aviation... Now all that remains is to resolve financial issues, however, most likely, the Pentagon will be able to provide funding for the production of new aircraft. The goals for which the American military department orders new bombers are too ambitious.

Recall that on January 31, 2020, Northrop Grumman presented images of a promising B-21 Reider bomber. Air intakes recessed into the wing, "two-wheeled" main landing gear, engines inside the airframe - these are the main features of the new aircraft. Experts believe that the new bomber will be less visible to enemy radar systems due to a decrease in effective scattering area (EPR).
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  1. +24
    22 September 2021 10: 28
    The most important thing is to crow loudly. '' Operator C 500 grinned maliciously.
    1. -2
      22 September 2021 10: 36
      -the acquisition of 145 such aircraft for the needs of military aviation.
      Not quality. So quantity.
      1. +8
        22 September 2021 11: 05
        Quote: knn54
        Not quality. So quantity.

        145 pieces are about nothing.
        But, given their cost, a significant part of the budget.
        This means that there will be fewer other weapons, and significantly.
        This means that the pilots will be cut.
        All this can only be welcomed.
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          1. +14
            22 September 2021 11: 59
            For this flying iron, a 4 ++ park is enough for this flying iron: Su-30 and Su-35. MIG-31 is also not averse to using this American chicken fillet.
            It's time to understand that the military air defense system is far from the first echelon of air defense.
            1. +10
              22 September 2021 12: 36
              Quote: Bshkaus
              The Russian Aerospace Forces ordered only 76 Su57 i.e. one fighter for two B21

              First, the Russian Air Force and Air Defense only need to defend Russia. That is 1/8 of the land.
              Americans need to be present all over the planet, on land and at sea.
              Secondly, when there is one Su-57 against two bombers, the bombers can order a memorial service. The stealth bomber is not intended for combat. Their niche is hidden penetration, not combat.
              1. 0
                24 September 2021 06: 50
                The stealth bomber is not intended for combat.

                Outdated data. It is Ryder who will be equipped with UAVs with air-to-air missiles.
                1. 0
                  24 September 2021 12: 25
                  Quote: VasYok
                  The rider will be equipped with a UAV with air-to-air missiles.

                  You can equip an airship with such missiles. Which by no means would make an airship a fighter.
                  Air combat is not only a weapon, it is also a means of protection, and maneuverability, and speed. It is in the quality of all factors that the effectiveness of a fighter manifests itself.
                  1. 0
                    25 September 2021 11: 01
                    Air combat is not only a weapon, it is also a means of protection, and maneuverability, and speed.

                    Rider will not be participate in aerial combat! This is the task of the UAV at distances exceeding the capabilities of enemy aircraft to defeat the B21.
            2. +1
              22 September 2021 19: 48
              Quote: PROXOR
              enough for a 4 ++ park: Su-30 and Su-35. MIG-31 is also not averse to using this American chicken fillet.

              One of the first alarming calls was the announcement by US Air Force pilot Larry Nielsen that the B-2 was visible on the radar of the MiG-29 fighter. In the 1990s, the pilot took part in tests of Soviet aircraft that the United States received from the fleet of the former GDR. In an interview with the World Air Power Journal, Nielsen said that Spirit could be targeted by the H019 complex developed by Fazotron-NIIR (Moscow).
              https://russian.rt.com/world/article/661570-b-21-samolyot-nedostatki
          2. +4
            22 September 2021 12: 28
            Yeah. Reconnaissance will thump at the moment when the enemy will concentrate offensive weapons. We didn’t lose the race because we didn’t enter it. Our tasks are radically different. We are on the defensive, if simple.
          3. +2
            22 September 2021 13: 02
            It is necessary to contact the specialists of the air defense air defense system, what is our salvo of air defense missile systems without reloading. The question is where they will trample, where they will make a hole.
            1. +2
              22 September 2021 14: 24
              Quote: tralflot1832
              It is necessary to contact the specialists of the air defense air defense system, what is our salvo of air defense missile systems without reloading. The question is where they will trample, where they will make a hole.

              The S-200 had six guns, in two divisions of the group ... hi
            2. -1
              24 September 2021 07: 15
              where they will trample, where they will make a hole.

              Strategists do not need to enter the air defense zone. For them it will be done by the RC or the UAV. Therefore, anti-aircraft gunners can shoot down Ryder only in a dream.
              And holes in the Russian air defense system can be made anywhere. And not necessarily with the help of aviation.
          4. +7
            22 September 2021 13: 22
            so we lost the race before we entered it.

            All clear. Katz offers to surrender.
            1. 0
              24 September 2021 07: 18
              Katz offers to surrender.

              Katz already gave up. And without a single shot.
              https://m.tiktok.com/v/6963283075493154049
            2. 0
              24 September 2021 09: 53
              it would be more correct: "... so we won the race simply by not joining it."
              laughing
          5. -1
            22 September 2021 13: 40
            Exactly!!!!
        2. -2
          22 September 2021 14: 59
          145 At 21 into the hole we have made in our air defense, we will have to sweat and the Pentagon will burn out.
        3. 0
          23 September 2021 07: 21
          We have 77 strategists in total. But that's not the point. Each such aircraft is equated to a deployed warhead. What is more profitable to have 145 missiles that are highly likely to reach the target, or 145 aircraft that, if the air defense is not suppressed, will be shot down with the same high probability?
          1. +2
            23 September 2021 11: 23
            Why would strategists enter the air defense zone? They will shoot KR from a distance of 1000 km and calmly go home.
            1. 0
              23 September 2021 11: 32
              This aircraft is made by analogy with the B-2, as if its continuation, is being developed on its basis. If so, the B-2 does not carry missiles, only bombs - 16 x B61-11 or 16 x B83.
              1. +1
                23 September 2021 12: 41
                The article also indicates that it is planned to use the CR missiles AGM-128 ..?
                1. 0
                  23 September 2021 12: 57
                  And it is also indicated that the first plane will take off into the air only in a year, and that 145 pieces are the military said, what Congress will say is unknown. So B-2 planned to make at least 100 units made 20.
                  Missiles are not AGM-128, you are mistaken, AGM-158, well, those, depending on the modification, from 360 km to almost 1000 km, the charge is normal. Designed to destroy highly protected shelters. Against the air defense system, this is not too funny, at a depth of 6,1 to 24,4 meters and in shelters with an overlap of up to 2 meters, they have nothing to do
    2. +4
      22 September 2021 11: 39
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The most important thing is to crow loudly. '' Operator C 500 grinned maliciously.

      Sorry, we didn't know he was invisible.
    3. -3
      22 September 2021 12: 58
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The most important thing is to crow loudly. '' Operator C 500 grinned maliciously.

      Yes! Only we can declare about all sorts of "Killer of aircraft carriers" and so on that has no analogues! Ish mattress covers! With a pig's snout in a Kalashny row!
      1. +1
        22 September 2021 13: 03
        They have not a pig's snout, but a bald eagle. wassat
    4. +8
      22 September 2021 13: 31
      From the article under discussion:
      In the US press, the B-21 Raider under construction is called the "destroyers" of the Russian S-500 Prometheus air defense systems.
      But what about? He studied jiu-jitsu, and went to defeat the bear! laughing
    5. -1
      22 September 2021 14: 54
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The most important thing is to crow loudly. '' Operator C 500 grinned maliciously.

      The tablet player will be the first to grin, striking a new target ... laughing
  2. +18
    22 September 2021 10: 29
    And that the very first destroyed S-500 complex will lead to the destruction of New York and Washington,
    the American edition of The Drive does not write?
    1. +9
      22 September 2021 10: 35
      Quote: prior
      And that the very first destroyed S-500 complex will lead to the destruction of New York and Washington,
      the American edition of The Drive does not write?

      The publication is interested in traffic to its website and in dividends, so they don't give a damn if the professionals at the Air Force headquarters will swallow antidepressants.
      1. +5
        22 September 2021 10: 42
        Yes, what kind of attendance after a nuclear war .... which such publications successfully provoke.
        Unfortunately, they don't even think about what they are crowing about.
        How can an American strategic bomber destroy a Russian complex in peacetime? And if destroyed, then this is a war and a war of destruction - nuclear.
        1. 0
          24 September 2021 07: 47
          How can an American strategic bomber destroy a Russian complex in peacetime?

          Elementary Watson. Just like Memphis destroyed Kursk. The next director of the CIA will come to Moscow and settle everything. Press statement: It blew itself up. lol
    2. -6
      22 September 2021 11: 58
      And that the very first destroyed S-500 complex will lead to the destruction of New York and Washington, 
      the American edition of The Drive does not write?

      Certainly it will, but I hope that you also understand the specifics of the use of strategic missile carriers: they will destroy the S-500 division near Kaluga, and your cowards will be ripped off by a nuclear wave near Tver.
      Why all this bravado, if it will be bad for everyone, and all adequate people, of whom there are also enough in the United States, understand this very well
      1. +2
        22 September 2021 12: 14
        This is not bravado, this is an answer, this is a statement of fact, which can surely happen if Americans of extraordinary intelligence try to destroy our complex.
        Here are just adequate Americans is nonsense.
        They are cannibals and fascists. And their democracy is fascist.
        All the evil in the world is from them.
        1. +2
          22 September 2021 12: 59
          There are different ones. The so-called deep America is patriotic, but in no way attracts the title of fascists. Home, family work is what these people live by. And now it is not easy for them when the Freemasons are destroying the foundations of an adequate person.
          1. -1
            22 September 2021 16: 48
            Quote: Essex62
            There are different ones. The so-called deep America is patriotic, but in no way attracts the title of fascists. Home, family work is what these people live by. And now it is not easy for them when the Freemasons are destroying the foundations of an adequate person.

            Now I'm going to cry out of pity.
            1. -1
              22 September 2021 17: 13
              No one expects such a reaction from you. The fact that the Naglosaki civilization is anti-human, predatory and rotten to dispute and did not think of a foe. Clarification made.
              1. +1
                24 September 2021 07: 58
                Naglosaki civilization is anti-human ...

                You might think that the Kremlin's Russophobes are better. Russia is dying out like during an atomic war. And this is called a "peaceful" life?
                1. 0
                  24 September 2021 09: 25
                  Duc and by whom are these Russophobes planted in the Kremlin, as Gauleiters? And there were different people, at different times. The last 30 years, like that. Well Duc, for which they fought (with the dictatorship of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union), and ran into it.
      2. -1
        22 September 2021 19: 32
        Quote: Bshkaus
        The S-500 battalion near Kaluga is insignificant, and your cowards will be ripped off by a nuclear wave near Tver.

        why so little? in Chukotka will tear off the panties)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))), will they destroy on the march? )))))))))))))))
    3. 0
      24 September 2021 07: 39
      will lead to the destruction of New York and Washington

      What a silly fantasy? After Kursk, both New York and Washington remained in place. "She drowned ..."
  3. +6
    22 September 2021 10: 31
    The fact that the opponent is serious is understandable. Once again, it shows that you need to be on the lookout.
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 13: 45
      Quote: Magic Archer
      The fact that the opponent is serious is understandable. Once again, it shows that you need to be on the lookout.

      A serious adversary realizes that striking a military facility on Russian territory will trigger a chain reaction with Poseidons, Zircons, Vanguards, etc., etc. and, therefore, we have before us an elementary horror story for the Congress, for breaking the bubble: wink
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 08: 19
        Still they were there, you are listing the product And so yes, we will win
  4. +3
    22 September 2021 10: 31
    Democracy can be calm, they made a new carrier for it)
  5. +14
    22 September 2021 10: 33
    But it really became interesting to me, what is this "raider" capable of, what could not, for example, B2?
    Even less EPR?
    Well Duc is not zero, but not in any range. Such a shelezyaka in meters will glow like a Christmas tree.
    Again, it is unlikely that they are seriously considering the option of entering the zone of our air defense by the plane itself, which means that "cunning" missiles / bombs with a long range are needed. If this is the Joint Directed Attack Munition (JDAM) and the AGM-158 Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM), then this is no longer new. Even oldies B52 and F16 can do them.
    Or maybe he has some kind of super-powerful electronic warfare station? Doubtful.
    So go to the usual advertising noodles.
    1. +8
      22 September 2021 10: 38
      what can this "raider" do that he couldn’t, for example, B2

      He knows how to be cheaper. But it is not exactly.
      1. -1
        22 September 2021 13: 59
        He knows how to be cheaper. But it is not exactly.

        Anecdote in the topic:
        - Fool, why did you buy 200 identical pans?
        - Expensive, but when buying 200 pieces there was a $ 2 discount on them! We made $ 400!
    2. 0
      22 September 2021 11: 18
      ... Such a shelezyaka in meters will glow like a Christmas tree.

      EPR will not differ much from decimeter
      EPR increases if the size of the main elements is much smaller than the wavelength.
      Therefore, the flying wing, in order to noticeably increase the RCS, the radar wavelength must be under a hundred meters.
      1. +2
        22 September 2021 12: 17
        Quote: Avior
        Therefore, the flying wing, in order to noticeably increase the RCS, the radar wavelength must be under a hundred meters.

        Not this way. The size of the gland should be comparable to the wavelength. And in a big way. Absorbent coatings operate in the shortwave range. Another thing is that long-wave radars require high pulse powers. Well, kilowatts are not a pity for a good deed.
        1. 0
          22 September 2021 12: 26
          The issue is not only in the absorbing coating, but also in the dimensions of the structural elements. If the radar wavelength exceeds the dimensions of the structural elements, the RCS begins to increase
          In the case of B2, for example, the structure is uniform, the size is about 50 meters. Therefore, in reality, any noticeable growth is obtained at a hundred-meter wavelength.
          If invisibility was achieved only with an absorbing coating, the B-52 would have been painted long ago and the problem would have been forgotten.
        2. +1
          22 September 2021 13: 34
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Another thing is that long-wave radars require high pulse powers.

          On the contrary, meter radar radars consume less than decimeter (extremely decimeter) ones.
          But over-the-horizon radars of the decameter range, perhaps more, but this is a completely different design. For decameter radar, there is no stealth at all. The meter can see, but at a slightly shorter range.
  6. +2
    22 September 2021 10: 36
    Don't say "gop" ... Although ... what Maybe they meant "S-500 missile destroyers"? The fact that the bomber was also a kirdyk, according to his American habit, was shyly kept silent. winked
  7. HAM
    0
    22 September 2021 10: 37
    They said something similar about F117 ... only Cs were lower numbers ... and where is F117 now?
  8. PPD
    0
    22 September 2021 10: 37
    About 500 we know that it is, nothing else, 21 is being developed, and so optimism is gone?
    What are the reasons? Is the equipment very special there? Plastic engines, no temperature at all, EPR with a negative value, over-the-horizon radar on board with the ability to fire with it?
    And give such bad headlines ...
    Some kind of just yellow press in the style - "you won't believe it, but .."
  9. +2
    22 September 2021 10: 39
    In the US press, the B-21 Raider stealth bombers under construction were called the "destroyers" of the Russian S-500 air defense systems
    ... Come on, the media may not call it that. Chewing gum for the layman.
  10. 0
    22 September 2021 10: 42
    I would say that they started an advertising campaign, but no, such equipment is not sold on the side.
    For internal use, nothing else.
  11. +3
    22 September 2021 10: 49
    The US Air Force has already supported the acquisition of 145 of these aircraft for the needs of military aviation. Now all that remains is to resolve financial issues.

    So they stuck a fairy tale about the S-500 so that the inspired congressmen could easily vote for the allocation of funds.
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 12: 07
      Now all that remains is to resolve financial issues.

      Just like Khoja Nasretdin's. "The question with the wedding has been resolved. The floor is done. There is only one little thing left - to persuade the bride."
    2. -1
      22 September 2021 13: 04
      There are no stupid people among the congressmen. They will vote if the margin drops personally.
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 04: 20
        Hello ... so I think so ... B-2 Spirit under 2 billion greens in a circle comes out for the Yankes, I wonder how much this wunderwolf called B-21 Ryder will cost then ... Well, I won't believe it in my life what is cheaper ... But what about sawing ... or the military lobby of the Yankes has sharply retrained into non-silversmiths. Sincerely
  12. +1
    22 September 2021 10: 51
    Oh, how these media love loud, bright statements. What will be your surprise when, at the time of the release of your destroyer, you will be shown the destroyer B-21 Raider. As if we were sitting with folded hands ...
    1. +1
      22 September 2021 11: 05
      Without outrageousness, newspapers will be boring and they will be harder to sell. So all the rules.
  13. +1
    22 September 2021 10: 52
    Do not boast on your way to the army, but boast on the way from the army ...
    1. +1
      22 September 2021 13: 39
      Quote: Roman 57 rus
      walking with rati ...

      Behold at the root! ... lol
  14. +1
    22 September 2021 11: 02
    Quote: prior
    And that the very first destroyed S-500 complex will lead to the destruction of New York and Washington,
    the American edition of The Drive does not write?

    Arguably, more depends on the place of use of the weapon. Let me explain: if air defense covers objects located on the territory of Russia, this is one thing, but if these objects are located on the territory of the same Syria and are served by the Syrians, then this is a different story. Completely different.
    1. 0
      24 September 2021 08: 29
      And who will give them the S-500? And actually why? There the usual military manages with a bang, in the hands of our specialists the truth.
      1. 0
        24 September 2021 08: 38
        Let not the Syrians, let the others. Not the point is important. And the five hundred will also be sold. Just like the 400s are being sold today
        1. 0
          24 September 2021 08: 49
          There will be, but not earlier than they themselves will have something cooler.
          1. 0
            24 September 2021 09: 59
            Well, you see, you agreed with me
  15. 0
    22 September 2021 11: 07
    The Americans are constantly creating offensive weapons, and the USSR and Russia to defend themselves. Even this article confirms this. But the aggressor and destabilizer of the world is always Russia. It's just that they are strong on the info field, giving the world black for white.
  16. 0
    22 September 2021 11: 07
    When they ... "finish building" it, in which there is a certain amount of doubt, the S-500 will be replaced by the S-600 and this "killer" will turn into an ordinary ... target ... Although, in fairness, I must say, that the S-500 "sees" what the Yankees do not even suspect ...))
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 21: 18
      Although, in fairness, I must say that the S-500 "sees" what the Yankees do not even suspect ...))
      === But of course you know ....
  17. -1
    22 September 2021 11: 08
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    But it really became interesting to me, what is this "raider" capable of, what could not, for example, B2?
    Even less EPR?
    Well Duc is not zero, but not in any range. Such a shelezyaka in meters will glow like a Christmas tree.
    Again, it is unlikely that they are seriously considering the option of entering the zone of our air defense by the plane itself, which means that "cunning" missiles / bombs with a long range are needed. If this is the Joint Directed Attack Munition (JDAM) and the AGM-158 Joint Air to Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM), then this is no longer new. Even oldies B52 and F16 can do them.
    Or maybe he has some kind of super-powerful electronic warfare station? Doubtful.
    So go to the usual advertising noodles.

    Hello. The ERP will be even smaller. It will fly at high altitude, can travel long distances, and is cheap at only $ 500 million per plane (by American standards). Missile launches at a distance of several thousand kilometers to the target. Large carrying capacity. The improvements are not revolutionary, but in all significant ways. Plus a large series.
    1. -2
      22 September 2021 14: 24
      Will fly at high altitude

      A clumsy subsonic bast sharpened for invisibility - at a high altitude ???
  18. +4
    22 September 2021 11: 19
    This is called an arms race. We give them S-500, they give us B-21, we give them S-600, they give us B-22, we give them S-100500, they give us B-20021, etc., ad infinitum. And it is far from the fact that someone will attack someone, the main thing is that everything is in business, the military-industrial complex is working, money is being sawed, everyone is happy and happy!
    1. +2
      22 September 2021 13: 06
      Then the boys from the Alpha Centauri will come and disperse everyone in their burrows. And lo and behold, they will all be blacks and communists!
  19. 0
    22 September 2021 11: 46
    If B21 Ryder were separate, and everything else was in place, then this article may have a grain of accuracy in connection with special tactical techniques, but there is a lot of variation. Since the beginning of the C500 the system is MOBILE, which means that no one will wait for it to be destroyed! (Even C125 they could not find 1999 and with B2 and F117 together).
    Another radar of the new generation ROAFAR is on the way.
    The third new GR is more range on the way.
    Etc ....
    , except for the cut of the US budget and that the printers will operate the press in 3 shift.
  20. -8
    22 September 2021 11: 50
    Considering the absolute superiority of the Americans in electronics, here is the advantage of the attacker (initiative + surprise factor, here is the mobility: the plane flies, and the complex stands still) - the Americans will be the first to discover the complex. They will be the first to strike, that is, they will destroy. This is actually quite simple - remember how the Turks easily mowed dozens of Armor in Libya with penny Bairaks and defeated Khaftar, recall how the Azerbaijanis carried out the Armenian air defense with the same Bairaks. You can also recall the Israeli tactics - they have many years of experience in opening even the most dense air defense, it happened more than once in Egypt that even the one built by Soviet specialists and with Soviet operators was super easy to overcome. So, most likely, the Americans are not lying. I foresee that as the airborne assault disappeared, so now things are heading towards the complete extinction of the air defense. Then there will be an era of merciless air terror, the result of which will be the disappearance of ground forces - they will no longer be needed, because they will be completely defenseless.
    1. +4
      22 September 2021 12: 04
      You are considering spherical combat in a vacuum. Why are you discounting over-the-horizon radars, radio razorvetka and other early warning systems. The question has been raised more than once that both at the beginning of the 2nd Iraqi and before the start of the bombing of Yugoslavia, the radio broadcast knew before the first bombs and tomogavki flew to the target.
      Consequently, in the presence of potential aggression from a potential enemy, at least 1 A-50 will be lifted into the air, for which this Iron is just perfectly visible. And as a maximum, not only 1 A-50 will be in the air, but also covering squadrons.
      As for the actions of the UAV, let me remind you that the failures in the defense against these complexes consisted of outdated radar systems. Let me remind you that the Khmeimim airbase was attacked more than once, and only for the first time three dozen UAVs broke through to the base.
    2. 0
      22 September 2021 12: 06
      Iyo, horses. The presence of nuclear weapons is absolutely necessary for every state. From Sudan to ........ Palestine
    3. AML
      +2
      22 September 2021 12: 07
      According to your logic, today the Russian Federation defeated the United States. Tu-160s fly thousands of kilometers and are fired at thousands of kilometers. Have you told the Americans about this?
    4. +4
      22 September 2021 12: 09
      Share the recipe for abuse (what interfered with?) ... Really, you were "stuck".
      Did you serve in the ZRV? Read the experience of military operations carefully. Regarding the radio-electronic component, I will simply say: Where are you going to hide this "uepupolu" from the long-wave radars? Will be visible without disrupting the speaker.
      And to launch an anti-radar missile, he does not care to enter the zone.
      Reality should be separated from advertising.
    5. 0
      22 September 2021 13: 35
      Quote: Basarev
      I foresee that as the airborne assault disappeared, now the matter is heading towards the complete extinction of the air defense. Then there will be an era of merciless air terror, the result of which will be the disappearance of ground forces - they will no longer be needed, because they will be completely defenseless.

      Does the trooper know he's gone? Will the air defense, ground troops die, will only a full-fledged US army remain? I beg you - share the recipe, otherwise it doesn't stick with vodka ... wassat
      1. 0
        22 September 2021 16: 06
        This is true. The landing began to die out immediately after the war. Let us recall the exorbitant losses during the capture of Crete - in the most literal sense, they were pelted with corpses. And let's remember the Afghan episode - then, to detect the positions of the spirits, they dropped a landing from sandbags. And then they checked - not a single bag without bullet holes. Since even the spirits were able to riddle, then the regular army will cope all the more. Not to mention how slow and noticeable such a whopper as the Il-76 is. The Airborne Forces are now just elite infantry. Well, over-the-horizon radars are even easier with them. They will not go anywhere or hide. They also glow remarkably for hundreds of kilometers. You don't even need to approach them - it's enough to fire cruise missiles from overseas. Aviation is omnipotent, and non-aviation powers will be convinced of this more than once.
        1. +3
          22 September 2021 17: 33
          Quote: Basarev
          And let's remember the Afghan episode - then, too, to detect the positions of the spirits, they dropped a landing from sandbags. And then they checked - not a single bag without bullet holes.

          belay So it was a distraction that ensured the completion of the task for the ground group. Yes If I'm not mistaken, it was Panjshir ... hi
        2. 0
          22 September 2021 17: 35
          Quote: Basarev
          The Airborne Forces are now just elite infantry.

          Shout it out in the park, louder on August XNUMXnd ... bully
        3. +3
          22 September 2021 17: 41
          Quote: Basarev
          Well, over-the-horizon radars are even easier with them. They will not go anywhere or hide. They also glow remarkably for hundreds of kilometers. You don't even need to approach them - it's enough to fire cruise missiles from overseas.

          Remind: your air defense is already extinct? Well, since this is the case, the missile defense will have to take the rap for both ... lol laughing fool
          1. -1
            22 September 2021 19: 54
            So it was a distraction that ensured the completion of the task for the ground group.

            The point is not in this, but in the fact that the miserable hicks with the AK so easily destroyed the entire wave of the landing. If there were living people, they would all have perished. Imagine the situation: the great Soviet airborne forces unrequitedly merged about the spirits. It's a shame, I already want to cry. And now remember that potential friends have not only machine guns, but also better training, and other troops are helping ... There is no point in denying: airborne assault is a losing idea.
            Well, since this is the case, the missile defense will have to take the rap for both ...

            There isn't much of a difference. The point is that all defense systems against air threats - aircraft or missiles - are fairly easy to overcome. You can use cunning maneuvers, like the Jews, you can defend yourself by distance and height, you can simply overwhelm with quantity - the options are different. And the missile defense capabilities are far from unlimited.
            1. +4
              22 September 2021 20: 40
              Quote: Basarev
              just like that, they wiped out the entire wave of the landing. If there were living people, they would all have perished.

              why fantasize? landing operations in Afghanistan were carried out, from helicopters
        4. +2
          22 September 2021 20: 23
          Quote: Basarev
          enough to fire cruise missiles from overseas.

          why write nonsense? bourgeois do not have cruise missiles capable of penetrating armor
          1. +1
            22 September 2021 20: 44
            The shells will be silenced by that time, swept away by cheap drones. Few people know that an offensive is also echeloned against an echeloned defense. And if someone miraculously survives, it is quite possible to crush the mass. Believe me, for the sake of such a goal as an over-the-horizon radar, competitors do not hesitate to even fire thousands of missiles in one salvo. Even with the strongest opposition, a couple of dozen will still break through.
            1. +2
              22 September 2021 20: 47
              Quote: Basarev
              The shells will be silenced by that time, swept away by cheap drones.

              how, and why not nanorats - crawl and eat all the electronics?
              1. -1
                22 September 2021 21: 09
                Indeed. I read that the Americans are successfully testing a tiny UAV - the size of a heat trap. There may be hundreds of them on board even a fighter jet. And each - with a charge of explosives. Such drones can fold into different patterns, introducing visual clutter and making it difficult for operators to work. They can fearlessly attack Carapace - the missile will turn out to be almost several times more expensive than the target, and the whole swarm of many hundreds of vehicles will not shoot down - there simply will not be enough ammunition. Nobody can stop them. And most importantly, such a swarm of tiny penny cars is only a small part of a huge unmanned complex. From huge machines like the Hunter to kamikaze drones. Loyal followers, intermediate carriers - there is a drone for every military situation. But drones are only comrades of manned aviation. And together they are an invincible combat system.
                1. +1
                  23 September 2021 00: 43
                  Quote: Basarev
                  And together they are an invincible combat system.

                  This invincible system will be dispersed by shrapnel derivation in half an hour
                  1. 0
                    23 September 2021 09: 00
                    This invincible system will be dispersed by shrapnel derivation in half an hour

                    Could. In the presence of a Massive projectile with an air blast. And no less massive presence of derivation itself in the troops. But we see only a few exhibition samples. And besides, I have not in vain mentioned other drones besides the swarm of the smallest ones. Medium-large, like Akinchi, can feel at ease, hiding at an unattainable height. And bomb the derivation with impunity. In general, everything is as I said: an echeloned offensive against an echeloned defense. UAVs, manned aircraft, missiles ... No air defense can resist against a properly constructed formation.
                    1. 0
                      23 September 2021 17: 50
                      Quote: Basarev
                      In the presence of a Massive projectile with an air blast.

                      the presence of a mass projectile with an air blast is expected if the enemy has a massive "invincible system")
                2. +1
                  23 September 2021 06: 26
                  in any case, the opinion is important and interesting. I think the MO is not stupid people, they reason the same way. Plus to you.
                3. +1
                  24 September 2021 11: 56
                  Americans are successfully testing a tiny UAV - the size of a heat trap.

            2. +1
              24 September 2021 11: 49
              Believe me, for the sake of such a goal as an over-the-horizon radar, competitors do not hesitate to even fire thousands of missiles in one salvo.

              Why thousands? A few pieces are enough to disable unguarded electrical and water supply systems (pumping stations, water intake, water supply, power substations).
              Over-the-horizon radar without cooling does not work!
          2. +1
            24 September 2021 11: 40
            the bourgeois do not have cruise missiles capable of penetrating the armor

            Why go through them? You can fly around in 15-20 km.
            1. 0
              24 September 2021 18: 35
              Quote: VasYok
              the bourgeois do not have cruise missiles capable of penetrating the armor

              Why go through them? You can fly around in 15-20 km.

              and meet the following
              1. 0
                25 September 2021 10: 50
                and meet the following

                Tell me, how many Shells do you need to cover the entire border of the Russian Federation? If its total length is 60 km.
                Maybe all the same it is worth admitting that the air defense of the Russian Federation is not able to cope with the defense of the country from the Kyrgyz Republic? Is it better to tell people the truth and not mislead them?
                1. 0
                  25 September 2021 22: 12
                  Quote: VasYok
                  and meet the following

                  Tell me, how many Shells do you need to cover the entire border of the Russian Federation? If its total length is 60 km.
                  Maybe all the same it is worth admitting that the air defense of the Russian Federation is not able to cope with the defense of the country from the Kyrgyz Republic? Is it better to tell people the truth and not mislead them?

                  tomoghawks are not vanguards, do not peck the brain
                  1. -2
                    12 October 2021 19: 57
                    tomoghawks are not avant-gardes

                    Quite right. The difference is obvious. Tomahawks will find their target. But the Vanguards on missiles from the Ukrainian garbage dump from the Dombarovsky positioning area do not reach America.
                    1. 0
                      12 October 2021 22: 09
                      Quote: VasYok
                      Tomahawks will find their target.

                      ))))))))))))))) yeah, in Syria you saw
                      1. -1
                        16 October 2021 15: 33
                        ALL the tomahawks hit their mark. This is confirmed by satellite imagery. NATO wept at a briefing by g / m Konashenkov. laughing
                      2. 0
                        16 October 2021 16: 57
                        Quote: VasYok
                        ALL the tomahawks hit their mark. This is confirmed by satellite imagery. NATO wept at a briefing by g / m Konashenkov. laughing

                        )))))))))))) nobody forbids them to cry
  21. +1
    22 September 2021 11: 59
    Five! Karl, FIVE !!!
    And after construction, completion, adjustment, fine-tuning, software adjustments, writing updated software, upgrading key nodes and components, perfecting the stealth coating ... The Chinese will populate the moon.
  22. 0
    22 September 2021 11: 59
    B-21 Rider Tang Budget Destroyer. Rivet this bullshit more, it should complement the trash F-35 with dignity.
  23. -1
    22 September 2021 12: 10
    Let's start with the s-400 first ...
    1. -1
      24 September 2021 12: 11
      Let s-400 start first

      "The US Navy has conducted the first combat test of the AGM-88G Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range (AARGM-ER) supersonic anti-radar missile, designed to destroy enemy missile defense systems," reports The Drive.
      The publication notes that during the tests, the missile, previously named the killer of the Russian S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems, "achieved all the goals set for this test."
      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2021/08/04/s400/
      1. 0
        24 September 2021 18: 38
        Quote: VasYok
        The publication notes that during the tests, the missile, previously named the killer of the Russian S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems, "achieved all the goals set for this test."

        it remains to get c400 to test it with c400)))))))))))
        1. -1
          18 October 2021 16: 38
          left to get c400 to test with c400

          This is where the Turkish С400 comes in handy.
          1. 0
            18 October 2021 17: 48
            Quote: VasYok
            left to get c400 to test with c400

            This is where the Turkish С400 comes in handy.

            they would be happy if without publicity, and without scanning the sky from f35)))
  24. +1
    22 September 2021 12: 11
    Quote: Bshkaus
    they will destroy the S-500 division near Kaluga, and they will rip your cowards off with a nuclear wave near Tver.

    Nude - nude. 261 km - what kind of rocket should it be? Or is it bullshit like a Ukrainian mriya - will it carry it on its back? Learn materiel and geography, "panties flapper" ....
  25. 0
    22 September 2021 12: 11
    As they say here in Russia: "..... don't move bags!" )))
  26. +3
    22 September 2021 12: 44
    I trudge from such experts. They are insolent. There are no materials to hide from radar of centimeter and decimeter ranges. distance of direct impact (500m-1km), the GOS "sees" objects with EPR the size of a tennis ball. And this is according to the systems of 90godov. I will assume that these "experts" take their "patriots" as the basis for their assessments and the complete absence of echeloned air defense as such in the United States. They measure themselves shorter.
    1. -1
      22 September 2021 13: 26
      Quote: shinobi
      I will assume that these "experts" take their "patriots" and the complete absence of echeloned air defense as such in the United States as a basis.

      Exactly. If we have the country's air defense, coupled with combined arms, they have nothing to catch. They will vparivat this tsatka to the little girls from Europa and others who are with grandmothers ... hi
  27. +4
    22 September 2021 12: 49
    To destroy the S-400 or S-500 air defense system, you must first find them. How will a bomber do this at a distance of 2000 km from the borders of the Russian Federation? Our air defense systems have different types of concealment at the deployment point. And also there are electronic warfare means that will certainly lead enemy missiles to the side (knock them off course). It is naive to think that American planes will sneak up unnoticed. Russian ground and air radar stations can perfectly see stealth aircraft - this has long been no secret to anyone.
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  29. +2
    22 September 2021 13: 16
    The Pentagon considers the most important task to gain advantages over the Russian S-500 systems.

    If we set the main task of a strategic bomber to destroy the air defense complex, then something is wrong in the American kingdom. Previously, the task of strategic aviation was to destroy important military bases, industrial facilities, administrative centers, cities. This required long-range bombers carrying a large number of bombs, now missiles, or a smaller number of nuclear weapons.
    And to destroy an air defense complex, even the best in the world, it is not at all necessary to have "large battalions" in the form of the B-21.
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 20: 45
      Quote: Peter is not the first
      to destroy an air defense complex, even the best in the world, it is not at all necessary to have "large battalions" in the form of the B-21.

      ett before creating zones A2 / HELL
    2. 0
      22 September 2021 23: 45
      Quote: Peter is not the first
      And to destroy an air defense complex, even the best in the world, it is not at all necessary to have "large battalions" in the form of the B-21.
      Duc they have more and have nothing to say about why they need this next superwaffle! Their strategy is that without airplanes - nowhere, and their airplanes cannot fly over the Russian Federation, and what to say in this case? Indeed, for a long time, the main thing for pin @ osni is not to do it, but to say what they are going to do! That's how they talk about the world. laughing
  30. -1
    22 September 2021 13: 16
    In the US press, the B-21 Raider stealth bombers under construction were called the "destroyers" of the Russian S-500 air defense systems

    For this pelvis and the C-125 for the eyes ... wassat
  31. -1
    22 September 2021 13: 21
    But first, these aircraft will need to be tested, and they will arrive directly at the US Air Force only in the middle of the decade. This is despite the fact that the S-500 air defense system has already begun to enter service with the RF Armed Forces.

    If the S-500 takes over on duty, then the design bureau is designing the next complex and when this pelvis flies, another surprise will be ready for it, which means that this plane will not be useful on the Eastern Front ... fool
  32. 0
    22 September 2021 13: 37
    The operator c500 will see this flying cake begin to move along the runway.
  33. -1
    22 September 2021 14: 00
    nya ksk always, have not jumped yet, and already the gop are yelling. They do not know the performance characteristics of the S-500, they do not know the performance characteristics of the B-21, but already, we, they, yes we, yes, just do ...
  34. -1
    22 September 2021 14: 03
    American transvestites, as always, have not jumped yet, and already the gop are yelling. They do not know the performance characteristics of the S-500, they do not know the performance characteristics of the B-21, but already, we, they, yes we, yes, just do, ..... [/ quote]
  35. 0
    22 September 2021 14: 13
    write and boast on paper, but the scribblers forgot about the ravines. this flying aluminum metal is just useful for making pots and pans for the RUSSIAN kitchen for housewives. let everyone praise
  36. 0
    22 September 2021 14: 25
    Each bomber is capable of destroying 2 missiles from S 500 at a distance of up to 400 km, without giving them a chance! You can't argue ... a destroyer, of course.
    1. -1
      22 September 2021 17: 51
      Quote: sleeve
      Each bomber is capable of destroying 2 missiles from S 500 at a distance of up to 400 km, without giving them a chance! You can't argue ... a destroyer, of course.

      And the third one - does it eat? bully
      1. 0
        22 September 2021 22: 11
        Overkill will be)
  37. +1
    22 September 2021 20: 02
    Presumably, the planes will be stationed at Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota, then at Whiteman Air Force Base (Missouri) and Dyce (Texas).
    Therefore, immediately minus three states - they live richly, in the hall. fellow laughing
  38. 0
    22 September 2021 20: 56
    It is not correct and stupid to give pretentious names to new weapons. This is for the dumb and uneducated common people / patriots to get the message across. Killers of aircraft carriers, air defense, cockroaches and others.
  39. 0
    22 September 2021 23: 38
    Experts believe that the new bomber will be less visible to enemy radar systems due to a decrease in the effective scattering area.
    Yeah, invisible - the fighter was done, now they took up the bomber! I think that a bomber jacket with a similar result will turn out - both visible and unreliable.
    1. 0
      23 September 2021 11: 59
      Quote: businessv
      Yeah, invisible - the fighter was done, now they took up the bomber! I think that a bomber jacket with a similar result will turn out - both visible and unreliable.

      In Yugoslavia, they have already landed the newest and invisible, with the C-125 ... wassat
  40. 0
    22 September 2021 23: 56
    Quote: Ilya Polonsky
    This is despite the fact that the S-500 air defense system has already begun to enter service with the RF Armed Forces.

    belay
    The third article by this author is this ... let's just say: with a smell
    when did they start?
    The new generation S-500 air defense system is being mass-produced, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told Interfax. President Vladimir Putin said at the end of June that the S-500 air defense system would soon be on alert. The start of serial deliveries is scheduled for 2025.



    1. Yuri Borisov has been "producing" the SU-57 in series since 2015 and has
    Yuri Borisov he is like that at all
    Yuri Borisov did not rule out that India will become the first buyer of the S-500 air defense system

    belay
    epresete
    https://rg.ru/2021/09/16/iurij-borisov-ne-iskliuchil-chto-indiia-stanet-pervym-pokupatelem-zrk-s-500.html

    2. In the news of PJSC "NPO" Almaz "this" news "does not pass request
    https://raspletin.com/press-tsentr-44800/nashi-novosti
    3.
    Quote: Ilya Polonsky
    Earlier, another American publication, The National Interest, wrote that the B-21 Raider would be invulnerable to the promising Russian S-500 Prometheus anti-aircraft missile systems.

    light mascara, sushi paddles, since The National Interes wrote. So be it
    PS why does the author reprint this yellow press-xs (the Pechenegs and Polovtsians only know)
  41. 0
    23 September 2021 01: 46
    Especially if they, by definition, cannot know all the performance characteristics of the latest Russian air defense-missile defense systems.

    Here I would not be so rash ...
    Of course, they cannot know specific performance characteristics. However, theoretically, they could somehow get around the very principles of action all current systems. Fortunately, there are plenty of minds, and there is a lot of dough.

    In a word, until it really flies, we will not know anything. Don't throw your hats ahead of time. As it is not necessary and ahead of time to shout about "super-weapons", of course. Only real practice will show everything.
  42. +1
    23 September 2021 07: 35
    In the US press, the B-21 Raider stealth bombers under construction were called the "destroyers" of the Russian S-500 air defense systems

    The B-21 Raider has long-range stealth cruise missiles. He does not need to enter the S-500's engagement zone, unless, of course, the latter operate from an "ambush". In this regard, our Tu-160 will be as effective as the B-21. And in the event of a nuclear war, small missiles with a tactical nuclear charge can be developed to break through the air defense, which will explode even in the event of an attempt to intercept the missile.
    1. 0
      24 September 2021 08: 58
      Any attempt to open the nuclear weapons of our air defense will lead to what? Right! To a full-fledged response missile strike on the territory of the United States. And the issue with civilization and the United States in particular will be closed for the next 300-400 years.
      1. 0
        24 September 2021 12: 35
        ... To a retaliatory full-fledged missile strike on US territory.

        Does Mr. Putin know about this? Or is it just your personal idea? You would first consult with senior comrades who have settled in the rear of the enemy, before writing such lines.
    2. 0
      24 September 2021 12: 28
      In this regard, our Tu-160 will be as effective as the B-21.

      Nothing like this! The deepest delusion.
      Tu160 is detected by SBIRS satellites (American early warning system) anywhere in the world, and Capella-2 satellites even in the hangar. The clamshell has no stealth at all.
  43. 0
    23 September 2021 10: 41
    It's good that they are expensive and you need a lot of them
  44. 0
    23 September 2021 13: 34
    The X-95 shoots down targets at 1500 km. The X-125 will shoot down targets at 5000 km. They have no chance.
  45. 0
    24 September 2021 08: 42
    I can’t understand why everyone clung to the S-500 so much? The S-500 is a long-range link in the chain of our air defense. The shell and Thor, direct line-of-sight protection. The S-400, close and medium distances. The C-500 is medium and close. S-500, for a start, the B-21 will have to break through its security, and this is Armor and Tora. The latest events in Syria show that without the use of nuclear weapons it will be extremely difficult. Well, how the strike of nuclear weapons on the territory of Russia will end up well known for a long time.
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  46. 0
    24 September 2021 09: 50
    Popular mechanics, of course, is the publishing house. The US press is, of course, the faculty, the press, the mazofak.
    Destroyer S-500, Taliban, rabies and Mexican pirates. Invisible and flat, like the heads of those who write this nonsense.