Foreign Policy Seeks To Explain Why Australia Needs Nuclear Submarines

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Foreign Policy, a reputable publication in the West, tried to analyze what is happening, presenting the reasons for the decision of the Australian authorities - as well as further prospects for Australia's participation in the triple cooperation project with the United States and Great Britain.

Six Collins class submarines are in need of replacement for decommissioning by 2026. Against the backdrop of an outdated and shrinking arsenal of Australia, there is practically nothing to oppose to the rapidly growing the fleet China. According to observers, France was no longer able to meet current needs: since the beginning of cooperation in 2016 between the Australian customer represented by the Ministry of Defense and the French contractor (DCNS, later renamed the "Naval Group"), contradictions arose that reached an insurmountable degree.



The project for the joint construction of 12 Attack class diesel submarines based on the Shortfin Barracuda Block 1A series for the needs of the Australian Navy was initially tested. On the eve of the official signing of the contract with Paris, there was a scandalous leak of data that shed light on the details of the deal. Opposition forces took advantage of the blunder, and the ruling Liberal Party managed to hush up the scandal only with great difficulty. However, later on, new problems arose.

Canberra hoped that the choice of a contractor would guarantee the opening up prospects for access to nuclear technology. And over time, in cooperation with Paris, it will be possible to modernize the fleet by replacing diesel power plants in submarines with nuclear reactors. However, the French, according to Foreign Policy, were in no hurry to share technological secrets: at the same time, realizing the vulnerability of the Australian side's positions, they constantly dragged out the deadlines and tried to revise the terms of the deal - in an advantageous way, of course.

As a result, the total costs for Canberra threatened to increase from the initial 50 to 90 billion Australian dollars (about 56 billion euros in terms of the current exchange rate). And this is already comparable to the cost of nuclear submarines. And this is supposedly why in Australia they drew attention to the possibility of acquiring just such submarines. The argument, I must say, is highly dubious.

Another negative factor that influenced the decision to break with Paris was the deadlock in the implementation of agreements on the share of labor force participation. From the original 90% Australian workforce on the project, France wanted to reduce this figure to 60%. It was about the loss of 2 skilled jobs, a blow to the reputation of the ruling party in Canberra.

It made no sense to regret that in 2016 Australia gave preference to French shipbuilders, rejecting projects from Germany and Japan. Neither Berlin nor Tokyo, for obvious reasons, were able to offer a full-fledged prospect of joining the so-called club of nuclear powers, which Canberra was striving for. But high chances of getting the coveted status opened up in the event of a strategic turn towards Washington and London.

What is Australia hoping to gain - and what will it have to sacrifice? Firstly, this is the notorious and previously severely lame modernization of the fleet, with the prospect of developing a whole range of branches of national industry and science in the framework of technological cooperation with the United States and Great Britain.

American submarines of the Virginia class with the S9G nuclear reactor with a capacity of up to 190 megawatts will definitely give odds to the Chinese diesel submarines, while the US reactors have characteristics comparable to the Russian OK-650 reactor, which are installed on Project 971 submarines (Akula class). The list of British designs includes ballistic missile submarines aboard the Vanguard class and the Astute class.

The implementation of the program for the transfer of Australian submarines to "nuclear drive" also includes the modernization of not only power units, but also other systems: in particular, we are talking about new generations of lithium-ion batteries and the expedient introduction of air-independent fuel cells (AIP).

Second, the Australian authorities expect benefits in terms of budget savings and partial resolution of employment problems. In these areas, Washington and London have promised not to be greedy. In exchange for the place of the next power with a nuclear status, Canberra is ready to provide its defense and industrial infrastructure with all the advantages of a continent close to the Pacific theater of operations, which is strategically important for the United States and England.

How everything will turn out in reality, no one knows. Given the specifics of Washington's foreign policy approaches, drawing Australia into the contour of a potential military confrontation with China is fraught with risks, which the Australian Cabinet of Ministers could not calculate ... or did not want to - under pressure from the United States.
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  1. +7
    21 September 2021 13: 07
    The reorientation to atomarines is a change of strategy, from a defensive one, where there was a place for a diesel submarine guarding its coast, Australia is trying to move to an offensive, with access to the Ocean. Given that they still consider China an enemy
    1. +14
      21 September 2021 13: 11
      Australians do not need this, other Anglo-Saxons need this ...
      1. +6
        21 September 2021 13: 14
        Quote: Finches
        Australians do not need this, other Anglo-Saxons need this ...

        And they are the same "Naglo-Saxons" ... In any case, they never forgot it, constantly fighting for Nagliya
        1. 0
          21 September 2021 13: 14
          I wrote - other Anglo-Saxons hi
          1. +1
            21 September 2021 13: 16
            Quote: Finches
            I wrote - to other Anglo-Saxons

            "Others" - this is insulting to them ... hi wink
            1. +6
              21 September 2021 13: 26
              The musketeers were thrown by the cowboys laughing
              1. +2
                21 September 2021 14: 38
                Quote: Silver bullet
                The musketeers were thrown by the cowboys laughing

                =======
                good Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! drinks
            2. -3
              21 September 2021 13: 37
              There in Australia, except for the descendants of convicts, only come in large numbers - nothing offended them! laughing
            3. +13
              21 September 2021 14: 39
              Oddly enough, but the really language issue has a role here. We are talking about the arms contract of the century and French-speaking engineers with specifications in French will really lead to problems and rise in price. Also, the Franks wanted to run their Barracuda without reactors in the diesel-electric submarine version, and the prospect of transferring to the nuclear submarine, of course, is distant and the prices, as indicated, will soar. Briefly speaking. they were rewarded for the mistrals.

              With regards to the block, Australia is an ideal second-tier location. If Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, with the current development of technology, quickly fly into the air, Guam is not far off either. if the PRC strikes first, and the United States and Britain are far away, then Australia is just right. And the bases are not in hostile territory like Afghanistan or Pakistan. In general, after the failure of the Heartland and Rimland doctrines, it is very interesting to observe the formation of a new doctrine of the Anglo-Saxons, where the Russian Federation is not the center of events, but a popcorn eater. In general, in Europe, and in most of Asia, it will be calmer. Here in Oceania and the Chinese seas, let the burning junks float.
              1. +2
                21 September 2021 15: 02
                In general, after the failure of the Heartland and Rimland doctrines

                Did I miss something?
                Whoever controls Rimland controls Eurasia, and who controls Eurasia controls the destinies of the whole world.
                What has changed then?
                1. +5
                  21 September 2021 15: 31
                  Quote: Garrett
                  What has changed then?

                  Everything has changed. When Mackinder formulated the Heartland doctrine that whoever owns the Heartland owns the planet. Britain accepted it and did everything to capture the Heartland. Unleashed a world war with revolutions and destroyed rival empires, namely Russian, Austro-Hungarian, Kaiser Germany, Ottoman and Chinese. France was greatly weakened. The main blow fell on Russia, like most of the Heartland, was the intervention, i.e. occupation led by Britain, but the USSR was born. The British also unleashed the Second World War, creating the Reich, but as a result of the war they collapsed themselves. It was the failure of the Heartland doctrine, ending with the death of the British Empire. But the United States strengthened, helped Britain to collapse and accepted the Rimland doctrine formulated by Speakman. Where Heartland does not need to be captured directly, but it is necessary to strangle it with an "Anaconda loop" and eventually capture it. But the anaconda is torn to shreds, from Turkey to Japan - a hole. The last stronghold of the doctrine was Afghan, but bye, bye. Those. the final failure of the Heartland-Rimland doctrine. The US itself is on the verge of falling. Loss of hegemony and internal division. Actually, the EU also sent the United States. If they do not hold the APR, then the Anglo-Saxons, that's it.
                  1. +1
                    21 September 2021 15: 59
                    Everything has changed.

                    Sorry, why so many emotions laughing Heartland and Rimland are scientific concepts (geopolitics).
                    The Heartland is a large, geographically advantageous country. The Heartland is an established reality. Like the climate. Or the presence of black soil. Or the warm sea. Or energy resources.
                    Examples of heartlands: USA, Russia, China, Germany.
                    A large territorial union attracts the Rimland. These are satellite countries. You can be indignant at this - you are always welcome, but changing the location and geopolitical characteristics of a country is just as likely as changing the presence / absence of sea or oil in a country.
                    Therefore, the countries of rimland have, in general, three possibilities:
                    1. Be a partner country of the nearby heartland, go with it in "one package".
                    2. Be a buffer country. This means that the country has a clearly fixed non-aligned status.
                    3. To be a country-an abscess, a country-devastation, the eternal enemy of the nearby harland, spending all its natural and human resources to maintain this state.
                    You yourself can give a lot of examples.
                    Each established harland is, firstly, a unique historical unit, and secondly, a competitor (in a more active version, an enemy) to another heartland. That is why the last two world and most destructive wars took place between the two closest to each other Heartlands: Germany and Russia. That is why the United States now considers Russia and China to be its enemies.
                    ps It seems to me that you just did not understand the terminology a little.
                    1. +1
                      21 September 2021 16: 08
                      Read Speakman and Mackinder. Then you will understand why the USA surrounded the USSR with a chain of military bases. Strictly adhering to the doctrine.
                      1. +1
                        21 September 2021 16: 13
                        In general, after the failure of the Heartland and Rimland doctrines

                        Is that your phrase ??? Where did we start the conversation? With your assertion that the doctrine has failed. I politely pointed out to you that you may be mistaken.
                        Your answer
                        Read Speakman and Mackinder. Then you will understand why the USA surrounded the USSR with a chain of military bases. Strictly adhering to the doctrine.

                        A set of rules for a demagogue. (C) Yeah wink
                      2. 0
                        21 September 2021 16: 16
                        zs A lot has been written about this theory and its practical implications, there is something to read.
                        For example: "Geopolitics of the New Silk Road" http://romascha.livejournal.com/18156.html
                      3. 0
                        21 September 2021 16: 21
                        The doctrines adopted by the states on trust, determined their actions, eventually failed and which led to the death of Empires. The USA as an empire no longer exists. Neither regional powers nor allies are capable of dictating will. Germany sends on SP-2, France recalls ambassadors, Russia has surpassed in combat power, and China in economy.
                      4. +4
                        21 September 2021 21: 02
                        Quote: hrych
                        The USA as an empire no longer exists.

                        It still exists. She is still with her: the army, and alliances, and the economy. Though not 46% of the world, as it was in the mid-90s.

                        Quote: hrych
                        Neither regional powers nor allies are capable of dictating will.

                        Still capable. They took and muddied AUKUS so that capricious satellites (like France) would understand that the States, if necessary, can easily do without them. And arm stupid Australia ...
                        What I agree with you is that the power of the States is diminishing before our eyes.
                        But the most interesting thing will not happen tomorrow. wink
                      5. +1
                        21 September 2021 21: 18
                        Georgia, Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, Bolivia and Afghan for dessert. This is the ascent of the United States to the underworld. Where the United States showed its toothlessness. Not to mention the failure with Iran, Turkey, North Korea, Egypt and Pakistan. There was also a failure from Nicaragua, where the Sandinistas came to power again. The United States does not have the means to maintain hegemony, does not have the means for nuclear missile rearmament. And they themselves are not a rock-monolith, but a porous turd with a common confrontation between Democrats and Republicans. At the heart of the power of the United States was the myth of invincibility. There is no such myth. The bubble was blown out. Think AUKUS is an offensive block? No, this is a purely defensive bloc in order to try to maintain positions in the APR. A fortress of the second echelon is being made from Australia. And the beginning of the end - the fall of the black hawk, they showed their worthlessness there. Moreover, the film itself was shot about their weakness. And where? And with whom? And if not for the film, then maybe they would have forgotten. Then they were preparing to invade Russia, but in Mogadishu they showed complete failure. What the Pentagon strategists realized about their army.
                      6. +3
                        21 September 2021 21: 29
                        Quote: hrych
                        Not to mention the failure with Iran, Turkey, North Korea, Egypt and Pakistan.

                        With Iran, I'm afraid, everything is just beginning, and those who came to power there, in opposition to the States, came - those are still "peppers". All neighbors should be more attentive. And Israel - get ready. What we are seeing, IMHO.
                        Turkey is an absolute failure. The states underestimated our GDP and Erdogan miraculously survived. Yes
                        But he did not remove their base, nor did he leave NATO and shit on us wherever he can, together with an Englishwoman.
                        The DPRK is beyond competition. fellow
                        Elipet is as it was. Couldn't ruin it. KSA helped him a lot. But Ethiopia is digging the ground and how everything will be there is not clear.
                        Pakistan has been completely missed by the United States, and it seems irrevocably. Yes

                        Quote: hrych
                        Think AUKUS is an offensive block? No, this is a purely defensive block

                        The defensive block does not need nuclear submarines with CD. He is definitely offensive. Therefore, we started with the Premier League. But whether they will be able to attack when necessary is another question. hi
                      7. +3
                        21 September 2021 21: 44
                        Quote: Alex777
                        But he did not remove their base, nor did he leave NATO.

                        The point is that the money is spent, but there is no trust. They removed the Petriots from Incirlik, removed tactical nuclear weapons (bombs). Previously, they owned the sky of Turkey, but now please let me fly. Erdogan doesn't shit. This is a theatre. He provided us with the Syrian Express, he provided us with the Turkish Stream, he presented us with Karabakh and ensured pressure on Armenia that we were not fumbled with Gyumri. In Syria, he helps to crush the Kurds by training them out of love for the United States. In fact, it helps to quietly squeeze out the American invaders. He should be judged by his deeds, not by loud words. This is a tactic where he and Putin divorce everyone. This contract of the century with the nuclear submarine is designed for the mid-forties of the 21st century. And now only to strengthen the defense, to prepare stocks, etc.
                      8. +2
                        21 September 2021 21: 47
                        Quote: hrych
                        This is a tactic where he and Putin divorce everyone.

                        If it were not for the attacks on the Russian language throughout Central Asia, I would be glad to agree with you.
                        However, let's see what they will agree on on the 29th ...
                      9. +3
                        21 September 2021 21: 56
                        Now a new reality begins with the Taliban in the SA, so we'll see. And Erdogan will agree on everything, VVP saved his life and his family. Therefore, everything will be smooth.
                      10. +1
                        21 September 2021 23: 16
                        Quote: hrych
                        And Erdogan will agree on everything, VVP saved his life and his family. Therefore, everything will be smooth.

                        Let it be so. Yes
                  2. +1
                    24 September 2021 05: 49
                    I will add ... As for one of the reasons for WWI ... Few places say that until the beginning of the 20th century, England was a monopolist in the sale of nitrogen fertilizers, having colonies with their production ... In 1909, ammonia was synthesized in Germany, and the Germans threw off noose ... fuck became saltpeter from Chile and India + BB based on a \ nitrate
                    "Nitrogen bomb" ... With all that it implies, a competitor is not needed ... Given the growing population and the need for agricultural products and explosives, this was actually a declaration of war ...
                    By the way, the current relations between the West and the PRC are very reminiscent of this ... China has grown very much, not in rank ...
                    The reasons for WWII are purely the grating of the Anglo-Saxons among themselves for the post-war (WWII) division of the world ... the USA and England ...
                    The "great" Churchill, in fact, is sex with the United States, it was he who distributed immeasurably British territories and property (the British fleet) to the states for lend-lease ...
                    Unfortunately, both Germany and Russia were bargaining chips and cannon fodder - as subjects not needed by the Anglo-Saxons ...
                    The industrialization of the USSR and the modernization of Germany at the expense of the West, that's about it ...
                    But the USSR, thanks to the Soviet power and ideology, was able to get nishtyaks, which the enemies of the people who had not been killed, began to successfully merge into the West, after the poisoning of Generalissimo I. Stalin and the extrajudicial murder of Marshall Victory L. Beria ...
                    In 1987, the rotten nomenclature began with the laws on cooperation and foreign economic activity, and in 1993 ended with tank shots with the complete victory of capitalism on the territory of the USSR ...
                    As for the Heartland, it is very curious and informative ...
              2. 0
                22 September 2021 19: 11
                Then the Japanese will have a part of Australian territory to settle. What failed in World War II will succeed now.
      2. 0
        21 September 2021 13: 18
        Quote: Finches
        Australians do not need this, other Anglo-Saxons need this ...

        Yes, Australia can say that it has already lost the Chinese coal market, 10 railway brigades are rapidly building the second branch of the BAM to export huge volumes of coal from the Elga deposit to China in exchange for the Australian one.
    2. -1
      21 September 2021 13: 24
      Quote: svp67
      Given that they still consider China an enemy

      That's right, while
      Appetites are known to grow, especially since there are no neighbors equal in strength
      1. 0
        21 September 2021 14: 37
        the question is not in China (only?) - the growth of the population of Southeast Asia and other parts of Asia is more important - the trough is promising.
        AUSTRALIA WILL BE LOOKING FOR THIS PIECE OF WORLD \ PIE. Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, NZel-i, Papau-NG. South Africa, India and the coastal states of the Indian approx. - all with the expectation of long-term growth of the markets.
        Boris counted everything correctly, left the decrepit EU (there is no growth in income by 2050 and population - market size, stagnation) Europe has been mastered and the Germans, apparently, do not let the US impudently. for all the chatter about democracy, German cars and other goods are being sold. a curtain...
        Ross coal (Elga and others) + whose power stations and petrochem processing and textiles + auto, and so on. we will again be a raw material appendage of Western corporations. now in the Asian market.
        If we built in Asia the entire infrastructure for our coal to plastic. cups and light bulbs with panties and airplanes, furniture and house building - that would be a smart move. others celebrate .... Western banks (without EU) will weld on the next 2 billion people.
        this move by an electron-neutron is a long-term vector of development of Asia and the Pacific approx.

        after feeding on the Chinese coolies, a new hapok is needed.
  2. +2
    21 September 2021 13: 13
    The United States is building an anti-Chinese coalition in the Pacific. Australia is a well-fed hog that should be prepared for a potential meat grinder.
  3. +4
    21 September 2021 13: 17
    Quote: svp67
    Foreign Policy Seeks To Explain Why Australia Needs Nuclear Submarines

    Yes sir. The Naglo-Saxons, with their new alliance, dragged Australia into a new military doctrine.
    1. +7
      21 September 2021 13: 24
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Quote: svp67
      Foreign Policy Seeks To Explain Why Australia Needs Nuclear Submarines

      Yes sir. The Naglo-Saxons, with their new alliance, dragged Australia into a new military doctrine.

      Actually, Australia has long been a military bloc with the Americans and New Zealand - ANZUS! So there is nothing new here ...
      1. 0
        21 September 2021 14: 48
        And also in the British Commonwealth.
        So they should be up to the very slippers
    2. 0
      21 September 2021 14: 49
      Whether it will still be oh-oh hi
  4. +2
    21 September 2021 13: 18
    Quote: Finches
    Australians do not need this, other Anglo-Saxons need this ...

    That's right!
    Australia is another Pinocchio. In addition, China is, if not confusing, Australia's main trading partner. And in this sense, looking for a grater with China would look silly from the side of marsupials.
    1. +3
      21 September 2021 13: 24
      Quote: Tagan
      looking for a grater with China would look silly from the side of marsupials.

      so the French said that they would block the trade agreement of the Australians with the EU, there is already a "second front." trade terek ..
  5. +2
    21 September 2021 13: 20
    drawing Australia into the contour of a potential military confrontation with China is fraught with risks, which the Australian Cabinet of Ministers could not calculate ... or did not want to - under pressure from the United States.

    The whole talking shop in Australia comes down to the words - "under US pressure."
  6. +2
    21 September 2021 13: 24
    For Australians, the transition to the nuclear submarine looks natural given the growing role and capabilities of China. It is unclear why the French did not offer an atomic version of the Barracuda-Suffren.
    Perhaps due to a lack of production capacity or a reluctance to transfer technology - they are making them for themselves now
  7. +4
    21 September 2021 13: 32
    Not entirely accurate, but the main point is:
    "- We're going to spend $ 400 billion on defense. - From whom?"
    - From China.
    - What are we going to protect?
    - Our strategic interests.
    - More specifically?
    - Our trade routes.
    - Who is our main partner?
    - China.
    “So we're going to spend 400 billion to protect our trade with China from China?” ...
    (TV series "Utopia")
    NATO exists to sell American weapons to European countries,
    New alliance - for profit at the expense of Australia.
    -And this is already comparable to the cost of nuclear submarines. And allegedly for this reason in Australia they drew attention to the possibility of acquiring just such submarines. The argument, I must say, is highly dubious.
    Riksnu suggest that;
    The cost of the project will increase, even at the R&D stage. At the same time, they will say that it is a super duper, which has no analogues in the nuclear submarine. And as a result, a "product" without engines, power plant (NPT, however) and weapons. A certain underwater analogue of Zumvolt. Further, "work on mistakes" and the development of new submarines ...
    With mother-of-pearl buttons ....
    Of course, at the expense of the Australian budget.
    I would not be surprised if Paris and Beijing develop a closer relationship.
    1. +1
      21 September 2021 13: 50
      Quote: knn54
      The cost of the project will increase, even at the R&D stage.

      recently, the Australians announced that they are ready to rent ready-made ... so that after a while, as an option, it will be announced that they are buying out the rented boats and put an end to this ... after all, they are right - to build shipyards for such a specific order, to train specialists and what to do then ... the specialists will find work ... they will disperse ...
  8. +2
    21 September 2021 13: 40
    The Virginia-class submarines are fourth-generation multipurpose nuclear submarines of the US Navy. Designed to combat submarines at depth and for coastal operations. In addition to the standard armament, the boat also has equipment for special operations - unmanned underwater vehicles, an airlock for light divers, a deck mount for a container or an ultra-small submarine.


    This is a multipurpose hunter boat with a CD ........ Australia is planning an attack against China and its AUG? And what and who is threatening Australia itself? Nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles do not make sense for them at all. It is cheaper to build mines in the desert under the BR.
    1. 0
      21 September 2021 22: 07
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Australia plans attacking actions against China and its AUG?

      Uncle Sam plans to use a new sheep for slaughter ... wink
    2. +2
      22 September 2021 00: 30
      Quote: Zaurbek
      This is a multipurpose hunter boat with a CD ........ Australia is planning an attack against China and its AUG?

      The situation is pretty slippery with the VIRGINIA plane.
      1. States decided to transfer nuclear technology to a non-nuclear country. But this is not nuclear India, to which we leased submarines, and not even Pakistan, to which the whales can also transfer similar technology.
      2. If not only HARPOONS, but also TOMAGAWKI are on board the Australian submarines, then no one will give a 100% guarantee that they will not carry an SBP. And the launch from under the water hides the national identity of the carrier. Ams can say that it is they / not them - how it will be beneficial for them in the current situation ... They are great masters in this area.
      3. Australia in this union is the third wheel of a bicycle, or rather, a crutch for the lame Anglo-Saxons, who climbed into the APR to strangle a competitor. Australia will suffer greatly economically from its action. Therefore, it will be reformatted from the PRC to economic dependence on the United States.
      Therefore, the submarine for the Australian Navy is only the first step towards a long-term drain of finance from a junior partner in this alliance.
      IMHO.
      1. +2
        22 September 2021 11: 16
        Australia, in fact, is the province of Baba Lisa, where its governor-general rules. Australia needs to somehow legalize the nuclear weapons that it has from its grandmother. And its size can reach 180 warheads, which have disappeared from the arsenal of shaven ones. This is where the legs grow. Naturally, for confrontation with China, Virginias will be the best option, on which Tomahawks with nuclear weapons can be placed.
        1. 0
          22 September 2021 21: 16
          Quote: Tektor
          Australia needs to somehow legalize the nuclear weapons that it has from its grandmother. And its size can reach 180 warheads, which have disappeared from the arsenal of shaven ones.

          To be honest, this is the first time I've heard about this. The thing is that SBPs are not potatoes, and they require special conditions of protection, storage, and other security measures ... So, not a fact.
          But why suddenly the UK decided to dramatically increase the number of nuclear warheads by 260 units - this may involve Australopithecines. This is - yes, it is possible ...
  9. +3
    21 September 2021 14: 00
    Australia has little to do with China's burgeoning navy
    And that China is going to go to war with Australia? And because of what? Probably because he buys coal and iron ore from her? The Australians would sit quietly on their "island", not plunge into Anglo-Saxon adventures and they would be happy.
  10. +2
    21 September 2021 14: 12
    So America decided - it's a no brainer. But there is no reason to resist Australia either. Whatever one may say, but ... France is a liquid comrade. Controlling the world's oceans, where Australia will (and still has) an important role - is this not the dreams of the Australians themselves? In fact, they have no one to rely on, if anything (even Japan at one time sharpened their teeth on them), as soon as on their fellow tribesmen of the Anglo-Saxons.

    And so, it really turns out to be a simple and convincing alignment:

    1. USA - 350mln
    2. Britain - 70 million
    3. Canada - 50 million
    4. Australia (+ New Zealand) - 30 million
    5. South Africa is questionable, however, South Africa is not one of the big ones to get to.

    America is stirring up English-speaking India. China will catch up soon.

    In total, there are only 500 million whites. With such a resource, no China is scary. Well, France (and Germany) will never be France, even in the 30-40s. Yes, there is a lot of ambition based on old yeast, but ...
    1. 0
      21 September 2021 21: 52
      Something you overestimated the number of Canadians.) There are 40 million of them yet.
      1. 0
        21 September 2021 23: 12
        Not yet? Not order)))
    2. 0
      21 September 2021 22: 12
      Quote: Ivanushka Ivanov
      5. South Africa is questionable, however, South Africa is not one of the big ones to get to.

      So, no one has asked South Africa from BRICS ... bully
      1. +2
        21 September 2021 23: 15
        Brix, he is such a brix ... like in Krylov's fable ... I can't even imagine what really connects them ... except for the idiotic name
  11. 0
    21 September 2021 14: 17
    Who will explain, Fiery cat, where are you! That the French are so indignant, the contract is closed at the initial stage. Like the first boat should be laid down in 2023 And what kind of gentleman's contract, no financial responsibility for the unilateral termination of the agreement. hi
  12. 0
    21 September 2021 14: 47
    Australia's up to 10% of GDP is tied to the export of ore and coal, and other resources to China, which can very easily bring down the market
    1. +1
      21 September 2021 23: 30
      In China, almost all of its exports are tied to the United States and the Western world. Moreover, I think they will not touch China in the near future. And China will not trample on Taiwan yet. Well, they will seize the island, and then what? A total embargo? Moreover, unsold natural resources are an investment in the future. Today they burn coal, and tomorrow they will start cutting out super-strong material from it.

      What happened is an application for something global. Just a reminder to everyone else for now. But it was on the surface: some pretended not to be very connected with each other, while others pretended to believe it.
  13. +1
    21 September 2021 14: 59
    replacing diesel power plants in submarines with nuclear reactors.

    Some kind of kindergarten. If only with the boat.
    The main thing in all this fuss
    Canberra is ready to provide its defense and industrial infrastructure with all the advantages of a continent close to the Pacific theater of operations, which is strategically important for the United States and England.

    The only question was the price. Now we know her. - a dozen nuclear submarines.
    1. +1
      21 September 2021 18: 12
      According to the French project Barracuda, they make varieties of boats in nuclear and non-nuclear versions.
      The diesel-electric submarine Ataka was created on the basis of the Suffren nuclear submarine
      1. 0
        22 September 2021 12: 03
        Thanks. Did not know. We need to look at the information.
  14. 0
    22 September 2021 04: 36
    Nobody noticed that there is not enough, the fourth largest country of the Naglo-Saxons? Although, of course, through the deepest strategic partnership with the United States, Canada is not an outsider.
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 08: 42
      Right-wing Trudeau's party won the election. The Chinese did not carry out the sentence on two Canadians, that's all.
  15. -1
    22 September 2021 09: 07
    Australia for Russia is a semi-colony of the Anglo-Saxons, inhabited by the descendants of convicts. Nuclear boats from convicts, in principle, shine with originality.
  16. 0
    22 September 2021 09: 19
    So it seems that it is forbidden to sell nuclear submarines, which is why India leases, isn't it?
  17. 0
    22 September 2021 11: 51
    6 nuclear submarines will require appropriate coastal infrastructure, which is also not very cheap. Will Australia afford such spending, or are they counting on a big leader in Washington? But, recent events in the world show that this is a very dangerous partner))))
  18. Eug
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    22 September 2021 15: 13
    The center of the world confrontation is transferred to the Indo-Pacific region. Most likely, the basis of the policy of the new bloc will be the containment of the Chinese naval forces in the seas adjacent to the coast of China and, if necessary, the interruption of trade and other communications in the Malacca and Sunda straits, through which the main oil is supplied to China. It is quite far from Australia, and for effective operations in such remote areas of nuclear submarines, it is much more effective than non-nuclear submarines. If there is a need for action in the waters of Taiwan, then the nuclear submarine is even more preferable. Everything is extremely rational, but at the same time reveals intentions. I do not think that Australia will stop there, the operations of the nuclear submarine need to be supported by other forces, and there is nowhere to take them, except by modernizing the Australian Navy ...