French experts: Macron is not Charles de Gaulle at all, France will not be withdrawn from NATO

The French media, including television, continue to discuss the possible reaction of official Paris to the US actions to create the AUKUS military axis. Recall that a few days ago, the Australians terminated the contract with France for the construction of submarines, which was estimated at almost $ 40 billion. The place of the French will be taken by the Americans, who will build nuclear submarines for Canberra. In addition to the United States and Australia, Great Britain entered a virtually new military bloc. France was not invited to the union.

French experts are commenting in this regard on the proposal of the deputy Jean-Luc Melanchon on the need to refuse to open a NATO (de facto - American) center in Toulouse and on the withdrawal of France from the North Atlantic military alliance. At the same time, it should be noted that if the liberal circles of France are calling for "weighing the situation and the consequences", then even the centrists believe that such a demarche on the part of the allies cannot be left unanswered.

On a political talk show on French TV:

NATO has ceased to be interested in France's opinion at all. It's getting harder and harder not to notice.

One of the former employees of the French Ministry of Defense noted that the United States has recently interacted with its French counterparts in the military and military-technical spheres only where it is beneficial to the United States itself. French interests are not taken into account.

Just noticed now?

Le Figaro, a major French publication, publishes an article by analyst Emmanuel Derville, where the situation with the alliance and Australia's withdrawal from the contract was called "a resounding American-Australian slap in the face of France."

France24 channel quotes French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, who called the situation "not a new American-Australian romance, but an undermining of confidence in military alliances."

The experts in the studio, commenting on the minister's words, noted that the level of trust in NATO among the French had dropped to the level of 50 years ago. Recall that in 1966, Charles de Gaulle withdrew France from the military agreements of the North Atlantic bloc. Paris returned to all NATO structures only in 2007.

At the same time, French experts believe that Macron will not agree to leave NATO under any circumstances:

Macron is not Charles de Gaulle at all. He will not withdraw France from NATO, although he himself had previously said that the bloc suffered brain death. It turns out that we remain in a military bloc that has no brains left. If this is in our interests, then what are our interests then? ..

Another expert:

I don't know about brains ... But in NATO there is definitely no respect for alliance partners, and we have no self-respect

Comments

[Sands Careers General]

Macaron will be rubbed, he really is not Napoleon and not De Gaulle.

[Yuri V.A]

He can get out - he will offer, for example, India, boats for half the price and everyone will be happy.

[paul3390]

The most annoying thing for the paddling pool is that the proposed boats were actually converted by a specialist for a kangaroo under a conventional French nuclear engine .. That is, they were originally suitable for the new requirements - but, for the purpose of non-proliferation of nuclear military technologies, they were castrated ..

"And what - so it was possible"? Yes. But - only to a select few ..

[Tatyana]

In general, in this case, one must take into account the symbiotic UNION of SURVIVAL in the EU between France and the FRG that has developed in recent decades. Namely.

If Germany in this symbiotic alliance with France in the EU has a strong - POWERFUL - economy, then France, while possessing its own nuclear weapons, is its military cover. In principle, this was the internal political and economic basis for the formation of an EU, more or less independent of the US, in Western Europe.
Accordingly, in this case, if France leaves NATO, then in a certain sense it will also be a blow to the economic national interests of Germany itself, in particular, to Germany's independent decision on the construction and operation of the SP-2.
These things are interconnected.

In total, France's withdrawal from NATO is also tied to the national interests of Germany itself!

In order to leave NATO, France, objectively, really needs an economically independent ally, independent of the United States and nationally oriented towards the development of its own country, in Europe itself with a stronger economy than France. Germany Kohl and Angela Merkel have been such an ally for France in recent decades.
Now is not the Deglev era for a long time.

As a result. Thus, we have that the military alliance of the USA, Great Britain and Australia is also indirectly aimed at SUPPRESSING the independent independence of the same Germany as the leading economic power in Western Europe with PRESENTATION by Washington in the EU of its American national interests on the same gas issues in general, including the "SP-2".

[Brturin]

Quote: Tatiana

USA, Great Britain and Australia is also indirectly aimed at SUPPRESSING the independent independence of the same Germany

But it cannot be ruled out that this will lead to the opposite - the rapprochement of Germany and France and the strengthening of the advancement of the EU's own forces (the British left the EU), will start small (rapid deployment forces), and then how will things go ... NATO leadership somehow clearly not happy with such EU movements

[Tatyana]

Quote: BrTurin

British left the EU

"Englishwoman" now, on the one hand, - militarily - is the United States in the wings!
On the other hand, the "Englishwoman" continues, as in the past centuries, oppressing its sovereign colonial policy in the world. Namely.

At the same time, one should not forget that in the US Federal Reserve Bank of England has a permanent representative office, while the representative offices of banks in other countries are replaced after a certain period. This suggests that the geopolitics of Great Britain in the same USA - through the US Federal Reserve System as a globalist financial instrument - remains the same in the world in time, i.e. colonially not replaceable.
In this sense, relations between the United States and the "Englishwomen" are periodically such that either "the tail rules the dog" or "the dog drives the tail"!

TOTAL. In this sense, Great Britain and the United States are more geopolitical colonizers-ALLIES, not opponents, although there is competition between them for influential primacy in their political and economic bloc.

[Brturin]

Quote: Tatiana

In this sense, Great Britain and the United States are more geopolitical colonial ALLIES

Will Macron be able to find allies and, above all, in the person of Germany? Will the EU's unification in military matters be the answer to the strengthening of Anglo .. and even with them unification? Estonia turned to the EU on air defense not to NATO, but to the EU, not forgetting to remind about the strategic autonomy of the EU, why would it be ... states after Afghanistan are losing confidence, and then this story with Australia ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: BrTurin

Will Macron be able to find allies, primarily in the person of Germany?

This is the BIGGEST question for Macron and France!
And this question rests on the EU's recognition of the NORMAL legitimacy for Russia of the launch of the "SP-2" by Gazprom!

Moreover. It is not for nothing that the West - in France, for example - remembered ALLOYING with Russia - right up to the recognition of Crimea as Russian!

This is essentially an objective change in the geopolitical course of France!
Moreover, the United States itself creates geopolitical prerequisites for this.

[Finches]

Against de Gaulle, the Americans immediately took the Parisian student and all sorts of marginalized people to the streets (for cookies), and Macron was already frightened by the movement of the "yellow vests" (behind which American money and agents of influence did not stand). Therefore, it will be rubbed off!

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

Ikhhu mutter! You don't have to be an expert here to understand that Macronishka is not General de Gaulle.

[knn54]

-: Macron is not Charles de Gaulle at all, he will not withdraw France from NATO.
Why not promise (in light of the upcoming elections) to hold a referendum on this issue.

[paul3390]

Why not promise (in light of the upcoming elections) to hold a referendum on this issue.

Because then - Macron will immediately be caught trying to rape a terrible black woman in a hotel ..

[antivirus]

I don’t know how about brains ... But in NATO there is definitely no respect for alliance partners, and we have no self-respect

-clowns feel confident in the circus arena and everywhere. in PM in restaurants.
self-esteem is not equal to influence in the world

[cniza]

One of the former employees of the French Ministry of Defense noted that the United States has recently interacted with its French counterparts in the military and military-technical spheres only where it is beneficial to the United States itself.

It has always been this way, and you just noticed ...

[Login_Off]

The task of the EU is to accept as many refugees, gay activists, greens as possible, and to purchase as many American goods as possible.
The rest is in the past.

[rocket757]

Quote: Login_Off

The rest is in the past.

Leave in the past the basis of the supposing, the fundamental, DANGEROUS BUTTY!
They themselves will rake it off ... besides, not all, the most entertainers, as always, will get rid of the oceans or somewhere else, where it is warm and calm, and those who did not want to think and agreed with all stupidity will rake it.
This is always the case and there will be NO "huts on the edge" on the territory there.

[cniza]

Not to learn from the past, this is a road to nowhere, we have a living example at our side ...

[rocket757]

Yes, there are more than enough such and other examples in the history of states ...
Although, the present is nearby, this is the quintessence of stupidity ... to see history at school they skipped all in a crowd, but in vain!

[cniza]

So they continue to jump, on the same rake ...

[rocket757]

This is already an unconditioned reflex, smoothly turning into convulsions ... the most "cool", those from which the whole country jitters, PRESENT, because what is happening is not a catastrophe for them ... the moment will come and they will go where the greens are on the stack. To distant lands, to warm shores ...
But the shaking one, they will leave to everyone else who has nowhere to blame.

[cniza]

Everyone is tired of them, it's time to close this circus ...

[rocket757]

To do this, you need to stop jumping and remove the pots from your heads ... though you will have to collect brains in a heap, it was too long and intensively jumping! Everything is necessary early, the sooner the better.

[cniza]

There already seem to be irreversible processes, so only through the fool ...

[rocket757]

This is, for now, their problems, sponsors ... we will catch it later, if anything. This if we want.

[cniza]

I am sure of one thing, no one will be bored ...

[rocket757]

French experts: Macron is not Charles de Gaulle at all, France will not be withdrawn from NATO

So their business, their allies ... say it's cool? for them it is unlikely.

[cniza]

The "funny times" begin, there will be bickering not childishly ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

there will be a bickering not childish.

So it began from the time when many stopped allowing themselves to be robbed ...
It quieted down a little when they hawked what they got from the collapse of the USSR ... but that, too, of course, ended ... now, yes, the trough is almost empty, and everyone had spoons. Bummer with.

[cniza]

They will measure themselves with empty spoons ...

[rocket757]

It is convenient to use spoons on the forehead and on the hands, impatient, arrogant, small ones to beat !!! What, soon, we have to observe.

[cniza]

Yeah, it will be very "funny", especially to neighboring countries ...

[rocket757]

Small, noisy squeals will ...

[cniza]

And they will sprinkle everything with saliva, and then they will start crying and asking to be forgiven ...

[unhappy]

US ally and toilet paper, practical!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And Macron's wife is not Josephine. Well, here, as they say - "the taste and color ...")

[businessv]

The place of the French will be taken by the Americans, who will build nuclear submarines for Canberra.

I've heard it somewhere! It seems that when the issue of EU gas supplies was discussed, give up JV 2, and we will supply you with gas. The Europeans did not refuse and did not regret it. We regretted not having finished it a year ago. Now it is the turn of the Australians, who are not distinguished by intelligence and ingenuity, if they decided to take such a step. Well, the French and Germans just need to enter the CSTO and send a pin @ wasps and their European bases home under the slogan "Native Europe - native, European protection!"

[Moore]

If this is in our interests, then what are our interests then? ..

You must have either the interests of the Anglo-Saxons, or none at all. As if NATO was not meant for this ...

[Artemion3]

the Americans decided to merge the old NATO members and form a new, Anglo-Saxon alliance with Australia and the Britons.

[Prisoner]

By itself. Where is the grandmother's husband to General de Gaulle.

[voyaka uh]

From a military point of view, France is useless in NATO.
They will never send their troops to help when needed.
Only as an economic reserve, as suppliers, as manufacturers of ammunition may be needed ..

[Sands Careers General]

From a military point of view, France is useless in NATO.

Well, why, France controls in fact its former colonies, there are territories all over the world.
And NATO is all useful, it was not in vain that the French were almost forced back into this vile organization.

[voyaka uh]

France has only two large combat-ready formations: the Foreign Legion and the Airborne Division.
There are foreigners in the Legion. Motivated by obtaining citizenship, trained.
In the airborne division there are almost "foreigners": they are recruited there from Normandy (Scandinavians) and from Alsace (Germans).
The paratroopers are used as riot police: when the Islamists are raging, they are sent to the cities.
They will never be sent to help NATO.

[Sands Careers General]

These are only military organizations, and there are also former colonies, which in fact are not at all former.
And a lot of resources from there. And loyal people.

Although I agree, the French have long forgotten how to fight seriously.

[Okolotochny]

recruit there from Normandy (Scandinavian)

Scandinavians live in Normandy ??? Warrior ??? If you are for the Normans, then these are now far from Scandinavians. Do you think that a Normandy is less French than a Parisian?

[voyaka uh]

The Normans are markedly different from the Gauls (most French) in appearance.
Blondes, blue-eyed.
I was vacationing in Normandy, filming at home, I can compare.
And saw the paratroopers patrols in Paris.
As if a foreign army had occupied Paris
Parisians despise them, by the way: "crooked-toothed primitives."

[Pereira]

They envy. Genetic fear of the Vikings.

[Okolotochny]

There is already nothing to envy)) Previously, in the French national team during Platini's time, there seemed to be only one dark-skinned - Tigana. Now, without them, this is not the French national team))

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Macron is not DeGolle, and France is not the same. Soon there will be no French left in it, and those who remain will be a national minority. "Maryam Mosque of Paris", not "Charlie Hebdo" is ahead of them.

[rotmistr60]

NATO is no longer interested in French opinion

And whose opinion is interesting to the Americans in NATO besides their own? It is today that France, faced with what they believe, began to cast a voice with injustice, and how many NATO member countries have modestly kept silent and wiped themselves away from the American "friendly alliance"? As we say: "He called himself a load, climb into the back." Of course, France will not leave NATO - Macron has a weak guts.

[tihonmarine]

I don't know how about brains ... But in NATO there is definitely no respect for alliance partners, and we have no self-respect

The United States did not even slap France in the face, but a good slap in the face - "know ours!"

[letovvany]

There are only 2 options, either to leave NATO ourselves, or to wait until they are thrown out of there under some pretext (the current US authorities do not value their allies). The choice is up to Macron ....

[AML]

What's his choice? He had already tried to poke sometime and suddenly yellow vests appeared out of nowhere. Well, there will be more red or blue.
So, for the sake of form, he will stomp his foot, but he will go to sleep

[Kushka]

Quote: knn54

-: Macron is not Charles de Gaulle at all.

Such a bike roamed at the soviet nomenklatyra - when De Gaulle arrived in the USSR in 1966 in Moscow, he was greeted with special honor (and this is true). Apparently, he was also "carried away" and offered to speak on Red Square from the rostrum of the Mausoleum. It was impossible (there could be only "Io Lenin and his associates at the moment." On arrival in Paris, the enraged De Gaulle smashed to smithereens and dispersed numerous and bloated offices, such as the Institute of Marxism-Leninism, etc.
"If the USSR has such a young generation, then what have you been doing for so many years?"

[APASUS]

Frogs do not feel sorry for us, they could shit, but you see, it became a shame for them. But the question is not at all in this HOW TO ACCOUNT THE CONTRACT: ABOUT THE NON-PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGIES?
Here is another interesting place, the British are using American nuclear missiles, Australia will soon start using it. I don't hear outraged voices or is it only Is it forbidden to transfer technology to Korea and Iran?

[RuslanNN]

While Makaron is trying to get into the Transcaucasia, his podzhopniks are driven out of their homes all over the world. Americans from Australia, ours and the Turks are pushing in Africa, Switzerland also abandoned their planes, before that Pakistan refused more than a billion French weapons. Along the way, Macaron is more concerned about the interests of the Armenians than the French. Let him run for the presidency of Armenia for the next term.

[Lara Croft]

At the same time, French experts believe that Macron will not go out of NATO under any circumstances.

He will do the right thing. After all, they are provoking him to this so that France becomes outside NATO and loses its ties with the European NATO countries, primarily Germany ...
Macron can remain in NATO, but sabotage its development and, on the contrary, establish economic ties with the Russian Federation and the PRC in his former colonies in Africa ...
First of all, it is necessary to hit the economies of the henchmen of the United States - Great Britain and Australia, let them know that they are suffering because of the United States ...