Perm syndrome

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May the people of Perm forgive me and people like me, if suddenly it is their city and region that will give a name to the terrible thing that is happening to us today. After all, it all began not even in Kerch, not in Kazan, or already several years ago in one of the schools in my native Otradnoye. And not even in Budennovsk or Beslan.

Don't wake the beast. It is hardly possible to remember where and by whom it was said for the first time. Many believed, and still believe, that it was possible to release the beast from the masses through wars and revolutions. And in the current imitation of violence on the screens of movies, TV and telephones, there is nothing to worry about.

Alas, there is! For many years after that memorable and Great War, a peaceful and patient generation was actually raised in the USSR. Yes, and hardworking. Over him, that is, over us, now they often laugh - they say, people from communism. Unfinished, however.

Yes, we are like that, but there were many ghouls among us, like Mosgaz and Chikatilo, although not a single psychiatrist would have dared to arm them, even if not to the teeth, but simply for a bribe. And it’s a pity that we so easily allow the generation that is coming to replace us to become different.

Because it may happen that the ghoul will be accepted as the norm, although for the time being - as something terrible, but no longer accidental, not an exception. This, unfortunately, is already turning into a syndrome, if not already.

After all, before our very eyes, either it is about to be broken, or something has already broken where the transition takes place. From "I want" to "I can." Every moral degenerate like in Kazan is a product.

The product of many years of impunity, because a strict teacher, not just a slap on the head or a rude word, even for an innocent joke can be deprived of his profession. The geek is the result of years of lack of real demand for anything.

Starting with unfulfilled lessons and the classroom cleaning cursed by all current young parents. And ending with subbotniks, collecting waste paper and scrap metal, and also - absolute belief that we live in the happiest and fairest country.

To break is not to build, although in the same capital there is now so much being built that it looks more like breaking. But the main thing is a mental breakdown, because of which we take root in what our generation disdainfully called "the beastly grin of imperialism."

The terrible syndrome must be answered, and will have to. But not as on covid, be it wrong. Bolder and tougher. And it's not about a ban on weapon... More precisely - not only about him. This will not achieve much, although the consequences will sometimes not be so dire - I would like to hope.

Vigilance, even more numerous crowds of guards, and along with them - controllers. Pressure on teachers, who now, in fact, do not even have to be teachers. Their duty is to give knowledge, but not to educate.

So: a nursery and a kindergarten, and then go for a walk, freeman?

The parents only have in mind how to feed or how to be no less successful in comparison with those who are nearby, or not quite. They, parents, are not at all up to pedagogy.

The mass consciousness and, oddly enough, in a sufficiently advanced environment, is broken down so that in one fell swoop you can hardly bring it back to the philosophy of the “bright past”.

Stop, change your mind?

Maybe it's time. But we need to build further, get ahead of someone, and catch up with someone ...

You would not have flown past something much more important, as you have already flown.

Not just remembered the scumbags from the past. But they are just scumbags - a rare exceptional phenomenon. Because they were not the product of a massive cult of violence. And not only violence, but success - more and more often such as that Paris that "is worth the mass."

The hero must not hesitate. A hero from the third millennium should just win. And it doesn't matter who and how. He's a hero. Most of us have children, many have grandchildren, some even have great-grandchildren. It is clear that it is scary, first of all, for them.

But it's also scary for what they will become. It seems that they don't really want to be like us. Yes, according to current realities, they can no longer.

And sometimes it even makes me glad that many, I hope - the overwhelming majority, of those who could pick up a shotgun, like a Perm student, now, most likely, would prefer a gadget to it.

They still prefer virtual violence to real. For now ...
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  1. +1
    23 September 2021 05: 15
    And sometimes it even makes me glad that many, I hope - the overwhelming majority, of those who could pick up a shotgun, like a Perm student,

    Where does the student get money for weapons and equipment? The demand from the parents of the urod should be no less than from the very urod!
    1. +21
      23 September 2021 05: 34
      Today's snotty bloggers have more money than hard workers.
      1. +1
        23 September 2021 05: 37
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        Today's snotty bloggers have more money than hard workers.

        Bloggers, for all their worthlessness, do not commit mass murders, all these killer creatures were quiet people, at most they posted something on the networks.
        1. +9
          23 September 2021 06: 00
          Vladimir: This shooter just posted his intention on the net.
          1. +3
            23 September 2021 06: 08
            Quote: nikvic46
            It was this shooter who posted his intention on the net.

            A blogger is an Internet character leading a REGULAR blog (magazine, diary) with regular readers and admirers. None of the killer creatures did that. But the parents were aware of the inadequacy of the ducks.
          2. +2
            23 September 2021 10: 45
            Quote: nikvic46
            Vladimir: This shooter just posted his intention on the net.


            If he had written that he was going to overthrow Putin, the police would have actively stirred up their trumpets and he would have been accepted as soon as he left the entrance. But since this is a different matter, then he was missed. This is not for you to catch Navalny's schoolchildren and to plant the townsfolk for pictures in VK.
        2. +13
          23 September 2021 06: 12
          Laid out for what? For fame. The whole point of blogging is a lust for worthlessness about fame. Money is already an accompanying one.
          1. +1
            23 September 2021 06: 18
            Quote: Andrey Moskvin
            Laid out for what? For fame. The whole point of blogging is a lust for worthlessness about fame. Money is already an accompanying one.
            The essence of blogging is a thirst for worthlessness about fame - I agree, BUT I will add, on a regular basis! A one-time display of oneself beautiful before a "bright departure" is somewhat different.
            1. +5
              23 September 2021 09: 37
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              BUT I will add, on a regular basis! A one-time display of yourself beautiful before "bright leaving" is somewhat different

              No matter how it is. And when they take off their heads from a gun for a million likes, what's this? And why does he need a million likes if he is no longer there. He will not even be able to check whether he typed ... Hype even at the cost of his own life. Only some - themselves, others - someone ... And the goal is one, to stand out, at least somehow, but quickly and brightly.
              1. +1
                23 September 2021 09: 42
                Quote: Doccor18
                And when they take off their heads from a gun for a million likes, what's this?
                And what, there were such ?! But for yourself, please ... It is more important that the blogger can be calculated, but the quiet one is already more difficult.
                1. +2
                  23 September 2021 09: 49
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  and the quiet one is already more difficult.

                  I agree with this.
        3. +7
          23 September 2021 08: 43
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          all these killer creatures were quiet people

          The so-called "cashier" syndrome, which endures insults from everyone for a long time and resignedly, and then goes and blows up this "fucking" world.
          1. +4
            23 September 2021 13: 09
            Maybe you shouldn't insult others?
        4. +7
          23 September 2021 09: 17
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Bloggers, for all their worthlessness, do not commit mass murder

          You are right.
          But at the same time, they have a huge impact on the moral health of the young part of society.
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 09: 27
            Quote: Flood
            But at the same time, they have a huge impact on the moral health of the young part of society.

            Due to the regularity of blogging, it is easier to calculate them, perhaps a lot. It seems to me.
          2. +4
            23 September 2021 09: 51
            But at the same time, they have a huge impact on the moral health of the young part of society.
            In 90% of cases, it is negative.
        5. +9
          23 September 2021 10: 23
          You are behind the times. Now in tiktok there are bloggers who commit crimes on record.

          Yes, they can be caught after publication, although not always, but the problem is that instead of one, two come.
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 10: 25
            Quote: Flanke
            You are behind the times. Now in tiktok there are bloggers who commit crimes on record.
            Including massacres?
            1. +7
              23 September 2021 10: 43
              I think online massacres are just around the corner. And now there are enough singles. Even mass harm is, in a sense, less - one case, one person involved, one trial or the conclusion of a pathologist. But I got it so stuck, by the way. Not for the sake of argument.
          2. +3
            23 September 2021 12: 36
            Quote: Flanke
            You are behind the times. Now in tiktok there are bloggers who commit crimes on record.

            Indeed, today my daughter said: - Two guys in the park kiss passionately and the third takes them off, but tiktoki should be banned.
            1. -6
              23 September 2021 18: 22
              Why? Well, they kiss and kiss. Show tolerance. They do not climb into your bed and to you. And bring up your children as you want. Respect for each other starts with respect for yourself
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              2. 0
                24 September 2021 11: 33
                Do you kiss men too?
                And if your children see this and consider your ban to be exceeded ...?
                I respect their choice ... when NOBODY sees them! At home, let them have whatever they want!
                And in a public place, if they do not respect me and my views and choices, why should I respect their views and choices ??? Why do we owe them and they don’t?
                1. -5
                  24 September 2021 12: 33
                  I kiss my wife. Including with children. And not a single homosexual came up to me and said that he was disgusted. Because they respect my choice. Then why shouldn't I respect a stranger? Judging by your logic, you can go as far as banning clothing colors and so on. Be simpler and life will become easier. Homosexuals are perhaps one of the last problems that worries me.
                  And in a public place, if they do not respect me and my views and choices, why should I respect their views and choices ???
                  have you been obstructed by homosexuals for kissing your woman in a public place? Oh, I will not believe)
                  1. +3
                    24 September 2021 12: 47
                    [/ quote] And not a single homosexual came up to me and said that he was disgusted. [/ quote] Ash tree stump! A raven will not peck out a raven's eyes. He himself has a snout in the fluff.
                    Ie you really think it is equally equivalent to kissing a man and a woman in a public place?
                    Even kissing a woman in public is uncivilized! This is for your information!
                    By your logic, ambulances will not only kiss on the street. Also be tolerant?
                    1. -2
                      24 September 2021 13: 01
                      Ie you really think it is equally equivalent to kissing a man and a woman in a public place?
                      Yes.
                      There are laws that regulate this. I repeat: with the same logic as yours, you are not much different from these killers ...
                      Check out our laws at your leisure. By the way, dragging provisions from the family code into the constitution is complete nonsense, but the task was different. Plus, all this screaming around homosexuals is a banal smoke behind which is hidden:
                      Government inefficiency, rampant inflation, pension freezes and tax hikes. Oh, and even zeroing.
                      I wrote to you above that homosexuals excite me a little less than nothing, especially if my pants and in my bed do not climb. Much more important is the rise in prices, the absence of real growth in wages and the freezing of the funded part of the pension. As well as the lack of an alternative opinion.
        6. +3
          23 September 2021 11: 14
          all these killer critters

          Creatures or people who have been harassed for some reason by society?
          Where is the guarantee to an example that, for example, you personally did not participate in the trawling of the same "tihushnik", just your tihushnik did not get a gun in his hands
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 11: 24
            Quote: Petro_tut
            Where is the guarantee, for example, that, for example, you personally did not participate in the trawling of the same "tihushnik", it is just that your tihushniki did not get a gun in his hands
            Is that how you justify? Are you sure that this freak killed and wounded only those who "poisoned" him?
      2. +2
        23 September 2021 08: 31
        And who donates money to them? Not a hard worker?
      3. -7
        23 September 2021 09: 50
        The death penalty is needed for such monsters. It is best to land on a stake and broadcast online instead of Dom-2. Then there will be fewer people willing to sit on the stake. This monster killed so many people without any selfish motive. What was his motivation to kill four eighteen-year-old girls?
        I remember Stalin and his formula: a son is not a defendant for his father. Or maybe you need to ask your parents for the grown freaks? Close them for life, as accomplices, so that they curse their son until the end of their days.
        1. +3
          23 September 2021 11: 11
          Quote: Bearded
          It is best to land on a stake and broadcast online instead of Dom-2. Then there will be fewer people willing to sit on the stake.

          In Islam, women for fornication are stoned in public, in the squares ...
          1300 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) years
          The women have ceased to fornicate ??? there are fewer of them - slack on the front - for 1300 years ???
          Yeah, schaz .......
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 11: 43
            Quote: your1970
            Does it help? Women have ceased to fornicate ???

            They didn't even get encrypted better!
          2. +7
            23 September 2021 12: 41
            Even more (years) - a parable of how Jesus saved a harlot from reprisal
            ("He who is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at me")
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        2. +2
          23 September 2021 13: 39
          Yes, this does not stop the madman, from the word at all. He went to die, but as loudly as possible.
        3. +2
          23 September 2021 22: 41
          Quote: Bearded
          Or maybe you need to ask your parents for the grown freaks?

          And if there is no father and the mother works 3 jobs to feed herself? And if there are parents, but they plow around the clock, and there is no time for children? What if the parents are alcoholics or unemployed? How easy you blamed everything on your parents. A new class is growing. As Putin's adviser Fursenko said, "you need to grow the consumer" So we have grown. And the school, and the teachers? What can they teach. if they themselves throw in ballots, i.e. commit a crime. Double life, double morality in the country - the result is obvious
        4. +2
          24 September 2021 19: 10
          Bearded man. Friedrich Engels - the environment educates a person. Remember the Russian - what is the pop, so is the parish. It is not dad and mom who teach smoking and drinking, but the street. The power teaches to lie!
    2. +14
      23 September 2021 08: 21
      Such anomalies do not occur out of the blue. And a maniac, being born, is not immediately a maniac. He becomes it in the process of his further life. Or maybe not. It is a question of the environment, education and welfare of society. In a dysfunctional and aggressive environment, there are more such abnormal and ugly phenomena. Because the amount of stress, which not everyone can cope with, increases greatly.
      1. +5
        23 September 2021 09: 03
        Quote: Stas157
        In a dysfunctional and aggressive environment, there are more such abnormal and ugly phenomena.

        Raising a child is a complex topic. And here just a reference to the environment is indispensable. After all, a dysfunctional environment has been in Russian history more than once ... I think we need a deep study of the causes and conditions for the emergence of deviant behavior in a child and methods of its prevention. I think that systemic methods are needed here, perhaps quite costly. Because from the field of view of adult parents and the state falls out a wide temporal layer of life and, accordingly, ways of acquiring a life experience of dubious quality by a child from uncontrolled sources. In general, from the race for the number of children, it is necessary to shift attention to the quality of their upbringing. And without a professional approach, it makes no sense to wait for luck here. And, starting from the obligatory training of parents in the basics of raising their children and ending with the cleaning of the digital environment, one cannot spare efforts and resources on this system. Except for the state, which is interested in the growth of its socio-economic power, no one will be able to organize this business. Unfortunately, judging by the reaction of some deputies and top-level officials, they have not yet come to the concept of the importance and scale of work in this area.
        1. +8
          23 September 2021 09: 16
          Quote: Hagen
          Raising a child is a complex topic. And here just a reference to the environment is indispensable. After all, there has been a dysfunctional environment in Russian history more than once ...

          You're right. But, by a dysfunctional environment, I meant not only the material environment, but also dysfunctional relationships. Or prosperous. The relationship issue is even more important here than the material part.
          1. +6
            23 September 2021 09: 19
            Quote: Stas157
            The relationship issue is even more important here than the material part.

            I completely agree with you. And speaking about the quality of upbringing of a child, this is exactly what I mean. The child is not a soldier, you cannot command them. He needs to be captivated, persuaded and motivated in the right, positive direction.
            1. +6
              23 September 2021 11: 46
              Quote: Hagen

              I completely agree with you. And speaking about the quality of upbringing of a child, this is exactly what I mean. The child is not a soldier, you cannot command them. He needs to be captivated, persuaded and motivated in the right, positive direction.

              That's right .. only who will do this and when? Most of them don't have time .. they work 12 hours a day, and some also have two jobs .. grandparents also have to work .. children are left to their own devices ..
              So it turns out that the TC is a very important thing, as well as the social obligations of the state.
        2. +8
          23 September 2021 09: 47
          Quote: Hagen
          Because from the field of vision of adult parents and the state falls out a wide temporal layer of life and, accordingly, ways of acquiring a life experience of dubious quality by a child from uncontrolled sources.

          Absolutely agree. And parents are less likely to communicate with their children, but I will simply keep silent about the state ... What flows from the media and is on the Internet can break any fragile psyche.
          Quote: Hagen
          In general, from the race for the number of children, it is necessary to shift attention to the quality of their upbringing.

          I agree, of course, but where do you see this "race" now? The vast majority of families have one or two children. And for large families from the Caucasus and Central Asia and with upbringing, everything is completely different ...
          1. +6
            23 September 2021 10: 31
            Quote: Doccor18
            And for large families from the Caucasus and Central Asia and with upbringing, everything is completely different ...

            Yes, and the problems are also different, but there are no less than ours, believe me.
            Quote: Doccor18
            I agree, of course, but where do you see this "race" now?

            I think that when your mother gave birth to you, she could not even dream that they could still pay extra for it. Mine is the same. Yes, my wife and I have not received a penny for ours. Although the children found cash grants for excellent performance in school. Yes, and free trips to camps in Bulgaria, Greece, our Golden Ring, etc., did not please me as a child ...
          2. +2
            23 September 2021 15: 34
            Quote: Doccor18
            And for large families from the Caucasus and Central Asia and with upbringing, everything is completely different ...

            The large number of children in the Caucasus has long been a myth. Probably for Central Asia as well.
            1. +3
              23 September 2021 16: 15
              The Caucasus is large. Armenian and Georgian families have fewer children, while Azeri, Chechen and Ossetian families have more.
              1. +2
                23 September 2021 16: 37
                Chechens have an average of 2.56 children per woman. In Ossetia 1.72. Azerbaijan 1.8. RF 1.5. Population reproduction rate 2.1. Central Asia 2.7. Afghanistan 4.3. Niger 6.8
                1. +2
                  23 September 2021 17: 15
                  Quote: burger
                  Azerbaijan 1.8.

                  They live in our village. There are no fewer than four children in the family. Chechens live, they gave birth to the sixth ...
                  1. +2
                    23 September 2021 17: 47
                    They live in our village

                    It is a common logical mistake to draw conclusions about all of individuals. Because of its prevalence, it never ceases to be a mistake.
                    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?name_desc=false
                    The average fertility rate in Azerbaijan is 1.8 children per woman. And this is precisely the "arithmetic mean", which does not at all deny that some married couples can have 1-3-4 children, and some, on the contrary, adhere to the "tea-free" policy and be completely childless.
                    By the way, there is also a graph that well illustrates the demographic transition. The world average fertility rate and its change from 5+ children per woman in 1 to 1965 children per woman in 2,4.
                  2. +1
                    23 September 2021 18: 47
                    And Russian families have seven children
                    https://m.gazeta.ru/social/photo/semya_obvinennoi_v_gosizmene_materi_7_detei_svetlany_davydovoi.shtml
                    But on average, like that.
        3. +3
          23 September 2021 09: 56
          Quote: Hagen
          .... starting from the compulsory training of parents in the basics of raising their children and ending with the cleaning of the digital environment, one should not spare efforts and resources on this system. Except for the state, which is interested in the growth of its socio-economic power, no one will be able to organize this business. Unfortunately, judging by the reaction of some deputies and top-level officials, they have not yet come to the concept of the importance and scale of work in this area.
          Well, yes! The reaction of officials and deputies is like that!
          And this is precisely the result of the ban on ideology. No, Octobrists, pioneers,
          pioneers, Komsomol members? There is this: instead of the Octobrists, the pioneers, the Komsomol members.
          1. +10
            23 September 2021 10: 44
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And this is precisely the result of the ban on ideology. No, Octobrists, pioneers,
            pioneers, Komsomol members?

            Come on ... All the scumbags and bandits of the 90s in their school childhood wore Oktyabryat, Pioneer, and Komsomol badges. And the soldering irons, on occasion, were thrust right up to the handle. You forgot how it was. How they fired from a grenade launcher on Nevsky Prospekt, how some bandits met others in N. Tagil during a "disassembly" on a tank laughing And they all came from the USSR with its pioneers and the Komsomol. Where did all the current billionaires come from? Half of them went through the Central Committee of the Komsomol. The other half is thrashing Britain. laughing There is no need to engage in mythology.
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Well, yes! The reaction of officials and deputies is like that!

            At all times, not only today, the authorities were late in responding to changes in the world and society. And the response must first mature in the public mind. Tomorrow, for example, any entrance to the Internet using biometrics will be introduced, three-quarters of the regulars of VO, together with writers, will raise such a howl about violations of democratic principles, even if they endure the saints ... laughing
            1. +3
              23 September 2021 11: 29
              .... the authorities were late ...
              yes, probably. That under the monarchy, that under socialism, its last decades. But ---- someone was late, someone deliberately destroyed ..... Late worked for the destruction (both then and now)
              It created those people of the 90s
              the procrastination of death is like

              So, in my opinion it was said?
              Although I may be wrong about the 90s, I went to grade 1 at 92. Relatives tried not to focus on the negative.
              All sorts of thugs have always been, but here are some positive examples.
          2. 0
            23 September 2021 17: 48
            And this is exactly the result of the ban on ideology

            And where did you find the BAN of ideology that. The prohibition is about making one or another ideology mandatory. But only.
          3. for
            0
            29 September 2021 10: 11
            Quote: Reptiloid
            prohibition of ideology.

            This is also an ideology, in a way.
        4. +1
          23 September 2021 11: 19
          After all, there has been a dysfunctional environment in Russian history more than once ...

          And now she's amazingly safe? AUE was born from scratch? Or "answer for the gear"?
          Or the children of some police officers practicing skills on classmates?
          1. +1
            23 September 2021 11: 28
            Quote: Petro_tut
            And now she's amazingly safe?

            Today, one of the main unfavorable factors is the unlimited spread of the "information storm", harmful information, which even an adult with critical thinking cannot always understand. And not always the personal example and participation of parents in the life of a child can withstand the harmful effects of this storm. And the parents themselves, for various often not valid reasons, do not always understand the necessary degree of their participation in the fight against this information. And this is precisely what is the main reason for this trouble. Although the lazy always always and in everything sees only the state component.
            1. +2
              23 September 2021 12: 36
              A small comment, if I may ...
              To begin with - a parable feel
              Once upon a time there was a small provincial university, one might even say a university. And quite decent people were responsible for the so-called educational work there. And without much noise and pathos, they carried out preventive work, caught potential suicides, various preoccupied with the "national question" and other entities that could deliver ....
              Then this institution was eaten by the university, trying to "rank" and much larger. Within the framework of the "clean-up and enlargement" company that took place some time ago, there was such a thing, if you remember.
              As a result, a person who appeared there a couple of times a month began to be responsible for this educational work. He also ran the college (this is where minors are ... a dime a dozen characters)))), he also supervised, essssno. With all that it implies. And yes, a health worker was abolished to a heap, which, according to the law, should be in such places. From and everything. Now this figure will be the rector (glory to Gd, not in our city). The character who brought him in - from the deputy directors became first the vice-rector, and now - the regional minister of education. There is a lot more to say, but the essence, I think, is clear.
              With the probability of many percent of the diverse ... monks are easy to heap on these problems, as well as on many others. At the same time, the impact on the psyche of the younger generation has only intensified, and it has never been blissful. Fortunately, characters like all these postrelushniks did not study well in school (thanks to the exam) and cannot think. Well, they didn't teach me, otherwise the consequences would be much worse.
              After the previous event, there was a lot of noise about the strengthening of the security, the National Guards in every kindergarten, and similar nonsense. And now, for some reason, no, it's strange, isn't it?
              And so, in pursuit. In our region some time ago, one, having quarreled with his grandmother, took a gun ... Then he went to a stop in this village ...
              So, papa gave him a gun, on DR. By the age of 18. In the course of the investigation, it turned out that both the school and not only she wrote statements about this dunce more than once. official, by the way. So what? Papa is not quite a petty person in the area, so it all ended in nothing. And then my son took a ruzho ...
              I know how medical examinations are held for both the license and the weapon. and everyone knows. How a considerable number of fellow citizens behave on the roads - apparently, they also know ...
              At the same time, for a long time there have been a bunch of tests that allow you to calculate, if not all, then many characters who, not only rights or weapons, cannot be given a toothpick. To the point ...
              1. +2
                23 September 2021 13: 41
                Quote: frog
                To begin with - a parable

                That is why, I think, professionals with a clear understanding of the criteria of the methods and forms of this work and having the appropriate authority to influence the small "princelings" should be engaged in this matter. And it is necessary to start studying not in a "little provincial university", but in the first grade. Starting with identifying the reasons for some children lagging behind the normal level and bringing those lagging behind to this normal level. essence) with clear requirements and responsibility of all educating authorities for the final result.
                1. +3
                  23 September 2021 16: 34
                  The problems are somewhat different.
                  The princes are a separate topic. Eternal. Indestructible.
                  Medical examinations and other related ... items of increased danger - separate.
                  Well, the so-called educational process in education is the third.
                  I have already announced how it happens in real life ..... And the wretched thinks that this is how everything will continue. Bo in a sick society there can be no healthy institutions. Almost any. Alas for us .....
                2. +2
                  23 September 2021 22: 45
                  Quote: Hagen
                  this business should be done by professionals with a clear understanding of the criteria, methods and forms of this work

                  Where to find professionals if nepotism and bribery are rampant. How many decent and honest police officers are left to work? Find an honest DPS destroyer!
                  1. -1
                    23 September 2021 23: 18
                    So this is the task of the state. This problem was solved in Georgia. In Russia, it is impossible to decide because it is already a mentality that has grown out of general poverty and the absence of labor laws for EVERYONE.
                    1. -3
                      24 September 2021 08: 28
                      Quote: FireLake
                      This problem was solved in Georgia.

                      So how is Georgia flourishing today?
                      Quote: FireLake
                      In Russia it is impossible to decide

                      The absolute solution is the ideal, it is really difficult to achieve. But it is possible and necessary to get closer to a solution. There is only one snag - you have already given up. You will not achieve anything. request
                      Quote: FireLake
                      So this is the task of the state

                      And who is the state? Is it living in parallel with you in a different reality? The state is you and me, all the other 145 million ... Do not give bribes, and they will not be taken ... After all, we, the drivers, are shoving a piece of paper to the traffic police when we do not want to answer for a violation. And again, is he the only one to blame? Well done !!!
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                        24 September 2021 08: 58
                        Quote: Hagen
                        The state is you and me, all the other 145 million.

                        You got excited! We are the entourage of the state. And the state is HE, to paraphrase Louis. Can we influence the state? - No
                      2. 0
                        24 September 2021 09: 01
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        We are the entourage under the state

                        You - probably yes ... But this is your personal opinion and, obviously, desire.
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                        24 September 2021 09: 08
                        Quote: Hagen
                        You - probably yes ... But this is your personal opinion and, obviously, desire.

                        How do you influence the state? - Are you shaking the air? The state will do anything with you
                      4. 0
                        24 September 2021 09: 13
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        How do you influence the state?

                        Just like a soldier wins a war ... Although you probably won't understand it.
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                        24 September 2021 10: 16
                        Quote: Hagen
                        I, dear man, have been there myself, one is not a warrior ... You are a clown, sitting near the Arbat, crying about a bad life ... He was sitting in the archive and knows better ... Many bullets whistled over you? You, my dear, grumpy theorist. By the way, I have never (unlike you) said that I am the best. You are here trying to teach with your archival feat. But "commander's nonsense" is not for you to evaluate. For a start, figure it out.
                        As expected, only show-off. Only "I-I-I" There is nothing to object. Another clown.
                        I figured it out, and you, "Ilya Muromets", if you don't know, then don't spoil the atmosphere. There are a lot of couch heroes of you here: they boast, puff, puff out their cheeks, but in fact - .... Better keep silent. And you should sit in the archives, maybe you will wiser if you have something. If the State is you, then you are an accomplice in the whole mess and the same killer as the State. You have thrown soldiers on the ground for 80 years, remembering them only on May 9, you build cottages on their bones, you kill children and the elderly, you destroy the social sphere, you shot at Kerch and Perm and all of you ... in the landfill
                      8. +1
                        24 September 2021 10: 47
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        As expected

                        It seems to me that in the course of your university education, you were mentioned about such a direction of medicine as psychosomatics. I think you understand that imagining yourself as a piece of excrement on the sole of a certain official or just a passer-by, you eventually turn into him. You can be satisfied with a "good" experience. Don't write to me again. I am not a psychotherapist to discuss your mental disorders. Do you like being this piece? Please your household with this ...
                      9. +2
                        24 September 2021 09: 33
                        And who is the state? Is it living in parallel with you in a different reality?

                        As you aptly said !! My congratulations!!!
                        The state, or rather, various characters under this guise, that is, that they live in parallel with us, and in a different reality, if we proceed from what they say feel
                      10. 0
                        24 September 2021 12: 25
                        Neither you nor I are actors and therefore have no influence on the state. We are nobody in the state machine. If we talk about Georgia, then Georgia as a country is not flourishing. But the police don't take bribes. Why? Because the entire roster was COMPLETELY updated. But it is impossible for Russia. In our country, no one is responsible for all the failures, and only Putin is responsible for all the successes. With this approach, nothing will happen. There is no alternative opinion, and without it there will be (and is) stagnation.
                      11. -2
                        24 September 2021 13: 23
                        Quote: FireLake
                        Neither you nor I are actors and therefore have no influence on the state.

                        Considering ourselves individually, as a person, our influence is scanty. But after all, we have the right to quite legally create or join a group with similar views, according to the mass of the group, as well as your mass in this group, the role in politics will also change. It's elementary. The soldier will not win the war, but the victorious army consists of soldiers under a single command. I will not discuss Georgia, I have not been there and have no interest in it. Our police officers will stop taking bribes when their antipodes, violators, stop giving them. And to represent myself as an outside "judge with a halo and wings" - does not seem reasonable to me.
                      12. 0
                        24 September 2021 13: 27
                        But after all, we have the right to quite legally create or join a group with similar views, according to the mass of the group, as well as your mass in this group, the role in politics will also change.

                        Create an independent union at work. Immediately there will be an understanding of how it works and what it leads to. What you are talking about is beautiful and correct. I completely agree with you on this issue. But the problem is different: no one will allow you to create any political structure that will be independent. This directly contradicts the created system. This is especially evident in government agencies.
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                        +1
                        29 September 2021 10: 22
                        Quote: FireLake
                        Because the entire roster was COMPLETELY updated.

                        And what new man was invented there?
                        Yes, the Georgians forgive me, and not only they (the south), they are used to buying everything and everyone.
                      14. -1
                        30 September 2021 22: 13
                        They simply destroyed the established chains and relationships. This is already a huge plus. This was not done in Russia. And it never will be because corruption goes to the very top. For our society, this has become normal and it is extremely regrettable. And somehow it is necessary to change it, but how to do it is another question ... I have no recipe, unfortunately. I want to live like in France: with working trade unions and courts ...
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                    24 September 2021 08: 24
                    Quote: Overlock
                    Where to get professionals if nepotism and bribery are rampant

                    Are you a godfather and a bribe-taker too?
                  3. +1
                    24 September 2021 09: 31
                    Professionals, maybe there are wink From only everything ends as I indicated above - new, "more correct" people come, who absolutely do not care about all these problems. And this is where the professionals you remember end.
                    Because, if we consider just such cases, then all these educators (sorry) are engaged in organizing songs and dances of the peoples of the world, "looking after" those who have benefits and supplying the necessary masses of students at the request from above. Everything. They are not interested in anything else. Of course, there are some renegades, like the same acquaintance. But it is the renegades, statistically everything happens exactly as described.
                    I may be wrong, but in other areas of activity it is about the same. Because the state (and in its entirety and in the person of its individual representatives))) does not give a damn and but this is for that ...
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                      24 September 2021 13: 46
                      Quote: frog
                      new, "more correct" people come, who absolutely don't care about all these problems.

                      ".... Everyone has shortcomings and mistakes in their work, there are no holy people. Therefore, you need to put up with small shortcomings in everyone's work. It is important that the balance is positive ...." Yakovlev counts this phrase as I.V. Stalin. And the balance for today is as follows: the country lives and develops. Let it not be as fast as we would like. Overcomes a rather powerful resistance provided by a force at least 7 times outnumbered. At the same time, it manages to maintain quite acceptable conditions and opportunities for the life and safety of the population. From which I conclude that our balance, on the whole, is positive, even with the existing shortcomings. And if everyone who proudly calls himself the heir, as one put it here, "the red scoop", remembers and adopts the motto of the communists of the 20s "who else if not me !?", then this balance can become even more positive. If you believe yourself and convince your loved ones, children, etc., that
                      Quote: FireLake
                      It is impossible for Russia

                      Quote: frog
                      From only everything ends as I indicated above - new, "more correct" people come who absolutely do not care about all these problems

                      Quote: FireLake
                      Neither you nor I are actors and therefore have no influence on the state.

                      then you should not expect positive changes in life around you. This is a defeatist position. The position of waiting for something to change without our participation. As we approach life, it presents us. Someone joy, someone longing and despondency. Everyone deserves it.
                      1. 0
                        24 September 2021 14: 42
                        And the balance for today is as follows: the country lives and develops. Let it not be as fast as we would like. Overcomes a rather powerful resistance provided by a force that is at least 7 times numerically superior.

                        If you are sure of this, I am happy for you. Personally, I have a different point, but these are my cockroaches. Taking into account where and how we are developing .... The stump is light, we are not yet similar to either Somalia or Uganda. But...
                        Patience and work will grind everything (s)
                        And .... As I already said, but, on a hike, it went "into milk" ... In the given example, it was clear what the current inhabitants of that very pyramid want. Obviously, the same ones, which are 7 times more. If you do not wonder where they came from there. However, due to the taboo nature for you, I see no point in continuing the conversation with the TV. Good luck to you....
                      2. -1
                        24 September 2021 15: 25
                        Quote: frog
                        Taking into account where and how we are developing .... The stump is light, we are not yet similar to either Somalia or Uganda. But...

                        Look at the neighbors. And their start was no worse than ours ... With EBN, we developed in approximately the same direction.
                        Quote: frog
                        Obviously, the same ones, which are 7 times more. If you do not wonder where they came from there.

                        It is good that we agree that this resistance exists. Where does it come from? Europe has always been our enemy. I don’t think we need to explain that she remained our enemy. And when she is unable to take us by the army, as in 1812 or 1941, today she purposefully "hammers" into the head of our population the idea of ​​the need for us to demolish the existing power. And, for example, the "hero" of our time, Navalny, for someone else's money, is trying to convey to us the illegality and inability of the entire head of our pyramid of power. And, I must admit, he is successful, at least in the VO. Here you are
                        Quote: frog
                        another learning

                        Quote: frog
                        However, due to the taboo nature for you, I see no point in continuing the conversation with the TV.

                        You just forgot to concretize this taboo - your real. In my "real life" life, of course, is not sugar, but with some desire it is quite possible to live on your own and influence the local municipality, albeit not on a global scale. The people around do not live simply. But a janitor is hard to find for 25 rubles. Don't go, something. They seem to have something better. (In case of a question about a drop in wages and living standards) You said in your comment that our society is sick. So you are sick with him? I do not want to say that we have everything in openwork. But the Perm problem is not unique in the modern world. There is a similar situation in the United States, Brazil, Canada, Germany, and Norway. I want to say only one thing, if we want to really reduce the risks of such emergencies in educational institutions, then we need to force the authorities to take this issue seriously. Most likely, this will require some consolidation of individual interested citizens into some kind of community. But by dismissal and groaning, like "we are sick and therefore nothing will work out for us", we will definitely not move anything, but we will sign our own laziness. Wouldn't it be disgusting to look in the mirror? You don't have to answer ... That's right, a shot in the air ... nothing personal ...
                      3. +3
                        24 September 2021 19: 52
                        The shepherd also provides the sheep with some safety. Dogs help him, of course. But a sheep is safe as long as it does not need its skin and meat. As the schoolboy wrote - the cow loves to give us milk, skin and meat.
                      4. -1
                        24 September 2021 20: 38
                        Quote: zenion
                        The shepherd also provides the sheep with some safety.

                        I think that we will continue to compete in wit and be touched by the Poles in the hope that the next shooter or other maturing gimmick, which in the current conditions may well appear, will not offend our personal interests. You can continue, sitting in comfort and idleness, write that we cannot ... compare ourselves with rams and cows. Your right...
            2. +1
              26 September 2021 17: 51
              I completely agree. It is the abundance of uncontrolled and unsystematized information that fouls the minds of not children, but also adults. A couple of days ago, a masseuse at a session furiously encouraged me to visit the site of komikaze di. They say only there is truth and my eyes will open. "So the site is not Russian," I say. “That's it,” she says. "If the author appeared in Russia, Putin would immediately kill him." "And Putin is the main thief." Why do you think so? Everywhere and everyone on the internet is talking about it! And that's it! And for her, this is the main argument.
              My daughter was in this college. Thank God in another building. Dad calls me, in our chat they write that there is shooting in several points of the city. I go to the chat, there is some kind of chicken squealing, proving that this attack was not just that, but a planned action by "clearly who", and another 2 universities were attacked. On numerous requests to give the address of the source, he calls everyone dibious putinoids.
              And such stuffing works. For a couple of days there were rumors in Perm that there were several shooters.
              Why am I all this. Internet censorship is required. I didn't think I'd say that. But it's a fact. The Internet has become a powerful factor in influencing the brain. And leaving it uncontrollable is fraught.
      2. +1
        24 September 2021 19: 49
        Stas157. Engels wrote that being determines consciousness. What kind of environment is such a consciousness. Many have not seen the film "The Tramp" with Raj Kapoor, where his bandit chief Jaga teaches - you will steal, rob and kill. Just as now, capitalism and imperialism cannot teach otherwise, and if there are signs of feudalism in it, then everything becomes clear. To become rich by working, or to steal? But everything was stolen before the child was born. All that remains is night work - sharpening a knife in the evening, counting money in the morning. But not everyone can do that. There is a book by Mark Twain "The Mysterious Stranger". Find, read and then it will be clear why this or that happens. Mark Twain is not only a humorist, he is a philosopher because of this, the rich people hate the United States terribly. When people do not see a way out of a state when he cannot change it, he commits suicide. At the same time, some people think that when they bring death to others, it’s like deliverance - Hitler brought this euthanasia to Germany, and then to Europe.
    3. -1
      23 September 2021 09: 39
      What money is there?
      1. +2
        23 September 2021 09: 44
        Quote: Drago
        What money is there?

        Where do you live? How much is a shotgun and a safe for it? A real young student cannot buy without outside help.
        1. +1
          23 September 2021 09: 49
          Shotgun 23 thousand, safe 2, duties, help 8 more, training 2 and read all
          the news-the ghoul himself wrote-saved up money for three years.
          1. +1
            23 September 2021 09: 57
            Quote: Drago
            Shotgun 23 thousand, safe 2, duties, help 8 more, training 2 and read all
            the news-the ghoul himself wrote-saved up money for three years.

            Mom was sitting on her neck, who was aware of her son's inadequacy. That is why I am writing about the demand from parents.
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              23 September 2021 10: 04
              From your parents and how?
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                23 September 2021 10: 06
                Quote: Drago
                From your parents and how?

                Failure to report, complicity.
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                  23 September 2021 10: 10
                  Great idea - children are knocking on parents, parents on children.
                  delighted, we are imprisoned for thought crimes. Bravo, encore.
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                    23 September 2021 10: 14
                    Quote: Drago
                    Great idea - children are knocking on parents, parents on children.
                    delighted, we are imprisoned for thought crimes. Bravo, encore.
                    Radio "Echo of Moscow" would gladly take you as a DJ. And in fact, turning to a psychologist, turning to the police with the words "Don't let your son kill himself" is a completely effective remedy without the horrors of snitching and 37 years.
                    1. +2
                      23 September 2021 10: 18
                      You do not consider the problem in a complex and only try to complicate the system, it does not work.
                      like our stupid power-prohibitions, restrictions, censorship and violence. Primitive.
                      1. -1
                        23 September 2021 10: 20
                        Quote: Drago
                        You do not consider the problem in a complex and only try to complicate the system, it does not work.
                        like our stupid power-prohibitions, restrictions, censorship and violence. Primitive.
                        And which of these actions relates to the stupidity of the mother of the utter? Tell me, open your eyes, otherwise you think with a set of liberoid stamps, which is also not an indicator of intelligence, excuse me.
                      2. +1
                        23 September 2021 10: 31
                        None. You will return from the dreams of the sweet trills of your own voice and just try to hear what they say to you. Do not understand and think. But at least hear.
                      3. -1
                        23 September 2021 10: 39
                        Quote: Drago
                        just try to hear what they say to you, do not understand and think, but at least hear.
                        A set of words or even sentences does not always mean meaningful speech.
                      4. +1
                        23 September 2021 10: 45
                        Well, it's a master's business, I understand. They wrote here, my head swells.
                        And we must take everything and divide it up.
                      5. 0
                        23 September 2021 11: 07
                        Quote: Drago
                        just try to hear what you are told.

                        Well, let's see what kind of thoughts you tried to convey:
                        Quote: Drago
                        Shotgun 23 thousand, safe 2, duties, help 8 more, training 2 and read all
                        the news-the ghoul himself wrote-saved up money for three years.
                        Doesn't feel like thinking, but if you had children, then you wouldn't write about 30 thousand that it's a penny.

                        Quote: Drago
                        Great idea - children are knocking on parents, parents on children.
                        delighted, we are imprisoned for thought crimes. Bravo, encore.
                        It's amazing how about Stalin's guardsmen and 1937 was not mentioned. Although, even in this case, I would not have been drawn to the idea.


                        Quote: Drago
                        You do not consider the problem in a complex and only try to complicate the system, it does not work.
                        like our stupid power-prohibitions, restrictions, censorship and violence. Primitive.
                        Here's just a bunch of words. Primitive in one word.


                        Quote: Drago
                        None. You will return from the dreams of the sweet trills of your own voice and just try to hear what they say to you. Do not understand and think. But at least hear.
                        Like a trill, a good word.
                    2. +1
                      23 September 2021 11: 56
                      Have you seen a lot of parents who go to inform their children?
                      Oh, my son bought a gun.
                      And what is unusual here?
                      He will also buy books about hunting for disguise.
                      And what will be the claims?
                      What article, according to what law, will you present for the purchase?
                      Conversations in the kitchen can be reduced to yes no, or you can constantly push the legend of a passion for hunting, etc.
                      1. -1
                        23 September 2021 12: 04
                        Quote: Revival
                        Have you seen a lot of parents who go to inform their children?

                        And in fact, an appeal to a psychologist, an appeal to the police with the words "Don't let your son kill himself" is quite an effective means and is not a denunciation, moreover, no one will prosecute his son.

                        Quote: Revival
                        He will also buy books about hunting for disguise.
                        And what will be the claims?
                        None, only they did not buy books about hunting and did not receive hunting tickets.

                        Quote: Revival
                        What article, according to what law, will you present for the purchase?
                        Once again, seeking help from a psychologist and even the police is not a reason for criminal prosecution of either the parents or the subject.

                        Quote: Revival
                        Conversations in the kitchen can be reduced to yes no, or you can constantly push the legend of a passion for hunting, etc.
                        I will agree to cut back, but buying a gun and reticence are very alarming symptoms, at least a suicidal tendency.
                      2. +2
                        23 September 2021 12: 55
                        You are replacing the original necessary check, with a check on a denunciation.
                        What can a parent tell a psychologist about their adult child that they have bought a gun?
                        So he bought it openly.
                        That he is not talkative?
                        And if he is talkative, but everything is about hunting?
                        And that the psychologist will arrest him and investigate?
                        On what basis will an adult citizen be checked and how?
                        Mom said she was worried that an adult had officially bought a gun?
                        Or do you think such characters are running around the house in complete inadequacy, screaming, and now I'm going to kill everyone?
                        Or do you propose to her to thicken the colors and deliberately utter such conjectures so that her hair stands on end?
                      3. -1
                        23 September 2021 13: 00
                        Quote: Revival
                        You are replacing the original required check

                        Why do you think so?
                        Quote: Revival
                        What can a parent tell a psychologist about their adult child that they have bought a gun?
                        That a closed, vulnerable person expressed aggression towards others, and even bought a gun, a doctor, or a local policeman, I'm afraid for him!

                        Quote: Revival
                        Mom said she was worried that an adult had officially bought a gun?
                        Hey, are you there where you saw an adult?
                      4. +3
                        23 September 2021 13: 22
                        1) "That a closed, vulnerable person expressed aggression towards others, and even bought a gun, a doctor, or a local policeman, I'm afraid for him!"

                        1.1) doctor.
                        Well, what are the further actions of the doctor?
                        Will he come to talk?
                        Forced! will he call you?

                        1.2) precinct.
                        Will he come to talk?
                        Hello, I gave you a testimonial for the purchase of a gun. And you bought it? (Doesn't he know?).
                        Your mom worry ...
                        And?

                        PS
                        Hey, by the Law he bought the gun officially!
                        Все.
                        He is an adult.
                        You cannot sew a personal attitude towards age to business.

                        How many closed and vulnerable are we going to check?
                        And if not closed, then report that something is very reckless, and even bought a gun?

                        Everything you talk about should be checked and identified before the sale, then late, mostly.
                        Messages where necessary are possible in rare cases, when here is an obvious inadequate, so to speak, observed by everyone.
                      5. -2
                        23 September 2021 14: 03
                        Quote: Revival
                        Well, what are the further actions of the doctor?
                        Will he come to talk?
                        Forced! will he call you?


                        If the fact of the presence or absence of a citizen subject to involuntary hospitalization, mental illness was not previously identified, then it must be forcibly examined. An application for examination is submitted to a psychiatrist relatives of a citizen, a doctor of any medical specialty, officials and other citizens (for example, police officers) (part 1 of article 23, part 2 of article 25 of the Law of 02.07.1992 No. 3185-1).

                        Statement must be submitted in writing and contain detailed information justifying the need for an examination, and an indication of the refusal of the person or his legal representative to consult a psychiatrist. At the same time, the psychiatrist has the right to request additional information necessary for making a decision (part 4 of article 25 of the Law of 02.07.1992 No. 3185-1) ...
                        ... In case of involuntary hospitalization police officers are required to assist medical workers and ensure safe conditions for examination of the hospitalized person and access to him (part 3 of article 30 of the Law of 02.07.1992 No. 3185-1).

                        God forbid, of course, but there is a mechanism, And no need to play the fool.
                      6. +3
                        23 September 2021 14: 47
                        "The application must be submitted in writing and contain detailed information justifying the need for the survey."

                        Art. 23 of the Law of 02.07.1992 No. 3185-1:
                        Psychiatric examination of a person can be carried out without his consent or without the consent of his legal representative IN CASES WHEN ON THE AVAILABLE DATA the subject commits actions that give grounds to assume that he has a serious mental disorder, which causes:
                        a) his immediate danger to himself or others.

                        Do you really believe that the DATA "that the subject is taking actions that give reason to assume that he has a severe mental disorder" in the statement will be:

                        1) he bought a gun legally
                        2) some kind of closed, silent.
                        ??

                        Or do you think that they walk around the apartment in front of everyone and iron the gun, saying how everyone will be killed?

                        For such statements from relatives, very strong arguments are needed, and not just, but he bought a gun.

                        Crazy does not mean that he is necessarily dumb as a cork fuck.
                        Can deliberately behave normally.
                      7. -2
                        23 September 2021 15: 00
                        Quote: Revival
                        For such statements from relatives, very strong arguments are needed, and not just, but he bought a gun.

                        I asked you not to play the fool. There is a mechanism, which means that this question is answered:
                        Well, what are the further actions of the doctor?
                        Will he come to talk?
                        Forced! will he call you?

                        If mummy is not afraid for others, then for the blood, for fear of his suicide, she will reach the Minister of Health.

                        Quote: Revival
                        Crazy does not mean that he is necessarily dumb as a cork fuck.
                        Can deliberately behave normally.
                        Well, you are a specialist in psychiatry.
                        a sharp change in mood or behavior - the desire to settle old conflicts, spend the last hours with loved ones, or, on the contrary, search for solitude, distance from relatives and friends; summing up, putting things in order;
                        purchase of funds for committing suicide.
                        A memo from the Ministry of Emergency Situations in general.
                      8. +3
                        23 September 2021 15: 27
                        Uh-huh.
                        A very working method, right now, parents will send their children to write for a compulsory examination in a psychiatric hospital, we are waiting ...
                        And the procedure is, of course, in theory, it is consoling ..
                      9. -2
                        23 September 2021 16: 09
                        Quote: Revival
                        A very working method, right now, parents will send their children to write for a compulsory examination in a psychiatric hospital, we are waiting ...

                        You are stubbornly fooling around, it's a pity.
                      10. +2
                        23 September 2021 22: 50
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        then it must be forcibly examined.

                        Quote: Revival
                        Art. 23 of the Law of 02.07.1992 No. 3185-1:
                        Psychiatric examination of a person can be carried out without his consent or without the consent of his legal representative

                        In my opinion, you are wrong. Nobody will break this law
                      11. +1
                        23 September 2021 14: 53
                        It is not necessary to issue the procedure provided for exceptional cases as a panacea.
                        In principle, a lot of things are possible, but this procedure is not applicable as a preventive measure.
                        This can only work against stupid obvious inadequacies, which themselves do not hide.
                      12. -2
                        23 September 2021 15: 04
                        Quote: Revival
                        It is not necessary to issue the procedure provided for exceptional cases as a panacea.
                        In principle, a lot of things are possible, but this procedure is not applicable as a preventive measure.
                        This can only work against stupid obvious inadequacies, which themselves do not hide.
                        Suspicion of attempted suicide is a legitimate and morally justified reason for relatives to seek help.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        a sharp change in mood or behavior - the desire to settle old conflicts, spend the last hours with loved ones, or, on the contrary, search for solitude, distance from relatives and friends; summing up, putting things in order;
                        purchase of funds for committing suicide.
                        A memo from the Ministry of Emergency Situations in general.
                      13. +1
                        23 September 2021 15: 29
                        In the last example, the ditch had been quietly preparing for years, apparently without sharp changes in anything.
                      14. +2
                        23 September 2021 22: 48
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And in fact, an appeal to a psychologist, an appeal to the police with the words "Don't let your son commit suicide"

                        How many examples in the internet when they call after a threat to kill, and they are answered "when they kill, then when we go." I went to the police on a number of occasions - it’s easier not to talk to them, it’s useless or worse
                2. -2
                  24 September 2021 09: 02
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Failure to report, complicity.

                  So dad bought him a weapon and taught him how to shoot. And dad is a soldier of fortune, probably with a deformation of the psyche. Killing is his profession and it is profitable for the state. Why did he become like this? Mental health problems or unemployment?
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              23 September 2021 11: 21
              Sitting on Mommy's neck

              Place ads in boxes, they don't ask for age
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              29 September 2021 10: 33
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              who was aware of her son's inadequacy

              Do you know this family that close?
        2. -1
          23 September 2021 23: 19
          So maybe he earned it? To save 200k in 2 years is generally bullshit.
    4. +6
      23 September 2021 10: 14
      You can earn money at the car wash, in retail, laying out goods at night, movers and there are still places for young people ... this is not a problem at all, aphids for those who have a goal ...
      1. -5
        23 September 2021 10: 18
        Quote: vitvit123
        You can earn money at the car wash, in retail, laying out goods at night, movers and there are still places for young people ... this is not a problem at all, aphids for those who have a goal ...

        It is possible, but the parents were aware of the "oddities" in all cases. Because all these small children were sitting on the parents' necks.
        1. +2
          23 September 2021 10: 20
          Do you have children?
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 10: 23
            Quote: Drago
            Do you have children?
            I have yes, and you? And where are you broadcasting from?
            1. +3
              23 September 2021 10: 34
              I don’t believe. But I am prophesying from Great Ukraine, with the money of the State Department, on assignment
              Turkish intelligence which was incited by the Queen of Britain.
              1. -3
                23 September 2021 10: 38
                Quote: Drago
                I do not believe.

                Those. you have no children.
                Quote: Drago
                And I'm broadcasting from Great Ukraine, with the money of the State Department, on assignment
                Turkish intelligence which was incited by the Queen of Britain.
                You are clearly exaggerating. You pull the maximum on Venediktov's half.
        2. +5
          23 September 2021 10: 28
          They could be aware of, and some teenagers may hide their condition and parents will not be aware of ... about anything ...
          1. -2
            23 September 2021 10: 31
            Quote: vitvit123
            They could be aware of, and some teenagers may hide their condition and parents will not be aware of ... about anything ...

            They can, but the purchase of a safe and a gun is difficult to hide, and in the kitchen, too, communication will not go anywhere, as it seems to me.
            1. +1
              23 September 2021 10: 43
              It seems to you. Either you have no children or are still small.
              1. 0
                23 September 2021 11: 08
                Quote: Drago
                It seems to you. Either you have no children or are still small.

                Didn't see anything about your children, are they available or what?
            2. 0
              23 September 2021 10: 43
              And communication in the kitchen can "get away" ..
              Not as 100% - the effectiveness of parental perception is not guaranteed against not repeating such cases ... especially when a boy (for example) grows up with a mother without a father ... and the presence of a father, of course, is also not 100%, just extra eyes
        3. 0
          23 September 2021 11: 24

          It is possible, but the parents were aware of the "strangeness" in all cases.

          In the case when the parents were police officers, this is true, they themselves taught the children to be armed, And if the parents were single, they fed them there, they cleaned them off and sent them to school and that's it ..
        4. +3
          23 September 2021 13: 12
          If parents inform about all oddities, then half of the children in the country will have to be checked and checked.

          Plus, no one wants to register their child for any reason and without, everyone understands that this will close many prospects later.
        5. +2
          23 September 2021 13: 47
          "Oddities" can be recruited from 80% of children because of their childhood, because of stupidity, they do not throw knives at everyone.
          Will we register everyone from the age of 10?
          It doesn't work that way, half of the country will have to be checked with a conveyor in a circle if every oddity is noted.
          What you are talking about is such oddities that can be seen from a kilometer, but such a percentage is very small of all the strange, many behave quite usually, you won’t find fault with it, here you don’t need to deceive yourself
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 13: 51
            Quote: Revival
            "Oddities" can be recruited from 80% of children because of their childhood, because of stupidity, they do not throw knives at everyone.

            Decide whether you are an adult or a child of an early age. And a young child cannot acquire a weapon.
            Quote: Revival
            What you are talking about is such oddities that can be seen from a kilometer, but such a percentage is very small of all strange
            You are not a psychiatrist, what you cannot see a psychiatrist can see from a mile away.
            1. +2
              23 September 2021 13: 59
              "Decide whether it is an adult or a child from an early age. And a young child cannot acquire a weapon."

              If this is not a child, but a person who has bought a weapon, then by law he is already independent.
              If, however, the reason for the denunciation is precisely the official purchase of weapons, then he is already an adult, on what basis will you check him, on the basis of perhaps just someone's ravings?
              Or will the informant bring a video of his rampages at home?

              How do you get an adult to be tested, to talk to a psychiatrist?
              1. -2
                23 September 2021 14: 07
                Quote: Revival
                How do you get an adult to be tested, to talk to a psychiatrist?
                It may not be very simple, but it is possible.
                Please read my answer to you just above.
    5. 0
      23 September 2021 10: 23
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      And sometimes it even makes me glad that many, I hope - the overwhelming majority, of those who could pick up a shotgun, like a Perm student,

      Where does the student get money for weapons and equipment? The demand from the parents of the urod should be no less than from the very urod!

      The news said he had saved up. Or maybe he was psychologically processed and the recruiters financially secured the purchase of weapons.
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 10: 46
        What other "recruiters" can a clinical psychopath have, characterized by a craving for sadism and immoderate lust for power?
        1. 0
          23 September 2021 11: 10
          Ordinary, because of the nature of my service, I came across executors of sentences.
          They are all on the verge of debility. They are specially selected.
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 12: 06
            Quote: Drago
            Ordinary, because of the nature of my service, I came across executors of sentences.
            They are all on the verge of debility. They are specially selected.

            What?? (Exclamation). And now the question is: the executors of which such sentences?
            1. +1
              23 September 2021 12: 12
              Regular .SK.
              1. 0
                23 September 2021 12: 19
                Quote: Drago
                Regular .SK.

                On April 16, 1997, Russia signed Protocol No. 6 to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms regarding the abolition of the death penalty (in peacetime). Despite the fact that the 6th Protocol was never ratified by Russia, from that moment on, the death penalty in Russia is prohibited to be applied in accordance with the Vienna Convention.
                So what are the sentences?
                1. 0
                  23 September 2021 12: 23
                  Do you know such a concept - veterans? Hospital? Old age? Diseases? Doctor?
                  1. -1
                    23 September 2021 12: 25
                    Quote: Drago
                    Do you know such a concept - veterans? Hospital? Old age? Illness? Doctor?

                    Are you aware of the concept of senile dementia? Children are available, ay, did not notice the answer.
        2. +2
          23 September 2021 14: 12
          Quote: Terran Ghost
          What other "recruiters" can a clinical psychopath have, characterized by a craving for sadism and immoderate lust for power?

          It is precisely these who are processed, they are easier to give in and it is easier to push them into such actions.
    6. +2
      23 September 2021 13: 10
      Elementary, could get a job in magdak, etc.
    7. +3
      23 September 2021 13: 35
      The price of a Turkish smoothbore is 20-30 tr. The price of the iPhone 60-160. Are there any questions?
    8. +1
      23 September 2021 15: 19
      what is the problem of making money? Pizza delivery man, go to work at a construction site, but there are a lot of options ...
    9. +2
      23 September 2021 23: 16
      [quote = Vladimir_2U] Where does the student get money for weapons and equipment? The demand from the parents of the ugly should be no less than from the very urod!
      Father gave the money.
      And his father is a mercenary, he fought in Chechnya, Donbass and many other places.
      “Timur's father does not live with them. I know what makes a living by war. He also worked with a Chechen mercenary and then fought in almost all hot spots, including the Donbass. "Timur saw weapons from childhood:" Several of his father's guns are still kept in this apartment, Timur learned to shoot with them. " 38 thousand rubles for a gun, with which Bekmansurov came to the university today, the interlocutor continued, given to him in the summer by his “own parents”. "He and his classmate Volodya all went to the training ground together in the summer to shoot him."
      https://www.znak.com/2021-09-21/otec_naemnik_mat_nachalnik_kak_permskiy_strelok_timur_bekmansurov_stal_ubiycey_i_pochemu_ego_nikto_n
    10. 0
      25 September 2021 18: 16
      Excuse me, but what kind of money is there? well, ok, medical board 3 tons training 4 tons state duty 2 tons saiga 410 4 tons safe 5 tons (all rounded up) These are my legal costs and I am with the barrel. RUB 18 Yes, he will sell Athos and there will be enough money, bystrozheim and give the unemployed. Not a single reason at all. And the law on weapons has nothing to do with it, it would not have crushed the barrel by the machine. Here you need to look at the root, the author is right about something
    11. 0
      26 September 2021 15: 22
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The demand from the parents of the ugly should be no less than from the very urod!

      And from friends, acquaintances, and from teachers.
  2. 0
    23 September 2021 05: 36
    There is no international terrorism in the world, there is the work of special services. (c) Evil tongues say that the cases in Crimea, Kazan and Perm are subversive activities of the Turkish special services with young people through Islamists and other cells.
    --------
    Return upbringing to school, remove the exam, and "Work brothers" (c).
    1. -1
      23 September 2021 05: 41
      It may very well be. what such a version is quite plausible ... given Erdogan's desire to revive the Turkish empire at the expense of the borders of Russia ... interesting ... we need to reflect on this.
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 06: 31
        Alexey, welcome. You need to think quickly and work. Otherwise, the Turkish "Allah's Witnesses" will continue to work. By the way, two of the three columbiners are ethnic Tatars ...
        1. 0
          23 September 2021 06: 42
          Hello hi!
          In my native Novosibirsk, uninvited guests from terrorist organizations began to frequently appear in my native Novosibirsk ... they penetrate together as migrant workers ...
          Recently, the FSB officers neutralized such a group ... the alarm remains that a trained terrorist can pass through their sieve and carry out a terrorist attack ... while God had mercy on this ... I hope this will continue.
          1. -3
            23 September 2021 06: 49
            Ears stick out behind the Turkish special services 6. Englishwoman shits (c)
            1. 0
              23 September 2021 07: 54
              Ruslan, the kindest! but I do not agree, I think. Turks are not fools themselves
              1. +1
                23 September 2021 08: 21
                Novel, hi , this is an assumption at the level of "chuyka" and analysis of intelligence signs, ugh news of recent months. Just recently a destroyer came in, the Brits blew up the Kabul airport and threaten to use bacteriological weapons in Europe and activate Islamists in Europe as well. Turks are just a structure.
                Plus Patrushev spoke recently about the imperial ambitions of the shaved.
                1. +1
                  23 September 2021 08: 25
                  as they said - a real intelligence officer gets information from newspapers lol
                  1. +1
                    23 September 2021 08: 26
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    as they said - a real intelligence officer gets information from newspapers lol

                    And then wink
          2. +5
            23 September 2021 08: 24
            Well, the FSB also need to report to certain work
    2. Cat
      +1
      23 September 2021 09: 04
      Return upbringing to school, remove the exam, and "Work brothers" (c).

      Will not help. It is necessary to return "punitive" psychiatry. Well, or at least the psychiatric supervision service - you can call it differently.
      1. +1
        23 September 2021 09: 20
        Agree. Punitive psychiatry is something that needs to be applied to many officials! hi
    3. +4
      23 September 2021 09: 16
      Not only was the upbringing removed from school, but apparently they want to completely shift the education of children to their parents. Here's a piece of paper yesterday at school they gave and asked to sign ... So rumors about the intention of a full transfer to distance education may be quite real intentions ...
    4. 0
      23 September 2021 11: 29
      There is no international terrorism in the world, there is the work of special services. (c) Evil tongues say that the cases in Crimea, Kazan and Perm are subversive activities of the Turkish special services with young people through Islamists and other cells.

      And what about rastrel in Moscow forgot to mention?
      Was your father recruiting his son there?
      Eco Turks are deeply recruiting laughing
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 20: 15
        And the twin towers, the neighboring building and the Pentagon, too, the daddy from Moscow bombed? lol Forgot to mention recourse
        Who are you, anyway, Petro? I'll probably take you on a pencil ✏️
        Where do you live? How old are you? Liberast?
      2. -1
        23 September 2021 20: 29
        Quote: Petro_tut
        There is no international terrorism in the world, there is the work of special services. (c) Evil tongues say that the cases in Crimea, Kazan and Perm are subversive activities of the Turkish special services with young people through Islamists and other cells.

        And what about rastrel in Moscow forgot to mention?
        Was your father recruiting his son there?
        Eco Turks are deeply recruiting laughing

        Did you feel a finger in the elections on Sunday? And the fingers, here they are ...
  3. +16
    23 September 2021 05: 59
    How times change .. In the village, my grandfather had a gun in the annex (which had never been closed in life), cartridges were right there, next to packs of cigarettes. And so it was for many. And no one shot anyone ..
    1. +8
      23 September 2021 07: 12
      In Canada, even now, if the owners of the house, then the doors are not locked. And when asked by a journalist whether they need a weapon, they are surprised - why? I'm not a hunter or a soldier!
      Society. If everything around is good, not annoying, if you believe the country's leadership and the police, then a minor insult remains a trifle, and not a drop that has filled the cup.
      You can buy guns, pistols, but if you don't have a sense of security, then you will start to obsessively look at your neighbors - have they bought the arsenal too? And if you bought it, then why? Against who?
      1. +2
        23 September 2021 08: 00
        I absolutely agree. hi
        I don't know about Canada, I watched a program about Iceland, that's about the same as you described, and the doors don't close, and everything else.
        1. +5
          23 September 2021 09: 39
          From the history of the USSR and my life in it:
          At the age of 8, he came to the village to see his grandmother in the Kurgan region: The gates did not close, they put a stick at the door to the house if there was no one in the house.
          At the age of 12 ...: the gate did not close, there was a lock at the door in the house.
          At the age of 16 ...: the gate is locked, the door in the house is locked.
          At the age of 20 ...: the gates are locked, the doors are locked, the collective farm equipment on which the uncle worked at the house !!!
          I was born in 1959.
          So we had everything and can not be compared with either Canada or Iceland!
    2. +7
      23 September 2021 08: 33
      They simply did not report this, and in the same Novosibirsk, a psychoed pilot EMNIP because of his wife rammed the house on the An-2.
  4. +1
    23 September 2021 06: 00
    You cannot publish the NAMES of terrorists! Each such shooter is thirsty, because of his inferiority to the glory of Herostratus!
    1. 0
      23 September 2021 13: 57
      Why only terrorists?
      And such as this is necessary?
      Moreover, before starting, they publish everything themselves, so it will not be possible to leave incognito.
      1. 0
        24 September 2021 04: 15
        Is he a real terrorist or are you obliged to have a beard and slates?
        1. 0
          24 September 2021 11: 07
          Look at the definition of terrorism in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and questions will disappear.
          It doesn't fall under it
  5. +5
    23 September 2021 06: 02
    This is not a syndrome, it is already commonplace.
  6. +14
    23 September 2021 06: 08
    The author looked directly into my thoughts. The propaganda of violence is pouring from all TV screens, although it is served under a pretentious sauce. Violence and gopnicity. AUE rejoices. .How in war it is necessary to show not only the heroes of the war and the rear, but also the urkagans. Hatred of our enemies turns into an internal one. And the traffic cop is great !!!!!
  7. +2
    23 September 2021 07: 50
    On Echo yesterday I read an article about the execution in Perm, the article itself is more or less about the actions of gayts. But one of the comments just killed. The shooting was carried out to divert attention from the counting of votes. As a simple traffic cop with one PM, without special training, he coped with a shooter with a shotgun ... etc. etc.
  8. 0
    23 September 2021 08: 11
    And why do pump-action shotguns in the civilian market? They have nothing to do with hunting, this thing is only intended for killing people. Agree, their hunting dvkstvook not arrange a mass execution. A shotgun is a weapon of police officers, as in the United States, or of bandits, as in the Russian Federation. It is not for nothing that Saiga is so popular with criminals.
    1. +1
      23 September 2021 11: 25
      Quote: Stalker84
      And why do pump-action shotguns in the civilian market?

      I will secretly remind you about France - when a terrorist WITHOUT weapons - just on a truck (!!!) crushed people on the embankment ...... Let's ban trucks?
      For the victim it will be all the same - buckshot hit him or his truck boldly ...
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 11: 47
        And what does this prove? I personally have nothing against hunting rifles and ancient weapons in the hands of reenactors. But ordinary people don't need a shotgun, we don't live in Brazilian favelas.
        1. +4
          23 September 2021 11: 54
          Quote: Stalker84
          ? I personally have nothing against hunting rifles.

          Oops
          Quote: Stalker84
          ! They have nothing to do with hunting, this thing is only intended for killing people.

          Have you been hunting a goose? Sometimes even 5 rounds are not enough for him - to get him ..
          You start to say things ...
          And yes - an ordinary double-barreled shotgun with an ejector reloads almost instantly - just training and cartridges on hand
  9. +6
    23 September 2021 08: 12
    If ghouls are being intensively raised in a country, ghouls will grow.
  10. 0
    23 September 2021 08: 24
    It is necessary to wet during the arrest. That's the whole recipe at this historical stage. And then the pictures were sent to the network with a smashed head.
    1. +2
      23 September 2021 09: 57
      He actually followed this. But this is a difficult idea for you. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I understand that it was suicide.
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 10: 11
        Difficult thought? Why is it suddenly such globally hasty conclusions? A clear understanding that your mortal body of the center of the universe will simply be turned into manure will clear the head of many. And what is happening now is heroization.
        1. 0
          23 September 2021 10: 22
          Very difficult, not your level.
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 10: 40
            The fact that the "unique snowflake" will not be given its moment of fame, but simply turned into food for worms with the demonstration of such photos, from which many will simply vomit, will serve as a lesson. It is necessary for the teenager to clearly form an understanding that after such a trick no one will be interested in his "inner world" and how he came to such a life
            1. +1
              23 September 2021 11: 31
              In the Middle Ages, for 300 years they were fried alive in oil on the squares of counterfeiters. A deep-fried meat range stood over the cities ...
              Did it help? Schaz ...
              Everyone knows- 'Everyone will die - but I do not !! I am immortal !!!!! "
              Therefore, any complications of the execution are pointless, although dropping from a 5-kilometer height with broadcasting - how it flies and screeches and shits ... will not help
            2. 0
              23 September 2021 13: 55
              They themselves publish everything in advance, before the start, so that they no longer remain unknown.
    2. 0
      23 September 2021 10: 02
      Quote: DmSol
      It is necessary to wet during the arrest. That's the whole recipe at this historical stage. And then the pictures were sent to the network with a smashed head.

      That's it! And not to "explore" --- how he came to such a life. Do not procrastinate, do not replicate, and do not shoot films or interviews about them.
    3. 0
      23 September 2021 13: 58
      They die and go. Therefore, it is better to take them alive if possible, and then show / prove the inferiority of their actions to the public.
  11. +7
    23 September 2021 08: 25
    You have to read a lot that, they say, the death penalty is harmful because there may be a miscarriage of justice, but here, how can you be mistaken? Why does this geek have to live? Why will the relatives of the deceased and those affected by his actions from their taxes have to pay for his accommodation in the colony, provide him with food, service, and wash? And then, when he comes out, they will have to pay him a pension. Such people need to be shot publicly - before the start of football matches. And broadcast the shootings all over the country - on all channels, like the President's New Year's address. And not to promote in full, like a "Skopinsky maniac", based on the adventures of which on TNT even the shameful TV series "Manyachello" was filmed. Then the number of such crimes will immediately drop sharply.
    1. +1
      23 September 2021 09: 17
      And how will we then differ from the same Taliban? Plus open executions are the same advertising for the whole country.
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 11: 32
        Quote: Gembyh124
        And how will we then differ from the same Taliban? Plus open executions are the same advertising for the whole country.

        Judging by the fact that this is repeated, it does not even help the Taliban
  12. 0
    23 September 2021 08: 56
    Quote: A. Podymov
    How to get now that there are no more repetitions. Even trying ...

    First thought, then action.

    Everything is very simple and not simple. It is necessary to change the policy of the Means of Consciousness Formation, which we refer to as mass media. The media do not inform, they shape our view of the world. If on TV the sutra shows defects until evening, where all corrupt cops, noble robbers, rapists and murderers. If the news shows the same thing, then how can you expect that the child will grow up adequate.

    In the USSR, there was information for official use (DSP), which was not subject to public disclosure. I believe that this practice should be returned. We must stop advertising such individuals.

    The West openly declares information war on us... In response, we simply have to shield ourselves from their information. First of all, close the Internet from the West - completely switch to your servers, in the image and likeness of China. Control game servers, prohibit them from malicious content, and allow them to work no more than one hour per day.

    Almost everyone has a webcam. There is no problem to provide access to the Internet by a person who is assigned an IP address (static) when registering with a provider - we all provide a passport, incl. only a child in kindergarten can consider the Internet anonymous ... In this case, as a rule, parents will physically give permission to the child to enter the Internet. In addition, there should be automatic registration on all sites according to passport data - this will significantly increase the culture of communication and in case of violation of the Law, there will be someone to ask ... and a lot of things to protect us from inadequacy, including from abroad ... In war, as in war.

    If we do not want a repetition of these events in the future, we simply have to do it.
    1. 0
      23 September 2021 09: 46
      You're right, but it's too late.
      1. +3
        23 September 2021 09: 47
        Quote: Drago
        You're right, but it's too late.

        No. It's not too late. Otherwise, there would be no one to stop him. Here's who to write about:

        1. 0
          23 September 2021 09: 52
          It would be nice if you were right. Only the trends say something different.
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 09: 58
            Quote: Drago
            It would be nice if you were right. Only the trends say something different.

            If "our" media do not talk about our heroes, and the directors do not shoot films and serials about them, this does not mean that they do not exist.

            List of Heroes of the Russian Federation for the last three years only:

            2019 (9 people)
            Kovtun Vladimir Pavlovich (February 15, 2019)
            Voskresensky Andrey Vladimirovich (July 5, 2019)
            Oparin Denis Alexandrovich (July 5, 2019)
            Dmitry Soloviev (July 5, 2019)
            Somov Konstantin Yurievich (July 5, 2019)
            Murzin Georgy Alexandrovich (August 16, 2019)
            Yusupov Damir Kasimovich (August 16, 2019)
            Chemezov Sergey Viktorovich (09.2019)
            Sergei Prokopyev (11.11.2019)

            2020 (5 people)
            Rudskoy Sergey Fedorovich (February 2020)
            Serdyukov Andrey Nikolaevich (__ February 2020)
            Shaimuratov Minigali Mingazovich (March 30, 2020)
            Chaiko Alexander Yurievich (00.00.2020)
            Maslov Dmitry Nikolaevich (00.00.2020)

            2021 (2 people)
            Zinichev Evgeny Nikolaevich (September 9, 2021)
            Chalaev Zamid Alievich (00.05.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX)

            There are many times more people awarded the Order of Courage.
            1. +1
              23 September 2021 10: 03
              I will not argue. It is useless. Do you think that you can kill everyone? Your right. And I already understood, you need to fight with the roots, not with the leaves.
              1. +1
                23 September 2021 10: 05
                Quote: Drago
                Do you think you can kill everyone?

                Not to kill, but to educate, to protect from negative information is the duty not only of parents (many of whom need to be re-educated themselves), but of the state.

                Quote: Drago
                And I already understood, it is necessary to fight the roots, not the leaves.

                Yes, first of all it is necessary to fight against hostile information. Everything else is the consequences of its perception, and as they say, the consequences can be fought to infinity.
                1. 0
                  23 September 2021 10: 07
                  This is where you find yourself in the vicious circle of the Gordian knot of capitalism.
                  1. +1
                    23 September 2021 10: 09
                    Quote: Drago
                    This is where you find yourself in the vicious circle of the Gordian knot of capitalism.

                    Who told you that I am an adherent of capitalism?
                    I am against any exploitation of man by man.
                    1. 0
                      23 September 2021 10: 13
                      But think similarly. You seem to be a spontaneous opponent of capitalism.
                      1. +2
                        23 September 2021 10: 15
                        Quote: Drago
                        You seem to be a spontaneous opponent of capitalism.

                        It's too late for me to be "spontaneous".
                        That's all. I don't like getting personal.
                      2. 0
                        23 September 2021 10: 27
                        I don't like it either. But what to do? Personal circle. That person, this person. One person takes a shotgun and goes to kill children, another person offers bars, security, collective responsibility and preventive landings for thought-crimes. A plague on both
                        your homes.
                2. +2
                  23 September 2021 22: 59
                  Quote: Boris55
                  and to educate, to protect from negative information is the duty not only of parents (many of whom need to be re-educated themselves), but of the state.

                  Then the children will ask, why do we live worse than our neighbors? Where are our social rights? And the state will have nothing to answer, and who have not received an answer will suddenly become revolutionaries? So it is beneficial for the state, and it is not the children of members of the government and the elite who are being shot.
                  1. -1
                    24 September 2021 07: 11
                    Quote: Overlock
                    Then the children will ask, why do we live worse than our neighbors?

                    Who told you and them that we live worse than they do?

                    Quote: Overlock
                    Where are our social rights?

                    First you need to understand that there are no rights without obligations, what a state is (http://fct-altai.ru/files/2021/O_mire_krivykh_zerkal_2_original.pdf) and explain to children in accessible language so that they do not ask stupid questions.
    2. +3
      23 September 2021 10: 43
      Well, another rechekryak on the denial of human rights and freedoms. Expected unfortunately. With calls for total censorship and mass punishment of persons who were not at all involved in what happened.
      In addition, there should be automatic registration on all sites for passport data

      But what if I do not want my actions to become known to some relatives and representatives of employers? I just don't want to. And I think I have the right to privacy from their "curiosity".
      Control game servers, prohibit them from malicious content, and allow them to work no more than one hour per day.

      That is, it is proposed to punish all fans of computer games. Just because someone doesn't like their hobby. Although there are tens of millions of gamers, and only a few killers. That is, there is no direct connection between these phenomena. And it can't be, because psychopaths and serial killers existed long before the advent of computer games.
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 14: 19
        Tact is the opus of a Soviet-era pensioner.
        They all have one answer: prohibit and not let go.
    3. +2
      23 September 2021 11: 36
      Quote: Boris55
      In the USSR, there was information for official use (DSP), not subject to public disclosure. WITH

      And then Suvorov / Rezun came and split the society - which had not received sufficient information before.
      There was no information about Hadi Taktash in the 1970s - but everyone knew about them.
      1. +1
        23 September 2021 23: 00
        Quote: your1970
        And then Suvorov / Rezun came and split the society - which had not received sufficient information before.

        So there was no need to lie to them then! And now you shouldn't do it
        1. 0
          24 September 2021 06: 59
          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: your1970
          And then Suvorov / Rezun came and split the society - which had not received sufficient information before.

          So there was no need to lie to them then! And now you shouldn't do it

          And no one lied .... they were modestly silent ... for which they came up with the "DSP" stamp for documents .....
  13. +5
    23 September 2021 09: 41
    Nothing can be done in this historical situation. Nothing. All state measures taken will lead to only one thing - the number of victims will increase. The transformation of citizens into obedient sheep leads precisely to this. Even if the state strengthens (taking money from parallel worlds, because this will not be enough for anything) to cover all public places with special forces (at least a company). The special forces will just start genocide, which is also not omnipotent)
    The best situation in the USSR in terms of security was when the front-line soldiers were not prevented from acquiring hunting weapons, they did not take away the award and recognized the right to self-defense for all adults, capable citizens. True, Khrushchev was afraid of capable citizens ... ki, so this time soon ended. The herbivorous author offends my generation, considering us the same obedient and uncomplaining sheep.
    Well, to be more precise, he doesn't think so, apparently it was ordered ... But nothing, author, that Solonik, for example, came out of our generation? Fine? And tens of thousands of bandits who pour blood, what water? And this has led to the generalization of sheep) of the population. The citizens were replaced by lambs. Sheep. Well, where there are sheep, there are wolves, the author. It's disgusting to read ...
    1. +3
      23 September 2021 23: 02
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Nothing can be done in this historical situation. Nothing.

      Briefly, true, and there is nothing to add. The state does not care about that. As soon as the state starts raising smart children, smart children will ask the state smart questions. Who needs smart questions that don't have smart answers?
      1. +2
        24 September 2021 09: 39
        Here the question is not even so much in one mind) The problem is in the complex, how to treat a person - as a citizen and a full-fledged person? That is, to the one who has a civic position, which is ready to defend (this is why his state is what it is, because CITIZENS shape its appearance) and to the one who is ready to defend HIS OWN. That is, his life, his friends and relatives, property. Such a state is very strong, and its various "hybrid wars" and hostile voices not only cannot be destroyed, but not even shaken. But it is difficult to govern such a state, and lust for power alone is not just enough for this, the lust for the rulers of such a state is very harmful.
        Or the second approach. In the state, in fact, there are no citizens, just chatter, there are only obedient sheep, which they twist as they want. They do not care about their opinion, they have no will of their own, because in fact they cannot defend anything. Chatter and "appeals to the appropriate authorities" in order to defend YOUR opinion, as well as life with freedom, as if it is censorship ... a little bit not enough))
        In such a state, power-hungry people without other talents have will and happiness! You can mock as you like. There is only one small problem - it is impossible to defend such a state under attack. There is no one. The more sheep you raise, the fewer fighters you have. And the main misconception here is that wolves are considered fighters. And they are not fighters at all. Fighting for the country is not about slaughtering sheep and mocking the defenseless.
        Yearning...
  14. -2
    23 September 2021 09: 45
    The author correctly wrote about the breakdown of the upbringing system. It's like that. But there is one more aspect - this is the reluctance of the Duma legislators to make the necessary changes to the law on weapons. It:
    - Ban on the sale of weapons to those who did not serve in the army;
    - Sale of hunting weapons only on the guarantee of hunting societies;
    - A ban on the publication in the media and the Internet of any information about the identity of a terrorist, his rich spiritual world, etc., a ban on talk shows on radio and TV, to introduce a "code of silence" in public space.
    1. +3
      23 September 2021 09: 55
      Well, yes, the code of silence, at the same time we will keep quiet about the authorities - what if the articles on corruption provoke corruption?
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 19: 15
        What does power and corruption have to do with it? No need to divert the conversation aside. This is only about mass killings.
    2. +7
      23 September 2021 10: 14
      Prohibition of the sale of weapons to those who did not serve in the army

      That is, for example, with some joy to prohibit the acquisition of weapons .. all female citizens, and all male citizens unfit for health and (or) physical training for military service, right?
      And by the way, serving in the army is NOT a guarantee that a particular citizen will not rip his head off at some point. Alas and ah.
      ====
      Although with the need for citizens to acquire weapons in general, everything is difficult. In my opinion. And perhaps this right can ultimately be waived. For personal self-defense, there are the same "teasers". For example. For those wishing to engage in sports and recreational shooting, weapons can be stored in shooting ranges and shooting ranges. You don't have to keep a gun in your apartment. Hunting? If we exclude the hunting and hunting of representatives of small indigenous peoples leading a traditional way of life, then why should such behavior be encouraged?
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 19: 16
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        And by the way, serving in the army is NOT a guarantee that a particular citizen will not rip his head off at some point. Alas and ah.

        And nothing is such a guarantee. Absolutely and absolutely ... why not do anything now?
    3. 0
      23 September 2021 11: 47
      Quote: Silhouette
      Prohibiting the sale of weapons to those who did not serve in the army;

      - Shamsutdinov served in the army. And? Where are the guarantees that he would not start shooting in civilian life, if he did not like his colleagues at work?
      - Evsyukov underwent an annual medical examination.
      Quote: Silhouette
      Sale of hunting weapons only on the guarantee of hunting societies;

      - I FOR !!! with all hands and feet !!! 100 thousand and I'll vouch for you !!! lol you do not understand-that you will create such a corruption-that the traffic cops will cry with envy ???
      And vice versa, how then can a man become a hunter in a city? 3 years to go hunting to drink vodka with someone else's game?
      1. 0
        24 September 2021 19: 27
        Quote: your1970
        And vice versa, how then can a man become a hunter in a city? 3 years to go hunting to drink vodka with someone else's game?

        This is called socialization.
    4. +3
      23 September 2021 23: 07
      Quote: Silhouette
      Prohibiting the sale of weapons to those who did not serve in the army;
      - Sale of hunting weapons only on the guarantee of hunting societies;
      - A ban on the publication in the media and the Internet of any information about the identity of a terrorist, his rich spiritual world, etc., a ban on talk shows on radio and TV, to introduce a "code of silence" in public space.

      1. Fear not weapons, but fools with weapons.
      2. First of all, a person must protect himself, secondly, his family must protect him, and only in the third place he can count on the help of the state.
      3. Having a weapon does not mean a willingness to kill, much more often it means a willingness to defend one's dignity.
      4. When a strong man with arms guards his home, then his property is safe.
      (Gospel of Luke GL.11 ST.21)
      5. And the Lord also said, “Protect your families even before bloodshed” (Book of Mormon Alma ch. 43 v. 47)
      6. An armed society is a society of mutual courtesy. Communication manners always become polite, when everyone should be responsible for their actions with their own lives.
  15. +3
    23 September 2021 10: 30
    The topic of the essay has not been disclosed by the author: the reasons for a specific tragedy have not been formulated, the description of the problem as a whole consists exclusively of generalities, specific measures to prevent this have not been named.
    In fact, the entire article fits into a single phrase:

    .. And ending with subbotniks, collection of waste paper and scrap metal, and also - absolute belief that we live in the happiest and just country.


    Demagogy.
    1. +2
      23 September 2021 10: 53
      Not simple demagoguery, but dangerous demagoguery.
  16. 0
    23 September 2021 10: 34
    Quote: Mikhail3
    The best situation in the USSR in terms of security was when the front-line soldiers were not prevented from acquiring hunting weapons, they did not take away the award and recognized the right to self-defense for all adults, capable citizens.

    They did not take it away from the front-line soldiers because they had not yet managed to take it away from the bandits. Security was tight after the war, it was some kind of disaster. Remember Zhukov and Odessa. But when the weapon was confiscated from the bandits, it was time to take it from the front-line soldiers.

    You shouldn't think that the authorities are afraid of weapons in the hands of non-settlement, because they won't fire against the authorities. And the authorities are very well aware of this.
  17. +4
    23 September 2021 11: 25
    And why is VO modestly silent about what the entire Internet writes about? The father of the Perm shooter is a noble ichtamnet with solid combat experience in Chechnya and Donbass. From childhood he taught the boy to use weapons. So I taught it ...
    1. +2
      23 September 2021 12: 46
      Men should be trained to arms from childhood. If you are not lying, then the father did everything right. Another thing is his mother raised him incorrectly because women cannot raise him. The result is a female firmware on a male gland.
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 17: 43
        Yeah, my father taught me, he left with a machine gun somewhere to run, and the mother is to blame. Wrongly brought up).
        1. 0
          24 September 2021 08: 01
          Exactly. The mother is to blame.
  18. +2
    23 September 2021 12: 13
    Quote: your1970
    Quote: Silhouette
    Prohibiting the sale of weapons to those who did not serve in the army;

    - Shamsutdinov served in the army. And? Where are the guarantees that he would not start shooting in civilian life, if he did not like his colleagues at work?


    However ... "Didn't like it"? We read for educational program https://lenta.ru/articles/2020/12/29/sham/
  19. 0
    23 September 2021 12: 22
    For me, this can only be helped by an implicit, but purposeful campaign to dehumanize such killers. And not so much in the classic media as in social networks. Any mother's pie should write on the subcortex that if he does something like that, he will not become a hero, albeit a dubious one. Not a romantic villain, no. He will become NON-HUMAN.

    And another moment. We know the names of maniacs, they are well known. Why don't we know the names and surnames of the "shooters"? Not in the sense that they hide it. This is not a secret. They are simply not heard. Now there will be a wave of hype on talk shows and YouTube bloggers, and this freak will be forgotten. How forgot about the previous ones. Is this correct? Let the people know them. Let them be remembered, but as something terrible and disgusting. Like Chikatilo. You look, there will be fewer followers.

    This is somewhat cruel towards the relatives of the murderers (I will not discuss their share of guilt and whether there is any). But it is enough for them to change their names (now it is easy) and move to another region.
  20. +2
    23 September 2021 12: 45
    Quote: Revival
    conversations in the kitchen can be reduced to yes no, ....

    Somehow the Internet was gone, I went to the kitchen, drank tea with my family.
    Listen - normal people!
  21. +10
    23 September 2021 12: 47
    This is not about virtual violence, in my opinion. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world play shooters for many hours every day - but the tower breaks off a few, albeit specifically. By analogy - how many men in the world who love the female sex, and how many of these people become sex maniacs. You can't lump things together and shout that the reason for everything, for example, is a computer - the reason is always in a person. One will drink a couple of glasses and stab the drinking companion with a "rose" and then dismember and eat. And the other will poison jokes and the feast will end quietly and peacefully. In my opinion, there are several reasons for the INCREASE in the number of cases like these "school shootings".
    1) Natural culling stopped working. Earlier, in more difficult living conditions, physically and psychologically unstable people simply left the process and did not give offspring. Now this mechanism does not work - unhealthy phenomena that are contrary to evolutionary laws accumulate in the population. Whether you like it or not, man is as much a part of nature as all animals.
    2) The social and informational substratum in which we exist - it only gets worse over the years. Rampant digitalization is alienating people from each other and from real communication. The Internet has replaced the ability for people to search thoughtfully, communicate, and ask competent questions. Digitalization drives people into an egocentric world, in which the lines between other people and "bots" begin to blur. Hence, xenophobia grows, which is fueled through inept and unwise state propaganda as well.
    3) The religious component of society has lost its influence on the formation of a person's inner world. Even individual, highly religious people, for the most part, no longer think the same way as they did even a hundred years ago. In other categories, let's say.
    4) The abundance and availability of shock content and shock information. Actually, "murder" or sophisticated murder - has ceased to be something out of the ordinary. Movies, TV shows, news savoring, games - all this IN A COMPLEX wears out the degree of a person's perception of violence. Things that seemed to our great-grandmothers-great-grandfathers unthinkable, inhuman - now exist in the information environment for years, and are already considered much less shocking, even I would say RUTINE.
    5) Pressure on the person. In addition to the aggressive and toxic environment that our society is now - on the brains of people, advertising of all kinds is very cool as a phenomenon. Advertising doesn't just encourage people to buy something. She encourages him to LIVE A DIFFERENT LIFE. Methodically imposes on him atypical or specific values ​​and value orientation, dulls his attentive perception, kills aesthetics. Interpersonal relations, already historically commercialized to one degree or another, in our time are simply prohibitively susceptible to this factor - including because of advertising. No matter how it may sound, "capitalism suppresses and remakes a person" - and this can put pressure on fragile minds (like the same Kerch shooter, who was definitely oppressed by his financial situation)

    All of these are pieces of the puzzle that create an unstable personality, an environment that affects it negatively and has no alternative, an array of triggers that form it. How to deal with this - the standard of living, a decrease in the intensity of advertising and propaganda, a strong state cultural and aesthetic policy.
    1. +1
      23 September 2021 13: 37
      Well said. Excuse me, but I gave you a plus sign. I respect smart people.
    2. -2
      23 September 2021 16: 21
      1. Evidence?
      2. The most massive "shootings" took place at a time when the Internet was not yet so comprehensive.

      In my opinion, digitalization just brings people closer and reduces conflict.
      A modern person can find a friend anywhere in the world, with any interests and hobbies.
      He is not closed in the world, where he is surrounded by parents-vegetables, gopnik classmates, and can find a different circle of friends.
      3. Well, there are examples of societies where religion is paramount: Afghanistan, the Middle East.
      Is there a lot of peace there?
      4. Strictly personal preferences.
      If a person is interested in shots with guro, dismemberment and violence, then he will look for it. Opinions, for example, are interesting and interesting, and such content passes me by.
      5. You exaggerate the importance of information waste.
  22. +2
    23 September 2021 14: 11
    What is the article about? Some kind of hints, general phrases and no specifics.
  23. +2
    23 September 2021 14: 20
    Excellent article, I give the author a standing ovation! Since every day, being a father of many children and raising children of different ages from schoolchildren to students, I see all this ... Yes, that's right, there is no state policy in the field of education and upbringing ... The family, as a rule, has no time for children, either turnover, in the family the cult of their child. They either put on the child at all or pray, like, my child is absolutely not sinful, period! And then, growing up on the examples of possessed bloggers and tiktokers, such an "absolute" goes to kill, because he can do anything (his mother told him in childhood), but in his relation to any, even a very correct teacher's remark, this is a reason for reprisal with the obligatory shooting on the phone .... In general, what the author wrote about is the most serious problem of our state today. And not only ours, look at China, they have just realized the global nature and seriousness of this problem. It is with this that the limitation, at the state level, of computer games and masculine is connected. For in China they understood that a person brought up on tiktok is not attached to anything, it is, in fact, a zombie, a machine for unlimited and uncontrolled consumption, in the chip of which you can put any program, including the program of self-destruction. Such an individual can no longer explain such concepts as faith, family, homeland, fatherland, duty, because he has a completely different attitude. When will our state and many parents, in specific places, understand that the fate of the country and their own destiny directly depend on the education and upbringing of our children, on our contribution to them? ...
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  25. +2
    23 September 2021 15: 05
    Many believed, and still believe, that it was possible to release the beast from the masses through wars and revolutions. And in the current imitation of violence on the screens of movies, TV and telephones, there is nothing to worry about. Alas, there is! ...

    Many believe, among those for whom social relations are a subject of professional interest, that imitation of violence in films and especially in computer games reduces violence in real life. Modern people have witnessed an unprecedented drop in violence in society, including Russians. The source of violence in society is young men, when there are many young people and all sorts of revolutions, wars, etc. happen (in Petrograd in 17, the average age of residents was 18). In modern society, this youth aggression finds a way out in the imitation of violence in films and especially in computer games, earlier in revolutions, wars or, at worst, youth crime.
    For many years after that memorable and Great War, a peaceful and patient generation was actually raised in the USSR. Yes, and hardworking. Over him, that is, over us, now they often laugh - they say, people from communism. Unfinished, however.

    There were significantly more violent crimes in the RSFSR than now in the Russian Federation. Especially after the war.
    Yes, we are like that, but there were many ghouls among us, like Mosgaz and Chikatilo, although not a single psychiatrist would have dared to arm them, even if not to the teeth, but simply for a bribe. And it’s a pity that we so easily allow the generation that is coming to replace us to become different.

    This is a well-known effect. In the USSR, and planes did not fall. Citizens of the USSR stupidly did not have access to information. Otherwise, they would have known about the shooting on the trade union square in Arkhangelsk, 54 years old, or about the shooting of the station square in Kursk, 68 years old.
    So let the respected author not worry about those who replace us. They will be better than us.
  26. +2
    23 September 2021 15: 10
    We'll have to upset everyone, including ourselves. This is not the last case of execution. And the weapon will still shoot. In schools, institutes, on the streets ... And these are future tragedies. But one should not confuse tragedy and "conditionally insane dementia". And it is most vividly expressed in the desire to prevent, curb and prohibit! Yes, tragedies of this kind are horror and grief. And transport disasters are horror and grief. And natural disasters are also horror and grief ... Let's curb and ban them too!
    In any, even the most terrible situation, it is necessary to preserve the sobriety of reason and sanity ... If not in time, then after a certain hour it is obligatory !!!
    With weapons, death from unnatural causes came to the existence of mankind. And she will not go anywhere ... This is our given and our cross ...
  27. -1
    23 September 2021 15: 18
    “Many believed, and still believe, that the beast of the masses could be released through wars and revolutions. And in the current imitation of violence on the screens of movies, TV and telephones, there is nothing wrong.”
    request
    There is a bright idea "first try to collect data, then write an article." But she does not come to all heads. The author cannot try to at least find and explain the phenomenon of a decrease in the level of violence, which is precisely caused by "the current imitation of violence on the screens of movies, TV and telephones."
    And even a groan about "how bad the new generation is going" is not news, the first such is recorded on papyrus in Ancient Egypt.

    In order not to "get up twice", in short - according to one of the versions, it was "movies, TV and telephones" plus the Internet on the PC that removed the most violent part of the population - the youth - from the streets. Well, children / adolescents / youth do not walk now "from lunch to night". They even chat online more often than offline. They do not gather in flocks and do not fight "yard to yard, school to school district to district". In significant, of course, quantities, such as before the early 2s.

    And, as the author once correctly noted (plus him for this good ), ".. even gladdens that many, I hope - the overwhelming majority, of those who could pick up a shotgun, like a Perm student, now, most likely, will prefer a gadget to him." Here another problem arises - again, as a rule, parents are satisfied that the "child" does not "rummage around the doorways", but sits in the gadget.
    And the fact that this gadget has another Columbine or Blue Whale (and not a decent site with decent visitors like Topvar wink ) and a child / teenager / young man himself sometimes cannot stop in such stories - the family (if any) does not see this.

    In order not to "get up 3 times" - a person must socialize (from preschool age) in normal groups, accepting their rules. Best of all - sports sections (better - martial arts, but if not, then any group contact sport, hot football, is suitable) and scientific circles (for the development of scientific knowledge of the world and thinking, including for the experience of disputes and experience, say "no" anyone).
    And after 18 years it is almost "late", unless you try to influence the choice of the institute.
  28. +2
    23 September 2021 16: 31
    What to do? What to do? Unified State Exam to cancel !!!
    Sincerely
  29. +1
    23 September 2021 16: 33
    What choice do children have? On TV, they see one thing on the Internet, another, at home a third. They see how the head of the country left their parents without a pension, well, sick men will not work for another 5 years, and they will not complain. According to all polls, the communists won, but there is no United Russia on horseback again, all means are good, even bribes to security officials and pensioners. That children don't see it? Russia built on a lie will not resist collapse like the USSR, when it departed from the principles of socialism according to which the country flourished under Stalin, and under Khrushchev it began to blacken its past. Also, the authorities are now denigrating the USSR by proving to us that apart from galoshes there was nothing in the Union.
  30. +2
    23 September 2021 20: 53
    The main problem of this country is that over the 30 years of its existence, no state ideology has been created that suits over 95% of the elite and over 85% of the rest and does not cause disgust among those who do not fall into these percentages.
    "Get rich"? So we have, in fact, enrichment at ANY cost. For the elite. And the rest of the population quietly hates her for this. Well, the price is a hellish gap that already threatens the existence of the state. This is in peacetime, but what if tomorrow is a war? Our economy is smaller than the Western one, the slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory" will go only under external pressure and accusations of betrayal of those who doubt it.
    "Patriotism"? Well, in the first place, you will not be full of slogans, but "give a five-year plan in three years" the older generation has already passed. And do not forget that part of the elite, specifically the "masters of minds", hates patriotism.
    And at the end we get "Get rich" for the elite and "Patriotism" for everyone else, read for the poor.
    Those who enter life see that you can't jump higher. A decent existence for you and your children, as in advertising, does not shine at all. Nafig then this world? Let him go to hell, and I'll help him.
    Also: who is our icon? Who is a role model? That's right, a blogger who earns millions for some unknown reason.
    Sitting on the defensive cannot win a war. If you want to prevent executions, treat society so that there is no hopelessness among those who do not get into the elite. And heal not with words but with deeds. "Hot line" of Putin V.V. it will not help here, because for one caller there are thousands of people like me who could not get through with their problems. Yes, and Peskov's promises that we will take into account all requests and fulfill this bluff, empty promises. Our state works only for the rich, read for the elite.
    Reading the arrow's manifesto, you understand that this is a deeply unhappy person. He has no "anchors" in this life, nothing holds him in this world. He simply could not "fit" into this world. If you carefully brush his past. there are many unpleasant things there. In the end, a person is a lazy creature, and in order to save money for the purchase of weapons and other related items for several years, I deny myself the joys of life, an iron will and reason is needed.
    1. +1
      23 September 2021 21: 49
      "Get rich"? So we have, in fact, enrichment at ANY cost. For the elite. And the rest of the population quietly hates her for this.

      That is, you, like a certain Stiglitz, think that education is the transmission of inequality across a generation?
      Sincerely
      1. +2
        23 September 2021 23: 06
        Yes. Every day I see children from the elite quarter being taken to school with flashing lights by a bus with a proud inscription "English school".
        "It doesn't matter what your college grades are, you better tell me which team you played on." This is American truth.
        Student fraternities? Just fits this definition.
        The EGE, which everyone hauyut, is just a way for talented guys and girls from the provinces to get a decent education. Compare accommodation + meals in Moscow for a month and a half with the average salary in Russia, and you will understand that only thanks to the EGE did talented young people have at least some chance.
        1. +2
          23 September 2021 23: 25
          and you will understand that only thanks to the EGE did talented young people have at least some chance

          There is no chance there and never was ... Above, I gave an example of a problem. Which "talented youth" will solve it? The school does not study number theory and modern tests for primality. And the program, which checks the solution, by the execution time rejects the simple sieve of Eratosthenes. In the worst case, give her a double. It's the same with math ...
          Sincerely
  31. +4
    23 September 2021 22: 06
    I read the comments. I will tell you my opinion. First, any manifestation of violence can be easily suppressed by comprehensive measures. And in particular with the rights of officials, the lack of rights of teachers, police officers and others provokes freedom of action of individual individuals. The dictatorship of the law neutralizes any manifestation of unmotivated aggression. The only rule is that the law must be fair. Secondly, society deliberately pushes such manifestations of aggression. Some circumstances of the execution raise private questions and they are very bad. I doubt this is a wholly and wholly spontaneous reaction. Thirdly, lawlessness now occurs in any state structure. In particular, in the army, I was faced with the complete lack of rights of officers, the chief spread rot on junior officers, senior generals and everyone below. A advanced soldier of officers. In my face, a Tajik called from Moscow said that I was a boor and that he would complain about me and I would be fired and was pretty surprised when I was not scared. These are the descendants of migrant workers trained by the diaspora who come to the army. This soldier was from another unit and I could not do anything to him. In my division, I would have found how to put it in a frame, and there was not even anyone to talk to. So he turned out to be unpunished, and I was, as if spat upon with seniority in thirty years. Freedom breeds impunity, and impunity breeds crime.
  32. +1
    23 September 2021 22: 34
    With the construction of capitalism in Russia, a new person has grown up, with new thinking, with a bunch of temptations and social injustice, computer games, drugs and other crap. So it blows the roof off. And not he has one and not his first. Suffice it to recall the "Kerch shooter". And nothing can be done about it
    1. +1
      23 September 2021 22: 55
      With the construction of capitalism in Russia, a new man has grown

      In behavioral economics, the life strategy of this "new man" is called "Robinson economics." A person, they say, should be guided by personal benefit and rely only on himself. And the invisible hand of the market will take care of the common good.
      Only this very Robinson, before settling on the paradise island, plundered the shipwrecked ship ...
      After 2008, however, microeconomists began to think about social interaction as the main winning strategy. Nash's work came in handy ...
      Sincerely
    2. +1
      23 September 2021 22: 55
      The "Kerch shooter" was hounded in college. And the whole crowd up to the head teacher inclusive. Why he wanted to kill the head teacher in the media, I could not find.
  33. 0
    23 September 2021 23: 37
    Commentators! Ay. None of them said about the tightening of the gun law. Supervision over him. Clitoris, yes Tiktok is discussing ...
    1. -1
      24 September 2021 07: 32
      This will not help the tightening of laws in a sick society ...
    2. +1
      24 September 2021 08: 03
      Excuse me, can I find you on TikTok? Or only in OnlyFans?
      Sincerely
  34. +1
    24 September 2021 09: 08
    Tightening the law on weapons will do nothing. If there is a desire to bungle a bomb from charcoal, ammonium nitrate, sulfur and M6 nuts, it will not be difficult. And it's not about weapons. If you blame the weapon for everything, then the bloodiest maniac on the planet is Mikhail Kalashnikov. The whole problem is in the psychology and morality of today's society. If anyone remembers the most popular Soviet TV series about cops "The Investigation was Conducted by Experts", then the corpses on the screen appeared either in the form of a chalk outline on the floor, or in the form of something incomprehensible covered with a sheet. And what we have now everyone can see for themselves. The constant propaganda of violence is bearing fruit, and the propaganda of violence is not for the sake of violence itself, but as a means of "earning" money and fame. A fresh example: some stupid person with completely beaten off brains on the central channel (REN) advertises the Top Dog tournament and promises citizens a night of some kind of violence. It will be watched not only by degenerate characters like him, but by a shkolota who will then carry it to school and to the street. Well, further along the spiral. Well, if the current capitalist society cannot exist without paid ostentatious massacre, then for God's sake let them knock out the remnants of gray matter for the amusement of a wealthy public with disabilities, but at private parties and offline.
    Now follow the arrows. Their appearance is a natural result of the cult of violence and success at any cost. In such cases, it should be strictly forbidden to mention the names of these monsters in the media, a generalized impersonal designation of these individuals should be adopted, no details of their personal life, they should be completely dehumanized and impersonal. Stop exaggerating this in the media. The punishment is the death penalty, again appearing in the media as disposal, and an unknown grave.
  35. 0
    24 September 2021 11: 48
    Quote: Petro_tut
    There is no international terrorism in the world, there is the work of special services. (c) Evil tongues say that the cases in Crimea, Kazan and Perm are subversive activities of the Turkish special services with young people through Islamists and other cells.

    And what about rastrel in Moscow forgot to mention?
    Was your father recruiting his son there?
    Eco Turks are deeply recruiting laughing


    By the way, about the Moscow "shooter", is the audience aware that the "shooter" for the murder of 2 people is "treated" at home?
    "... Doctors of the Smolensk psychiatric hospital for adolescents, during their next re-examination in 2017, gave a medical conclusion that he could be on an outpatient basis and be treated at home. Thus, more than two years ago, he stepped down from responsibility after the murder of two people, now it is simply noted at the place of residence in Moscow and does not visit any doctors ... "https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7536839
  36. -1
    24 September 2021 12: 13
    The United States invests heavily in the military budget. Everyone knows that. This is money for development. And the purchase of weapons. But they invest even more in the media. MASS MEDIA. technical means (press, radio, cinema, television, computer networks), with the help of which information (knowledge, spiritual values, moral and legal norms, etc.) is disseminated to quantitatively large dispersed audiences. This is the explanation, the meaning of the word from the internet. They explain what kind of phone is in fashion. What music is relevant today. Etc . In part, this is a matter of influence on trade. Getting money for added value. How to sell the same pants for more. Sew on a rag, name it (label) and promote it in the media space (advertising). But they also set the ideology. They take music, find talented and attractive. And then we went: What are they wearing? What's going? Are they drinking? This is a whole culture with its own worldview. Remember your youth. Rock and roll and dudes. Through rock all the communists of the USSR put jeans on their asses. And so on. Punks. And note, the dudes were not numerous. But rock has penetrated more into society. Lack of your own ideology. This is the reason. All these shooters in schools, it came from the collective west. As well as the ideas of terrorism. Crowd control. The whole world is aboriginal. Something like this . soldier
  37. +1
    24 September 2021 15: 00
    Quote: FireLake
    I repeat: with the same logic as yours, you are not much different from these killers ...

    And then you got carried away! Began to equate flies with cutlets! However, I already expected this from you.
    Once again I repeat, at home your homosexuals let them do what they want and do.
    But you have to take your shit out into the street and still demand to legitimize your perversions!
    Tolerance for some is not permissiveness for others!
  38. +1
    24 September 2021 19: 02
    The worst thing is that the authorities again did not go into details. And she habitually blamed the game for everything. But such a pogrom is a much more complex phenomenon, it cannot have a single and, most importantly, such a convenient reason. My version is as follows: a happy person with a gun will not go to his native university with a gun, let alone shoot. Is it not a clear understanding of hopelessness that is the true reason? After all, it is clear: the student is being released into nowhere. And a talented person with a diploma can even get a job in Mac for happiness. And maybe for years to sit without work, in poverty and hopelessness. Was this what he studied for? Have your young years been wasted? Of course, every decent person's soul howls from such injustice. And it's not far from here to the execution.
    1. +1
      24 September 2021 19: 36
      I disagree. How many students are there in this university ??? And what, he has one state of originlessness?
      Are the others all from a particular caste?
      Tue are just hype catchers! Alas
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        24 September 2021 19: 58
        Indeed. To get a job in a specialty is an unbearable feat. And given the abundance of cronyism, it becomes more and more difficult to find a job. Nobody needs a graduate.
        1. +1
          24 September 2021 20: 03
          I agree. Fact. And now everyone takes their guns and firefights in universities?
          Maybe you're just looking for reasons in the wrong place, aren't you?
          1. 0
            24 September 2021 20: 09
            This is true. Not everyone takes a gun. Not everyone has them, not everyone will be given permits due to the paranoid licensing system, very many simply cannot afford it ... But this does not change the main thing: amazingly unfair employment.
            1. +1
              24 September 2021 20: 14
              You are again on the rails! What side is employment here !!! ???
              Did he complain to you personally, or did he raise this topic somewhere?
              This is your personal imagination and does not have any arguments.
              Nothing personal ... just a fact
              1. 0
                24 September 2021 20: 42
                I do not intend to argue with you, I just wanted to note that despite the simple answers of the government, it is not the games that are to blame and the new bans in this area will not achieve anything. And the problem of employment really exists, it is massive and I personally know dozens of students, unemployed or working outside their specialty in the lowest positions. And not how you build - as if there is no problem and student lack of demand is just my fantasy.

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