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Migrants and inflation: a direct relationship

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Source: blog-kozlova.livejournal.com


The Khusnullin-Nabiullina paradox


In early September, the vice-mayor of Moscow, Vladimir Efimov, announced a shortage of 200 thousand migrants at once at the capital's construction sites. The problem is absolutely not speculative - the shortage in the very near future will result in a noticeable increase in housing prices.

Efimov is echoed by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin, who claims that the country now lacks almost 1,2 million foreign workers. And if Russians want to provide themselves with cheap and comfortable housing, then 2024 million guest workers will be required by 5.

According to the Deputy Prime Minister, workers from Central Asia are unique in their ability to work 12 hours a day for 40-50 thousand rubles a month. It is unprofitable to hire their own citizens, since they demand a higher salary, and for their rights, if something happens, they will be able to stand up. The law is often on the side of the employee, which makes employers look for alternative ways of enrichment.

The head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina also spoke about the structural changes in the Russian labor market. In her opinion, further economic growth is impossible without an abundant influx of migrants. Otherwise, we will see an even greater acceleration of inflation, disastrous for many.

Labor migration adherents from the Russian government not only complain about the absence of migrants, but also propose a radical solution to the problem - special charter flights from Central Asia and a simplified entry regime. As usual, we propose to solve a complex and multifaceted problem by cardinal and simplest steps. One of the reasons why, for example, developers are actually blackmailing with high housing prices is low labor productivity.

If we compare with Western countries, then for every dollar of GDP we have two or even three times more labor costs. That is why more workers are required for production with lower wages. Low labor productivity is a real scourge of the Russian economy, which they promised to deal with back in 2012.

Everyone remembers the President's "May Decrees" with benchmarks of XNUMX-fold productivity growth?

Since then, growth, of course, has been observed, but creeping - by 1,5-2% per year. In 2014, Vladimir Putin complained in vain:

"We still cannot use the key reserve of economic development, I mean the growth of labor productivity."

As a result, Russia is in the world ranking of labor efficiency at the end of its third decade. We are inferior, in particular, to the countries of the Baltic States and South America.

Migrant workers in this stories look very profitable.

First, they allow employers not to think about increasing labor productivity. Why, if there is always an unhappy Tajik or Uzbek at his side, whose family is dragging out a half-starved existence at home? Automation and hiring highly qualified personnel are not beneficial to anyone.

Secondly, the attraction of guest workers allows you to effectively avoid the tax burden. Dealers save a lot on contributions to the pension fund, social insurance, and often - to the state tax treasury. The case can take radical forms.

Surely every reader in his native region has heard about illegal migrant workers?

They live in terrible conditions, work for days and, in the end, are marginalized. Even officially arranged migrants cause discontent among those around them. And the point here is far from the nationalism on the part of the Russians. The reluctance of migrants to socialize, and sometimes outright criminality, become the cause of conflicts.

Everyone has heard the story of the brutal murder of a pensioner by a couple of guest workers from a plastic construction plant near Moscow. Residents of the village of Buzhaninovo, where the tragedy happened, for years demanded to dissolve the local hostel with migrants for the inappropriate behavior of the inhabitants. As a result, foreign workers were resettled in the surrounding area, but only after the murder. They promptly put everyone on record, took samples of biomaterial - everything that had to be done much earlier.

All of the above fits into a not very positive picture: on the one hand, the country suffers from low labor efficiency, and on the other, the leadership advocates the prompt import of as many migrants as possible. This naturally neutralizes all efforts to increase labor productivity in Russia.

Such is the paradox of Khusnullin-Nabiullina.

The social consequences of the massive influx of guest workers do not seem to worry economists?

The domino effect


If we discard all potentially destructive nationalist motives like “Russia for Russians” and try to soberly analyze the consequences of the import of several million migrants, then an amusing picture will emerge.

First of all, difficulties will arise for students of technical schools and colleges. Over the past years, the country's leadership, through the Ministry of Education, has diligently discouraged schoolchildren from higher educational institutions in favor of vocational education. Not all of them, of course, but it was possible to send quite a substantial share to working specialties.

You do not need to be a visionary to understand who will be taken away from jobs by migrants in the first place. From future crane operators, welders, plasterers and other college graduates with technical schools.

What to do with this army of unemployed? Send to sit out your pants for minimum wages as security guards and watchmen? Or leave to fend for themselves?

Many supporters of cheap labor cite the example of European countries. Say, they have nowhere without guest workers.

Maybe we have begun to live so well that it is time to massively resort to the help of foreigners?

Bad example, let's face it. In Europe, migrants are resorted to not because of low wages, but because of the expensive labor force inside the country. Someone will say that these are identical concepts. Not really.

It's all about the high export orientation of Western countries, and expensive workers, for example, a German burgher will have a very bad effect on the sales of another Volkswagen outside Germany. It is outside - in their own country, the Germans can easily afford cars assembled by the hands of the Germans. By the way, in full accordance with the behests of Henry Ford, who believed that every worker at the plant should be able to purchase their own products.

And we need guest workers for the production of domestic consumption. In the export industries (defense and oil refining), migrants are not particularly noticed. The sphere of use of visitors is, first of all, construction.

As a result, cheap workers from Central Asia have completely corrupted the developers, who are not ready to invest part of their income in improving the efficiency and social benefits for hired citizens. It is much easier to keep guest workers in a semi-legal position and raise excess profits. And then blackmail the state by raising housing prices in case of refusal to import labor.

For the state, the influx of migrants is not only a stop-valve for inflation, but also a tool to curb internal migration.

Moscow is now deeply concerned about the outflow of the population from Eastern Siberia and the Far East. Shoigu is even going to build cities with mega-enterprises beyond the Urals. Most likely with the involvement of Central Asian workers?

And if all conditions are created for the free movement of workers throughout the country and the borders are closed for visitors, what will happen?

From the unemployed east of the country, people will generally go to work in Western Siberia, the Urals and the Moscow region.

Another significant bonus to the piggy bank of migrant workers is the institution of registration that restricts the freedom of employment. A Russian without a registration formally does not have the right to refuse a job. But in reality this happens all the time. Because there is no desire to contact documents, and the employee himself with temporary registration seems to be unreliable. And in the nearest migrant workers' artel, everything is strict - there is a chief and a team that depends on him.

The financial issue of benefits from migrant labor cannot be considered without analyzing the spectrum of spending by migrants. Migrant workers go to Russia out of despair at home, and about half of their wages are sent home in transfers.

By a strange coincidence, neither Nabiullina nor Khusnullin mentioned this strategic channel for withdrawing funds.

If Russian citizens are attracted to work, the employer will have to pay a rather large package of taxes. This, of course, will raise the price of real estate, but also fill the budget with new receipts. Which, again, can be invested in targeted mortgages for citizens in need. Or in soft loans for the purchase (production) of new automated equipment for developers.

The circulation of finance, the well-being of citizens and a powerful incentive to increase the cherished productivity of labor.

Of course, everything is smooth only on paper. But maybe it's worth at least trying, and not dreaming about 5 million labor migrants?
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 22 September 2021 05: 22
    +51
    It is unprofitable to hire their own citizens, since they demand a higher salary, and for their rights, if something happens, they will be able to stand up.
    all you need to know. yes, and "caring" about their citizens ... suddenly get tired ...
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 22 September 2021 05: 33
      +45
      The current government of Russia natural temporary workers and they do not seem to be planning to live out their pension in our country.
      It's all about the high export orientation of Western countries, and expensive workers, for example, a German burgher will have a very bad effect on the sales of another Volkswagen outside Germany. It is outside - in their own country, the Germans can easily afford cars assembled by the hands of the Germans.
      Interesting argument, sorry not in the minds of some at the top.
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      2. Civil
        Civil 22 September 2021 10: 21
        +5
        Oh, whoever is to blame for all the troubles of Russia, not EDRO, but migrants. Great political move. Set the dissatisfied against migrants.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 22 September 2021 21: 14
          +9
          Not migrants but Russians !!! Look, you wanted a salary and some other rights !!!)))
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 22 September 2021 12: 32
        +18
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        The current government of Russia natural temporary workers and they do not seem to be planning to live out their pension in our country.

        pensions - for the poor
        the elite has rent. they will not be pensioners, but rentiers.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 22 September 2021 05: 36
      +52
      It is unprofitable to hire your own citizens, since they demand a higher salary

      So let's everywhere We will hire migrants, and not only at a construction site! Then everything will be cheap, according to Khusnulin! Let's live like a fairy tale!

      By the way, why are our apartments always so expensive? Migrants work there!

      In fact, migrants are not cheap at all. It is a myth. Russians work even cheaper. He himself hired migrants from Uzbekistan for construction work. And migrants work no better than Russians. The only difference is that they don't drink. And there is no turnover. Whole brigades come at once. And we have to try to put together a whole brigade.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 September 2021 07: 00
        +52
        we will hire migrants everywhere
        Well, migrants or not, but different Uzbek, Azerbaijani and similar surnames are more and more often on the doors of clinics' offices. Increasingly, in the police, banks, administrations. And after all, at the genetic level, they will make decisions in favor of their own.
        As for not drinking, this is also a myth. They drink and still drink. I have met some Russian workers who will not do it yet. not a gram.
        Now there are two of me. One, by inertia, believes that all people are brothers, while the other, living in Lyublino, wants to take a machine gun. Moreover, there is a significant number of "brunettes" on the streets. not builders.
        1. the finish
          the finish 22 September 2021 12: 33
          +2
          My son is an intern on the target from oblonocology at the Obninsk radio center. Last name as you say. Born and raised in Volgograd. Came to honey on the second try. Should he be fired in your opinion as second-rate?
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 22 September 2021 13: 00
            +12
            No, I do not divide people into types. Just for some reason, doctors with Russian surnames began to disappear.
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 22 September 2021 16: 06
          +9
          Well, migrants or not, but different Uzbek, Azerbaijani and similar surnames are more and more often on the doors of clinics' offices. Increasingly, in the police, banks, administrations. And after all, at the genetic level, they will make decisions in favor of their own.
          After reading your comment, I caught myself thinking that I had not heard simple Russian speech on the street for a long time. Either obscenities and obscenities drives, only censorship pretexts, or Uzbek, Tajik, Armenian, etc. speech. "Thank you" very much to our highly spiritual and highly moral leaders and ministers of the church. They have built a truly democratic state that will explode from within from the slightest nationalist spark! And they themselves will run away with the righteous stolen. And before that, citizens will be prohibited from owning weapons.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 22 September 2021 07: 26
        -29
        Quote: Stas157
        So let’s hire migrants everywhere, and not just at a construction site!

        Once upon a time at a mine accident in Kemerovo, Putin asked the owner why such salaries were low, to which he replied that if they were not happy, I would hire Chinese. I don’t know what happened to the owner, but the salaries were raised and the Chinese are not visible in the mines.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 September 2021 08: 03
          +46
          Quote: Boris55
          I don’t know what happened to the owner, but the salaries were raised and the Chinese are not visible in the mines.

          Are you again technically promoting the idea of ​​a good king? wink Your bunker sitter has been with you for a long time, and the tale of the evil boyars and the good tsar is no longer valid. All his entourage are his childhood friends, youth, and work colleagues from the time of the Union.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 September 2021 08: 30
            -32
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            the tale of the evil boyars and the good tsar is no longer worthy

            One example. 2019 year. Putin says that the retirement age should not be raised, and the "good" boyars pushed this law ...

            The United Russia party holds primaries before the elections and flushes out Putin's supporters from its ranks. Putin introduces five of his people to the United Russia ... We all see this confrontation and do not see ...

            We have not lived in the 16th century for a long time. Power was not uniform even then. There are many towers in the Kremlin, and not all of them work for the interests of Russia.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 September 2021 08: 46
              +31
              Quote: Boris55
              Putin says that the retirement age should not be raised, and the "good" boyars pushed this law ...

              Boris, who signs all laws, whose signature is necessary for entry into force? wink
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 23 September 2021 08: 03
                -4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                whose signature is required to enter into legal force?

                The last signature, in addition to the chairman of the Duma, the Federation Council and the president, must be the signature of the editor-in-chief of the media, in which the Law must be published. only after publication, it comes into force and not earlier.

                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 September 2021 09: 05
                  +5
                  Quote: Boris55
                  signature of the editor-in-chief of the media

                  Are you seriously comparing the powers of these people? belay
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 23 September 2021 09: 27
                    -3
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Are you seriously comparing the powers of these people?

                    I am not comparing. I state.
                    I understand that the chapters of harm have no right not to publish the Law. According to the Constitution, only the Duma and no one else have the right to pass laws. All the rest are OTK (technical control department).
            2. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri 22 September 2021 09: 20
              +31
              One example. 2019 year. Putin says that the retirement age should not be raised, and the "good" boyars pushed this law ...

              And then, under the white little hands, they brought the accursed under the sights of the TV cameras, gave a piece of paper and made them read and it was written there: "Please understand ..." laughing

              In general, it is strange to hear such statements when it is the President who puts the final signature on any bill, and it depends only on his will whether the country will live according to the new law or not. He can even dissolve the Duma if it opposes his decision. And what do we see? Possessing such, in fact, unlimited power, the President nevertheless signs the man-hating law. How so? Why? If you believe you, this is a consequence of the activities of third hostile forces. Let us assume this is so, but then the following paradox arises: is it possible to call such a leader self-sufficient and independent at all, can he be called a real head of state, or just right, like in the famous Soviet comedy, to shout: "But the tsar is not real!"
              The Kremlin has many towers and not all of them work for the interests of Russia.

              There are indeed many towers in the Kremlin, but you misunderstand the function of the guarantor among them, mistakenly believing that he is one of the opposing forces. In fact, he is just an arbiter who does not have his own opinion and who voices the consolidated position of the majority, and therefore suits everyone. This explains its political longevity and irreplaceability.
            3. Overlock
              Overlock 22 September 2021 11: 30
              +10
              Quote: Boris55
              United Russia holds primaries before the elections and flushes out Putin's supporters from its ranks

              Is this such humor? From the latter ...
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 22 September 2021 13: 21
                +13
                Quote: Overlock
                Quote: Boris55
                United Russia holds primaries before the elections and flushes out Putin's supporters from its ranks

                Is this such humor? ...

                Nope ... this is Boris in his repertoire, repeating "halva" ("good tsar - bad boyars") for the thousandth time
                Boris mows like a "Stalinist" in order to drag anti-Sovietism here and justify Putin. Stalin, whom Boris "admires", is his complete opposite, but Boris "does not notice."
              2. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 22 September 2021 13: 23
                +11
                Quote: Overlock
                Is this such humor?

                rather schizophrenia hi
            4. falcon
              falcon 22 September 2021 14: 59
              +12
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              the tale of the evil boyars and the good tsar is no longer worthy

              One example. 2019 year. Putin says that the retirement age should not be raised, and the "good" boyars pushed this law ...

              Your example is unsuccessful. According to Article 107 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, any federal law must be signed by the President. The President has the right to reject the Federal Law and send it for reconsideration to the Federal Assembly, has the right to apply to the Constitutional Court with a request to review the constitutionality of the federal law. That is, the President has quite powerful levers to prevent the good boyars from pushing anti-people laws.
              But I haven’t heard that the President obstructed the adoption of the law on raising the retirement age ...
              I guess I missed something ... what
            5. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 22 September 2021 16: 10
              +3
              One example. 2019 year. Putin says that the retirement age should not be raised, and the "good" boyars pushed this law ...
              1.He said this to the whole country in a zombie box. That while he is president, the retirement age will not rise.
              2. Any law is signed by the president. I would not have signed, would not have raised the retirement age. He did not answer for his words and even the shooter did not translate to anyone, but carefully covered everyone. Very "evil" boyars!
            6. Non-fighter
              Non-fighter 22 September 2021 21: 32
              +3
              and 20% of the economy is in the shadow sector that pays nothing, how is it? There is no "white wage" in business. only "gray" in envelopes.
          2. Brodyaga19
            Brodyaga19 22 September 2021 12: 12
            -12
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Boris55
            I don’t know what happened to the owner, but the salaries were raised and the Chinese are not visible in the mines.

            Are you again technically promoting the idea of ​​a good king? wink Your bunker sitter has been with you for a long time, and the tale of the evil boyars and the good tsar is no longer valid. All his entourage are his childhood friends, youth, and work colleagues from the time of the Union.

            Who do you think he should work with? Where to get the staff? Should I invite you?
            1. Beringovsky
              Beringovsky 22 September 2021 13: 24
              +24
              Quote: Brodyaga19

              Who do you think he should work with? Where to get the staff? Should I invite you?

              Indeed, who else journalist Rogozin can head Roskomos? Well, not an engineer, in fact ... wassat
              But I could have put Valuev ...
              1. ANB
                ANB 24 September 2021 04: 47
                +1
                ... But I could have put Valuev ...

                And something tells me that under Valuev there would be more order. :)
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 22 September 2021 11: 33
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          I don’t know what happened to the owner, but the salaries were raised and the Chinese are not visible in the mines.

          .. and there are few Russians, and that's why
          "In Kuzbass, coal production has fallen sharply over the year. We show everything in figures
          Indicators are significantly lower than a year earlier "
          https://ngs42.ru/text/business/2021/01/20/69710931/
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 September 2021 08: 00
        +21
        Quote: Stas157
        He himself hired migrants from Uzbekistan for construction work. And migrants work no better than Russians.

        Stas agrees. hi But you are only partly right, this alignment is only in the private construction market, where they really captured the entire market. In large companies, they are actually paid less, and no social responsibility.
        In general, the policy of importing migrants is vicious, especially at a time when hundreds of thousands of their own are out of work. The little box just opens - you just need to make employers pay an honest salary, and provide an advantage in employment to local people. On the example of housing and communal services - in each payment for housing and communal services there is a salary for plumbers, cleaners and janitors. And it is laid down according to the norms, for one cleaning lady a clear number of entrances per sq. M. but in real life they take one turtle for a triple rate with the same salary. The Russian will be indignant, but the Uzbek / Tajik will not. So it is with the wipers. And no complaints about working conditions. At a construction site, Tajiks will never resent working with flagrant TB violations.
        1. Igoresha
          Igoresha 22 September 2021 11: 46
          +3
          The Russian will be indignant
          Russian will NOT be indignant
          "Rostrud stood up for a poultry farm, where a woman from Sverdlovsk was deprived of a chair" out of the entire collective of the poultry farm, only this woman was indignant and complained to all authorities and even to Putin.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 22 September 2021 14: 32
            +9
            Quote: Igoresha
            "Rostrud stood up for the poultry farm, where a woman from Sverdlovsk was deprived of a chair" of the entire team of the poultry farm, only this woman was indignant and complained to all authorities and even to Putin.

            Manual control! Soon they won't be allowed to go to the toilet without his sanction
        2. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 22 September 2021 16: 56
          +15
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          In general, the policy of importing migrants is vicious, especially at a time when hundreds of thousands of their own are out of work.

          Another big problem is that they come to work and don't go back. They bring up their wives, relatives, and stay here to live. And a couple of years after their arrival, their over-aged kids in sweatpants are already pecking on seeds, doing nothing, only girls are being bullied, neither culture nor language, they can safely spit seeds in a store or on a bus, but in their own language at the top of their voice yelling .... and not one is going to leave the city back to the village. I will say more recently the city statistics on kindergartens, there Zulfiya and Mahmuds in some kindergartens up to 70%.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 22 September 2021 21: 57
            +7
            And a couple of years after their arrival, their overgrown kids are already in sweatpants, they go to peel seeds, do nothing, only girls are bullied

            So it is .. and if they just bully .. rape ..
            They pile up among themselves, and then fix the showdown .. though for the time being between the same Gaster .. but this is for now ..
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 22 September 2021 08: 30
        +39
        Quote: Stas157
        So let’s hire migrants everywhere, and not just at a construction site! Then everything will be cheap, according to Khusnulin! Let's live like a fairy tale!

        Migrants take out about 8 billion rubles from the country. dollars a year!
        Migrants do not pay taxes, but they claim our infrastructure, they are treated in hospitals, their children are taken to our schools and d / s, while migrants have absolutely no qualifications, they can dig, or they can not dig, wear or not carry, and it's all!
        Migrants are drug trafficking.
        Migrants are crime.
        It is absolutely obvious that the citizens of the Russian Federation do not need migrants in such wild quantities !!!
        But who needs it is another topic.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 22 September 2021 11: 27
          +24
          Quote: Stroporez
          Migrants take out about 8 billion rubles from the country. dollars a year!
          Migrants do not pay taxes, but they claim our infrastructure, they are treated in hospitals, their children are taken to our schools and d / s, while migrants have absolutely no qualifications, they can dig, or they can not dig, wear or not carry, and it's all!
          Migrants are drug trafficking.
          Migrants are crime.
          It is absolutely obvious that the citizens of the Russian Federation do not need migrants in such wild quantities !!!

          And, if necessary. through controlled diasporas, can become a source of destabilization in the country and even "janissaries" for us
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 September 2021 04: 09
          +6
          Quote: Stroporez
          But who needs it is another topic.

          Well ... I thought that this issue was clarified a long time ago ... For those who do not live in Russia, but acquired the rights to production and resources by carving up the Soviet inheritance under the leadership of EBN. They, who do not live here, do not care who, in what conditions and with what qualifications will earn them money.
          ==========
          It is a Russian who may be indignant if not only TB is violated, but also the technological process. A migrant (guest worker) will take a shovel and throw the asphalt mixture into the snow.
      5. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 22 September 2021 10: 15
        +25
        In fact, migrants are not cheap at all. It is a myth

        In my opinion, the point here is not only that hiring migrants lowers production costs - after all, with the correct tax policy of the state, it would be easy to shift the preferences of employers towards the local population. The point is different. Namely - in the cultural and, if you like, in the ideological aspect.

        I know Central Asia well and the people who live there. My family lived for a long time in the Kirkiz SSR. As a child, I myself have already been to post-Soviet Kirkizia several times. Several of my relatives still live there. I am not saying that all Asians are bad people. But these are carriers of a different culture. A culture in which such phenomena as corruption, caste, idolatry are normal. It is enough to look at post-Soviet Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan to be convinced of this. Moreover, in the Russian and Slavic mentality, such phenomena are considered immoral, wrong, and moreover, criminal. And the point here is not that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are special or good. No, it's just that our ancestors lived in difficult and hostile climatic conditions, which are the best way to contribute to the formation of a single community and a feeling of elbow grease. In conditions when your life, the life of your clan and tribe directly depends on the moral cleanliness of each individual constituting it, any manifestations of excessive individualism, selfishness, personal acquisitiveness to the detriment of the interests of society a priori could not receive a positive moral assessment. I draw your attention: I am not saying that there were no such phenomena, I am talking about the fact that they were censured, suppressed and punished in every possible way.

        Of course, during the years of the Mongol-Tatar yoke, many phenomena inherent in Asian culture have managed to firmly enter the political system and everyday life of Russians, including these vicious practices. But here they were able to achieve the main thing - to acquire the status of the norm. Corruption, caste, personality cult are still perceived by the majority as something wrong and condemned. Apparently, this is why the Russian people so easily accepted the ideas of social justice and equality, the ideas of communism - because they have always been inherent in us organically. And it is with this, it seems to me, that the current political regime is fighting in the first place, giving preference to newcomers. And it is with this, as it seems to me, that the author should begin his story.
        1. Most polite
          Most polite 23 September 2021 20: 38
          +1
          Quote: Dante
          But these are carriers of a different culture. A culture in which such phenomena as corruption, caste, idolatry are normal. It is enough to look at post-Soviet Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan to be convinced of this. Moreover, in the Russian and Slavic mentality, such phenomena are considered immoral, wrong, and moreover, criminal.


          I agree that this is absolutely true in relation to Turkmenistan, to some extent, and to Kazakhstan, although we have been fighting corruption quite effectively, for example, the former prime minister who was convicted for this was recently released. but the Russian Federation cannot boast of this either ...
          But when I read about the Russian / Slavic mentality, where it is supposedly considered a taboo, it becomes both funny and sad for me, because the little man is completely out of touch with reality.
          Well, it’s very bad to see that they studied their own history and their own classics, where corruption, caste, idolatry are described as an integral part of the life of Russian society.
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 25 September 2021 15: 53
            +2
            Well, it’s very bad to see that they studied their own history and their own classics, where corruption, caste, idolatry are described as an integral part of the life of Russian society.

            Thank you for reading my comment, but, unfortunately, you did not understand its essence. I did not say that all this lewdness was not and is not in our history. I said that this is not the norm, it is condemned and condemned. But in the conditional East, although in relation to my place of residence it is more likely in the South, these are things for granted, the norm, which the overwhelming majority perceives as something absolutely natural.
      6. Overlock
        Overlock 22 September 2021 11: 24
        +16
        Quote: Stas157
        So let’s hire migrants everywhere, and not just at a construction site!

        Do you offer to hire migrants to the Kremlin? Although, there have long been all emigrants ... potential
      7. Blue fox
        Blue fox 22 September 2021 12: 34
        +10
        So let’s hire migrants everywhere, and not just at a construction site!

        Just not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! In the very hole, as they say, hit! Why waste time on trifles? I propose to immediately change the government for migrants from Central Asia! Well this is how much savings there will be!
        Can you imagine ?! The Duma works 12 hours a day! Deputies earn a maximum of 50 tyr per hand, of which 20 are given back to the "buy" to the pension fund, for example! If poorly managed, deportation home! wink
      8. Alekseev
        Alekseev 22 September 2021 14: 19
        +2
        "... not cheap, it's a myth ..."
        That's right!
        A highly qualified Uzbek or Armenian takes as well as a Russian.
        Not to be confused with helpers, although they are also important and necessary.
        Now, it is true, the extreme unpopularity of manual labor among many representatives of our youth plays a role. They want to be in charge of a company, but it is better not to just one, but they are only good for digging or not digging. The mass of universities provides only crusts, not education, but nevertheless, there are no fewer candidates for "economists-lawyers".
        Why so, the question is complicated.
        Probably, ge migrants have the opportunity to parasitize on their parents, to wait for an inherited apartment from their grandmother and are simply less spoiled than, often, one offspring in our families.
        What to do? Here and propaganda, and education and, probably, a tough prosecution for illegal enrichment and a parasitic lifestyle.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 23 September 2021 05: 56
          +1
          Then it is necessary to change the socio-political system. Any enrichment, in fact, is not legal, contrary to the fair principle - who does not work, he does not eat. And here we get a vicious circle.
          Young people, not softly and intrusively, should be quilted. Everyone should understand that he is responsible for his parents, family, country. They have now been announced that they are the center of the universe and that it revolves around them. And why all of a sudden? Popashi, you will be the center. Complete egoists.
      9. karimx2
        karimx2 23 September 2021 10: 39
        -2
        Quote: Stas157
        So let’s hire migrants everywhere, and not just at a construction site! Then everything will be cheap, according to Khusnulin! Let's live like a fairy tale!


        Not according to Khusnulin, but according to Putin: https://www.interfax.ru/russia/715832
      10. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 23 September 2021 18: 53
        +4
        In Kazan, after the migrants who fled greatly, young girls en masse take the places of city bus drivers. And I look at them with respect, because it is much more promising than raising the market economy in stalls.
      11. IL-18
        IL-18 23 September 2021 21: 29
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        The only difference is that they don't drink.

        Well, as if not always
      12. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 25 September 2021 02: 18
        +1
        The greed of developers is the main reason. In the West, 10% of profit in construction is considered a very good indicator, for 15% they fight like mad. And we want at least 100, and they don't even take on projects with a profitability of less than 50.
    3. fa2998
      fa2998 22 September 2021 06: 22
      +31
      Half of the country works for 15-20 thousand and for Asians 40-50, it is not profitable to hire your own! request
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 September 2021 06: 39
        +15
        Electrical technician. APCS .. Four shifts in a row for 12 hours, dump and day off. 50kilorubli .... Probably also a "unique Tajik"
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 September 2021 08: 07
          +10
          Quote: 210ox
          Electrical technician. APCS .. Four shifts in a row for 12 hours, dump and day off. 50kilo rubles ...

          With us, the same technician gets a maximum of 40. Engineer T / P, practically the same schedule - 32-35 rubles. Women in the chemical shop receive the same, with the same schedule.
          P.S. How are you with the equipment, also of advanced years?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 22 September 2021 08: 45
            +6
            The equipment is new imported. The schedule is two daytime, then two night and dumping, one day off. Only electricians in the team with mechanics and, accordingly, work together. This salary together with processing. And so, yes-35000
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 September 2021 08: 54
              +2
              Quote: 210ox
              This salary comes with overtime. And so, yes-35000

              We have no processing. We have old stuff, only instrumentation and automation are new in some places. T +?
          2. nikon7717
            nikon7717 22 September 2021 09: 01
            +3
            They wrote about 50 for Moscow, that there is a minimum, with their prices for housing and rent.
            We should raise wages in the regions, but workers should also raise their qualifications, increasing productivity and quality.
            As an example. I hired a man for the putty, he did everything by hand, not with a machine, but he did the grinding with a machine with a vacuum cleaner in two days.
    4. knn54
      knn54 22 September 2021 08: 40
      +16
      Shit BUILDER of Moscow, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin. Head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina. Guest workers are also Muslims.
      At the very least, it is alarming. The Russian Federation has a chance to get a whole army of Islamists in the rear.
      Believe me, money, weapons, lured officials (including security officials) will be found.
      1. Yngvar
        Yngvar 22 September 2021 12: 33
        +12
        RF already !!! received a "whole army of Islamists" ... In our Siberian city on Fridays you can't go to work - there is a mosque nearby! Cars from "burabukhakas" to "Bentleys" are not only roads, but also lawns! They behave insolently, in a businesslike way! Even the local Tatars are "run over" ...
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 22 September 2021 13: 26
        +11
        Quote: knn54
        Shit BUILDER of Moscow, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin. Head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina. Guest workers are also Muslims.

        they are no more Muslims than other Christians. As one grandmother told Volodin - "They steal, lie and pray to God. Well, what kind of god is that?"
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 22 September 2021 13: 39
      +2
      even easier - if you build and reconstruct factories in the regions (according to the old Soviet scheme of allocation "produces forces"), THEN DO NOT BUILD HOUSING IN MOSCOW AND DR ML-NIKI ..
      there will be no overflow of slave hands and control of Uryupinsk (with operating enterprises) is easier and cheaper for the authorities. .... but businessmen need Soho and elite "swans" for recreation - those are far from Uryupinsk.
      the usual selfishness of moneybags .... and Khusnulin ??
  2. Proton
    Proton 22 September 2021 05: 34
    +10
    The article is ambiguous, from my point of view. In addition to sound and real ideas, there is this:
    “As a result, cheap workers from Central Asia have completely corrupted the developers who are not ready to invest part of their income in improving the efficiency and social benefits for hired citizens.”
    Why should a developer invest in a social package for hired citizens at all? He (the developer) is obliged to pay wages and taxes. And it is the responsibility of the state to invest competently in the social sector;
    “If Russian citizens are attracted to work, the employer will have to pay a rather large package of taxes.”
    Dear author, understand - at the moment there is simply a catastrophic lack of these very citizens of Russia who are capable and willing to work on construction sites (and not only). From the fact that taxes will be paid, real Russians in the construction sector will not increase. They simply do not exist;
    - a strange conclusion that almost all the blame for this problem lies with some Khusnullins and Naibullins. Who are these two? General directors of OOO Rossiya? The system of public administration itself is designed in such a way that it leads to these problems.
    1. your1970
      your1970 22 September 2021 07: 07
      -4
      Quote: Proton
      The article is ambiguous, from my point of view. The system of public administration itself is designed in such a way that it leads to these problems.
      - and in the USSR, too, the system was wrong - once in Moscow factories filled the "limit" ?????
      And the fact that a janitor-Muscovite was a greater rarity in the days of the USSR - than honest deputies now, this is no longer even an anecdote ...
      The article also does not mention the fact that since 2014 migrants have been leaving the Russian Federation en masse because of the unfavorable dollar exchange rate. Converting rubles to dollars, from dollars to their currencies, also eats up part of their salaries. This is one of the reasons why it becomes unprofitable for them to work with us ...
      Now who came running "And let them bring them down to their Central Asia!" - I remind once again that the USSR in Moscow could not cope without "limits" .....
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 22 September 2021 07: 47
      +7
      Quote: Proton
      Dear author, understand - at the moment there is simply a catastrophic lack of these very citizens of Russia who are capable and willing to work on construction sites (and not only). From the fact that taxes will be paid, real Russians in the construction sector will not increase. They simply do not exist;

      I'm not an author, but I want to say that there are people ... Answer, why does a person unwilling to work suddenly leave for the North, on watch? I'll tell you - this is a manifestation of pride. Let me explain: - Do you imagine a situation when 2-3 giggling idiots paralyze the activities of the team with ridicule and mockery? sure you can imagine, but now imagine it on a national scale? these cheerful people are our "Elite" with bohemians. Any Russian does not consider himself to be worse than Chubais, or Sergei Zverev, therefore, in the environment where he lives, he will not work, because by working, he kind of puts himself on a step lower in the social ladder ..
      1. Proton
        Proton 22 September 2021 07: 54
        +1
        About "there are people."
        In the North, I not only work, but also live in Siberia. And I will tell you a fact - there are not enough people, very many positions are filled with migrants (we are talking about shifts). Half of the seats in the carriages that deliver people to and from the place are occupied by migrants.
        Many projects fail precisely because of the lack of people and experience.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 22 September 2021 07: 59
          +21
          Quote: Proton
          but I also live in Siberia.

          I also live in Siberia. in two years, 3 people have died among my friends - 39 years old, 42 years old and 55 years old. Alcoholism. Knowing these people, I will say that alcoholism with them is a form of protest against social injustice.
          1. Proton
            Proton 22 September 2021 08: 10
            +12
            We have a discussion with you about the lack of efficient people and their desire to work.
            If we are talking about alcoholism, then I will say this:
            - Even if these people had it as a form of protest, then I categorically do not accept it. I think that such people (not all, of course) simply justify their drunkenness with beautiful slogans. How can I explain to the children and relatives of such protesting people that his father died of drunkenness as a protest? Who will bring up a son, the daughter of such a "fighter", who will name his beloved widow, who will explain to his parents the early death of his son?
            This is not a protest, this is ordinary alcoholism (although very rarely there are exceptions).
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 22 September 2021 08: 20
              +6
              thanks for the dialogue, but what is alcoholism? this is a change in the attitude to reality with the help of a chemical substance, it is very similar to drug addiction and a little to gambling addiction, when there is a substitution of reality. Man is not far from animals, social experiments related to work are carried out in a herd of monkeys, and it has been proven that it is the lower levels of the hierarchical ladder that work best. This is unacceptable for the top. And for the right not to work, omega males fight to the death, it humiliates them. In the Soviet system, the honor of labor was declared, therefore, despite the huge number of enterprises and construction projects, PEOPLE WERE. and there was someone to work with ...
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 September 2021 08: 16
      +5
      Quote: Proton
      at the moment, there is simply a catastrophic lack of these very citizens of Russia who are capable and willing to work on construction sites

      What is the salary? wink In fact, there are citizens who want to work fully, but ours need stability, which many developers cannot guarantee. I personally know a few people who run around the clock to Moscow, work in the subway, 15/15 days, 12 hours, salary 30t.r + hostel + meals. The road to Moscow at your own expense.
  3. Van 16
    Van 16 22 September 2021 05: 51
    +14
    "first of all, construction"

    Perhaps. It's just that it has nothing to do with construction, so I can't say.
    But visually there are most of them in three places, the market - catering - taxi.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 September 2021 07: 02
      +4
      there are most of them in three places, market - catering - taxi
      good
  4. Van 16
    Van 16 22 September 2021 05: 59
    +26
    "workers from Central Asia are unique in their ability to work 12 hours a day for 40-50 thousand rubles a month"

    What is unique about this? Apparently, this is about Moscow. In the provinces they have been working like that for a long time. In our production, the average time sheet for workers is 220-250 hours per month. Just over 40-45 thousand. And what is typical, not a single migrant.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 22 September 2021 06: 04
      +12
      are unique in their ability to work 12 hours a day for 40-50 thousand rubles a month

      Yes, you will not find migrants for this money, so that they also work for you for 12 hours.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 September 2021 07: 03
      +15
      not a single migrant.
      sometimes it seems that the Kremlin's indigenous people treat us worse than migrants.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 22 September 2021 07: 53
        +12
        Quote: Gardamir
        sometimes it seems that the Kremlin's indigenous people treat us worse than migrants.

        Of course it is worse .. A person, once in power, strives for independence from the people at a subconscious level. Migrants are not able to make any demands on the authorities, which is why, deep in their hearts, migrants are dearer to anyone in power. lol
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 22 September 2021 18: 32
          +1
          aybolyt678 (aybolyt678), Today, 07:53, NEW - "... Migrants are not capable of making any demands on the authorities, which is why, deep in their hearts, migrants are nicer to anyone in power ..."

          Don't tell me, it's not like this for a long time: No.

          partizan32, 1 year ago, https://pikabu.ru/story/gazprom__mechtyi_sbyivayutsya_migrantyi_ustroili_pogrom_v_ofise_amurskogo_gpz_gazprom_7582823
          Gazprom - dreams come true. Migrants staged a pogrom in the office of the Amur gas processing plant "Gazprom" ....
          Construction workers Amur Gas Processing Plant of Gazprom, which is part of the Power of Siberia project, They staged a pogrom at the site of the future enterprise. They managed to get inside the building, where they also started riots.
          Renaissance employees inriot policemen were summoned to the place, who tried to calm down protesters, several shift workers were detained. In the company itself called the damage caused "unacceptable" ... see video.
          Enough of everyone. But since the "stars" are kindled by someone, it means that someone needs THIS. am
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 22 September 2021 18: 59
            +2
            Quote: boni592807
            Don't tell me, it's not like this for a long time:

            power loves external order. Those who want to be in power will initiate a mess, nothing funny
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 22 September 2021 08: 36
        -4
        Quote: Gardamir
        the Kremlin's indigenous people treat us worse

        than to the Americans, and you do not envy a migrant, if you honestly would like to be in their place? that's the same
      3. Van 16
        Van 16 22 September 2021 08: 41
        +3
        Beat your own so that strangers are afraid ..
      4. Aag
        Aag 24 September 2021 15: 33
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        not a single migrant.
        sometimes it seems that the Kremlin's indigenous people treat us worse than migrants.

        ... Excuse me, for me, and most of the staff, colleagues, this is not a question for a long time .. ((+
    3. for
      for 22 September 2021 07: 31
      +3
      Quote: Van 16
      workers from Central Asia are unique in their ability to work 12 hours a day for 40-50 thousand rubles a month "

      Do you think there are no people among our co-people.?
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 22 September 2021 08: 41
        +1
        So I about it.
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 22 September 2021 06: 12
    +15
    "The head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina also spoke about structural changes in the Russian labor market. In her opinion, further economic growth is impossible without an abundant influx of migrants."

    Further economic growth is impossible without growth in real incomes of the population, this is an axiom, otherwise they report on economic growth, but there is no income growth, the paradox of the economy in Russia.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 22 September 2021 08: 04
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      economic growth is impossible without growth in real incomes of the population, this is an axiom, otherwise they report on economic growth, but there is no income growth,

      they consider growth in rubles and do not consider it necessary to compare growth with inflation. This is inflationary growth.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 22 September 2021 10: 47
        +4
        Inflation is dispersed by the banks of the bourgeoisie, who increase the interest rate after the Central Bank has raised its key rate.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 22 September 2021 10: 55
          +2
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Inflation is dispersed by the banks of the bourgeoisie, who increase the interest rate after the Central Bank has raised its key rate.

          dig deeper dear friend! for many years, a dollar has been worth about 70 rubles, while a disproportionate amount of dollars has been printed. The settlement for oil is in dollars, it rises in price. If you look at it from the other side and take as a basis oil, energy-intensive commodities or gold, the dollar is inflating. And the ruble along with it. Therefore, the official inflation figures are less than the real ones.
          1. Aag
            Aag 24 September 2021 16: 04
            +2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: Pessimist22
            Inflation is dispersed by the banks of the bourgeoisie, who increase the interest rate after the Central Bank has raised its key rate.

            dig deeper dear friend! for many years, a dollar has been worth about 70 rubles, while a disproportionate amount of dollars has been printed. The settlement for oil is in dollars, it rises in price. If you look at it from the other side and take as a basis oil, energy-intensive commodities or gold, the dollar is inflating. And the ruble along with it. Therefore, the official inflation figures are less than the real ones.

            IMHO: you are partly right ...!
            Even if you "forget" (to score on ..) about corruption ..., low labor productivity in industries (even without analyzing the reasons ...), a country with such resources, territory-Maybe should (!) More !!!
            ... And not only in the interests of "those who have seized power", but, and others, - "hard workers". - it would be enough for EVERYONE, with an economic approach ...
            By the way, it is important (!), - I’m not ready, and I don’t want to bargain .... Yes, it sounds ridiculous, - who will ask me .... Not an extremist, not a separatist, I sincerely consider myself a patriot of my Country, my People .. (it looks like - from the point of view of modern leaders, - Already, a system error!)
            Yes, vests (Chinese), sometimes I wear. hi
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 24 September 2021 20: 33
              +1
              Quote: AAG
              Yes, vests (Chinese), sometimes I wear.

              ++ it's a shame for the state
  6. nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 September 2021 06: 13
    -14
    Shoigu is right to some extent, new cities are needed. We cannot build up our cities endlessly. After all, there is no statistics on what area is being bought up in order to later lease it out. First of all, it is necessary to let in those migrants who are fluent in Russian. Then Russian schools will open in their homeland. And this is already an approach to our culture. Many of us who wanted to work have already moved to live in other countries long ago. And the extinction is terrible. 800 people every day. We must teach migrants to our culture.
    1. edmed
      edmed 22 September 2021 06: 39
      +26
      Quote: nikvic46
      We must teach migrants to our culture.

      laughing It is they who are already introducing us to their own, in the village they establish the norms of Sharia, and not Middle Asia or the Caucasus, in the suburbs, or come to deal with the "krovnik", in the amount of 60 people to the department. Sad joke: talking 2 Wed. Asian - "How is it in Russia?", "Okay, but there are many Russians"
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 September 2021 07: 08
      +12
      We must teach migrants to our culture.
      Oh, they made fun! They go to Russia to earn extra money, why do they need some kind of culture-cultures of these Uruses.
    3. for
      for 22 September 2021 07: 36
      +5
      Quote: nikvic46
      who speak Russian well.

      And this is already an approximation to our culture.

      You think this will change their mentality.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 22 September 2021 09: 31
        -1
        I would not recommend treating migrants as savages. We have more than a hundred nationalities in Russia. You just need to build everything wisely. No one can now confirm their nationality, but there too.
        1. for
          for 22 September 2021 11: 15
          +4
          Quote: nikvic46
          I would not recommend treating migrants like savages.

          This is a threat!
          The mentality, the way of life is that savagery. An emigrant, a guest hacker is what nationality is.
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 23 September 2021 13: 59
            0
            What threats can there be? Some people consider me to be a supporter of migration. Neither you nor I will be able to resist migration. Can we do something against inflation? It just needs to be turned in the right direction.
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          1. Andrey Moskvin
            Andrey Moskvin 22 September 2021 18: 40
            0
            The kind that works abroad.
            And as for the black-browed ones, so often one brigadier more or less cums in Russian, negotiates and looks for orders. And they have grown insolent greatly. Previously, the doshiraku were happy, now they have lunch with meat, tea and coffee, and sweets are a must.
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 23 September 2021 00: 39
          +2
          Quote: nikvic46
          .Nobody can now confirm their nationality, but there too.

          on their own people are not judged...
    4. Serg serg
      Serg serg 22 September 2021 08: 33
      +2
      Who will you populate these new cities? The existing ones are empty.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 22 September 2021 11: 56
        -2
        Serge. The cities are not empty. Residential buildings are being built on the site of the destroyed enterprises, but where people will work is unknown, but the work is not taken by migrants.
        1. Serg serg
          Serg serg 23 September 2021 08: 33
          0
          Oh whether. This is mainly in Moscow. And Norilsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk and so on, people are gradually bringing down in the direction of Moscow.
          So who are you going to settle in the new cities?
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 23 September 2021 09: 35
            +1
            Serge. Cities need to be populated by those who have left, and neither I nor you can solve this problem. So many problems have accumulated here that our comments will go into the sand.
            1. Serg serg
              Serg serg 25 September 2021 00: 30
              0
              Anyone who was dumped from there, will vryatli return there in the near future. So what broadcast should you score? Well, except perhaps for the sake of "blochery".
    5. Aag
      Aag 24 September 2021 16: 12
      0
      [Quote] [/ quote]
      Sorry, it looks like you are very indirectly faced (if you encounter) this problem.
      hi
  7. O. Bender
    O. Bender 22 September 2021 06: 17
    +12
    Construction is a separate story altogether. The system of public procurement tenders in this area is such a muddy substance, Mom, don't cry. And comrades from Central Asia are a lifesaver for the contractor who won the tender for the minimum amount, because you can save a lot on the salary fund, plus savings on cheap ones. not always high-quality building materials. There is enough margin to cover the mouth of the structures controlling this process.
    1. Aag
      Aag 24 September 2021 17: 09
      +1
      Quote: O. Bender
      Construction is a separate story altogether. The system of public procurement tenders in this area is such a muddy substance, Mom, don't cry. And comrades from Central Asia are a lifesaver for the contractor who won the tender for the minimum amount, because you can save a lot on the salary fund, plus savings on cheap ones. not always high-quality building materials. There is enough margin to cover the mouth of the structures controlling this process.

      Sorry, there are a lot of comments on the topic of construction (residential, in cities close to millionaires ...), - I will answer you. It is boiling, painful ... Once again, sorry, however, I do not refute anything stated by you, - maybe, only I will add on a particular example ...
      A week ago, my wife quit her job at a construction company (painter-plasterer ...) An event, sort of, for today's realities, a typical ... But !!!
      Yes, some developers go bankrupt, others flourish ... But, at the regional level, it is quite clear what is happening - they are squeezing business from the regionals in favor of Center ... I promised on a private example, ... five ago) I watched buses that take away the Chinese, crammed to the ceiling, in the dark, ... - now this is not. Some perceive this as the Override of the current Government. IMHO: everything is simpler, - exchange rates, wages in our country, and in the PRC ...
      BUT, "a holy place" ... - Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz came ...
      Not a nationalist !!! (maybe it's time already?)
      Yes, they worked for us ... With gratitude. By virtue of their capabilities.
      Now, they demand preferences, roughly speaking, they are getting impudent! I am writing for my region, Irkutsk. As already noted by commentators, up to 70% in kindergartens, schools do not speak, and DO NOT WANT to speak Russian ...
      Sorry, back to the topic, I ask my spouse: "Well, after all, I worked, I was, more or less satisfied" (don't forget about the rise in prices, - GDP, the Central Bank rate ... - what a crap from a Zombie! . If it were not for carrots at 100r / kg ... ((().
      So, - I can't send the mother of my child to a construction site, albeit a regionally significant one, where ... bearded people who consider Us unfaithful, - even with their convictions, But (!) Are already imposing their "values" on us. !.
      And yes ... The state has withdrawn itself from the settlement of such ... conflicts. It is not convenient.
      It's easier to trade in EVERYTHING! Yours, in my opinion, does not mean anything! hi
  8. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 22 September 2021 06: 28
    +10
    how everything built by Gaster will start to fall in 30 years, then it will be combed
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 22 September 2021 06: 29
    +12
    First of all, difficulties will arise for students of technical schools and colleges.
    Ugums, in our district, there was a branch of an agricultural technical school, was located in one of the villages of the district, graduated, from machine operators to agronomists, since 2012 it has been closed, forgotten, abandoned, slowly collapsing. But not everything is so bad, the education available educational institutions, graduate lawyers, economists, accountants, winemakers, hotel managers, technologists, IT specialists .. Only nowhere is almost nowhere to go, this is such a labor productivity and its increase.
  10. Far B
    Far B 22 September 2021 06: 33
    +14
    In early September, the vice-mayor of Moscow, Vladimir Efimov, announced a shortage of 200 thousand migrants at once at the capital's construction sites. The problem is absolutely not speculative - the shortage in the very near future will result in a noticeable increase in housing prices
    From the first paragraph, I got stuck: what is it - the excess of migrants should result in a drop in housing prices, or what? Does the author write about our country?
  11. Vdi73
    Vdi73 22 September 2021 06: 45
    +13
    The fact of the matter is that the "top" and the very, very "top" only want to grab and grab, and not develop.
  12. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 22 September 2021 06: 47
    +9
    "It is much easier to keep guest workers in a semi-legal position and raise super-profits. And then blackmail the state by raising housing prices in case of refusal to import labor" - workers from Central Asia have an official patent for work, without which they can be brought to administrative responsibility and closed entry into the Russian Federation for five years, they are afraid of this most of all, about the blackmail by the developers of the state with housing prices - have you seen the prices of basic building materials this year? Metal has risen in price only by 40 percent, timber has doubled, here the FAS should have more questions about manufacturers of building materials, there is a cartel conspiracy, in general the article is very superficial and crude, and regarding the earnings of migrants - due to the pandemic and the closure of borders, respectively, the resulting deficit workers, those of them who stayed with us earn the same as local builders, prices for the main types of work, by the way, also increased, so there is no talk of any hyper-profits in construction for a long time
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 22 September 2021 08: 34
      +4
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      therefore, there has been no talk of any hyper-profits in construction for a long time

      aerated concrete is already in line, just do not sell, expecting a rise in prices, how to build? They searched for concrete workers all summer, it is not clear at all whether the industry will survive, taking into account the appetites of the occupation administration of Mishustin for taxes and bureaucratic extortions and the legalized extortion of believers of all stripes reaching up to a third of the costs ... who can buy apartments at such prices? (on profit, in general, some dreams are unrealizable), as if in general, all construction projects did not stop, and this industry is deliberately stifled, following machine building and agriculture, already almost completely suffocated by the invaders
  13. faiver
    faiver 22 September 2021 06: 48
    +12
    Our entire business is geared towards obtaining super-profits, no one wants to do business for a rate of return of 20%, and therefore do not want to pay people a normal salary. Plus our state, which just give free rein - will wrap up to the thread. Hence we have what we have ... hi
  14. No name B
    No name B 22 September 2021 07: 05
    +7
    I write as an osterbayter from Ukraine in Western Europe, I work as a driver in international vehicles. This year, Lithuania and England have significantly reduced the quotas for hiring foreigners to work, and this is with a huge shortage of drivers in Europe. Governments plucked up courage and said - look for internal reserves: increase salaries, reduce training costs. In England, convicts are attracted to the delivery of food, tk. some shops began to close, there is no one to deliver food, and they are also asked to involve the army.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 22 September 2021 12: 03
      +3
      In England, convicts are attracted to deliver food,
      Former convicts, that is, free people. They also offer work to those who are "semi-free" - at the end of the oddsidka they have the right to leave prison for a day in order to help socialize.
      since some shops started to close
      List of closed stores smile pzhsta, maybe I haven't seen a single one. Plus, the salaries of the driver have already grown by 2 pounds per hour, plus when applying for a job they give a bonus - from 1000 pounds (Tesco) to 5000 pounds (Marks & Spencer).
  15. for
    for 22 September 2021 07: 18
    +5
    Vice-Mayor of Moscow Vladimir Efimov announced a shortage of 200 thousand migrants at once at the capital's construction sites.

    What does the mayor and private business have to do with it. I understand that he should be interested in the final result, and not how it was achieved. Again, probably their wives are SUCCESSFUL wumen.
  16. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 22 September 2021 08: 03
    +5
    This is a problem of capitals and provincial cities. There is no such problem in the counties. To work in the fields, they hire Gastres from the North Caucasian republics for the season. Let's say you need to tie up grapes, hired them for a short time, they did the work and ... They work either in the city or as a watch, the same kind of gaster or with each other. There is no special housing construction, because there is no one to buy apartments, there is no money, well, except perhaps the tiles are being changed. Roads are also repaired, companies from other regions win tenders Where does productivity grow. An employer in some spheres of production does not need permanent workers, it is expensive.
  17. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 September 2021 08: 22
    +1
    despite all the respect for the author, the frivolity of the biasedness of the article clicks ..... especially the pearl about the fact that "real estate prices will rise, but tax receipts too" complete collapse of logic that I have to pay taxes if no one buys my real estate at the price suggested by the author , and a competitor will offer a price two times lower? In general, excuse the complete profanity and logic at the level of a housewife = blame the migrants for everything, they also found scapegoats for me ..... it turns out they are to blame for everything, And you look for yourself builders, then you will understand. Of course, it is more profitable for the enemies of the people to merge the entire protest of the electorate on migrants, they look different, and are defenseless. And Russian women and their husbands who kill their children with abortions of 3 million a year are not to blame for anything? Of course, Russian women are better than Hitler who killed 20 million Russians in 4 years (5 million a year), and Russian women are better, they kill not 5 million a year, but only 3 million? And what is it that you pounced on migrants, and it is weak to raise the question that we are a colony of the West and that the heaviest burden of taxes is intended not to fill an already overflowing budget, but for two purposes 1 to crush and strangle all domestic business with these taxes, to bury all factories ruin everyone who produces what and transfer markets and resources to Western companies 2 send money stolen from the people through taxes (slavish tribute to the owner) to the USA under the guise of "sovereign" funds and through offshore ... why do we prohibit deadwood and dandelions, but not Do offshore companies ever ban? And it is weak to say this to Nabibulina Mishustin and Siluanov with Kudrin and Chubas? It is despicable and safer to blame the defenseless migrants being robbed by everyone who are ready to bear hardships in order to send money for food to their children, work hard and hard in another country, pay fines to every official and policeman ... hyperartrophied PSI is impaired
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 22 September 2021 13: 20
      +3
      Quote: vladimir1155
      And you look for builders for yourself, then you will understand. Of course, it is more profitable for the enemies of the people to merge the entire protest of the electorate on migrants, they look different, and are defenseless. And Russian women and their husbands who kill their children with abortions of 3 million a year are not to blame for anything?
      If we take out of the brackets unknown beneficiaries ("enemies of the people"), then to the very point. Strong Muslim families with many children will either teach the Russians something, or will gradually replace them. Voluntarily dying out peoples should be indifferent to the historical perspective of the territories liberated by them.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 22 September 2021 17: 32
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        Quote: sniperino
        Strong Muslim families with many children will either teach the Russians something, or will gradually replace them. Voluntarily dying out peoples should be indifferent to the historical perspective of the territories liberated by them.

        Sheer nonsense. You would first read something on the topic and think carefully before drawing conclusions.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 22 September 2021 20: 33
          +1
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          You would first read something on the topic and think carefully
          You would first read the rules of the forum and not poke around. I do not propose to think about it, because it is useless.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 22 September 2021 21: 32
            -1
            Quote: sniperino
            I do not propose to think about it, because it is useless.

            Thinking is useful at least sometimes. Try it, it will work out. And you will stop writing nonsense on a topic that you do not understand from the word at all.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 23 September 2021 07: 39
              0
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Thinking is useful at least sometimes.
              It is useless not to think, but it is useless to suggest. Someone who has managed to think at least once cannot be pulled off by the ears, but someone could not and is looking for joy in money, power, love, manual labor, and other (partly legalized) pleasures. When Archimedes exclaimed "eureka", he had such a burst of endorphins in the body, which is approximately the same as the one who has learned about the prize of a million.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 23 September 2021 08: 37
                0
                Quote: sniperino
                manual labor
                sports, etc. What Pavlov called "muscle joy".
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 23 September 2021 21: 19
                0
                The current situation with demography is a direct consequence of what is happening in the economy. And no handouts from our state of the dictatorship of capital will solve the problem. Muslim families cannot serve as any example because they are archaic in modern society. Often the most unsightly and wild. As well as other religious families.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 24 September 2021 08: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  The current situation with demography is a direct consequence of what is happening in the economy.
                  Well, yes, exactly! Forgot that the best economy is in Africa.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 25 September 2021 13: 49
                    0
                    :))) a reinforced concrete argument. For someone who understands the problem from the word in any way. :))) The agrarian economy multiplied by modern medicines and humanitarian aid looks exactly like that. :))) When they move to an industrial economy, they will have the same situation with demographics. That the statistics around the world for different nations and confirms.
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 24 September 2021 08: 48
                  0
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Muslim families cannot serve as any example because they are archaic in modern society. Often the most unsightly and wild. As well as other religious families.
                  Is that how you decided? Then forget about the very opportunity to solve the demographic problem. Archaic is a completely atheistic "Swedish family"; these Vikings cannot cope with the demographic problem without migrants. Although, you hardly care about demographics in the least, this is all just a means of throwing your feces into power.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 25 September 2021 13: 54
                    0
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Is that what you decided?

                    Since this is so. The economy is the basis, and the rest is superstructure.
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Then forget about the very opportunity to solve the demographic problem.

                    In the framework of capitalism, it is.
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Although, you hardly care about demographics in the least, this is all just a means of throwing your feces into power.

                    Empty demagoguery of the close-minded weather vane of the guard. :))) Adoring power while she throws him scraps from her table. For me, power is a tool, I'm not going to pray for it. This is your prerogative of the guards.
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 25 September 2021 14: 33
                      0
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      A power lover while she tosses him scraps from her table.
                      In the leftovers from the authorities, I see you figured it out, but did not bother with demographics request And in Marxism too. Economics is not the basis for procreation. She, according to Marx, is the basis for science, politics, and other social relations, but not for sex and other biological processes. Did Marx write to you somewhere that this is the basis of sexual relations? Not family law, but sexual and their consequences - childbirth? Rather, on the contrary, biology and its needs are the basis of economics.
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 25 September 2021 15: 49
                        0
                        It's clear. You don't seem to know anything at all. It is sad. It is generally better to be silent about obscurity. I almost bleed out of my eyes when I read your nonsense. Economy has quite an impact on demographics. The higher the labor productivity and the lower the infant mortality rate, the less the family needs children. What we actually see in developed countries. Therefore, your stupid guardian demagoguery goes where it belongs. To the trash heap.
                      2. sniperino
                        sniperino 25 September 2021 18: 10
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The higher the labor productivity and the lower the infant mortality rate, the less the family needs children.
                        Do you have family planning organizations from the Creation of the world working, selling preziks? For thousands of years people gave birth to children not for themselves, but for the clan, for thousands of years they considered children to be God's blessing, did not protect themselves and did not think about infanticide, considering it a sin. In Russia, in 2020, 1000 children were born per 11 people, and 5,1 newborns died. And in Israel for the same year, the birth rate is 20, and the infant mortality rate is 3. You will argue that our economy is 2-3 times more efficient than in Israel?
                      3. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 25 September 2021 21: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Are you going to argue that our economy is 2-3 times more efficient than in Israel?

                        No, I will not. I was waiting for what will be Israel, as an argument. But what happens if you dig a little deeper? If we try to see what is behind these numbers, there you can see a lot of interesting things. And the Orthodox and the high level of medicine and the middle class with incomes more than the notorious 17 thousand. And what will happen if you look not only at Israel, but at the rest of the world? And we will see that, in general, the birth rate on the planet decreases with the transition to a higher level of labor productivity. And your idealistic ideas about the issue have nothing to do with reality. Yes, it is possible to raise the birth rate in industrialized countries with a relatively high standard of living. And in the Russian Federation as well. But for this it is necessary to take many very costly actions. And for this the state of the dictatorship of capital, you hold on there, there is no money. What can we talk about when Russia has enough money for 297 thousand dollar millionaires, but there is no nichrome money to provide the population with normal medicine.
                      4. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 September 2021 11: 55
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                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        But what happens if you dig a little deeper? ... that the birth rate on the planet decreases with the transition to a higher level of labor productivity.
                        Is that all the "depth"? This is the most that neither is the surface from which a false premature conclusion is made without any digging. Marx can be understood, for he did not "dig", but built a model of the world outlook necessary for the proletarians to make a world revolution, which would serve as the criterion of truth for his constructions. He overlooked the fact of a primitive economy and the low labor productivity of the ancient Greeks for their time against the background of the highest level of development of their "superstructure" (politics, philosophy, science, art), so as not to break the harmony of his ideology. Lenin, without touching on the issue of the Greeks for the same reasons, corrected this model with the concept of a "weak link" capable only of starting a process in backward and weak imperialist Russia, which would be picked up and implemented by the German, British, American proletarians. You thoughtlessly sculpt the stubs of this outdated ideological construction like a hunchback against the wall, experiencing mental shyness before revising Marxism, without digging and aiming for a world fire, having some kind of "tambourine interest" of your own. hi
                      5. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 September 2021 12: 55
                        -1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Is that all the "depth"?

                        Exactly the same as I indicated. Deeper, you need a lot of statistics for different countries.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        He missed the fact of a primitive economy and the low labor productivity of the ancient Greeks for its time against the background of the highest level of development of their "superstructure" (politics, philosophy, science, art)

                        Primitive? In what sense? Compared to the modern economy of the Russian Federation? This is some kind of superficial glance. The slave economy at that time was fashionable, stylish, youthful. And it just creates the basis for all this creativity.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Lenin, without touching the question of the Greeks

                        These Greeks were given to you. How did you decide that they refute the fact of changes in social relations under the influence of the growth of productive forces?
                        Quote: sniperino
                        You are thoughtlessly sculpting the stubs of this outdated ideological structure.

                        No, not mindlessly. Wake up and see what is happening around. Capitalism is once again in crisis and this time even more serious than the one that was at the beginning of the last century. And everything goes exactly as the classics of obscurity say. Trade wars, local conflicts, militarization, a surge of nationalism and outright fascism that are disguised as patriotism. Will you be happy to die in the interests of capital? Me not. And it's time for you to get rid of satiated self-confidence, 7 years of obese have passed.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        having some kind of "tambourine interest"

                        Of course, I have an interest, I don’t want to die for the interests of capital and I don’t need that apocalyptic future that bourgeois science fiction writers like to paint, I want for myself and humanity the future I read about in Efremov. Just don't have illusions. I'm not an idealist.
                      6. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 September 2021 15: 15
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        These Greeks were given to you. How did you decide that they refute the fact of changes in social relations under the influence of the growth of productive forces? The slave economy at that time was fashionable, stylish, youthful.
                        And again superficial judgments. The slave-owning economy of different countries carries different levels of development of the productive forces (workers, managers), which play a decisive role in relation to their slave-owning socio-economic form and, as a result, determine the development of the entire superstructure, including science, politics, etc. Compare metallurgy, irrigation systems, construction technologies and other indicators of the development of the productive forces of the East and those in Ancient Greece to see Greece as an agricultural periphery of that time. Slavery to slavery is different. The main difference between Greece and the East was not a material factor, but an ideal one: the religious tolerance of the Greeks gave rise to aloofness, skepticism and an atheistic worldview - a direct denial of the religiosity of the East. Therefore, their form of a slave is a speaking thing, philosophy began to replace religion with it, which assumed a personal connection between a person and the supreme deity, and science appears only in discussion through the denial of denial by unifying the means of proof.
                        On dr. In the East, a slave is a subject of law in the form of a junior family member or a government worker.
                        The initial accumulation of capital also began in the field of ideology with the denial of religious authorities by Protestants, the cult of wealth by the intensification of exploitation, piracy, predatory wars and colonization, called "great geographical discoveries. The result was political, scientific and industrial revolutions. Denial of denial is not material, but an ideal process taking place in the minds of individuals and societies, entailing social changes, including changes in productive forces and production relations.In nature and matter, there are no not only negations, contradictions, but speech itself.
                      7. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 September 2021 16: 01
                        0
                        Quote: sniperino
                        And again superficial judgments.

                        Unfortunately, with a level of knowledge higher than the average man in the street, you do not have an understanding of many things that are quite obvious in my opinion. Here you give different arguments and facts, but all this is being built into some kind of idealistic construction.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Compare metallurgy, irrigation systems, construction technologies and other indicators of the development of the productive forces of the East and those in ancient Greece to see Greece as an agricultural periphery of that time.

                        Very interesting. And what is wrong with the metallurgy of ancient Greece? As far as I remember, the complex of weapons of the Greeks was quite in use throughout the Mediterranean. I'm not particularly aware of the irrigation technologies of Ancient Greece and let's say some countries of Mesopotamia, well, except for the fact that they were in Mesopotamia. But in my opinion, this is a very dubious indicator. All the same, one must look at many factors in this regard. To what extent are complex irrigation structures in demand in mountainous Greece? The same shipbuilding business was developed quite well there. For quite objective reasons, which allowed the Greeks to expand throughout the Mediterranean and penetrate the Black and Azov seas and break the Phoenician trade monopoly.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        The main difference between Greece and the East was not a material factor, but an ideal one: the religious tolerance of the Greeks gave rise to aloofness and an atheistic worldview - a direct denial of the religiosity of the East.

                        Yeah. And all this has arisen from scratch. It doesn't work that way. This means that there were objective circumstances.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        On dr. In the East, a slave is a subject of law in the form of a junior family member or a government worker.

                        Not always and not everywhere.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        The initial accumulation of capital also began in the field of ideology with the denial of religious authorities by Protestants, the cult of wealth, increased exploitation, piracy, predatory wars and colonization, called "great geographical discoveries."

                        That is, there was quite a materialistic basis for itself.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Denial of denial is not a material, but an ideal process,

                        Yeah. Spherical in vacuum. What a terry idealism. Almost bleeding from my eyes. All this denial of negation is determined by the realities of the surrounding world. Roughly speaking, when you have nothing to eat, you need to go kill the mammoth, remove the skin, gut it, divide it into parts, take it to the parking lot, fry it, eat it, and only then you will have a little time for philosophy. This is if you do not fall asleep from fatigue. Therefore, science, philosophy, art received serious development only with the transition to methods of management that ensure greater labor productivity. The same Chukchi, in the conditions of the Far North, could not do this and were stuck at a low stage of development.
                      8. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 September 2021 17: 05
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Denial of denial is not a material, but an ideal process,
                        Yeah. Spherical in vacuum. What a terry idealism.
                        This is how Hegel discovered this law. And Marx urged the most fashionable philosopher in Europe to a more or less definite task - the world communist revolution. Are you still waiting for her? Either social-historical practice does not convince you of anything, or you do not care at all for its inconsistencies with Marx's or any other concept. According to his concepts, you can be considered a petty bourgeois just because you are a private owner of the means of production - computers and software. Could compete with B. Gates, but it’s not destiny.
                      9. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 September 2021 17: 42
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                        Quote: sniperino
                        This is how Hegel discovered this law.

                        And Marx put him upside down.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        And Marx urged the most fashionable philosopher in Europe to a more or less definite task - the world communist revolution.

                        I did not rush, but rethought. And the revolution is a consequence, not a cause.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Are you still waiting for her?

                        Yes. And I really hope that it will happen during my lifetime. That way I can at least die in peace.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Either social and historical practice does not convince you of anything

                        Convinces in the correctness of the classics of gloom.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        According to his concepts, you can be considered a petty bourgeois just because you are a private owner of the means of production - computers and software.

                        Everything is somewhat more complicated here. A means of production is not only a computer and software. Generally speaking, this is how I understand the totality of means to ensure a particular production process. And besides, if you do not use a personal computer to earn money, this is no longer a means of production. Although yes, many IT people can be attributed to the petty bourgeoisie. Partly the same freelancers.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Could compete with B. Gates, but it’s not destiny.

                        I couldn't. He is a good programmer and a good manager, plus a combination of various favorable factors. It didn't work out that way for me.
                      10. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 September 2021 17: 49
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                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        And Marx put him upside down
                        In the sense that the philosopher Hegel sought to understand and explain being with his mind, and the methodologist Marx turned it around in order to find ideas that, through a discussion with the educated European public who read Hegel, could quickly be introduced into the minds of students, the intelligentsia, and through it into the proletarian the masses, having made these ideas a material force, move the masses along the path to a brighter future.
                      11. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 September 2021 17: 58
                        0
                        Marx put him on his head, but you decided to put him on his head again? smile What horror is going on in the head of our bourgeois intelligentsia. However, I myself believed in this nonsense 20 years ago. Marx, Freemasons, Zionists, German Headquarters, Globalists. And then, little by little, an epiphany came. smile
                      12. sniperino
                        sniperino 28 September 2021 09: 22
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                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Marx put him on his head, but you decided to put him on his head again?
                        It means that you did not understand Engels' statement.
                        Until now, philosophers have only explained the world in different ways, but the point is to change it.
                        This means "to put from head to feet." If a mother wants to stop him to save a small child who is climbing into an open transformer box, she would rather shout "There's a wolf, run here!" ... For the legs, not for the head. The difference in complexity between the texts of Marx and Hegel is about the same as between the two phrases above. Marxism, if you like, is such a lie for salvation, because idealism in culture is associated with religion, which forbids killing wealthy fellow citizens for a better, more prosperous life for oneself and other proletarians, and without a lot of blood you cannot make a revolution; this Marx understood. And you?
                      13. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 28 September 2021 12: 53
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                        Quote: sniperino
                        It means that you did not understand Engels' statement.

                        It means that you did not understand it. The knowledge that is lying like a dead weight does not cost anything.
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Marxism, if you like, is such a lie for the sake of salvation

                        Lying for salvation is Hegel's idealism. A lie to save the system that declares the parasitic minority's power over the majority to be absolutely just and legitimate.
                      14. sniperino
                        sniperino 28 September 2021 13: 08
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                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        The knowledge that is lying like a dead weight is not worth anything.
                        Therefore, its truth is tested on mice. Leave the bloody experiments on humans to J. Soros.
                      15. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 28 September 2021 13: 30
                        0
                        The mice will not benefit from 500 years of experience in building developed capitalism. Mice stubbornly do not want to learn. Mice choke on the blood of large and small wars, die of hunger in the midst of abundance, die of diseases when the necessary medicines are available, the further the less they multiply, but continue to eat the cactus. I will probably end our dialogue. I'm tired of it corny. All I wanted to say I said. And I don't see much point in convincing you of something.
  18. Sandro1977
    Sandro1977 22 September 2021 08: 27
    +10
    Someone really believes that the price of housing in our country at least somehow depends on the cost of its construction? Here, like with gasoline, it grows at any oil prices
  19. Million
    Million 22 September 2021 09: 05
    +5
    The problem is not in migrants, but in stupidity, greed, our government, incapable of building a welfare state
  20. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 September 2021 09: 08
    -2
    Let's start with what developer you work for. Okay, bnton works are not ours, but engineering communications! This is ours. I have experience. The salaries are wild, in 2012. If you earn a hundred square meters, you are a lazy person.
  21. rocket757
    rocket757 22 September 2021 09: 25
    +2
    As always, a double-edged sword, if not more.
    It seems that there is a benefit and not a small one ... but there are also enough negative aspects!
    The main fear is that ours will succeed not in the mind, but AS ALWAYS!
  22. nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 September 2021 09: 26
    -2
    Urbanization in the European part of Russia is already making itself felt. The cities are overpopulated. We will not be able to cope with migration; we must learn to turn any evil to our advantage. Hatred is not the best counselor. New cities, albeit not large ones, are needed. When migrants stop living in isolation, they will certainly dissolve in our society. The family has their own concerns. The trouble is that we do not have clarity in national policy. Where there is common work, the shameful disappears. nationalism. Any misfortune must be fought with a clear head. And hatred is out of place here.
  23. Esaul
    Esaul 22 September 2021 09: 39
    0
    First of all, migrants need to be put in the Kremlin and the State Duma, it won't get any worse anyway.
    1. Esaul
      Esaul 22 September 2021 16: 21
      +3
      Although there are already half of them already migrants with foreign citizenship
  24. Radik Khaertdinov
    Radik Khaertdinov 22 September 2021 09: 43
    +1
    These grabber businessmen, construction workers, etc., hinder the process of improving the welfare of the people of Russia! They hinder the development of Russia because of personal gain!
  25. vindigo
    vindigo 22 September 2021 09: 55
    +6
    In South Korea, the same problem. Gaster displaces locals from jobs due to low wage requirements. There is also decent unemployment. People sit in local pubs during the day. In the same way, there is propaganda that the modern Korean is already lazy to work, it is necessary to take migrants. So far, this people is defending their traditional hatred and distrust of foreigners. But this barrier is also being broken. In the films there is propaganda of equality and that, migrants must be accepted. Although Koreans read the news and see what Muslims are doing in their country. They also have a problem that because of the "paradise life" it is difficult to have children, the country is rapidly aging, so it is not known how they will get out. Maybe by robotization, but I think they will go the easy way - they will bring in migrants.
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 22 September 2021 10: 00
    +3
    I know an Uzbek who installs windows for 60 tr. I don’t believe that it’s impossible to find a Russian for that kind of money. In Yeisk, Krasnodar Territory, the normal salary is 16-18 tons. Their work is not cheap for a long time, and the quality does not lend itself to criticism at all ............. ....
  27. Gurbanov A.V.
    Gurbanov A.V. 22 September 2021 10: 28
    +5
    I live in one of the regions of Russia, I work as a deputy for the economic part of an educational institution, I can not staff the housekeeping staff (janitor, cleaners, workers in the complex maintenance of buildings), the minimum wage (12200 on hands), recently I read a publication in one of the Internet publications of the region about that migrants in our region are hired for construction work at the rate of salary of 2000-2500 rubles. per day, they say that at construction sites in Moscow and other large metropolitan areas of Russia, migrants work for a salary of 40000-50000 rubles. per month. This raises the question of why Khusnulin, Nabiulina and other members of the government and the Central Bank, the State Duma and the Federation Council took it that migrant labor is cheap, judging by the difference in wages, it is unrealistically expensive compared to the labor of the Russian population in the provinces. So an opinion is being formed about a great financial interest, for a personal pocket, for those who stand up for the import of migrants, as well as about the betrayal of the country's interests by these people.
  28. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 22 September 2021 10: 31
    +3
    "The reluctance of migrants to socialize, and sometimes outright criminality, become the cause of conflicts."
    According to forecasts, by 2040-2050. in Russia the majority will consist of Muslims, so no one knows who else will need to socialize.
  29. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 September 2021 10: 36
    +2
    If we compare with Western countries, then for every dollar of GDP we have two or even three times more labor costs. That is why more workers are required for production with lower wages. Low labor productivity is a real scourge of the Russian economy, which they promised to deal with back in 2012.


    1. If you look at the "Labor reserves" of developed countries, then migrants are also building there.
    2. If you attract your citizens to construction sites and pay everything "in white" (in which taxes are at 50%), then the cost of construction will rise, and the price of the object will also rise. But the purchasing power of the population will not grow.
    3. The state itself is bringing guest workers to large projects in the north and the Far East, so as not to pay its citizens increased salaries and benefits, how can this be required from a private trader?
    4. "Productivity" rests on equipment that costs money and taxes and again rests on the profitability and interest rate of banks. And with profitability in business is now so-so.


    So, with the involvement of the population in construction projects and with the rejection of guest workers, the state should start with itself and with large construction projects. Because in the Russian Federation, the state is the largest employer. And then, when there will be personnel and productivity - demand from the business.
  30. 1536
    1536 22 September 2021 11: 13
    +4
    On innovations in construction, on the scientific organization of labor, on automation, mechanization, on modern progressive systems of payment for work, etc. things in this industry, apparently, completely forgotten? Indeed, as many as 7,6 billion people live in the world, but only 200 thousand are missing, so do not throw money down the drain.
    But if there are problems, maybe then to postpone some construction projects following the example of our "space explorers" who postponed the "lunar program"? Surprisingly, a shopping center in a shopping center, but the queues at the cash desks in them do not decrease, the quality of goods, the level of service, the qualifications of sellers are not growing. A new metro is being built, but you can comfortably ride it only ... in a pandemic. The whole capital is in "junctions" and overpasses, but the nine-point scale of congestion on the roads as it was and remains?
  31. edmed
    edmed 22 September 2021 11: 15
    +3
    Quote: nikvic46
    I would not recommend treating migrants like savages

    They consider us savages, the hammered tribal laws that their mullahs and aksakals hammered into them, when in their homeland you have to walk on one floorboard and breathe every other , no kind, you can and frolic.
  32. sniperino
    sniperino 22 September 2021 11: 48
    +1
    You do not need to be a visionary to understand who will be taken away from jobs by migrants in the first place. From future crane operators, welders, plasterers and other college graduates with technical schools.
    The author, where did the fireballs come from? In my opinion, they work mainly in low-skilled specialties: laborers, janitors, couriers, loaders, taxi drivers, road workers, etc. They also work as concrete workers, bricklayers and plasterers. But try, for example, to find a plasterer-painter by ad for urgent work, say, in the volume of one room. They are busy, they are not up to trifles, although the prices bite. I tried to make an opening in the wall of 130 mm with a grinder from good GOST concrete with reinforcement. In glasses and a respirator ... For 10 seconds everything clogged with dust. I found two Tajik Gaster, they did everything quickly and normally, even took out the trash. They carried them out with white masks on dark skin and stalactites sticking out of their nose. And all this for ridiculous money.
    Our workers will not even be enough to support the economy at its current level, and one can forget about development, about large infrastructure projects indefinitely.
  33. Maks1995
    Maks1995 22 September 2021 11: 53
    +1
    What do you want?
    YEDRO + Kremlin + migrants - a terrible force
  34. know
    know 22 September 2021 12: 27
    0
    Russia, beloved by Putin, Yeltsin and his comrades-in-arms, drove Russia into such a demographic hole that there is no good way out of this situation.
  35. realist
    realist 22 September 2021 13: 31
    +2
    "According to the Deputy Prime Minister, workers from Central Asia are unique in their ability to work 12 hours a day for 40-50 thousand rubles a month."
    fairy tales ! I work at a construction site, no one works for 40-50 thousand. for 12 hours, no-talk ones ask 3000 rubles, sensible ones in Moscow, 100 euros. And this is about migrants!
    1. alystan
      alystan 22 September 2021 16: 05
      +1
      Well, Khusnullin, still at home at his job, showed himself to be an "intelligent and capable business executive", he announced some figures, but about other tariffs, on which they all report, he can only say. And not only for migrants!
      Perhaps he was transferred to Moscow for this skill ?!
  36. S WITH
    S WITH 22 September 2021 14: 18
    +4
    Well, if the sheep (70%) once again did not come to the polls, then everything is fine in the kingdom of embezzlers, Putin's-London oligarchs and the gangway of United Russia. rams masochists are ready to continue to enjoy the rise in prices, unemployment, the fall of the ruble and the crowds of millions of gaster (rapists and drug dealers) ... what happened to the people? after all, they were normal until 91
  37. evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 September 2021 14: 47
    +1
    Why are migrants cheaper at construction sites? So, in addition to what has been said, employers at the construction site also do this in a row through subcontracting (and each percentile is needed), plus they pathologically hammer in a large bolt for the mechanization of work. floors and manually in a day to drag, but the double-glazed windows-9-12 floors and died until the end of the day with the lower back in the minus. and it means you are obliged to squirm on the navel on the 2th floor, because the uncle decided to save money on the crane. Not to mention the fact that it is not a fact that they will pay at all in the termination, because the subcontractor issues an order. should be reflected.?
  38. pomor23
    pomor23 22 September 2021 15: 11
    +7
    You can talk a lot and endlessly about inflation, about problems in the construction sector, about social and other problems. But, at the moment, the problem of Russia, our global internal problem is that the power in the country is an anti-national power in its essence. This power, or rather those who are now in power, view the country as a kind of business project to which all the laws and postulates of the Western economy and democracy are applicable. Few of the current "elite" see their life and the life of their children in Russia in the future, because they are here temporarily, only to earn money, and therefore - "I am not a local artist, I will write and leave." Of course, no one is involved in the upbringing of the national elite, well, of course! What for?! For it is the national elite that is called upon to take care of the people and their development, since they do not share themselves with them and live on this land. However, this is a radically new view of the country, territory and people, it is a completely different outlook on life and governance of the country, where it is the people in the face of the titular nation that comes to the fore, that is, us - the Russians and other indigenous peoples of Russia. In this situation, for the national elite, it is the well-being of the people that becomes primary, which means concern for its protection, multiplication and development, and not a business plan for filling their own pockets. The coming into power of a nationally oriented elite will absolutely change all the fundamental foundations of building the life of the state and society, and will entail global changes in all spheres of life. After all, then, indeed, you will have to sacrifice the business plan and look for other ways of developing the state, first of all, he does not care about himself, but (oh horror!) About the PEOPLE! But, who will give it to be, when such business projects are at stake, there are construction sites here! And it is so tempting to take, at the expense of taxpayers (that is, just you and me), to transport little Tajikistan to your construction site ... So tempting to make money on the lawlessness of some and do not care about the indignation of others! And the fact that in 15-20 years Russian and other indigenous peoples of Russia will drown in migrant whirlpools, so who, up there, cares ?! Business above all! ..... The opinion of the author of the comment may not coincide with the opinion of the respected public on the thread. ))
  39. alystan
    alystan 22 September 2021 15: 43
    0
    And if Russians want to provide themselves with cheap and comfortable housing, then 2024 million guest workers will be required by 5.

    I would slightly correct the words of Khusnulin, apparently he was ashamed to say about it, but I can do it for him:
    "And if the Russians want to provide themselves with cheap and comfortable housing, and at the same time save themselves from the hard and hard work, then ..." - and then in the text as it was with him.
    Dedkastary, perhaps you are also right, and our fellow citizens can still get tired of such labor-intensive, non-prestigious and just hard work. Although, rather, they have already "felt" a little rush of blue blood in themselves and simply shy away from work that is not characteristic of their status and position ?!
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 23 September 2021 05: 33
      +1
      Quote: alystan
      "felt" in themselves a rush of a little blue blood and just shy away from work that is not typical of their status and position ?!
      I think this is largely due to the availability of a higher education diploma. After graduating from a university without too much straining, people often do not acquire the skills of mental work, remain unable to generate thoughts with the mind and create things with their hands. Then they begin to consider as their thought any, even unfinished sentence, not uttered aloud, and despise physical labor, finding in this sufficient confirmation of their belonging to the circle of thinkers. In this field, it is easier to deceive yourself than to consider yourself a craftsman, looking at a thing that is clumsy with your own hands.
  40. 545
    545 22 September 2021 16: 06
    +1
    Russians want to provide themselves with cheap and comfortable housing, but the lack of state control will not let them get it. in three years, the apartment in my city has risen in price by 600 thousand. I think if the migrants built the quarter, it would still rise in price by the same 600 thousand.
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  42. TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 22 September 2021 18: 31
    +1
    Germans do NOT make cars (anymore). Components from the colonial countries of Eastern Europe. Quality is below the baseboard.
  43. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 22 September 2021 18: 31
    0
    Quote: Civil
    Set the dissatisfied against migrants.

    And they do it well.
    Khusnuli drunks attack:

    https://t.me/mnogonazi/6776?single


    https://t.me/mnogonazi/6774
  44. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 22 September 2021 21: 09
    +5
    Well, it finally came to light that the average Russian businessman is an enemy of his own people !!!
    The main goal of a business is to make money, and the easiest way to make money is through deception.
    How many times have a veteran whom Putin helped at the parade have been deceived? And how many deceived pensioners?
    There are no honest people among businessmen, this is a proven truth. To fire an employee without calculation is valor, because the dismissed employee will no longer bring profit, which means that he does not need to be paid.
    "White Salary"? Only if it will be so cheaper. So, without demonstrative landings, it will not work to instill honesty in business.
    Every businessman is a swindler and a swindler, and on occasion also a murderer. Let us recall "Lame Horse", "Bulgaria", Syam Lake, Khloponi, "Winter Cherry". Dozens, hundreds of deaths and, in the worst case for a businessman, under pressure from society - several years of general regime. Chikatilo killed over 50 people, he was given life imprisonment. Are these better?
    The first thing a business always saves on is TB. During the dismantling of a building in St. Petersburg, a worker died, his boss ordered him to get out of the cradle without insurance to speed up the cutting of the cables. So what? 2 years probation (!!!) in fact for manslaughter.
    And in the end, go to the store, see how much poison there is under the guise of food. Is this container shipments from the planet Nibiru? No, these are the products of our business !!! And at least someone was not only imprisoned, but at least fined for the poison? No!
    But most of all, business is afraid of control. They wanted to introduce mandatory labeling of ice cream, so they screamed: a sticker of 50 kopecks. brands will increase the price by as much as 30%.
    "Gentlemanly manners are instilled in barbaric methods." This is one of the greats, I did not come up with it.
  45. pepel
    pepel 22 September 2021 21: 15
    +2
    "Of course, everything is smooth only on paper. But maybe it's worth at least trying, and not dreaming about 5 million labor migrants?" - five lemons of migrants ????? !!!! Europe howled from a million, and then five. The rulers want to put Russia on the brink of interethnic massacre in one fell swoop ??? !!!! fool am
  46. Citizen simple (almost)
    Citizen simple (almost) 23 September 2021 00: 11
    +1
    As a result, cheap workers from Central Asia have completely corrupted developers, who are not ready to invest part of their income in improving efficiency and social benefits for hired citizens. It is much easier to keep guest workers in a semi-legal position and raise excess profits.

    If Russian citizens are attracted to work, the employer will have to pay a rather large package of taxes.

    That's it!
    The problem is not in the migrants themselves as such (ordinary workers for the most part) - the problem is in those to whom they are most beneficial and who are theirs massively brings to the country, in general, almost uncontrollably and "regardless of faces", even together with "criminal elements" (of course, not without the "participation" of the same FMS).

    The inflow of migrants will be conditionally closed tomorrow - a bunch of builders will simply go bankrupt. In their business plans, they counted on "almost gratuitous work" - and here you have to hire an Evon in earnest, but completely legally, and with all taxes. And this is a real and strong blow to their income.
    And the authorities do not need a "revolt of the construction lobby" at all. The authorities only need "approvals". Takshtaaa ...
  47. ZeeD
    ZeeD 23 September 2021 00: 18
    0
    Wow.
    Tired of the endless import of marginal gaster!
  48. Zakonnik
    Zakonnik 23 September 2021 05: 15
    +2
    Migration should be completely banned. Otherwise, there will be no country in a couple of decades!
  49. Essex62
    Essex62 23 September 2021 06: 46
    +5
    And for whom in general are they building, in the same Moscow? There is no natural population growth. For, let's say, the indigenous people of housing, in abundance. Arranged Babylon.
  50. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 23 September 2021 09: 31
    +1
    Migrants, correctly noted, send the bulk of their salaries home. But now, due to the rise in the exchange rate, they have practically nothing to send home. And also on the topic Here they talked a lot about labor migrants from Ukraine Wow, as many gloated here Now all these migrants are in Poland I have a relative in Poland who has his own factory Migrants also work for him I ask how they work In order Everything is arranged officially, otherwise There will be innumerable problems with the labor inspectorate.Payment is made on an equal basis with the Poles working there, depending on the skill level, from 15 to 21 zł per hour The former hostels are adapted for living. The Poles want another million, because by this they justify their refusal to accept refugees from Africa Like we have met so many migrants in bars with Ukrainians, they are quite satisfied Only in Poland Russian speech began to sound more often than Polish This is the solution to the problems with migrants