Typically oil and gas tax: only for metallurgists

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The weather whispers about gas


For Europe, the current gas price distribution, as well as the oil price distribution, is a very real threat. If you do not freeze, then it is very pretty to overpay - for sure. But for Russia, there is no less real prospect of making some good money.

And this, even taking into account the fact that Gazprom is counting on no more than only partially covering the financial losses due to a two-year downtime in the construction of Nord Stream-2. It is clear that blue fuel has risen in price not because of the clever combinations of our gas workers, but not because of the pandemic either.



Let's just say that too many factors converged at once, but the conjuncture, like fortune, is a changeable thing, and, as you can see, it is not by chance that the same SP-2 completed a pipe-laying vessel with that name.

But the Russian government would have been simply impermissible to miss this opportunity.


Photo: Government.ru

Nevertheless, the Cabinet of Ministers decided to bargain for the updated taxes on profits and on mining operations not with gas and oil workers, but with the light hand of Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Belousov (pictured) - with metallurgists. Whether mining and coal companies will join them is still unclear, although no one has yet been denied the right of speech.

Another thing is that the government is still keeping silent about who specifically will be affected by the changes in the tax sphere. Let's not forget that the cabinet is now run by the former tax officer Mikhail Mishustin, who has long earned a reputation as a lover of all sorts of surprises.

The press is silent


Nevertheless, the domestic business press, which has long been tame, in spite of the fact that it belongs mainly to international business, discusses the super-profits not of gas and oil workers, but for some reason exclusively metallurgists and a few of those who have joined them.

Reliable data have already been leaked from the Ministry of Finance, from which it follows that in 2022 ferrous metallurgy and coking coal miners will have to pay 130 billion rubles to the treasury, and this, apparently, is in addition to the traditional amounts. Another 23 billion in the department of Anton Siluanov is expected from non-ferrous metallurgy, and from those who produce mineral fertilizers - 10 billion rubles.

In a situation where money, as they say, goes into their own hands, people, as you know, act in completely different ways. The economic bloc of our government would be glad to once again do their favorite thing - transferring the situation when there is money to the position of “no money”, but the times are not the same. Sometimes unexplained leaks are too noticeable.

Business is ready to admit that it sometimes receives super profits, and is not at all opposed to sharing, if this does not threaten the business itself. But almost everyone prefers to share only what has already been received - that is, profit.

All inclinations against the tax on the extraction of minerals usually run into a powerful lobby.

When it comes to severance tax, the same metallurgists easily unite with oil and gas workers to envy. This is because it is quite easy to make the severance tax universal, without worrying too much about what real problems this or that particular extractive industry has.

And the conjuncture screams


At the same time, it is hardly realistic to get away from the strengthening of the tax press now even for the most loyal business. With profit, everything can turn out quite simply - most likely, soon after the elections, the introduction of a differentiated scale of income tax will be announced as a great benefit.

If the differentiated scale for personal income turned out to be simply a profanation, then business can be dealt with much harsher. Those who pay exorbitant dividends without investing in development and infrastructure should pay more. And much more.

At the present time, we are not talking about specific rates - the government, obviously, decided to start bargaining with those who have more problems and more intense competition. That is why they started talking first of all with metallurgists and others. The same, in many respects unexpectedly for themselves, found themselves in the vanguard of a column of lobbyists.


Usually this role was always given to the oilmen. Now, even if they promised not to touch them yet, everything is different. But if the severance tax will change, the entry into the battle for taxes of the main forces is simply inevitable. All the power of the most experienced apparatchiks "from Miller" and "from Sechin" is now in reserve.

However, the fact that the severance tax in its current edition is hopelessly outdated is not only constantly repeated by the communists, but also by the lobbyists. And they do not even dispute the need to abandon the practice of primitive binding to a ton of mined material. Regardless of whether it is oil or ore.

The transition to linking the tax to world prices for raw materials is no longer just a matter of the foreseeable, but of the near future. Moreover, the favorable situation can go away.

Free floating tax


Quotes can float, tax officials can learn. Moreover, they are actually required to ensure accurate data collection and not allow floating receipts to be lower than those that were at the rates fixed for the produced tons.

The well-known figures of proceeds from the mineral extraction tax indicate that the current tax is not just small, it is practically scanty. 0,2% of the market price of a unit of production - such a luxury is not allowed even anywhere in Saudi Arabia, where, however, there is no need to spend money on the development of complex deposits.

That is why it is possible to properly tax the same oil workers.

Experts from the Ministry of Finance, who have repeatedly carried out preliminary calculations of receipts from the mineral extraction tax, believe that something like a transitional period is needed until 2025. During these years, MET rates and excise taxes can be calculated based on the average indicators of previous years, but taking into account the specifics of a particular industry.

At the same time, according to all indications, the Ministry of Finance does not plan to completely abandon taking into account every ton of mined. As compensation for the almost inevitable increase in tax rates, it is proposed to set a hard cap on the tax for each industry.

It is characteristic that tax authorities, who have not yet been allowed to discuss tax initiatives, consider it necessary, in addition to a fixed maximum, to introduce a hard minimum. In response, representatives of the business community declare that in the event of an unfavorable market situation, in this case, a negative financial result cannot be ruled out.

A wave of bankruptcies could discredit the very idea of ​​an upward tax adjustment. Moreover, it is absolutely certain that there is still no clarity: what can be used for additional income from the mineral extraction tax and income tax?

Or will we again put everything in reserve funds, that is, in the "American money box" will we add?
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  1. +10
    22 September 2021 15: 07
    Something doubts gnaw at the ability to "cut" the oligarchs, although it was necessary for a long time.
    1. +14
      22 September 2021 15: 12
      The bourgeoisie is in power, how will they "cut themselves off"? They have a whole country with a population to cut.
      1. +8
        22 September 2021 15: 13
        Quote: Pessimist22
        The bourgeoisie is in power, how will they "cut themselves off"?

        unfortunately - they have everything and everything for them
      2. +1
        23 September 2021 01: 41
        Quote: Pessimist22
        The bourgeoisie is in power, how will they "cut themselves off"? They have a whole country with a population to cut.

        theirs there is a whole percentage of the population with 90% of the wealth. One percent is too much. in their opinion, these 90% of the wealth should be owned by hundredths of a percent of the best people of the "Elite". Give less oligarchs !!! wassat
    2. -2
      22 September 2021 15: 15
      Too early assumptions. Exactly early... I think by the time the raised assumptions emerge, many of the readers will have forgotten about the article.
    3. +2
      22 September 2021 16: 07
      these authors regularly write ecom articles.

      AND THE MAIN THING IS FOR BANKERS - THE RATE OF CAPITAL TURNOVER - THE DISTANCES OF RUSSIA - THE MATS INCREASE THE DELIVERY AND SALES TIMES (RETURN OF CREDITS AND THEIR %%) - AGGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE,
      IMPROVING LABOR PRODUCTIVITY IS HERE,
      GROWTH OF PENSIONS AND S / PL BUDGETS,
      DEVELOPMENT OF THE VOSTOK VASCHE WITHOUT COMMENTS - FOR 30-50 YEARS AHEAD IS NOT CALCULATED ..


      and lastly - in small letters - the growth of the population and its literacy in Asia is leading to a very rapid growth in GDP there.
      we are lagging behind even with our "planned sprouts" and the EU and the United States are jealous of them.
      if we do not catch up with those growth rates, we will be crushed and used as a raw material appendage by the Asians (Vietnam and Indonesia, etc.), China is already pumping from the Russian Federation only what it needs.
      There are also Indians with others.
      everything will be cut out of our back by a strap and only Muscovy will remain by 2050

      therefore, it is not definitely necessary to invest much in the development of the country - and squeeze out of whom it is possible at the given moment. without waiting for the abandonment of oil-gas-coal and other old raw materials
    4. +8
      22 September 2021 21: 49
      Quote: Silvestr
      Something doubts gnaw at the ability to "cut" the oligarchs, although it was necessary for a long time.

      And they gnaw correctly .. they will cut people .. today on the stock exchange the price of benz has skyrocketed in the Russian Federation .. now the elections have passed and now everything will be up the hill ..
    5. for
      -1
      23 September 2021 01: 14
      Quote: Silvestr
      Something doubts gnaw in the ability to "cut"

      They will cut their hair for a cut, I will help you for two, and for three from the people. He began to prepare in advance.
  2. +4
    22 September 2021 15: 09
    I am more and more amazed at the illiteracy of the economic leadership in Russia.
    Everything is simple in our business, you only need 2 tools to regulate domestic prices and transfers to the budget, these are:
    1. Export quotas
    2. Export duties

    and all
    1. +4
      22 September 2021 15: 21
      It is more profitable for them to sell for dollars abroad than on the domestic market for rubles, at low prices, their own profit is more important than anything else.
      1. +10
        22 September 2021 15: 27
        Quote: Pessimist22
        It is more profitable for them to sell for dollars abroad than on the domestic market for rubles, at low prices, their own profit is more important than anything else.


        for this, quotas and duties ... so as not to drag everything over the hill ...
        And so, of course, the ruble exchange rate would be adequate to the realities ... such problems would not arise at all.
        The one who came up with the idea of ​​lowering the course in order to fill the budget for a count unambiguously
    2. +1
      22 September 2021 15: 57
      Quote: purple

      Everything is simple in our business, you only need 2 tools to regulate domestic prices and transfers to the budget, these are:
      1. Export quotas
      2. Export duties

      and all

      I agree with you.
      The export duties are enough. Distribution of export quotas carries unavoidable corruption risks wink
      And the obligatory sale (for example, 75%) of exporters' foreign exchange earnings on the MICEX, which will automatically lead to a strengthening of the ruble and, accordingly, to a decrease in the price of goods on the domestic market.
      But, for this you need to have eggs of steel, for Comrade Sechin will object! To object very strongly laughing
    3. +2
      22 September 2021 20: 51
      So export duties have already been introduced this year: on metal, timber, grain and oilseeds. Now, many agricultural producers are scratching their turnips - is it worth it to continue growing those that fall under the duties (and this is wheat, barley, corn, soybeans, rapeseed, sunflower) or switch, for example, to lentils. Since the 22nd year, a ban on the export of round and rough-processed timber has been introduced, however, and at the same time there are loopholes for companies very close to the authorities. And the quota mechanism is a double-edged sword. will kill small exporters and there will be 10-15 companies in the whole of Russia who will be able to get these quotas. Guess whose companies are these?
    4. 0
      23 September 2021 01: 46
      Quote: purple
      Everything is simple in our business, you only need 2 tools to regulate domestic prices and transfers to the budget, these are:
      1. Export quotas
      2. Export duties

      the third instrument was forgotten - comrade Mauser. But seriously bees against honey ??
    5. 0
      25 September 2021 08: 03
      Quote: purple
      I am more and more amazed at the illiteracy of the economic leadership in Russia.
      Everything is simple in our business, you only need 2 tools to regulate domestic prices and transfers to the budget, these are:
      1. Export quotas
      2. Export duties

      and all

      They are ... the only question is that quotas are too corrupt a mechanism, and high duties will kill small exporters
  3. +2
    22 September 2021 15: 18
    Typically oil and gas tax: only for metallurgists
    ... Well, we will typically guess / fantasize, what would it all mean?
    No, no, boom, proceed from the fact that "the giraffe is big and for those who are below, he does not care much."
    Well, the price will rise, something, again and again, business then ...
  4. 0
    22 September 2021 15: 18
    And why does everyone keep silent about the indisputable merits of Ukraine in the formation of gas prices in Europe? request
    After all, no one has contributed more. love
  5. +1
    22 September 2021 15: 32
    Plin ...
    If they (not we) have gas, oil, metal. So it turns out that the situation with taxes is being held hostage?
  6. +2
    22 September 2021 15: 43
    In general, to set the bar - in one hand e more ... well, maybe 100 million in rubles. laughing
  7. +3
    22 September 2021 16: 00
    that is, we will add it to the "American money-box"?

    Do you blaspheme what is holy?
  8. -3
    22 September 2021 16: 40
    There is nothing to do on the articles of these authors, not any specific figures, this is for our get-togethers.
  9. +3
    22 September 2021 16: 54
    Somehow, the Government of the Russian Federation seems to have forgotten where and how raw materials are mined in the Russian Federation, where and how, and most importantly, at what tariffs of Russian Railways it is transported to the plant, where we get the finished product. When did they last look at the map of the Russian Federation? Where does Cherepovets get coal from? Skoka-skoka is kilometers? The lion's share of gas and oil in the Russian Federation is produced in the Far North, or in areas equated to the Far North. The government did not try to calculate how much it costs from Arkhangelsk from berths No. 118, 119, 120 to Sabbeta or to the Morning terminal to transport large-diameter pipes by sea. And to Arkhangelsk from the pipe plant Russian Railways is lucky ...
    Last Saturday I was driving home from Arkhangelsk to Severodvinsk across the Severodvinsky bridge. At the berths where the pipes are loaded - 3 ships and 3 more ships are not in the roadstead - they are waiting for loading, at the berths of the former LDK im. Lenin, there is 1 ship, 1 is waiting for loading ...
    Interestingly, the government does not want to remember how much time and money "Zvezdochka" built the "Arctic" jack-up rig, given that the project was foreign? And how much time and money (taking into account the fact that part of the upper part is a cut Norwegian drilling platform) on the construction of Prirazlomnaya did the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise spend?
    And a subsidiary of Rosatom begins the development of the Pavlovskoye deposit, and this is lead, zinc, silver. Where-where is it? On the South Island of Novaya Zemlya. Skoka-skoka is it worth living there for at least a month of an installer or welder, who will build a berth there? Without a berth, neither the GOK nor the quarries can begin to build there ...
    The party, with the emblem in the form of a blue bear after hair removal, blessed the pensioners with 10 rubles. Just think, I have optimized the income of working pensioners for several years by tens of thousands of rubles. They gave the top ten - it was necessary to keep 000% from it! Those who bask in a nuclear reactor under water, in a warm cockpit of an aircraft, in an infantry fighting vehicle, in a tank, or on landfills, burns a solarium in vain, instead of digging potatoes, those who sunbathe under the Syrian sun - the country gave them all 13 rubles each. So it was necessary to remove 15% from them - look, loafers have grown fat!
    1. BAI
      +4
      22 September 2021 22: 29
      The party, with the emblem in the form of a blue bear after hair removal, blessed the pensioners with 10 rubles.

      So it is still lucky for pensioners. Yesterday (3 days have passed since the elections), the deputy chairman of the Central Bank in the Federation Council said:
      "The state should not pay pensions, it should help working citizens invest in their old age." As the saying goes, if you gobbled up the increase in the retirement age, voted for Edro, you will get the abolition of pensions. The question of retirement age will disappear by itself.
      1. -1
        23 September 2021 08: 51
        Quote: BAI
        voted for Edro - get the cancellation of pensions

        what Have the pensions been canceled? belay When?
      2. 0
        25 September 2021 08: 11
        Quote: BAI
        The party, with the emblem in the form of a blue bear after hair removal, blessed the pensioners with 10 rubles.

        So it is still lucky for pensioners. Yesterday (3 days have passed since the elections), the deputy chairman of the Central Bank in the Federation Council said:
        "The state should not pay pensions, it should help working citizens invest in their old age." As the saying goes, if you gobbled up the increase in the retirement age, voted for Edro, you will get the abolition of pensions. The question of retirement age will disappear by itself.

        We will come to this anyway, regardless of anyone's wishes ..
        41 million pensioners spend 21 billion daily on payments.
        With the decrease in the number of employees, the ability to pay pensions will only decrease.
        There are only two ways out - either an explosive growth in the population or pensions from savings, both options are unrealistic ...
        The option is to take everything away from the oligarchs - it will be enough for less than a year, but the economy will stop
    2. 0
      23 September 2021 08: 50
      Quote: Tests
      Somehow in the Government of the Russian Federation

      Conclusion ... you can't touch the oligarchs, disperse the army, add another 10 thousand to pensioners!
  10. +7
    22 September 2021 17: 21
    And why is metal in Russia 4 times more expensive than in 2020?
    The ore is mined in Russia. The fuel for the machinery and the machinery itself are Russian. Concentrating factories and smelters are also in Russia. People have probably not raised the salary since 2014 So why did the metal price rise?
    And this suggests that prices in Russia will rise for everything. And the poor Russians will pay for it.
    1. 0
      23 September 2021 08: 52
      Quote: From Tomsk
      beggars Russians will pay for it.

      So to tax metallurgists .... or not?
      1. +2
        25 September 2021 08: 14
        Quote: Serg65
        Quote: From Tomsk
        beggars Russians will pay for it.

        So to tax metallurgists .... or not?

        So they will throw more on the price
  11. -2
    22 September 2021 19: 19
    And, it looks like fortune telling on coffee grounds.

    On the one hand, the recognition that "the current tax is not just small, it is practically scanty. 0,2% of the market price of a unit of production" is theft and fraud in comparison with other countries.

    On the other hand, no matter how something happens with loved ones, very loved ones. the Kremlin oligarchs and their money

    Somewhere taxes on a large salary - 70%, we have 15% and everything "as if something does not work out." No matter how "cooperative lake escaped to England"
  12. BAI
    -2
    22 September 2021 21: 46
    Nevertheless, the Cabinet of Ministers decided to bargain for the updated taxes on profits and on extraction of minerals not with gas and oil workers, but with the light hand of Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Belousov (pictured) - with metallurgists.

    It is not necessary to deal with the "metallurgists", they must be shot. Without trial and investigation. Out of the blue, such a round of inflation was launched - prices for building materials soared 2 - 3 times. And looking at them, everyone else will catch up. It is the matter of time.
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 21: 51
      Quote: BAI
      And looking at them, everyone else will catch up. It is the matter of time.

      For a long time, everyone pulled up .. and right behind the metal .. wood .. But this is not final .. now everything will go on a new one .. gasoline .. by the end of the year the dollar will rise in price again ..
      1. BAI
        0
        22 September 2021 22: 25
        And the dollar always rises in price. No matter what. To make it happen in the country, the reaction of the dollar is the same - it rises in price. Even if nothing happens. Expectations (so to speak inflationary), however.
  13. +1
    23 September 2021 00: 10
    In the photo, they are handsome. From one casket. "What does the owner want?"
    1. +1
      23 September 2021 01: 56

      Modest employees ...
      1. +1
        23 September 2021 10: 21
        1 minus put who wants to become Sechin, and the second - to become Miller! feel
        Envious or adherents? Or maybe theirs lackeys? sad
      2. +2
        23 September 2021 16: 10
        Let them minus. This is fine. There are many "libero patriots" in VO.
        1. +1
          24 September 2021 01: 06
          Quote: bandabas
          This is normal

          And their name is: libe-rasta negative
  14. -1
    23 September 2021 04: 42
    If the tax will be raised, then only for individuals.
  15. 0
    23 September 2021 09: 38
    It is not clear why - metallurgists did not fall under such excise taxes ?! They trade both in the Russian Federation and on stock exchanges at exchange prices, and pollute their homeland at local prices. Both oil products and grain are subject to excise tax on export, but metal is not. I generally keep quiet about offshore schemes.
  16. -1
    23 September 2021 14: 28
    Such nonsense is just gloom. No one understands one powerful problem: the euro, like the dollar, is the world currency, which means that inflation in these currencies settles on the buyer. This means that inflation in the ruble will be higher than in the euro and the dollar, which means that in the long run we are a loser. What to do? We need to improve the well-being of the people and produce more consumer goods from our resources and resolve the issue with our frantic inflation.
    As a result, we sell for beads to buy beads ...
  17. 0
    27 September 2021 14: 44
    What does the profit of the same Gazprom consist of? Including from a variety of tax incentives. Here is the whole answer. You can accept any taxes ......................