Marxist analysis. World War I. The first salvoes of the war

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Battle of the Marne


In the beginning, everyone was convinced that the war would be short. All the belligerent powers based their plans on this assumption.

The British did not even believe that there would be any need to send soldiers to the ground. Britain's contribution, in their opinion, will be limited to naval fleet. In fact, the mighty British navy saw little to no combat. It quickly became clear that the German army threatened to defeat the French and Belgian armies, and the British were forced to come to their aid. And it turned out that the war in Europe, as in the past, would be waged by "poor infantry."



But at first they did not understand this.

"We'll be home by Christmas" was a common misconception among soldiers of all armies. And it goes without saying that they will all return victorious. They were to experience a terrible lesson in the trenches and on the battlefields of the Marne and Somme, Tannenberg and Gallipoli. But that was still in the future.

The first battles of the war were different from the later bloody battles of attrition fought in the trenches. The beginning of the war was an extremely fluid affair, in which for the last time (at least on the western front) the cavalry played a prominent role.

The first battle of the Marne took place just forty-eight kilometers northeast of Paris, in the valley of the Marne River, and lasted from 6 to 12 September 1914. Following the Schlieffen plan developed before the war, the Germans hoped to win a quick victory in the West before turning to the East.

The people in Berlin were so confident of success that they believed the French would be out of the war within three weeks. It was wildly optimistic.

The Germans advanced rapidly towards Paris, while the French army retreated under their furious onslaught. By the first week of September, the French government had fled Paris. The German 1st and 2nd Armies (led by Generals Alexander von Kluck and Karl von Bülow, respectively) moved in parallel paths to the south, with the 1st Army slightly to the west and the 2nd Army slightly to the east.


Kluck and Bülow were ordered to take Paris with a single blow, supporting each other. But instead of heading straight for Paris, Kluk decided to pursue the exhausted, retreating French Fifth Army.

Intoxicated by his first successes, Kluk moved forward. His telegrams to Berlin were triumphant and overconfident, as if it were all just a pleasant stroll through the countryside. But, having opened a gap between the German 1st and 2nd armies, he substituted the right flank of the 1st army under the French counterattack.

On September 3, Kluck's 1st Army crossed the Marne River and entered the river valley. Her further path was stopped by a French counterattack.

Both the Germans and the French were exhausted by the long and fast march, but the French were closer to Paris and had the advantage of shorter supply lines, while the advancing German lines were stretched to breaking point.

It seemed impossible that a broken and demoralized army could turn around and fight, but that's exactly what happened.

The French fought with desperate courage. It was during this battle that Foch is said to have sent the famous telegram to Joffre:

"Mon center cède, ma droite recule, excellent situation, j'attaque."
[My center is losing, my right is retreating, the situation is great, I am attacking].

The German advance was abruptly halted, but at a terrible cost in human lives.

French troop losses (killed and wounded) were estimated at around 250. German losses were almost the same. The much smaller British force suffered 000 casualties.


The Germans retreated to the Aisne valley, where they prepared for a new battle. At the Battle of the Aisne, the Allied forces were unable to break through the German line of defense and the fighting quickly reached a stalemate. Neither side was willing to back down.

The German army was forced to abandon its idea of ​​a quick victory and began to dig trenches for defensive purposes.

With the reflection of the German army on the Marne, the nature of the war underwent profound changes. At first, digging trenches was supposed to be only a temporary measure, but it marked a fundamental change in military tactics. The days of open war are over. Both sides are now bogged down in the mud and blood of the trenches. People remained locked in these underground lairs until the end of the war.

However, the revolutionary change in tactics did not immediately lead to a corresponding change in the mentality of the generals.

French commander-in-chief Joffre, even compared to many of the brutal and incompetent generals of the First World War, stands out as a brilliant example of a lack of military talent and humanity in equal measure. Here, mule-like stubbornness and idiotic inflexibility have replaced that genuine stubbornness and audacity, which are the necessary qualities of a great commander.

Firmly convinced of his absolute superiority over humanity, and in particular over his fellow officers, Joffre considered himself the savior of France. Foch said of him that despite his lack of originality, he never hesitated in making a decision and "he didn't know what France would do without him".

Showing complete indifference to the deaths of his own soldiers, Joffre constantly put pressure on them to go on the offensive. The French army was ordered to carry out a series of pointless pinpoint attacks, the only result of which was heavy casualties. The attacking units were mowed down by merciless rifle and machine-gun fire long before they reached the enemy trenches. Many victims were left to die a painful death, lying on no-man's land or dangling like a scarecrow on the enemy's barbed wire.

Christmas in the trenches


The German defeat on the Marne ended Berlin's dreams of a quick victory.

This also marked the end of Moltke's military career. He was fired immediately. But, in any case, the disappointment on the side of the Allies was even greater. The Germans, despite their defeat, had about one-tenth of the territory of France under their control. Moreover, the occupied territory included some of France's richest agricultural land, eighty percent of its coal, nearly all of its iron reserves, and most of its industry.

The Allies won the battle, but not the war, which has now led to a stalemate.

The first trenches were simply improvised structures, often just shell craters, in which frightened soldiers took refuge from the devastating hail of bullets. But they soon became more stable and complex, especially on the German side, where the soldiers enjoyed much better conditions than their French and British counterparts. Their trenches were deeper, better protected, and equipped with kitchens and other amenities.

All wars consist of short bursts of hectic activity, separated by long periods of "boredom."

The static nature of trench warfare led to a growing curiosity about what was happening on the other side. The proximity of the enemy meant that they could be heard, although rarely seen. The smells of their breakfast preparations wafted to the soldiers on the other side, who were housed in the same conditions of damp and cold as those. From time to time, loud conversations took place between the trenches, and in some cases even the exchange of various objects.

Thus, mutual respect began to develop, which paved the way for fraternization.

In the first months of the trench war, there was a kind of “live and let live” mood, when soldiers who were in close proximity to each other stopped fighting and entered into small fraternities. In some sectors, unofficial truces were established, allowing soldiers to leave the trenches and heal wounded comrades. Sometimes they came to a tacit agreement not to shoot while people were resting, exercising, or working in full view of the enemy.

On January 1, 1915, the Norfolk Chronicle and the Norwich Gazette published the following letter containing an eyewitness account of this:

Funny trench incident. "Tommy" and "Fritz" exchange gifts. One of the oddities of warfare on the western battlefields, at any rate (says the Daily Chronicle), is the close proximity of the opposing forces in the trenches, which makes for a conversation.

But the entry must certainly be made in connection with the incident described in a letter from Private H. Scrouton, Essex, to relatives at Wood Green, Norwich. He's writing:

“As I told you before, our trenches are only 30-40 yards from the Germans. This led to a disturbing incident the other day. Our comrades had a habit of shouting at the enemy, and we were accustomed to receiving answers from them. We were told to enter into conversation with them, and this is what happened.

From our trenches: "Good morning, Fritz." (No answer). "Good morning, Fritz." (Still unanswered). "GOOD MORNING, FRITZ."

From the German trenches: "Good morning."

From our trench: "How are you?" "Good". "Come here, Fritz." "No. If I go, they'll shoot me. " “No, they won't shoot. Let's". "Go and get some cigarettes, Fritz." "No. You will go half way to us, and I will go to you. " "Good".

After that, one of our guys filled his pocket with cigarettes and climbed over the trench. The German crossed his trench, and pretty soon they met halfway and shook hands, Fritz took the cigarettes and gave cheese in exchange for them. It was nice to see the Germans standing at the top of their trenches, and the British too, with their caps waving in the air, all greeting each other.

About 18 of our men made it half way and met about the same number of Germans. This went on for about half an hour, when both sides returned to their trenches to fire at each other again.

The dangers inherent in this did not escape the generals. They were especially concerned about the approaching Christmas season.

On 5 December 1914 II Corps Headquarters [General Sir Horace Smith-Dorrien] issued an instruction to the commanders of all divisions:

It is during this period that there is the greatest danger to the morale of the troops. The experience of this and every other war undoubtedly proves that troops in the trenches in close proximity to the enemy slip very easily, if they are allowed to do so, into the "live and let live" theory of life...

Officers and soldiers sink into a military lethargy from which it is difficult to awaken them when the moment comes again for great sacrifices ... The attitude of our troops is easy to understand and to a certain extent evokes sympathy ...

However, such an attitude is most dangerous, since it discourages the initiative of the commanders and destroys the offensive spirit in all ranks ... Therefore, the corps commander instructs the division commanders to instill in subordinate commanders the absolute necessity of encouraging the offensive spirit ...

Friendly relations with the enemy, unofficial armed actions, no matter how tempting and funny they may be, are absolutely prohibited.

But such prohibitions were powerless to stop the tendency to fraternization.

Snippets of chants that circulated throughout the trenches during the week leading up to Christmas encouraged German and British soldiers to exchange seasonal greetings and songs between their trenches.

Finally, they began to emerge from their relatively safe trenches and establish direct contact with the other side, exchanging gifts and souvenirs.


Instinctively, the soldiers realized that the people in the other trenches were workers just like themselves, involved in senseless slaughter to protect the interests of kings, lords and capitalists. Many soldiers on both sides spontaneously walked into the no-man's trenches (the area between the German and the British), where they exchanged food and cigarettes and even held joint funeral ceremonies, sometimes with meetings ending with the singing of hymns.

The Germans began by placing candles on their trenches and Christmas trees, then continued the celebration by singing carols, to which the British responded with their own songs.

On Christmas Eve 1914, both sides declared an unofficial truce and a football match was played in No Man's Land. In some places, the truce lasted a week. It is estimated that up to 100 people took part.

However, the officer caste on both sides was enraged by this spontaneous movement towards fraternization with the "enemy".

The following Christmas, sentries on both sides were ordered to shoot any soldier who tried to spread the Christmas message of "peace on earth and good will to all people." Any soldier who sticks his head over the parapet will receive a small Christmas present in the form of a bullet to the head.

The goal of the ruling class is always to divide the working class along national, racial, linguistic and other lines. This is more evident in war than in peacetime.

The generals were horrified by the instinctive fraternization of the workers.

The deployment of snipers along the front line was undertaken precisely to prevent further fraternization.
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  1. +5
    23 September 2021 05: 39
    Paris was saved in many respects by the courage and stamina of the Russian soldier! When the French began to burn, they began to beg Russia: "The French army will be forced to withstand the mighty onslaught of 25 German corps. I beg Your Majesty to order your troops to attack immediately. Otherwise, the French army risks being crushed", - wrote the Ambassador of France to Russia Maurice Palaeologus to the Russian Emperor Nicholas II on August 5, 1914. And the heroic 2nd Army of General Samsonov in East Prussia, still not completely ready (she needed a few more weeks), went forward to the offensive, pumping out German reserves from Western Front! The army was completely killed, but Paris was saved ... That's what the French also need to remember today!
    1. +8
      23 September 2021 06: 00
      Showing complete indifference to the deaths of his own soldiers, Joffre constantly put pressure on them to go on the offensive.
      But "Women give birth" is attributed only to Russian / Soviet military leaders.
    2. +3
      23 September 2021 08: 21
      In fact, not everything is clear with the East Prussian operation: in general, the idea was good, but the execution was disgusting.
      This was posted on the site.
      Comrades, I recommend: find Oleinev's publications, the whole operation is DETAILED there
    3. +1
      23 September 2021 08: 25
      "she needed a few more weeks" in the same way, when the Allies broke into the Ardennes in 1945.
      Churchill appealed to Stalin to launch an offensive
      1. +6
        23 September 2021 10: 05
        No one can cancel class solidarity. We recall our sabotage groups, let's say on the territory of Finland, Norway. The group was looking for the poorest house and naturally, there was support and no betrayal.
        1. +6
          23 September 2021 10: 11
          Or another example, I am a construction superintendent so that I can agree with a related organization about equipment, materials - this is a whole chain of gimmicks, coordination with higher authorities, and so on .. And so the foreman approached another foreman, something was changed ... here is the result! They are robots, they have nothing to share! This is what class solidarity is! good
        2. +1
          23 September 2021 18: 19
          Quote: Proxima
          No one can cancel class solidarity. We recall our sabotage groups, let's say on the territory of Finland, Norway.

          I see no connection between the Resistance movement and "class solidarity." Was WWII a class struggle? Which ones?
        3. +1
          24 September 2021 19: 07
          Proxima, read Beria's diary: "Otto Kuseinen assured Stalin that the Finns would not resist. The Finnish workers would turn their weapons against their government"
      2. +4
        23 September 2021 14: 02

        № 383
        PERSONAL AND STRICT SECRET MESSAGE FROM Mr CHURCHILL TO MARSHAL STALIN

        Very heavy battles are taking place in the West, and large decisions may be required from the High Command at any time. You yourself know from your own experience how disturbing the situation is when you have to defend a very wide front after a temporary loss of initiative. General Eisenhower is very desirable and necessary to know in general terms what you intend to do, as this, of course, will affect all of his and our most important decisions. According to the message, our .emissary Chief Air Marshal Tedder was in Cairo last night, being weather bound. His trip was dragged out through no fault of yours. If he has not yet arrived at you, I will be grateful if you can tell me if we can count on a major Russian offensive on the Vistula front or somewhere else during January and at any other moments that you may be talking about. wish to mention. I will not pass on this highly confidential information to anyone, with the exception of Field Marshal Brook and General Eisenhower, and only if it is kept in the strictest confidence. I consider the matter urgent.

        6th of January 1945



        Where is the request? And in some articles they added to the fact that Churchill allegedly begged Stalin to start this offensive.
        1. +3
          23 September 2021 22: 28
          Quote: Sea Cat
          There is very heavy fighting going on in the West, and at any time big decisions may be required from the High Command. You yourselves know from your own experience how disturbing the situation is when one has to defend a very wide front after a temporary loss of initiative.

          And what's that? It's just diplomatic language. Translated into Russian it is something like this: "Help! They are beating us! Please help who can do anything! Otherwise they will trample us!" Something like this. The fact that they went to the meeting and started the offensive earlier than planned is a well-known fact, I can add only one thing from myself. I am not a supporter of this POLITICAL decision! Maybe fewer of our soldiers would have died? If not for politics!
          1. +3
            24 September 2021 00: 21
            Otherwise we will be trampled

            I wonder how, with complete domination of the allied aviation in the sky.
            And with regard to saving the lives of our soldiers, I absolutely agree with you.
          2. 0
            24 September 2021 09: 03
            Quote: non-primary
            Translated into Russian it is something like this: "Help! They are beating us! Please help who can do anything! Otherwise they will trample us!"

            Translator "from the diplomatic", I must say, none of you, alas.
            Quote: non-primary
            Maybe our soldiers would have died less?

            It was this - "so that our guys would die less" - that, as you know, was Winnie's main motivation throughout the war.
        2. Mwg
          0
          24 September 2021 05: 40
          "...I would be grateful if you could let me know if we can count on a major Russian offensive on the Vistula front or elsewhere during January and at any other points you may wish to mention. "
        3. +1
          24 September 2021 19: 13
          Kostya, thanks for the dishonest document, otherwise it is constantly misinterpreted
  2. -9
    23 September 2021 07: 14
    mule-like stubbornness and idiotic inflexibility

    is this ... a Marxist analysis? request

    Instinctively, the soldiers realized that the people in the other trenches were workers just like themselves, involved in a senseless slaughter to protect interests kings, lords and capitalists.

    And nothing that the Germans were under the capital of France, very far from Germany?

    Maybe, after all, the French defended their homeland from the invasion of foreign invaders?

    And a little later, "workers of all countries, unite!" , nevertheless, they united, and spitting with a calm soul on the whole of Marxism, they came to the USSR and committed such atrocities against its proletarians that the world had not yet seen.
    1. 0
      23 September 2021 07: 29
      Yes, what kind of proletarians are you, enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists?
      Are you in the Civil War unleashed by you in Russia, that when you attacked the USSR and the Soviet people in 1941, that after you captured the republics of the USSR, you were and are doing one thing - to plunder the country and people, and to destroy the people.
      1. -12
        23 September 2021 08: 38
        Quote: tatra
        , were engaged and are engaged in one thing - to plunder the country and the people, and to destroy the people.

        The people in the Gulag were destroyed by the communists, and the country was plundered by the communists-werewolves since the end of the 80s.
        1. +1
          23 September 2021 08: 40
          Here, and the whole ideology of the enemies of the communists, "we are all so innocently repressed, and always and nothing to do with everything."
        2. -5
          23 September 2021 09: 08
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          The people in the Gulag were destroyed by the communists, and the country was plundered by the communists-werewolves since the end of the 80s.

          These were the enemies of the communists, the same enemies of the communists in 37 slapped all the communists .... Tatra, did I say correctly?
          1. -10
            23 September 2021 09: 23
            Quote: Serg65
            These were the enemies of the communists, these same enemies of the communists in the 37th slapped all the communists ....

            At 37, the communists slapped the enemies of the Bolshevik people. And then the communists were shot by the enemies of the communists. Such is the wheel of genoty.
            1. -9
              23 September 2021 09: 25
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              At 37, the communists slapped the enemies of the Bolshevik people

              I agree, I called them communists by mistake ...
          2. -8
            23 September 2021 10: 59
            Quote: Serg65
            These were the enemies of the communists, the same enemies of the communists in 37 slapped all the communists .... Tatra, did I say correctly?

            hi
            let me be clear: the communists slapped the enemies of the communists in 1936, but ... turned out to be enemies of the communists and were slapped by the real communists in 1937-38, who, in turn, turned out to be enemies of the communists and were slapped by the super real communists in 1940, but turned out to be enemies of the communists and were slapped by the super-persistent communists in 1953, who also turned out to be enemies, they were thrown out and formed, it would seem, already diamond purity communists, but then ... Tatra came belay recourse
            1. -1
              23 September 2021 12: 56
              Quote: Olgovich
              Tatra came

              laughing And she came not alone, but with a detachment of communists ... what or non-communists, or maybe enemies of the communists ... recourse la ... I'm confused !!!!
              1. 0
                23 September 2021 14: 16
                What's the difference, the ending is still unambiguous. drinks
            2. -3
              23 September 2021 14: 15
              Quote: Olgovich
              who also turned out to be enemies, they were thrown out and, it would seem, communists of diamond purity were formed

              By the way, the Pechenegs and Polovtsy were also enemies of the communists, Tatra will not let you lie.
            3. 0
              23 September 2021 14: 18
              I think it makes sense to talk about the evolutionary theory of Aunt Tatra. The origin of the enemies of the communists in the process of retrograde ideological mitosis.
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      2. -2
        23 September 2021 10: 11
        Quote: tatra
        Yes, what kind of proletarians are you, enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists?

        Ehm ... Here's the thing, auntie:
      3. -11
        23 September 2021 11: 08
        Quote: tatra
        Yes, what proletarians of you ,

        What regiment are you in .. Oh! - Did you serve the factory? "Red worker"? "Red Mischief?"

        Shame on us, orphaned engineers hi

        I sincerely want to shake the calloused hand of work. hi
        1. -7
          23 September 2021 11: 41
          Quote: Olgovich
          What regiment are you in .. Oh! - Did you serve the factory? "

          I, too, am in admiration: after a 12-hour shift at the card-scraper, after a meeting of the workshop party cell, after a picket at the factory administration against replacing compote with jelly in a set lunch, after a rally in support of the communists of Botswana - Tatra's aunt still has the strength to drive here with a broom enemies of the communists!
          Quote: Olgovich
          Shame on us, orphaned engineers

          From you, educated, everything will be misfortune .... And I also put on a hat ....
        2. -7
          23 September 2021 14: 13
          .Oh! - Did you serve the factory? "Red worker"? "Red Mischief?"

          No, it was in the countryside - the collective farms "Steel Udder" and "Red Drawbar", but they drank there exclusively the cocktail "Tear of the Proletarian". laughing drinks
          1. -4
            23 September 2021 14: 57
            Quote: Sea Cat
            collective farms "Steel Udder" and "Krasnoe Vyslo"

            I apologize, but the collective farms were called "40 years without a crop" and "Chervono tongue"! drinks
    2. 0
      23 September 2021 16: 36
      Quote: Olgovich
      And a little later, "proletarians of all countries, unite!" , nevertheless, united, and do not give a damn about the whole Marxism


      And they became happy ...... the proletarians, that is. But the bourgeoisie have united globally and in fact, so cleverly that even the internecine bourgeois wars were only profitable for them. There is strength in unity!

      In my opinion, THIS is the triumph of the Marxist approach. And Marxism did not suffer at all from the fact that some "dancers" are even hindered by their own ........, and not just the unity of class interests. An idea is a tool - a smart one will use it to his advantage, and a stupid one will break the skull of another similar half-fool with this tool. The tool is not at fault.
  3. +12
    23 September 2021 07: 43
    When reading the article, a strong impression is created that you are reading the answer of a three-year student on the topic of the First World War, who somehow learned his homework. In addition, Russian is clearly not a native language for this three-year-old, so it is very difficult for him to express even his limited knowledge.
    The British did not even believe that there would be any need to send soldiers to the ground.

    To call this work "Marxist analysis" one must have a very developed imagination.
    1. +6
      23 September 2021 10: 12
      Rather, a sketch of some aspects of PMA. But it was interesting to read.
      I did not know about some features of the "fraternization" episodes.
      All these countries fought each other so many times in a geographically small area, they studied each other so much and were so connected by economics that their peoples subconsciously began to perceive themselves as a collection of people connected by common interests. But the interests of the tops really diverged.
      1. +3
        23 September 2021 12: 20
        hi good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! wink still yes!
        .... it was interesting to read ...
        For example, I was also interested in the fact that we had already read articles about WW1 by Oleinikov and Samsonov.
        Now another author who reminded someone of a schoolboy. There is probably nothing wrong or offensive in this, since we are talking about different ages of authors and readers.
        Unfortunately, the systematic long-term study of Marxism is a thing of the past.
        As I understand it, under the USSR ---- like it or not, study Marxism!
        The party said, the Komsomol replied There!
        And now --- all by yourself, by yourself .... Well, I want to study Marxism .. For a long time. I don’t study ...
        1. +8
          23 September 2021 12: 45
          Good morning, Dima! )))
          The fact is that Marxism has ceased to be suitable for assessing modern realities, because from it, reality, large collectives of workers are excluded, on whose consciousness this teaching was based, opposing them to the capitalist class. The widespread robotization in Western countries leads to the consistent exclusion of such collectives from production, which means that they cannot be in political life, thereby excluding the reliance on orthodox Marxist theory on them.
          I have read about Japanese factories that produce a huge amount of products with only three workers. This is a line that requires only loading of raw materials under the supervision of one operator, then one adjuster, under whose supervision the equipment of the entire technological line, and at the exit - automatic packaging and shipment of products also under the supervision of one operator. Naturally, these people hold onto their jobs. This, of course, is an extreme, but one that every capitalist strives for. As a result, a huge number of people are formed that are not in demand in serious production, which makes them superfluous in the eyes of the capitalists. After all, sooner or later these "superfluous" ones will find a form of protest unification outside the joint work collectives and will spontaneously find it. This new reality, which makes people redundant and therefore unites them, must be ideologically described as an extension of Marxist ideology. But he doesn't.
          1. +2
            23 September 2021 13: 08
            Thank you, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! love What else is here? In this group of ours, several people criticized the author's Marxism. Probably, not every group has people who know Marxism. Here at my work they were not before, and now they are not. Although maybe recourse the founders study secretly. But they won't say
            Over time, falsifications on the topic of Marxism will grow. Who is in what much.
          2. +3
            23 September 2021 22: 05
            As it is not up to the end. Then, for example, in a certain limited space (territory, state, globe), only these "three" will be able to buy that huge amount of goods that they themselves produce, and "extra", as you say, will not. Honestly, about Marxism, you can and should talk, delving into it. Again, according to Marxism, capitalism is vitally interested in profit and it understands perfectly well that you cannot sell anything to poor buyers, then the "unity and struggle of opposites" comes into play, when yes, capitalism is equally interested in both reducing the cost of production and increasing the ability to pay buyers. Otherwise, these "three" will work for the warehouse, which, instead of profit, will give the capitalist a loss.
            Well, the classic: "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action." Therefore, constantly weaving the working class as the antagonist of capitalism and the main acting force, modern interpreters of Marxism have run up against the wall of the ideologeme "working class", which is now vanishingly small. They don't know what to do or what to say. and yet Marxism considers the struggle of the oppressed and the oppressors. It's just that at that time, the most advanced and organized, of the oppressed, was the working class, which absolutely does not mean it, the working class, has a priority in the fight against the oppressors at another time. Marxism regards the struggle of classes as permanent (until their complete disappearance) and this struggle can (and should), the most suitable for a given historical period, a part of society. These interpreters are caught by their opponents in the same working class, but what about: no working class - no Marxism.
            1. +4
              23 September 2021 22: 29
              only these "three" will be able to buy that huge amount of goods that they themselves produce, and the "superfluous", as you say, will not.


              You are asking the right question, colleague.
              Hence the talk of an unconditional basic income. Which they are already trying to implement, and even we are discussing its possibility. The conversation about the "superfluous" humanity is extensive, interesting, and if I have the strength, I will continue it tomorrow.
          3. +1
            27 September 2021 05: 21
            Marxist ideology is based on the postulate that capital cannot produce, it can be done by people engaged in production, and therefore there is exploitation of man by man. Your example refutes this fundamental postulate, so communist ideology cannot be extended to include it.
          4. -1
            7 December 2021 13: 11
            Robotization is not about "excluding" the working masses from production and social activity, but, consequently, from the struggle against capitalism ...
            Robotization is a clear example of the refutation of Marx's theory about the source of surplus value - the exploitation of the worker by the capitalist ...
        2. +1
          23 September 2021 13: 50
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And now --- all by yourself, by yourself .... Well, I want to study Marxism .. For a long time. I don’t study ...

          But what has it to do with, nafig, Marxism in general ?? This Mitrofanushka could just as well have thrust into the headline, say, string theory or Lamarck's teleology. This is just a clumsy attempt to give some weight to his banal writing - the author usually makes use of it in Zen, as I understand it. I just put a label on my cheap - "Marxism", like, in a demanding audience, VO should arouse interest and add clickbait. In terms of
          Quote: depressant
          sketching some aspects of PMA.
          generally funny to consider it seriously - to write, for example, about the "Marne miracle" and not say a word about its real creator - Monsieur Gallieni - this is a profanity.
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 14: 01
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            Quote: Reptiloid
            And now --- all by yourself, by yourself .... Well, I want to study Marxism .. For a long time. I don’t study ...

            But what has it to do with, nafig, Marxism in general ?? ......
            so I went on and wrote,
            ..falsifications on the topic of Marxism will grow ...
            someone will believe.
            And I am not by chance laughing remembered articles by other VO authors about WW1
            1. 0
              23 September 2021 16: 47
              Quote: Reptiloid
              ..falsifications on the topic of Marxism will grow ...

              why falsify something about which the masses have a rather vague, to put it mildly, idea? And how to falsify the theory of surplus value? Globalization? Monopolies? Income polarization?
          2. 0
            23 September 2021 17: 46
            I just stuck a label on my cheap stuff - "Marxism", like, VO should arouse interest in a demanding audience and add clickbait.
            hi good
          3. 0
            23 September 2021 22: 39
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            But what does it have to do with Marxism in general?? This mitrofanushka could just as well stick in the headline, say, string theory or Lamarck's teleology.

            will life be enough for you, just to retype everything that was written by Marx?
            For smart people, Marx ceased to be a dogma already 100 years ago. This is just a methodology. Modern human society is now viewed not from the standpoint of Marxism, but from the standpoint of the science of Ethology.
      2. +5
        23 September 2021 13: 43
        I did not know about some features of the "fraternization" episodes.

        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I forgot, do you speak English? There is nothing about such a phenomenon as Live and let live in Russian-language literature. I would recommend Trench warfare, 1914-18: the live and let live system.

        But it was interesting to read.

        If you were interested, then the book by Leonard Cyril Dayton "World War II: Mistakes, Misses, Losses" should please you. It is available online in Russian. It also has a lot about the First World War.
        1. +6
          23 September 2021 14: 10
          Victor Nikolaevich, good afternoon hi )))
          Unfortunately, she taught English only at the institute, not attaching importance to it, because it is an optional course. But I read a lot about these wars in Russian publications, the reasons for these wars are clear, and the reasons for the defeat in them are also clear. Therefore, I am only interested in details based on documents that I find in the works of Remarque and Russian writers.
          And, you know, lately it's getting chilly from diving into the history of wars in the 20th century. Like reports from the front, which is far away, but approaching.
          1. +1
            23 September 2021 14: 23
            Quote: depressant
            .... And, you know, lately it has become chilly from immersion in the history of wars of the 20th century. Like reports from the front, which is far away, but approaching.
            It was the First World War under capitalism. There were no such wars before.
            1. +4
              23 September 2021 14: 48
              I would be careful not to make such statements. Unless these are World.
              1. +1
                23 September 2021 15: 10
                Oh sure, hi there were wars of 30 years, 100 years, others.
                30-year-old - the first all-European war.
                But this one mentioned is the World one. By the number of people, equipment, new types of weapons. Also new inventions, achievements, .....
          2. +9
            23 September 2021 17: 31
            only the details are interesting, based on the documents that I find at Remarque
            "Excusez-moi, cherе madame Lyudmila Yakovlevna, but .. Remarque ..? About a month and a half at the front, injury and the next year of service in the hospital office ... Agree, it is rather weak for a battle-hardened veteran, as Remarque appears under the impression of his , without a doubt, the great novel All Quiet on the Western Front. I dare to recommend Ernst Jünger. You will learn more from In Steel Storms details based on documents, since, unlike many other authors who visited the front only "passing through," Jünger knew the war as well as no one else.
            “I determined that, apart from such trifles as ricochets and scratches, I received a total of fourteen hits, namely: five rifle shots, two shell fragments, four hand grenades, one shrapnel bullet and two bullet fragments, entry and exit holes from which left twenty scars on me.
            But this, of course, is a matter of taste ..
            1. +6
              23 September 2021 17: 54
              But for some reason, Remarque is more famous.
              Apparently, the point is in the influence of the talent of the writer on the reader. To the extent of this talent. And I actually had more of the Arc de Triomphe in mind. She is closer to me. It took me a week to cook in a partially frontal zone during the collapse of the Soviet Union, to endure the idea that war for an ordinary citizen is an indescribable horror. That with all the forces and capabilities of diplomacy, the country's political leadership should avoid war.
          3. +2
            23 September 2021 22: 44
            Quote: depressant
            And, you know, lately it's getting chilly from diving into the history of wars in the 20th century. Like reports from the front, which is far away, but approaching.

            Likewise! I got material on the "young guard" of the city of Krasnodon .. At school they read it, they raised the banner on the rulers, they made reports .... And now all of a sudden, tears have splashed .. Or about barrack No. 20 in Mauthausen and the history of the uprising! What awaits Mankind if it continues to follow the same path?
  4. +4
    23 September 2021 07: 47
    It is good that readers have been warned that this is a Marxist analysis.

    In the Guinness Book of Records, Maria Petrovna Sergeeva has collected the largest collection of matchboxes.
    She worked for thirty years as a cleaner in the bact-analysis laboratory of the local sanitary and epidemiological station.
    1. +4
      23 September 2021 07: 53
      Quote: A. Privalov
      It is good that readers have been warned that this is a Marxist analysis.

      This is a mockery of Marxism, just a real mockery, not a Marxist analysis.
      1. +2
        23 September 2021 07: 59
        It’s just that I already published the translation of the beginning of the book that served as the source for this article on Zen, in connection with which I had to start publishing, as it were, 3/4 of the book.
        1. +3
          23 September 2021 08: 07
          Apparently, for this reason, it turned out chaotically, because Lenin had a lot of work on this topic.
        2. +4
          23 September 2021 08: 32
          Isn't this book in Russian, with a normal translation?
        3. +1
          23 September 2021 12: 04
          Quote: Vladimir Zyryanov
          in connection with which I had to start publishing, as it were, 3/4 of the book.

          What book?
    2. +3
      23 September 2021 08: 27
      Quote: A. Privalov
      In the Guinness Book of Records, Maria Petrovna Sergeeva has collected the largest collection of matchboxes.
      She worked for thirty years as a cleaner in the bact-analysis laboratory of the local sanitary and epidemiological station.

      But, here is the keeper of museum treasures (90s-early zero) from the Hermitage, who took 200 museum exhibits out of the museum (for selfish purposes), was not included in the book of records.
      1. -4
        23 September 2021 09: 28
        Quote: bober1982
        But, here is the keeper of museum treasures (90s-early zero) from the Hermitage, who took 200 museum exhibits out of the museum (for selfish purposes), was not included in the book of records.

        It was also the process of rebirth of the socialist-oriented Soviet man into a new capitalist way of life. The concept has changed and there has been a paradigm shift. Although now Tatra will come and say that the enemies of the communists endured the museum valuables.
        1. 0
          23 September 2021 11: 27
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          It was also the process of rebirth of the socialist-oriented Soviet man into a new capitalist way of life.

          Yes, what kind of "processes" are there, nesuns are the same integral symbol of the Soviet era as ballet, space and happy pioneers.
          1. -1
            23 September 2021 15: 53
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            thugs - the same integral symbol of the Soviet era

            This means that it was a deliberate return to Soviet traditions in the era of the emergence of wild Russian capitalism.
            1. +1
              23 September 2021 16: 38
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              So it was a conscious return to Soviet traditions

              what does "return" mean? Where? Kleptomaniac reflexes didn't come from anywhere and didn't go anywhere - they were always there. Basic instinct.
    3. +3
      23 September 2021 09: 54
      Quote: A. Privalov
      It is good that readers have been warned that this is a Marxist analysis.

      Marx and Engels study Zyryanov's analysis.
      Canvas.
      Butter?
      1. +1
        23 September 2021 11: 54
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Canvas.
        Butter?

        Oil, but not canvas, wood
        1. -1
          23 September 2021 19: 11
          Tree
          Pinocchio?
  5. +3
    23 September 2021 08: 36
    "stands out as a brilliant example of the lack of military talent" Ignatiev in his book: "Fifty Years in the Service" spoke positively about him
  6. +3
    23 September 2021 09: 00
    When the author is recognized by the very first lines, this should flatter him. But not in the case of Zyryanov.
    Marxist analysis .....?
    Zyryanov has a rather vague idea of ​​Marxism and analytics. Like a beauty blogger about the Higgs boson.
    1. -1
      23 September 2021 18: 12
      Zyryanov has a rather vague idea of ​​Marxism and analytics.
      Everything is much worse, Zyryanov, came to the site seriously and for a long time. He has a vague idea about everything. "The book is the source of knowledge." So he drinks from this source, absolutely without going into details. He made syllables from letters, words from syllables, sentences from words. He is not a mitrofanushka, but parsley, who was fascinated by this process.
      1. 0
        23 September 2021 19: 05
        Then it's even sadder.
  7. +4
    23 September 2021 09: 51
    Where is Marxism and where is analysis?
  8. +3
    23 September 2021 10: 32
    Hmm... Analysis, Marxism? A quick run through the fighting and all the analysis about the "trench fraternities", but what causes the war?
  9. +11
    23 September 2021 10: 32
    The Germans began by placing candles on their trenches and Christmas trees, then continued the celebration by singing carols, to which the British responded with their own songs.
    It is believed that the Germans were the first to take the initiative.
    “I stood on the rifle step of the trench, looking at the German line of defense, and thought about how strikingly different this Holy evening is from those that I had before,” recalled British shooter Graham Williams. - Suddenly, along the breastwork of the German trenches, here and there, lights began to appear, which, most likely, were given by candles lit on Christmas trees; the candles burned evenly and brightly in the calm and frosty evening air. Other sentries, who, of course, saw the same thing, rushed to wake those who were sleeping, yelling: "Just look what is happening!" And at that moment the enemy began to sing "Silent night, wonderful night ..." In response, we sang our psalm. From the German side, there was a chorus of applause, followed by another Christmas theme they loved. "
    The captain of the 2nd battalion of the Gordon Highlanders in a letter to his "beloved mother" stated that "he witnessed a very amazing event."
    Before that, at about 10 am, he saw the peacefully-minded Germans at the British trenches.
    “We were just preparing to open fire on them, when we saw that they had no rifles, and then one of ours went to meet them, and about two minutes later the space between the two lines of defense was filled with soldiers and officers from both sides - they were shaking each other hands to each other and wished each other a Merry Christmas. I also went to the no-man's land and shook hands with some of their officers and soldiers. From this I concluded that most of them would like to be at home again, just like us - we played bagpipes all day and everyone walked in the open space, not fearing anything, ”Chater summed up.
    Unlike truces, traditionally concluded during previous wars and always sanctioned from above, in this case it was exclusively the desire of the personnel. The temporary pause was dictated not only by religious motives, but also by the urgent need to bury the killed soldiers, whose bodies remained in the neutral zone. Joint funeral services were held for the fallen. From stories about how the truce began, it is known that in other sectors of the Western Front the initiative came from the British, who, throwing a white flag, "approached the German trenches, carrying Christmas cakes in their hands." An unofficial agreement between the rank and file soldiers implied a truce for 48 hours.
    “It is difficult to imagine a more amazing sight. Our soldiers and Germans stood in groups or walked between the trenches, as if it were happening in Hyde Park, - said in a letter from a British soldier, the text of which is quoted in a scientific article by the historian Marina Obolonkova “Episode of the history of the Great War as an element of the historical memory of Europeans: Christmas truce 1914 of the year". "The funny thing is that some of the Germans used to live in London. I met a German with whom I went every morning on the same train from Finchley to the City."
    From the letters from the front, it can be seen that the Christmas truce made a strong impression on many. In the rear, the news of a short break in hostilities was generally received positively. British newspapers published on the front page a picture of English and German soldiers posing like brothers. Of course, the high command was, to put it mildly, not thrilled with what they saw.
    “This is a good indication of the apathy we have fallen into, and in addition indicates that all our orders were given in vain,” General Horace Smith-Dorrien of the Royal Armed Forces noted bitterly in his diary on December 26. “I gave a clear order that communication with enemy units could not be approved under any circumstances.”
    1. +9
      23 September 2021 10: 33
      The following Christmas, sentries on both sides were ordered to shoot any soldier who tried to spread the Christmas message of "peace on earth and good will to all people."
      On the Western Front, the Germans tried to leave their trenches under a white flag on Easter Sunday 1915, but were stopped by warning shots from the British. However, in November, the Saxons briefly fraternized with the Liverpool.
      The idea of ​​a Christmas truce did not become part of the tradition of the First World War. The following year, the command of the German and British armies issued warnings about the categorical avoidance of repeated fraternization. Individual units were ordered to organize raids and attack the enemy front line on this day, while artillery barrage was supposed to interfere with possible communication with the enemy. The protracted course of the war and the brutal battles with gas attacks, in turn, greatly contributed to the anger of the soldiers. Brotherhood was replaced by hatred. Large-scale attempts to play football again and then chat with beer no longer occurred. Historians know only very local fraternizations in 1915, 1916 and 1917.
      Subsequently, the phenomenon of the Christmas Truce was observed in various military conflicts of the 1932th century, for example, between Paraguay and Bolivia during the Chaco war in 1966, and also in Vietnam in XNUMX.
      1. +12
        23 September 2021 10: 36
        a football match was played in no man's land.
        One such football battle was recalled by Lieutenant Johannes Niemann of the German 133rd Royal Saxon Regiment, who reported that his soldiers beat the Tommy of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment 3-2. And on the English side, Lieutenant of the Royal Field Artillery Albert Wynn claimed that in another match against the Prussians and Hanoverians, the Scots from the Lankshire Fusiliers regiment successfully performed, defending the honor of the mistress of the seas with a score of 4: 1.
        These unusual and quite friendly football matches were so remembered by their participants that many decades after the war, a memorable sign in the form of a soccer ball was erected at their venue, in a field near the Belgian town of Comin-Varneton, once located on the Ypres arc. Perhaps this is the only memorial in the world, to which flowers and footballs painted in different colors are carried.
        But there were also soldiers who did not approve of fraternization. So, the 16th Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment, which was at that time in French Flanders, did not participate in the truce. The corporal of the 1st company of this unit, Adolf Hitler, who had been awarded the Iron Cross of the 2nd class three weeks earlier, indignantly spoke to his colleagues:
        “This shouldn't happen in a war. Do you Germans have no sense of honor at all? "
        1. +13
          23 September 2021 10: 37
          On the German-Austrian Eastern Front, individual manifestations of the Christmas truce were recorded. The servicemen of the Russian Imperial Army (RIA), who professed the Western trends of Christianity, strove for fraternization. By the way, many soldiers of German origin fought in its ranks. But they were not the only ones who strove to put weapons aside, of course. On the Russian North-Western Front, there were cases of reconciliation between the soldiers of the Reichsheer and the soldiers of the 249th Danube infantry and 235th Belebevsky infantry regiments.
          The commander of the 1st Army, General Alexander Litvinov, noted in his telegram to the front headquarters that the Germans were increasingly inviting Russians to visit. According to his report, 20 soldiers, four non-commissioned officers and one corporal of the 301st Bobruisk Infantry Regiment of the 76th Infantry Division accepted the invitation and, leaving their positions, went to the enemy's location. During the fraternization, chanting competitions took place. The soldiers exchanged bread, cigarettes, alcohol and chocolate.
          Many representatives of the Slavic peoples served in the troops of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, who in the overwhelming majority did not consider the Russians to be enemies. These soldiers sought the truce in the first place. The famous General Anton Denikin, in his memoirs, argued that the largest fraternization of the Russian military took place not within the framework of the Christmas truce of 1914, but on Easter 1915 and 1916.
          “Fraternization even had a traditional character in the days of Holy Easter; but it was caused exclusively by a hopelessly tedious standing in the trenches, curiosity, just a sense of humanity even in relation to the enemy - a feeling that was manifested by the Russian soldier more than once in the fields of Borodino, and on the bastions of Sevastopol, and in the Balkan Mountains. Fraternization happened rarely, was persecuted by the authorities and did not have a dangerous tendency, "the commander wrote.
          General Yuri Danilov also did not see any serious danger in short-term meetings between soldiers of the warring armies. Very condescendingly, he described such a scene in his essays:
          “On the no-man's land between the trenches, an original acquaintance is being made. Approaching people shake hands, exchange incomprehensible words, newspapers, cigarettes, and sometimes a bottle of alcohol or other drink.
          On our side, the most daring, drawn by the same curiosity, look into other people's trenches and then tell miracles about the life of German soldiers.
    2. +6
      23 September 2021 11: 36
      .I met a German with whom I went on the same train every morning
      Many Germans in those days worked in England as waiters. Therefore, the British often yelled through the trenches "Waiter, waiter" and from the German side they answered "I'm already on my way, gentlemen"
  10. -2
    23 September 2021 12: 32
    The author pulled the class theory onto the globe using the example of WWI. But in the Second World War, such things, although not fraternization, happened quite often, although it is difficult to think that Soviet soldiers had good feelings for the German workers.

    For example, a German machine gunner gives a tracer over the trenches at night. From the rear it seems like there is a war, but on the front line they perfectly read the message of the German: I shoot over you, and you shoot over us and we will live together.
    1. +6
      23 September 2021 12: 59
      Quote: Flanke
      The author pulled the class theory onto a globe using the example of WWI. But in the Second World War, such things, although not fraternization, happened quite often,

      Well, you, too, do not pull the owl. The unspoken rules of conduct during the Second World War have little in common with the "Christmas fraternities" in Ypres, if not nothing at all. And then cranberries like "warehouse truces" appear in the "Penal Battalion" (I apologize for mentioning this crap).
      Perhaps, the work of the funeral teams, dragging the corpses from neutral, is similar, described by Remarque
    2. +1
      23 September 2021 22: 53
      Quote: Flanke
      I shoot over you, and you shoot over us and we will live together.

      you re-read it Zen. If you are a soldier and your family is in the occupied territory, and you have already seen the corpses of the burned children of raped women, then no one lived there peacefully. They shot in the night to no avail when they covered the reconnaissance group.
  11. +3
    23 September 2021 23: 35
    And an even more interesting case is described in the literature. A group of Czech soldiers from the Austro-Hungarian army walked through the forest to surrender to the Russians. They walked with rifles. They ran into a group of about the same number of armed Russian soldiers who were going to surrender to the Austrians. An argument ensued, and then a fight - it was decided who would surrender to whom. The Czechs won. Having beaten the Russians, they loaded them with their own and Russian rifles and forced them to lead them to the Russian rear. We got there and gave up. I don’t know how the Russian losers got out of this situation.
  12. 0
    27 September 2021 05: 29
    The twinning took place during the First World War between the Bulgarian and Russian parts. After the first contact and no Christmas. The Russian command considered this unacceptable and replaced the Russian units with Romanian ones.
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  14. +1
    29 November 2021 03: 53
    Marx said if these people are Marxists then I am not a Marxist and reading this article I understand Marx was right!

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