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It is reported about the deaths as a result of shooting in one of the universities of Perm

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Unfortunately, the information about the death of people during the shooting in one of the higher educational institutions of the city of Perm has been confirmed. Initially, it was reported that an unknown person opened fire in the building of the Perm University. At the same time, there was no information about who the gunman was and what particular university he was talking about.

Now the information is starting to clear up.

According to the latest data, we are talking about the tragic events at the Perm State National Research University. A young man, who is believed to be one of the students of this university, opened fire, which led to casualties.

Local media, citing law enforcement officers, report that at least 8 people died as a result of criminal actions. Several people who were at that moment in the building of the university were injured.

At the same time, it is reported that the gunman was detained. During the arrest, he resisted. As a result, the offender himself was injured.

Messages on the official page of the university in the social network (at 11:00 Moscow time):

Eyewitnesses of the event are asked to go to the KFOR over the speakerphone. Others can leave the campus.

It was also reported about the evacuation of the 8 building of the university.

Initially, it was reported that the attacker was carrying a traumatic pistol. Eyewitness students claim the pump-action shotgun.

Information on the number of dead and injured is being specified.

Meanwhile, a post of one of the university students is circulating on the network, who claims that he was preparing the massacre for a long time. If you believe the disseminated information, then this was his "dream" since the 10th grade of school. At the same time, in the post, he states that the incident was prepared by one and was not a member of any extremist group.

According to unconfirmed reports, the attacker at the university died while being transported to the clinic. Other sources state that he is currently in intensive care.
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  1. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 20 September 2021 11: 38
    +13
    Sad news .. My condolences to my family! This pain will not go away ... and someone proposes to legalize a short-barreled firearm in Russia ...
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 20 September 2021 11: 47
      -7
      ... At the same time, in the post, he states that the incident was prepared by one and was not a member of any extremist group.

      It's hard to believe. The impression is that he is shielding someone, but the special services will still find out who is behind him. They took him alive.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 20 September 2021 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: serg.shishkov2015
        Sad news .. My condolences to my family!

        Join us!

        It is already known that as a result of the shooting of an 18-year-old student-malefactor of this university in a student hostel, 5 people died, 6 were injured. The exact data on the dead and injured are being specified.
        The name of the attacker was also named, who was allegedly also liquidated during the arrest.

        It is noteworthy that the shooting of students at the university took place the day after the voting days of the current elections in the Russian Federation.
        What was it then?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 20 September 2021 12: 06
          +5
          Сообщается, что
          Previously, the name of the shooter is Timur Bekmansurov. The day before, an 18-year-old student published a post on social networks in which he announced his intention to start a shooting.

          He stressed that he is not a member of terrorist organizations and is "apolitical." The original target of the attacker was the school, but later he changed plans.

          According to the latest information, as a result of the shooting at the university, 8 people were killed, 19 were injured, according to the telegram channel Mash. The 18-year-old shooter died on the way to the hospital - he was being taken on a ventilator.

          According to the students, the alarm did not go off at the university, and there were no messages on the local radio. In addition, the passage at the checkpoint in the building was free.
          See in detail - https://newia.ru/news/society/20-09-2021/gubernator-permskogo-kraya-zayavil-o-likvidatsii-odnogo-iz-napadavshih-v-universitete?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 20 September 2021 12: 12
            +34
            Quote: serg.shishkov2015
            and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia

            Thugs were and will be. As are the madmen.
            The simple truth is that the scumbag will find a weapon sooner or later. And he will go to kill. But his law-abiding victims have nothing to answer.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 September 2021 12: 15
              +16
              Quote: Shurik70
              But his law-abiding victims have nothing to answer

              What, in principle, can or should university students respond to an armed thug within the walls of an educational institution?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 20 September 2021 13: 11
                +3
                As of 13:00, Radio Russia reported that as a result of a terrorist attack at a university in Perm:
                - 8 people killed,
                - the number of injured and wounded increased from 18 people to 24 people, of which 19 have exactly a GUNSHOT wound ..
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 20 September 2021 17: 25
                  0
                  Telegram channel at 12:29 pm published a video from surveillance cameras in the lobby of the university campus with the moment of Bekmansurov's liquidation.

                  At the same time, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation claims that the terrorist is in the hospital and is still alive.
                  Speaking about the victims of the Perm shooter, they note that when 18-year-old Timur Bekmansurov (a law student) entered the university building and opened fire, most of the students managed to hide in the classrooms and barricade the doors. Those who did not have time to escape and remained on the first floor, the criminal shot.

                  The Ministry of Internal Affairs also reports that a traffic police officer from the first crew that arrived at the university was wounded and neutralized by Bekmansurov. Namely:
                  "Police junior lieutenant Konstantin Kalinin entered the main building, and his colleague, Police Senior Lieutenant Vladimir Makarov, began to organize the evacuation of citizens. Kalinin saw an armed man in the building. Noticing a policeman, he fired several shots in his direction. ran up to him and neutralized him, after which he began to provide him with first aid "

                  See details - https://lenta.ru/news/2021/09/20/zader/?utm_source=lentainform&utm_medium=exchange&utm_campaign=lenta.ru&utm_term=1280454&utm_content=9627767&es=lentainform
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 50
                -7
                Quote: Flood
                What, in principle, can or should university students respond to an armed thug within the walls of an educational institution?

                By the one that shoots
              3. The comment was deleted.
              4. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 20 September 2021 17: 13
                -1
                Quote: Flood
                Quote: Shurik70
                But his law-abiding victims have nothing to answer

                What, in principle, can or should university students respond to an armed thug within the walls of an educational institution?

                And if these snotty thugs knew that they could immediately answer them, would they go to shoot or not ?!
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 20 September 2021 17: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: Starover_Z
                  And if these snotty thugs knew that they could immediately answer them, would they go to shoot or not ?!

                  so they already know that they will be destroyed or life-long at best
                  in your question the keyword is "right away"?

                  all students are required to undergo shooting training to avoid accidental casualties?
                  1. Starover_Z
                    Starover_Z 20 September 2021 17: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: Flood
                    all students are required to undergo shooting training to avoid accidental casualties?

                    And what's the point? At one time, we had a CWP in our schools, they went to shoot at the range, i.e. You can be able to shoot, but from what, from a slingshot ?! Although this is an idea, now even modern slingshots are being sold, more long-range homemade than Soviet times and even with sights.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 20 September 2021 18: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: Starover_Z
                      At one time, we had a CWP in our schools, they went to shoot at the range, i.e. You can be able to shoot, but from what, from a slingshot ?!

                      I remember well
                      about shooting training, these lessons gave only a superficial idea
                      I am writing about the fact that if you give out to citizens a short-barrel, then you need to permanently take care not only of their mental state, but also the corresponding ability to competently use weapons.
                      precisely in order to avoid tragic accidents.
                      Can you imagine corridors and auditoriums filled with armed youth?
                  2. engineer74
                    engineer74 20 September 2021 22: 47
                    +4
                    Quote: Flood
                    Quote: Starover_Z
                    And if these snotty thugs knew that they could immediately answer them, would they go to shoot or not ?!

                    so they already know that they will be destroyed or life-long at best
                    in your question the keyword is "right away"?

                    all students are required to undergo shooting training to avoid accidental casualties?

                    Unfortunately, even high-quality shooting training will not help. Imagine the situation: you see how a person three meters ahead of you opens fire on the crowd,
                    you are a good shooter and within two seconds you hit a terrorist in the back of the head, another second and a half he falls ...
                    During this time, another armed man, 10 meters ahead of you, just manages to get a weapon, prepare it for shooting, turn around, see the victims and you with a weapon ...
                    And who will be fired upon?
                    And there may be situations that are much tricky - then peacekeepers on armored vehicles will have to be introduced.
                    IMHO ...
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 21 September 2021 01: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: engineer74
                      Unfortunately, even high-quality shooting training will not help. Imagine the situation: you see how a person three meters ahead of you opens fire on the crowd,

                      I am opposed to the legalization of short-barrels
                      just tried to explain to a person the utopian nature of the idea of ​​arming society as a panacea for crime
                      you are right, situations are different
                      and the consequences of a mass shootout would be very depressing
              5. isv000
                isv000 20 September 2021 21: 18
                -2
                Quote: Flood
                What, in principle, can or should university students respond to an armed thug within the walls of an educational institution?

                I won't say about the students, but ... A man in all green, in a Nazi helmet, with a bandolier and a gun, walked along the streets of a city with a population of over one million ... flower pot out of the window?!. So the Kazan scenario is take two ... There are more cameras in the city than mosquitoes in the forest ... sad
            2. Murmur 55
              Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 20
              +24
              In the US, the number of firearms on hand is simply huge and how does this help the victims ??? If these scumbags are eliminated either by special forces or by ordinary patrolmen! Or are you suggesting that all students issue a short barrel ???
              1. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 20 September 2021 12: 33
                +4
                In the United States, the situation with firearms varies greatly from state to state. There are dozens of cases when it helps (for example, when trying to attack a house, shops, etc.).
                You don't need to give out anything to anyone. A person must acquire self-defense means independently, such as, for example, a vehicle.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 20 September 2021 12: 43
                  +5
                  A person must acquire self-defense means independently, such as, for example, a vehicle.

                  Nikita, hello! This little guy, according to reports on some sites, scrupulously described in social networks how he prepared, how he passed the medical examination, how he chose the weapon. He is even too sane, judging by the syllable. No. I am glad that he will not be able to kill him ... if he survives, of course ... negative
                  1. Ryazan87
                    Ryazan87 20 September 2021 12: 48
                    +1
                    Well, and immediately the question is about the effectiveness of the mechanism of the medical commission, the quality of monitoring social activity. And to the very principles of the circulation of civilian weapons. What kind of weapon is allowed, to whom, on what grounds.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 20 September 2021 13: 03
                      -1
                      the problem needs to be solved systematically ... that is. how to strengthen security on the territory of special objects, how to strengthen the medical board, and to restrict access to weapons ... in fact, they introduced a double-barreled gun from the age of 21 ... so even then, the squeals were raised to the ground
                      1. Overlock
                        Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 55
                        +8
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        .those. how to strengthen security on the territory of special objects

                        How many universities, technical schools, vocational schools, schools, kindergartens are there in the country? Can you name a number? Are you offering to protect them all? Who will work, earn money for this security?
                      2. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 20 September 2021 14: 29
                        -1
                        some of the objects are still guarded and money is collected, but in most cases it is a fiction, where instead of a guard and a turntable we have a grandmother, a watchman, so we will have to guard ... for there will be cases of shooting, unfortunately ... or you yourself are ready later for the parents of the victims children to explain for "your children were too expensive to protect"?
                      3. for
                        for 20 September 2021 22: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        Our grandmother is a watchman, so we will have to guard.

                        And I collect money as for a robocop.
                      4. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 21 September 2021 10: 24
                        0
                        that's what control is for
                      5. for
                        for 21 September 2021 11: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        need control

                        For whom, for the head of the institution, for the private security company. Necessary.
                      6. Petro_tut
                        Petro_tut 20 September 2021 20: 29
                        -4
                        How many universities, technical schools, vocational schools, schools, kindergartens are there in the country? Can you name a number? Are you offering to protect them all? Who will work, earn money for this security?

                        We have a lot of Russian guardsmen, not all of them should disperse rallies, let them do business
                      7. fif21
                        fif21 20 September 2021 17: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        how to strengthen security on the territory of special objects, how to strengthen the medical board,

                        The guard was killed first. Medical commissions are levies from the population legalized by the state. It is enough for an LRO specialist to have access to the database of persons registered in a mental dispensary, with a narcologist who have committed drunken offenses. hi
                      8. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 20 September 2021 17: 35
                        +1
                        alas, this kind of work means he was without a bulletproof vest and a service weapon ... and the data about "it is enough for a specialist to have access" is nonsense ... because most of the shooters have never been registered.
                    2. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 20 September 2021 13: 17
                      +9
                      Well, and immediately the question is about the effectiveness of the mechanism of the medical commission, the quality of monitoring social activity. And to the very principles of the circulation of civilian weapons. What kind of weapon is allowed, to whom, on what grounds.

                      I am afraid that such individuals cannot be practically tracked at all. He's really too sane ...
                      1. Ryazan87
                        Ryazan87 20 September 2021 13: 22
                        +3
                        More often, a certain "snoop" is drawn in social networks or some resources. Such subjects rarely do their job completely "silently". But this work is hard, painstaking and without guarantees of success. As well as crime prevention in principle.
                      2. fif21
                        fif21 20 September 2021 17: 24
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I am afraid that such individuals cannot be practically tracked at all.

                        Agree. Let's remember the history of Ancient Rome. The girls began to commit suicide. It was decided to hang the Roman women who had committed suicide in the square naked. Suicides have stopped. Maybe, by analogy, hang such people in the square, with their own genitals in their mouths? hi
                      3. alch3mist
                        alch3mist 20 September 2021 17: 34
                        -5
                        Maybe, by analogy, hang such people in the square, with their own genitals in their mouths?

                        Ideally it would be nice. But, let's be realistic: for one discussion, such a liber-rat with bright faces will be torn apart.
                        At least the parents who raised the monster should be pinned to a pillory: to hang portraits, to show them on TV. So no, everything is on the contrary, it seems that they will not even be allowed to name who, where they work. Such are the human rights for criminals and their accomplices, and for the victims - do not care.
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 20 September 2021 20: 47
                        +3
                        Colleagues, really read what he posted on the social network, at least on YaPlakal. He is absolutely sane. He knows how to get around everything. This is not a schizophrenic with imaginary voices. This is a fully formed monster. negative
                        Only observation of behavior can calculate such a monster - one of two main methods of psychology. (the second way is experiment).
                        That is, the question is not for the commission ... It is impossible to determine everything with tests. And there are a lot of people. Have you retaken your license for the last couple of years? Standard questions, feelings ... All are good!
                        A question to those who were next to him ... who probably saw certain oddities, and did not think about anything. hi It can be assumed that he did not give out alarm bells - but then he must be an anti-genius, like the character of Sir Anthony Hopkins. request Which is unlikely. stop It seems that the inadequacy, at least sometimes, but slipped .... And nobody gave a damn about that. And how this monster was formed in someone's family is also interesting.
                    3. Overlock
                      Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 53
                      +3
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      Well, immediately a question to the effectiveness of the mechanism of the medical commission,

                      Question into the void! - As long as there is money of no efficiency
                  2. polar fox
                    polar fox 20 September 2021 17: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    He is even too sane, judging by the syllable.

                    even suspiciously such a presentation of thoughts in an 18 year old ... too smooth. or he did not write.
                2. Murmur 55
                  Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 48
                  0
                  How many cases of mass shootings in the United States in educational institutions and public places, and look how many of these thugs were killed by ordinary citizens, with a house or an apartment?
                  1. Ryazan87
                    Ryazan87 20 September 2021 13: 25
                    +4
                    Check out the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 and The Gun-Free School Zones Act Of 1995 if you are interested in US educational institutions. Get an answer to your question, why not ordinary citizens.
                3. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 20 September 2021 13: 24
                  +15
                  Quote: Ryazanets87
                  In the United States, the situation with firearms varies greatly from state to state. There are dozens of cases when it helps (for example, when trying to attack a house, shops, etc.).
                  You don't need to give out anything to anyone. A person must acquire self-defense means independently, such as, for example, a vehicle.

                  In the United States, if you got up to go to the toilet at night and saw a stranger at your house, then you shoot at him and call the cops, in the end everything is in order, whoever he is to blame. Running away from the muck with a knife that has already wounded you, you kill him at the turn with something - excess of self-defense and prison. Or when a girl is raped by a migrant taxi driver and she reaches something difficult and kills him - the same story and there are a million such cases. In our country, out of self-defense, only an attempt to escape is not punished. In addition to those who are finished with voices in their heads, there are just rams that, knocking over a glass, will shoot opponents and there are a great many, if from St. Petersburg you look at the Duma in the evening, not a day without a massive brawl
                  1. VORON538
                    VORON538 20 September 2021 14: 30
                    +8
                    Running away from the muck with a knife that has already wounded you, you kill him at the turn with something - excess of self-defense and prison. Or when a girl is raped by a migrant taxi driver and she reaches something difficult and kills him - the same story and there are a million such cases. In our country, out of self-defense, only an attempt to escape is not punished.
                    Unfortunately, everything is correct, and this is the imperfection of our legislation, which often takes the side of a real criminal, because, you see, they broke his arm (conditionally), but the fact that this was ... robbed, wanted to kill) - does not count. I did not have time, after all.
                  2. Split
                    Split 20 September 2021 19: 09
                    -1
                    Colleague, absolutely right ... I just owning the gas, then with a trauma, without applying to defeat, I was able to prove that you shouldn't rock the boat ... 5 times ... To understand ... in Dagestan in 2001 the score was 2: 001 (concussion , injury) .... but who has experience? At the age of 11, I killed a wolf, which escaped from the flags ... at 13 I shot 2 zinc from Makarov, not counting the rest, the assembly of which is disassembled - ... 4 and 5 seconds ... yes, I can with my eyes closed even now ... Have you watched the current standards right now? ... I want to laugh out loud ... for its victims
                    What I want to say ... I knew that I had a lethal weapon, well, not counting gas ... I used it 5 times ... I didn't fire like policemen in the USA ... I knew that a shot in the head would be fatal ... . an expert creminalist planned. It's important to apply here, actually saving someone's life and giving yours. I am for the short-barreled, maybe they will call me inadequate ... but if I see this ... I will get it and shoot it clearly in the head. In 2001 with SVDU I had no choice ... 45 minutes while waiting for boxes ... I fired more than 150 times repeat
                    1. for
                      for 20 September 2021 22: 28
                      +4
                      yes, with my eyes closed, I can even now.

                      I am disabled with one arm without such skills and I can kill you 100%. It won't help you. This will help in open combat, not on the street. Self-confidence is needed, but there is a limit to everything.
                      1. Split
                        Split 20 September 2021 22: 42
                        -4
                        It's not about who has how many hands. I killed 2 (confirmed, and then canceled, like there was no one there, yeah ... the sniper Mukhamet from the East and the machine gunner Serega were removed right away ... they didn't know who was driving where ...) skills were useful, the range was 350 -400 meters ... never firing from SVDU (from bear 1 only and never in battle) and saved 9 people, we were all injured (armor helped because of the range). In general, I am in a coma with a bunch of shrapnel (they ended up shooting with a mortar), I also saved the armor.
                        He used the barrel on the street, my ex-boyfriend was afraid to touch me even in the end, although he knew that I was without a barrel ... in the end they laughed at him, he was like "let's go out" ... yeah it will end ..........., so what's the point of leaving ... he had cops and I think he understood everything perfectly .. .. And he ... gave it himself ... what was the point already ... he was drinking for six months, but he saved his life and the child is now 2 years old (although he lost it then 10 years ago 5 years)
                  3. Petro_tut
                    Petro_tut 20 September 2021 20: 37
                    -4
                    , there are just rams that, having knocked over the glass, will shoot opponents and there are a great many

                    Natural selection has not been canceled, but ordinary citizens will be able to defend their rights and shoot, for example, "raider titushki" from management companies, and the crime will dramatically decrease - why pay the roof when you can buy Makarov one time?
                4. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 20 September 2021 13: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Ryazanets87
                  In the United States, the situation with firearms varies greatly from state to state.

                  The article is old, but it gives general concepts:
                5. Walking towards the light
                  Walking towards the light 20 September 2021 13: 30
                  -2
                  It's not about weapons. Something broke the psyche of this person. In a happy society, there will be no need to "mow" people with a gun.
                  1. Ryazan87
                    Ryazan87 20 September 2021 13: 48
                    +1
                    And the "happy society" is a fiction. Happiness is a purely individual and rather fragile category. As well as the psyche of a seemingly adult, stable person can go - so he found out, say, about the fact of adultery and hello.
                    1. Walking towards the light
                      Walking towards the light 20 September 2021 13: 56
                      +1
                      Adultery is hormones. Another. Here, an intact organism tortures hatred of the whole society. It is saturated with anger and hatred. It doesn't care who to shoot. This is some kind of transcendental hatred, even the instinct of self-preservation is fucked up. ((((He was poisoned most likely by a classmate for years. "Rogue" Such hatred does not grow in one day. No one is engaged in child and adolescent psychology. The position of a psychologist in schools is sinecure.
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                      2. Walking towards the light
                        Walking towards the light 20 September 2021 15: 05
                        +2
                        I don't know St. Maybe I'm old already. The goal must be given to people. A creative goal. How Pierre and Marie Curie shoveled tons of uranium ore to extract radium. interplanetary stations in Kaluga. Or how Yuri Gagarin flew into space, into the great unknown with the word - "Let's go." I don't know honestly. Something broke in people ..
                    2. alystan
                      alystan 20 September 2021 15: 19
                      +1
                      Somewhere I slipped information about his post on social networks, where he writes that everything is rotten ... It's strange to read it from an 18-year-old, but nevertheless, it seems to confirm the fiction about a "happy society", alas.
                      1. alch3mist
                        alch3mist 20 September 2021 17: 43
                        -1
                        Somewhere I slipped information about his post on social networks, where he writes that everything is rotten ... It's strange to read it from an 18-year-old, but nevertheless, it seems to confirm the fiction about a "happy society", alas.

                        If the Internet had existed 150 years ago, it would have been inundated with Narodnaya Volya's stories that everything is rotten. And then, too, they fiddled with filth, justifying all sorts of Zassulichs. Only real justice makes society stable.
                  2. VORON538
                    VORON538 20 September 2021 14: 33
                    +3
                    This "something" is not an excuse. It would be quite fair to give such dudes to the relatives of the victims "for a conversation" tete-a-tete. hi
                  3. alexey alexeyev_4
                    alexey alexeyev_4 20 September 2021 14: 41
                    +2
                    Remember Breivik. What was he missing?
                    1. alystan
                      alystan 20 September 2021 15: 25
                      0
                      Breivik is a completely frostbitten neo-Nazi, which he never hid and does not hide to this day. Europe is not a gu-gu on this matter. The Norwegian authorities have arranged for him conditions in prison for the fifth grade. He had everything and now he gets everything at his first request.
                      Exactly the same conditions someone "demanded" from Yanukovych with the support of the same West, and how did it backfire in Ukraine ?!
                  4. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 21 September 2021 08: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Walking towards the light
                    It's not about weapons. Something broke the psyche of this person. In a happy society, there will be no need to "mow" people with a gun.

                    There is no upbringing - the parents are divorced, the mother is forced to work from morning to night. Yes, even if they were not divorced, now I and my wife work from 10:00 to 21:00, 1,5 hours to the house. You have to pay the mortgage, there are no relatives in the city, when to bring up? There is no ideology - they used to tell me how to be in school, the teacher was respected and could bring down the bream if anything, the worst thing was a call from school to home, the school, in addition to the educational function, had an educational function. Now a teacher is some kind of boring dick from the mountain without a license, with only responsibilities.
                6. Flooding
                  Flooding 20 September 2021 14: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: Ryazanets87
                  The US has a very different situation with firearms in different states

                  and a very different picture of crime by state
                  which has little or no correlation with local firearms laws and regulations
                  1. Ryazan87
                    Ryazan87 20 September 2021 15: 43
                    +1
                    Of course, the picture is different. The states themselves are very different: it would be strange to equalize New Mexico and Vermont. The crime rate is simultaneously influenced by a host of factors, some of which are taboo in modern society (the ethnic-racial composition of the population, for example).
                    In addition, the very definition of "crime" is general in nature. The status of the right to self-defense with the use of firearms may affect the level of only certain categories of criminal offenses. Some can be influenced indirectly, but it is difficult to assess such influence in absolute terms, even hardly possible.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 20 September 2021 15: 47
                      -1
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      The states themselves are very different: it would be strange to equalize New Mexico and Vermont.

                      it's not about equalization, but about comparison
                      regular statistical sampling
                      which allows you to compare the effectiveness of different methods and approaches
                      Quote: Ryazanets87
                      In addition, the very definition of "crime" is general.

                      I was looking at data on so called violent crimes
              2. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 20 September 2021 13: 11
                -3
                Ask how Americans celebrated their Independence Day on July 4th.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 56
                  -3
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  Ask how Americans celebrated their Independence Day on July 4th.

                  Does the Voronezh bus impress you?
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 20 September 2021 13: 59
                    -1
                    The investigation did not recognize this as a terrorist attack.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 21 September 2021 10: 40
                      -1
                      Quote: tralflot1832
                      The investigation did not recognize this as a terrorist attack.

                      can our investigation investigate anything at all?
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              4. well
                well 20 September 2021 13: 40
                +6
                It helps if they break into the house. There is something to answer. True, this will not work for us. A man who, in his apartment, defended his life and the lives of his loved ones with a kitchen knife, ended up behind bars for exceeding the necessary defense.
                1. alystan
                  alystan 20 September 2021 15: 27
                  -4
                  In this moment, this young assassin is absolutely right - the whole system is rotten through and through.
                2. Andrey VOV
                  Andrey VOV 20 September 2021 16: 13
                  0
                  In the Tula region, they attacked the house of farmer 4 with a weapon, in my opinion someone was injured, and he killed them all ... an isolated case, probably, but he did not sit down
              5. Overlock
                Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 51
                -2
                Quote: Murmur 55
                In the US, the number of firearms on hand is simply huge and how does this help the victims ???

                Could you give statistics?
                1. Letun
                  Letun 20 September 2021 14: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Quote: Murmur 55
                  In the US, the number of firearms on hand is simply huge and how does this help the victims ???

                  Could you give statistics?

                  https://ru.abcdef.wiki/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
                  Yes please. This is only for mass shootings.
              6. Letun
                Letun 20 September 2021 14: 03
                +2
                Quote: Murmur 55
                Or are you suggesting that all students issue a short barrel ???

                You know, it's not funny, but that's what they suggest. fool
              7. for
                for 20 September 2021 22: 09
                0
                By the way.
                NEWPORT NEWS, VA (AP) - Police say two people were injured in a Virginia high school shooting.

                Newport News police said Monday that two victims at Heritage High School had been rushed to hospital with non-life-threatening gunshot wounds.

                Police say students are being evacuated to tennis courts where parents can meet them.

                The video from the scene shows parents talking on their mobile phones on the sidewalks.
                https://www.nbc12.com/2021/09/20/police-investigate-shooting-virginia-high-school/

                On September 1, unidentified assailants opened fire on the grounds of Mount Tabor High School in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Then one person suffered. This was the state's second shooting incident in a week. On August 30, a student at a Wilmington school was also wounded by a firearm. A 15-year-old teenager was charged with attempted murder.
            3. Barberry25
              Barberry25 20 September 2021 13: 01
              +1
              only now they find youngsters who are just about 18 years old are already running after the barrel to arrange firing ..
            4. ultra
              ultra 20 September 2021 14: 04
              -8
              Quote: Shurik70
              The simple truth is that the scumbag will find a weapon sooner or later.

              Exactly, it lies scattered around the streets, you just have to look. IMHO, you need a complete ban on the sale of any firearms.
            5. Hagen
              Hagen 20 September 2021 15: 37
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              Thugs were and will be. As are the madmen.

              Thugs are not born, they become. I think that in the near future the Investigative Committee will dig up information on him, he had a serious conflict with someone earlier that did not receive his resolution. And we have no one to 1. identify these conflicts at the initial stage; 2. "part on the sides" with the removal of the object of tension; 3. to prevent the conditions for the emergence of conflicts in children at the age of lack of critical thinking. We have one place for the concentration of children - a school. And it is necessary to introduce into it the function of controlling the adolescent environment, of course, with the appropriate staff of educational psychologists and with the authority to work both on school issues and family issues. I think so...
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 21 September 2021 10: 39
                0
                Quote: Hagen
                I think that in the near future the Investigative Committee will dig up information on him, he had a serious conflict with someone earlier that did not receive his permission

                Nifiga will not dig up. Have you dug a lot with the "Kerch arrow"?
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 21 September 2021 10: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Have you dug a lot with the "Kerch arrow"?

                  We have dug up practically everything that is necessary, only the conclusions have been made "budgetary". Actually, as well as with "Kazan" .... Every time in such cases we are faced with defects in family education and lack of information about the extracurricular activities of children of those ages in which the worldview is formed, the so-called. scale of values. And when the "little son" cannot come to his father, for various reasons, the border is well / badly located randomly, under the influence of not always favorable factors. In the 20s of the last century, in such cases, the main factor was F.E. Dzerzhinsky, representing the state will and view. Today the state is institutionally absent from this process. It, striving for quantity, forgot about quality.
        2. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 September 2021 12: 10
          -2
          Quote: Tatiana
          It is already known that as a result of the shooting of an 18-year-old student-malefactor of this university in a student dormitory, 5 people died

          More(((
          Local media, citing law enforcement officers, report that as a result of criminal actions killed at least 8 people.
        3. Model101
          Model101 20 September 2021 13: 18
          +1
          It is noteworthy that the shooting of students at the university took place the day after the voting days of the current elections in the Russian Federation.
          What was it then? [/ Quote]


          This is a world conspiracy Tatiana, the Masons and so on there ...
        4. T.A.V.
          T.A.V. 20 September 2021 13: 31
          +2
          And how do the elections fit together?
          1. alch3mist
            alch3mist 20 September 2021 17: 48
            -4
            And how do the elections fit together?

            Elementary Watson. The exalted unbalanced jerk had read / heard a lot of fakes about election fraud, and this triggered the final roof blowout.
        5. Overlock
          Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 50
          -1
          Quote: Tatiana
          the shooting of students at the university took place the day after the voting days of the current elections in the Russian Federation.
          What was it then?

          Don't look for a cat in a dark room, this can go to the point of absurdity
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 20 September 2021 12: 07
        -1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        They took him alive

        What's the point
        According to the latest data, the attacker died [b] [/ b] during transportation to the clinic.
      3. venik
        venik 20 September 2021 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        But the special services will still find out who is behind him. They took him alive.

        =======
        Have you read the article carefully? It is written there: "...died on the way to the hospital... "So that it will be necessary to find out without interrogating the accused .... I hope they will find out everything anyway!
        The dead guys just can't be returned ...
    2. Puzoter
      Puzoter 20 September 2021 11: 49
      +1
      Are there examples of mass murders in history from, for example, a revolver?
      1. figwam
        figwam 20 September 2021 12: 16
        +1
        They write that he was planning a murder with either a gunshot or a car
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 20 September 2021 12: 17
        +2
        Quote: puzoter
        Are there examples of mass murders in history from, for example, a revolver?

        what does "mass" mean?
        three sacrifices - is it a lot or a little? and four?
        It seems to me that under the article about the tragedy one should not ask such questions.
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      1. Puzoter
        Puzoter 20 September 2021 12: 03
        +14
        What does the election have to do with it? Also tell me that he protested against United Russia in such a way.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 20 September 2021 12: 10
          .
          Quote: puzoter
          What does the election have to do with it? Also tell me that he protested against United Russia in such a way.


          It seems to me that foreign special services took this teenager into circulation and at the right time gave the command to face. In the West, they are not happy with the results of the elections, they said even before the vote that they would not recognize them. This is all from anger and powerlessness. And there are a lot of extremists and psychos, sectarians. They can be armed and used at the right time. Where did this teenager get so many cartridges, weapons, someone contributed? In my opinion, there is a lot in common with the Crimean shooter and most likely supervised by the same foreign special services, as if not from Ukraine.
          1. Puzoter
            Puzoter 20 September 2021 12: 11
            +2
            It's too hard. He himself wrote in VK that he hates people from the first class, and this is not necessary to take into circulation.
            1. Murmur 55
              Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 22
              +3
              How did they not take him with such looks under the "cap"?
            2. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 20 September 2021 12: 23
              .
              Quote: puzoter
              It's too hard. He himself wrote in VK that he hates people from the first class, and this is not necessary to take into circulation.

              Nothing complicated. This is hello from the West.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 20 September 2021 14: 03
                +3
                crazy in Russia = hello from the west .. well, well .. we have this logic - all fools are Western agents ...
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 57
            +6
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            It seems to me that foreign special services took this teenager into circulation and at the right time gave the command to face.

            This is an overkill
        2. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 September 2021 12: 11
          +6
          Quote: puzoter
          What does the election have to do with it?

          You can also add the phase of the moon
        3. alystan
          alystan 20 September 2021 16: 00
          0
          And against all power - will such an interpretation suit you?
      2. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 20 September 2021 12: 14
        +4
        There is no need to pull on the owl Tatyana. What does the election have to do with it? There is a specific minor, there are employees of law enforcement agencies (either the older brother or the younger) who have not done well, there are doctors who have not identified mental abnormalities. And there are huge problems for hunters in the future, therefore, that the fools in power will win back mainly on them. And yes, as Alexander said above, some not very smart ask for a short-barreled. Now some gifted person will bleed that if the people had pistols, they WOULD shoot the criminal.
        1. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 26
          +3
          Yeah, the example of the United States, there is a sea of ​​trunks and if they kill such "shooters" then it is either special forces or patrol. A similar thing happened in Israel, if I am not mistaken, there a terrorist was killed by a soldier who had the right to wear it outside his official time. But not an ordinary passer-by.
        2. alystan
          alystan 20 September 2021 16: 04
          -5
          That he is a minor and there are no questions, maybe he is a little crazy - why not?
          You just read about his attitude to the current system and life in general, I think he already had "serious" questions for life.
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 20 September 2021 18: 13
            +3
            I'm just amazed. They have already begun to justify the murderer. What the hell is the attitude to the system !!!!!! This is the KILLER who KILLED EIGHT PEOPLE ALREADY!
            1. Hanurik
              Hanurik 21 September 2021 06: 53
              -1
              Capitalism killed them.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 21 September 2021 10: 38
                +1
                Quote: Hanurik
                Capitalism killed them.

                Oddly enough, but you are right! A completely new type of personality was formed, which did not exist in the USSR. Then the slogan was "Man is man's friend, comrade and brother." Now - the wolf
                1. Hanurik
                  Hanurik 21 September 2021 12: 03
                  +1
                  All people are competitors under capitalism. Why love them? I wrote about the previous shooter and will write now - such outbreaks of violence will happen more and more often. These old men will believe in the invisible hand of the market until their death, and young people will go crazy with the prospects of a future life.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 21 September 2021 12: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: Hanurik
                    These old men will believe in the invisible hand of the market until their death,

                    But figs to you - just "old men" and warned our people that you will wash yourself with bloody tears when you come to capitalism. But the then "youth" did not believe in it, and now we are reaping the foolishness of those who believed in the delights of capitalism and in full shelves of sausage. Sobering up is a pity that comes already at the funeral of our future, what were these young students from Kerch, Kazan, Perm.
                    Quote: Hanurik
                    I wrote about the previous shooter and will write now - such outbreaks of violence will happen more and more often.

                    I completely agree with this, which is why I strongly advocate restricting the purchase of any firearms, even traumatic ones, and even more so for immature citizens of the country. But those who come across with unregistered weapons should simply sit for very long periods, such as for drug trafficking.
    4. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 20 September 2021 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia ...
      If every other person had a barrel, would 8 people have shot it?
      In Finland, a short barrel can be bought from the age of 16 - and how often do you hear from this country about mass executions?
      If a scumbag wanted to make a massacre, then the ban on the acquisition of weapons cannot stop him.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 20 September 2021 12: 19
        +7
        Quote: Bad_gr
        If every other person had a barrel, would 8 people have shot it?

        half of the students with pistols, and the teaching staff with carbines?
        is this your recipe?
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 September 2021 12: 25
          +6
          Quote: Flood
          half of the students with pistols, and the teaching staff with carbines?

          And the rector with a machine gun
          1. Puzoter
            Puzoter 20 September 2021 13: 41
            +4


            If it weren't so sad, it would be funny ...
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 20 September 2021 14: 53
              -1
              Quote: puzoter
              If it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

              Totally agree
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 20 September 2021 12: 36
          -1
          Quote: Flood
          is this your recipe?

          No, not mine. But when only one has a weapon, the result is always predictable, and it is not in favor of the unarmed.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 20 September 2021 12: 41
            +6
            Quote: Bad_gr
            But when only one has a weapon, the result is always predictable, and it is not in favor of the unarmed.

            does a showdown between armed men exclude victims?
            this means that the question must be posed in a different plane.
            what needs to be done so that bloodthirsty inadequacies do not take up a tool in society?
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 20 September 2021 13: 27
            -2
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Quote: Flood
            is this your recipe?

            No, not mine. But when only one has a weapon, the result is always predictable, and it is not in favor of the unarmed.

            When everyone is armed, the result is also predictable and not in anyone's favor.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 20 September 2021 14: 31
              -3
              Quote: Vol4ara
              When everyone is armed, the result is also predictable and not in anyone's favor.

              According to the same Americans who worked in Africa, in places where everyone has a Kalashnikov assault rifle, there is an order of magnitude less chance of getting stray bullets in this environment than in Chicago. When everyone is armed, just like that, they will grab a weapon, there are no volunteers.
              If there is no way to protect the unarmed from the armed, then the opportunity must be given to defend oneself.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 20 September 2021 14: 34
                +1
                Quote: Bad_gr
                Quote: Vol4ara
                When everyone is armed, the result is also predictable and not in anyone's favor.

                According to the same Americans who worked in Africa, in places where everyone has a Kalashnikov assault rifle, there is an order of magnitude less chance of getting stray bullets in this environment than in Chicago. When everyone is armed, just like that, they will grab a weapon, there are no volunteers.

                There is a free sale of weapons in Chicago, and why is there shooting hmm
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 20 September 2021 14: 46
                  -1
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  There is a free sale of weapons in Chicago, and why is there shooting hmm

                  New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington are home to only five percent of the country's population, and 15% of all murders are committed. It is these cities that have the most brutal gun laws.

                  And at the same time:
                  The City of Kennea-Saw, Georgia, has mandated heads of households to keep at least one firearm. During the 16 years of this act, there have been three murders in the city: two with a knife (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1987).
        3. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 20 September 2021 21: 17
          -2
          Quote: Flood
          half of the students with pistols, and the teaching staff with carbines?
          is this your recipe?
          You are now engaged in demagoguery. Offer your version of protecting the student when an armed thug came to the audience and began to shoot the unarmed.
      2. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 20 September 2021 12: 27
        -4
        If he bought a weapon legally, it means that by tightening the rules, such cases can be reduced. It's too easy for young people who are frostbitten to legally buy and then use serious firearms - don't you think?
      3. Murmur 55
        Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 27
        +3
        We are not Finland or Switzerland. We have different realities.
      4. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 20 September 2021 12: 28
        +4
        Have you been Vladimir in Finland? Have you personally dealt with the Finns at the everyday level? Before giving an example, you need to think, otherwise it sounds like blue never fight in Saudi Arabia.
    5. ximkim
      ximkim 20 September 2021 12: 12
      +3
      It's not about weapons, it's about people.
      On a hike, this student was let go by his parents.
    6. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 12: 14
      +1
      How can we protect our children from these murderers?
      The state could not do this ... to throw itself at an armed bandit with your chest?
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 20 September 2021 13: 32
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        How can we protect our children from these murderers?
        The state could not do this ... to throw itself at an armed bandit with your chest?

        Ha - distribute guns to everyone when everyone has a gun up to their guns, your kids are safe. You can immediately automatic, the bandit will think 10 times when he knows that everything around him with machine guns. And allow the entrance to the drinking establishments with weapons, so that the drunk bandit knows for sure that it is not worth showing off
    7. ccsr
      ccsr 20 September 2021 13: 22
      -2
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia ...

      Why hide their names - for example, a certain Timokhin posted an article on VO, in which he stubbornly proves that we are obliged to simplify the sale of hunting rifles, allegedly for the survival of the plant:
      And importers will benefit a lot from these events. Wasn't that what it was all about?
      And the psychopath with a gun just turned out to be "in place" for certain people? Or is it a kind of "undermining" under V. Putin? After all, he will have to go to Vyatskiye Polyany and calm the riot at the arms factory, not the deputies. Or is it both?

      https://topwar.ru/184509-proschaj-oruzhie-gosduma-ubila-grazhdanskij-oruzhejnyj-rynok.html
      And various "experts" assent to him, it seems, out of good intentions, although I think they do not do it because of their great intelligence:
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      If they could, then they would forbid slingshots. From helplessness and fear, this law.

      .....
      Quote: Tank Hard
      But I'm wondering why you can join the army and the war, respectively, from the age of 18, but you can't buy a gun? Explain?

      .....
      Quote: Snail N9
      The police and security lobby has long wanted to push through a complete ban on any weapon - an unarmed people, so convenient for suppression ...

      .
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In general, I will still support Timokhin ... I consider the tightening of laws against ordinary citizens of our country to be the sabotage of the State Duma against our people.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 13: 49
        +1
        I remained unconvinced ... the shot guard had no weapon and was defenseless against the murderer ... what can I say about ordinary citizens who are not able to fight back the scumbag.
        And your reasoning about Timokhin is somewhat cynical ... you cannot protect citizens from attacks and forbid them even the very opportunity to defend themselves from murderers. amThe preconditioned self-defense law works against those who defend themselves.
        A madman will break in to you, and while you call the police he will kill you several times ... what can you suggest more intelligently?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 20 September 2021 17: 33
          -5
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          I remained unconvinced ... the shot guard had no weapon and was defenseless against the killer ...

          It is a pity that this tragedy did not affect you - perhaps they would think differently about why anyone can buy a pump-action shotgun at the age of 18.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And your reasoning about Timokhin is somewhat cynical ... you cannot protect citizens from attacks and forbid them even the very opportunity to defend themselves from murderers.

          There is no one cynicism - I know perfectly well what is hidden behind his "concern", I know too well such "truth-fighters".
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          A madman will break in to you, and while you call the police he will kill you several times ... what can you suggest more intelligently?

          The insane should not have a pump-action shotgun - that's what I know for sure. And your desire to look advanced in matters of weapons among citizens just smacks of cynicism - you personally hope that no one will climb into your house if you have a gun, although this is an illusion.

          Quote: Overlock
          With your views, it is necessary to sell kitchen knives according to your passport, and forbid forks - it is very possible to kill with both objects.

          Tell this to the parents of the students killed in Perm - they will applaud you ...
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 22: 15
            -1
            I have no desire to appear advanced in matters of weapons ... do not attribute your fantasies to me.
            I have only one desire to stop attacks on citizens ... and the state cannot provide this yet.
            You are apparently not familiar with the criminal chronicle ... one not a normal passer-by seemed like a witch ... pulling out a hammer, he beat him to death.
            Another case, two retirees were shot while fishing, the killer liked their foreign car ... after taking a ride on it, he got stuck in the mud and threw it ... and so on.
            Tell this to future victims ... you cannot stop attacks on civilians and your knowledge of the fighters is not worth a penny.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 20 September 2021 14: 01
        -4
        Quote: ccsr
        a certain Timokhin posted an article on VO, in which he stubbornly proves that we are obliged to simplify the sale of hunting rifles, allegedly for the survival of the plant

        There is nothing shameful, the plant will survive and people will take up self-defense. With your views, it is necessary to sell kitchen knives according to your passport, and forbid forks - it is very possible to kill with both objects. Leave spoons and teaspoons for everyone, for everyone's safety.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 14: 12
          -3
          You can also squeeze out your eyes with a spoon, any solid object can be a weapon of defeat ... you can't foresee everything in life.
          Therefore, you should not rush to extremes either.
    8. Overlock
      Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 49
      -3
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia.

      And if, in that case, one of the victims had him and retaliatory shooting to kill? Maybe not 8, but less died? Legalize or not legalize, but whoever wants, then shoots, explodes. Maybe everyone has a bodyguard?
    9. Letun
      Letun 20 September 2021 13: 59
      0
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia ...

      Well, now the cowboys will explain to you that if all the students had revolvers, they would immediately neutralize this shooter.
      PS and, they've already explained. Comment above ...
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 14: 15
        -4
        The students did not have any revolvers ... nothing for protection ... in the end there were 8 corpses.
        How would you defend yourself against an armed bandit with nothing at hand?
        All your reasoning is simply disgusting against the background of the death of these guys.
        1. Letun
          Letun 20 September 2021 14: 27
          +4
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          All your reasoning is simply disgusting against the background of the death of these guys.

          It is disgusting that you use the death of these guys as a kind of instrument of your inventions. Thanks to such "cowboys" as you, these deaths can increase many times.
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 14: 33
            -2
            You yourself concoct by hanging labels on people, thanks to such as you, the murders continue.
            For you, the death of students is a statistic, but for me it is a tragedy ... 8 people have been interrupted ... they will no longer be able to have their families, their children, and their children their children ... this is scary ... this is emptiness, and with there is nothing that can be done or corrected.
            1. Letun
              Letun 20 September 2021 16: 53
              +1
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              You yourself concoct by hanging labels on people, thanks to such as you, the murders continue.

              You need to see a specialized specialist.
              And these are the people who advocate the legalization of the short-barreled ...
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 22: 23
                -2
                You need to show yourself to a psychiatrist, they killed 8 people in broad daylight, openly, insolently, and you did not say a word how to stop this chaos in the future, but immediately make Timokhin guilty, who did not violate a single law.
                You can not protect law-abiding citizens from attacks and tell me frankly ... why bother and hide behind Timokhin.
                For your information, I don't have a firearm and I'm not going to buy it ... and I am a supporter of legal self-defense, and this law, to put it mildly, gives a criminal more chances than me for survival.
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 20 September 2021 17: 00
        0
        Well now you

        Почему нет?
        The logic is interesting, if they can't, then they don't need ... first aid kits are not needed, because ordinary people may not provide first aid, they will not be able to extinguish a fire - fire extinguishers and other set from a fire shield are not needed.
        Nobody gives a guarantee request
    10. RPG_
      RPG_ 20 September 2021 16: 40
      -3
      Precisely so that any guard would have the opportunity to rebuff such arrows. You can't do much with a rubber baton or a shocker against a pump-action shotgun.
    11. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 20 September 2021 21: 38
      +1
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      Sad news .. My condolences to my family! This pain will not go away ... and someone proposes to legalize a short-barreled firearm in Russia ...

      Not all solutions can be simple. Regarding the legalization of the "fireball short barrel", it is necessary to prepare a legislative base: amendments to the criminal legislation defining responsibility for actions related to self-defense; creation of training and shooting centers; amendments to the RF Federal Law "On Weapons".
      If the sale of firearms to the population is prohibited, even the sale of smooth-bore weapons to persons under 30 years of age, there will be illegal arms trafficking. As practice shows, the detection, suppression and disclosure of crimes related to illegal arms trafficking, a person who has the goal of acquiring weapons, incl. in an illegal way, even a person under 20 years old, it is not difficult to find such a "seller", the quality of such weapons depends only on the financial capabilities of the "buyer".
      Among the owners of illegally acquired weapons, there are not always persons who have criminal purposes of acquisition, but such a person who has become a participant in a transaction to acquire illegal weapons, a priori realizes the illegality of his actions (commits a crime), he crossed the first psychological barrier in violation of the law, therefore, in the issue of using such weapons, special internal psychological obstacles will not experience.
  2. Grandfather
    Grandfather 20 September 2021 11: 39
    +4
    tracing paper from the usa ...
    1. Puzoter
      Puzoter 20 September 2021 12: 06
      +1
      So we will nod at the United States, instead of clearing our Augean stables.
    2. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 September 2021 12: 12
      -2
      Quote: Dead Day
      tracing paper from the usa ...

      Yes, all the nasty stuff from there rushing
  3. Andobor
    Andobor 20 September 2021 11: 40
    0
    The attacker died on the way to the hospital.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 20 September 2021 11: 47
      -1
      Where does infa come from?
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 20 September 2021 11: 51
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Where does infa come from?

        https://news.mail.ru/incident/48004704/?frommail=1
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 20 September 2021 11: 59
          +2
          They write that the shooter is alive. Pumped out.



          Perm, September 20. The unknown person who started the shooting in the building of the Perm State University (PGNIU) was not eliminated. It was pumped out.

          Currently, the gunman is in serious condition, other details are still being established, according to a law enforcement source for FAN.

          The attacker entered the facility at about 11:00 local time. The shooter opened fire from a traumatic rifle. Students locked themselves in the premises of the university. From the actions of the attacker, five people were killed, six more were injured. On the fact of the incident, a criminal case was initiated under the article on the murder of two or more persons.

          https://riafan.ru/region/perm/1524071-ustroivshii-strelbu-v-permskom-vuze-ostalsya-v-zhivyh
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 20 September 2021 21: 34
      +1
      This bastard is alive. We made an aperation, tomorrow they will transfer from the intensive care unit to therapy. Guys The traffic cops are just great !!!!! The crew worked nearby, the witnesses told them, and they went to check on their own initiative.
  4. Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 20 September 2021 11: 40
    0
    It never happened, and here it is again.
    The hard question is whether to allow personal weapons in Russia?
    There are many pros and cons.
    Condolences to relatives.
    There is no information about the perpetrator yet.
    1. Split
      Split 20 September 2021 11: 56
      -2
      Condolences to the family

      recourse mutually, colleague
      Although another reason for hysteria about personal weapons. Now, if in such a situation I had at least my Izh-78-9tm with akb magnums - I would take it out and shoot, immediately in the head (there was 120J of energy, more than PSM) You either shoot yourself or die ... several times, even though you are doing a warning, but even the drug near the head from 5 meters sobered right away ... and not only him. The question is, what do you apply right away ...
      But I was not there, secondly, right now, there are so many problems to get (or rather, to renew the license, it was 20 years old), thirdly, it would be, in fact, a sheep that, having shot, will definitely fall under a day about exceeding self-defense ... Maybe the problem is not in the weapon , and in people? The family, how to say, is not without its black sheep. The fact that they put him - they did the right thing and I hope he has no children ... there is no need to produce such genetics
      ZY I had to shoot and not only in 2001 (Dagestan) ... it was enough for a lifetime. But in this situation, I would have shot right away
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 20 September 2021 17: 16
        0
        Split, these cons on a drum for me.
        There are so many "colleagues" here who minus everyone who ever put a minus to them or disagree with them on some occasion.
        I myself think that everyone should have their own opinion and I rarely put a minus.
        I'm sure I'll get a minus for this comment, maybe not one.
        Have a nice day .
        1. Split
          Split 20 September 2021 18: 19
          -2
          Yes, me too, I know about colleagues, but I was not one of them, I did not write with this, at least 50% were noted. And good to you, I unsubscribed in a personal
    2. faiver
      faiver 20 September 2021 11: 59
      +2
      Timur Bekmansurov, 18 years old
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 30
          -1
          We've been in Chechnya, if I'm not mistaken, bring in the responsibility of relatives following the example of Israel, so such a crisis began that we immediately turned to the old "path" and you generally offer the IMPOSSIBLE.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 20 September 2021 13: 12
            +1
            I suggest the most effective method. Proven over the years, by regimes and countries with completely different political, religious and state structures .. Such monsters will not have an awareness of the inevitable punishment for his entire family - such creatures will breed and be proud of what they have done ..
            1. Sentinel-vs
              Sentinel-vs 20 September 2021 13: 31
              +1
              Duck you read his "farewell letter". He didn't give a damn about his own life and about the life of his kind. I wanted to live the brightest day of my life and die. At least in something broken off! Now it will go out in a slammer of the high security until the end of days.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 20 September 2021 12: 43
          .
          Quote: Dikson
          Another Churbanbek .. Tatar or some other horseman, right? Well done .. a fighter against the regime .. yeah .. They constantly scratch their "super coolness" to show .. like "you are all sheep, and I am a shepherd." small to large, including women and children .. And the next horseman will not appear for a long time .. At least minus ..


          Incitement of interethnic hatred is unacceptable. Where does the site administration look?
        3. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 20 September 2021 13: 06
          +10
          Quote: Dikson
          Another Churbanbek .. Tatar or some other horseman, right? Well done .. what a fighter with the regime .. yeah .. They scratch their "super coolness" constantly show

          As long as the halo of coolness and pomposity does not fly off these shooters, these cases will take place. And this will continue regardless of the possibility or impossibility of acquiring a firearm. A crossbow, ax, and knife are also great.
          My opinion is that from an early age it is necessary to drive the association "school shooter - a person in need of psychological help, not an adult child, full of hmm and a degenerate" into immature, half-child brains (or whatever they have instead of brains) from an early age. You can also label a scotch and coprophile through the media. In this case, it will be a lie for salvation. School and other shooters must be (become) despised by the pack. If such an association takes hold in the youth environment, it is possible that they will begin to strive for the opposite.
        4. Puzoter
          Puzoter 20 September 2021 14: 01
          -2
          What does nationality have to do with it? The family has its black sheep - by the way, a Russian proverb. So it is in vain that you sow interethnic strife here.
          1. Humpty
            Humpty 20 September 2021 18: 07
            0
            Quote: puzoter
            What does nationality have to do with it? The family has its black sheep - by the way, a Russian proverb. So it is in vain that you sow interethnic strife here.

            Have you ever heard of this happening in Chinese educational institutions? But there is a problem. Representatives of the nationality, which distinguished itself in various provinces of China by attacks on the street with a knife, are weaned off with a set of preventive measures. From compulsory education to the introduction of additional family members. There are other measures applied, but I will not say anything.
        5. Overlock
          Overlock 20 September 2021 14: 04
          +1
          Quote: Dikson
          Another Churbanbek .. Tatar or some other horseman, right?

          Quote: Dikson
          At least minus ..

          No, everything is more complicated - article 282 of the Criminal Code:
          incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of human dignity (actions aimed at inciting hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of the dignity of a person or a group of persons by signs gender, race, nationality, language, origin, attitude to religion, as well as belonging to any social group, committed publicly or using the media).
          punishment in the form of a fine in the amount of three hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or salary or any other income of the convicted person for a period of two to three years, or compulsory labor for a term of one to four years, with deprivation of the right to hold certain positions or practice certain activities for up to three years, or imprisonment for a period of two to five years.
          1. alch3mist
            alch3mist 20 September 2021 17: 59
            -1
            No, everything is more complicated - article 282 of the Criminal Code:
            incitement to hatred or enmity

            That is, it is not even possible to state statistical data. If you don't like the statistics - ah-ah-ah !, incitement to hatred. Have you already snitched?
            Hello scoop! There it was impossible even to stutter about the existence of prostitution and organized crime, because there was no "social base" for this.
        6. alystan
          alystan 20 September 2021 18: 17
          -2
          And the one who shot the woman from childhood, if not a blockhead, then who?
          Here are people like you in Kaschenka urgently.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 20 September 2021 12: 31
      +4
      Too often it is "... again". Too much. And children are dying. Those who live on. Build, give birth, educate ...
      Rest the souls of the innocent murdered, and this ku will burn in hell!
  5. wandlitz
    wandlitz 20 September 2021 11: 41
    +4
    A tragedy that can be characterized by the hackneyed phrase "American way of life." A lot of similar examples come to us from the Northern United States ...
  6. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 11: 41
    0
    https://t.me/bazabazon/8173 Тимур Бекмансуров, убит при задержании. В предсмертных переписках жаловался, что "все прогнило".
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 20 September 2021 12: 21
      .
      Well, it is clear where the wind is blowing. From the West. They sleep and see how we have a storm to arrange. And here is such an occasion. The "fighter for freedom", allegedly brought by the regime, went to extreme measures. It is clear that the terrorist attack will be discussed and thus "absolutely accidentally "at the most opportune moment of the counting of votes after the elections, the topic is thrown into the fact that everything is supposedly rotten. After all, a terrorist wrote about it in the social network. Thrown in by the West, as it were, the reason for the terrorist's dissatisfaction. Onizhedeti. How would the children be brought to this. Everything is clear. This is the work of the West. An attempt to shake up the situation in our country following the example of Syria.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 12: 29
        -2
        Well, it's clear where the wind is blowing from. From the West. They sleep there and see how to make a storm here.
        In the West
        1. They know that one stupid one with a barrel will not be satisfied with any buchi.
        2. Not so much interested in Russian affairs. Even the special groups of stsykuns in the entrances have ceased to be sent. Why, when all is through? Gas goes, oil goes, timber goes west, metal goes again. All at a reasonable price. The profits also go to banks in the west. Remains hemp, ore heaps and pennies of workers' salaries. Regardless of the election results. And what else is there?
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 20 September 2021 12: 37
          -7
          They are not so much interested in Russian affairs.


          Yeah, they are not so much interested in Russian affairs, so the European Parliament issued a resolution before the Duma elections.
          .The Foreign Affairs Committee of the European Parliament approved the text of the report on the strategy of relations with Russia. This follows from the statement on the committee's website. It also refers to the appeal of the committee's deputies to the EU institutions and member states to consider the possibility of non-recognition of the results of the elections to the State Duma, which will be held on September 17-19, if they are held in violation of democratic principles and international law, writes RBC.
          "The representatives of the [Foreign Affairs Committee] came to the conclusion that the European Union should be ready to refrain from recognizing the Russian parliament if it is considered that the parliamentary elections of 2021 were held in violation of democratic principles and international norms," ​​the the statement of the deputies.

          In addition, lawmakers have advocated reducing dependence on Russia for energy - at least for as long as Vladimir Putin remains the country's leader. "The European" green deal "and the use of new types of resources will play a key role in this context," - follows from the statement of the members of the committee on foreign affairs. Energy accounts for about 60% of all Russian exports to the EU.

          The document was prepared by the MEP from Lithuania Andrius Kubilius. It was approved by 56 committee members, nine voted against, five abstained. Now the report will be put to a vote at the plenary session of the entire European Parliament, RIA Novosti writes.

          The report emphasizes that the European Parliament distinguishes between the Russian people and the regime of President Vladimir Putin, which has been described as "a stagnant authoritarian kleptocracy led by a president-for-life surrounded by oligarchs."

          The document says that the European Union should be ready to refuse to recognize the Russian State Duma if the parliamentary elections in September 2021 are considered held in violation of the principles of democracy and international law. Also, the EU should weaken its dependence on Russian oil, gas and other raw materials and identify "dirty money flows" from the Russian Federation.

          MEPs called on the EU to toughen up the fight against "dirty money" from Russia.

          https://www.rline.tv/news/2021-07-16-v-evroparlamente-nazvali-vlast-v-rossii-zastoynoy-avtoritarnoy-kleptokratiey-vo-glave-s-pozhiznennym/
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 12: 40
            +1
            The European Parliament issued a resolution before the Duma elections.
            This is a club of political marginalized people cut off from reality. And then, even the European Parliament would not send a suicide bomber to the Penza university. Not for moral reasons, just too small.
            the regime of the country's President Vladimir Putin, which is called "a stagnant authoritarian kleptocracy led by a president-for-life surrounded by oligarchs."
            It's never rude and politically incorrect, but ...
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 20 September 2021 12: 47
              -9
              This is what the special services of the West are for. This is their job. They are trying to sow discord in the country, both political and interethnic and anything else just to undermine the situation from the inside and try to do something in their own interests against this background. Remember Belarus a year ago. Protests were controlled from Poland. But in order for the protests to be undermined situation, you need a conflict.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 12: 55
                -1
                So what will one armed thug in a provincial educational institution do?
                They are trying to sow discord in the country, both political and ethnic and whatever else
                Need to rally the ranks good yes
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 20 September 2021 12: 55
      0
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      In his deathbed correspondence, he complained that "everything is rotten."

      Everything, not everything, but his brain is definitely rotten. With the upbringing of young people - a disaster. They are trying to stand out and gain cheap popularity. Including such creepy methods. Recently, a tiktoker woman jumped off the roof because she did not complete some kind of "challenge". Well, at least she didn't take anyone with her ...
      But what can I say if some juvenile imbeciles began to praise the "Kazan shooter"?
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 20 September 2021 13: 15
        +1
        Quote: Hyperion
        But what can I say if some juvenile imbeciles began to praise the "Kazan shooter"?

        Well, even you can see it and can read it on the net. And the structures that should do this simply do not. Now we need to take these imbeciles "on a pencil" and show them a big fig when they come to the medical board. You look at least such a rough screening will work, at least one or two fewer thugs will get access to weapons.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 20 September 2021 13: 31
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          Now we need to take these imbeciles "on a pencil" and show them a big fig when they come to the medical board. You look at least such a rough screening will work

          Who will and will carry out such screenings? I watched videos on YouTube, where one guy identifies delays in stores. So 90% of the police and national guards who come to the call do not know the elementary laws that they, in theory, are called upon to protect and monitor their implementation. It looks funny, but at the same time it is scary.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 20 September 2021 13: 35
            0
            Quote: Hyperion
            So 90% of the police and national guards who come to the call do not know the elementary laws that they, in theory, are called upon to protect and monitor their implementation.

            And that's none of their business. This is the business of Rospotrebnadzor and any defenders of consumer rights. And that's not the guy's business. You have to look at the expiration date yourself, but for him it's just such a hype.
            Who will and will carry out such screenings?
            So this is what you need to think about. And not about how the same hunters tighten the nuts.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 20 September 2021 13: 40
              -2
              Quote: NDR-791
              And that's none of their business.

              This is their business. They immediately forbid him to take pictures, and when asked what law they are referring to in this case, they give out something inarticulate. And even the law on the police is not carried out, forgetting to introduce himself properly.
              Quote: NDR-791
              This is the business of Rospotrebnadzor and any consumer rights defenders.

              Rospotrebnadzor, judging by the number of delays, smokes bamboo and counts bribes.
              Quote: NDR-791
              You have to look at the expiration date yourself, but for him it's just such a hype.

              Not without a hype, of course, but no one canceled the duties of sellers. And children and old people can not always figure it out or see the expiration dates.
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 20 September 2021 13: 44
                -1
                Quote: Hyperion
                This is their business. They immediately forbid him to take pictures, and when asked what law they are referring to in this case, they give out something inarticulate.

                This is definitely not the case of the guards, they can write a maximum report upon the fact of the call. What
                Quote: Hyperion
                Rospotrebnadzor, judging by the number of delays, smokes bamboo and counts bribes.

                This is definitely more believable.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 20 September 2021 13: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: NDR-791
                  This is definitely not the case of the guards.

                  As for filming and performing, that's their business. Elementary. Since they carry out public social activities.
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 20 September 2021 13: 21
      -3
      . In his deathbed correspondence he complained that "everything is rotten."

      I must have been a liberal. Liberals repeat about everything is rotten from morning till night for many years in a row. They work according to the manual so to speak.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 13: 23
        -2
        I must have been a liberal.
        Well at least his surname is not Jewish fool
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 20 September 2021 13: 29
          -3
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          I must have been a liberal.
          Well at least his surname is not Jewish fool

          Liberalism has no nationality, like communism or any other political movement. What does this have to do with it? request
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 13: 32
            0
            What does it have to do with it?
            Reminded the list of always guilty in everything since tsarist times - "livalutaners, tilichents and well... the Jews. "
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 20 September 2021 13: 35
              -5
              Do you still remember the tsarist times or what?
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 20 September 2021 13: 37
                -1
                Science-history remembers everything. And little has changed.
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 September 2021 11: 42
    +1
    There is a video of the shooting, at least the sounds. Do they sound like a pump-action shotgun? Condolences to the relatives of the victims. 19 injured. A speedy recovery.
    1. Cron
      Cron 20 September 2021 11: 46
      +3
      Do they sound like a pump action shotgun?

      Huglu Atrox Tactic Pump Action Shotgun 12x76. Turkey
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 20 September 2021 11: 47
      +2
      He took pictures of the carriage. And in the video, yes, he is storming the complex with a gun. The gun looks like a Turkish one. Which is stupidly cheaper than everyone else.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 20 September 2021 16: 12
        0
        I always thought that the Russian ones are cheaper.
  8. prior
    prior 20 September 2021 11: 44
    -5
    Somalia, you are my Somalia .......
    The rampant capitalism in Russia is evident.
    What they fought for ......
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 September 2021 12: 01
      +6
      Quote: prior
      Somalia, you are my Somalia .......
      The rampant capitalism in Russia is evident.
      What they fought for ......

      the fact of the matter is that they did not fight, but stupidly surrendered the Union, conducted it like suckers.
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 20 September 2021 12: 15
      +3
      Quote: prior
      Somalia, you are my Somalia .......
      The rampant capitalism in Russia is evident.
      What they fought for ......

      And here is Somalia.
      For people, the router is frozen.
      1. prior
        prior 20 September 2021 13: 18
        -2
        Despite the fact that in the capitalist system of coordinates, Russia is confidently turning into Somalia.
        And the freezing of the "router" is directly promoted by the education system, culture, television, economics, medicine and the entire deceitful system as a whole.
        In addition, our condolences are needed by the relatives of the deceased, as mustard plasters are needed by the deceased themselves.
        Cynical - yes, how cynical the condolences themselves.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 20 September 2021 13: 24
          0
          Quote: prior
          Despite the fact that in the capitalist system of coordinates, Russia is confidently turning into Somalia.
          And the freezing of the "router" is directly promoted by the education system, culture, television, economics, medicine and the entire deceitful system as a whole.
          In addition, our condolences are needed by the relatives of the deceased, as mustard plasters are needed by the deceased themselves.
          Cynical - yes, how cynical the condolences themselves.

          Well.
          This means that the matter is not built-in, but in the internal system.
          And she will not return the people who died ..
          1. prior
            prior 20 September 2021 13: 34
            +1
            Just as it is impossible in nature to abolish rain, floods, earthquakes, so madness cannot be excluded for a person.
            Excessive tightening of the nuts only leads to an overload of the thread. That blew in Kazan, today in Perm, tomorrow somewhere else, unfortunately.
            In Soviet times, there were children's rooms for the police, among other things, but now what?
            Detection and prevention, there is no other way. But they must be carried out, and not portrayed as activity. I saw my district police officer once in 30 years, and then by accident.
  9. Skay
    Skay 20 September 2021 11: 44
    +5
    Condolences to relatives.
    Tightening the gun law, as expected, did not help.
    Well, what kind of nut will they tighten now ?!
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 September 2021 11: 52
      +1
      The age limit for weapons must be increased. Adult men arrange shooting only on drunkenness, mostly.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 12: 01
        +2
        Not a fact ... Chopovets, 54, blew up the police department soberly ... that people with mental deviations often began to appear ... you can't call them normal.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 20 September 2021 12: 07
          +1
          I don’t remember the year, but before the Olympics, two hooters, one journalist, another employee of the security forces, set off explosions in Sochi, shot homeless people. We left for always, beyond the Arctic Circle. And now there’s silence. Only drunken showdowns.
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 20 September 2021 12: 14
        +1
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Adult men arrange shooting only on drunkenness, mostly.

        good As they say, otmaz of the year. laughing laughing laughing And since no one drinks here ... Nobody at all ...
        And never ... yes fellow wassat
      3. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 20 September 2021 12: 30
        -2
        Better professional qualification. People of certain professions, where they are regularly checked for adequacy.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 20 September 2021 16: 13
      0
      He bought it before tightening like ...
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 20 September 2021 11: 44
    +13
    How much can you play in philanthropy and other human rights, if we are talking about nine dead?
    When will they destroy such wickedness!
    And do not care what prompted him to commit a crime, unhappy love, mental illness or addiction to computer games!
    Explain this to the parents of the dead children, what should they do now? Another ghoul has ruined the lives of both children and their parents!
  11. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 11: 46
    -2
    It seems like he had a Saiga.
    And so everything was like a blueprint repeated with a recent case ... however, the pattern.
    My condolences to the victims and relatives.
    I hope the shooter will not be announced as another madman, but will really be punished in a significant way if he lives.
    In addition, there are fears that the followers of this Columbine may continue to hunt for people.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 September 2021 11: 55
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It seems like he had a Saiga.

      They say. armed with a smooth 12 gauge Huglu shotgun.
  12. Puzoter
    Puzoter 20 September 2021 11: 47
    +2
    Someone else will continue to cry that pumps were banned for newcomers because "the authorities are afraid of the armed people"?
    1. Skay
      Skay 20 September 2021 11: 51
      +5
      The problem is that pumps were banned for beginners, but this body still got the pump.
      1. Puzoter
        Puzoter 20 September 2021 11: 51
        +2
        The law has not yet entered into force, unfortunately
      2. faiver
        faiver 20 September 2021 12: 07
        +6
        Basically, pump or not? From a double-barreled gun, too, with the skill, you can shoot well ...
        1. Puzoter
          Puzoter 20 September 2021 12: 14
          -1
          However, with a double-barreled gun, mass executions do not suit.
          1. faiver
            faiver 20 September 2021 12: 15
            0
            not Feng Shui, not ponto ...
          2. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 20 September 2021 12: 32
            +3
            The patient considered this too. The second option is to hit the crowd with a car. Also a little pleasant.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 September 2021 11: 47
    +3
    Again this horror! And nothing can be done about it. You can't look into your head, and it is still impossible to catch inadequate posts on the network ...
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 20 September 2021 11: 49
    -1
    Oh wound, oh SLEEP security.
    Shaw for bullshit?
    It is clear that the idiots are divorced ... they are!
    What to do, how to prevent the tragedy ???
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 September 2021 12: 24
      +8
      The guard who tried to stop him was killed on the spot by this inhuman. The guard has nothing but a button.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 September 2021 12: 32
        +6
        It is clear that the security worked ... my condolences to the family and friends of the person who was doing his duty!
        Then the question is to those who have limited the GUARD in its capabilities, training and equipment necessary to fulfill its duty?
        Surely a question not only of the management of security structures, but also to the legislators?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 20 September 2021 12: 40
          +3
          There is something to think about, where to get such guards who alone can stop such, being armed. How he got to the university, having such an arsenal. At work, the guard at the entrance is always present, but she has nothing but a button.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 September 2021 13: 22
            0
            There are more questions than answers and real deeds!
            So I don’t want to limit everything, turn it into a military camp ... but losing the young generation, our hope, even in ... cannot be lost, and certainly where it can be prevented with the help of organizational, preventive, measures, technical means!
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 20 September 2021 13: 29
              -1
              So in the meantime, the offender was stopped by the traffic police crew who arrived on call. So the traffic cops are doing good deeds, good fire training. If the photo matches, then he shot perfectly first at the legs. And then to kill. And he provided first aid. This explains the careless dressing. I'm not posting a photo, I'm not sure if this is a criminal.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 20 September 2021 13: 51
                +2
                Weak consolation ... the tragedy itself cannot be neutralized by this.
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 20 September 2021 13: 40
              +1
              The criminal was stopped by junior lieutenant Konstantin Kalinin.
  15. Tank hard
    Tank hard 20 September 2021 11: 52
    0
    According to some reports, this is -
    According to preliminary data, the name of the type who opened the fire is Timur Bekmansurov, he is 18 years old. Everyone eliminated him.

    They say he died of his wounds.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 September 2021 11: 55
      0
      I hope this monster suffered before his death. There are already 24 victims, except for those killed.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 20 September 2021 12: 01
        +1
        He wrote a whole sheet there. in all my life....
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 20 September 2021 19: 43
        0
        Quote: tralflot1832
        I hope this monster suffered before dying.

        I survived ... ((
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 20 September 2021 20: 08
          0
          Yes, four holes and alive. am
    2. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 20 September 2021 11: 57
      +1
      Such should not be destroyed, such should be for life, that would rot slowly, that would suffer for the rest of his life.
  16. Borisych
    Borisych 20 September 2021 11: 55
    0
    Again, like in the States. The script has been worked out in social networks and is fueled by them. Such sites are not jammed, they work in full growth. Take a search engine and type in the desired line, they will dump this one for you - mom, do not worry. Instructions inside and out. Who does not find in Russian, full of foreign languages. A translator is always at hand.
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 20 September 2021 11: 58
      -3
      probably in some way he was infringed upon. maybe even for a long time. the psyche could not stand it - I went to restore justice in this way. the cases of executions of colleagues in the army have the same basis. it is a pity that he was not caught earlier and the tragedy was not prevented ...
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 20 September 2021 12: 06
        0
        The question is how to prevent the next execution of children in our conditions. what
        1. faiver
          faiver 20 September 2021 12: 09
          +2
          It is not realistic to calculate such exceptions ...
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 20 September 2021 12: 36
            +1
            I think that there is a probability of "catching" such "shooters" at the stages of preparation - this is the work of psychologists and psychiatrists, and not formal blitz polls - you drink, smoke, etc.
            IMHO. I’m not trying to teach anyone.
      2. Puzoter
        Puzoter 20 September 2021 12: 09
        +3
        Well, of course, the poor unfortunate wounded. To pity him, or what? In his "memoirs" he writes that even in the first grade he realized that he hates everyone around him.
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 20 September 2021 12: 14
          0
          Let's not be mischievous, I have not written anywhere about what and how to feel sorry for whom. I just suggested the reasons. I read about such stories and even asked one friend of a psychologist about the probable causes of such situations. he is inclined to believe that the reason is the injustice in relation to the "shooter" which this "shooter" elevates to the absolute (there is no one to share with - to survive this injustice), the injustice in what was very valuable to him, and that's all - the cuckoo drives up and " the shooter "takes up arms. in all cases, the idea in such situations is the same - to take revenge on society for injustice.
          I didn't make it up. Sanchez word.
          1. Puzoter
            Puzoter 20 September 2021 12: 20
            0
            In this case, your assumptions are superfluous - his "suicide letter" from VK goes on the Internet, he explains everything there.
            1. Nexcom
              Nexcom 20 September 2021 12: 23
              0
              Yes, I do not impose my assumptions on anyone, in fact ...
              Breivik also "cleansed" humanity from "dirty individuals". The motives of these "shooters" are identical. And at the same time, unfortunately, people always die who are not related to the problems of such "shooters".
        2. Murmur 55
          Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 42
          -1
          Wait wait this card with the "victim" will start trying to push it.
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 20 September 2021 12: 47
            -4
            Yes, journalists can start sucking on this side of the incident in the media.
            Especially they can begin to "interpret" his message for the sake of fried facts.
      3. Dikson
        Dikson 20 September 2021 13: 06
        +2
        What, a beautiful girl turned him off, but he got offended and went to shoot everyone, right? Guys acquaintances in the courtyard were hanging pendels, and he, so impressionable that he already disliked everyone around him? Now assign payments to his family and write out financial assistance .. They are all so unhappy, there is nowhere to go right further ..
  17. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 20 September 2021 12: 05
    0
    "Russia 24" - 8 people. 24 injured were also killed.
  18. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 20 September 2021 12: 08
    0
    ***
    Keep quiet ...
    ***
  19. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 20 September 2021 12: 08
    +3
    Where do these bastards come from? It is necessary once and forever to establish life imprisonment for acts of treason, betrayal, terrorism, banditry and pedophilia, and even better, return the death penalty - the people should not feed these nits all their lives.
    1. vl903
      vl903 20 September 2021 12: 23
      +1
      Here!!!!
      Just don't let it go from everywhere ...
      The fact that the death penalty is needed is unambiguous.
      And where does the surge of such cases come from and how to change the situation you need to work on it ...
      And not to engage in populism, ban guns, etc.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 20 September 2021 12: 34
      -1
      Wrong decision. Only the principle of collective responsibility will save. So that my own mother-brother-matchmaker was the first to call the police that something is wrong with the boy.
      1. In passing
        In passing 21 September 2021 09: 31
        0
        I completely agree. This "son for the father" is not responsible, but "the father for the son" must, and how.
  20. Van 16
    Van 16 20 September 2021 12: 08
    +3
    This is a tragedy. Unfortunately, another one.
    Condolences to relatives and friends.
  21. Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 September 2021 12: 14
    0
    It would be better to shoot the reptile.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 September 2021 13: 08
      -1
      They wanted to take him alive, two holes in his legs, he looks like him in ankle boots, they don't go to school and in all black.
  22. ILIA
    ILIA 20 September 2021 12: 15
    +1
    Well, they will take everything away from me changing my double-barreled gun ..)))
    1. faiver
      faiver 20 September 2021 12: 31
      +2
      Well, they will take everything away from me changing my double-barreled gun ..)))
      - 18 years? Seeing a psychotherapist?
  23. Stepan S
    Stepan S 20 September 2021 12: 15
    +2
    This has never happened, and now again .. This is a problem that is very difficult to solve with prohibitive measures, but the fact that any "mama militant" can go to buy weapons and ammunition in a store and go to kill people is not right. And who will sort them and how? In appearance and by reference, they are all "normal". Security? I don't think that solves it. They will find where there is no guard.
  24. vl903
    vl903 20 September 2021 12: 15
    +1
    the mad have been and will be. you can only try to recognize them more early, more or less.
    you can prohibit one thing, they will take on another. will blow up gas cylinders.
    but on what they put in their head, you can work.
    earlier they had the idea of ​​religion and they burned women at the stake.
    they need to hammer something else into their heads.
  25. askort154
    askort154 20 September 2021 12: 21
    +6
    I read his "opuses" in the internet. This geek was hatching his "program" for
    the execution of peers, even from school. I did not share this with anyone.
    Apolitical. All the life postulates of society are disgusting to him, the whole world is disgusting, so he prepared cynically and cold-bloodedly for this act. Unhealthy cockroaches have clearly settled in his brain. I wonder what family he grew up in, where did the parents look? Where did the teachers look? Part of his fault is on them.
    My condolences to all the loved ones of the dead guys.
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 37
      +3
      Relatives will start the aria was quiet, calm, and no one could think, unfortunately it already happened, and the teachers have long been either indifferent or afraid to get into the soul.
      1. alch3mist
        alch3mist 20 September 2021 18: 12
        0
        Relatives will start the aria was quiet, calm, and no one could think, unfortunately it already happened, and the teachers have long been either indifferent or afraid to get into the soul.

        As long as I live, there are more and more facts that such serial killers, rapists, sadists grow up in families where the wife acts as a dictator. It is disgusting and despicable when a man beats his wife and children, but transcendental monsters with holes in their roofs grow up in women-dictators.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 20 September 2021 12: 38
      +3
      Don't you find that these phenomena are a bit like the consequences of NLP? The processing of mass consciousness through social networks is already a reality. Experts from the structures where they go in civilian clothes would have dealt with this issue. The scale is already about national security.
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 20 September 2021 12: 42
        0
        mass suicides of adolescents from NLP games in social networks have been happening for a long time, unfortunately. it is already a reality that cannot be ignored in any way.
  26. north 2
    north 2 20 September 2021 12: 32
    0
    On the Internet at rus.delfi. ee there is a letter from this geek, how and why he prepared these murders. Written by a clearly literate devil philosopher. The letter is very long. The word "horror" does not fit here. Words cannot be found. A hundred times worse than a fascist and a terrorist. At least they choose who to kill. And this one was ready to kill all the superfluous. Something reminds me of the philosophy of Chubais, about twenty million extra and the philosophy of Novodvorsky about her hatred of Russia and her people. Both those and this believed that a critical mass of cattle in Russia had reached the chapel, and the Novodvorskaya communists were also smelly. And let this terrorist tell the truth that he is not a terrorist. ... This terrorist, like Chubais and Novodvorskaya, did not speak about the extra people in America or Europe, that these extra people should disappear there too. Only about the extra people in Russia. But the terrorist killer copied the method of how to do it from America and Europe. Breivik Number 2. Read his entry on this site that I gave the link. No words...
    1. helloween
      helloween 20 September 2021 12: 54
      +2
      this is no longer terror, but the worldview of a loser who hates everyone and everything, terrorists have an ideology - hate is not easy
      1. Asad
        Asad 20 September 2021 13: 33
        0
        And why did not specially trained comrades figure out the scumbag on social networks?
        1. helloween
          helloween 20 September 2021 14: 26
          -2
          but he did not mention bulk in his posts, that is why they did not figure it out, now all the special services are sharpened for the non-poisoned
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 20 September 2021 19: 50
      0
      Quote: north 2
      And let this terrorist tell the truth that he is not a terrorist. ...

      The trouble is. that terrorists (terror-horror from Latin) terrify people in order to achieve certain goals, such as changing the political system, releasing comrades-in-arms from prison and the like, and the likes of this Bekmansurov do not put forward any demands, they just kill and that's it. This makes them more dangerous, it is more difficult to define and calculate them.
  27. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 20 September 2021 12: 34
    +3
    Condolences to the relatives of the victims, speedy recovery to the injured.
  28. helloween
    helloween 20 September 2021 12: 48
    +4
    So it seems like the National Guard received the task to take under the protection of the institution of education? They were on duty at all polling stations! and here he calmly walked with weapons to the building and did not have any obstacles at all, something strange is happening in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, how many tragedies have already been. and no intelligible measures have been taken.
    1. vl903
      vl903 20 September 2021 13: 27
      +1
      Quote: helloween
      So it seems like the National Guard received the task to take under the protection of the institution of education? They were on duty at all polling stations! and here he calmly walked with weapons to the building and did not have any obstacles at all, something strange is happening in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, how many tragedies have already been. and no intelligible measures have been taken.

      where is the security here? you just can't reveal a madman even if everyone walks naked through the streets and on all fours, which is what you suggest.
      crazy will eat bags of explosives and blow up if he wants.
      Why were there fewer such cases in the USSR?
    2. Asad
      Asad 20 September 2021 13: 35
      0
      So the elections were held, it is not quite visible that the stupid person goes to the guarded area.
  29. Cynic
    Cynic 20 September 2021 12: 48
    -3
    the attacker died during transportation

    Such grief for common people ...
  30. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 20 September 2021 13: 12
    0
    Fuck, now we have American shoots begin.
    We need to do something about it.
    1. Walking towards the light
      Walking towards the light 20 September 2021 13: 38
      +1
      Uh-hu.Nado. And what to do? Young people are brought up by social networks. There heroes and "press" of money in 40 cm on Maybach. That's the roof and blows away the teenagers. And if in his class there was also a rich shit with singers in general darkness ((.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 20 September 2021 17: 03
        -1
        That's just it. But on the other hand, the gopot of the 80s and 90s tried to educate me. Nichrome they did not work out.
        Therefore, the conclusion, decide for yourself and think with your own head.

        Threat
        When I was playing Doom, I read about the American shkolota, who, having played enough, started Mochilovo at school. It was wild for me
  31. Walking towards the light
    Walking towards the light 20 September 2021 13: 34
    -1
    Government, yes, get busy with education and ideology !!!!
  32. SSA
    SSA 20 September 2021 13: 37
    +1
    The recipe for fighting this infection has been known for a long time. Only it is necessary not to make populist "movements", to shout - "we will deepen, strengthen, control, we will punish and put everyone in jail!", But ask the professionals!

    1. The main means is to double or even triple the staff of the patrol and guard service on the streets (!!!), equip them with transport and bring routes closer to educational institutions.

    To work out, simplify and optimize the procedure for the detention, search, and check of suspicious persons by the police, stop the witch hunt and clearly fix the guarantees of the employee's legal protection, and not so ... where the wind blows in the prosecutor's office, and the check of the suspicious will end.

    The employee must know that he is right (!), Then he will act decisively and effectively.
    But not like that: a traffic cop shot an Azerbaijani attacking him in Novosibirsk, there was a noise, and the employee was immediately closed in the pre-trial detention center. A backlash began, it came to Bastrykin, they sorted it out, released the employee, they saw the elements of a crime in the actions of the Azeri residents. Is this the law ?!

    Thousands of other police officers, using this traffic policeman as an example, would rather wait for someone to start killing first before using weapons against the attacker, so if they are imprisoned, then for negligence (three to five years), but there are not many, as for abuse of office with causing death (10 years).

    2. There is no point in issuing short-barrels to citizens, this is utter nonsense !!! Here you go to work, but under your jacket you have a LEGAL reliable revolver, and a man with a gun walks past you. Just by. So what ? Pull out your revolver and ... will you hold it back? Will you follow him and watch what he is going to do with this gun? Are you going to hand over to the police? Convoy? Give explanations, explanations? ...

    Guys, don't tell my horseshoes! Yes, I saw how in the afternoon, a drug addict detained on a busy street, they could not watch for half an hour, because the people passing by from the words "stay at witnesses for 10 minutes," broke into a run in the opposite direction. Just understood Karl !!!
    1. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 20 September 2021 14: 29
      +4
      By the way, the Permian thug was shot and detained by one of the traffic police officers, who were the first to be on the spot.
  33. restless
    restless 20 September 2021 13: 37
    -6
    Why is there silence in the press?
  34. well
    well 20 September 2021 13: 42
    -1
    Quote: Murmur 55
    In the US, the number of firearms on hand is simply huge and how does this help the victims ??? If these scumbags are eliminated either by special forces or by ordinary patrolmen! Or are you suggesting that all students issue a short barrel ???

    It helps if they break into the house. There is something to answer. True, this will not work for us. A man who, in his apartment, defended his life and the lives of his loved ones with a kitchen knife, ended up behind bars for exceeding the necessary defense.
    1. SSA
      SSA 20 September 2021 14: 11
      +3
      Yeah ... yeah ... imagine, you are sitting on a pair, in an ordinary university, and around you there are 30 more of the same students, with revolvers, knives and brass knuckles in their pockets. Some of them are your friend, some are jealous of the girl, some hate you, and some of them simply hate the world. But all these people, QUIETLY PROTECT you !!! .. yeah ..
    2. Kushka
      Kushka 20 September 2021 14: 23
      -2
      There is another example (in St. Petersburg or Moscow, I don’t remember).
      Grandfather and grandmother were drinking tea in the kitchen and heard a fuss
      and crackling outside the window, Grandpa looked out and saw that through
      climbed the roof of the entrance and climbs into the window of the room
      intruder. Went into the bedroom, took the gun off the wall
      and shot the criminal from the kitchen window.
      The court fully acquitted my grandfather.
      1. alch3mist
        alch3mist 20 September 2021 18: 23
        0
        Kushka (Anatoly) Today, 14:23
        There is another example (in St. Petersburg or Moscow, I don’t remember).
        Grandfather and grandmother were drinking tea in the kitchen and heard a fuss and crackling outside the window, Grandfather looked out and saw that an intruder climbed through the roof of the entrance and an intruder climbed into the window of the room. I went into the bedroom, took the gun off the wall and shot the criminal from the kitchen window.
        The court fully acquitted my grandfather.

        Another grandfather went to the balcony and saw a man climbing a rope hanging in front of him. Perdun cut the rope, and the Sheep Ministry of Emergency Situations, which climbed onto another balcony to save a man, fell and died.
        1. Kushka
          Kushka 20 September 2021 21: 02
          -1
          Well ....... I really don't know .... what is called "under the gut" ...
          Some kind of trash.
  35. tantalum
    tantalum 20 September 2021 13: 42
    +1
    An individual called Timur Bekmansurov, in Russia, calmly shoots RUSSIANS. Of course, he is completely apolitical. By the way, I forgot who there from the government said that we need another 200 thousand of such gastrobekmansurovs because for a meager salary our people for some reason do not want to work? Well start
  36. well
    well 20 September 2021 13: 46
    +6
    Quote: ASAD
    And why did not specially trained comrades figure out the scumbag on social networks?

    Specially trained comrades are looking for those who offend the deputies, the party and the leaders, and those who inadvertently take pictures in the historical museum of the swastika or something else "propagandizing" Nazism.
  37. Overlock
    Overlock 20 September 2021 13: 47
    +1
    Tell! And what to do with all this ?! They shoot, explode! I want to go to a calm USSR!
  38. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 20 September 2021 13: 55
    +1
    The kingdom of heaven is lost.
    Condolences to family and friends.
  39. SSA
    SSA 20 September 2021 14: 02
    +6
    Thesis: But it would be for students .... (short-barrels, revolvers, blasters, etc.) - bullshit and delirium of sofa experts.
    If I am offered to send my children to study at a university, where half of the hot, young, immature students, will walk with revolvers, throwing spears, shurikens, bows and crossbows ... well, for the safety of my child, then I will send .. . of the one who will offer me such a university!

    The squeals of our citizens: where the psychiatrist, the district police officer, the OLRR looked, everyone who gave the information is bullshit! Never !!! You will not identify such a person during the prescribed procedures, unless, of course, he comes to you for an appointment, with a necklace made of severed cat heads.

    As for weapons, a double-barreled gun covers 90 percent of all the needs of a young hunter! Pump guns are not a hunter's weapon at all. All recharges, only after hunting experience.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 20 September 2021 14: 27
      +6
      Quote: SSA
      Pump guns are not a hunter's weapon at all.
      I agree, this is a weapon for self-defense! But, on what criteria of "self-defense", such a weapon, is issued to the jerks? What are they going to protect - a built house, a grown tree or their children? Where is the logic of those who allowed the purchase of long-barreled weapons for such suckers?
      I don’t want to get into the motive, it’s enough that this ub.lu.doc entered the action in a "German" helmet.
  40. Vsevolod Z
    Vsevolod Z 20 September 2021 14: 18
    +5
    It's sad and sad, but the problem has already become a systemic one. The problem is not in the legalization of short-barrels, not in the intrigues of the "dark forces of the West", not in the need to increase the number of those "guarding our peace" with a concomitant increase in their powers.
    The country has no idea and nothing to offer children and youth. Units go to the sport that parents pay for. Units have the opportunity (read money) for additional development. The rest grows a feeling of anger and unwantedness. Everything is backed up by the stratification in society, the lack of social lifts and the openness of information.
  41. 3officer
    3officer 20 September 2021 14: 30
    0
    Well, right now, they will begin to violently "react", to solve the problem, by disfiguring urban landscapes with three-meter fences made of cast iron around universities and other useless nonsense
  42. helloween
    helloween 20 September 2021 14: 34
    +3
    I assure you - if this idiot in social networks in his posts mentioned the name of the bulk, then he would be calculated in a moment and sent to the zone or to the psychiatric hospital,
    now all our special services are focused on identifying those dissatisfied with the regime, and this is already a very regrettable fact
  43. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 20 September 2021 15: 06
    0
    And what was the motive?
    1. helloween
      helloween 20 September 2021 15: 09
      -2
      hatred for all people! brayvik! Well, the brain is probably a mess
  44. Eragon
    Eragon 20 September 2021 15: 11
    -2
    Quote: Shurik70
    Quote: serg.shishkov2015
    and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia

    Thugs were and will be. As are the madmen.
    The simple truth is that the scumbag will find a weapon sooner or later. And he will go to kill. But his law-abiding victims have nothing to answer.

    A short excursion into history. Before the revolution in Russia, weapons were legal, but ... must use weapons. Otherwise, he became an accomplice by inaction. If the authorities entrust you with weapons, be kind if necessary to maintain the rule of law.
    1. Usher
      Usher 20 September 2021 22: 32
      +1
      Quote: Eragon
      Quote: Shurik70
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      and someone proposes to legalize short-barreled firearms in Russia

      Thugs were and will be. As are the madmen.
      The simple truth is that the scumbag will find a weapon sooner or later. And he will go to kill. But his law-abiding victims have nothing to answer.

      A short excursion into history. Before the revolution in Russia, weapons were legal, but ... must use weapons. Otherwise, he became an accomplice by inaction. If the authorities entrust you with weapons, be kind if necessary to maintain the rule of law.

      Here, some with brains can not cope, and you are a "weapon".
  45. yfast
    yfast 20 September 2021 15: 31
    0
    It is time to prohibit weapons until 30. Just hormones calm down.
  46. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 20 September 2021 15: 43
    +1
    My condolences to the families. Schools should be safe places. But in any society, the hardest thing to avoid is the attack of lone wolves.
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  48. Usher
    Usher 20 September 2021 22: 31
    +1
    How many more people will die until the arms turnover is tightened. In general, I am in favor of confiscating firearms from the population. In addition to the army, police, foresters and tradesmen. Everything. The rest do not need weapons at all by definition. Also, to prohibit edged weapons with a long blade, at work, a former colleague walked almost with an akinak. The main thing is that he is a Moskvich and does not go anywhere, does not do anything (in the sense of a hobby), thumps like hell. And here is such a "body" with a dagger in his hands wanders around Moscow. I asked him the question "why do you need a knife in the city?" Cut the sausage? Paper? Laces? What do you need a weapon for? Are you in the Wild West? He did not answer intelligibly, but after he showed me this "knife". I refused corporate events.