Australians working at the shipyards of France frightened by the anger of local residents after breaking the deal on submarines

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Cherbourg is one of the smaller port cities in Normandy. It was here that France was going to build submarines for the needs of the Australian Navy. Until recently, everything went very well, but the creation of the AUKUS bloc confused all French plans: Australia refused the contract, which until recently was considered an accomplished fact. Now submarines for Australia will be built in the United States, while French production facilities will remain unloaded.

Inhabitants of Cherbourg are in a panic: the termination of the contract by Australia threatens the loss of hundreds of jobs. And this is in Europe, in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, which has already led to a significant deterioration in the lives of the local population. Experts predict that up to 600 jobs will be lost. But this is also family members, that is, the problem will affect several thousand people.



Naturally, this state of affairs did not suit the local population. Against this background, 33 Australian employees found themselves in an interesting situation, who had previously arrived at the Cherbourg shipyard to participate in a submarine construction project. The French Ministry of Defense claims that they will take care of the safety of foreigners.

The Australians themselves and their family members, by the way, are surprised and annoyed no less than the French. Firstly, they also went to France to earn money, and now it is not at all necessary that they will be able to participate in the American program to build submarines for Australia.

Secondly, for Australian specialists and their family members, the very stay in Europe, in France was a great success. Still, this is accommodation in one of the most popular tourist countries in Europe. Now Australian specialists and their wives are perplexed about the decision of their own government. One of the Australians said that she seriously fears for the physical safety of herself and her husband, as well as other Australian citizens.

Of course, France is not Afghanistan and it is unlikely that the locals will begin to take out their discontent by organizing a hunt for Australian specialists. But, in general, the situation is unpleasant. Moreover, the Australians will have to stay in France until Christmas.

It is also unknown how the French authorities will behave. Paris has now recalled its ambassadors to Washington and Canberra for consultations. Thus, France demonstrates deep dissatisfaction with the behavior of the United States and Australia.
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  1. +1
    20 September 2021 11: 01
    Amazing things are happening ...
    1. +17
      20 September 2021 11: 09
      What's so surprising about that? The United States simply continued its policy of twisting its arms to receive orders for its military-industrial complex, but now it is also happening at the expense of its closest allies. A larger predator squeezes out its prey from a smaller one.
      1. -3
        20 September 2021 11: 35
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        A larger predator squeezes out its prey from a smaller one.
        After that, the lion ate the deer with pleasure, and the jackal took advantage of his leftovers. ... Who will eat the scraps for you and pick up the bones?
        1. +5
          20 September 2021 12: 20
          France is not Afghanistan and it is unlikely that the locals will begin to take out their discontent by organizing a hunt for Australian specialists

          Yes Yes.
          Look at the terrorist attack when the editorial office of "Charlie" was shot.
          A magazine that openly provokes the hatred of other peoples towards the French. People who are ready to laugh at someone else's grief, scumbags who do not have a soul.
          And in memory of these scoundrels, it was easy, literally in a day, by SMS, a huge demonstration of "sorrow" was assembled.
          The French are too easily amenable to different ideas. And just as easily the next day they can betray them.
          There will be a boozer calling for punishment, and he may well be able to raise the crowd.
          1. -9
            20 September 2021 13: 13
            shot the editorial office of "Charlie".
            "Charlie" in the eyes of the French is the personification of the media of a free society. You can and should raise any topic, you can and should be caustic and caustic. Or are you, too, offended by cartoons of the only true and true religion?
            1. +11
              20 September 2021 14: 33
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              "Charlie" in the eyes of the French is the personification of the media of a free society

              When a plane explodes, or a train on the subway, hundreds of deaths, Charlie is very funny.
              This is not freedom. This is direct incitement to hatred between peoples.
              And who wants to laugh is a scumbag.
              Somehow they did not laugh when they were killed, but "grieved". After all, the best memory of Charlie would be in laughter, by this the French would support their "freedom to laugh"
              1. -10
                20 September 2021 14: 35
                And who wants to laugh is a scumbag.
                How simple everything is with you ... Boldly write the whole of France as scumbags.
                the French supported their "freedom to laugh"
                The new edition actually did just that. Are you on the side of the animals armed with machine guns?
            2. 0
              21 September 2021 09: 40
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              Or are you, too, offended by cartoons of the only true and true religion?

              Perhaps you will not be offended if someone draws cartoons on topics that affect your moral foundations? For example, about executions in Russian educational institutions? About going to the cinema with your close relative? No? They also believed that it was absolutely normal when the paddling pools drew a caricature about the plane crash in the Crimea? It looks like you are confusing a joke about really ridiculous phenomena and direct and targeted insults.
              1. 0
                21 September 2021 10: 00
                you will not be offended if someone draws caricatures on topics
                No, I won't - I'm an adult.
                frogs painted
                By the way, frog legs are very even. It looks like shrimp.
                The number of Russians with a sheep-loving worldview from third world countries is unpleasantly surprising. And the difference in the standard of living of the "frog pads becomes clear. wink "and" staples ".
                1. 0
                  21 September 2021 10: 18
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  No, I won't - I'm an adult.

                  This is called not an adult, but without moral principles))) or tolerated when, instead of responding to an insult, you swallow and flow around, well, you were taught tolerance there)) I hope you were not offended for being addressed in the masculine gender, otherwise it may be correct in the average or feminine, how is it fashionable with you now?
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  By the way, frog legs are very even. It looks like shrimp.

                  Who caught what.
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  The number of Russians with a sheep-loving worldview from third world countries is unpleasantly surprising. And it becomes clear the difference in the standard of living of "frog" and "brace".

                  It is unpleasantly surprising to see the number of Europeans who believe that the Russians must, are downright obliged to urgently and immediately share their overtures, it becomes clear why in their countries the hosts are Arbash and African refugees. And as you wrote "with the worldview of sheep-lovers" you have just refugees, but in the role of sheep you are loved as they want)))
                  1. 0
                    21 September 2021 10: 29
                    And as you wrote "with the worldview of sheep-lovers" you have just refugees
                    That's the whole trick - you look at the world EXACTLY THE SAME.
                    and in the role of sheep you, and they love you as they want)))
                    Did you see it on TV? Why is everyone from Russia who can afford it (and who cannot, steal to be able) from Russia trying to move to permanent residence in Germany, Italy, and England captured by refugees? Do they really want to become sheep? Or maybe because the European countries embraced by the refugee crisis are many times safer than the Russian Federation? By the way, in terms of the percentage of Tajiks in the Russian Federation, there are much more runners than runners in France. And they behave no better.
                    Who caught what.
                    Reminiscent of the quarrel between the Indians in Delaware and the English colonists - the British boiled crayfish, and the Indians said that they would not have anything to do with the eaters of reptiles. Here to each his own. By the way, frog legs are more expensive than the notorious shrimp. But tastier, in my opinion.
                    how is it fashionable with you now?
                    About the fact that we are fashionable, you are neither ear nor snout, so do not give out the information fed to you from TV for the truth. It looks stupid.
                    1. -1
                      21 September 2021 10: 54
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      That's the whole trick - you look at the world EXACTLY THE SAME.

                      Yeah, the trick of the "new Europian" is to measure everyone by themselves)) Psychology was also taken with them))
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      Did you see it on TV?

                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      About the fact that we are fashionable, you are neither ear nor snout, so do not give out the information fed to you from TV for the truth. It looks stupid.

                      If I had it))) By the way, it is a very common technique to refer to the TV for those who have done a little like that))), but Europeans are no stranger to you))
                      Quote: Bolt Cutter
                      Why is everyone who can afford it (and who cannot, steal in order to be able) from Russia trying to move to permanent residence in Germany, Italy, and England captured by refugees?

                      Now we will conduct a test for a sheep / not a sheep))) I can safely and safely be in absolutely any area of ​​the city at any time, where are you in England? Let's take a walk with your Frenchwoman in the evening through the areas with the predominant residence of refugees)))
                      1. 0
                        21 September 2021 11: 02
                        Let's walk with your Frenchwoman in the evening through the areas with the predominant residence of refugees)
                        Easy! I lived in south London for several years and had no problems. He walked both at night and in the evening with and without his wife. The point is that there are NO regions with the predominant residence of refugees - there are cheap areas where there are relatively many of them. But stop believing in fairy tales about Islamic patrols. Can you lose your job and get enough allowance for a living and a free apartment? Can you get seriously ill and be cured without selling an apartment and a trip to Israel?
                        who did a little like that)
                        You just believe the Russian media. I have no knowledge of my own. The question is, why does everyone who can afford it in Russia have second passports and housing in Western countries?
                        Tell me how bad it is tongue
                      2. -1
                        21 September 2021 14: 26
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Easy! I lived in south London for several years and had no problems. He walked both at night and in the evening with and without his wife.

                        Uh-huh, in my neighborhood close to home)), I asked about the whole thing)))
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        But stop believing in fairy tales about Islamic patrols.

                        yes, yes nafig believe the British TV channel))) they are still those storytellers, I agree)
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Can you get seriously ill and be cured without selling an apartment and a trip to Israel?

                        And you?))) Something again probably yours lied when they showed how you treat COVID))) lie down in the corridor, as we stick together, we will put you in the back room))) and treat? but they did not tell us to treat, so lie down and drink some water))) yes yes you heard))
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        I have no knowledge of my own. The question is, why does everyone who can afford it in Russia have second passports and housing in Western countries?

                        It's simple))) there is no issue from there))) will there be any more questions?
                      3. +1
                        21 September 2021 14: 35
                        any more questions?
                        And more. At night, ALL of London is covered (Camden and Greenwich. South Brixton, by the way, is the most terrible in terms of immigration) Although, you can write off what is visible from afar, I am not dead. But according to statistics, London is much safer than Moscow.
                        lie down in the corridor, as we stick together, we will lay you down in the back room
                        In Britain, medicine is no worse than German and Israeli, but for residents it is free.
                        I was in the hospital (by the way, in StThomas opposite BigBen, where Boris checked himself in) - the state paid for the operation for 30 + thousand.
                        What will happen to you if you lose your job? I will be paid for housing (if lost, they will give me) and will be given an allowance. And you?
                      4. 0
                        21 September 2021 13: 40
                        Can you or not? tongue
          2. -4
            20 September 2021 13: 29
            The French are too easily amenable to different ideas.
            Have you seen a living Frenchman at least once?
            1. +1
              20 September 2021 19: 51
              Have you seen a living Frenchman at least once?

              Have seen. And not only the French. I had a chance to work with mattresses, among which there were many residents of Louisiana (the French state itself). So, their common feature was unceremonious rudeness. And this is a distinctive feature of all indigenous frog-eaters.
              Don't forget how despicable they were with our fans who came to the 2016 Geyropa Championship. Up to a crime for nothing.
              1. -3
                20 September 2021 21: 36
                Up to a crime for nothing.
                Attacks on people with pieces of iron (weapons) is it for nothing?
                a distinctive feature of all indigenous frog-eaters.
                You are clearly such an intellectual that you need to be kept in a cage. I live in England, I am married to a Frenchwoman - no excesses. So you worked with them - and you know everything Yes .
      2. +2
        20 September 2021 11: 49
        The credit and financial bubble burst and now only the real sector of the economy matters, which, by the way per capita our population is not inferior to the United States and surpasses the PRC. The developed EU countries also have a decent real sector. But the trouble is, neither the EU, nor the PRC, nor the United States are self-sufficient in energy resources. The United States is the leading hydrocarbon producing country, but it still lacks as much and therefore the largest consumer. And the Russian Federation is self-sufficient, so it is also a leading supplier. This is the reason why the Russian Federation, having a relatively small population and being inferior in the aggregate economy, has parity in the strategic nuclear forces with the United States, but surpasses all combined on the planet, taking into account the number of TNWs. And there is no need to count aircraft carriers and the number of aircraft, when we have anti-ship missiles with SBS from a third to a megaton. This is such a tactical nuclear weapons, smoothly turning into strategic nuclear forces, both in power and in range. Now and speed. Hypersound was previously available only to strategic nuclear forces, and even then not to the entire triad (strategic aviation was not available hypersound). And not we, but the Pentagon called the other day, the Russian army is incredibly strong and modernized. Not to mention the promising Poseidons and Petrels, the Americans took into account the armament, even of ships in the near zone and, of course, ground, mobile complexes with missiles of the entire line. Those. subsonic, supersonic, combined and hypersonic, and even polls capable of carrying TNW. The most important thing was taken into account in the Pentagon that the Russian military-industrial complex, dispersed like a locomotive in rearmament, and the US military-industrial complex is hardened, rushes with its stealth and spends gigantic funds on fake hegemony, which is the maintenance of eight hundred military bases around the world and the maintenance of force projection ships.
      3. 0
        20 September 2021 11: 52
        just now it is happening at the expense of the closest allies. A larger predator squeezes out its prey from a smaller one.

        Previously, we were the fodder (we printed our candy wrappers for our collapse), but now the fodder is Europe, yes, it will be collapsed just like Russia in 1991-1999. The same deindustrialization is coming for them)))
      4. +1
        20 September 2021 11: 59
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The US simply continued its arm-twisting policy to receive orders for its military-industrial complex.

        The author got it wrong: the boats will be built in Adelaide ...
        1. +4
          20 September 2021 12: 21
          What's the difference ? France in flight!
          1. +1
            20 September 2021 15: 23
            Quote: Vadim Ananyin
            What's the difference ? France in flight!

            The flight accelerated - Switzerland refused to buy Rafali in favor of the F-35 ...
            1. 0
              20 September 2021 16: 36
              This is old news. There were F-18s in Switzerland.
              The fact that the US planes have been chosen again is not surprising.
      5. +4
        20 September 2021 12: 00
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        USA just continued its arm-twisting policy

        So far, to their advantage, the States have twisted the hands of Germany with the SP-2 and Macron did not speak in solidarity with Germany on this topic.
        But Merkel somehow fought back.
        Now it's Macron's turn to show "who's the daddy." bully
        1. +1
          20 September 2021 14: 41
          Quote: Alex777
          Now it's Macron's turn to show "who's the daddy."

          This is the whole "unity" of Europe. Just a little - your shirt is closer to the body. Or they could have arranged a "chicken coop escape" though ...
          1. 0
            20 September 2021 16: 34
            Vanga and Messing predicted an "escape". They just didn’t say when. laughing
      6. +1
        20 September 2021 15: 50
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        What's so surprising about that? The United States simply continued its policy of twisting its arms to receive orders for its military-industrial complex, but now it is also happening at the expense of its closest allies. A larger predator squeezes out its prey from a smaller one.

        It was necessary on behalf of Russia to send "greetings" to the "Russian" MINISTRIES for the French shipbuilders!
    2. +2
      20 September 2021 11: 15
      Quote: Just a Traveler
      Amazing things are happening ...

      As in the song of the group "Lyapis-Trubetskoy"
      ...Notes!!! You, you threw it !!! You!!!
    3. 0
      20 September 2021 11: 17
      Ambassadors recalled, political situation heating up
      1. +3
        20 September 2021 11: 27
        All the "glow" will go to the locomotive whistle. Steam will come out and everything will be as it was.
        And unfinished submarines will find new buyers. And it is not excluded that one of them will be "ceevropa". The Amerkos may well organize this.
      2. +3
        20 September 2021 11: 51
        To fight them. wassat If France would declare war on at least Australia, that would be fun.
      3. 0
        20 September 2021 12: 22
        It seems that this swarm will not be ............
  2. 0
    20 September 2021 11: 01
    How do the French distinguish Australians from other non-Australians? request
    1. +12
      20 September 2021 11: 08
      Quote: Mitroha
      How do the French distinguish Australians from other non-Australians?

      They speak English and, when walking, jump from two legs, leaning on their tail ... laughing
      1. +2
        20 September 2021 11: 11
        So after all, without considering the tail, you can also break the English by mistake laughing
        1. +6
          20 September 2021 11: 20
          it is possible for the British to break in by mistake
          - well, given that the British also entered the new bloc, this is not considered significant
          1. +7
            20 September 2021 11: 21
            Quote: faiver
            it is possible for the British to break in by mistake
            - well, given that the British also entered the new bloc, this is not considered significant

            "Not bad, too," said Nikolay, throwing a slipper at the cat, and hitting his mother-in-law " laughing
            1. +1
              20 September 2021 11: 24
              said Nikolay
              - Valuev? Is the mother-in-law alive? laughing
              1. +2
                20 September 2021 11: 30
                Quote: faiver
                Valuev? Mother-in-law is alive

                So he's a boxer, not a hammer thrower. Other skills are needed here.
              2. +1
                20 September 2021 11: 51
                Quote: faiver
                - Valuev?

                Romanov (the one that is the second).
        2. 0
          20 September 2021 12: 02
          Quote: Mitroha
          So after all, without considering the tail, you can also break the English by mistake

          The tail just needs to be ignored. The Englishwoman shits ...
        3. 0
          20 September 2021 19: 01
          Quote: Mitroha
          So after all, without considering the tail, you can also break the English by mistake laughing

          ========
          Well, so the British - too "on business" will be! lol
    2. 0
      20 September 2021 11: 08
      Just because:
      A Frenchman comes up and asks: Es tu australien?
      1. +1
        20 September 2021 11: 12
        Quote: gray_wolf
        Just because:
        A Frenchman comes up and asks: Es tu australien?

        And the one to him: "Oui" wink
    3. +3
      20 September 2021 11: 11
      Australians always have a bag on their belly laughing
    4. +1
      20 September 2021 11: 12
      The last Australian worthy is Mel Gibson.
    5. +8
      20 September 2021 11: 13
      Quote: Mitroha
      How do the French distinguish Australians from other non-Australians?

      The question is more multifaceted - WHO in France, French ?

      1. +3
        20 September 2021 11: 23
        black are the musketeers and in the background the cardinal's guards?
        1. -1
          20 September 2021 11: 29
          Quote: helloween
          black are the musketeers and in the background the cardinal's guards?


          Yes, they are standing, deciding which of them is the villainess-seducer of Milady today ...
      2. 0
        20 September 2021 11: 37
        Who is a Muscovite in Moscow ?????
        1. -1
          21 September 2021 08: 27
          They are all residents of Russia, so there is no problem
          1. +1
            21 September 2021 08: 58
            What are you ?! Passports of only those republics from which the Russian people fled to flee, leaving all their property. And now, since the time of the alliance between Usmanov and Luzhkov, and now under the approval of the Supreme, these are already residents, as you called
            1. -2
              22 September 2021 12: 42
              in this photo, most of them are not azites, but Buryats and Bashkirs
      3. mvg
        -1
        20 September 2021 12: 54
        WHO in France, French

        France squad 1960

        France squad 2020

        Something like this
        1. -1
          20 September 2021 13: 07
          Quote: mvg
          WHO in France, French

          France squad 1960

          France squad 2020

          Something like this

          True racially correct the French national team of the sample 60-70-80 of the beginning of the 90s is a loser. incorrect sample 98-2018 - one of the leaders of world football, 2 world championships, 1 euro, etc.
          1. nks
            0
            20 September 2021 13: 28
            Quote: Liam
            model 60-70-80 at the beginning of the 90's is an eternal loser. And the wrong sample 98-2018 is one of the leaders of world football, 2 world championships, 1 euro, etc.


            Firstly, he is not a loser, but a European champion of 84 years old, and secondly, it is not a matter of skin color at all - back in the early 80s, football in France was considered nothing more than fun, then they began to develop it and got the result.
            1. -1
              20 September 2021 13: 42
              Quote: nks

              Firstly - not a loser, but a European champion of 84 years

              Fuck ... and Greece is the European champion in 2004. Even the Czechs and the USSR became European champions.
              Quote: nks
              it's not about the color of the skin

              The user who posted a photo of Germany instead of France focused on this.
              1. nks
                0
                20 September 2021 13: 46
                Quote: Liam

                Fuck ... and Greece is the European champion in 2004. Even the Czechs and the USSR became European champions.


                To say what you wanted? The European champions of the USSR and the Czechs were losers then?
                Quote: Liam

                The user who posted a photo of Germany instead of France focused on this.

                This user simply does not like to think - he just has such leisure time on this site.
                1. -1
                  20 September 2021 13: 49
                  Quote: nks
                  The European champions of the USSR and the Czechs were losers then?

                  Naturally, the middle peasants take something every 50 years, like France of that period, or like Spain before 2008
                  1. nks
                    0
                    20 September 2021 13: 52
                    In general, losers are losers. Spain, being a very strong national team, won nothing for a long time - losers. Italians often won with a very average line-up - not losers. However, if for you the winner is a loser, then I wash my hands - we are just in different universes with you.
                    1. -3
                      20 September 2021 13: 54
                      Quote: nks
                      In fact, losers are losers.

                      French under 98 are losers, after 98 are the most successful team in the world
                    2. 0
                      20 September 2021 13: 58
                      Quote: nks
                      The Italians often won with a very average squad.

                      I'm afraid that your knowledge of Italian football is even weaker than French)
              2. 0
                20 September 2021 15: 26
                Quote: Liam
                Fuck ... and Greece is the European champion in 2004.

                A grimace of fate - the Russian national team took off the crown from the European champions and sent home ... wassat
          2. -1
            20 September 2021 15: 28
            Quote: Liam
            France squad 1960

            Rather, it is the 1940 national team, judging by the coat of arms ... hi
          3. The comment was deleted.
        2. nks
          +1
          20 September 2021 13: 25
          O! the experts drove up. On the first photo Sat Germany (80g) - it is necessary for the completely blind not to see it. But don't reflect - spread.
        3. -1
          20 September 2021 17: 45
          Quote: mvg
          WHO in France, French

          France squad 1960

          France squad 2020

          Something like this


          The first photo shows the national team of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1960. Look at the white T-shirts, black shorts and, most importantly, the German coat of arms on the T-shirts with an eagle. The French have a rooster on their coat of arms.

          The second photo shows the French national team in 2021.
          But the point is clear.
          1. nks
            0
            21 September 2021 08: 58
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            The first photo shows the 1960 team of the Federal Republic of Germany.

            80th - Germans then became champions of Europe.


            Quote: OrangeBigg
            The French have a rooster on their coat of arms.

            There are no animals on the French coat of arms. On the T-shirts there is the emblem of the French Football Federation, where the rooster is indeed depicted.
    6. 0
      20 September 2021 13: 15
      how the French distinguish Australians
      They mix cognac with cola belay
      1. +1
        20 September 2021 15: 31
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        how the French distinguish Australians

        The Australian is hard not to recognize - a curly head of hair, jet black, in a loincloth and with a bone in his nose ... bully
  3. +2
    20 September 2021 11: 04
    Come on, I think that there are more Australians in Australia than the French .... especially since they have kangaroos with them.
    1. 0
      20 September 2021 11: 18
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Come on, I think that there are more Australians in Australia than the French .... especially since they have kangaroos with them.


      They have there in Europe, in general, everything is complicated Yes
      And with the kangaroo in particular ...

    2. 0
      20 September 2021 19: 11
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Come on, I think that there are more Australians in Australia than the French .... especially since they have kangaroos with them.

      ========
      But no! For every Australian there are 2 point and 7 tenths of the French! True, if the Australians also bring a kangaroo with them to the showdown, well, tady - OH, the paddling pools - a cover !!!

      lol
      1. 0
        20 September 2021 21: 36
        Just like in Moscow for every Russian ... only we don't have a kangaroo.
  4. +1
    20 September 2021 11: 07
    What should I do? Previously, France was an independent supplier of weapons to the world market (and weapons technologies), then, it integrated into the system and worked profitably in it. Now there is not enough space on the (systemic) market (the Americans do not want to reduce their defense industry) ..... Accordingly, France needs to stop playing "Concern" and again sell weapons to everyone who buys (become an independent supplier of modern Western technologies to third countries) ... Then orders will appear.
    1. +4
      20 September 2021 11: 16
      By the way, the other day the Swiss abandoned the purchase of French Rafale fighters in favor of the American F-35s. laughing Macron is furious. Will France risk selling its Rafali to Iran, I don't think so. NATO, that is, the United States will not allow it. And will the conditional Iran buy expensive Rafali or prefer cheaper Chinese fighters? All the same, you can rely on China, unlike the West, which just imposes sanctions and bans on the supply of spare parts.
      1. mvg
        -2
        20 September 2021 12: 57
        purchases of French Rafale fighters in favor of American F-35s

        Actually, it was about the F-18 Super Bumblebee. On the other hand, the Rafale is a very expensive car, obviously more expensive than the F-35C.
        Until recently, the French had no orders at all. This is only recently, Qatar, India .. and then the little things
        1. -1
          20 September 2021 13: 08
          At first the Swiss wanted to buy Rafali.
          ... Switzerland refused to buy French Rafale fighters - instead, it decided to purchase American F-35 fighters, reports the Swiss edition of Le Matin.

          It is reported that the move "extremely angered" French President Emmanuel Macron, in connection with which he canceled his November visit to Bern and a meeting with President Guy Parmelin. However, the French authorities note that the visit "was not finally agreed", so it would be incorrect to talk about its cancellation.

          "After a loud slap in the face by Australia, which canceled a 2016 contract for the purchase of French submarines worth more than 61 billion francs, now she [France] is also unhappy with Switzerland," the newspaper writes.

          https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2021/09/19/16556624.shtml
          1. -1
            20 September 2021 20: 07

            https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/2021/09/19/16556624.shtml

            Aren't you ashamed to give links to the "newspaper"? They still do not know that francs are no longer used in France. And the "author" of the news is called Anastasia Lezhepekova. laughing
        2. nks
          0
          20 September 2021 13: 30
          Expert :) Rafale, by the way, is the most exported fighter over the past 10 years at the moment (according to firm contracts :)
          1. mvg
            -2
            20 September 2021 13: 33
            most exported fighter in the last 10 years

            Maybe proofs for the studio? wassat And will you name the operators? About 5 years ago, they wanted to close the plant, as there was no export. Wonder-couch-general
            144 aircraft, 3 countries.
            Let's count the F-35? It’s just a year that they release so much.
            1. nks
              -1
              20 September 2021 13: 38
              Read Wikipedia. India, Qatar, Croatia, Greece - under current contracts (Greeks just ordered 6 more to 18 -> 24). Total 162. F-35 - signed contracts for export to countries not consortium ~ 160.
              1. mvg
                -2
                20 September 2021 15: 40
                Read wikipedia

                Wikipedia, in Russian, is not a source, with all due respect to its many authors. For the plant and contracts, I told you the truth, they wanted to close the plant, it was Qatar who helped out, then a tender in India.
                A plane with great avionics, but 4 ++ and a $ 200 million price tag is nonsense. By the way, the F-16s are also being sold, and if the Indian tender is pushed through, then Rafal will rest. The F-21 is no worse, even more interesting, plus the price tag is more than twice as democratic.
                1. nks
                  -1
                  20 September 2021 18: 45
                  Quote: mvg
                  Wikipedia, in Russian, is not a source

                  I agree that the numbers in the Russian wiki are actually incorrect, I advised you to read English / French, but in general it is better to read several versions at once and follow the links. A wiki is, first of all, a good entry point, the technology of which gives a good opportunity to assess the reliability of the given data. I am familiar with this data from primary sources. Sorry, but judging by such statements, you are very so-so in the subject ...

                  Quote: mvg
                  Actually, it was about the F-18 Super Bumblebee.

                  and so
                  Quote: mvg
                  Qatar came to the rescue, then a tender in India.

                  First, there was a tender in India (since the mid-2000s), and Egypt became the first export customer.

                  I'm not even interested in where you got "144 planes, 3 countries."

                  More details on current export contracts:
                  54 (Egypt) +36 (Qatar) + 36 (India) + 24 (Greece) + 12 (Croatia) = 162

                  These are firm contracts (I did not include agreements of intent like the Indonesian one here). It’s not even a formal 1st or 2nd place (+ -10 boards is not a matter of principle), especially since the situation is changing right before our eyes and it is better to look at the results of the year, but the fact that, contrary to popular opinion and a much more weighty American lobby, Rafale is sold for export no worse than the F-35. Once again, I’m talking about sales to countries outside the F-35 consortium. The partners in the F-35 project invested money in it in advance and were included in the production chain - they simply cannot refuse. Canada is spinning, but most likely it will also have to buy, otherwise the invested money will have to be written off as a minus and its part of production should be curtailed. (by the way, few people also know that there are also FR suppliers in the F-35)




                  Quote: mvg
                  A plane with great avionics, but 4 ++ and a $ 200 million price tag is nonsense. By the way, the F-16s are also being sold, and if the Indian tender is pushed through, then Rafal will rest. The F-21 is no worse, even more interesting, plus the price tag is more than twice as democratic.


                  Well, maybe if will push - those are not about an objective comparison of performance characteristics and economics.
                  Understand - I advised you wiki for a start. You are very (and even more) far from reality. In terms of capabilities, the F-16 competes with the mirage2000 - it all depends on the specific versions of both aircraft, but the Greeks send to shoot down (and they do shoot down) Turkish F-16s with mirages, although their F-16s have more mirages, and their the blocks are newer than those of the Turkish vipers. The Rafale is simply totally superior to the F-16 in everything.
      2. nks
        -1
        20 September 2021 13: 29
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        By the way, the other day the Swiss refused to purchase French Rafal fighters

        We woke up. The winner of the tender was announced back in June, and the decision has yet to be approved by the parliament, and there is great opposition to this decision. Below you have nothing more than a media sketch about the cancellation of the visit.
      3. 0
        20 September 2021 13: 48
        Well, China and the Russian Federation can buy some kind of systems and licenses for them ....... The Mistral was already there ..... Even from it there were some technologies left to us.
  5. +4
    20 September 2021 11: 08
    Gentleman is a man of his word.
    The gentleman gave his word.
    The gentleman took the floor.
    In this particular case, it is an Australian gentleman.
    (Note to non-gentlemen)
    1. 0
      20 September 2021 11: 54
      Quote: prior
      Gentleman is a man of his word.
      The gentleman gave his word.
      The gentleman took the floor.

      How is the chevalier trash, in this case, different from the "gentlemen"?
      1. +3
        20 September 2021 11: 59
        That is nothing.
        I remember the Poles were thrown at the beginning of the Second World War.
        But who are the Poles?
        The Russians were thrown with the Mistrals.
        But who are the Russians?
        But when the gentlemen threw the Chevalier, the latter suddenly began to puff out their cheeks, to recall the ambassadors.
        1. 0
          20 September 2021 12: 01
          Quote: prior
          That is nothing.
          I remember the Poles were thrown at the beginning of the Second World War.
          But who are the Poles?
          The Russians were thrown with the Mistrals.
          But who are the Russians?
          But when the gentlemen threw the Chevalier, the latter suddenly began to puff out their cheeks, to recall the ambassadors.

          Let them blame themselves. There will be science Yes
  6. +7
    20 September 2021 11: 10
    France, of course, is slapped in the face ... with a boomerang. For "Mistral" ... In general, the consolidation of the Anglo-Saxon world is more and more clearly traced. Especially in the military field.
    1. +6
      20 September 2021 11: 17
      It is incomprehensible the strange desire of Australia, which, instead of enjoying its separate continent, is trying to make itself a gem by wielding all kinds of military blocs. And teasing other countries.
      1. +1
        20 September 2021 11: 33
        Quote: Mitroha
        It is incomprehensible the strange desire of Australia, which, instead of enjoying its separate continent, is trying to make itself a gem by wringing in all kinds of military blocs.

        You will be surprised, but the head of Australia is the English queen. Of course, as they say, she "reigns, but does not rule," but ...
        1. 0
          20 September 2021 11: 48
          Quote: Dart2027
          You will be surprised, but the head of Australia is the English queen

          I would rather be surprised to see a person who does not know this. hi
          And in the place of the Australians, I would ask the parliament, why are we getting into other people's feuds?
          1. -1
            20 September 2021 11: 57
            Quote: Mitroha
            seeing a person who does not know it

            There are.
            Quote: Mitroha
            I would ask the parliament, why are we getting into other people's strife

            And this will be quickly explained to them by "independent" journalists.
        2. -1
          20 September 2021 20: 22
          the head of Australia is the English queen. Of course, as they say, she "reigns, but does not rule," but ...

          Here the back "but" does not decide. The old woman has no legal force over Australia.
          The koalas were put on the old Sher Khan, which is very short-sighted. Friendship with the Middle Kingdom in the future would be much more beneficial.
          1. -1
            20 September 2021 21: 38
            Quote: alch3mist
            The old woman has no legal force over Australia.

            Truth? Officially, it may not, but Australia and Canada have always fought on the side of England.
      2. +4
        20 September 2021 12: 05
        The Chinese threat, however. Australia is concerned. Australia is a huge country with tons of resources and a (relatively) small population. 25 million Australians like Shanghai. Therefore, in the future, the block is necessary and the nuclear submarine too. By the way, it is nuclear ships, taking into account the theater of application, here Australia is needed. Another thing is that the Franks had to build 12 boats on the Barracuda base, i.e. promising nuclear submarines transferred to diesel-electric submarines. And of course the Franks could build the nuclear submarine. But the English-speaking relatives of the marsupials intervened and drove the francs to the fullest.
        1. -1
          20 September 2021 13: 38
          Quote: hrych
          The Chinese threat, however. Australia is concerned.

          Do the Chinese know they are threatening Australia? Or did the kind Anglo-American relatives "opened the eyes" of the Australian brothers?
          1. +2
            20 September 2021 13: 46
            Australia is part of the Asia-Pacific region and here a collision is inevitable in the future. The nuclear fleet is also not for today, but for the future until the mid-forties of the 21st century. Although the bloc has already been created and its doctrine is being formed. So far, the US dominates the APR, but there is no absolute domination.
    2. 0
      20 September 2021 11: 18
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      France, of course, is slapped in the face ... with a boomerang. For the Mistral ...

      Not only for "Mistrals", in bypassing the sanctions, the French supply us with matrix photodetectors, and the Anglo-Saxons are naturally in the know.
      1. nks
        0
        20 September 2021 13: 32
        Not bypassing - the contract was concluded before the imposition of sanctions, which allowed the completion of existing contracts
        1. -2
          20 September 2021 14: 10
          Quote: nks
          the contract was awarded prior to the imposition of sanctions that allowed for the completion of existing contracts

          That's good, otherwise we will begin to do our own, on the mountain the cancer will whistle.
        2. -2
          20 September 2021 14: 35
          Quote: nks
          Not bypassing - the contract was signed before the imposition of sanctions

          This is so, for thinking about French imports:
          1. nks
            0
            20 September 2021 18: 47
            It's probably still French export in the Russian Federation, or rather Russian exports from France (those data from Russian customs)?
            1. nks
              0
              20 September 2021 19: 13
              Quote: nks
              more precisely Russian export

              * Russian import
              1. 0
                21 September 2021 08: 28
                Quote: nks
                French export to RF

                Quote: nks
                * Russian import

                Quote: nks
                those data of the Russian customs

                Whatever you name it, but these are products that are supplied to the Russian Federation from France (you can guess by perfumery) and according to the Federal Customs Service for 2020, in comparison with 2019, you can observe a forty percent increase in the supply of products with the SS code Yes
                https://russian-trade.com/reports-and-reviews/2021-02/torgovlya-mezhdu-rossiey-i-frantsiey-v-2020-g/
                1. nks
                  0
                  21 September 2021 08: 56
                  The accuracy of the terminology is still important, and as for the SS code, this primarily indicates a tendency to keep secrets in the Russian Federation (and primarily from its citizens) lately. I do not think that there is literally something military there - rather, just high-tech products (they can be called dual-use products), since under other articles they are not there.
                  1. 0
                    21 September 2021 09: 01
                    Quote: nks
                    (it can be called a dual-use product)

                    Which falls under the existing sanctions, and its share is growing! fellow
                    Here are the Anglo-Saxons and decided to tinker the French with their muzzle on the table. Yes
                    1. nks
                      0
                      21 September 2021 09: 04
                      You have a wrong idea :) In open articles, for example, there is no civil aviation equipment and spare parts for it
                      1. 0
                        21 September 2021 09: 29
                        Quote: nks
                        You have the wrong idea :)

                        Yeah, you and I seem to live in different countries bully
                        Quote: nks
                        In open articles, for example, there are no civil aircraft and spare parts for it

                        And because there is no such commodity nomenclature of foreign economic activity, there is a group 88 - Aircraft, spacecraft, and their parts. Yes
                      2. nks
                        0
                        21 September 2021 09: 56
                        Yes. And where is the group with code 88 in the table on your link? After 87 comes immediately 89
                      3. 0
                        21 September 2021 10: 11
                        Quote: nks
                        Yes. And where is the group with code 88 in the table on your link?

                        But this group has not developed in our country, in the last ten years
                        https://russian-trade.com/reports-and-reviews/2018-03/dinamika-torgovli-rossii-s-frantsiey-v-2010-2017-godah/
                      4. nks
                        0
                        21 September 2021 10: 25
                        The group did not work out, but there is such an import. I suspect that there is still an exchange going on between group 84 and the SS code.

                        PS: At the same time, you can see the statistics of customs between the Russian Federation and these Anglo-Saxons, the same USA :)
                      5. 0
                        21 September 2021 10: 34
                        Quote: nks
                        The group did not work out, but there is such an import.

                        in 2010-2013? Is that your humor?
                        Quote: nks
                        PS: At the same time, you can see the statistics of customs between the Russian Federation and these Anglo-Saxons, the same USA :)

                        And there is no one to kick those who want, then they turn back in their business, the lobby is in charge and they write sanctions for others, not for themselves.
                      6. nks
                        0
                        21 September 2021 10: 41
                        Quote: Dym71
                        in 2010-2013? Is that your humor?

                        And what is wrong? Do you think there were no such imports in 2010-2013?


                        Quote: Dym71
                        And there is no one to kick those who want, then they turn back in their business, the lobby is in charge and they write sanctions for others, not for themselves.

                        That is, do you think that they are imposing sanctions not in order to deny access to certain goods / technologies, but solely in order to bend their own allies?
                      7. 0
                        21 September 2021 11: 03
                        Quote: nks
                        Do you think there were no such imports in 2010-2013?

                        I think that in 10-13 years there was no point in hiding supplies for the needs of civil aviation, and therefore the conclusion is that there was no such import, now it can easily be.
                        Quote: nks
                        That is, do you think that they are imposing sanctions not in order to deny access to certain goods / technologies, but solely in order to bend their own allies?

                        Both statements are true, the basic rule - for the strongest there are no constant rules, only interests are constant.
                      8. nks
                        0
                        21 September 2021 11: 18
                        Quote: Dym71
                        I think that for 10-13 years there was no point in hiding supplies for the needs of civil aviation, and therefore the conclusion is that there was no such import

                        But it is easy to make sure that there was such an import. It is possible that ready-made AIrbuses (including helicopters) came to the Russian Federation according to muddy schemes, then the components for the production of SSJ 100 came directly from France.
                      9. 0
                        21 September 2021 11: 38
                        Quote: nks
                        components for the production of the SSJ 100 came directly from France.

                        Thales - delivery of avionics until 2008
                        PowerJet has a joint venture with UEC-Saturn
                      10. nks
                        0
                        21 September 2021 11: 49
                        You persist in vain.
                        Quote: Dym71
                        PowerJet has a joint venture with UEC-Saturn

                        Not certainly in that way. PowerJet (headquartered in France) is a joint venture UEC-Saturn with
                        Safran Aircraft Engines (formerly SNECMA), components for final assembly at the Rybinsk plant, were and are still being supplied directly from France.
                        Also, the SSJ assembly uses (including in 2010-2013) components from other enterprises that are part of the SAFRAN holding (and Thales, of course, too).
                      11. +1
                        21 September 2021 12: 04
                        Quote: nks
                        You persist in vain.

                        And what is our disagreement with you? My opinion is that, as the French supplied dual-use goods, they are still supplying and new contracts will be concluded through gaskets, and how they do not fall into the statistics of the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation or pass under secret codes is of course of interest, but only optional. hi
                      12. nks
                        +1
                        21 September 2021 12: 15
                        Well, we agreed :) The only thing I think is that all this has nothing to do with the topic this article is related to. The Australians do not give a damn about this, the opinion of the UK does not particularly interest anyone, and even if Biden knew about it, he forgot - he acts on feelings and in this case he cares about China, not the Russian Federation. :)
    3. 0
      20 September 2021 11: 42
      the question is who the French can rely on now ... the Germans, but take at least the most high-profile agreement with the states on SP-2 in recent years ... the Germans are ready ... the Spaniards (who have a conflict over Gibraltar) .... Russia ... China ... divide and rule ...
    4. +1
      20 September 2021 12: 09
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      In general, the consolidation of the Anglo-Saxon world is more and more clearly traced.

      She did not go anywhere: the Englishwoman has been shitting from her island for centuries, later she acquired a pit bull - the USA, and sheep - Australia and Canada. The latter, however, mows constantly - bleats with a pronoun, so they hold her in the end ...
  7. +2
    20 September 2021 11: 20
    .... France shows deep dissatisfaction with the behavior of the United States and Australia ...

    When the US forbade you to sell Mistrals to Russia, you didn’t snap. The ambassador was not recalled. Have you finally begun to get bored with US edicts? Are you not afraid of the "yellow vests" anymore? It's time, Macron, it's time!
  8. +2
    20 September 2021 11: 29
    How about the French shipbuilders wiped their feet ?! It's time for the French to remember centuries-old traditions and oppose the Anglo-Saxons. laughing
  9. +2
    20 September 2021 11: 31
    the situation is unpleasant
    Wrong word - lousy. For a small town, the loss of 600 jobs is a huge blow. Of course, the Australians will not beat the muzzles, but on occasion they will express their attitude towards their country. As they say, everything is known in comparison (I'm talking about the "Mistral")
    1. +1
      20 September 2021 12: 06
      let me ask you - why are you all making so much noise for these Mistrals? one might think that Australia refused France precisely because they once threw Russia at these helicopter carriers. it's not like that.
  10. +2
    20 September 2021 11: 45
    The French Ministry of Defense claims to take care of the safety of foreigners
    ... Shaw to say, sho to say ... yes, Oland is just a darling that MISTRALI left for himself !!!
  11. +3
    20 September 2021 12: 03
    How they got hot. When the already paid Mistrals were squeezed, everyone there was just poisonous, unanimously opposing Russia. And now the same twist, even cooler, since the boats are only in order, and they are ready to gnaw each other's throats.
    Say what you like, but such a squabble of NATO spiders is nice to watch.
  12. 0
    20 September 2021 12: 04
    A fictitious problem. ...
  13. +2
    20 September 2021 12: 16
    Of course France is not Afghanistan
    Duc, a matter of time. Yes laughing
    1. 0
      20 September 2021 12: 19
      Trump got his revenge for 2 helicopter boats that were not sold to us.
  14. +2
    20 September 2021 12: 19
    From the very beginning, starting with the agreement signed by the Australians and the French, there were all the elements that make it possible to speak of a declared catastrophe: in this case, the contract with the Naval Group provided for a French submarine, created on the basis of a nuclear submarine, with an American weapon system, but made in Australia. With a complete lack of specialists and shipbuilding in Australia. Three conditions that left no room for positive results. Canberra will now also have to pay billions of dollars in fines. But now there are many doubts about the new agreement with the Americans and the British. The Australians have demonstrated very high strategic ambitions, which, however, are difficult to reconcile with the reality of the facts, we are talking about a country of 25 million inhabitants, which has already faced significant difficulties in terms of engineering and know-how in creating 6 small submarines operating on conventional power plants of the Collins class. Imagine 12 nuclear engines. The success of the deal is further complicated by the fact that Australia intends to build submarines at its shipyards. This will require American and British technology, as well as the import of specific materials from overseas. In short, you have to start from scratch. The most likely scenario is that these submarines will have mixed crews and when they need maintenance they will have to sail to American or British ports. In short, a catastrophe that, if all goes well, could materialize no earlier than 30 years from now. The same program for Type 26 frigates is struggling with similar problems, with delays and increased costs.
    1. 0
      20 September 2021 12: 21
      The same program for Type 26 frigates is struggling with similar problems, with delays and increased costs.
    2. nks
      0
      20 September 2021 13: 42
      In general, a very reasonable opinion, but still there is shipbuilding in Australia, but the construction of submarines is a very specific thing and the Australians, judging by recent events, are not looking for easy ways. But they say the rich country can afford to throw a few yards for the closure of the program.
  15. +1
    20 September 2021 12: 21
    Another grin of friendship from the United States towards its allies. In general, nothing surprising ... The only strange thing is that they started with France. Germany seems to be more naughty))))
    1. -1
      20 September 2021 13: 13
      Well, you give! Here you and I are in the market - what kind of friendship can there be,
      when 66 lards are at stake? And on any one flies!
      Anecdote by the way:
      Woman to the seller, do you have tpixel jackets?
      - ??????? ....No. Goes opposite.
      (The question sounds the same)? - There is!
      - Wrap it up!
      The first salesman runs up to the second, what are the jackets,
      Where did you get it, why don't I have it? - Well, as it is not, these are XXXL jackets!
      1. 0
        20 September 2021 13: 23
        This is not exactly a market, but geopolitics. There is still a difference between these two concepts.
        1. -1
          20 September 2021 13: 36
          And what about politics? Why does she "continue" there?
          I will try again:
          Both you and I are in the market. And then the crown - the market was quarantined!
          You and I have locked our booths,
          while we ourselves sit our teeth on the shelf and are in debt up to their ears - loans, mortgages, children's studies ...
          (How many% did the US economy sink because of the crown?).
          And then the market opens and there is a buyer! And immediately by 66 billion!
          YES I DOWNLOAD YOU !!!!! ... Yes, if you are my wife's brother!
          Yes, even the Pope!
          1. 0
            20 September 2021 13: 42
            Immediate benefit. So the United States, like you, ran into these 66 billion, and does not see or understand anything else. Geopolitics? One of the key partners in Europe? They don't give a damn, they'll bite anyone for 66 lards. Well, let them squabble ...
            1. -1
              20 September 2021 14: 10
              Well, yes! You still say ayya-yay - if not a gentleman!
              We were friends, we started together.
              And how we started! We were still standing on newspapers, in high fur boots, in the cold.
              One sausage in half ate a quarter
              (for all total pre-lunch "revenue") .......
              And by the way. The French experience and the school of nuclear submarine operation are unique.
              The only factor of the combat use of their nuclear submarines is worth something
              (two crews - "red" and "blue"). Plus decades of trouble-free
              exploitation. And this is impossible without the high achievements of
              who built these nuclear submarines. But ........ it turned out, what happened - the USA "threw",
              as you write, a key partner, and Australia has made
              questionable choice.
  16. 0
    20 September 2021 13: 36
    Why be surprised? The normal situation for capitalism, where the main thing is money. So we chose our capitalists on September 17-19. So don't be surprised later.
  17. 0
    20 September 2021 13: 41
    An article from the category - they came up with it themselves, they wrote it themselves
  18. 0
    20 September 2021 14: 21
    What is "like" in such articles is the echoing, all-consuming joy of someone's problems and difficulties.
    1. +1
      20 September 2021 14: 22
      Threw scammed - karma request
      1. 0
        20 September 2021 14: 23
        This is the usual competition.
        1. 0
          20 September 2021 14: 24
          Time will tell.
  19. -1
    20 September 2021 22: 18
    Why are Australians in France? They have their own rich homeland, let them earn money there. I don’t think the Australian government pays such valuable specialists poorly.
    1. nks
      +1
      21 September 2021 09: 01
      They were trained for further work at shipyards in Australia on a project that has now been canceled, since all 12 submarines were supposed to be built there. Of course, Australia itself paid for the banquet.
  20. 0
    21 September 2021 01: 17

    Of course, France is not Afghanistan ...
    Afghanistan, European only! laughing
  21. 0
    21 September 2021 11: 08
    For Australian specialists and their families, the very stay in Europe, in France was a great success. Yet this is accommodation in one of the most popular tourist countries in Europe

    Has the author been to France for a long time?
    There are now completely blacks, Arabs. Dirt and mess.
    Calm and clean only in all local small towns, where a strong local community simply does not allow migrants.
    And Paris, or even more so Marseille, is such a bottom that PPC.
  22. -1
    22 September 2021 02: 26
    What kind of pussies? Can't my mind connect the Australian workers and the population? Some kind of absurd logic. Well, that the order was canceled, what has the workers to do with it, did they cancel it? They're kind of civilized people. What a ridiculous nonsense.

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