"Not quite satisfied": Australia explained the abandonment of French submarines

Australia will purchase or lease submarines from the US Navy or Great Britain, this issue is under consideration by the country's Ministry of Defense. This was stated by the head of the Australian military department Peter Dutton.

The Australian Defense Minister denied information from some French media that Canberra deliberately misled Paris by agreeing to build a series of non-nuclear submarines under a 2016 contract. According to Dutton, the Australian government had previously warned France that their proposed submarines "did not quite meet" the requirements of the Australian Navy, "given the changing circumstances in the Indo-Pacific region."

Now, according to the minister, Australia intends to put eight nuclear submarines of its own production on alert from 2036, but until that time, options are being considered for leasing nuclear submarines from the United States or Great Britain.

We spoke openly about the problems and the need to act in our national interests, (...)

- said Dutton.

We will remind that earlier the USA, Great Britain and Australia announced the creation of a new partnership AUKUS in the field of defense and security. The first decision of the new alliance was Australia's refusal to purchase French-made non-nuclear submarines for $ 66 billion. Paris has already called this decision "a stab in the back."

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[SaLaR]

Just like the real ones ... but they don't bring joy ..)) DO NOT SATISFY

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

And also all the inscriptions and documentation would be in French .. How can the poor Australians figure it out?

[hrych]

Quote: Andrey Chizhevsky

figure it out?

All these are the consequences of the end of the HBV / PMV. As well as the same Brexit. Britain leaves the EU for another, anti-Chinese bloc. AUKUS pronounced, anti-Chinese. RF, as the clear winner in the HBV, is a blessing. Finally, they will lag behind, at least little crap and continue, but there are no thoughts to tear them to shreds. I have no doubt that Biden in Geneva agreed on this bloc and asked the Russian Federation for neutrality. Just as Afghan itself is a clear and noisy sign of the end of the Rimland doctrine, so the creation of AUKUS speaks of the creation of a new doctrine of retention of domination. And undoubtedly the Asia-Pacific region is becoming a battlefield. At one time, Stalin moved there strained, unloading Europe. We can say that his work lives on. The monster of the People's Republic of China raised by him, although at one time bit us, but now fulfills a global task. The DPRK is also like a bone in the throat We can guess that the EU, including France, previously did not support the new round and were rolled out under contracts. Also, now the West is in need, such contracts are already shaking the economies of the richest countries, which reached the ambassadors' comments.

[Alex777]

France is so sad that Biden is ready to talk about it.
Compensation will be discussed in the near future. As I expected ...

US President Joe Biden and French President Emmanuel Macron will hold telephone talks following Australia's disruption of the submarine deal. This is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the statement of the official representative of the French government Gabriel Attal.

It is noted that the discussion will take place in the coming days. “President Biden asked to speak with the president of the republic,” Attal said.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: hrych

Britain leaves the EU for another, anti-Chinese bloc.

The EU has never been an anti-Chinese bloc ...

AUKUS pronounced, anti-Chinese.

The PRC itself is to blame for this. They shouted too loudly about their plans - about the "New Silk Road", the "Pearl Line", bulk islands, the creation of a fleet of "blue waters" and the KMP of 100 thousand people, a demonstration of force in front of Taiwan ...
The Anglo-Saxons simply decided to stop the Chinese threat in the APR and Indochina .... now they will work out interaction and AUKUS will expand at the expense of their allies in the APR - Canada, New Zealand, Thailand, Singapore, Brunei, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Oman, Eastern Timor in all these countries either already has a US / UK / Australia WB, or these countries are part of the British Commonwealth of Nations ...
PLA / SSGN for Australia in this situation is necessary, if the British Royal Navy will guard the Russian SSBN / SSGN / SSGN in the North Atlantic, as in the "good" old days of XB, then the Royal Australian Navy will guard the same, but already SSBN / SSGN / PLA Navy PLA in the area south of Indonesia ....
Therefore, Australia needs a submarine to be able to patrol for a long time ...
The Australian Royal Navy will be a good addition to the US Navy in the Asia-Pacific region and may free some of the US submarine forces ....

The monster of the People's Republic of China raised by him, although at one time bit us, but now fulfills a global task.

In the 70s, the Chinese "communists" went to an "agreement" with the United States, exchanging friendship with the USSR for their well-being and development, changing the "face of socialism" .... before the events on Tiananmen Square in the 89th PRC and the imposition of this on him from the West of sanctions, the PRC showed teeth to the Soviet Union ...

DPRK too, like a bone in your throat

In economic terms, it is completely under the control of the PRC, we have no influence on the "last fortress of Stalin", except that the Internet was connected there (the quality is better than the Chinese one), almost the entire debt was written off and one berth was leased in Chongjin (before 1950 of the last century, the USSR placed a naval base and an airfield there) ...

I have no doubt that Biden in Geneva agreed on this bloc and asked the Russian Federation for neutrality.

Yes, and so that the Russian Federation does not change its mind, the Anglo-Saxons left boiling Afghanistan in the underbelly of the Russian Federation, if the Russian Federation behaves badly all the gray living mass and the mountains B and VT remaining there from NATO will come to life and rush to the Central Asian republics of the CIS ...
The intelligence of the Russian Federation seems to have missed the creation of AUKUS, otherwise, even before the "flight" of the United States from the DRA, it would have deployed a full-fledged MSD with parts of reinforcement connections in the Republic of Tatarstan on the basis of the 201st WB .... now this can alert the Anglo-Saxons and they can give the command "face" to the Taliban and ISIS ...
If the Russian Federation now does not strengthen the minimum 201st WB in the Republic of Tatarstan, then this means that the Russian Federation surrendered the PRC at the negotiations in Geneva, leaving it alone with the Anglo-Saxons ...

We can guess that the EU, including France, did not previously support the new round and were rolled out under contracts

France is not all ESU, for example the FRG cheerfully and dashingly drinks its diesel-electric submarines to Turkey and Israeli Jews ...

[alex neym_2]

And I DO NOT PLACE HOW THEY WILL RAISE MONEY!

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[hrych]

Quote: Lara Croft

The EU has never been an anti-Chinese bloc ...

I also speak. The British left for the anti-Chinese bloc from the anti-Russian one. The anti-Russian front has failed. The EU did not embark on an anti-Chinese adventure. I do not exclude that Brexit was with this aim. The British are the most cunning, the failure of the HBV was foreseen earlier by the United States and financially, politically and militarily, they dissociated themselves from the EU. And in geopolitics, in order to imagine what to represent, we climbed into the Asia-Pacific region.

Quote: Lara Croft

so that the Russian Federation does not change its mind, the Anglo-Saxons left boiling Afghanistan in the underbelly of the Russian Federation

They wanted to. But it did not grow together, the Taliban fried / fried everyone and the dish is already lagging behind To the Taliban, no way, they fled from the Taliban without muzzles.

Quote: Lara Croft

France is not all EU

Not all, but the largest and strongest country in the EU. After Brexit, the only nuclear power. Those. the EU nuclear missile arsenal is the arsenal of France. The only EU country with nuclear submarines, including SSBNs. The only spaceport in the EU is the spaceport in French Guiana (Kourou). Although Ariana's launch vehicles participate in the EU space agency, they gather in France, in Toulouse. Part of the large collider passes through France, etc. France should not be underestimated.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: hrych

I do not exclude that Brexit was with this aim. The British are the most cunning

Brexit was a planned event, this is true, all that Britain could get from the Common Market / EU, the EU eventually became a strong competitor for the United States and did not shy away from ties with Iran and China, for this the EU will still receive a response in the future ... Great Britain also lost something from it, incl. and in financial terms, Germany alone will not pull the parasites adopted in the EU over the past 30 years ... I think the EU will return to the borders of the early 90s in the future, otherwise it will not survive ... just like the USSR once ...

And in geopolitics, in order to imagine what to represent, we climbed into the Asia-Pacific region.

Well, from the APR, neither the British nor the United States left anywhere ...
The United Kingdom and the United States are members of ANZUS ....

To the Taliban, no way, they fled from the Taliban without muzzles.

I would like you to be right. However, the headquarters of the Taliban is in Qatar ...
I think the "flight" of the United States from the DRA is a "picture" for ordinary people .....
One thing is clear, only Australia is in the black (provided that the ICBMs of the PRC and Eun do not reach it) ...
I agree with the rest ... the Anglo-Saxons apparently not only do not want the unification of the FRG and the Russian Federation (having fenced them off with Russophobic regimes), but also the unification of the FRG and France, now provoking the latter's withdrawal from NATO and the deterioration of relations within the EU ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: hrych

How Afghan itself is a clear and noisy sign of the end of the Rimland doctrine,

Afghanistan fulfills the same function as Pakistan did when the British left India, a hotbed of irreconcilable tension in the underbelly.

[TermNachTer]

It should be noted that this is already the second spit on the French plate))) a little earlier, Switzerland abandoned the "rafals", although almost everything was already decided and chose the F - 35.

[Grits]

Quote: TermNachTER

It should be noted that this is already the second spit on a French plate.

They don't care all the same ... (Mistral)

[pogis]

Poland also threw them from a helicopter.

[TermNachTer]

Well, according to the "turntables", there was not a very big contract and the French safely stuck their old stuff in the Banderland))) but 5,5 lard of greenery + a year of the plant's operation - this is a "set-up"))))

[knn54]

The French often understand. Forgive ... and observe.
I think that India's desire to "get" a nuclear submarine is not far off.

[paul3390]

I think that India's desire to "get" a nuclear submarine is not far off.

In general, this is a very dangerous move ... Until now, they tried not to use nuclear submarines, even for the closest allies .. And after that, there can be far-reaching consequences .. The same Chinese, and we, referring to the precedent, can put the nuclear submarines very countries that are unpleasant for America.

[Kuroneko]

If this happens, it will be very long ago. We ourselves do not have enough and all production capacities are loaded for years to come.

[Most polite]

Hans Christensen, Director of the Nuclear Information Program at the Federation of American Scientists:
The US decision to supply nuclear engines for Australian submarines is serious. This is contrary to non-proliferation regulations ...

Representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China Zhao Lijiang:
The beginning of cooperation on the part of the United States, Great Britain, and Australia on nuclear submarines is causing serious damage to peace and stability in the region, exacerbating the arms race, and detrimental to efforts within the framework of the international regime for the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.

[TermNachTer]

Operating a nuclear submarine is not a very cheap pleasure. Previously, only rich countries could afford it. Will Australia pull? Or do kangaroos hope that older brothers will finance this pleasure?)))

[Boa kaa]

Quote: knn54

India's desire to "get" a nuclear submarine is not far off.

The Indians already have Arihant SSBNs of their own construction. Another 3 units are under construction. And there will be 6 of them in total.

[tatarin1972]

So India leased the nuclear submarine project 670 "Skat" back in 1988 from the USSR. And now in 2011 they took "Pike B", in 2025 another one will be leased to the Indians.

[alch3mist]

Just like the real ones ... but they don't bring joy ..)) am DO NOT SATISFY WASSAT

Here, as in the Odessa court: "Look, she satisfies half of the city, but her husband, you see, does not satisfy!"

[Orange bigg]

Quote: SaLaR

Just like the real ones ... but they don't bring joy ..)) DO NOT SATISFY

But that's not all. Trouble does not come alone. The Americans got in on the ally in the face of France.

... Switzerland refused to buy French Rafale fighters - instead, it decided to purchase American F-35 fighters, reports the Swiss edition of Le Matin.

It is reported that the move "extremely angered" French President Emmanuel Macron, in connection with which he canceled his November visit to Bern and a meeting with President Guy Parmelin. However, the French authorities note that the visit "was not finally agreed", so it would be incorrect to talk about its cancellation.

"After a loud slap in the face by Australia, which canceled a 2016 contract for the purchase of French submarines worth more than 61 billion francs, now she [France] is also unhappy with Switzerland," the newspaper writes.

https://m.gazeta.ru/army/news/2021/09/19/16556624.shtml

[Letun]

Quote: SaLaR

Just like the real ones ... but they don't bring joy ..)) DO NOT SATISFY

The joke was remembered:
Divorce proceedings are underway in a small town court. The judge asks the woman:
- Why did you decide to divorce your husband?
The woman replies:
- He does not satisfy me in bed.
Female voice from the audience:
- Look! Everyone is satisfied, but she is not!
Male bass from the audience:
- And no one satisfies her!

[Retvizan 8]

All the same, an excellent answer to the paddling pool flew in for the fact that Russia was thrown from Mistral!
It's not just that, it's such karma!
And how offended that, even the ambassador was recalled.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Retvizan 8

All the same, an excellent answer to the paddling pool flew in for the fact that Russia was thrown from Mistral!
It's not just that, it's such karma!
And how offended that, even the ambassador was recalled.

The answer would have flown in if we had been involved. And so it's just scam

[75 Sergey]

Have they already started building and have contacts been signed?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: 75Sergey

Have they already started building and have contacts been signed?

Apparently not, otherwise the Australian aborigines would have suffered losses, most likely "framework agreements", "agreements of intent", etc. were signed.
Cherbourg shipyards are now in mourning ... I hope the Russian naval attaché in France sent there a colored musical card with the song "7.40" ....

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Still, the otvetchka flew perfectly to the paddling pools

Switzerland also refused to buy French military equipment - instead of French Rafale, it decided to buy American F-35 fighters, local publications write. Macron canceled his November visit to Bern.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Retvizan 8

It's not just that, it's such karma!

Karma - yes! And let them feel ...

[gohomeyanki]

Well, not that they were thrown in the case of Russia. The prepayment was returned, and the penalty was also on top. In theory, of course, they could throw, but then they would be known as completely unreliable.

here, apparently, the forfeit was not pledged at all, but an advance payment, perhaps some kind of minimum was paid, otherwise the client would not have jumped.

[TermNachTer]

My, purely personal opinion, which, however, I do not impose on anyone - thank God that the "mistrals" remained with the French. They did not fit into the Russian concept of amphibious assault landing, not to mention the fact that they were built according to the standards of civil shipbuilding and their survivability is highly questionable.

[Vaccine]

The first decision of the new union was Australia's refusal to purchase French-made non-nuclear submarines for $ 66 billion. Paris has already called this decision "a stab in the back."

Well, that's how the French .. The Anglo-Saxons are throwing you away!
And in Russia everything is fine, we live on bread, chew and swim in Antarctica and the Arctic ..

We are tempering !!! Where ours did not disappear ..

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Vakcin

We are tempering !!! Where ours did not disappear ..

[Vaccine]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote: Vakcin

We are tempering !!! Where ours did not disappear ..

And this too ..)))

Even walruses are for Russians and can smell where the protection is

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Vakcin

And this too ..)))

But I like this

[TermNachTer]

Judging by the rudders on the wheelhouse, the boat is not Russian)))

[d1975]

Let's go! Do you know who floats? Submariners are a special caste, if you talk about them, then with respect.

[Seryoga64]

I would not like to gloat, but ... To paraphrase, "The ashes of the Mistrals" are beating in my heart "...

[Vaccine]

Quote: Seryoga64

I would not like to gloat, but ... To paraphrase, "The ashes of the Mistrals" are beating in my heart "...

Mistral, the frogs backfired .. Nobody likes traitors!

[75 Sergey]

Did we need them?
So they also paid us something.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: 75Sergey

So they also paid us something.

Yes, they seem to have paid. But the feeling was kind of spat in the back

[hagen]

Quote: Vakcin

Mistral, the frogs backfired .. Nobody likes traitors!

If you study the Mistral issue more deeply, it turns out that the refusal to supply Russia with already built ships was decided in Washington. So it is a mistake to link the refusal of Australia and France. Here it is different. Here it is more appropriate with the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. The French firmly believed that they were equal allies within NATO and the United States. The Australian example has shown an obvious thing for us (not for Europe) - the United States regards its European allies, and all others aspiring to an alliance, as vassals and is not guided by their opinion in solving its geopolitical problems. Actually, Australia is here in the same capacity. For their money, they will acquire and build a large submarine fleet (and not only submarine ones), will maintain it, and the tasks of this fleet will have to fulfill those that the United States will supply. Those. this fleet will (by the way, very expensive) exert pressure on China from the southern flank and help the 7th operational fleet of the US Navy to regulate traffic flows in the Malacca Strait, for example, and on other adjacent trade routes. But in reality there are no serious threats to Australia to build up its naval forces in this way.

[Cat]

The Egyptians tensed - what for they have so many submarines

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Gato

The Egyptians tensed - what for they have so many submarines

Let them bring to the market

[Cat]

Or you can ride tourists along the Nile in a pandemic

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Gato

Or you can ride tourists along the Nile in a pandemic

But you still have to wear a mask

[tralflot1832]

It looks like the French Foreign Minister should be driven into retirement without a pension. This happened before his eyes. Such things are not decided in one day. Australia's exports by almost 40% to China, they calculated everything, and not in one month.

[Brturin]

Quote: tralflot1832

.Such things are not decided in one day.

There may be a longer story that began back in 2019, the French dared to talk about the digital tax, which included Google, Apple, Facebook and Amazon (GAFA tax, in initial letters). Then Trump threatened with taxes on French wine - "We will soon announce significant retaliatory measures in connection with the recklessness (or stupidity, who translated it) Macron .. I always said that American wine is better than French wine!" ... then there was talk about the introduction additional duties of 25 percent in the amount of $ 1,3 billion on goods from France (cosmetics, food ...).
Time of course has passed, but the sediment remains ... and GAFA ...

[tralflot1832]

The Australians are in their minds, only the export of wine to China is $ 800 million. And the Chinese say they don't drink.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tralflot1832

The Australians are in their minds, only the export of wine to China is $ 800 million. And the Chinese say they don't drink.

Earlier, the export of coal and grain was lost, to the delight of ... Russia ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: tralflot1832

It looks like the French Foreign Minister should be driven into retirement without a pension.

Yes, you need to drive the main scout

This happened before his eyes.

What kind of eyes do we have. They quietly agreed there

[Brturin]

Quote: Seryoga64

Yes, you need to drive the main scout

where to him alone against five eyes (FVEY) Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Great Britain and the USA

[Seryoga64]

Quote: BrTurin

where to him alone against five eyes (FVEY) Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Great Britain and the USA

Does he serve alone there?

[Prisoner]

Karma she is. Sometimes it is instant, sometimes it is delayed. So the answer for the Mistral came slowly.

[Chief Officer Lom]

If "they warned that they did not quite satisfy", then why ordered? If before this statement the French statement that they were deliberately set up looked like the words of the offended thrown in a fever, then after these words it becomes like the truth, although it is not clear why.

[Kuroneko]

"Your only fault is that I want to eat." (with)
Capitalism without expansion - that's what it is. It devours itself.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

If "they warned that they did not quite satisfy", then why ordered? If before this statement the French statement that they were deliberately set up looked like the words of the offended thrown in a fever, then after these words it becomes like the truth, although it is not clear why.

Once the advance of the Russian Federation for the Mistrals, they saved the shipyards in St. Nazar from bankruptcy .... in the case of the Mistrals, the Russian Federation won more, received an advance payment back with a different euro rate, competence for the construction of a part of the UDC, and trained crews ...
How else the Indians would not throw the French with fighters ...

Macron, he is a litter, and performs the same function in France as Zelensky in Ukraine ... and the local security forces are dissatisfied with both of them ...

[Redfox3k]

"Mistral". The earth is round.

[Kuroneko]

And fools too.
But rake-walking is their favorite process.

[faterdom]

Have the French forgotten how to satisfy? Soon they will forget how to cook ...
Alain Delon is now dead, there will be no kin ...
No more French, turn sour. Purqua pa?

[Alex777]

Quote: faterdom

Alain Delon is now dead, there will be no kin ...

[Cat]

Alain Delon is now dead

When did he have time?

[beeper]

Quote: Gato

Alain Delon is now dead

When did he have time?

Yes, the smoking-room is alive, Monsieur Alain Delon!
It was Jean-Paul Belmondo who died on September 6.
Alain Delon was among those who saw off Belmondo on his last journey to the music from the movie "The Professional" and applause to the late Artist.

[Cat]

What a joy ... And then I also confuse Delon with Belmondo - well, almost the same face!

[beeper]

Quote: Gato

What a joy ... And then I also confuse Delon with Belmondo - well, almost the same face!

So both are handsome of our Soviet cinemas!
All films with them were masterpieces, I remember those queues at the box office!

[Nafanya from the sofa]

And why did the French decide that they are the leaders in the production of non-nuclear submarines (NNS)? The Germans and Swedes are doing better. New Japanese and Korean may not be bad either. Australians pay real money, so they can choose. Whatever the liberal-democratic "non-continuing" press writes, nuclear submarines are better than non-nuclear submarines, although significantly more expensive. So if you have money - "any whim for your money"

[Alex777]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

And why did the French decide that they are the leaders in the production of non-nuclear submarines (NNS)?

We won the tender. The tender was specific for large submarines.
The Japanese strongly hoped to win, but flew over because of the States.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

The tender was won

How to properly conduct a tender, and then determine the winner, the Australians probably learned from their neighbors - the Indians.

[SVD68]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

The Germans and Swedes are doing better.

After the Collins boats, the Australians don't want Swedish boats.

[zwlad]

Australia intends to put eight nuclear submarines of its own production on combat duty from 2036

Does Australia know how to build nuclear power plants?

[voyaka uh]

Now he will learn.
Australia is an island. Surrounded by oceans.
They need submarines with a long range.
And preferably with MRBM.

[Andobor]

Quote: voyaka uh

They need submarines with a long range.

Defensive with a small radius, with a large radius it is already offensive,
offensive are needed already with the composition of the new organization.

[voyaka uh]

This is how the organization was created: AUKUS
A-UK-US.
For this event and a snack: the Australian Premier League.

[zwlad]

They themselves are unlikely to learn.
If only America throws up the project.
But they will have to buy reactors from the United States anyway. So our own production is our own.
The US is saving its Westinghouse it seems.

[voyaka uh]

In the States, nuclear submarines are being built very intensively.
Virginias are stamped like pies.
But, of course, Australia will be helped.

[paul3390]

But they will have to buy reactors from the United States anyway.

There is an opinion that the projects will be from the islands of the Eared Grandmother .. The British "Astyut" will be taken as a basis. And on them there are reactors like Rolls-Royce ..

Small-sized razors, too, are still pincers; they will grab such a piece as well as a bulldog ..

[Alex777]

Quote: voyaka uh

They need submarines with a long range.
And preferably with MRBM.

I can understand about the radius, but why is an MRBM without a nuclear warhead? CD is more accurate.

[voyaka uh]

And where can they go without nuclear deterrent weapons?
How to butt China without nuclear weapons?
Australia is a clear candidate for the nuclear club.
Several nuclear submarines with missiles, like England.
And he sleeps more calmly ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: voyaka uh

Australia is a clear candidate for the nuclear club.

And if the Republic of Belarus also wants to join the nuclear club, for example?

Several nuclear submarines with missiles, like England.
And he sleeps more calmly ...

A couple of regiments with "Rubezh" ballistic missiles as part of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus and in the ESU will not sleep ...

[voyaka uh]

Everything can be: Belarus, Poland, Japan, Turkey, and Iran. Other.
When they constantly brandish "nuclear concrete"
everyone thinks: "but we, too, would not damage such a bar ..."
The spread of nuclear weapons is unpleasant, but it is inevitable, alas ...
Technological more and more countries are approaching the possibility of creating nuclear weapons.
The decision is up to the politicians of these countries.

[Alex777]

Quote: voyaka uh

And where can they go without nuclear deterrent weapons?
How to butt China without nuclear weapons?

Alone, they will not fight China in any way.
I do not believe in the MRBM in Australia (no one except the Republic of Kazakhstan has such sea-going missiles), and the States will always give them a CD with nuclear warheads, if anything.
And nothing in the Premier League (Virginia?) Does not need to be redone.

[SVD68]

Quote: voyaka uh

And preferably with MRBM.

Why is a brigade without nuclear warheads?

[Sergej1972]

Australia mainland.)

[voyaka uh]

Formally, yes - the mainland. In fact, it is a hefty island with one single state on it.

[Kuroneko]

One question: Eurasia is also an island?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: voyaka uh

Australia is an island. Surrounded by oceans.

Not at all. Australian mainland.

And preferably with MRBM

Not at all. With KR MB.

[tralflot1832]

So China took care of this issue, whether to put crosses for Chinese vigorous warheads on the territory of Australia or not (as the country Australia is not a nuclear power).

[mitroha]

Quote: zwlad

Australia intends to put eight nuclear submarines of its own production on combat duty from 2036

Does Australia know how to build nuclear power plants?

The main thing here is to refuse and kick out, and there the AUKUS comrades-in-arms will help
They thought about mattresses and decided to take 56 billion for themselves

[Lt. Air Force stock]

It will all end with the United States going to build Virginia for them, Australia won't pull the production of nuclear submarines, and even if it does, what's the point of buying equipment, building stocks and training its employees for 8 submarines? You will need a lot of money, and after the production of 8 submarines, what? Simple entire production.

[Stas1973]

Modernization. The most important section in the dough drink

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

It will all end with the United States going to build Virginia for them, Australia won't pull the production of nuclear submarines, and even if it does, what's the point of buying equipment, building stocks and training its employees for 8 submarines? You will need a lot of money, and after the production of 8 submarines, what? Simple entire production.

There is such a thing as military leasing ...
The British will build a PB for the nuclear submarine, the United States will build the nuclear submarine ...

[Ros 56]

The striped ones will satisfy them so much that they will hiccup for a long time. It's just that Australia is still far away and is not actively involved in the political life of the geyrope. Not yet evening.

[Stas1973]

The trouble, of course. But the situation with the Mistrals backfired. The Australians were reinsured.

[SVD68]

Concerning a purely technical issue, it is clear that when choosing an ocean submarine from napl and apl, one should choose apl. Moreover, the Australians have already made a mistake with the choice of the previous collins type of Swedish design.

[Laksamana besar]

Switzerland also threw:

According to Le Matin Dimanche and Sonntags Zeitung, the French president, through the ambassador, informed the Swiss authorities about the cancellation of a visit to the confederation to meet with Swiss President Guy Parmeland. Macron's official visit was scheduled for November and has been preparing for six months.

As noted, the French leader also banned all high-level bilateral contacts with Switzerland until the summer of 2022. The confederation indicates that contacts at the operational level and through ambassadors will continue.

The media note that Macron's decision is due to the fact that Switzerland chose US F-35 fighters for the needs of the army. The deal amounted to over $ 35 billion. According to publications, the dialogue with France about the purchase of Rafale fighters continued even after Bern made the final decision on the F-XNUMX.

[Brturin]

There was already a version that the states agreed with the Germans on the SP-2. so that they do not unite with the French ... where can he go then ...

[rocket757]

CLEAR KIDOK ...

"Not quite satisfied": Australia explained the abandonment of French submarines

... States have nothing but their own interests.
Common truth.

[Yaro Polk]

Fantomas norms

[Kerensky]

A muddy story. If something does not satisfy the customer, either the project is being finalized, or the customer puts the equipment of a third-party manufacturer in the case.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Kerensky

A muddy story. If something does not satisfy the customer, either the project is being finalized, or the customer puts the equipment of a third-party manufacturer in the case.

That, if signed construction contracts are available ...

[mvg]

French production for 66 billion dollars

Cut the sturgeon then ... Did you order 100 diesel-electric submarines? Did you miss the comma anywhere?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Exactly what is not! Initially, 12 "diesel" submarines were estimated at $ 40 billion, then the price rose to $ 66 billion. After that, the French screams about "kidalov" look ridiculous.

[Viktor Sergeev]

The US bribed more.

[dub0vitsky]

For a long time they have not shaken off dandruff from the shoulders of Macron's pinjac. Sad, poor fellow! And then another back turned up under the caress of the godfather. How can you not bark from jealousy? And how to live on? Everyone is lying around.

[Borisych]

Oh, Macaron. The unforgettable Otto von Bismarck told you Europeans that Russians always come for their money. Of course, you gave the money for the Mistral. But the sediment remained. So Petrov and Boshirov decided that it was time for a sediment to fall out. So he fell out. Well, naturally, the Russians got their Swiss colleagues involved. They delved into the topic and sent the frog-eaters along with their Raphael. I don't really remember the exact names of our agents in Switzerland, but ... Cherchez la femme. Rustle, gentlemen, from the banks of the Seine river, soiled by you.

[CommanderDIVA]

The new military alliance of the English-speaking countries against China, the main trade sea routes of which pass through the APR, the French have never been reliable allies for the United States, and here the most important issue of building a strategy to combat Chinese expansion in the APR and not only, so it is a matter of time to provide Australia with nuclear submarines , in the future, the Indians and Indonesia are also waiting for generous promises from Biden and Co. in order to build the first security belt against the PRC

[Chief Officer Lom]

Quote: 75Sergey

Have they already started building and have contacts been signed?

They may not have started building, but having such a large order, they probably did not conclude many others, smaller ones, perhaps they began to recruit personnel and make preliminary purchases. Theoretically, compensation can be sued for this, but the assessment of such losses is subjective, and in international courts the opinion of the United States is decisive. Or will they go to London Arbitration?

[Uran53]

Apparently the naglo-Saxons of the Australian kangaroos are satisfying enough! I wonder, with this attitude towards the allies, how long will they stay with the states?

[agoran]

Very interesting topic.
Everyone knows that the Angles are very good at playing long (for themselves).
But the world is changing very quickly at the moment.
Next we look:
-Brexit, UK is leaving the dictatorship of Brussels, with financial losses (the pirate Johnny will not give his money), which means what? So there is a better offer.
-Rosebirds flee from Afgan losing sneakers (equipment) for overmoney. So there are more important goals.
- is the pact of the Anglo-Saxons in the Pacific region against China, it is strange that Canada was not invited.
-Franks were thrown for a lot of money, and this is a bell for Europe, which is used to living under the umbrella of the United States.
In the next moment, you can expect a lot.

[tolmachiev51]

"We talked openly about the problems and that we need to act in our national interests, (...)" - oh, it smelled like fascington !!! Science for the guardians is “not only you, but also with you.” The notorious “mistrals” backfired.

[gorenina91]

"Not quite satisfied": Australia explained the abandonment of French submarines

- The French are not at all sorry ... - they, as always ... - "get out" ... - and "drive" these submarines ... - even the Arabs, the Turks, even the Indians ... - And even Russia will agree to purchase them ... - Russia these boats will come in handy ... - even in the Mediterranean Sea, even in the Far East, even in the Baltic Sea ... - so the French will not have to "grieve" for long ...
- But I am personally glad that Australia has begun to actively arm itself ... - And to arm itself against China (in alliance with the United States and the NATO bloc ... of course) ... - NATO is the eternal enemy of Russia; but today China is much more dangerous for Russia ... - all this "friendship" and "partnership" is a complete fiction ... - This is ... as in the famous film, where such a phrase sounds "We won't hurt you. .. - chick and ... and so on ... "... - Here is China ... -" does not hurt "Russia with its Chinese population ... and expansion ...
- And today, what is more dangerous for Russia ... - what can "happen" faster ... - aggression from NATO (this threat has existed for many decades) or a new threat from China; which does not weaken, but only intensifies every day ...

[realist]

nonsense . the customer announces what his requirements are, the contractor develops the necessary solution and after that the order is made, then they say that the boats were ordered in 2016, and are almost ready! does it mean that the customer agreed to manufacture? a lot of fog, but in general we don't care what boats Australia buys, they are not ours anyway!

[Alex Justice]

Why Australia has so many nuclear submarines? Money has nowhere to go? I don't like it.

[teptyar]

The world is changing. Major deals break down, new alliances and blocs appear. Someone unites to be friends against others. How do we adapt to this, how do we participate? What is our role? What is our benefit? Or are we just an observer ....

[zenion]

Can ants be observers?

[zenion]

Like an Odessa anecdote. Abram divorces Sarah, she does not satisfy him. From the audience - you look at him, all of Odessa is satisfied, but Abram is not!