Accusations of Russian reconnaissance drones of low quality of filming turned out to be untenable

Intelligence Drones play an increasing role in modern military conflicts. The Russian army uses drones for a long time, including in Syria, where all the equipment that is being put into service is being "run-in".

Recently, publications about the superiority of foreign unmanned aerial vehicles over Russian ones began to appear in foreign and Russian media, especially on the Web. Basically, the exaltation of foreign drones is done in Ukraine, where everything Russian a priori means the worst. It claims that Russia lags far behind in the production of attack drones, as well as the low quality of images provided by reconnaissance drones.

The blame for the Russian drones, basically, is the low quality of reconnaissance equipment, which of course is not true. The accusations of the low quality of the footage on Russian reconnaissance drones turned out to be untenable. According to experts, not sofa experts, Russian reconnaissance drones meet modern requirements and are among the best in their class in the world.

The Russian Armed Forces are armed with several types of domestically produced reconnaissance drones capable of conducting reconnaissance and transmitting data in real time. The quality of the intelligence obtained during the use of drones can be evidenced by the publication of several images taken by the ZALA 421-16E5G reconnaissance drone when used in Syria. Comments, as they say, are superfluous.

The Russian unmanned aerial vehicle ZALA 421-16E5G is equipped with a sequential hybrid power plant that allows it to stay aloft for more than 12 hours. The drone is capable of conducting reconnaissance at a distance of more than 100 km from the operator. The equipment installed on the UAV allows recording and transmitting high quality images. The drone is equipped with an HD thermal imager and a 60x FullHD video camera. The installed on-board computer with AI elements provides video navigation, object recognition, full radio silence, recording of all communication channels and online decryption.

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[_Ugene_]

The blame for the Russian drones, basically, is the low quality of reconnaissance equipment, which of course is not true.

What are the charges then? You might think we make these cameras ourselves and we can't do it better. Which ones will we buy in China and put them, what's the problem? If you are not satisfied with the quality of the picture, it means they will buy with a higher resolution.

[ccsr]

Quote: _Ugene_

Which ones will we buy in China and put them, what's the problem?

Even without the Chinese, we were able to create optoelectronic reconnaissance means, the best in the world, for space and aviation, including for Soviet drones, even forty years ago.
So we shouldn't listen to the nonsense of authors from the Ukrainian fields - everything has been debugged for a long time, the question is only in the requests of the Ministry of Defense and other law enforcement agencies.

[_Ugene_]

Even without the Chinese we were able to create optoelectronic reconnaissance devices forty years ago.

the fact of the matter is that 40 years ago they knew how, but now they do not

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

Even without the Chinese we were able to create optoelectronic reconnaissance devices forty years ago.

the fact of the matter is that 40 years ago they knew how, but now they do not

why not go to the ... Shvab

"effective in complete darkness in all climatic conditions.
The maximum detection range of an animal and a person is 10-15 km, of a freight transport - up to 40 km. "

[Jacket in stock]

Anakant-2

domestic photodetector matrix with a resolution of 640 × 512 ..

Only this is not for drones. This is a stationary device

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Anakant-2

domestic photodetector matrix with a resolution of 640 × 512 ..

Only this is not for drones. This is a stationary device

what makes the device stationary? apart from the ultimate goal of the product naturally

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: poquello

what makes the device stationary?

Design and equipment.
Stationary can be large, heavy, voracious, demanding on temperature, sensitive to vibration and other mechanical influences.
Onboard, respectively, compact, lightweight, economical, durable, and yes, it should have stabilization and high-speed drives.

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: poquello

what makes the device stationary?

Design and equipment.

hrenucation, power consumption and the ability to maintain characteristics in motion, so when you find that the device does not fit in these parameters - come back

[Shurik70]

These are all photos from a single drone.
Drones are strong precisely because they are massive. It is not difficult to put expensive optics on a single drone. Not your own, so purchased.
And a swarm is what a swarm is for. A computer with good performance and high-quality software from hundreds of even cheap cameras can easily synthesize high-quality three-dimensional images.
So the quality of UAV reconnaissance in the future will depend not on optics, but on software, the width of the communication channel and the speed of computers.

[poquello]

Quote: Shurik70

Software from hundreds of even cheap cameras easily synthesizes high-quality three-dimensional images.

hmm, well, take a simpler task - a hundred recordings from cameras in motion and synthesize on a pc), let's leave the transfer for later

[Shurik70]

There are no hundreds of cameras anywhere.
One or two, maximum

[poquello]

Quote: Shurik70

There are no hundreds of cameras anywhere.
One or two, maximum

so from two, three stationary cameras to synthesize a three-dimensional picture is still an understandable task, and with a hundred in motion IMHO nonsense, I'm talking about this

[Shurik70]

Quote: poquello

so from two, three stationary cameras to synthesize a three-dimensional picture is still understandable tasks

The more frames from different directions, the more detailed the three-dimensional picture. Moreover, China is already trying to implement this

[poquello]

Quote: Shurik70

The more frames from different directions, the more detailed the three-dimensional picture.

and you write or sometimes read

Quote: poquello

take a simpler task - a hundred recordings from cameras in motion and synthesize on a pc,),

Quote: Shurik70

Moreover, China is already trying to implement this.

does not surprise, I raised the locomotive

[Shurik70]

Quote: poquello

and you write or sometimes read
Quote: poquello
take a simpler task - a hundred recordings from cameras in motion and synthesize on a pc,),

I repeat in more detail.
Hundred cameras filming ONE PLACE from DIFFERENT directions allows you to create a high-definition three-dimensional model.
And hundreds of cameras on the roads look at DIFFERENT SECTIONS of the road, so they are useless for such software

[poquello]

[media=https://static.life.ru/publications/2021/9/1/1295469810094.5623.mp4]
something is not inserted, in short, see the drone show in Tsarskoe Selo

Quote: Shurik70

Hundreds of cameras filming ONE PLACE from DIFFERENT directions allows you to create a high-definition three-dimensional model.

You do not understand what you are talking about, so if you shoot one place from these school drones, it will "allow" because the drones are clearly tied to the position, and in dynamics it is necessary to constantly position the place of each drone and the focus of its camera and synthesize all this in a heap)

[ccsr]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Onboard, respectively, compact, lightweight, economical, durable, and yes, it should have stabilization and high-speed drives.

So we had it all - back in 1970, the first UAV jet Tu-143 flew:

The UAV is manufactured according to the tailless design, with a delta wing in the rear and a destabilizer in the front of the fuselage, as well as a vertical tail in the form of a keel. The engine was located at the rear of the fuselage, and its air intake was on top of the fuselage in front of the keel (the channel ran inside the fuselage). The circular fuselage is made of AMG-6, D-16 aluminum alloys and composite materials. In the front part of the fuselage there is the equipment, in the middle part - the fuel tank, in the rear - the power plant. Structurally and technologically, the fuselage consists of 4 compartments: F-1, F-2, F-3 and F-4.
The F-1 compartment was completely removable and was produced in two versions - for photographic reconnaissance or for television, and it was possible to change the composition of the equipment somewhat. The compartment was made of fiberglass and had a window (photo hatch) for the lenses of the corresponding equipment. It was bolted along the contour to the frame No. 3 of the fuselage, and its front part rested on the front end of the rod frame of the compartment.

[svoroponov]

Here the optics, the matrix and the processing module are the main thing, and you can create any wrapper. Our optics were excellent for the military before.
Just dear, so I didn't really go to civilian life. Now I went to civilian life. Even the Americans began to buy devices for face recognition from us, by the way, the Chinese too. And for these devices, optics and image processing for accurate facial recognition is oh, how important.
Well, for those who doubt Russian technology - resolution and image processing - why did the Americans in Afghanistan instead of the terrorist put 12 civilians from the drone? It turns out that you have not considered through what they claim to be the finest optics? And there are plenty of other cases like this.

[ism_ek]

Quote: poquello

"effective in complete darkness in all climatic conditions.
The maximum detection range of an animal and a person is 10-15 km, of a freight transport - up to 40 km. "

This is where size matters)
This device cannot be called a pocket one. (

[poquello]

Quote: ism_ek

Quote: poquello

"effective in complete darkness in all climatic conditions.
The maximum detection range of an animal and a person is 10-15 km, of a freight transport - up to 40 km. "

This is where size matters)
This device cannot be called a pocket one. (

well, yes, definitely not for mobile

[Sirocco]

Whose matrix is ​​it in this device?

[svoroponov]

Russian. The latest drones are all on Russian components.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: ccsr

Even without the Chinese, we were able to create optoelectronic reconnaissance equipment forty years ago, and the best in the world, for space.

We launched optical, not optoelectronic systems into space 40 years ago. And this is a very big difference.
And yes, if everything would be so good with us with this topic, why would our Ministry of Defense adopt drones with both Chinese and even South African systems?

[ccsr]

Quote: Jacket in stock

We launched optical, not optoelectronic systems into space 40 years ago. And this is a very big difference.

What are you talking about, dear, it seems that you do not know at all that we carried out the first LCI of such systems back in the seventies, and then we produced serial satellites with these systems, which supplanted film capsules.

[210ox]

Yes, and why is the domestic drone written in Latin?

[polar fox]

Quote: 210ox

Yes, and why is the domestic drone written in Latin?

patriotic. because ...

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Even without the Chinese, we were able to create optoelectronic reconnaissance means, the best in the world, for space and aviation, including for Soviet drones, even forty years ago.

Yes? Optoelectronic systems in space in the USSR appeared on 28.12.1982/67/4. And before that, the USSR did not have optoelectronic systems in space, but only optical ones. The filmed film was simply thrown to the Earth in special capsules. Moreover, the first satellite was so much "the best in the world," (it lived in orbit for only 21 days) that it took 1986 years to fix the problems and the next device was put into operation only on January XNUMX, XNUMX.
I will modestly keep silent about the imported film for the previous satellites. But the subsequent ones were "the best in the world" and therefore the film from space was thrown off for decades.

And now the cherry on the cake. It was 2006 (TWO THOUSAND SIXTH) year. More precisely 05.05.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX.
On Wednesday evening, a Soyuz-U launch vehicle with a reconnaissance satellite was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. According to Kommersant's information, this device is a modernized "Cobalt-M".


Yesterday at the "Cobalt-M" test checks of the equipment were carried out, after which the satellite will begin photographing areas of the earth's surface under the program of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff. However, the military will not receive the photos right away. First, the filmed film in a special capsule will separate from the "Cobalt-M" and land in the Orenburg steppes. Then it will be delivered to the Space Reconnaissance Center, where, after processing it, specialists will determine exactly what is captured in the images.
kommersant.ru/doc/671333

The upgraded satellite "Cobalt-M" was developed at "TsSKB-Progress" (Samara) on the basis of the "Yantar-70K4" (2F11) device produced since the late 695s and manufactured by JSC "Arsenal" (St. Petersburg). The weight of the device is 6,6 tons. Active life in orbit - 120 days. And after 4 months the film runs out again or the batteries run out?

We will keep quiet about the miniature payload for drones.

[tralflot1832]

And the Russian satellite Canopus tells you something. And in general, the capabilities of satellite reconnaissance are amazing. The photo on the land of Aleksadra (ZFI) is an order of magnitude higher than others. A man can be seen in the shadows.

[Professor]

Quote: tralflot1832

And the Russian satellite Canopus tells you something. And in general, the capabilities of satellite reconnaissance are amazing. The photo on the land of Aleksadra (ZFI) is an order of magnitude higher than others. A man can be seen in the shadows.

Show me where is the photo of the person's shadow?
https://www.roscosmos.ru/25062/

[tralflot1832]

Open the satellite maps of our partners, KANOPUS uploads only photos for free access only in the civilian version, but not in the military. Under Severomorsk 3, I examined my point for a hike for mushrooms. The island is lined with stones.

[Professor]

Quote: tralflot1832

Open the satellite maps of our partners, KANOPUS uploads only photos for free access only in the civilian version, but not in the military. Under Severomorsk 3, I examined my point for a hike for mushrooms. The island is lined with stones.

Your link won't open.

[tralflot1832]

Then marintrafic (Sputnik). Canopus satellite is freely available in Russia.

[Professor]

Quote: tralflot1832

Then marintrafic (Sputnik). Canopus satellite is freely available in Russia.

Your link won't open.

[tralflot1832]

Roskosmos Pictures from Konopus V. The site is extremely uninformative for civilians.

[Professor]

Quote: tralflot1832

Roskosmos Pictures from Konopus V. The site is extremely uninformative for civilians.

Where is the link?

Quote: professor

Quote: tralflot1832

And the Russian satellite Canopus tells you something. And in general, the capabilities of satellite reconnaissance are amazing. The photo on the land of Aleksadra (ZFI) is an order of magnitude higher than others. A man can be seen in the shadows.

Show me where is the photo of the person's shadow?
https://www.roscosmos.ru/25062/

[ism_ek]

Canopus has a resolution of 10m. And calculated, when combining data from different matrices 2 m.
And in general, from space, a shadow from a person can not be discerned in principle.

[tralflot1832]

And why on the land of Alexandra, not only shadows from cars are visible to and from the pillar at sunrise and sunset.

[ism_ek]

Because these are pictures from an airplane))

[tralflot1832]

What kind of plane flew over the ZFI, with our air defense.

[ism_ek]

Quote: tralflot1832

What kind of plane flew over the FFI

The contract was over the open sky

[tralflot1832]

Maybe we need to look at the modernization of the runway, in the photo it has already begun, in the sense of pouring concrete, an additional platform. It is necessary to compare everything in time. But the quality is intriguing, even in marine traffic.

[ccsr]

Quote: tralflot1832

And why on the land of Alexandra, not only shadows from cars are visible to and from the pillar at sunrise and sunset.

At 30 cm resolution, this is quite a normal result - we were able to do this back in the 60s and 70s. The question is about the quality of the training of decryptors - only they can correctly identify objects, and they were specially taught this. By the way, 30 cm resolution is too redundant for reconnaissance - a small surface capture is obtained, that's why they didn't really chase after details, relying on the visibility of the image.

[purple]

Well, yes "the professor of sour cabbage soup lives in 2006"
There is such a category of people ... only to screw something up, but they themselves have never done anything, they just learned and grew up for free ... one achievement in the asset, they were dumped from the country in difficult times ...
Good luck ...

[tralflot1832]

And then they envy with black envy, I agree.

[Professor]

Quote: purple

Well, yes "the professor of sour cabbage soup lives in 2006"

Not at all. I am aware of the achievements of the national economy and posted several articles on this topic.

Quote: purple

There is such a category of people ... only to mess with something, but they themselves have never done anything, they just learned and grew up for free ... one achievement in the asset, piled out of the country in difficult times...

1. Do not cheat, but conduct an educational program.
2. I did something myself in the sense of scientific articles and patents
3. My parents and their parents paid for my education.
4. This is ALWAYS difficult times. There is no other way.

Quote: purple

Good luck ...

Thanks. Has already.

[ism_ek]

This is the case when the half-truth is worse than the truth. Remote sensing of the earth in the early years, and even now, is carried out mainly in the radio range. The first satellites of Celina were launched in the 60s. In the 70s, the Legend naval target designation system was created. They all transmitted information in real time.
Due to the peculiarities of the atmosphere, resolution in the optical range is better than 0.5m. (

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

The filmed film was simply thrown to Earth in special capsules. Moreover, the first satellite was so much "the best in the world," (it lived in orbit for only 67 days) that it took 4 years to fix the problems and the next device was put into operation only on January 21, 1986.

Lying, as always, "professor", because in the seventies they tested a system with the development of photographic materials on board and the transmission of negative over the radio channel, and there is no need to fantasize about the dates of adoption of various systems.
And you lied about 1986:

Yantar-Terylene (launched on 28.12.1982) became the first Russian digital reconnaissance platform transmitting collected data via satellites-repeaters of the Potok type to a ground station in close to real time.

https://topwar.ru/37962-kosmicheskie-razvedchikisovetskie-i-rossiyskie-sputniki-shpiony.html

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Lying, as always, "professor", because in the seventies they tested a system with the development of photographic materials on board and the transmission of negative over the radio channel, and there is no need to fantasize about the dates of adoption of various systems.

Experienced? I'm testing a perpetual motion machine ...

Quote: ccsr

And you lied about 1986:

And you also don’t know how to read:
Yes? Optoelectronic systems in space in the USSR appeared on 28.12.1982/67/4. And before that, the USSR did not have optoelectronic systems in space, but only optical ones. The filmed film was simply thrown to the Earth in special capsules. Moreover, the first satellite was so much "the best in the world," (lived in orbit for only XNUMX days) that it took XNUMX years to fix the problems and the next device was put into operation only on January 21, 1986.
I will modestly keep silent about the imported film for the previous satellites. But the subsequent ones were "the best in the world" and therefore the film from space was thrown off for decades.

On Wednesday evening, a Soyuz-U launch vehicle with a reconnaissance satellite was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome. According to Kommersant's information, this device is a modernized "Cobalt-M".

Yesterday, test checks of the equipment were carried out on the "Cobalt-M", after which the satellite will begin photographing areas of the earth's surface according to the program of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff. However, the military will not get the photos right away. First shot film in a special capsule it will separate from "Cobalt-M" and land in the Orenburg steppes.

Film, Karl. In 2006, the film ..........................

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Experienced? I'm testing a perpetual motion machine ...

I took part in these flight tests, which is why, unlike you, I know the topic, and I do not fantasize like you. You'd better keep testing the perpetual motion machine - that's your part ...

Quote: professor

I will modestly keep silent about the imported film for the previous satellites.

And this is a vile lie - the tape was only ours, I was holding it in my hands. Imported ones were allowed to be used in joint flights if the photographic equipment was jointly developed in civil space.

Quote: professor

But the subsequent ones were "the best in the world" and therefore the film from space was thrown off for decades.

As I understand it, you have never had anything to do with photography, which is why you don’t understand what high-quality pictures are. But I will enlighten you in the form of an educational program - take old pre-revolutionary photographs from portable cameras and compare them with modern film photographs. Maybe then you can guess why wide-format film has been used for so long in satellite reconnaissance.

Quote: professor

However, the military will not get the photos right away. First, the filmed film in a special capsule will separate from the "Cobalt-M" and land in the Orenburg steppes.

This was in the sixties, and it existed even when normal photographs were already received from the board in real time.

Quote: professor

Film, Karl. In 2006, the film.

You are definitely illiterate - you used it in some situations, and for normal operational work you used materials from optical-electronic reconnaissance satellites.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

I participated in these flight design trials, that's why, unlike you, I know the topic, and I do not fantasize like you. You'd better keep testing the perpetual motion machine - that's your part ...

What fantasies? I spend Test perpetual motion machine. The results will be the same as your tests.

Quote: ccsr

And this is a vile lie - the tape was only ours, I held it in my hands... Imported ones were allowed to be used in joint flights if the photographic equipment was jointly developed in civil space.

Which film? After all, you have tested the opto-electronic satellite from your words. There is no tape, CEP.

Quote: ccsr

As I understand it, you have never had anything to do with photography, which is why you don’t understand what high-quality pictures are. But I will enlighten you in the form of an educational program - take old pre-revolutionary photographs from portable cameras and compare them with modern film photographs. Maybe then you can guess why wide-format film has been used for so long in satellite reconnaissance.

The photo? Well, what are you. I only have a degree in electro-optics. What do you say was the grain size on the pre-revolutionary film and what is the pixel size on the matrix?
Don't merge quickly.

Quote: ccsr

This was in the sixties, and it existed even when normal photographs were already received from the board in real time.

Again. Read carefully. Launch of satellite with film in May 2006, Karl. I even wrote to you in words. What are the sixties? The FIRST optical-electronic satellite in the USSR was launched in 1982. This is your own link. Before that, there was no question of any real mode. Film, descent capsule, development and decoding.

Quote: ccsr

You are definitely illiterate - you used it in some situations, and for normal operational work you used materials from optical-electronic reconnaissance satellites.

Again you got into a puddle. The satellite with the film was launched in the Russian Federation in 2006, and before that there was not a single Russian spy in orbit for 6 (SIX) years.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/991304

The best in the world.
https://ria.ru/20090310/164314480.html
Russian photo intelligence is still shortsighted

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Which film? After all, you have tested the opto-electronic satellite from your words. There is no tape, CEP.

You are simply not in the subject of what a photo storage is, films are stored there for decades. Yes, and I participated in different tests, which is why, unlike you, I am not talking nonsense.

Quote: professor

The photo? Well, what are you. I only have a degree in electro-optics.

Probably, you bought it in the underground passage on Komsomolskaya Square, judging by your "knowledge" - there you could buy the member correspondence crusts, it's a pity that you were stingy with it.

Quote: professor

What are the sixties? The FIRST optical-electronic satellite in the USSR was launched in 1982. This is your own link.

In fact, the tests have been going on since 1976, you, like the author of the article, are simply not in the subject, so do not fool people.

Quote: professor

The satellite with the film was launched in the Russian Federation in 2006, and before that there was not a single Russian spy in orbit for 6 (SIX) years.

Once again, for the illiterate, satellites were launched with film only for a certain situation, and the usual work with round-the-clock information retrieval from an optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite has been going on since 1982. If there were any interruptions, it was only because they regretted the money and did not launch the satellites in storage. Here's from your article:

In addition to the DFR devices, optical-electronic reconnaissance (OER) satellites of the Yantar family were also launched, which did not need to return a material information carrier (film) to Earth, and therefore were not equipped with landing capsules.

These satellites were constantly in orbit, but there was a certain hiatus in launches due to funding, although the satellites themselves were in storage.

Quote: professor

Again you got into a puddle.

No, it’s you who sit in it all the time because of your irrepressible desire to become famous as a “professor”, whom hardly anyone here considers you to be.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

You are simply not in the subject of what a photo storage is, films are stored there for decades. Yes, and I participated in different tests, which is why, unlike you, I am not talking nonsense.

Are we talking about ancient films or electro-optics? You will decide, otherwise you are "the best in the world", but you launch film satellites already in 2006 for not having digital ones, you take part in digital technologies, but you hold the film in your hands ... you get confused in the readings. Age?

Quote: ccsr

Probably, you bought it in the underground passage on Komsomolskaya Square, judging by your "knowledge" - there you could buy the member correspondence crusts, it's a pity that you were stingy with it.

It was there that he acquired, However, it is not about me, but your companions. So what is the resolution of the pre-revolutionary photographs? What is the grain size?

Quote: ccsr

Once again, for the illiterate, satellites were launched with film only for a certain situation, and the usual work with round-the-clock information retrieval from an optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite has been going on since 1982. If there were any interruptions, it was only because they regretted the money and did not launch the satellites in storage. Here's from your article:

Take your glasses already and read carefully the links. I chew for the last time. In 1982, they launched an unsuccessful digital satellite that had lived in orbit for a couple of months. In 1986 they tried again and failed again. The satellite turned out to be "disposable". Americans have had digital satellites since 1976. I will not say anything about the lifespan of their companions.
Since 200x, the Russian Federation did not have spy satellites in orbit for 6 years, and in 2006 they launched a film satellite again. 1960s technology rules.
Learn materiel: https://sovzond.ru/press-center/news/dzz/7571/

Quote: ccsr

These satellites were constantly in orbit, but there was a certain hiatus in launches due to funding, although the satellites themselves were in storage.

Are you having trouble reading?
https://ria.ru/20090310/164314480.html
Russian photo intelligence is still shortsighted

Quote: ccsr

No, it’s you who sit in it all the time because of your irrepressible desire to become famous as a “professor”, whom hardly anyone here considers you to be.

Film satellite launch in May 2006, Karl. The best in the world.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Are we talking about ancient films or electro-optics?

You are simply a dense man in this matter - it was all in one system, and even in one part of this system, the most advanced in the USSR at that time in terms of intellectual developments in space reconnaissance.

Quote: professor

It was there that I acquired

It catches your eye ...

Quote: professor

Launch of satellite with film in May 2006, Karl. The best in the world.

You really do not adequately understand this information, because until now you did not understand that it was launched not because there was nothing to conduct optical-electronic reconnaissance, but purely on order - such a task was set, so they used the film. This is about the same as your trip to a photo studio to take pictures of the whole family on a glass plate coated with silver salts, for example, and constantly photographing with a digital camera with which you shoot hundreds of pictures all year round without any film.
Maybe, using this example, you will assume that there is a difference, otherwise you will remain illiterate in matters of photography.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

You are simply a dense man in this matter - it was all in one system, and even in one part of this system, the most advanced in the USSR at that time in terms of intellectual developments in space reconnaissance.

Yes Yes. "The world's best" digital photography systems that contain photographic film. Super advanced. It's a pity the horse-drawn traction was not introduced.

So what is the resolution of the pre-revolutionary photographs? What is the grain size? Merged?

Quote: ccsr

You really do not adequately understand this information, because until now you did not understand that it was launched not because there was nothing to conduct optical-electronic reconnaissance, but purely on order - such a task was set, so they used the film. This is about the same as your trip to a photo studio to take pictures of the whole family on a glass plate coated with silver salts, for example, and constantly photographing with a digital camera with which you shoot hundreds of pictures all year round without any film.
Maybe, using this example, you will assume that there is a difference, otherwise you will remain illiterate in matters of photography.

Yes, we all understood. There were no spy satellites at all for 6 years and only a film satellite with a life span of 4 months was barely able to launch. Victory!!! The best in the world"

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Yes Yes. "The world's best" digital photography systems that contain photographic film. Super advanced. It's a pity the horse-drawn traction was not introduced.

You are definitely illiterate, because you did not use film in digital photography. There was a digital communication channel, when the developed negative was transmitted from the board to the ground, but this system did not receive distribution, because the tests of optoelectronic reconnaissance systems began. What a mess in your head in these matters, in vain you pose as a specialist, this is definitely not yours.

Quote: professor

So what is the resolution of the pre-revolutionary photographs? What is the grain size? Merged?

I was not even interested, but the quality of the images is excellent, not the same as that of 35 mm films and cropped digital photographic equipment.

Quote: professor

Yes, we all understood.

Figs you understand - the version of your knowledge turned out to be greatly exaggerated.

Quote: professor

There were no spy satellites at all for 6 years and only a film satellite with a lifespan of 4 months was barely able to launch. Victory!!! The best in the world"

You are definitely a chatterbox - then the issue with the carriers was a problem, and optical-electronic reconnaissance satellites existed for the threatened period, but you do not know what a mob reserve is. And filming could have been made by order of Israel - the Israelis did not have their space images of the 60-70s and tried in every possible way to get them in Russia, including, allegedly, for comparison with modern ones and those that were made earlier. We know how you recruited our former officers to sell you satellite photographic materials, so you don't whistle about our achievements. I think the experts will laugh at you again, which has already happened more than once ...

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

You are definitely illiterate, because you did not use film in digital photography. There was a digital communication channel, when the developed negative was transmitted from the board to the ground, but this system did not receive distribution, because the tests of optoelectronic reconnaissance systems began. What a mess in your head in these matters, in vain you pose as a specialist, this is definitely not yours.

Well, I’m talking about that. Digital camera with film. Nobel Prize. I'm embarrassed to ask about the ingenious idea to drag a darkroom into orbit, develop a film there, scan it and send a digital copy to Earth, does anyone know?

It's like stealing a box of vodka, draining the vodka, handing over the bottles, drinking money on drink.

Why was the film still dropped to Earth and picked up there? She's no longer needed ...

Quote: ccsr

I was not even interested, but the quality of the images is excellent, not the same as that of 35 mm films and cropped digital photographic equipment.

And you ask before you write nonsense.

Quote: ccsr

Figs you understand - the version of your knowledge turned out to be greatly exaggerated.

Yes, we understood everything and everything. There were no spy satellites at all for 6 years and only a film satellite with a lifespan of 4 months was barely able to launch. Victory!!! The best in the world. ”Israel then had spy satellites in orbit, while the Russian Federation did not.

Quote: ccsr

You are definitely a chatterbox - then the issue with the carriers was a problem, and optical-electronic reconnaissance satellites existed for the threatened period, but you do not know what a mob reserve is. And filming could have been made by order of Israel - the Israelis did not have their space images of the 60-70s and tried in every possible way to get them in Russia, including, allegedly, for comparison with modern ones and those that were made earlier. We know how you recruited our former officers to sell you satellite photographic materials, so you don't whistle about our achievements. I think the experts will laugh at you again, which has already happened more than once ...

1. Was there a problem with the carriers and therefore launched a satellite that lives in orbit not for years, but only 127 days? And after all this, am I a chatterbox?
2. Israel has its own electro-optical space reconnaissance equipment and does not need ancient film satellites. Moreover, Israel is successfully exporting these technologies. For example Italy and India. The most interesting thing is that it is Israeli digital commercial space images that appear in the public domain the very next day after the air strikes in Syria.

But ... Israeli satellites are not "the best in the world" (the first was launched in 1988, only 6 years later than in the USSR). They're just workhorses.

This is where we will end. You have amused me nicely today.

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Quote: professor

Well, I’m talking about that. Digital camera with film. Nobel Prize.

There were none and I did not speak about it - this is just a figment of your excited imagination, which you are trying to attribute to me. In fact, there were different types of reconnaissance satellites, and at the same time - both film and with optical-electronic equipment.

Quote: professor

1. Was there a problem with the carriers and therefore launched a satellite that lives in orbit not for years, but only 127 days? And after all this, am I a chatterbox?

Of course, you are an ordinary chatterbox, because you do not need a long stay in orbit of film satellites, which is why they are easier. And they launched it not out of need, but on order, but you are so dense in these matters that you still don’t understand a stake on your head.

Quote: professor

2. Israel has its own electro-optical space reconnaissance equipment and does not need ancient film satellites.

You have nothing - these are all American developments. By the way, your term "electro-optical" once again shows your denseness - there is no such term, and experts will confirm it to you. But of course you attribute them to yourself, and you cannot explain why you tried to buy our pictures. That's the whole price for your companions ...

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But ... Israeli satellites are not "the best in the world" (the first was launched in 1988, only 6 years later than in the USSR). They're just workhorses.

It was an American technique, and you were only pretending that it was yours. It was the same with the Israeli satellite communication stations that Motorola gave you. You will tell your fairy tales to the Israelites - our people do not take your word for a long time.

[Professor]

Have you decided to continue to entertain? Why not? After a morning run, he returned from the sea. Free time, too, the sea. Vacation, sukot, I'm ready to continue.

1. Satellite with film and scanner. Not your fantasies? nevertheless, the first Soviet satellite with a digital camera was launched in 1982. Fiasco. 4 years of work on errors and the second satellite only in 1986. The first Israeli was in 1988 and it turned out to be successful.
2. The film satellite lives in orbit for a little, not because "it is necessary", and not because of a good life. Stupidly, the amount of film is limited, as is the number of capsules to be launched. As a result, a satellite worth hundreds of billions of dollars in a couple of months becomes a cumbersome metal. And if there is a problem with the availability of carriers, then launching a satellite for 120 days, and not for 7 years, is the height of stupidity.
3. It will be a discovery for you, but the Americans do not export space technology even to their closest allies. That is why Italy, a NATO country "acquired a satellite not from the United States, but from Israel. And therefore Israel became the 8th power to launch its satellite on its carrier. And again, Israel had reconnaissance satellites in orbit, while the Russian Federation in for 6 years there has not been a single such. ”About the United States we will modestly keep silent.
4. The term "electro-optics" is not mine. Unfortunately. By the way, I have published on this topic in Applied Optics. Where are you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro-optics
Your sites:
http://www.electrooptika.ru/
https://sbis.ru/contragents/7718878771/771801001

And yet, there is no term, but there are scientific articles with this term.
http://www.mathnet.ru/links/1f1858c476b3adda7b35b0f5fe31c7d7/qe11268.pdf

5. I'm not going to explain your fantasies about how the Israeli authorities allegedly tried to buy your pictures. Can you back up these fantasies with links? A rhetorical question.

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Quote: professor

1. Satellite with film and scanner. Not your fantasies?

Not a satellite, but a system was tested - it was installed on Almazy, you dense, when the question of which direction to choose when developing new reconnaissance systems was being decided.

Quote: professor

... As a result, a satellite worth hundreds of billions of dollars in a couple of months becomes a round metal.

You are delusional - there were no such prices. As for the short-term, it was determined by operational tasks, which is why the film could not be kept on board for a long time, and was dropped in cassettes.

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... And so Israel became the 8th power to launch its satellite on its own carrier. And again, Israel had reconnaissance satellites in orbit, while the Russian Federation did not have a single one for 6 years. We will modestly keep silent about the United States.

Your verbiage just confirms your ignorance - it was precisely because of the restrictions on the transfer of military technologies that forced the United States to use Israel as a gasket, and you are here telling us about the success of the Israelis' satellite programs. There were never them and they are not now. By the way, the USSR, being in the Warsaw Pact, also did not supply a huge amount of weapons and equipment to the countries of this bloc. But for example, I used Bulgaria for the production of some secret equipment under a license, in order to then supply it to other countries, but you do not know that.

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4. The term "electro-optics" is not mine. Unfortunately.

This shows your ignorance - to use dubious terms without understanding their essence. The laser has something to do with when it comes to optical-electronic reconnaissance systems - push your strength, come up with an excuse ...

Quote: professor

I'm not going to explain your fantasies about how the Israeli authorities allegedly tried to buy your pictures.

These are not fantasies, but only your ignorance:

Colonel Alexander Volkov was entrusted with such commercial activities in the Center. He was considered a leading specialist in the field of space reconnaissance technology and was entrusted with the fulfillment of a duty unusual for an officer. He had to agree with the relevant services on the degree of secrecy of each slide and sell only authorized ones.
Among Volkov's regular clients was an adviser to the Israeli embassy, ​​Ruven Dinel. To meet with him, Volkov asked permission from his leadership. The Israelis were primarily interested in pictures of Syria, Iran, Iraq and Israel itself. He bought dozens of them, and Volkov took the currency received from him to the accounting department of the Center. In fact, Ruven Dinel was a career Israeli intelligence officer.
.....

The traitor was caught red-handed during another meeting with Reuven Dinel. He gave the Israeli intelligence officer new secret slides. Following Volkov, members of his criminal group, Sporyshev and Tkachenko, were detained. "Diplomat" Dinel was expelled from Russia.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/spy/kak-sovetnik-izrailskogo-posolstva-zaverboval-v-moskve-oficera-centra-kosmicheskoi-razvedki-gru-5c7a8ac3deeacc00b31e3f36
You can start puffing up your cheeks from the "successes" of your intelligence, though the whole thing was quickly stopped, tk. caught your spy red-handed.

[Professor]

1. Not a satellite, but a system at the testing stage? I was right. The result is the same as with my Perpetual motion machine. Almost works.

2. Yantar-4K2M (GUKOS index - 11F695M, project code "Cobalt-M") is a series of specialized satellites for view reconnaissance, used for observation systems and detailed photography of the earth's surface. Developed by TsSKB-Progress (Samara) and manufactured by Arsenal OJSC (St. Petersburg). The cost of one satellite (Cosmos-2480) - 1 billion rubles.
Launching a satellite with a mass 6,6 t?
The cost of launching a satellite weighing up to 8,0 tons to the GPO is set at $ 90 million, thus the cost of launching 1 kg of payload will be $ 11.
Here's how much it cost to launch a film satellite into orbit.

By the way, this one-time satellite with a film worth a billion rubles was launched for the last time. ATTENTION!!! in 2015. With tape, Karl.

3.It has already become a discovery for you, but the Americans do not export space technologies even to their closest allies? That is why Italy, a NATO country "acquired the satellite not from the United States, but from Israel. And therefore Israel became the 8th his satellite on his carrier. And again, Israel had reconnaissance satellites in orbit, while the Russian Federation did not have a single one for 6 years. We will modestly keep silent about the United States.
This is the materiel.

4. And more about electro-optics on reconnaissance satellites.
https://www.7kanal.co.il/News/News.aspx/222910
Three months after the successful launch into space of an Israeli electro-optical reconnaissance satellite Ofek-16 engineering teams from the Office of Space Administration, Defense Research and Development (DDR & D), the Israeli Ministry of Defense (IMoD) and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) have completed the planned process of testing the satellite and preparing it for operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69gPfyC0NQw
The "specialists" nervously smoke bamboo. There is no such term, but there is a satellite.

5. 'Thus, Volkov himself proposed such cooperation.". but how he dug a tunnel to England, he also confessed?

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Quote: professor

By the way, this one-time satellite with a film worth a billion rubles was launched for the last time ATTENTION !!! in 2015. With tape, Karl.

and at 21m with a film will be launched - will you also yell? They tried to explain to you the difference between vinyl and CD-disc - you don't understand in any way.

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

and at 21m with a film will be launched - will you also yell? They tried to explain to you the difference between vinyl and CD-disc - you don't understand in any way.

If, in 2021, a film disposable satellite of 1960s technologies is launched for hundreds of millions of dollars, then I would be very surprised.

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Quote: professor

If a film disposable satellite of 2021s technologies is launched in 1960

technology 1835

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Quote: professor

1. Not a satellite, but a system at the testing stage? I was right.

Yes nifiga you are wrong, because you do not understand the essence of these developments and why the option with film development in orbit was chosen for testing, and why it was abandoned, leaving only film and optoelectronic systems.

Quote: professor

By the way, this one-time satellite with a film worth a billion rubles was launched for the last time ATTENTION !!! in 2015. With tape, Karl.

This is only $ 17 million, which is a mere penny for space development - you are just a balabol, a fake "professor", taking into account the fact that the carrier itself was worth $ 90 million, according to your own statements.
Moreover, because of your ignorance, you did not understand that the satellites were not launched, not because they could not be created (they were already mass-produced), but simply that money was not allocated for satellites thanks to Serdyukov's reforms. And this is a completely different matter.

Quote: professor

And so Israel became the 8th power to launch its satellite on its own carrier.

Without an American, you couldn't create and launch anything at all, and your companions weren't even on a par with ours. Even the Americans admitted that our film shots were the best in the world, and it was not for nothing that Israeli spies hunted them down.

Quote: professor

The "specialists" nervously smoke bamboo. There is no such term, but there is a satellite

Experts do not use such a term - and this is a fact, as well as the fact that you do not belong to them. So they found it on Google, and put it in the wrong place - this is your level of "professor" from the yeshiva, it's not for nothing that they laugh at you here.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Yes nifiga you are wrong, because you do not understand the essence of these developments and why the option with film development in orbit was chosen for testing, and why it was abandoned, leaving only film and optoelectronic systems.

Yes, I understand everything. We tried to create an electric car where electricity is generated by horse-drawn traction, but in a "strange way" the system turned out to be ineffective.

Quote: ccsr

It's just $ 17 million, that for space development, sheer pennies - you are just a balabol, a fake "professor", given that the carrier itself cost $ 90 million according to your own statements.
Moreover, because of your ignorance, you did not understand that the satellites were not launched, not because they could not be created (they were already mass-produced), but simply that money was not allocated for satellites thanks to Serdyukov's reforms. And this is a completely different matter.

It’s strange to hear about illiteracy from a person who doesn’t even know how to use a calculator. Educational program: $ 11250х6500 = $ 73,125,000. Not 17, but 73 million dollars to launch a disposable film camera. The camera itself is another billion rubles. By the way, this launch also ended in a fiasco. The satellite dropped 2 captured cassettes to the Earth, and the bulk of the captured film had to land with the satellite itself. But ... the separated engines entered US airspace, causing an international scandal. Fortunately, no one on Earth was hurt. Further more interesting. The satellite itself was supposed to land in the Orenburg region. His searches took place for several months, but were not crowned with success (you see, Israeli spies picked him up to you). After the termination of the search, it was stated that the satellite "apparently" burned out in the atmosphere. "Apparently," Karl. There was no telemetry on the satellite? He was not led from Earth? Wasn't there a dull beacon on it?

If I were Serdyukov, I wouldn’t give a penny for that either.

Quote: ccsr

Without an American, you couldn't create and launch anything at all, and your companions weren't even on a par with ours. Even the Americans admitted that our film shots were the best in the world, and it was not for nothing that Israeli spies hunted them down.

I will not comment on these fantasies of yours anymore. My answers are above.

Quote: ccsr

Experts do not use such a term - and this is a fact, as well as the fact that you do not belong to them. So they found it on Google, and put it in the wrong place - this is your level of "professor" from the yeshiva, it's not for nothing that they laugh at you here.

"experts" like you don't. Rest:
https://www.7kanal.co.il/News/News.aspx/222910
Three months after the successful launch into space of an Israeli electro-optical reconnaissance satellite Ofek-16 engineering teams from the Office of Space Administration, Defense Research and Development (DDR & D), the Israeli Ministry of Defense (IMoD) and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) have completed the planned process of testing the satellite and preparing it for operation.


https://www.electrooptics.com/

There is no term, but the export of electro-optical systems for billions of dollars is there.
https://elbitsystems.com/products/electro-optics-systems/

And on the road:
https://www.science.co.il/companies/Electronics.php?s=elop

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Quote: professor

Educational program: $ 11250х6500 = $ 73,125,000. Not $ 17, but $ 73 million to launch a disposable film camera.

And who wrote:

Quote: professor

Developed by TsSKB-Progress (Samara) and manufactured by Arsenal OJSC (St. Petersburg). The cost of one satellite (Cosmos-2480) is 1 billion rubles.

Divide 1 billion at the then exchange rate and you will see that it was worth $ 17 million. It looks like you are not good at mathematics either, "professor" ...
And you indicated the cost of the media itself:

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The cost of launching a satellite with a mass of up to 8,0 tons to the GPO set at US $ 90 million,

Something your math doesn't work at all, go to school and study ...

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The satellite dropped 2 footage cassettes to Earth,

So, because of these two cassettes, they ordered the satellite itself - you are a complete amateur here too, because do not know how it all happens.

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After the termination of the search, it was stated that the satellite "apparently" burned out in the atmosphere. "Apparently," Karl.

He did not interest anyone at all, after they received what they needed on two cassettes, so there was no point in spending money on finding him, so they made a stuffing for amateurs.

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If I were Serdyukov, I wouldn’t give a penny for that either.

And who told you that Serdyukov was the customer for these films - did they come up with it themselves, or did they just lie? Maybe Israel paid for the entire cost of this launch and the satellite itself, because it could not get the required permission on its images? You just suck in this matter, although you boast in front of the whole world about your achievements.

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Three months after the successful launch into space of the Israeli electro-optical reconnaissance satellite "Ofek-16"

So this is an illiterate Israeli journalist who wrote, and you bought into it "professor". And after that you want to be taken seriously?

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Divide 1 billion at the then exchange rate and you will see that it was worth $ 17 million. It looks like you are not good at mathematics either, "professor" ...

Divided. $ 17M doesn’t work.

Quote: ccsr

The cost of launching a satellite with a mass of up to 8,0 tons to the GPO is set at $ 90 million,

Something your math doesn't work at all, go to school and study ...

And here you are in a puddle. The mass of the satellite is not 8 tons, but 6.5, as I indicated earlier. Accordingly, the cost of delivery of this film camera to orbit.

Quote: ccsr

So, because of these two cassettes, they ordered the satellite itself - you are a complete amateur here too, because do not know how it all happens.

I believe. Satellite for a billion and delivery for $ 70M for two cassettes, and it was so conceived to lose the main part of the filmed film. Mossad was helped.

Quote: ccsr

He did not interest anyone at all, after they received what they needed on two cassettes, so there was no point in spending money on finding him, so they made a stuffing for amateurs.

Fox and grape.
There was no telemetry on the satellite? He was not led from Earth? Wasn't there a dull beacon on it? "The best in the world". Looking for a third cassette on ebay? Maybe she's already there?

Quote: ccsr

And who told you that Serdyukov was the customer for these films - did they come up with it themselves, or did they just lie? Maybe Israel paid for the entire cost of this launch and the satellite itself, because it could not get the required permission on its images? You just suck in this matter, although you boast in front of the whole world about your achievements.

Maybe? Your military companions were paid by your Ministry of Defense, headed by your Serdyukov.
https://texnomaniya.ru/voennaya-texnika/minoboroni-zakazalo-5-sputnikov-shpionov.html

Quote: ccsr

So this is an illiterate Israeli journalist who wrote, and you bought into it "professor". And after that you want to be taken seriously?

Yes. And this too:
https://www.electrooptics.com/

There is no term, but the export of electro-optical systems for billions of dollars is there. wink
https://elbitsystems.com/products/electro-optics-systems/

And on the road:
https://www.science.co.il/companies/Electronics.php?s=elop

PS
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3049019
Capturing images from spacecraft since the mid-1990s has been one of the weakest points of the space forces: Soviet satellites of the "Neman" type worked in orbit for no more than one and a half years, while the warranty period for the operation of the American Crystal and Improved Crystal reached ten yearsт.
One and a half years and ten years. TEN YEARS, Karl "The best in the world."

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Quote: professor

Divided. $ 17M doesn’t work.

As if you are a weakling in math, or you forgot what you wrote before:

Quote: professor

By the way, this one-time satellite with a film worth a billion rubles was launched for the last time ATTENTION !!! in 2015. With tape, Karl.

The dollar exchange rate in 2015 is 61 rubles. - Was it difficult to search in Google? And now the calculator is in hand, and count ...

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Mossad was helped.

So the Mossad paid - why feel sorry for him. Moreover, it was the Israelis who were showered with what they lost, but in fact they used it completely - but you cannot endure this before.

Quote: professor

There was no telemetry on the satellite? He was not led from Earth? Wasn't there a dull beacon on it? "The best in the world". Looking for a third cassette on ebay? Maybe she's already there?

She has been in the GRU for a long time, so do not worry, as well as copies of those that were given to you for your money.

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Maybe? Your military companions were paid by your Ministry of Defense, headed by your Serdyukov.

It is not at all necessary, because other structures could have been the customer, they transferred money to the MO - you are simply not in the subject of how such orders are paid.

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https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3049019
Capturing images from spacecraft since the mid-1990s has been one of the weakest points of the space forces:

Complete nonsense - the space forces did not receive pictures from spacecraft at all - you are just an amateur in these matters, so you buy into journalistic chatter. Domestic intelligence satellites were the best in the world at that time - and the Americans recognized this.

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Soviet satellites of the "Neman" type operated in orbit for no more than one and a half years, while the guaranteed service life of the American Crystal and Improved Crystal reached ten years.

Again, sheer nonsense, if only because in ten years at least two or three times the resolving capabilities of satellites will change due to new matrices, they are modernized more than once, and therefore only fools would think of keeping an old satellite for ten years. You at least occasionally turn on your brains, and critically assess the stupidity that you are citing here.

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One and a half years and ten years. TEN YEARS, Karl "The best in the world."

Only a complete fool does not understand that the shorter the period of being in orbit of the satellite, the less working fluid is needed for it, which means that more equipment can be placed in it with a lower weight of the entire satellite. Moreover, low-orbit satellites are constantly bombarded with micro-debris and the surface of their optics becomes cloudy, so this reduces the quality of the materials obtained. In general, you are definitely not a "professor" since you just lack critical thinking and for you the main source is Israeli propaganda.
PS Study the information about the Russian matryoshka satellite - the Americans have already put them in their pants, but don't panic, we are for peace ...

[Professor]

1. I wonder how you get 1 billion rubles is $ 17 million? You must be a financial genius. Your cost is at the launch rate, not the order. You write that "The dollar rate in 2015 is 61 rubles." but 1 / 000 = 000, Cap. Is it 000. the calculator is frozen?
2. In fact, the story with this satellite is entertaining and was described in National Interest. "The control of the Russian spy satellite was intercepted over the Atlantic Ocean. He was forced to enter the atmosphere out of order. As a result, the satellite's engines entered US airspace and partially burned out there, but the payload in the form of a filmed film located in a refractory capsule instead of the Orenburg region landed on It is not known for certain who picked it up there, but the coincidental attack by the Israeli Air Force against the Syrian air defense systems indicates an operation to provide helicopter access for the evacuation of special forces. The authors also note the strange finding of the Israeli ship Karin A in the Atlantic Ocean. Previously, this ship was seized by the Israeli special forces Shaetet 669 and subsequently allegedly sunk. The authors wonder why Israel needed a satellite payload and they turned to the journalist Ishay Ben-Aviv, who has extensive ties with Israel. by which defense structures.
There were two goals:
- Determine the resolution of Russian satellites to know exactly what they can see from space.
- Access footage to hide secret trials in the Negev desert. It was on this film that images could be found that should not have fallen into the hands of the Kremlin.
The situation with the satellite threatened to affect relations between the Russian Federation and Israel, and despite the fact that there was no direct evidence of Israel's involvement (the special forces left no trace, and Karin A sank), the Israeli Prime Minister personally flew to the Russian President to settle the conflict.
Officials in Jerusalem have traditionally declined to comment. "
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/who-took-control-on-russian-satelite-175694
3. It was the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that paid for these satellites. Link above. Say hello to Serdyukov.
4. Well, yes. Everybody lies only you tell the truth. "Domestic reconnaissance satellites were the best in the world at that time - and the Americans admitted this."Where did they admit this if their satellites transmit information to Earth in real time and live at the same time for 10 years, and yours with films and live no more than one and a half years?
Moreover, you only plan to put into orbit a satellite with a mirror with a diameter of 2 meters https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3049019, and the bourgeois have satellites with a mirror with a diameter of 2.4 meters for a long time. Do you know what this means? By the way, I learned Optics from Professor Lipson. And you? https://phys.technion.ac.il/en/people/person/29
5. Americans, of course, are fools and keep a modern satellite in orbit for 10 years, having spent one time on launch. You are another matter. You send 10 ancient film satellites into orbit in 10 years, spending on it not one rocket like stupid Americans, but 10 rockets. By the way, film Kodokovskaya and Svema?
6. Of course, the film does not live in orbit for a long time - it is illuminated. Another thing is the matrix of CCD or SiMOS. It is periodically calibrated right in orbit. I vividly imagined how the optics on the Hubble telescope became clouded in 31 years, 4 months and 29 days. [bТ] RIDING ONE YEAR, Karl. [/ b] Probably because the Americans do not wipe the "optical axis" with alcohol, but drink this alcohol. The main thing is not to tell the Americans this, otherwise they will die laughing about the clouded optics on the Hable. You smiled at me.
And further. your one-time companion weighed 6.5 tons. Somehow not a little "working body". Or maybe just "Soviet microcircuits are the largest in the world"?
7. Shall we continue laughing at "the best in the world"?
https://texnomaniya.ru/voennaya-texnika/minoboroni-zakazalo-5-sputnikov-shpionov.html
The Ministry of Defense ordered 5 spy satellites
There are three companies that can supply the payload: Israeli Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), European EADS and Italian Thales Alenia Space. In turn, Khartov added - “When choosing a supplier, we were interested in cost, risks and delivery time, as well as the company's agreement to transfer technology to Russia ".
I passed out from what I read. I woke up with difficulty. RF wanted to buy a reconnaissance satellite in Israel? RF in Israel? In Israel, Karl? Where is my Validol ?????

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Quote: professor

"The dollar exchange rate in 2015 is 61 rubles." but 1 / 000 = 000, Cap. Is it 000. the calculator is frozen?

This is an average annual rate, which is why I gave a large figure specifically for you instead of 16,3, so that later you would not reproach me for underestimating the cost of the satellite. But you definitely lied about the super-expensive satellite. And you do not take into account other overhead costs - everything is clear with you "expert".

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In fact, the story with this satellite is entertaining and was described in National Interest.

This may be an authoritative publication for the Israelis, but not for those who have an idea of ​​our developments and tests. For example, you have no idea about this at all, so you believe in all sorts of nonsense.

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) The Prime Minister of Israel personally flew to the President of the Russian Federation to settle the conflict.

You may believe in these tales, but why should I believe in such stupidity?

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3. It was the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that paid for these satellites. Link above. Say hello to Serdyukov.

You are just a dense person - even within the MO there are different articles and different customers. Moreover, there are civilian departments that also ordered the military to take pictures of certain territories, for example, to clarify the changes taking place in nature.

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Discard the link.

The station took photographs of the opposite side of the moon, invisible from Earth, these photographs became public. At the same time, the United States had no success at all in sending satellites to the Moon.
It was a blow to the national spirit and identity. The United States understood the importance of Soviet discoveries for international science, as well as for all space lovers.

https://topwar.ru/182503-kak-cru-ukralo-sovetskij-sputnik.html

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Of course, the film does not live in orbit for a long time - it is illuminated.

At least they began to see clearly a little, otherwise everyone whistled about the timing of the reconnaissance satellites in orbit.

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I vividly imagined how clouded optics

Read American sources, you are our indefatigable amateur:

Glasses in space windows are also made of heavy-duty ones, 14 mm thick. Even a small grain of sand leaves cracks on it - like this one that flew into the window at a speed of 7152 m / s. therefore, four such glasses are placed in the "space windows" at once. Behind the glass, you can see the back side of the aluminum shell damaged by a piece of plastic.

Source: https://fishki.net/1677670-chto-mozhet-natvorit-kusochek-musora-na-orbite.html © Fishki.net

Quote: professor

I passed out from what I read. I woke up with difficulty. RF wanted to buy a reconnaissance satellite in Israel?

I do not even comment on this nonsense - your cockroaches in my head do not interest me.

[Professor]

1. Does the calculator work? Glory to Allah. The satellite that has lived in orbit for 60 days is disposable. The tape is over and ... hello to a billion.
2. National Interest is consistently cited by Military Review authors, not Israelis. In Israel, few people suspect the existence of this publication.
3. You can believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth. It won't surprise me.
4. "Domestic intelligence satellites were the best in the world at that time - and the Americans admitted this"-your words. The link you give to"At the same time, the United States had no progress at all in sending satellites to the moon"In Buzin's garden, and in Kiev there is an uncle. You lied again. The Americans never admitted that Soviet intelligence satellites were the best in the world at that time.
5. The Hubble optical telescope operates in orbit THIRTY ONE year and none of the optics on it dimmed. Do you know why? You are sitting deep in a puddle.
6. Once again in full:
The winner of the tender of the Ministry of Defense for the creation of the latest satellite electronic surveillance system, which will include five spacecraft, was the Khimki NPO named after Lavochkin.

As the general director of NPO Viktor Khartov said, “We will make satellites at the enterprise ourselves, but first the payload will be purchased abroad. In most cases, this is how Russian communication devices are made ”. The total amount of the contract will be about 70 billion rubles.

In the future, NPO will gradually increase the number of Russian developments in the payload of satellites. “The share of Russian technologies will increase from satellite to satellite, this will make it possible, by implementing this project, to produce such devices independently,” said Khartov.

Payload suppliers can be three companies: Israeli Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), European EADS and Italian Thales Alenia Space. In turn, Khartov added - "When choosing a supplier, we were concerned about the cost, risks and delivery time, as well as the company's agreement to transfer technology to Russia."

First, two spacecraft will be launched into orbit, and then three more. At the request of the customer, this system should distinguish images on the ground in sub-meter resolution. Today, such systems can "see" car numbers and even general features of the appearance of people. In Russia, such equipment has not been produced since the times of the USSR.
http://millitari.ru/index.php/2011-08-23-07-18-59/360-ministerstvo-oborony-zakazalo-5-sputnikov-shpionov.html

PS
https://iz.ru/news/548372
The Ministry of Defense will spend 70 billion rubles on spy satellites
The tender of the military department was won by NPO named after Lavochkin, which will purchase technology for spacecraft in Israel or EU countries

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Glory to Allah. The satellite that has lived in orbit for 60 days is disposable. The tape is over and ... hello to a billion.

No need to whistle, "professor", because space reconnaissance is not a cheap thing, the Israelis cannot understand this, they did not stand in the nuclear confrontation with the United States, but they always hid behind them. So you will never understand it ...

Quote: professor

National Interest is constantly cited by the authors of the Military Review,

And what of it? Is this a guarantee of their veracity?

Quote: professor

5. The Hubble optical telescope has been operating in orbit for THIRTY-ONE years and none of the optics on it has become clouded. Do you know why?

Because it cost not 17 million, but hundreds of times more:

From design to launch, $ 2,5 billion was spent with an initial budget of $ 400 million; total project costs, estimated for 1999, amounted to 6 billion dollars from the American side and 593 million euros paid by ESA[34].

Moreover, you are clearly not in the subject that it took several expeditions of shuttles to repair, which generally led to exorbitant costs. I'm not even saying that the hubble flew in higher orbits almost twice as much as the scout satellites fly, which is why there is less garbage there. But you are just an amateur in these matters, so you sculpt a hunchback, not knowing what for what. Here's what the Americans admitted:

Nevertheless, the price that has to be paid for the achievements of Hubble is very high: a special study devoted to studying the influence of different types of telescopes on the development of astronomy found that, although the work performed with the help of an orbiting telescope has a total citation index of 15 times more than that of a ground reflector with a 4-meter mirror, the cost of maintaining a space telescope is 100 or more times higher[80]

So the military does not need such a satellite - but you will never understand this. By the way, how is this scientific satellite related to military intelligence satellites - can you explain?

Quote: professor

Once again in full:
The winner of the tender of the Ministry of Defense for the creation of the latest satellite electronic surveillance system,

How illiterate you are can be seen from your example - this is a different kind of satellites, and not optical-electronic reconnaissance. If only they would not be disgraced.

Quote: professor

There are three companies that can supply the payload:

They may not mean they will, especially since the satellites themselves can order the same Israel through our Ministry of Defense for their own needs. Now the Ministry of Defense does this with other foreign satellites for the Internet - so these six satellites can be created just for other needs.

Quote: professor

At the request of the customer, this system should distinguish images on the ground in sub-meter resolution.

Well, everything, sailed - this is still only a desire, so go and rest until it is even asked.

Quote: professor

https://iz.ru/news/548372
The Ministry of Defense will spend 70 billion rubles on spy satellites

These are all press reports in 2013 - what was real, tell the know-it-all ...
Maybe this project was closed at all?

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

No need to whistle, "professor", because space reconnaissance is not a cheap thing, the Israelis cannot understand this, they did not stand in the nuclear confrontation with the United States, but they always hid behind them. So you will never understand it ...

How do we know how much intelligence services cost if we not only produce them for ourselves, but also sell them to all Italians there?

Quote: ccsr

And what of it? Is this a guarantee of their veracity?

Nothing. Refute them with facts and material evidence, or sue them for libel.

Quote: ccsr

Because it cost not 17 million, but hundreds of times more:

That is, the whole point is in the price and quality, and not in the amount of "working fluid" and not in the amount of "micromusser". Elementary as a device? American "LEO satellites are constantly bombarded by micro-debris and BUT the surface of their optics NOT grow cloudy "and their guaranteed stay in orbit for 10 years. TEN YEARS. How so?
The hub, by the way, cost $ 10 billion in 31 years, but it is still in orbit and functions great. How much did the Soviet orbiting telescope cost and how many years did it work in orbit?

Quote: ccsr

So the military does not need such a satellite - but you will never understand this. By the way, how is this scientific satellite related to military intelligence satellites - can you explain?

It is strange that you, as a professional, ask this question to an amateur like me. You know what is the connection between the mirror of the Hubble and the mirrors of the spy satellites? What is the relationship between their matrices? Well, what is the connection with the level of development of space technologies in both projects?

Quote: ccsr

How illiterate you are can be seen from your example - this is a different kind of satellites, and not optical-electronic reconnaissance. If only they would not be disgraced.

Is the level of development of your technologies such that you are trying to buy them in Israel?

Quote: ccsr

They may not mean they will, especially since the satellites themselves can order the same Israel through our Ministry of Defense for their own needs. Now the Ministry of Defense does this with other foreign satellites for the Internet - so these six satellites can be created just for other needs.

Do not be so upset. You are the "best in the world." The topic is closed.
If you have any complaints about the article, then file a lawsuit against Izvestia or the Khimki NGO named after Melamed's son.

Maybe this project was closed at all to the delight of the bourgeoisie, or maybe it was not closed. All goes to good.

This concludes my communication with you and I wish you to finally launch into orbit a satellite with a mirror with a diameter not of the planned 2 meters, but at least 3 meters is the level of the USA in the 2s. Competition in general and in space in particular is beneficial to everyone. This is my deep conviction.

I wish you health.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

How do we know how much reconnaissance vehicles cost?

From here it is not difficult to understand and compare them with the cost of Russian satellites of $ 17 million:

The KH-11 spacecraft is worth more than $ 2 billion, and two additional satellites ordered from Lockheed Martin after Boeing's failed Future Imaging Arcitecture program cost more than $ 4 billion each.

https://topwar.ru/69860-kak-google-unichtozhaet-sputniki-shpiony-kh-12.html

Quote: professor

That is, the whole point is in the price and quality, and not in the amount of "working fluid" and not in the amount of "micromusser".

This is all interconnected, you are simply not able to understand why our military does not need too expensive satellites, and much more important is the height of the orbits and the promptness of delivery even to field conditions, and not to stationary objects.

Quote: professor

You know what is the connection between the mirror of the Hubble and the mirrors of the spy satellites?

Big - they look in different directions, because the hubble is used to study space, and not the earth's surface. Yes, and mirrors are not needed in reconnaissance satellites of optical-electronic reconnaissance - you just have a mess in your head on this topic, study at least Zenit devices to understand, you will be able to do it.

Quote: professor

Is the level of development of your technologies such that you are trying to buy them in Israel?

Of course not - for military reconnaissance satellites it is forbidden to do this, only for civilian satellites. And then, perhaps, these were the requirements of the Israelis, if they were the customers for this product.

Quote: professor

Do not be so upset.

I will be upset if the state of Israel disappears as a Jewish state and there will be an Arab population - we will not be able to accept so many emigrants back. So you stay there, improve your military-industrial complex at the expense of American taxpayers, we are only happy about this, because you are the vanguard in the fight against terrorists.

Quote: professor

and I wish you to finally launch into orbit a satellite with a mirror with a diameter not in the planned 2 meters,

Why is he to our intelligence - can you explain? We don't have shuttles to repair the hubble four times in orbit, so we don't need a suitcase without a handle.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

you just can't understand

Quote: ccsr

you just have a mess in your head

Do not kill yourself like that. You will never be killed like that.

Quote: ccsr

Why is he to our intelligence - can you explain? We don't have shuttles to repair the hubble four times in orbit, so we don't need a suitcase without a handle.

You this question to your Address MO and don't worry like that. Everything will be fine. You will have normal companions. Israel, Italy or the EU will definitely sell to you. 70 billion is a lot of money. You hold on there.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3049019
They will look at the enemy with a two-meter objectivity
The Ministry of Defense ordered a new system of space reconnaissance
For you as a "specialist" I would like to inform you that of course you already knew that the Hubble mirror 2.4 meters in diameter was also used on spy satellites. This is how Soviet specialists calculated the resolution of their satellites.

Quote: ccsr

I will be upset if the state of Israel disappears as a Jewish state and there will be an Arab population - we will not be able to accept so many emigrants back. So you stay there, improve your military-industrial complex at the expense of American taxpayers, we are only happy about this, because you are the vanguard in the fight against terrorists.

Don't worry. Nobody will go back to you. No chance !!! In the meantime, the Russian Federation is the number 1 supplier of repatriates. Unlike you, we are glad to have new citizens. We also need doctors, engineers, scientists and just hardworking people. There is a place for everyone.

That's all I wanted to say.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

You address this question to your MO and do not worry like that.

You are simply not in the subject that the Ministry of Defense is responsible not only for launching, but also for the entire ground complex for servicing the satellite constellation, which is why no one has the right to launch satellites at their own discretion without the participation of the military. Will you finally do it, or will you chew on why the Ministry of Defense appears in the information?

Quote: professor

For you as a "specialist" I would like to inform you that of course you already knew that the Hubble mirror 2.4 meters in diameter was also used on spy satellites.

Why do we need it - can you explain it? By the way, why should we spend billions of dollars on this nonsense, if we get the necessary data cheaply from our intelligence satellites? Yes, and you did not give any links, which means you lied as always.

Quote: professor

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3049019
They will look at the enemy with a two-meter objectivity

Again, everything was wrong, because it is only planned, the sources of information are not named, and the mirror is unlikely to be used - this is just an assumption of amateur journalists. Why do you constantly lie, without even delving into the text of what you have written - is this your Israeli propaganda method?

Quote: professor

Don't worry. Nobody will go back to you.

Maybe they will not go, but many have not sold housing here until now, and I know such people, and some, on the contrary, began to buy it. This is the kind of "optimism" your citizens have ....

Quote: professor

In the meantime, the Russian Federation is the number 1 supplier of repatriates.

Yes, and we are not opposed to them going to your historical homeland - let them fight with extremists there, if here they have cut off the army.

Quote: professor

That's all I wanted to say.

Usually they say "the report is finished". And what limits does "everything" have in your speeches - temporal or textual? I still do not understand your boundaries - either you say goodbye forever, then again you start with speeches ...

[poquello]

Professor, how do electro-optical shutters relate to that crap that you are carrying here for the second day? )))))))))))

Quote: professor

there is no term, but there are scientific articles with this term.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: professor

Yes? Optoelectronic systems in space in the USSR appeared on 28.12.1982/XNUMX/XNUMX. And before that, the USSR did not have optoelectronic systems in space, but only optical ones. The filmed film was simply thrown to the Earth in special capsules.

Seriously? A digital scanner is not an optoelectronic system?
The panoramic cameras on the Venera station were based on the principle of a digital scanner.
From the surface of Venus, digital data were obtained:

In the very first Venera satellites, the speed of direct data transmission to Earth was limited to 1 bit per second, and was possible only under the condition of direct radio visibility. The new lander (Venera-9 Venera-10) was equipped with larger batteries and transmitted data to the orbiter via two VHF channels at a rate of 256 bit / s. The data was relayed to Earth using a highly directional parabolic antenna.

AMC Venus-9 Venus-10

Two cameras for capturing the upper layer of clouds were similar to cameras based on line-by-line scanning photometers of the Mars-4 and Mars-5 orbiters and performed scanning perpendicular to the trajectory with an angle of view of 30 °, and scanning along the trajectory was carried out due to the movement of the vehicle itself. The cameras of the Venera space stations used violet and ultraviolet light filters, scanning was carried out with a resolution of 500 readings per line with a frequency of 2 lines per second. Images were usually transmitted at a resolution of 256 pixels per line at six bits per pixel. The resolution of a typical panoramic image was 6000 pixels in length. In the peri-apsis of the orbit at an altitude of about 5000 km, this provided a resolution at the cloud top of about 6 to 30 km.

The image of each panorama (camera of the descent vehicle) consisted of 128x512 bits, 115x512 of which were informative, and the first 13 bits contained the calibration diagram. Each measurement recorded 6 bits for a picture element (pixel) and 1 bit for parity. Image quality was limited to a specified surface capture time of 30 minutes and a data rate of 256 bps. It took these 30 minutes to transfer one panoramic image at a rate of 3,5 seconds per line.

The number of elements per line is 115; line transmission time - 3,5 s; the number of lines in the panorama - 17; panorama transmission time - 30 min; the number of levels of video signal quantization - 64; power consumption - 5 W.

Didn't the Americans start copying our telephotometers?

The descent vehicle of the automatic interplanetary station "Mars-3", which was the first to land on the Red Planet in December 1971, also had telephotometers

People were able to see Mars only in 1976 thanks to American specialists - and telephotometers. The Americans liked the idea of ​​Soviet engineers so much that they developed telephotometers of their own design for the Viking series landing stations.
The mass of each of them was 7,26 kilograms, but their design was noticeably more complex and perfect. In particular, there was a 2 × 6 array of photodiodes tuned to different spectral ranges. It made it possible to obtain black-and-white, color and infrared panoramas. The total angle of view was 342 degrees, and the resolution was 2500 × 512 pixels with 32 gradations per channel.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: professor

Yes? Optoelectronic systems in space in the USSR appeared on 28.12.1982/XNUMX/XNUMX. And before that, the USSR did not have optoelectronic systems in space, but only optical ones. The filmed film was simply thrown to the Earth in special capsules.

Read literally:
https://nplus1.ru/material/2019/12/27/telephoto

Telephotometer "Vikings" (USA) 1976
Panorama of the Moon taken by the Y-198 telephotometer from the Luna-9 station
3 February 1966 year

Who borrowed ideas from whom?

[svoroponov]

Interestingly, the Lunokhod also dropped capsules from the Moon. But he seemed to work for 10 years before 1982, and the satellites before him also did not have capsules.
It's just that if something is not in the public domain and you do not know, then this does not mean that it is not. Often they simply do not show (secretly) so that the enemy cannot determine the stage of development of such a technique.

[AS_Plyushkin]

Well, what about the photo from the same Wiener? after all, the American version for us, when he interrupted the shooting, went into the pavilion and changed the film, somehow did not fit, and the descent vehicle simply would not have had time to build such a catapult to throw the film back under the conditions of Veneers .... To be and be (maybe even the best available in the world) and being better than a particularly large-format film (and they used it in intelligence) are also different concepts, until now digital matrices are inferior in many nuances (more or less, it began to correspond to intelligence requests only by the middle of the XNUMXs)

[Kaw]

Quote: ccsr

Even without the Chinese, we were able to create optoelectronic reconnaissance means, the best in the world, for space and aviation, including for Soviet drones, even forty years ago.

Yeah, our satellites and drones of those years flew with film cameras. And in the early 90s, one remote-controlled Bee drone appeared, broadcasting a black and white picture with a very low resolution.

[Volkof]

The drone is capable of conducting reconnaissance at a distance of more than 100 km from the operator.

It flies for 12 hours, but where is the possibility of target designation and target illumination in real time? All this was needed a long time ago and yesterday ... Can he bring Krasnopol? While "Krasnopoli" fighters direct from the ground, from a distance of up to 8 km from the target without obstacles, in good weather conditions, during the day, from a stationary device and during data transmission up to 5 km! How will they get there and how will they survive after this tip? This is some kind of nonsense! Where is the advanced army? And the ancient "Krasnopol" flies 28 km? Something does not work ?
Children are shown toys and praised, this is not enough for a modern army ...

[svoroponov]

,, Krasnopol ,, is guided with illumination by a laser beam. It can be fighters, it can be a helicopter or a drone. The fighters usually come closer to clarify what is not determined by intelligence or what is sheltered by not good teammates, Western partners, who inform not good comrades about the appearance of drones or helicopters.

[Volkof]

There are soldiers who use heavy ground equipment to direct the Krasnopol! And helicopters and UAVs for this, for now, only can be !!! Can you catch the difference? And secondly, these fighters, who exist, and UAVs, which may be, are not included in the regular structure of artillery units! And there are no such unifying staff structures ... This means that it does not work in a combat situation, but is sometimes organized from above, if desired! This is even worse! Do you think?

[svoroponov]

Maybe they can, but in Syria they already exist. There is enough filming on the Internet. By the way, the lighting equipment is as big as two marine binoculars and even a teenager can carry it. Have you seen a Chinese laser pointer? Attach to it strictly parallel marine binoculars and get a target designation system. The MTR fighters have a slightly larger device, all the same for military purposes.

[Volkof]

In Syria, as it were, they use it in a research mode ...
What a pointer, wake up and see from this wretchedness ...
LASER TARGETER-RANGE LTSD-3 (1D26) "ATOLL"
Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/laser-1d26-atoll/ VTS "BASTION" AVKarpenko

[svoroponov]

The MTR uses a more compact one. There is no such thing on your specified site.

[Fungus]

For a long time already Shvabe makes excellent cameras better than Chinese ones.

[ism_ek]

Quote: Fungus

For a long time already Shvabe makes excellent cameras better than Chinese ones.

China is far from being the leader in this area. The leaders here are Japan, the United States ... We are still far from them.
Shvabe has a rotten leadership. At UOMZ. directors come from Moscow. On weekends, they fly home at public expense. They live in a five-star hotel. And the workers receive 20 ... 30 tr. Skilled workers on piecework pay. You can get 100, or you can get the minimum wage. Hence the assault. The quality is lame and very strong.

On the topic of the article. This drone is higher than 3 tm. not taken away. "Legendary" Bayraktars work at a height of 8 tm. Their optics are not Turkish, but Canadian.

[abc_alex]

Quote: ism_ek

On the topic of the article. This drone is higher than 3 tm. not taken away. "Legendary" Bayraktars work at a height of 8 tm. Their optics are not Turkish, but Canadian.

??
Is it okay that Bayraktar is 10 times larger than the Hall?
Bayraktar
Length: 6,5 m
Wingspan: 12 m
Maximum takeoff weight: 650 kg

The hall
Wingspan 1810 mm
Maximum take-off weight 6,5 kg

[Peak]

The quality of the intelligence obtained during the use of drones can be evidenced by the publication of several images taken by the ZALA 421-16E5G reconnaissance drone when used in Syria.

Image quality -

And according to the location and the characters of the shooting, the Turks would strain ...

After all, ZALA "practiced" on potential targets in Syria, including Turkish special forces

[ism_ek]

Quote: PiK

After all, ZALA "practiced" on potential targets in Syria, including the Turkish special forces

This is the one that moves on the front loader)))

[Peak]

Quote: ism_ek

This is the one that moves on the front loader)))

Almost , a group of Turkish army servicemen filmed next to engineering equipment in the area of ​​equipment positions.

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Image quality -

From what height? My Mavik takes even better pictures and the video resolution has gone so far from Full HD.

https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/DJI-Mavic-2-Pro-Sample-Image-10.jpg

[Peak]

Quote: professor

From what height?

Do you think that by your photo in the commentary you can judge about height shooting, and not about the angle and distance?

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Quote: professor

From what height?

Do you think that by your photo in the commentary you can judge about height shooting, and not about the angle and distance?

I believe that it is not correct to talk about the resolution of the camera without mentioning the distance from which the shooting is carried out. Therefore, the photo in the article is about nothing.

[venik]

Quote: _Ugene_

What are the charges then? You might think we make these cameras ourselves and we can't do it better. What we will buy in China and supply

======
Well, to be honest, Soviet / Russian optics have always been head and shoulders above the Chinese! And so it remains!
PS This is for the attention of the "couch experts"!

[_Ugene_]

all matrices in modern "Soviet / Russian optics" are imported, I'm talking about optics on drones

[bk316]

all matrices in modern "Soviet / Russian optics" are imported, I'm talking about optics on drones

And what is the matrix optics?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: _Ugene_

What are the charges then?

The author is disingenuous, answering his own assumption.
In fact, such a picture can be achieved with a civilian drone, it is enough to invest money in a long-focus lens and a good studio camera. Any film studio has such now.
Difficulties begin at night, as well as with AI, which has long performed many routine functions for the operator.
It is impossible for 5 years, having bought an obsolete UAV abroad, and having gaps in the production of micro-electronics, to produce "those that have no analogues in the world."

[Errr]

Quote: _Ugene_

What are the charges then? You might think we make these cameras ourselves and we can't do it better. Which ones will we buy in China and put them, what's the problem?

What does China have to do with it? For example, the entire target load on the ZALA AERO drones (Unmanned Systems Group of Companies) of their own production. The ZALA 421-16E5G mentioned in the article is equipped with a 60x FullHD video camera Z-16E5VHD60-IRA2 / IRQ (combined with two thermal imagers) produced by the same ZALA AERO.

The new unique unmanned aerial complex ZALA 421-16E5G without an aerodrome base, equipped with a sequential hybrid power plant, which provides a guaranteed flight time of more than 12 hours. The unmanned complex is designed for long-distance flights and is capable of providing aviation monitoring at a distance of 100+ kilometers.
ZALA 421-16E5G is equipped with a combined target load with an HD thermal imager and a 60x FullHD video camera. The video stream is broadcast in HD format, which allows the ground station operator to view the streaming image in great detail. Optionally, the UAV can be equipped with a laser scanning module, a set of cameras for aerial photography or other equipment that requires power on board.

https://zala-aero.com/production/bvs/zala-421-16e5g-hd/

HD Camcorder combined with two thermal imagers.
Quick-detachable target load for UAV ZALA 421-16E5.
Three-axis stabilization 50 mrad.
Video camera:
- Video stream resolution 1280x720 (HD)
-Optical zoom 30x (Full HD), 60x (HD)
- High sensitivity mode
- Recording on board 1920x1080 (Full HD)
Two thermal imagers:
- Video stream resolution 640х512 / 1280х720 (HD)
- Magnification 8x
- Digital filters
- Selection of objects
- Determination of temperature
- Recording on board 640х512 / 1280х720 (HD)
- Broadcasting two video streams simultaneously (PIP)
Range of laser designator - 1500m

https://zala-aero.com/production/loads/kombinirovannye/z-16e5vhd60-irk/This very ZALA AERO from the glorious city of Izhevsk is produced quite a lot of photo-video of a specialized load alone:

Target load - video cameras:
- Quick release aircraft type Z-08V6
- Quick release aircraft type Z-08V10
- Universal quick release Z-16VHD60
- Universal quick release combined with thermal imager Z-
16VHD20-IRA
- Quick release combined with two thermal imagers Z-
16E5VHD60-IRA2 / IRQ
- Universal quick-detachable with a thermal imager with an overview
video camera and laser designator Z-16IRQ-V / L
- Universal quick release Z-16VHD20R
- Universal quick release Z-16VHD60
Target load - cameras:
- Quick release with Z-08F-VR camcorder
- Quick release with Z-10F1-VR camcorder
- Universal quick release Z-16F1-VR
- Universal quick release Z-16F3-VR
- Universal quick release Z-16F100-VR
- With interchangeable wide-angle lenses at the same time
removes the earth's surface from the same point, but under different
corner Z-16F1х2-VR
- With interchangeable wide-angle lenses at the same time
removes the earth's surface from the same point, but under different
corner Z-16F3х2-VR
- Universal quick release with Z-16F2-NIR-VR camcorder
- Universal quick release with multispectral camera Z-
16AGRO1-F1
- Universal quick-detachable with thermal imager Z-16F1-IR
- Universal quick-detachable with thermal imager Z-16F3-IR
- Universal quick release underwing Z-OEM-F1

https://vpk.name/library/f/bespilotnie-systemi.html

[_Ugene_]

Is it your own production to assemble a camera from imported components?

[Professor]

Quote: Herrr

For example, the entire target load on the ZALA AERO drones

And why the mass of this papela was not indicated? State secret or insulting for the state?

[Barberry25]

rather, it is that the frames of the received signal are shown, and it goes according to the low quality standard so as not to create problems during data transmission

[Jacket in stock]

What is the bazaar about? ,,,,
We were shown videos from our drones on TV many times, and many of them were of really dubious quality.
And the fact that one particular drone matches does not at all mean that everyone else does too.

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

We were shown videos from our drones on TV many times

and I haven't seen it on TV at all - it means we don't have drones))))))))))))))))))))))

[dauria]

We were shown videos from our drones on TV many times, and many of them were of really dubious quality.

There is one trick here that everyone who has even used "children's toys" knows about. Several cameras for different purposes are placed on the model (quadric, airplane). One at a time, they control the flight, it is called the coursework. It is of low resolution, with on-air interference, with a lot of flight information. But the minimum delay and narrow signal bandwidth. (Well, or the minimum need for bit rate when encoding).
The second is the one that is posted on the Internet. "Full HD", full of stabilization and corrections stuffing. Writes immediately without over-the-air interference. But they have a brutal delay in image processing.
On the military, I believe, the method is combined. I was interested in something - they turned on the broadband channel and transmitted the picture. Telecommunications inspection does not bother them.

[sabakina]

You know, at the end of the 70s our family got the Smena 8 M camera. Then I went to the photo circle. I learned. Liked. Photographed all the way to vocational school. (Why won't I say). I got such photos that they do not come out from a smartphone. I believe in LOMO.

[ccsr]

Quote: sabakina

I believe in LOMO.

Krasnogorsk is also flourishing in our country - my last domestic camera was a Zenit semi-automatic film, purchased in the nineties. The quality of the sneakers is excellent, even with a modest photo flash - it is still stored as a memory, and I think that it is workable. So we knew how to make photographic equipment - I myself saw domestic cameras on sale in Germany in the eighties.

[old_pferd]

Of the cameras, Krasnogorsk produces only Zenit M at a price of under half a million, or rather, it is a redesigned Leica, which is being assembled in Germany. From Krasnogorsk there are only lenses.

[Andrey Moskvin]

What else is "in vain"?

[Motorist]

Quote: sabakina

I believe in LOMO.

LOMO was second only to Elektrosila in cost - 34 thousand rubles against 36 ...

[Johann weiss]

Half of Russia's investments goes to sawing.
That is why we are lagging behind.

We don't pay our engineers on time. No new projects.

No money left.

We only create and develop our own matrix for thermal imaging optics.
Before that, they bought from NATO countries. And those are not selling their best system.

[poquello]

Quote: Johann Weiss

We don't pay our engineers on time.

speak for yourself

[Ross xnumx]

Accusations of Russian reconnaissance drones of low quality of filming turned out to be untenable

We believe. You can change the resolution of videos and photos during decryption, right?

[poquello]

Quote: ROSS 42

Accusations of Russian reconnaissance drones of low quality of filming turned out to be untenable

We believe. You can change the resolution of videos and photos during decryption, right?

for the worse - whatever you like, only I suspect that the b / w footage of defeats posted is just control ones, those task is to make sure of the defeat

[Revival]

I'm not an expert, and apparently that's why the question is, do the sample pictures in the article prove something unambiguously, or maybe the picture, conditionally, was taken from 50 meters?

[Johann weiss]

Possibly filmed from a height of 1-3 km.
But during the day, you can look through ordinary high-quality optics.

The problem is worth watching at night.

[askort154]

The Russian army has been using drones for a long time.

But the media successfully promoted the Turkish "Bayraktar". And if we compare the performance characteristics of him and the Russian "Orion", then it looks like this:
"Bayraktar TV 2" "Orion"

wingspan - 12 m.16.3 m
length - 6.5 m 8 m
Mach. takeoff weight 650 kg. 1100kg.
The mass is useful. load 150 kg. 250 kg.
Cruising speed is 130 km / h. 120-200 km / h.
The radius of application is 150 km. APD - 110/120 (Russia)
Power 100 HP 120 h.p.

"Orion" was used a lot in Syria, but it was not advertised in the media like "Bayraktar" by the Turks in Azeybarjan.

[Johann weiss]

And here is the comparison of performance characteristics.

The Turks just used a lot in combat missions. And successfully. They show something successfully.

And we just go into the series. 6 pcs. transferred.
And you cannot lose them in Syria. Expensive and bearded men can be beaten by aircraft.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: askort154

Orion was used a lot in Syria, but it was not advertised in the media like Bayraktar

And who was stopping us?
It has long been known "did not post, then it was not."

[ccsr]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And who was stopping us?

Natural modesty and secrecy ...

[I am not a robot]

a reconnaissance drone should be cheap and with a cheap camera that allows you to perform reconnaissance of targets, and at the same time it does not matter if the image quality is good or not

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Janerobot

it doesn't matter if the image quality is good or not

Image quality should

allow target reconnaissance

with poor quality, what kind of intelligence can there be.
And the price determines the availability of devices, a cheap one can be given to each soldier, and an expensive one per regiment / division, and that one is in a warehouse so as not to be broken.

[I am not a robot]

you do not read what I wrote and immediately write the answer.
the eagle camera allows for reconnaissance, why increase its price

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Janerobot

the eagle camera allows for reconnaissance, why increase its price

Allows you to conduct exploration at what level? From what height? With what detail? In what weather conditions and at what time of day?

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Allows you to conduct exploration at what level? From what height? With what detail? In what weather conditions and at what time of day?

)))))))))))))) with what task?

[poquello]

Quote: Janerobot

a reconnaissance drone should be cheap and with a cheap camera that allows you to perform reconnaissance of targets, and at the same time it does not matter if the image quality is good or not

The hall is a product of Kalashnikov, including for civilian tasks

[Prisoner]

Mattress makers, with high quality, kill children with their drones. They don't write about it?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Captive

kids are killed with their drones. They don't write about it?

They write a lot and often.
But this is not an image quality problem. This is the problem of image interpretation, and most importantly, the tactics of combat use. Those. what "collateral damage" is considered acceptable.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This, of course, is all good, but on YouTube videos where the real work of Russian UAVs is shown, the image quality is really not important and is inferior to imported counterparts.

I am glad that they are talking about this problem, I am not happy that they do not want to acknowledge the problem.

[I am not a robot]

if the image quality allows it to work, then this is not a problem

[sevtrash]

The article seems to be about nothing, where are the characteristics of optics, matrices, who manufactures it, well, and the characteristics of similar foreign drones?
Actually, the answer may be on the surface - where are the best optics and matrices for cameras, telephones, cameras, etc. made? Obviously not in Russia. Hence the conclusion - the quality of the video-photo information of the drones of the Russian Federation is determined by the quality and quantity of components that were purchased.

[Andobor]

Are you destroying them?
- No, we just take pictures.
- Beautiful.

[Peak]

Quote: Andobor

Are you destroying them?
- No, we just take pictures.
- Beautiful.

Part of the photo shows the Turkish special forces, which have not yet reached the point.

[rocket757]

Accusations of Russian reconnaissance drones of low quality of filming turned out to be untenable

... There is no point in arguing with those who are sure of .... The customer will not take the worst, only in financial terms.

[Maks1995]

Empty anonymous article.
For all the good versus all the bad.
No performance characteristics, no manufacturer, no permission, no distance ...
There is nothing.
even the names of "experts" who are referred to

[poquello]

Quote: Max1995

Empty anonymous article.
For all the good versus all the bad.
No performance characteristics, no manufacturer, no permission, no distance ...
There is nothing.
even the names of "experts" who are referred to

so the brand is indicated
https://zala-aero.com/production/bvs/uav-zala-421-16e5/
Well at the end of the marking - a hybrid, those increased range

[Maks1995]

Indicated. Go look for it?
And then what about the article?
Whose Matrix, shooting distance to the object, or at least guesses about it. "Experts" from where.
There is nothing, only brief data from the advertisement.

Many Commentators have noted this too.

[Revival]

The article is empty.
Like "someone says yes, and someone says no."
Empty statements of someone are refuted by empty statements of someone ...

[yfast]

Thermal imager matrix is ​​not listed. FHD is no longer advanced, at least 4K should be done in large quantities.

[poquello]

Quote: yfast

Thermal imager matrix is ​​not listed. FHD is no longer advanced, at least 4K should be done in large quantities.

)))))))))))))) I'll tell you a secret, in typical security surveillance systems there are b / w monitors and cameras with a "to see" resolution

[Charik]

Something not any news about -How did the Mossad put out an Iranian scientist with a robot, or how Usipeskov accidentally won something in the vote and that there is already a victory over Russia?

[tralflot1832]

The coolest Venidiktov won the same amount.

[Charik]

it means some kind of shit on both sides: Like yours and ours will dance for a ruble

[Moskovit]

We must face the truth. And in any resolution. Then it will turn out to fix everything. An acquaintance works at a defense enterprise. I will not name it so that the person does not suffer. Unfortunately, it absorbed the worst of the Soviet and Russian systems of government. From the Soviet assault and window dressing, from the Russian one, there is a huge gap in salary between workers and management, incompetent managers. But all the same, the equipment is being produced, wagons are transported to Syria and back, the shortcomings are corrected, the process is underway.

[Humpty]

Quote: ism_ek

On the topic of the article. This drone is higher than 3 tm. not taken away. "Legendary" Bayraktars work at a height of 8 tm

Maybe he doesn't get higher. I would not say this with certainty. At 7600, cheap rattles with Ali are quite flying. Maybe higher, but haven't tried it.

[Kapkan]

In this situation, as in similar ones, it annoys me that we are constantly making excuses and proving something to someone ...
What's the point? What for? For what?
We lack pride, self-respect, and the ability to be arrogant when needed.
Any accusations like this, as in this article - should be left WITHOUT ATTENTION.
The plane escorted the enemy somewhere, and then they called that the Russians were behaving dangerously - we should react to this IN ANY WAY, WITHOUT ATTENTION.
But no, surely someone will speak and say - the flight was carried out in strict accordance and blah blah blah ...
So it is in this article.
Well, you never know that the outskirts farted or someone else ...
There is only one answer - WITHOUT ATTENTION.

[Vaccine]

Accusations of Russian reconnaissance drones of low quality of filming turned out to be untenable

The professor was lowered into the skull)))). .And that's good here An old Russophobe and a provocateur ... and then he was sitting here like Kashchei the immortal (supposedly a consultant))))
Shurir the same yells here good obscenities for Israel

[purple]

Quote: professor

Quote: PiK

Image quality -

From what height? My Mavik takes even better pictures and the video resolution has gone so far from Full HD.

Our at least cuts nothing

[Pervy]

Well, its zoom is 60x, right?

[starshina]

I am always right !!!

[Ros 56]

Let them shout, the main thing is that our military is satisfied with the quality of photo and video shooting, and the idiots are satisfied with the quality of hits on them.

[Evil 55]

What idle nonsense .. Already a long time ago, matrices "Made in China" are on 90 percent of all UAVs ..

[Kedrovich]

It would be better if they wrote that all the UAVs were noisy there. And then even a household quadric from a neighbor can be heard even half a kilometer away, as he squeals.

[Bradley]

Poor quality for some, but normal for others.
Some things need to be understood, such as what partners can afford. massively more advanced cameras and hardware in general. Also, do not forget about the software.
And if the picture from the UAV corresponds to the parameters that are required of it, then the picture at least 640x480 will be normal, and for some, even 7680 × 4320 will not be enough.

[Pervy]

The 60x zoom doesn't tell you anything. What is the crop factor, what is the focal length? Only knowing this, you can roughly understand what the camera is capable of in terms of zoom.

[Agent cooper]

So maybe then they told whose Full HD camera is on the UAV Zala, otherwise it's the same as enjoying the pictures taken from Chinese civilian drones in service with the Ministry of Defense.

With the deplorable funding of Russian science, I doubt that the development of optics and microelectronics in Russia makes it possible to obtain such images from drones using domestic components. Alas and ah.

[Vadim237]

On science in Russia every year they spend 1.2 trillion rubles - so at the expense of deplorable funding is nonsense.

[Evil 55]

They spend not on science, but on the maintenance of pseudo-scientific and "approximate" institutes and universities ..

[Fungus]

Zala develops its cameras of several types.

[Adyuga]

To be honest, amateur drones now have 4K resolution, and military should have 8K, so there is something to be ashamed of really. It is clear that we are catching up, but somehow slowly

[Roman_vh]

What for? If, say, 320-200 is enough?

[ccsr]

Quote: Roman_VH

What for? If, say, 320-200 is enough?

These "specialists" do not understand that 4K resolution is absolutely unnecessary to identify military equipment groupings, which not only requires more complex systems of high-speed information transfer from the aircraft and the optical-electronic equipment itself, but also narrows the area of ​​the reconnaissance territory, which is unacceptable when assessment of the enemy at the operational or strategic level. For detailed reconnaissance, it was possible to use UAVs such as the Soviet Tu-143 at that time, which had been in service with the SA since the seventies.

[Zaurbek]

Chinese cameras with 4k can be freely bought on the market ..... Thermal cameras are more difficult

[Denis812]

Author - you are strange. :)
They showed pictures taken from no one knows where, by whom and how.
The fact that it was filmed from Hall's drone is proved by its logo or what? :)

The second is that the optics on most of the Russian drones remained as guano.
Look at the filming from Syria.
Compared to American filming or Israeli filming, it's just heaven and earth.
But there is undoubtedly a trend towards improvement. Which cannot but rejoice.

On the other hand - someone's optics, please tell me. :)
The hall itself does not produce optics. Who supplies her with optics? :)

[Two]

Today, the outskirts of optical glass are not brewed at all! Everything purchased, except for fabrications ...

[GAndr]

It was always touching how the aborigines from the land of eternal dreams, hoot about Russian technologies, while they themselves do not possess such technologies.
Papuan dances around purchased foreign weapons also look very hilarious.
I just want to say to them - "Hey illnesses, when you yourself start to produce at least something? Everything that you rejoice at is not yours, your merit in the technique that you got absolutely no." I would like to say, but I’m not saying, because they will understand. To understand something, the head is needed, but the possession of a head in the land of eternal dreams, alas, is not quoted today ...

[Borisych]

What is the talk of the outlying Nazis, what is the point? The bottom line is that Russian drones will catch Banderlog in caches and toilets. Getting wet in the outhouse is the main task of drones. Autumn in Ukraine.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

This, of course, is all good, but on YouTube videos where the real work of Russian UAVs is shown, the image quality is really not important and is inferior to imported counterparts.

I am glad that they are talking about this problem, I am not happy that they do not want to acknowledge the problem.

It's strange to judge the quality of optics based on YouTube videos. It's not filmed for a picture.

Let's say (figures from the ceiling) a camera on a UAV can shoot with a resolution of 20K in three infrared ranges simultaneously. The raw data stream from cameras is above several gigabits per second. On board the UAV, images from several cameras are processed, contrasting images are highlighted, classified using AI elements, people, cars, buildings, etc. the targets set for tracking are highlighted.
As a result, the picture is reduced to contrasting with "squares" in the form of separate tech. Target data. The amount of data is reduced to a few megabytes per second.
After that, the data must be transmitted over a narrow closed channel.
The video is compressed even more with a loss of resolution and quality. But objects remain highlighted, contrasting, technical data on goals are present. The data stream is several hundred kilobits per second.

On YouTube, we see exactly this picture.

The operator sees the same picture but with squares.

When striking, the picture is taken from a wide angle, in order to see what and how it scatters, who scatters where, so that a possible deviation from the impact would get into the frame.

The fact that the picture is of low quality may indicate that a data transmission channel is used between the UAV and the operator with high reliability and noise immunity. Due to the fact that the channel is narrow, it is more difficult to detect it by means of electronic reconnaissance.
At the same time, the quality of the picture remains sufficient to control the situation and fully understand what is happening. Selectivity and identification of targets do not depend on the final image and is ensured by the high quality of the optoelectronic equipment, the perfection of the software for preprocessing data on board the UAV, and the optimal data exchange protocol.