The developer of KAZ "Arena-M" has revealed some details of the complex

Complex of active protection "Arena-M", planned for installation on Russian Tanks T-72 and T-90, is capable of providing all-round protection against almost the entire range of anti-tank guided missiles, including Spikes and Javelins. This was reported in the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau (KBM).

The fourth documentary from the cycle was released on the Zvezda TV channel.Weapon invincible. ”This series showed an interview with the head of the development and advanced design department of the Kolomna KBM Vladimir Kharkin, who spoke about the Arena-M KAZ.

As the specialist explained, "Arena-M" provides all-round protection of the tank, including in the upper sphere, from practically the entire spectrum of self-guided ammunition, including the most modern types of the Israeli "Spike" and the American "Javelin".

The ammunition is fired, and depending on which direction the target is flying, it turns in that direction. There are special impulse correction engines that allow you to deploy (ammunition to the target) in a minimum time. One ammunition covers the protection sector 5 times more, this made it possible to provide completely all-round protection and expanded the protection sector from above

- said Kharkin.

The system is installed in the bulletproof compartments outside the tank turret and operates in automatic mode, providing double protection in each direction of attack. The system provides radar tracking and destruction of flying targets. The principle of the complex’s operation is to defeat the PTS with a directed stream of heavy fragments during the detonation of a firing striking element when approaching a tank at ranges from 20 to 50m. The complex provides protection in sectors in azimuth to 360 and sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.

Note that the Arena-M KAZ has been undergoing tests for a long time, including military ones. The T-72B3 and T-90M tanks with the Arena-M KAZ installed were seen at the West-2021 exercises. In addition, a T-80UM2 tank with a Drozd-2 active protection system from the 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Tank Division was spotted in preparation for the exercise.

In January 2017, Valery Kashin, general designer of the Engineering Design Bureau Corporation (KBM, Kolomna), announced that the new Arena-M active defense complex (KAZ) would be installed on the T-72 and T-90 tanks and that it was being tested under the personal control of Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Colonel General Oleg Salyukov. In 2018, it was reported that UVZ purchased elements of the KAZ Arena-M for installation on the T-72B3 tank as part of the Perfection-A development work.

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[Maki Avellevich]

we are waiting for the video of the shooting range.
then there will be something to discuss

[Vladimir_2U]

The complex provides protection in sectors in azimuth to 360 and sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.

From missiles with a flight over the target and defeat by a shock core, it is certainly effective, from dive missiles it is already of limited effectiveness. But it seems that the presence of correction engines on the fired element will reduce the non-projectile funnel above the tank.

[Vaccine]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

we are waiting for the video of the shooting range.
then there will be something to discuss

I agree, and after that you can discuss something .. But you see the system is serious, if the commander-in-chief himself keeps control .. Let's see!

[210ox]

Actually, the interception of a grenade fired from the "boot" of KAZ has been a video for a long time. Most likely, they are experiencing something new.

[major071]

On VO there was a publication about the tests of "Arena-M" with a video: https://topwar.ru/184473-v-seti-pojavilos-video-ispytanij-rossijskogo-kompleksa-aktivnoj-zaschity-dlja-bronetehniki.html

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

we are waiting for the video of the shooting range.
then there will be something to discuss

From 29 minutes.

SPG-9 did not intercept
RPG-7 intercepted

[figwam]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

SPG-9 did not intercept

Where did you get this information from?

[knn54]

-under the personal control of the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov.
Is it weak with personal participation ?:

[Alekseev]

"... waiting for the video .."
They cheated even without "Khfilma" and beat themselves in the chest with anxiety that, they say, returning the hemisphere without protection. It is true that they forgot that KBM specialists are also not deaf-blind and are studying the development of PTS in the world.
And to the "general public" the details are given very limitedly because of all clear considerations and to be very clever when discussing just gett reasons.
It has always been this way, even stricter.
Instructions for "Cobra", ie. 9K112, put into service in 1979, were in my unit in 1983 owls. secret.

[riwas]

we are waiting for the video of the shooting range.
then there will be something to discuss

So in the Military Acceptance they showed footage of the tests of the last Arena

[prior]

"the complex of active protection (KAZ) "Arena-M" will be installed on T-72 and T-90 tanks and that it is being tested under the personal supervision of the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Colonel-General Oleg Salyukov."

I want to ask:
- How much does the personal control of Colonel-General Salyukov cost?
- and what, without personal control in any way?

[carstorm 11]

This is the highest priority. Attention. This is a rare occurrence, which means this topic is of great importance.

[Essex62]

Exactly. Since the commander-in-chief of the SV took control himself, a massive use of tanks is foreseen soon. Reservists urgently in the gym to eliminate the beer belly. You can't get through the hatch.

[svp67]

KAZ "Arena-M" has been undergoing tests for a long time, including military ones.

It seems that this is where his military service ends ...
If there was a great interest from our military, then these complexes would have long been run in the same Syria PRACTICALLY, installing it on tanks participating in hostilities

[carstorm 11]

They are simply brought up to modern requirements. Why is he in Syria like this? What would crews bury potgm? Crews do not die from tests at the proving ground.

[svp67]

Quote: carstorm 11

They are simply brought up to modern requirements.

since 1991 .... Isn't it a lot?
And this is only Russian time, otherwise this complex began to be created back in the USSR, in the 80s, and how many of them, of any modifications, were delivered to the troops during this time?

[Albert1988]

Quote: svp67

since 1991 .... Isn't it a lot?

Are you laughing? From which 91st? In 91, the first arena appeared, which has practically nothing to do with the M arena. Arena-M appeared as a prototype 5-6 years ago, and the tests themselves in the troops are even less so.

[svp67]

Quote: Albert1988

From which 91st?

This is the part of its history that began with the collapse of the USSR and the formation of the Russian Federation.

[Albert1988]

Quote: svp67

This is the part of its history that began with the collapse of the USSR and the formation of the Russian Federation.

It doesn't matter - the first arena died in the 90s, then completely different complexes were developed, which retained only the name of the arena. Arena-M is a modern development that has almost nothing in common with the original arena, which was presented in 91.

[svp67]

Quote: Albert1988

Arena-M is a modern development that has almost nothing in common with the original arena, which was presented in 91.

Has the principle of its work changed? No. Arena - M, this is a continuation of the "Arena" line

[Albert1988]

Quote: svp67

Has the principle of its work changed?

The electronic filling has changed, everything. The ammunition has changed - now it is controlled, the whole structure of the complex has changed. And the "principle" - buckshot, yes, it remained the same. Of course, these are absolutely the same complexes.

[svp67]

Quote: Albert1988

Of course, these are absolutely the same complexes.

No, this is the line of development of one complex, created since the 80s.
Divided the radar into two modules, in principle, the right decision to increase the speed. The combat elements of the KAZ received protection from bullets and shrapnel, they are also approved ... promising BOPS.
Everything is fine, except for one thing. We already have a more advanced KAZ "Afghanit", but isn't it better to promote it?

[Albert1988]

Quote: svp67

No, this is the line of development of one complex, created since the 80s.
Divided the radar into two modules, in principle, the right decision to increase the speed. The combat elements of the KAZ received protection from bullets and shrapnel, they are also approved ... promising BOPS.

What you have just written suggests that this is generally a new complex. Basically.
Only a few moments remained the same.
It's like comparing T-62 and T-64 - outwardly they seem to be similar, even a smooth-bore cannon for both, but in reality ...

Quote: svp67

Everything is fine, except for one thing. We already have a more advanced KAZ "Afghanit", but isn't it better to promote it?

Probably because the "Afghanite" has its own limitations? This is a very cumbersome piece, the task of which, first of all, is to deal with heavy and high-speed BOPSs, to work on roof-breakers, unlike the "arena", "Afghanit" cannot, from which it is supplemented by an "umbrella". Plus, it goes in conjunction with very powerful AFARs, all this wealth should be put on the old T-72/90 - to inflate their cost to the skies with a not strong increase in efficiency. So the "arena" is ideal for old cars - it can shoot down rocket-propelled grenades / ATGMs, it can work on roof-breakers, and it is not very expensive, and it is also convenient for installation on old cars.

[yfast]

Quote: svp67

these complexes would have been run in for a long time in the same Syria

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: yfast

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

the infantry is saved by a little ingenuity and fortune
if an ATGM flew into the armor not far from you, or someone else will not have a sweet spot without KAZ.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: yfast

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

The use of BMPT "Terminator" ...
Experts say one vehicle can replace two motorized rifle platoons ...

[DenVB]

Quote: yfast

Quote: svp67

these complexes would have been run in for a long time in the same Syria

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

If there is a need to act in close coordination with the infantry, just turn off the KAZ.

It would be nice to provide for the possibility of sector-by-sector shutdown.

The Israelis have been using AZ for a long time and in large quantities. Complaints about the death of infantry from their tanks have not yet been reported.

[Professor]

Quote: DenVB

The Israelis have been using AZ for a long time and in large quantities. Complaints about the death of infantry from their tanks have not yet been reported.

1. Received. One soldier was killed.
2. Russian KAZ works according to a different principle. There is a field of fragments and, accordingly, a danger to the infantry.
3. If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: professor

1. Received. One soldier was killed.
2. Russian KAZ works according to a different principle. There is a field of fragments and, accordingly, a danger to the infantry.
3. If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

Our “good” friend and “empathicist”. In the army, there is "Combined Arms Combat Tactics", which can change, both with the emergence of new weapons systems, and in the specific conditions of the operation of units. Where professors and academicians from the Moscow Region are sitting, who have taken into account the wishes of our "God-chosen" comrades and their advice. There you are:

The full version is below or in the search: “Russia's Arms. New technologies 4/4 "

[D16]

In the USSR, it was sweet with KAZ since the 78th year, when it was put into service and began to be mass-produced. There was no money for this in Russia. But times are changing.

[DenVB]

Quote: professor

1. Received. One soldier was killed.

Well, let one die. How many tanks and tankers were saved? How many infantry would die if they had to carry out combat missions without the support of tanks in situations where the enemy massively uses anti-tank weapons from which there is no other protection?

Russian KAZ works according to a different principle. There is a field of fragments and, accordingly, a danger to the infantry.

Everywhere is a field of debris. In addition, a missile explosion itself is dangerous to the infantry.

If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

I do not know what it is. You should ask this question to the one who said that everything is so sweet with KAZ.

[lucul]

How many infantry would die if they had to carry out combat missions without the support of tanks in situations where the enemy massively uses anti-tank weapons from which there is no other protection?

Do not be ridiculous - after the MLRS have been worked out on this territory, there will be no infantry with anti-tank weapons left there.
Israel simply does not have its own inexpensive MLRS, which is why they are busy with this KAZ.)))

[Professor]

Quote: DenVB

Well, let one die. How many tanks and tankers were saved? How many infantry would die if they had to carry out combat missions without the support of tanks in situations where the enemy massively uses anti-tank weapons from which there is no other protection?

KAZ in the IDF has justified itself. Now he will be on Leopard, Abrams and Challenger.

Quote: DenVB

Everywhere is a field of debris. In addition, a missile explosion itself is dangerous to the infantry.

No, not everywhere. Trophy works differently. There they are hitting the ammunition, not the "area". Accordingly, the chance to hit the infantry is less.

Quote: DenVB

I do not know what it is. You should ask this question to the one who said that everything is so sweet with KAZ.

The Arena-M active protection complex, planned for installation on Russian T-72 and T-90 tanks, is capable of providing all-round protection from almost the entire range of anti-tank guided missiles, including Spikes and Javelins. This was reported in the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau (KBM).

Quote: figvam

Fashion is so ...

There are no grates above the roof, however.

[bk0010]

Quote: professor

There are no grates above the roof, however.

But chains with flails and gratings are stuck.

[carstorm 11]

You seem to be a smart person ... There is never too much protection. KAZ can simply be discharged, what will you do next if you do not leave the battle? Pray? I simply cannot see disputes with these visors. One piece of rag can save your life if you set it on fire just at the right moment. Any attempts to strengthen the defense, even if it is through complex systems or simple ones, should have only one criterion - whether it works or not. If this visor will save then generally do not care about manufacturability. When you run out of ammo, you grab a stick or a stone.

[Professor]

Quote: carstorm 11

You seem to be a smart person ... There is never too much protection. KAZ can simply be discharged, what will you do next if you do not leave the battle? Pray? I simply cannot see disputes with these visors. One piece of rag can save your life if you set it on fire just at the right moment. Any attempts to strengthen the defense, even if it is through complex systems or simple ones, should have only one criterion - whether it works or not. If this visor will save then generally do not care about manufacturability. When you run out of ammo, you grab a stick or a stone.

And why then, during 40 years, they did not install such necessary gratings, but rushed after Karabakh? A rhetorical question.

Quote: svp67

Quote: professor

3. If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

Protection from the sun, so that your head does not bake ... South of Russia, it's hot there, you know ...
That is why it does not surprise anyone ...

Has the grille started to create a shadow? This is the discovery.

[svp67]

Quote: professor

Has the grille started to create a shadow? This is the discovery.

Well, they had time to weld the grates, but they haven't brought the tarpaulin or mace yet ... what do you want, Russia

[carstorm 11]

Well, the threats are probably changing. They find the answer. What surprises you so much ?! Defense tends to focus on immediate threats of these days. Protection is a set of measures and not some kind of device or system. And who says everything is sweet? The arena was completely redesigned. The required MOs are adjusted to the performance characteristics. Experiencing. But this is not a reason to limit protection in other areas?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: professor

If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

And you here, besides the grate, see at least some kind of KAZ?

[svp67]

Quote: professor

3. If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

Protection from the sun, so that your head does not bake ... South of Russia, it's hot there, you know ...
That is why it does not surprise anyone ...

[abc_alex]

Quote: professor

2. Russian KAZ works according to a different principle. There is a field of fragments and, accordingly, a danger to the infantry.

Think so on. I would be extremely grateful if you would say the same in English-speaking forums.

[lucul]

The Israelis have been using AZ for a long time and in large quantities. Complaints about the death of infantry from their tanks have not yet been reported.

Have the Israeli soldiers already started running next to the tanks? )))

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: lucul

Have the Israeli soldiers already started running next to the tanks? )))

they stopped running next to the tanks.

But more seriously, why run next to a tank? run ahead with a tank or after a tank. 80 meters away

[lucul]

But more seriously, why run next to a tank? run ahead with a tank or after a tank. 80 meters away

And who, in the heat of battle, will follow this distance? ))) Do you think mech.vod? Yes, he does not see anything, where there is his own infantry, from behind or in front. As a result, your own tank (with KAZ) for your infantry will become more dangerous than the enemy's)))

[Shimshon]

... And who, in the heat of battle, will follow this distance? ))) Do you think mech.vod? Yes, he does not see anything, where there is his own infantry, from behind or in front

TSAYAD
TSAYAD ("Digital SV", "Tsva Yabasha Digital") is a computerized control system of the Israeli Ground Forces [1].

Overview
Manufactured by Elbit Systems.

The name translates from Hebrew as "hunter" and is an abbreviation for "Computerized Infantry Force".

The TSAYAD system covers all ground forces, allowing you to accurately determine the location of each combat unit down to a specific tank, jeep or platoon.

The system has been used in the IDF since 1999, from which 20 versions of the TsAYAD were released.

The TsAYAD-750 system was created on the basis of the findings of Operation Enduring Rock [2].

TsAYAD-750 allows commanders on the ground, from the commander of a team or platoon to the division commander, to see in real time on a computer screen or a coded smartphone "Shaked" the position of their forces (including the Air Force and Navy in the coastal zone), enemy forces and "Sensitive" for the Israeli leadership of the civilian objects of the enemy (schools, hospitals, etc.). Commanders get access to maps, aerial photographs, and can independently analyze possible ways of advancing or attacking a target.
This is just one of the remedies.

[abc_alex]

Quote: lucul

Have the Israeli soldiers already started running next to the tanks? )))

Why should they? Against them are bearded men in slippers. Who and when led full-scale combined-arms hostilities against the Israeli army, at least dropping WW2.

[figwam]

Quote: yfast

How to avoid hitting infantry within a radius of 20-50m

Change the tactics of fighting.

Quote: professor

3. If everything is so sweet with KAZ, what is it?

Fashion is so ...

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

Change the tactics of fighting.

Tell me HOW? So the infantryman must cover the tank from the grenade launchers with fire. The tank clears the way for the infantry and covers it with its armor. How do you propose to break this ligament

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

Tell me HOW? So the infantryman must cover taak from grenade launchers with fire

Now will cover KAZ and BMPT "Terminator".

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

Now will cover KAZ and BMPT "Terminator".

Well ... well ... And who will clean the enemy trenches? KAZ and the Terminator? This is still out of the realm of fantasy. Not a single KAZ and even more so the Terminator will not save a tank from a shot from an ordinary "Fly" into the side from a trench from the level of a caterpillar, but an infantryman can easily

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

And who will clean the enemy trenches?

There is no need to prepare for the past wars, there will be no trenches in modern warfare, because in open areas they are quickly destroyed by guided munitions, aircraft and drones.

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

There is no need to prepare for past wars, there will be no trenches in modern warfare, because in open areas they are quickly destroyed by guided munitions and drones.

Do not carry nonsense ... Any WTO sample is a very expensive pleasure, so that they destroy every meter of dug trenches

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

Do not carry nonsense ... Any WTO sample is very expensive,

Do you really think that the infantry will be cleaning the trenches with bayonets attached? Have you thought about the cost of disposable kamikaze drones or barrage ammunition? And about penny plastic drones dropping a penny mine or a grenade on a cluster of equipment, manpower, fuel and lubricants depot, ammunition depot, and when several hundred of them go on the attack, will anyone live in the trenches?
One little mine ...

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

Do you really think that the infantry will be cleaning the trenches with bayonets attached?

No, now few people are wearing bayonets, they use small arms fire and grenades.

Quote: figvam

And about penny plastic drones dropping a penny mine or grenade on a cluster of equipment, manpower, fuel and lubricants depot, ammunition depot, and when there are several hundred of them attacked, will anyone live in the trenches?

What are you talking about? What is the fuel and lubricants warehouse? What congestion? Do you have any idea what a strong point of even a platoon is? What area is it located on? Have you ever heard of engineering or chemical support? What will your "cheap" drones see through the aerosol curtain?
Don't read fiction at night ...

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

operate with small arms fire and grenades.

Fight on without me)))

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

Fight on without me)))

Don't forget about science fiction ...

[lucul]

Tell me HOW? So the infantryman must cover the taak from the grenade launchers with fire. The tank clears the way for the infantry and covers it with its armor. How do you propose to break this ligament

It is too difficult to understand, for our Israeli "partners")))

[Old tanker]

Tell me HOW? So the infantryman must cover the tank from the grenade launchers with fire. The tank clears the way for the infantry and covers it with its armor. How do you propose to break this ligament

We have not had the Second World War for a long time. And the infantry has infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers for which it goes. Tanks, on the other hand, operate in front of a distance of 50-100 meters. During assault operations in the city, tanks follow the infantry at a distance of 400 meters.
Well, if the infantry really has to hide behind the armor of tanks, so from the opposite side from the enemy. The defeat of the infantry by KAZ is a very far-fetched topic.

[Old tanker]

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

Elementary Watson! In the offensive, the infantry goes at a considerable distance behind the tanks. On the defensive, it is in the trenches, too, not under the tank itself. Under the same conditions of battle, when you have to hide behind a tank, this is from the side opposite to the enemy. That is, where it is unlikely to arrive. So the defeat of KAZ's own infantry is a very far-fetched topic.

[svp67]

Quote: Old Tankman

In the offensive, the infantry goes at a considerable distance behind the tanks.

And it gives them a quiet burn to all "enthusiasts with grenade launchers" ... Experience shows that tanks in general let the infantry go ahead in front of the trenches, purely "gentlemanly" and begin to move only after the infantry begins to cleanse them

[Old tanker]

Where did you get such a never-before-experienced experience? Play along with the enemy by disrupting the pace of the offensive in front of his front line. Purchased on the couch or ottoman?
Do tanks slow down in front of the enemy's trenches, turn into stationary targets, and let the infantry pass under fire from all enemy weapons? For slaughter. And to clear the trenches even of the first echelon of defense of the platoon strongpoint of the company of the first echelon of defense of the battalion of the first echelon. there will be no one to the enemy. And during this time, the second echelons of the first-echelon companies will burn all the first-echelon GPs awaiting cleaning. Idiocy. Moreover, complete and unconditional.
And this is with positional defense. And with maneuvering trenches, there is practically no at all, and what will the infantry defend in front of the tanks?

[svp67]

Quote: Old Tankman

Where did you get such a never-before-experienced experience?

Experience of "low intensity conflicts"

Quote: Old Tankman

let the infantry come under fire from all enemy weapons?

You seem to be one of the "theoreticians", so what artillery support of the offensive have you probably heard? By this point, most of those remedies should be suppressed. And the tanks will not let the infantry in the trenches raise their heads. What is a "tank carousel" or "Syrian shaft" have you ever heard? Or in those textbooks that you read, no one wrote about her?
I also studied the Combat Manuals, what you are telling is the scenario of the Third World War, where the "Wall of Fire" should "roll" in front of the tanks. In the current conditions, who and when applied it?

[Old tanker]

Safe removal of infantry from explosions of their shells 400 meters, and 200 tanks, BMP - 300. Therefore, artillery escort presupposes the movement of tanks in front of the infantry. The enemy infantry simply does not have time to open fire from anti-tank weapons. Well, those who try to defend themselves are already in the zone of effective fire of our infantry.
In a tank carousel in 1996, I was spinning myself and in the second war I already led it. You inattentively read my comment, where I pointed out the tactics of assault operations in populated areas. But this applies to an offensive under special conditions.
Well, the "Syrian shaft" you mentioned was invented by the Chechens in the 90s and is used to support infantry in defense due to the small amount of artillery or its complete absence. What does the infantry have to do with clearing enemy trenches?
The barrage was used back in 1940 during the second successful assault on the Manerheim line.
I have great doubts about the fact that you have studied the combat manuals.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

And why keep the infantry next to the tanks from the KAZ?

Tanks in the first line will break into enemy defenses and hit enemy firing points, and the infantry in the second line will clear the territory under the cover of BMP armor.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Tanks in the first line will break into enemy defenses and hit enemy firing points, and the infantry in the second line will clear the territory under the cover of BMP armor.

And leave the tanks without cover ... So-so idea leading to this result

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The cover for the tanks will be KAZ, which was not on those tanks that are in the photo.

[svp67]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Cover for tanks will be KAZ, which was not on those tanks that are in the photo.

This is provided that the shooting is not fired from ground level ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: svp67

This is provided that the shooting is not fired from ground level ...

What's the difference? KAZ and from the "ground level" will intercept ...

[svp67]

Quote: yfast

How to avoid the defeat of infantry within a radius of 20-50m, and most likely more?

In Syria, for example, tanks often operate independently.

[Barberry25]

charter to carry out ... during the offensive, the distance between a tank platoon and a motorized rifle company should be about 100-200 meters ..

[Ross xnumx]

As the specialist explained, "Arena-M" provides all-round protection of the tank, including in the upper sphere, practically from the entire spectrum of homing ammunition, including the most modern types of the Israeli "Spike" and the American "Javelin"

It can only rejoice ... In practice, this means that the KAZ will make even ... invulnerable (insert the right one).
I was very inspired by the BMPT trials (47:40):

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[gregor6549]

Alas, the upper hemisphere is only partially protected (20 degrees in elevation), which means that diving ammunition such as Javelin or Spike can safely fly into an unprotected funnel

[Barberry25]

nicht, even 10 years ago, the developer said that it provides protection by turning the ammunition after launch

[Nikolaevich I]

What can I say? It is finished! Here's another reason to celebrate today along with Gunsmith's Day! Oh, shikoko I played at the VO in defense of "Arena-M"! How much did he prove that the modernization potential (and hence the possibilities ...) of KAZ is far from being exhausted! It is not "exhausted" at the present time! (1. Along with partially adjustable counter ammunition (pulse micromotors ...), it is possible to create full adjustable ...; 2. By adding a rocket engine and stabilization, you can increase the range or height of target destruction ...; 3. Striking elements can be not only ready-made tungsten fragments (FEM), but also a beam of small "shock nuclei" or a "throwable" plate ... (which reduces the zone dangerous for the "infantry" ...); 4. In the presence of appropriate launchers and equipping counter. ammunition engine, you can shoot counter ammunition even vertically and at a decent height ...

[DenVB]

sectors in elevation from minus 6 to 20 degrees.

Why are they so confident that 20 degrees will be enough to defend against javelins? I think they are quite capable of diving 45 degrees.

And such a threat as loitering ammunition? These can certainly dive more than 20 degrees.

And also the notorious "Bayraktars" and other "Reapers", which can even hit vertically with guided bombs and missiles (and much cheaper in comparison with the javelin).

What was adequate 20 years ago is now outdated. It is necessary to do full protection of the upper hemisphere.

[voyaka uh]

One apparatus on the tank lid.
The projectile is deployed towards the target.
This means that the system is multiply charged.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: voyaka uh

This means that the system is multiply charged.

Of course it is multiply charged. This version has 8 ammunition.

This option was also proposed (with 12)

The old version had much more of them, but they were not corrected, each covered its own sector.

[voyaka uh]

Eight is fine.
It is rare that a tank is showered with rockets and grenades.

[Barberry25]

in general, there are 6 of them, as I understood initially, there were 4 in general, but after the tests they presented that it would not be enough, so they shoved 2 more charges on the side .. although I personally think that you need to lengthen it back to close the spare parts and increase efficiency.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barberry25

in general, there are 6 of them, as I understood initially there were 4 in general

There are 2 charges in each cell, 2 cells on each side of the tower. And in addition, 8 charges (4 on each side)

[Barberry25]

I'm talking about one side

[Barberry25]

better seen

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Barberry25

better seen

Added here (2 more pieces per side), compared to the pictures that I posted.

[Barberry25]

Namely, they threw it apparently after the tests .. but I would have extended and installed normal paired launchers, nevertheless this will increase the safety of the tank and the costs will be minimal

[Barberry25]

it is optimal to build up the complex at the back and place 3-4 ammunition on the sides .. and then 6 on the side .. not enough.

[Troll]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

we are waiting for the video of the shooting range.
then there will be something to discuss

And what will be discussed there on the video. Fuck, bang, fire and smoke. It is better to discuss any licking of human hands with numbers in hand, and for numbers, video is not necessary.

[Morglenn]

T-72 and T-90 have been threatening to equip the Arena since the 90s. How much can you already experience?

[DenVB]

Quote: Morglenn

T-72 and T-90 have been threatening to equip the Arena since the 90s. How much can you already experience?

The problem, apparently, is not in testing, but in the possibility of production. We do not produce all of the component base ourselves, but it is difficult to buy there - they just do not sell it to us.

[Barberry25]

the question is in the price tag .. KAZ have a price in the region of 0,7-1 million dollars .. To understand the price of modernization of the T-72B3M in the region of 1,3 million dollars .. So we are waiting for the T-72b4

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Morglenn

T-72 and T-90 have been threatening to equip the Arena since the 90s. How much can you already experience?

As they say: "Yes, Fedot is not the same ..."! So what about the difference between "Arena" and "Arena-M"! "Arena-M" is practically another complex!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Arena-M "is practically another complex!

Yes, not practically, but generally different! Only the principle of destruction of enemy ammunition remained the same, and even then it is not a fact that it will not change over time.

[Dzafdet]

There will be no them. The generals would better set up their dachas. And the guys will again burn in the "boxes" ...

[_Ugene_]

how many years have these conversations and tests and KAZ in the troops has not been and still is not

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The Arena-M active protection complex, planned for installation on Russian T-72 and T-90 tanks, is capable of providing all-round protection from almost the entire range of anti-tank guided missiles, including Spikes and Javelins. This was reported in the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau (KBM).

It's fantastic.

When will we see the work of KAZ at least at the test site ?!

And it would also be good to equip several tank companies in Syria with these KAZs, which are located in the Idlib region. The Syrians would receive additional protection and confidence in their / our tanks, and we have experience in the combat use of KAZ and, in case of its successful use, the best advertisement for it.

Which would most likely then result in new contracts for the modernization of T-90 and T-72 tanks delivered for export.

Why has it taken so long to develop such a complex for our army ?!

[Nafanya from the sofa]

This is an excerpt from the memoirs of SP Invincible "Weapon of two eras". "Arena" was put into service in the mid-80s.
The fact that it is not on all Russian tanks can only be explained by the fact that someone "very responsible" deliberately slows down its implementation.

[czes]

Well, they would rather be installed on all armored vehicles!

[BakД ± Azerbaycan]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Maki Avellevich

we are waiting for the video of the shooting range.
then there will be something to discuss

From 29 minutes.

SPG-9 did not intercept
RPG-7 intercepted

And why were you minus ...

[Flurry]

Because at 29:20 an LNG-9 interception is visible. The warhead of the grenade was initiated by a counter-ammunition 1-2 m (!) Before the tank. Watch the video carefully and there will be happiness ..

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Rafale

Because at 29:20 the interception of SPG-9 is visible.

At this minute, the test against the RPG-7, the shot from it cannot be confused with anything. In addition, there is a full video:

[Flurry]

Then where does the data on the non-interception of the LNG shot come from?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Rafale

Watch the video carefully and there will be happiness ..

[riwas]

Here in this article
https://bukren.my1.ru/Ware/btr_ww.doc
it is proposed as a protection to throw a net towards flying ATGMs and anti-tank grenades.
In general, we need a missile defense robot to intercept ATGM, UAB and air-to-ground missile launchers on more distant approaches.

[Sergei N 58912062]

For probably more than twenty years we have been hearing about KAZ "Arena", and KAZ "Arena-M" has already appeared. Only now there is neither one nor the other on our tanks.