The tenth MRK project 21631 "Buyan-M" launched in Zelenodolsk

In Zelenodolsk, another MRK of project 21631 "Buyan-M" was launched. The ceremony took place at the shipyard named after Gorky. This was reported by the press service of the enterprise.

The tenth "Buyan-M", named "Grad", after completion will go to serve in the Baltic Fleet. The transfer of the ship to the Russian Navy is scheduled for 2022, more precise dates are not given.

This is the 10th ship. Nine ships are already in service. They have proven their high efficiency, their weapons, in general, seaworthiness when performing special tasks, combat missions in the Syrian Arab Republic

- said at the ceremony the head of the Shipbuilding Directorate of the Main Command of the Russian Navy Ilyas Shigapov

To date, the Russian Navy has nine IRAs of project 21631 "Buyan-M", three more are being completed in Zelenodolsk. The tenth "Grad" and the eleventh "Naro-Fominsk" fleet will receive in 2022, another - the twelfth "Stavropol" - in 2023. This will complete the series of small missile ships of this project.

Earlier, the Navy announced that the project 22800 Karakurt RTOs had been ordered to replace Buyan-M.

RTOs of project 21631 "Buyan-M" are multipurpose ships of the "river-sea" type, equipped with modern weapons, including eight high-precision cruise missiles "Caliber". Displacement - 949 tons with a length of 75 meters and a width of 11 meters. The maximum speed is 25 knots. Cruising range - 2500 miles, autonomy - 10 days. The crew is 52 people. Installed jet propulsion.

Comments

[svp67]

The spool is small, but in the current conditions it is expensive ... Seven feet under the keel

[Vaccine]

Quote: svp67

The spool is small, but in the current conditions it is expensive ... Seven feet under the keel

I join Sergey! The ship is handsome and the armament is not bad .. And the name of the project "Buyan" speaks for itself ..

Quote: Ros 56

It pleases, let's quietly descend from the mountain and ... more about the herd. Greetings to the tribaltes and the lyaham.

Anecdote on the topic Yuri, thank you laughed heartily ..

[Machito]

Good series. Karakurt, of course, is more serious, and is also needed in a large series. But Buyans are a good substitute for land-based cruise missiles in the European part of the country. Although the INF Treaty has already died, our sworn friends, formally, have not yet deployed cruise missiles in Europe. However, it is not known what is installed in universal cells in Poland and Romania.
We must keep the powder dry.

[isv000]

Quote: svp67

The spool is small, but in the current conditions it is expensive ... Seven feet under the keel

Small bug and smelly!

[Ros 56]

It pleases, let's quietly descend from the mountain and ... more about the herd. Greetings to the tribaltes and the lyaham.

[Vladimir1155]

easily transferred by inland waterways, on shallow and closed seas they can serve (the Azov Black Baltic and Caspian) by freeing from there all the corvettes and frigates and a cruiser so needed in the North and Kamchatka, seven feet under the keel!

[Rubi0]

Maybe they can, but that's why they put a water jet propulsion device for the shallow waters of the Caspian, where it was originally intended and where there are no British destroyers. For the Black Sea, you need a faster Karakurt with 3 screws

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Rubi0

For the Black Sea, you need a faster Karakurt with 3 screws

I agree, but there are still more benefits from 12 Buyans than from Kuzi, who is a money vacuum cleaner and only

[Boa kaa]

Quote: vladimir1155

12 Buyans are still more useful than Kuzi

Again twenty-five! And not tired of running around on a rake?
They would have left Kuzya alone. And the second thing. You should not compare a terrier and a wolfhound - different purposes ...
AHA.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

You should not compare a terrier and a wolfhound - different purposes ...

great if RTOs are terriers, RPKSN are wolfhounds, then Kuzya? most likely an old sick and blind toothless mongrel lying all the time in the hospital, but sooooo fat and gluttonous

[lucul]

I agree, but there are still more benefits from 12 Buyans than from Kuzi, who is a money vacuum cleaner and only

Pffff ...
Tirpitz also devoured a lot of money and fuel, and did not really fight, having stood almost all the time in the port. And Britain kept a large fleet in the area, only to keep Tirpitz from turning around.
Have you heard anything about force projection? )))

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: lucul

Have you heard anything about force projection?

I heard and know that this is bullshit, the term for journalists and laymen who believe them, they repeat like butts what they do not understand and think childishly ... and if we talk about a defenseless, vulnerable and bulky Kuza, because the projection of force is a force capable of 1 delivering such a blow on the enemy so that his losses are sooo great 2 capable of ensuring its combat stability (or sooo powerful defense or stealth), 3 tactical and strategic ability to maintain its capabilities in PP 1-2 for a long time ... so that the projection of force can be with us to provide only ICBMs, SSBNs and Aerospace Forces, all the rest and the naval and ground forces this support of the first three, the more Kuzya with his link of old aircraft, with his low-speed visibility and the absence of defense and combat missions ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It was after your this message that I stopped reading the topic. What for? I've read this a thousand times already - I'm not interested. And this is not because I disagree with you, but because it has already been passed a thousand times.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

exactly after your this message

I will not say that I have a hypertrophied PSV, but it is clear, however, that my thoughts do not leave indifferent so much that you could not even witness this to me ..... it is important for you that I (great and terrible) still learn about your existence ?

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: vladimir1155

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

exactly after your this message

I will not say that I have a hypertrophied PSV, but it is clear, however, that my thoughts do not leave indifferent so much that you could not even witness this to me ..... it is important for you that I (great and terrible) still learn about your existence ?

but seriously, what does your opinion have to do with it? your ChSV is swollen ???, and you think to find the truth in the voting? you have neither tactical nor technical arguments, but only your hypertrophied "opinion" that you want to convey to everyone in order to be noticed ...?

[Barberry25]

Therefore, Buyanov needed to complete the construction together with the Grad 3 pieces, and Karakurtov already laid out 12 pieces with a delivery rate of 2-3 per year

[Vladimir1155]

There will be no more karakurts either, they just started to release them later and therefore there are more of them in the construction, the idea of ​​the mrk was caused by the drmsd, which the United States canceled with a cunning move, fooling our strategists ... however, brawlers and karakurt can come in handy in the sea by freeing frigates and corvettes and even more so a cruiser for tasks in the Northern Fleet and Kamchatka, and I also believe that, compared to the useless, vulnerable and super-expensive Kuzey, not only MRK, but even a non-self-propelled barge for coal is much more useful.

[Barberry25]

Well, I heard that the idea of ​​an OVR corvette based on Karakurt is hovering ... but so far there is nothing further than a photo and a half of the model ... although my personal opinion is that in this case you need not suffer garbage, but build modernized Cheetahs 3,9 with Calibers for OVR

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Barberry25

Well, I heard that the idea of ​​an OVR corvette based on Karakurt is hovering ... but so far there is nothing further than a photo and a half of the model ... although my personal opinion is that in this case you need not suffer garbage, but build modernized Cheetahs 3,9 with Calibers for OVR

I agree that, one way or another, the need for an IPC OVR is obvious. however, the idea is still only hovering, unfortunately, I personally like the Cheetahs, but it is also possible a karakurt PLO, and we also need PLO planes, there are almost no such planes, and so far ideas are only floating around

[Barberry25]

well .. the complexity of Karakurt PLO I see in the fact that again I will have to design a lot, test and bring to mind .. in any case, about "in 2 years will hand over the ship" - you can forget .. About PLO aircraft, as I understand it, they are waiting for Il -114

[venik]

Quote: Rubi0

For the Black Sea, you need a faster Karakurt with 3 screws

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All this is of course true .... Yes, and "Karakurt" is a wonderful RTO .... But the question arises, why the modernization of the Buyanov "stalled". There were projects to improve seaworthiness by installing on-board rudders-anti-roll, and the version with the installation of ZRPK "Pantsir-M" instead of the stern "Duet" and "Gibka" would have done without any overweight at all: there the weight characteristics are generally obtained: " bash-na-bash "(both are about 14 tons!).
There remains the problem of low speed .... But, in fact, did it interfere with the installation of the third diesel 10D49 and the third water cannon? Fuel consumption? Well, 12-knot speed could be achieved even at lower diesel speeds, and therefore with lower fuel consumption ...
So the maximum range the speed would hardly have seriously decreased .... But the speed of the full and economic speed should have increased by at least 3.5 - 5.5 knots, or even more!
Result: it would have turned out quite decent shock corvette capable ofat least "on equal terms" resist to resist corvettes like "Ada" (and the like)!
In the presence of 8 supersonic ASM, ZRPK "Pantsir-M" and "Gibki" (capable of firing not only MANPADS, but also ATGM "Attack") and 100-mm AU, such a machine is quite capable of driving all over the Black Sea, everything that is smaller than a frigate and even some frigates!
Why such modernization did not take place .... God knows ?? Most likely - money ...

[Motorist]

Quote: venik

Well, 12-knot speed could be achieved even at lower diesel speeds, and therefore with lower fuel consumption ...

At 12 nodes, the towing resistance is the same, regardless of the number of propellers. Fuel consumption partly depends on the type of SSU, but not on their number.

[seregin-s1]

Sorry! Why does he need more speed? To run away from enemy missiles? Or maybe from torpedoes?

[isv000]

Quote: Rubi0

Maybe they can, but that's why they put a water jet propulsion device for the shallow waters of the Caspian Sea

Russia is full of rivers and lakes where there is a place for him and, given the range of the Caliber, these Ships (with a capital letter) can bring a potential enemy not only a headache but also hemorrhoids! They will walk with an umbrella - no one knows where, where and, most importantly, when it will drip ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vladimir1155

easily transferred by inland waterways, on shallow and closed seas they can serve (the Azov Black Baltic and Caspian) by freeing from there all the corvettes and frigates and a cruiser so needed in the North and Kamchatka, seven feet under the keel!

Here are just no air defense, unfortunately.

[paul3390]

Like PLO ...

[Captain45]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Here are just no air defense, unfortunately.

Quote: paul3390

Like PLO ...

I'm not a big expert in navies, but if -MRK project 21631 "Buyan-M" are multipurpose ships of the "river-sea" typeequipped with modern weapons, including eight high-precision cruise missiles "Caliber"., the main word in the type is RIVER, why do they need PLO? Whose, what kind of submarines are the threat for them on the Volga, Don or the Caspian Sea, Lake Ladoga, from where they easily cover half of Europe or the entire Middle East with their CDs. Also with air defense in internal basins. For now, planes will reach them through several air defense lines from the border.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Captain45

I am not a great specialist in navies, but if -MRKs of project 21631 Buyan-M are multipurpose ships of the "river-sea" type, equipped with modern weapons,

you are right, the fact is that both anti-aircraft defense and anti-aircraft defense corny have a mass, and it is simply impossible to arrange all this on such a small ship, our rivers are not deep and narrow

[isv000]

Quote: vladimir1155

you are right, the fact is that both anti-aircraft defense and anti-aircraft defense corny have a mass, and it is simply impossible to arrange all this on such a small ship, our rivers are not deep and narrow

Our rivers are covered by the country's air defense, a rare plane can manage to fly to Onega or the Volga with the Don!

[venik]

Quote: paul3390

Like PLO ...

=======
And you have seen a lot of RTOs or large RCs with anti-submarine weapons??

[seregin-s1]

We urgently need to install the S-600! And RBU-12000!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: seregin-s1

We urgently need to install the S-600! And RBU-12000!

It is possible and more modest, the "Osoy-AKM" cost 1234 with a displacement of 700 tons and a speed of 35 knots.

[isv000]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Here are just no air defense, unfortunately.

And the country's air defense does not count? And the army is everywhere. You don't think that Onega, Ladoga, Volga and Don are not covered? ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: isv000

And the country's air defense does not count?

Let me remind you that the Buyan-M MRC is of course of the "river-sea" class, but still more of the sea, and if Iran is more likely to be a potential enemy in the Caspian Sea, then Turkey, Romania and even Bulgaria are quite likely opponents on the Black Sea. And with a speed of 25 knots, you can't really run away under the cover of your air defense, in which case.

[isv000]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And at a speed of 25 knots, you can't really run away under the cover of your air defense, in which case.

And from Ladoga on a potential enemy - a fantasy?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: isv000

And from Ladoga on a potential enemy - a fantasy?

Nice addition. ))) But just look at which fleets and fleets Buyans have distributed: CFL, BF, Black Sea Fleet. Ladoga is not observed, and the Baltic Fleet is the Baltic, we have even more "friends" there than at the World Cup.

[isv000]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But just look at which fleets and fleets Buyans have distributed

The construction of the series is not finished, and the Baltic Sea is just a stone's throw away ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: isv000

The construction of the series is not finished, and the Baltic Sea is just a stone's throw away ...

The DRSDM is covered, so a mediocre boat with limited functionality is not particularly needed. No need for a series. As for the Baltika, this is not the only place, let me remind you ...

[sabakina]

Quote: vladimir1155

easily transferred by inland waterways, on shallow and closed seas they can serve (Azov Black

All this is good, except that Britain is going to build large missile boats in the country ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: sabakina

All this is good, except that Britain is going to build large missile boats in the country ...

As they say - a big ship is a big torpedo (rocket)

[isv000]

Quote: Piramidon

As they say - a big ship is a big torpedo (rocket)

Krainsky - two!

[geologist]

A beautiful ship! Happy sailing!

[faiver]

Clean water for a new ship

[Ross xnumx]

On this, a series of small missile ships of this project will be completed.

I stopped and read about:

Earlier, the Navy announced that they ordered to replace Buyan-M MRK project 22800 "Karakurt".

Quite a worthy replacement. Although, the Russian Navy should be strong not only by RTOs.

[next322]

Needed for the Black Sea 20385. but not this weak lake-river slow-moving garbage

[venik]

Quote: next322

Needed for the Black Sea 20385. but not this weak lake-river slow-moving garbage

=======
Weak in armament? Am I right?
Let's start with the fact that in terms of the composition of weapons it significantly surpasses the first 20385 series: 100-mm AU versus 76-mm, "Duet" (2x6 30-mm) = 2 AK-630 and plus another 2x4 "Gibka" launchers .... . This is just most recentThe "Karakurt" are equipped with the "Pantsir-M" air defense system and therefore are somewhat better equipped against the air threat .....

[prior]

God grant that these "Buyans" never have to get upset.
Let them walk on peaceful waters with seven feet under the keel ...

[storm]

After the release of 18 Karakurt, it is necessary to get rid of this "hodgepodge" that had to be formed in the fleets.
6 units. Buyan-M to collect at BF and CFL
6 units. Collect Karakurt at the Black Sea Fleet, Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet
This will significantly simplify and reduce the cost of supply, repair, crew training ...

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: assault

6 units. Buyan-M to collect at BF and CFL

Buyan-M in the Baltic is shitty in winter from ice sludge, it has a water jet propulsion.

[storm]

In winter Buyany-M will go to the practically ice-free Neva ...

[g1v2]

In general, I agree that it is necessary to clean up the assortment. But it is only necessary to change the gadflies and the river for Karakurt. PM in the Baltic and the Black Sea Fleet at 12 mrk is a necessary minimum. And I would still transfer Buyan back to the Black Sea Fleet, replacing it with Karakurt. In the Caspian - 3-6 mrk, the Caspian flotilla is already head and shoulders above all competitors there and is easily supported by aviation from land. At the Pacific Fleet, it is more likely that even more is needed - about 12-18 pieces, because there is too large a zone of TVD and too serious opponents. But on the Northern Fleet they are not needed at all. MRK will not be useful there. My IMHO of course.

[donavi49]

The Caspian flotilla is head and shoulders above all competitors

Not a fact anymore. Arkadag Pustyn owns the most advanced fleet, the largest warship and a mosquito fleet with 16-4-2 anti-ship missiles.

[g1v2]

1 corvette, a couple of missile boats and a dozen raptor-sized patrol boats against two cheetahs, 3 mrk with uksk, 3 artillery ships and a missile boat? Moreover, supported by aviation and Ball from the shore? I would not put a Turkmenbashi on the fleet. But to calm down, 3 more Buyan-m can be added to the composition.
But, of course, the fact that the Turkmenbashi is cooperating with the Turks in the plan of the military-industrial complex in spite of all the Turkmen contradictions with the Azeri cannot but be alarming. I would not be surprised if he also buys bayraktars.

[donavi49]

1 corvette with Mika's air defense system for a minute. CFL has no ship equal to it. The Iranians do too. If you do not take all sorts of narrow specializations, the level of SLCM strikes.
2 export Lightning bolts again from 16 X-35. Despite the fact that the CFL has a flagship complex (on one ship - Tatarstan), the Osa air defense system, the main Gibka + MZA.
At least 6 heavy patrol boats of the Turkish project (the size of Buyan), where a new anti-ship missile Teseo-Otomat, stealth, multi-mode seeker was also installed. The Simbad-RS installation was also mounted - in fact, the French analogue of Gibka, also stabilized by the GOS + drives and a pack of MANPADS (Mistral)

The first series of 4 PSKR and also high-speed small boats (about 10 of them riveted) carry 2/4 of the SyKiller anti-ship missiles - 300 kg of launch mass, 25-30 km launch, 0,8M at 3 meters above the surface (again, reliably intercepting such a stupid neither Iran nor CFL have anything).

Well, the Turkmenbashi Air Defense also has a car and a bogie, it is purchased in China (the first foreign operator is HQ-9/2000 - that is, S-300PMU / 2), and in the west.

So the Turkmens have now become very strong in the last 5 years. In general, they are definitely moving the Persians, and they have approached the CFL very closely.

[g1v2]

Well, apparently the Turkmenbashi are arming themselves against the Azeri. I am skeptical about Mika's zrk. Perhaps I am mistaken, but with its range it is a self-defense weapon. Moreover, it has not yet been tested in practice. Against onyx, I would not bet on it. Regarding light boats with a Sikiller, in my opinion, this is a fairly competent move for the Turkmens in terms of confrontation with Baku. Yes, we can get in trouble, But about the heavy patrols was not in the know - it will be necessary to familiarize yourself with the performance characteristics. But it seems that such spending implies the possibility of conflict. The Turkmen only had a conflict at sea with the Azeri. And the Azeri are now friends with the Turks. To what extent are the Turks ready to arm some relatives against others? Or is business a business?

[isv000]

Quote: donavi49

Arkadag Pustyn owns the most advanced fleet, the largest warship and a mosquito fleet with 16-4-2 anti-ship missiles.

Enlighten - where did they buy everything, did they really build it themselves?

[donavi49]

They themselves built with Turkish help (Gulkhan and Dersan companies), they also modernized the former repair shipyard in Ufra into a completely normal shipbuilding enterprise. They constantly build different ships there, just this corvette of almost 2000 tons is a mega-project for the shipyard. And the routine goes on there all the time. The standard is iron, that is, the sections are made on the spot, and all the filling is transported through Turkish contractors and they also control everything. At first, the same patrol boats were carried in pieces and in saturated sections, for example, the machine was actually collected. Now, they carry individual systems and units and integrate them on the spot.

[isv000]

Quote: donavi49

They built themselves with Turkish help

I am tormented by vague doubts for the "help" of the Turks: Azerbaijan was kindly treated, the Turkmens - will not the Sultan and his two new beloved wives merge in one ecstasy? Will not Turkey be born from this love "from sea to sea"? Thank you - enlightened ...

[donavi49]

Azerbaijan is still much thinner smoke and lower chimney, if we talk about the fleet. So far there are only talks about a 1500t patrolman (or rather a competition for it) and a corvette-MRK. Again, now Azerbaijan is guided by Israel in the issue of the fleet. And the main sailing ship there is Israeli with Spikes and the PSKR boat is also Israel. By the way, they are building with less localization than the Turkmens. Although they are moving towards full-fledged construction.

[isv000]

Quote: donavi49

Again, now Azerbaijan is guided by Israel in the issue of the fleet.

But why all this mouse fuss? A northern top will come and bite on the barrel ...

[Jacket in stock]

All the benefits of these RTOs are launching calibers. That with the dying of the agreement on the RMSD has become not very relevant.
There is no benefit from them exactly as from ships, well, except in the Caspian Sea. And even there their calibers are redundant. Light anti-ship missiles, perhaps, could be more useful.

[Crabong]

25 knots. Weak ... There is no normal power plant even for such a tub. And they are talking about some aircraft carriers!

[I am not a robot]

why should he be faster, and moreover, the aircraft carriers are here

[bk316]

There is no normal power plant even for such a tub.

To withdraw to the glider?

[Glagol1]

Crew 36-38 people. 52 - this is together, for example, with the Marine Corps. Max. The ship is not bad, the most important thing is serial production. Good news.

[grassyknollgunner]

Who specifically from the IMF leadership lobbied for this project? Can you find the names? I'd like to thank you very much ...

[next322]

MRK is frankly weak ..,. Starting from unreliable Chinese engines. 8 calibers, no onyx, minimum speed of only 25 knots, practically none ..... AK 630 m2 is an anachronism of the last century, flat .......

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: next322

Mrk is frankly weak

Especially against this background:

Visby-class corvettes

Totals
600 / t. - Displacement
72,8 / 10,4 / 2,4 m. - Dimensions (length / width / draft)
35 knots -Progress speed
2300 miles - Cruising range
43 people - Crew

Missile armament:

8 anti-ship missiles RBS-15 Mk II or RBS-15 Mk III
2 × 8 PU SAM RBS 23 Bamse

Artillery:
1 × 57 mm Bofors SAK 57 Mk3.

Anti-submarine weapons:
2 × 2 400-mm torpedo tubes with Type 43 or Type 45 anti-submarine torpedoes;
2 × 127 mm Alecto rocket launchers.

Mine armament:
Mine search station Bofors "Double Eagle" Mk. 8 "ROV-S";
Fighter mines STN Atlas Elektronik "Seafox" "ROV-E".

Radar weapons:
Radar Ericsson "Sea Giraffe" AMB;
Navigation radar of Saab Systems & Electronics;
Shooting radar CEROS 200;
SJC Hydra;
Passive towed GAS;
Active lowered GAS.
Radio-electronic armament

Electronic warfare system Rheinmetall TKWA / MASS;
BIUS Certis C3;
Information support system MAST;
Fire control system LMS 9LV Mk. 3E.

Aviation Group:
1 Agusta A.109 helicopter, hangar space reserved

[lopuhan2006]

This is a pain for any of our sailors ...

[Orkraider]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: next322

Mrk is frankly weak

Especially against this background:

Visby-class corvettes


Missile armament:

8 anti-ship missiles RBS-15 Mk II or RBS-15 Mk III
2 × 8 PU SAM RBS 23 Bamse

Aviation Group:
1 Agusta A.109 helicopter, hangar space reserved

Good afternoon.
And have all of the weapons listed above been installed on the Visby?
As far as I remember, the missile defense system was never installed, during the upgrade (to version 5), the weapons were cut, and now HSwMS Helsingborg and HSwMS Härnösand are not carried on board the TA.

[gorenina91]

- And what, the installation of hypersonic "Zircons" and "Daggers" on these "MRK project 21631" Buyan-M "is not provided ??? - Or only" Caliber "can be installed there ???
- Personally, I am not an expert in this area at all; but it seems to me that such "Project 21631 Buyan-M" RTOs armed with hypersonic weapons ... - would be very useful for the Russian Pacific Fleet ... against Japan (USA) ... - And what can I say ... "if something happens" - and against China too ...
- So ... - to make these "RTOs of project 21631" Buyan-M "more high-speed and build more of them, arm them well ... - and they will become just a threat for many enemies of Russia ... - they will be able to reliably close everything the coast of Russia ... - What is in the Far East; what is on the Black Sea (and in the Mediterranean Sea - the coast of Syria); what is on the Baltic Sea ...
- All this will cost Russia much less than implementing many projects for the construction of giant monsters (aircraft carriers and other "floating mastodons") ...
- Eh, it's a pity that Russia did not manage to get the Mistral ... - Otherwise, one such ship in the Mediterranean and the flotilla of these MRK project 21631 Buyan-M would provide Russia with "local dominance" in this region .. ...
- It's the same in the Far East; the same is true in the Baltics (Kaliningrad, etc.) ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: gorenina91

but it seems to me that such "MRK project 21631 Buyan-M", armed with hypersonic weapons ... - would be very useful for the Russian Pacific Fleet

Nothing is known about the possibility of installing Zircons, because the ships were made long before.
But what about the usefulness in the Mediterranean Sea, or, even more so in the Pacific Fleet, you have had enough.
Buyan is a boat, with no seaworthiness. Is that on the Amur in a quiet backwater to stand.
It's basically just a floating launcher. It is not intended for more.
With the cancellation of the INF Treaty, it completely lost its meaning of existence, because as a ship it is completely useless. And it will be much cheaper to make a launcher on a truck, and it will be much more convenient, simpler and cheaper to use.

[bk316]

"Daggers"

Irina is not a plane, but a ship
And zircon has not yet been adopted ...

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

The ship is definitely good. And the fact that there is no longer a treaty does not implore the value of the rocket ship. All the same, ground installations do not know how to swim yet, and the extra several hundred kilometers that the boat can give in the direction of the reptile will not interfere.
If you put Caliber or Onyx on such a boat, and protect it with a Shell, then we can safely say that the surface adversary (of any class and quantity) will think a lot: he needs to - climb into the radius of action, and this radius is 1500 km. Which is not enough. Speed ​​in this case is secondary.

In the light of PLO, as well as escort, you can forget. First: too slow; second: for our length - such ships should be built not in dozens, but in hundreds. A drop in the ocean in the truest sense. Only a system of buoys can really help us here, and a good fleet of anti-submarine aircraft.

[gorenina91]

such ships should be built not in dozens, but in hundreds.

- Yes, that's the point ... - This is exactly the case when such a large number of such "ships" is simply necessary for Russia ... - And for such a "set" it is possible to develop and compose an "algorithm of action" "MRK project 21631" Buyan-M "... - And such a system of protection and striking will be practically invulnerable ... - because try to destroy a lot of fast, first-class armed and stealthy" ships "... - It's all the same that to shoot from a cannon at sparrows ... - if at all ... - you will have time to shoot them with this cannon at these "sparrow-ships" at least once ...
- My plus to you ...

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

There, those who are against say, they say, but why, when the same caliber is fired from the shore, then it comes out. Does not exceed. The ship can close those areas that, for various reasons, are not closed from the shore. And the main thing is mobility. Here, the installation was disabled or shot in the zone F where a thread in Kamchatka or in Yamal. It will take a long time to bring the new things there. Or there is clearly not enough capacity in the zone Zh, but it is necessary urgently. And such ships fly there like moths, and sting the foe from where he does not expect. It's just that we still cannot understand a simple thing: the best, fastest and most convenient road is water. Of course, for those who know how to use it. A road that you don't need to follow. The disgusting Englishmen have learned this well.

[gorenina91]

Here, the installation was disabled or shot in the zone F where a thread in Kamchatka or in Yamal. It will take a long time to bring the new things there. Or there is clearly not enough capacity in the zone Zh, but it is necessary urgently. And such ships fly there like moths, and sting the foe from where he does not expect.

- Yes, that's the point ... - hundreds of such ships can seriously change the balance of power ... - These ships can easily move quite far into the ocean and inflict many fatal blows ... - so they can easily reach the territory USA, Canada, etc. ... - but there is nothing to say about the territory and objects of China. - this is at all - everything is near ...
- And you can easily combine a combination of "Project 21631 Buyan-M" MRKs controlled by the crew and the same "unmanned ships" that will be controlled by "crewed" Project 21631 Buyan-M MRKs (let's say 1: 3) .. - And try to determine ... which ships are "simply controlled", and which ones are with a crew ... - And include "unmanned mini submarines" in this armada (there are flying UAVs - so why can't there be "controlled submarines UAV ") ... - Plus to all the surface and underwater" tankers "with fuel (just in case) ... - And such a large" armada "- ... - will simply crush absolutely everything ... - Personally, I already wrote that it is necessary to draw up a program for the action of such an armada ... - it is quite easy to do ... - (yes, even personally, I could easily make such a program ... - a joke ... - Hahah ...) ... - And Russia needs a new satellite connection ... to "correct" and control this armada ... - And all this NATO (with its aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers)) + China (with its a gigantic stupid fleet and a gigantic land army) ... - will become simply ridiculous ... - And it is for Russia that it is very optimal to create such "armada" ... the gigantic (mostly sparsely populated) Russian coast makes Russia relatively invulnerable ... - But how can they suffer ... - enemy "island states" and states "very strongly washed by seas and oceans" ... - far and close to Russia. .. - And here the former naval base in Cam Ranh would be very useful to Russia ...
- And these "armadas" themselves will be quite invulnerable ... - among them there will be many "drones" (ships without crew) and the enemy simply will not have enough submarines and aircraft to fight them ... there will be continuous "rocket fire at sparrows." ..
- My plus to you ...

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Ospidya .....
Well, porridge in your head.
What Brawler? Which ocean?
These are river boats with zero seaworthiness.
And for the same Kamchatka, he will not sail earlier than Ruslan with Iskander on board. But what is there, he may not swim there at all, for seaworthiness is zero,
And also winter happens, this is for those who fantasize about Yamal here ...

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

So no one drives them to Okeyan. For more serious coastal sea zones, you can use Karakurt, and this zone is more than a loose concept. And there is no need to drive anything from the Baltic, to have a boat in place - give or take a few thousand kilometers along the coastal zone.

And here, by the way, about Yamal. Essentially a strategically important region, gas for $ 1000. How can he be Buyan, will he be able to ride on the Ob and the Ob Bay?

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

from wiki

During the Great Patriotic War, the Northern Sea Route was the most important transport artery of the Soviet North. The Pacific Fleet warships were escorted to the Barents Sea along the Northern Sea Route. During the four years of war, the courts of the Glavsevmorput carried out a large volume of military and national economic transportations. Through the Arctic ports of Naryan-Mar, Igarka, Dudinka, Dikson, Tiksi, the fleet was supplied with coal (from the Pechora and other Arctic basins), and the military industry was supplied with nickel, copper, and timber. Transportation was often carried out against the enemy aircraft, submarines and surface ships, in mined coastal waters. The protection of Arctic communications was carried out by the Northern Fleet, shipping was provided by a system of sea convoys. In August 1942, the icebreaking ships "Sibiryakov", "Dezhnev" and the coastal artillery of the port of Dikson gave a heroic rebuff to the heavy cruiser "Admiral Scheer" [14]... Hundreds of ships sailed along the Northern Sea Route, of which about 170 were in convoys. Over 4 million tons of various cargoes were transported. The chief of Glavsevmorput, I.D.Papanin, made a great contribution to the development of the Arctic transport fleet. For their selfless work during the war years, over a hundred employees of Glavsevmorput were awarded orders and medals of the USSR.

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The Northern Sea Route

Sure sure.
Especially in the topic about the Buyans and how they will fly like moths ...
It’s not funny for yourself?
And yes, I remind you about winter again. And she has been in the Arctic Window for 10 months.

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

Yes, in winter no one will stick there anyway. I haven't heard about Obi. Can you serve on Obi Buyan or not? As for 10 out of 12. So two months is not a little at all. For example, it was from the north (Murmansk) that the sharks of capitalism in the 18th tried to gain a foothold on the territory of Russia. Now, obviously, their opportunities are more serious ...

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Can you serve on Obi Buyan or not?

Can.
But why?
His only weapon, the Caliber from the Gulf of Ob, will not fly anywhere. And against hypothetical invaders, he is absolutely useless. The same applies to Murmansk.

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if the enemy covers the little land defense that is there, you get a through hole inside and out.

I do not argue, I myself expressed the same idea here.
But how exactly Buyans can help here? Yes, nothing.
They do not have weapons suitable for the defense of the water area and coast.

[gorenina91]

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Well, porridge in your head.
What Brawler? Which ocean?

- Porridge in a plate, cabbage soup in a cauldron; and the head is in ... in a jacket ...

And also winter happens, this is for those who are about Yamal

- About Yamal .... - "Yamal" accidentally fell into the middle of someone else's quote given by me ... - Here is a fragment of it:
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the installation was shot in zone W where-thread in Kamchatka or in Yamal. It will take a long time to bring the new things there. Or there is clearly not enough capacity in the zone Zh, but it is necessary urgently.

- As for Kamchatka ... - everything is quite real ...

These are river boats with zero seaworthiness.

- If it is true ; then it is necessary to build corvettes that can perform tasks ... corresponding to those that I personally wrote about "above" ...
- And, if this is not so, then "bring to mind" those that are already in stock ... - Or what ... - you have to wait for something ??? - Or ask the Chinese to build us river pleasure boats from which we can "launch fireworks" ???
- It's like with a UAV ... - we were all waiting for something and arguing ... - do we need our own UAVs ...
- And when the "roast cock pecked" ... - everyone was convinced - how effective UAVs are and that one simply cannot do without them in a modern local war (and not only in a local one) ... - then they began to make up for lost time ... - to catch up with great difficulty ... - It turned out that it is not as easy as ... how ... how to sew jackets ...
- And now a similar situation "a'la UAV" is being repeated in the field of naval weapons ... - Now here we will wait for the "fried rooster" ...

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you need to build corvettes that can perform tasks ...

Duc and I mean it.
For the sea, it is necessary to build naval-class ships and it is good if they will be able to do something useful specifically for naval missions, and not just launch strategic missiles.
So it is necessary to build NOT Brawlers.

[isv000]

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And for the same Kamchatka, he will not sail earlier than Ruslan with Iskander on board. But what is there, he may not swim there at all, for seaworthiness is zero,

Will the electronic drawings "arrive" at the Far East shipyard?

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the best, fastest and most convenient road is water.

Come on, tell us where these "moths" Buyans fly to Kamchatka and Yamal from?
Black or Baltic?
Draw us a convenient water road on the map ...

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

If it is absolutely stupid and formal to approach, then, probably, nothing can be done at all. Let Buyan serve where he is supposed to, because even there he is needed. If there is a Buyan somewhere, then somewhere else you can have Karakurt. Honestly, I don’t know: why did you decide that the Karakurt could not serve in the coastal zone (or in some part of it) of the Far East?

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why did you decide that the Karakurt could not serve in the coastal zone (or in some part of it) of the Far East?

I?
Decided?
About Karakurt ?!
Actually, you wrote here about the need for Buyan boats. And I wrote that just Buyans are not needed.
About Karakurt neither you nor I mentioned.

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

So this is essentially one topic. Where there is a Buyan, Karakurt is not needed. Hence...

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Where there is a Buyan, Karakurt is not needed. Hence

Noooo.
Karakurt is needed where Buyan cannot reach. And it looks more like a real ship.
There is, however, one sadness, they can also be built no more than one per year. As well as, for example, full-fledged corvettes.
And as we have already found out here, corvettes will be much more useful.

[isv000]

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And I wrote that just Buyans are not needed.

There are many rivers and lakes in the Far East, and there are many places where they can serve. And it is not at all necessary to carry them across all of Russia, it is enough to build them on the spot ...

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In the Far East, there are a lot of rivers and lakes and places where they can serve

But why?
Build on site for what?
So that there were launchers for the Calibers?
Well, now nothing prevents you from loading missiles into launchers from Iskander, which are a thousand times cheaper, and you can make them as much as you like, and place them where necessary, and move them where and when needed, and not just 3-4 months a year ...
And there is no other benefit from Buyans, they are no longer suitable for anything.

[Smoke]

Comrade once served at the MRK. In the same brigade and at the same time, which was the deceased "Monsoon" (this will not be forgotten). Therefore, yes, there is a special reverence for small rocket launchers.