Forward and upward: behind the sixth generation of fighters

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Defense News, in fact a colleague of the Military Review, interrogated the head of the US Air Command, General Mark Kelly, for information on how the work on the creation of the next generation fighter from the NGAD program is proceeding.

In many opinions, the aircraft is called the sixth generation. Now it turns out that this is not just an airplane, but also a complex of unmanned aerial vehicles, spacecraft and some cyber platforms. With the latter, everything is completely incomprehensible.



So, NGAD, Next Generation Air Dominance or "Air superiority of the new generation." On the one hand, everyone understands perfectly well that this is another black hole into which budget money will fly, on the other hand, the Americans, represented by Kelly, claim that the program has advanced further than many expected, and the full-size NGAD demonstrator has already made its first flight.

Next we will have one question, which, I think, will appeal to many, and will surprise many.

Yes, the United States has developed a "system of systems," as they call it themselves. More precisely, these are several families, united by one task and brought together into a single combat system under a single control.

Fighters, Drones, satellites in space, cyber platforms. The latter must be dealt with separately, but the rest is more or less clear.

The fighters, supported by drones, in theory, will be able to penetrate even the A2 / AD - Anti-Access / Area-Denial areas, a high-risk zone into which NATO troops cannot penetrate without unacceptable damage even with superior forces, breaking through any air defense systems. destroying Aviation and the most important targets of the enemy.

I will not sin much against the truth, saying that there are two such zones in the world: China and Russia. Precisely in this order, because an open clash between the United States and the Russian Federation is not possible in itself, if only because there are no good reasons for this. Russia has nothing to drive the United States into an open attack.

But the PRC, which in the United States is already openly called the main rival, and which has concentrated on its territory a huge number of industrial enterprises belonging to owners from the United States, including. Apple, Boeing, Qualcomm, General Electric - these companies will find it very difficult to abandon the Chinese industrial platform.

So if anyone is in danger of being forced to obey, it is China, which is increasingly demonstrating its independence in terms of its political and economic course.

Will the US Air Force be able to penetrate China's airspace today? I will refer to the same "Defense News", which wrote in April this year that it will be very, very difficult to do this with the forces of the fifth generation fighter F-35A Lightning II due to many factors, many of which we have discussed more than once.

«News Defense "note that this is precisely the task that the aircraft, which is being created under the NGAD program, can perform. At least the word "should" sounded. And the F-35A will remain in confrontation with Chinese aircraft and cruise missiles, protecting American military facilities from strikes.

That is, in the opinion of the American military, the newest F-35 is already not suitable today to carry out tasks, acting against developed countries with a decent air defense and air force structure. Meanwhile, the F-35 is like a fifth generation fighter. And - is either outdated, or has not reached the level of solving tasks such as fighting in the A2 / AD zone.

Sixth generation?


Okay, sixth. Which is being developed in many countries, not only in the USA. England, China, Germany, France, Russia - everyone is working on their next generation projects. With all that the fifth has not yet been brought to mind. In reality, none of those countries that have fighters of the latest generation can today confidently say that all issues related to its aircraft have been removed from the agenda.

But nevertheless, everyone rushed to create the next generation.

The question arises: what is it in the next, sixth generation, how will it differ from the fifth?

Today the fifth generation of fighters is flying at close to the limit. For the person in the cockpit. And, despite the help of computers, a modern pilot has to operate with a huge amount of information, control dozens of parameters in flight, and do it all in shorter periods of time.

Actually, designers have long been talking about artificial intelligence. Yes, AI is not yet developed in the same way as the human brain, but it doesn't care whether it is 10g or 20g. The missiles are already maneuvering at overloads of up to 20g, and the Germans claim that their latest IRIS-T missile can withstand 60g.

It turns out that the basic difference between the sixth generation and the fifth in terms of "higher, farther and faster" is in the absence of a pilot in the cockpit. Or the optional presence of a person on the plane.

Forward and upward: behind the sixth generation of fighters

But then isn't it easier to make drones that already exist and that do not require life support and human rescue systems in the structure?

And then - please, that same hypersonic speed, which seems to be also a mandatory feature of 6th generation machines. Absolute invisibility cannot be achieved, this is understandable. But a person in an airplane flying at a speed of 5-6M also looks only theoretically.

Here NGAD looks more or less intelligible. Especially if we consider the "system of systems" as a kind of "swarm". That is, a flock of unmanned vehicles for different purposes, working as a whole. A gang of flying Terminators. Someone is carrying missiles, someone is bombs, someone is electronic warfare modules, someone is a means of communication, and someone is a container with an artificial brain that will control all this.

And at some distance - a couple of planes with people. With a backup control channel in case the artificial brain catches a missile in the convolutions.

But this is how modern anti-ship or cruise missiles already operate. They fly in a flock, replace the leader if they get knocked down, lead others to the target, and so on.

But then rockets. The planes are not so fast, not so inconspicuous. With them, it really should be at the next technological level.

Today, if you look at a fighter of the Penetrating Counter Air (FX / PCA) program, then it should be able to fight enemy fighters, gain air superiority, accompany bombers, and destroy targets of various nature on the ground. Fly long distances, be able to refuel in the air, carry many different missiles and bombs, and be as invisible to radars as possible.

Are there any differences from the same F-35 or Su-57 from the previous generation? That's it.

But other developers also do not claim something revolutionary. Yes, they promise better characteristics of the sixth generation aircraft, but no one is talking about something revolutionary or fundamentally new in equipment.

Yes, the "flying wing" is the only "news". And also not from the category of the newest, this concept of aircraft from the Second World War is in business.

So all this talk about the sixth generation will not soon go beyond talk. Apparently, the number "6" in the reports looks more interesting and (most importantly) more expensive than "5". Or "5+". Or "5 ++". And I really want to sell this topic at a higher price, as not so long ago the British tried to pass off their new "Tempest" as "6". Although he also did not fly as a "five".

In general, the sixth generation, which has only drone and hypersound of the main qualities, is such a weak step forward compared to the fifth generation. It's just an increase in the size and capabilities of existing UAVs, nothing more.

Apparently, the flying demonstration model in the USA is yes, “one small step”. But in order for it to become a truly step for the air force of a particular country, a lot of time must be spent. And many billions.

Perhaps then the tale of the sixth generation will begin to come true.
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  1. +1
    22 September 2021 05: 54
    Someone carries missiles, someone bombs, someone electronic warfare modules, someone means of communication, and someone is a container with an artificial brain that will manage all this.
    And someone is a means of communication to contact the carrier of the means of communication. laughing And also the "container" can be with the pilot, because hypersound itself is not a threat to the pilot, the threat is energetic maneuvering at such a speed.
    1. +6
      22 September 2021 06: 07
      stubbornly fantasize about the 6th generation as a blueprint, without a tail unit, so you can forget about "super maneuverability".
      1. +1
        22 September 2021 06: 24
        So all this talk about the sixth generation will not soon go beyond talk.
        The author succumbed to rumors and spoke already, probably, in the seventh generation.
        With that amount of information, there is nothing to talk about yet.
        1. +6
          22 September 2021 07: 45
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          The author succumbed to rumors and spoke already, probably, in the seventh generation

          But I did not see the author "hypnotized by rumors"! Quite reasonable and, perhaps, even sober reasoning about the wishes of the military class and the "harsh" realities in our world! I liked the article because it is very timely! What are the problems of aviation of the 6th generation, when I just read about the "neural network" shooter! For example, when I have a drink, I’m not talking about such a thing that Zhirinovsky would have envied!
          1. PCF
            +2
            22 September 2021 19: 36
            Sorry, colleague, but you need to take a closer look at the text.
            So NGAD, Next Generation Air Dominance or New Generation Air Superiority. Tsytato.
            The translation is clumsy and the word next is not "new", but the FOLLOWING, this is important!
            In many opinions the plane is called sixth generation. again TSYtato.
            From time to time I read the English, Spanish and German-speaking sectors of the military Internet. There is NO "sixth generation", these are inventions of Russian-speaking figures. It is good for them to use loud and beautiful words - innovations that have no analogues, unique.
            If you pull out the digital gradation of generations from this very emotional composition and bring it to global denominators, you will get hysteria around the IMPLIED (and desired) improvement of aviation weapons. And most importantly, I cannot grasp the central idea of ​​the narrative, either "All is Lost" or "We will All Die".
            Will there be progress in aviation technology? It is inevitable.
            Will MASSOVO planes be produced? the next generations? I doubt. The example of the F-22 explains a lot, the Su-57 confirms.
            What is better than a super-sophisticated hundred fighters of all living things or a thousand simple cheap aircrafts, controlled by slightly trained computer game lovers? I don’t know ... But as in a bawdy rhyme, "hares in a crowd extinguish even a lion."
            And if you go down to sinful earth, then everything depends on money and correct education. No money, but you hold on ...
            Reality is cruel
            1. 0
              23 September 2021 00: 35
              Quote: PCF
              The translation is clumsy and the word next is not "new", but the FOLLOWING, this is important!

              what
              next, nearest, next, future
              quarter next year - quarter next year
              thus NCAD is "new generation air superiority"
              What is NGAD aircraft?
              The NGAD is described as a “family of systems” that allows the Air Force to control the sky at times and places of its choosing, but its centerpiece will be a fighter aircraft. Other parts of the system are likely to be unmanned escort aircraft to carry extra munitions and perform other mission

              Quote: PCF
              From time to time I read the English, Spanish and German-speaking sectors of the military Internet. There is NO "sixth generation"

              of course not"
              https://aviationweek.com/sixth-generation-imaginary
              https://www.aerotechnews.com/blog/2021/04/15/six-predictions-for-the-sixth-generation-fighter/
              even Boeing wants to "adapt" the F / A-18

              or
              USAF Leaders Preview Sixth-Gen Aircraft
              David A. Fulghum April 09, 2010

              USAF: 6.-GENERATION-KAMPFJET GING BEREITS IN DIE LUFT

              The UK Royal Air Force (RAF) chief of staff believes both the US Air Force's (USAF's) Digital Century Series aircraft acquisition reform effort (DCS) and the RAF's Tempest sixth generation fighter program will bring out the best in both nations' aerospace sectors.



              Die 6. Generationn befindet sich in Russland und den USA bereits in der Entwicklung. Diese neue Generation wird aus bemannten und unbemannten Jets bestehen. Die Erprobung soll bereits 2025 erfolgen... Es wird spannend was die Zukunft bringt.


              Quote: PCF
              What is better than a super-sophisticated hundred fighters of all living things or a thousand simple cheap aircrafts, controlled by slightly trained computer gamers?

              in order for 1000 cheap UAVs to fly, controlled by bloggers and gamers, you first need to carry out a regression of the country's air defense systems with the help of hundreds of other F-22 / NGADs.
              Otherwise, the tyshy will not reach
      2. +1
        22 September 2021 11: 20
        Quote: Dead Day
        means you can forget about "super-maneuverability".

        And what is it for? Now everything just flew to the launch zone, fired and back. Air battles in the classical sense will be much less
        1. 0
          23 September 2021 00: 41
          Quote: Overlock
          And what is it for?

          explosive rockets at $ 1 apiece will run out quickly, and at $ 000 apiece.
          but it will be necessary to fight
      3. -2
        22 September 2021 16: 27
        Supermaneuverability is nonsense. Future aviation is cheap and its consequence is quantity.
      4. 0
        8 October 2021 12: 34
        - A modern fighter needs it, "like a dog's fifth leg." The Americans stubbornly ignore this component on fighters, "well, tu-py-e!" laughing
      5. -2
        12 October 2021 18: 31
        means you can forget about "super maneuverability"

        It was given to you. What is it for at all? Exclusively for airshows (window dressing). For nothing else.
        Any maneuver is a loss of speed. And if you can still get away from the first missile (theoretically), then you definitely won't be able to get away from the second one.
        American 6th generation fighters will be equipped with laser systems that are capable of shooting down missiles or illuminating them with a seeker. Therefore, they have "supermaneuverability" like a dog's fifth leg. laughing
    2. +3
      22 September 2021 07: 48
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      the threat is vigorous maneuvering at that speed.

      And if the pilot is placed in the bathtub ... and next to it is a cup of coffee ...? what
      1. +1
        25 September 2021 15: 57
        The bath does not work, we have already checked laughing It is necessary to change the frail protein structures to something with a crystal lattice, in short - again terminators come out wassat
    3. +3
      22 September 2021 08: 25
      And the automation will be so smart that even if it fails, it will allow itself to be corrected. And if you try to "get in" or actively oppose the enemy, the "product" will EFFECTIVELY bring down its own.
  2. +1
    22 September 2021 06: 15
    Perhaps then the tale of the sixth generation will begin to come true.
    ... Surely linking even what has already been done into one efficiently working system is not a task for one, two ... years. Something else new, more perfect will be invented, created.
    What can I say, the creation of military equipment takes a lot, a lot of resources and not weak, such minds!
    Alas, alas, these would be resources, yes, these would be minds, to send to peaceful purposes ...
  3. +2
    22 September 2021 06: 38
    But the PRC, which in the United States is already openly called the main rival, and which has concentrated on its territory a huge number of industrial enterprises belonging to owners from the United States, including. Apple, Boeing, Qualcomm, General Electric
    In the event, to put it mildly, of a military confrontation between the United States and China, the enterprises of these companies, will the Americans bomb or the owners will not give?
    1. +1
      22 September 2021 08: 42
      Quote: parusnik
      In the event, to put it mildly, of a military confrontation between the United States and China, the enterprises of these companies, will the Americans bomb or the owners will not give?

      It depends on where and from what they are insured. laughing
    2. -1
      22 September 2021 16: 28
      No military confrontations, only the economy.
  4. +1
    22 September 2021 06: 57
    No 6th, or even 48th generation of aircraft and drone systems is not able to provide infrastructure activities on the ground. They can gain air superiority if they succeed, of course. They can destroy the ground component of the enemy's armed forces. But only the presence of a person can ensure the vital activity of the ground industrial infrastructure. And here the striped ones from their Tobaccos will have very big problems, especially in China, did they not have enough of Vietnam and others? And if this is not achievable, then why the hell to fence a garden?
    I hope I correctly understood Roman's idea that this 6th generation is intended to ensure the industrial dominance of the striped in China and not only?
    1. +5
      22 September 2021 10: 19
      The principle is simple and older than ancient Rome. If you can't stand out in any way and get ahead, then push your rivals into the shit (for the Americans to drive the rival into the primitive age by destroying the infrastructure) and you will look better against their background. This is the whole essence of American life.
      1. 0
        22 September 2021 11: 21
        Quote: Griffit
        The principle is simple and older than ancient Rome. If you can't stand out in any way and get ahead, then push your rivals into the shit (for the Americans to drive the rival into the primitive age by destroying the infrastructure) and you will look better against their background. This is the whole essence of American life.

        If it works, why reinvent the wheel?
        1. +1
          22 September 2021 12: 33
          Probably because the rivals have their own bikes. Yes
      2. -1
        22 September 2021 13: 51
        The fact is that in ancient Rome there were no missiles with a nuclear warhead, so they used primitive methods. And now, while the striped ones will push China into this very thing, it will fly to them. wassat
  5. bar
    +7
    22 September 2021 07: 11
    an open clash between the United States and the Russian Federation is not possible, if only because there are no good reasons for this. Russia has nothing to drive the United States into an open attack.
    And here is the PRC, which has concentrated on its territory a huge number of industrial enterprises owned by owners from the United States as well. Apple, Boeing, Qualcomm, General Electric - these companies will find it very difficult to abandon the Chinese industrial platform.

    Was this logic strange to me alone? With Russia, which "has nothing", they will not fight, but to roll China, along with a bunch of American enterprises, which now in more or less peacetime earn striped billions of dough, is it easy? Destroying at the same time the very "industrial platform" from which it is "not easy to refuse"? recourse
    Somehow this owl doesn't stretch too much on that globe.
    1. +3
      22 September 2021 07: 40
      Quote: bar
      Was this logic strange to me alone? With Russia, which "has nothing", they will not fight, but to roll China, together with a bunch of American enterprises, which now in more or less peacetime earn striped billions of dough, is it easy?

      The logic is correct. There is no reason for an armed conflict between Russia and the United States. If we remove the loud propaganda and revanchist habits of the current government, this is like the relationship between Australia and Brazil, we are in parallel. Unlike China, with which both we and the United States have a direct conflict of interests and fierce competition.
      1. bar
        +3
        22 September 2021 07: 56
        The logic of the United States is to crush competitors in absolute hegemony on Earth, and about the "revanchist manners of the current government" - this is a finger to the sky. Revanchist habits were, and are, and will be all authorities of the United States, since the days of the first settlers. And these habits were passed on to them by inheritance from the Naglo-Saxons. This is the main logic behind the development of the striped under all powers. And Russia has long been a bone in the throat of the striped in Asia, in Europe, in the North, where it is trying to squeeze out at least some influence. So about "there is no reason for an armed conflict" is complete nonsense.
        The looming conflict with China is from the same series. But with China it is more difficult. If in Russia the striped people have nothing to lose, then in China there is a huge amount of American capital, which will be lost in case of war.
        Well, about the conflict of interests between Russia and China, I will leave out of brackets.
      2. +1
        22 September 2021 11: 22
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Unlike China, with which both we and the United States have a direct conflict of interests and fierce competition.

        And still it will not be decided by force. There will be mutual compromises
      3. 0
        22 September 2021 15: 42
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The logic is correct. There is no reason for an armed conflict between Russia and the United States.

        well, yes, yes .. about the same as between Britain and Germany in 1914 and the USA and Japan in 1942 ... Yes
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Unlike China, with which both we and the United States have a direct conflict of interests and fierce competition.
        China has interests in the Asia-Pacific region, and what kind of conflict do we have there with the Chinese? belay I beg you, do without Taiwanese nonsense about China on the floor of Siberia hi
    2. -3
      12 October 2021 18: 56
      Russia, which has "nothing", will not be at war

      Why should a metropolis fight its colony? Is there a revolution in Russia? An unpredictable change of power? Or has a national liberation movement emerged that Putin cannot cope with?
      There is none of this. Everything is under the full control of the United States. The war with Russia is meaningless. And the bellicose statements of Mr. Putina are just idle chatter to maintain their power.
  6. bar
    +1
    22 September 2021 07: 18
    I have said for a long time that the next generation of fighters is their combination with drones, which expand their strike capabilities not only quantitatively, but also qualitatively. And the fact that we are already testing the Su-57 with the S-70 is encouraging. We are overtaking the striped ones in this matter too. good
    1. -3
      22 September 2021 16: 31
      C-70 sucks. Expensive, useless wunderdrew. A drone should cost like
      mobile phone.
    2. +3
      22 September 2021 17: 56
      I beg your pardon, I will let you down to the ground ...
      Skyborg is a program of the BBC USA laboratory for the introduction of drones as escorts on combat missions. The number of initial participants is 13 companies, both eminent, such as Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop, and not very large and little known.
      One of these firms is already a favorite: the Kratos XQ-58 drone in a joint demonstration flight with the F-35 and F-22 fighters:

      He also drops a simulator of ammunition (which the S-70 has not yet demonstrated):

      Another program demonstrating American drones: the MQ-25 drone, developed for the needs of the US Navy, powers the F-35 (Russian drones have not shown this):

      A line is already under construction for the MQ-25, and will soon go into production. Not far off is the version of electronic warfare, most likely with something according to the Next Generation Jammer program, which implies a new group jamming station to replace the AN / ALQ-99.
      Another program: the X-47B drone takes off fully automatically from an aircraft carrier for the first time in the world in 2013, for the first time in the world the X-47B refuel in the air also independently in 2015 (Russian drones did not demonstrate):

      Similar prototypes in China: early Liyan (2013, very similar to the C-70, which was shown here in 2019) or late Tsaihong-7 (heavy CH-7 is made according to the flying wing scheme, they say they will begin to rivet en masse next year) ... The analogue in Europe is the Dassault nEUROn drone. All samples fly, many have confirmed that independently, at least Kratos and Dasso are using ammunition. Some, like Lockheed, have gone even further and equipped the drone with an integrated OLS to covertly search for the enemy. So the S-70 from Sukhoi, performing takeoff / landing / escort, and exhibition models from MIG and Kronstadt are still not enough for "overtaking the striped" ones. And a few details symbolizing the early stage and so far limited resources of the S-70 program. The tests, judging by the report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIaf5PUOxk&t=490s&ab_channel=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F24, are carried out under control of the operator, do not fully trust the brains yet. The flight prototype flies with an afterburner engine unusual for drones in the absence of its own specialized product. And it will be, judging by the flat nozzle of the exhibition models.
      1. +3
        22 September 2021 18: 04
        Quote from Flanker692
        The analogue in Europe is the Dassault nEUROn drone. All samples are flying, many have confirmed that on their own,


        Quote from Flanker692
        use ammunition.

  7. +7
    22 September 2021 07: 31
    The "sixth" generation is not a fighter at all, it is a whole complex where the fighter we are accustomed to is only a component part. Multiplatform, quasi-AI, distributed network for receiving and processing data, maximum network-centric, neural network, erasing human / robot boundaries, advanced stealth, etc.
    Hypersonic speed is pure fiction and fashion. The fighters do not need it from the word at all, there are too many disadvantages. An attempt to shove it into the 6th generation, this desire remains in the usual coordinates of the LTH, they reached their apogee in the 4th generation, further, in principle, they will not improve.
    1. 0
      22 September 2021 16: 41
      How is it? Previously, divers could descend under 100 meters until they invented pressure chambers and breathing through a liquid. So if they come up with compensators for the overload on the body, then the pilots will again be relevant at hyperspeed.
    2. 0
      23 September 2021 04: 28
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      Hypersonic speed is pure fiction and fashion.

      Hypersound can be implemented in the context of a complex, i.e. drones, for example. Or "stealth" will become even more "optional" than on the F-35.
  8. +1
    22 September 2021 07: 51
    In the issue of the "sixth" generation of fighters, it is not so much money that matters, although nothing will come of it without them, as a technological breakthrough of which something is not visible. Yes, there has already been an incident in history, when the generation changed before the appearance of any successful representative of the previous one - this is the transition from the first generation to the second. But there was exactly the transition from a piston airframe with a "crammed" jet engine or freaks with a bunch of unsolvable problems, to a full-fledged MiG-15 and Sabers. Now what? Controlling a swarm to a drone? - So it hinders the installation of the appropriate means of communication and control on existing machines, not even on fighters, since they will not fly in dangerous zones, but, for example, on a military transport, where there are no restrictions on the volume, power supply and placement of additional operators, or on an AWACS aircraft, which also has superior detection means? It is clear, apart from the development of budgets and the absence of this very swarm, since there are no full-fledged AI yet, and relying on communication channels where the Americans want to break through, and not against underdeveloped countries and babays, is ridiculous. Yes, unmanned and super-maneuverable, with the maximum overload up to 20-30g, it really would be a sixth generation fighter, but again, this requires AI.
    1. +1
      22 September 2021 18: 46
      Don't underestimate your opponent. The Americans conduct the Red Flag exercises in electronic warfare conditions. They clog not only radars, but even radio communications. Pilots are immediately trained to act in such situations. It would be naive to think otherwise. In the states, unlike Russia, there are still specialized aircraft for combating electronic warfare and air defense - F-16CJ (those same "Wild Weasels" are often deployed in Europe and train purposefully against us, by the way), as well as naval EA-18G (they and electronic warfare and anti-electronic warfare in one person). The United States and its allies have accumulated a great deal of experience in "non-kinetic war" with opponents that do not resemble babayev at all on US equipment.
      One of the differences of the 5th generation is just noise-immune communication channels. The F-22 and F-35 use the distributed aperture of their sensors and nose AFAR also as a communication station, which, they claim, allows the creation of directional transmission channels that are an order of magnitude more reliable than omnidirectional standards of the past. The same technology will be on the B-21 and NGAD and will be imported for the transitional budget 4 ++: F-15EX and FA-18 Block 3.
      1. 0
        22 September 2021 20: 19
        Here I am about the same. A manned aircraft, yes, can use a radar with AFAR as a means of communication, carry anti-jamming equipment, and finally, a pilot can carry out a combat mission on his own, without relying on radio communications. Moreover, he often, especially on airplanes using stealth technology, generally tries to keep the radio silence and not turn on the radar, so as not to "light up". But if we are talking about a "swarm" of drones, then equipping them with the same equipment as a full-fledged fighter will make each of them at a price commensurate with a fighter, and without the possibility of full-fledged operation without communication. In any case, until there is an AI capable of replacing humans.
      2. +2
        22 September 2021 21: 13
        Near the military facility Helendale, California, a new development of the US Air Force may have been lit up, possibly within the framework of NGAD.


        1. +1
          23 September 2021 14: 18
          Interesting photos. But I think this is a planned action. It's hard to even imagine that this is some kind of prototype that was abandoned. Because rivals B-2, F-22, F-35, screened out in the early stages, are not published and are generally secret: responsible people refuse to comment on them. In the daytime, and even without tarpaulin, such things are not transported and point-blank at tiktok (possibly directed "hello" to the Chinese) are not broadcast. Ben Rich (former head of Skunk Works) described that during the flight tests of the F-117, not only onlookers with cameras were controlled, but even the flight schedule of Soviet spy satellites, which are activated every time the base in Mojave comes to life. What if fakap? ) It can be seen that this is a lightweight scaled-down model for measuring EPR (from the bottom there is a stand for mounting on a pedestal, the same was for Have Blue, a reduced stealth demonstrator F-117). At the same time, NGAD has already been lifted into the air, which means the program has advanced much further. It can only be his partner drone if.
          1. 0
            23 September 2021 14: 43
            Quote from Flanker692
            But I think this is a planned action.

            I think so. It is useless to guess what exactly it is.
  9. +1
    22 September 2021 08: 49
    A fundamental breakthrough is possible only from the point of view of materials science. New hardware is needed. At the root of something different. And then you can count on a fundamental leap in other areas of aircraft construction.
  10. +2
    22 September 2021 12: 03
    Everyone loves to tell stories and draw frames from cartoons.

    But in fact, the F35 is not a fighter - a missile hunter, as in the article, but a small stealth bomber.

    And the 6th generation - previously described as high-speed and capable of operating in near space,

    But it can be seen expensive, and now only one swarm is left from this. And the default Swarm unit should be cheap, i.e. no supernaturalness of one, only quantity.

    That, in principle, a normal modernized 5e pulls.
  11. +2
    22 September 2021 16: 54
    Like the article leaves to see there is not an important feature that the 5th can not reach at this point, and that can contribute in the definition of the future 6th Generation.

    Unmanned technologies will not define the new generation, because can be applied to the aircrafts of the previous generations, not only the 5th generation. Unmanned technologies were applied in the past to the MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21 and even have been applied to the An-2. Of course unmanned technologies are rapidly evolving and improving, but is not the type of feature that defines a new generation.

    Of course, in every generation, there are projects with poor performance, like the F-35, but the top in the potential development of the 5th generation has not been reached yet. The limit for the 5th Generation is not totally evident still.

    The talking about the 6th Generation is in a very early stage. There is nothing still, and there is much scientific work to do for every project trying. The tone of the article is good in overall terms, but in other cases, there is very much propaganda about the 6th Generation.
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      22 September 2021 18: 31
      As you can see from the article, there is no important feature that the 5th cannot achieve at the moment, and that can contribute to determining the future of the 6th generation.

      Unmanned technology will not define the next generation because it can be applied to aircraft of previous generations, not just the 5th generation. In the past, unmanned technologies have been used on the MiG-17, MiG-19, MiG-21 and even on the An-2. Of course, unmanned technologies are developing and improving rapidly, but this is not the type of function that defines the new generation.

      Of course, there are projects with poor performance in every generation, such as the F-35, but the pinnacle in the potential development of the 5th generation has not yet been reached. The limit for the 5th generation is not quite clear yet.

      Talk about the 6th generation is at a very early stage. There is still nothing, and a lot of scientific work needs to be done for each project. In general, the tone of the article is good, but in other cases there is a lot of propaganda about the 6th generation.
    2. 0
      22 September 2021 18: 32
      This makes your comment look better.
  12. 0
    22 September 2021 17: 06
    Fighters of the 6th generation will switch to inter-fighters in the air for cannon armament and pilot skills, air-to-air missiles will not see the enemy aircraft, everyone will fly in the "house".
  13. +2
    23 September 2021 06: 34
    The sixth generation is (must be) "amphibious", space is the atmosphere. And weapons on other physical principles.
  14. 0
    26 September 2021 09: 21
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    So all this talk about the sixth generation will not soon go beyond talk.
    The author succumbed to rumors and spoke already, probably, in the seventh generation.
    With that amount of information, there is nothing to talk about yet.

    Maybe you just don't know about the amount of information?
  15. 0
    8 November 2021 13: 19
    Why is the 6th generation mock-ups already without keels .... they are not sanitary or maneuverability is somehow provided differently? Why not build all the chips into a conditional Raptor or F35?
  16. 0
    18 November 2021 14: 11
    But then isn't it easier to make drones that already exist and that do not require life support and human rescue systems in the structure?

    And then - please, that same hypersonic speed, which seems to be also a mandatory feature of 6th generation machines.

    - Mr. Skomorokhov, you are once again flogging another stupid nonsense, "without batting an eye" - no, and never has been in the arsenal of a 6th generation fighter with "hypersonic (> 5M) speed". And it couldn't be! Wish you never heard of thermal barrier.
    I asked you to outline and remember how one generation of fighters really differs from the previous and from the next - combat effectiveness, that is, the ability of a generation fighter N guaranteed, repeatedly and with a crushing score to win in a duel situation without any external support generation fighter N-1.
    But you did not understand, did not outline, did not remember.
    And you continue to stubbornly carry stupid nonsense about "hypersound" where no one smells them, and even cannot smell!
    1. 0
      18 November 2021 14: 15
      Colleague, combined scheme ..? Is there a PRD in the final phase?
      Smells, smells strong.
      Not max 8, of course, but oh well ...
  17. 0
    18 November 2021 14: 50
    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    Of course, in every generation there are projects with poor performance, such as the F-35.

    - The F-35 is not an aircraft with "bad characteristics", it is an aircraft where they are fully executed tactical and technical requirements specifically for this aircraft model.
    but the pinnacle in the potential development of the 5th generation has not yet been reached. The limit for the 5th generation is not entirely clear yet.

    Talk about the 6th generation is at a very early stage. There is still nothing, and a lot of scientific work needs to be done for each project.

    - If the 5th generation abruptly differs from the 4th, first of all, by the presence of stealth (or stealth), with a decrease in the frontal RCS by 2-4 orders of magnitude, then for the 6th generation there will be no such leaps and will not be required - there will be just a high-quality development of the characteristics of the 5th: stealth, situational awareness (LPI modes of radar, RTR, electro-optical sensors), missile range and accuracy. Plus an undoubted improvement in the level of the on-board computer network.
    And useful options, including the possible use of subordinate UAVs - both fighters and strikers.
  18. -1
    2 January 2022 21: 48
    The world does not stand still.
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    18 January 2022 19: 28
    ////Everyone is working on their projects////

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