Ukrainians about the exercises "West-2021": Russia showed what can happen to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of an attack on Donetsk and Lugansk

In Ukraine, they continue to discuss the military exercises "West-2021", which were held at the training grounds in Russia and Belarus. At the same time, various Ukrainian experts note various details of these military maneuvers. The opinion expressed in relation to, first of all, the media character of the work of the Ministry of Defense of Russia and colleagues from Belarus is noteworthy.

In particular, they commented on a video clip published by the Russian military department about the conduct of a massive artillery strike during the joint strategic exercises "West-2021". The footage shows how the Russian and Belarusian military strike at a simulated enemy using numerous means of fire destruction. These are self-propelled artillery installations, towed howitzers, multiple launch rocket systems, dozens tanks.

Kiev was alarmed by the exercises conducted on the territory of the Russian Federation and Belarus. At the same time, some Ukrainian experts note that by the scale of these maneuvers, Russia has shown "what can happen to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of their attempt to attack Donetsk and Lugansk."

From the comments of Ukrainian experts:

Russia can only afford to withdraw as much artillery and tanks to a couple of test ranges as our armed forces have in general in their operational state. Therefore, when our generals talk about the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to solve any problem in Donbass, I would like to ask, are they serious? Have they seen footage of the Russian-Belarusian exercises?

At the same time, the reference goes to these frames of the Russian Ministry of Defense:

Comments of Ukrainian users on social networks and on materials in the media:

Will not happen to our army what happened a few days ago with the Afghan?

Belarus has shown that it is against Ukraine. It is sad. But I am counting on NATO's help. It is not in their interests to leave us alone with Putin.

With these exercises, Russia showed what would happen if the Russian army really fought in the Donbass.

Comments

[mitroha]

Belarus has shown that it is against Ukraine. It is sad. But I am counting on NATO's help. It is not in their interests to leave us alone with Putin.

What a pronounced Maydaun of the brain.

With these exercises, Russia showed what would happen if the Russian army really fought in the Donbass.

And then the voice of reason.
This indicates the unevenness of Ukraine's infection with Maydaun. And this is good, with local infection and easier to fight

[The black]

Well, these are the posts of more or less adequate citizens of Ukraine, and the rest on their resources "and from Cherkassy to the Ukrainian seas, Bandera ukrovermakh are all the strongest"

[Machito]

The latest statements by Batka, in response to the hostile actions of Ukraine, suggest that Belarus may well act in an alliance with the Russian Federation against Independent. In this case, the attack on Ukrovermacht can begin from Brest to Rivne and Lviv. A simultaneous landing in Odessa and a march across Transnistria towards the Brest group will allow the whole of Ukraine to be lowered into the cauldron. Ukrovermacht in Donbass will be at the very bottom of a huge cauldron. There will be no time for attacks on Donetsk and Crimea. There, just to have time to run to the cache.

[uralant]

Quote: Bearded

Ukrovermacht in Donbass will be at the very bottom of a huge cauldron.

Like the Illovaysk boilers, they will run to sit out to the sworn aggressor!

[Stepan S]

There if only to have time to reach the caches

There is nowhere to dig the files, the whole forest was cut down and taken out to the owners.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

And then what to do with this cattle? They will immediately rush into their arms to kiss the gums - we have been waiting for you! They couldn't do it! Do you need THIS? I don't. IMHO.

[provergatel]

And here you can answer a short, but extremely simple question: WHY?

Ukrainians have chosen their way to ... Let them rot there. Why do Russian boys have to give their lives for the freaks, who are us..t on themselves and their country?

ENOUGH! We have already fought in the last century for universal happiness. We paid in hundreds of thousands of lives so that the ungrateful creatures, as soon as we were a little weakened, rushed ahead of their own screeching to be sold at a higher price to the overseas master.

[Egoza]

Quote: Black

otherwise, on their resources "and from Cherkassy to the Ukrainian seas, Bandera ukrovermakhs are stronger than all"

Well, yes! And how glad they were that the GDP was on self-isolation! And immediately dreamed: "If Putin gets sick, then we will take the Donbass in 3-5 days!" The fact that Putin can give an order over the phone does not reach them.

[Alex777]

Quote: Egoza

Well, yes! And how glad they were that the GDP was on self-isolation! And immediately dreamed: "If Putin gets sick, then we will take the Donbass in 3-5 days!" The fact that Putin can give an order over the phone does not reach them.

And they don’t even realize that the GDP can “make a mistake” to get sick.

[IL-18]

Quote: Egoza

that Putin can give an order over the phone, they do not get it.

[alex neym_2]

Yes, let them try to poke their nose at Nenko - we will throw them with Brazilian bacon and bottles of French brandy "SAMGENU" - maybe they will get drunk and choke on bacon ... not before the onset! But these teachings are a serious warning. Can serve as a sobering shower on delusional heads? By the way, where is the aviation?

[Alex777]

Quote: aleks neym_2

By the way, where is the aviation?

At the exercises, they showed what they saw fit.

[alex neym_2]

I remember the d / f "SERVICE TO THE SOVIET UNION" - this is how aviation in particular was shown this way: it would not hurt to show the work of drones and other types of military aviation - at least a little bit. but to show (so I want to see) ...

[Alex777]

In the spring, when they really scared, they showed aviation.
Just enough for the Nazis and artillery.
They already had an attempt to copy the Croats.
An hour later, there was no one, there was nothing and there was no need to step on.
And now they just remind, suddenly someone has forgotten how it happens ...

[Motivatornick]

the war will end immediately when Solntsepek appears in Ukrainian binoculars.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Motivatornick

the war will end immediately when Solntsepek appears in Ukrainian binoculars.

I don't know if they will see "Solntsepёk", but the work of "Gradov" in the video impressed!
The first time I saw that all the ammunition in one volley was practically shot off, and not in short volleys of 2-3 missiles.
Impressed specifically!

[potap6509]

The whole package is certainly beautiful, but the very beauty, wherever you arrive, there is definitely beauty there, wow.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: potap6509

The whole package is certainly beautiful, but the very beauty, wherever you arrive, there is definitely beauty there, wow.

Well, this is understandable, the area is covered specifically! Moreover, it depends on what kind of missiles they fired!
So there is not something that is alive, the remains are still, in a real battle, the problem will then be found!

[lucul]

I don't know if they will see "Solntsepёk", but the work of "Gradov" in the video impressed!
The first time I saw that all the ammunition in one volley was practically shot off, and not in short volleys of 2-3 missiles.
Impressed specifically!

Didn't our Israeli "partners" tell you yet that "these are all cartoons shot at Soyuzmultfilm"? )))

[Xlor]

Have the "valiant" Ukrainian Armed Forces already shit in their trousers?

[Shimoza]

Duc their national trousers were invented for this purpose, when Schaub got fucked up - Duc is not visible!

[uralant]

Quote: SHimoza

Duc their national trousers were invented for this purpose, when Schaub got fucked up - Duc is not visible!

I carry my truncated with me. Shob didn't get the susid.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Recognized the video of the city from the native division

[Flooding]

Still, it is strange to see infantry fighting vehicles and tanks in the attack nearby. With such a different level of body armor.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Flood

it is strange to see infantry fighting vehicles and tanks attacking nearby.

"With an artillery density of 300 barrels per km. the enemy is not reported ..."(c) Considering that this is a video of one episode, then after such a" prelude "you can attack on foot.
But not necessary.

[lucul]

"With an artillery density of 300 barrels per km. The enemy is not reported ..." (c) Considering that this is a video of one episode, then after such a "prelude" you can attack on foot.
But not necessary.

Well, and we are all frightened by the Javelin saints. After the operation of the MLRS, there will be no infantry left, and the tanks will freely move forward)))

[Boris55]

I hope that there will never be a war between us and the Ukrainians.
Politicians come and go, but peoples remain.

[Ros 56]

Well, in more detail about the people of Donbass and the ukrovermacht with the Nazis. Do you seriously believe that there will be reconciliation? That Donbass will forgive them for the death of their children? Yes, they will tear them with their bare hands at the first opportunity. They are waiting for the command and see what will happen. There will be no more Ukraine, it has already been torn apart. The Nazis and tore their singers, and it does not matter whether they are Russian, such as Chugunkin or indigenous Raguli.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Ros 56

Do you seriously believe that there will be reconciliation? That Donbass will forgive them for the death of their children?

of course there will be reconciliation - 100%, because we are now friends with both the Germans and the Magyars, and they were much cooler than the National Battalions 404

[Ros 56]

Are you friends? Well, be friends, but I'm not friends with them. Rather, I had a friend, a German, but he is our German, and his uncle fought in the Red Army, so he was my friend. And you can kiss passionately with Bandera. My wife is a pure-blooded Ukrainian, but I can’t give you here how she hides those Banderaites, the Modera will be banned. And you are friends.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Ros 56

Are you friends?

Yes, and I advise you, because it is because of people like you that the whole world fears and hates us, the ball is small and very soon we will be cramped on it and there will be only one people, not English, American or German, there will be earthlings !! So do not watch the news in the morning and do not read the newspapers, more love and positive!

[Ros 56]

Precisely, for hundreds of years we have been scaring the Gayrope, or did they attack us? Stop talking nonsense. The advisor found out. Learn materiel.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Ros 56

Stop talking nonsense.

Putin, in your opinion, is talking nonsense when he says that the people of Ukraine are a brotherly people! well, well, you're getting carried away ...

[89268170588]

According to his position, he cannot say anything else. By the way, he also spoke about pshek

[provergatel]

Please provide a verbatim quote where he speaks about "brotherly people", indicating the source.

[MinskFox]

You are not exaggerating the whole world, hello from Belarus. And they are afraid because they cannot do anything with Russia, and not because of statements.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Well, you and the fruit ... Before the first attack, these should be placed against the wall.

[Kaetani]

These are far from those Magyars and Germans. And all sorts of dobrobatovs are alive of all living

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

No! And this is fundamentally.

[Boris55]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, in more detail about the people of Donbass and the ukrovermacht with the Nazis.

Quote: Tiksi-3

because we are now friends with the Germans

A person by nature is easily inspired and that the power to him through the controlled Means of Formation of the Worldview, referred to as the media, puts in his head, then he gets it at the exit. If we were born in Western Ukraine, we would have a different perception of the World, but if we were born in Tehran, it would be different ...

It is not necessary to smear the whole flock with one paint from one black sheep (~ 2%). As Stalin said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."

[Ros 56]

Precisely, when your relatives will be destroyed, you will remember these maxims about peoples.

[Boris55]

Quote: Ros 56

Precisely, when your relatives will be destroyed, you will remember these maxims about peoples.

My grandfather burned down in a tank near Stalingrad during the Second World War. I hate fascism in any of its manifestations, but I also do not identify it with the entire people.

ps
"Fascism - This is one of the types of culture of public self-government, possible only in a crowd-"elite" society. Fascism is one of the expressions of psychic Trotskyism.

The essence of fascism as such, regardless of how to call him, what ideas he is hiding behind and in what ways he exercises power in society - in the active support of a crowd of "little people" - according to their ideological conviction or lack of ideas on the basis of animal-instinctive behavior - a system of abuse the power of the “elite” oligarchy, which:
represents unrighteousness as supposedly true “justice”, and on this basis, distorting the worldview of people, cultivates unrighteousness in society with all its power, preventing people from becoming a person;
under various pretexts with all power subordinate to her, it suppresses everyone and everyone who doubts the righteousness of her own policy and the one she is pursuing, and also suppresses those whom she suspects.

The crowd, by definition of V. G. Belinsky, is “a collection of people living according to tradition and reasoning according to authority” (in the definition of A. Pushkin, “people are meaningless”), i.e. crowd - a multitude of individuals living shamelessly and essentially thoughtlessly - automatically or under the control of the behavior of its representatives from the outside. And it does not matter whether the ruling oligarchy speaks publicly and ceremonially, being extolled over society; either extolled by default or in an unconscious pride, publicly portraying humility and service to the crowd, calling it people; or acts secretly, assuring society of its supposedly non-existence and, accordingly, “non-existence *”, of its inaction, as a result of which everything in the life of society flows supposedly “by itself”, and not purposefully according to the scripts of conceptually powerful curators of the oligarchy.

This definition-description of fascism does not include frightening and striking signs of its manifestations in action: symbolism; an ideology calling for violence and the annihilation of those whom the masters of fascism have designated as irreparable social evil; calls for the creation of political parties with strict discipline and a system of terror, militias, etc.

About the misanthropic essence of fascism on the basis of the lesson taught by all German fascism, it is said after 1945 * g. lot. Due to the horror of German fascism that became negatively cult, 1933 - 1945 * the given definition may seem to some to be lightweight, divorced from real life (abstract), and therefore not meeting the task of protecting the future from the threat of fascism.

In reality, it is precisely this definition that is the definition of fascism in essence, and not according to the place of origin and not according to the peculiarities of its formation and manifestation in the life of society, which qualitatively distinguishes it from most of the “definitions” of “fascism” given by various explanatory and encyclopedic dictionaries ".

[Ros 56]

Here you have picked up these templates and use them thoughtlessly right and left. Fascism itself hasn't done anything bad to you, it's just a way of thinking. But the people who divide it, just burned your grandfather, just like the Nazis who kill people in Donbass, whom they have never seen in their lives and who have not done anything bad to them. People are not a piece of homogeneous metal, they are different people, including fascists and Nazis, that's what I'm talking about.

[Boris55]

Quote: Ros 56

Fascism itself hasn't done anything bad to you, it's just a way of thinking.

First thought, then action. We act as we think. How we act and live. Can't you catch the causal connections between word and deed?

If not, just remember: "In the beginning was the word."

ps
Reread more closely the definitions of fascism.

that's what I'm talking about.

You talk about them, they deserve our hatred, but you propose to destroy everyone. It is not right.

[Ros 56]

but you propose to destroy everyone. It is not right.

Where did you get this about everyone?

[Kaetani]

It will be like in Odessa on the day of liberation when all the nits were executed

[Sergej1972]

On the other hand, they were executed when it was already safe. I also read testimonies that the bulk of Odessa residents during the occupation took a wait-and-see attitude.

[Kaetani]

The bulk of the occupied territories were engaged in survival. As far as I remember, Odessa was left on the orders of the Headquarters. And many who worked to defend Odessa from the Nazis, as it were, had no choice where to move at the moment the city was abandoned by the Soviet troops ...

[Kaetani]

“In deep silence, without pipes and drums, the last battalion leaves Odessa” - the evacuation of the defensive area on October 16, 1941 can rightfully be considered exemplary. About 86 thousand servicemen, 15 thousand civilians, weapons and equipment were withdrawn to Crimea in one day. But Odessa could still hold on
Its fate was decided by Sevastopol, and nothing could be done about it.

But not everyone was taken out of the city. In a combat order, signed at 19:35 on October 12, the commander of the Primorsky Army, Major General Ivan Petrov, orders the allocation of rearguards "as part of one rifle battalion with a PA battery and anti-tank guns ”.


After the landing and departure of ships with the main forces from the berths, the rearguard units were supposed to be evacuated on coasters and warships of the Black Sea Fleet.

One of these rearguards included my grandfather Sergei Ivanovich Zaborin, who had fought on the defense lines of his hometown in the 2nd combined naval battalion of the 161st Infantry Regiment of the 95th Moldavian Infantry Division since July. After the war, he said that all Odessa residents were sent to cover the retreating units. And when they arrived at the designated place for loading, the ships were not there.

The fighters, who had no choice but to go home, were caught one by one and in small groups by the Romanians, who burst into the deserted city on the evening of October 16.

The grandfather's words are confirmed by the document of the Romanian prisoner of war camp No. 8 in Bolgrad - in the column “place of residence” for all those on the list with him, Odessa and the dates of captivity are indicated on October 17-18.

From here my grandfather fled, was caught and sent to Brasov, ran again and again unsuccessfully. Then there was a penalty camp and a long two and a half years until August 1944. He was among those Soviet prisoners of war who revolted in Slobodzia and Kalafate, successfully organized a defense and met the Red Army units with weapons in their hands.

But all this happened later.


And then, in October, the rearguards successfully imitated the activity, allowing the units of the Maritime Army to board the ships.

From combat reports it is known that in the sector of the 31st Rifle Regiment of the 25th Division and the 161st Rifle Regiment of the 95th Division, “the enemy tried to go on the offensive, but, met with strong artillery and rifle-machine-gun fire, was stopped and thrown back to initial positions ".

Sergei Ivanovich and his comrades completed the task, allowing everyone to be sent in one echelon. This was also facilitated by a diversionary blow delivered at 10 am on October 15 by all artillery forces, including shipborne artillery, and by the Black Sea Fleet air raid on enemy airfields. The enemy's active actions were paralyzed for the day.

The ships arrived at the port of Odessa on October 14 and, setting up a smoke screen, imitated unloading. Columns of cars drove around the rear, the air was filled with the intensive work of radio stations, but the maneuver did not go unnoticed.

The enemy attempted to bombard with forty aircraft and was repulsed by naval and land anti-aircraft gunners, as well as pilots of the 69th Fighter Regiment, who lifted the last serviceable I-5s from the airfield between the 7th and 16th stations of Bolshoi Fontan.

By the way, in the literature on the topic of defense, other pilots, especially naval ones, are undeservedly bypassed. For example, the 9th Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 62nd Fighter Aviation Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet Air Force. And they also contributed to the overall success.

Of the 17 transport ships staying in the port, only the motor ship "Georgia" was damaged, which was converted into a floating hospital. Two bombs hit the stern, damaging the steering, a fire started, quickly extinguished by the crew and the Kalinin motor ship that came to the rescue. Then the ship that lost control was taken by the destroyer "Shaumyan" in tow, until the mechanics repaired everything as it should be - the "Georgia" reached Sevastopol on its own.

All rifle divisions were assigned to different berths and movement patterns were drawn. In addition to small arms, it was ordered to take out all machine guns, mortars, anti-tank and field artillery.

One squadron of anti-aircraft gunners of the 73rd anti-aircraft artillery regiment of the Odessa naval base and 12 guns were loaded onto the double-decked motor ship "Jean Jaures", which the soldiers immediately began to turn into a floating battery, placing two cannons at the bow and at the stern.

The tractors were left on the shore, as well as praised in dozens of articles, but of little use armored tractors "NI" ("To Fear"). Armored trains, part of heavy artillery (including coastal batteries), steam locomotives and carriages, part of the vehicles had to be destroyed. Port facilities, a power station were destroyed, the harbor was mined.

Everyone was in a gloomy mood.

“To be honest, none of us approved of the evacuation of the city's defenders. We, too, then could not really understand why we were leaving Odessa ... I left the city on the Bialystok transport, which left the Odessa seaport on the last large ship.

In the last wave of evacuation, 16.000 defenders of Odessa were taken out of the city. And when our transport departed from the wall of the port berth, my heart was very heavy, ”recalled senior political instructor Joseph Lempert.

In the middle of the day on October 15, the Military Council of the Odessa Defense Region moved the command post to the cruiser Chervona Ukraine.

By 23 o'clock, the last units of the 20th, 25th and 95st rifle and 421nd cavalry divisions, which had made a 2-kilometer march, began to load onto transports. Their retreat from their positions was covered with fire by the cruiser Krasny Kavkaz, the destroyers Bodry and Nezamozhnik, and the artillery that had not yet been exploded - she fired to the last.

The general advance began as it was loaded under the protection of warships and ended by 3 a.m.

Enemy air reconnaissance discovered a convoy of 120 cargo ships and escorts only at about 9 am at the Tendra Spit. The entire further journey to Sevastopol turned into a continuous battle: the ships repelled violent attacks from the air.

Most of all, the steamer Bolshevik, which was the last to sail without cargo as a reserve ship, along with tugs and other trifles, was the last to go, and therefore stood out strongly against their background. Within 5 hours, German planes attacked the wounded ship almost 60 times, eventually driving a torpedo into it and finishing off the stationary hull with bombs. The boats launched into the water were beaten by shrapnel, and the crew had to throw themselves into the water. Of 52 people, torpedo boats picked up 37 and delivered them to Ak-Mechet (now the town of Chernomorskoe) by morning.

The rest managed to fight back. The anti-aircraft guns, which were prudently installed on the Jean Jaures, also came in handy.

“By morning we came to the Tarkhankut lighthouse approximately on the traverse of Evpatoria. Here we were found by a reconnaissance plane. He called a torpedo plane, which was sitting somewhere on the water. They were there guarding our ships and have already sunk several.

The ship was well armed and this torpedo bomber was met with barrage fire on approach. He hadn't expected this. Usually the ship is armed with one 45 mm. cannon, and then there are 4 breaks along the course. And he somehow threw a torpedo. The ship turned and she passed. The plane turned away and started to smoke. Everyone shouted: “Ah! Shot down, shot down! " But I do not know.

When we came closer to the coast of Crimea, fighters flew in from the Kachinsky airfield and we were escorted to the South Bay of Sevastopol, ”recalled Mikhail Nazarenko, a participant in those events, an anti-aircraft instrument operator of the 53rd battalion.

It is worth emphasizing that the evacuation of Odessa did not happen overnight. This was the final chord of a skilful operation that had been going on since October 1.

And for the entire period of 73-day defense on the Odessa-Sevastopol route and back, transport ships of the NKMF made 378 voyages. They delivered military units and horses, tanks and ammunition, various military equipment, took out the wounded and more than 300 thousand civilians, evacuated equipment from 34 large and 80 small enterprises, delivering a total of 287 thousand tons of various cargoes.
But the chord itself is a reason for pride. The covert transfer of such a large number of forces and assets from a foothold behind enemy lines is a brilliant logistic operation. Another thing is that the fate of the defenders was decided not by the 4th Romanian army, so beaten that it took two months to reform it, but by the Crimea.

In the last days of September 1941, the troops of the 51st Army of Lieutenant General Pavel Batov, defending the Perekop Isthmus, withdrew from the Turkish Wall to the Ishun positions. Further to Sevastopol itself, nothing could restrain the Germans, the steppe Crimea did not assume the ability to take a blow. This withdrawal became the key to Odessa, which remained deep behind enemy lines, but all this time it had successfully repelled the attacks of the Romanians.

The Maritime Army, which had been transferred here already on October 17-22, could not help in any way and retreated to the Main Base of the Black Sea Fleet. A new chapter began, the heroic defense of Sevastopol, which continued until early July 1942.

And in memory of the fact that all the events of the war on the Black Sea are linked by a common destiny, the medals "For the Defense of Odessa", "For the Defense of Sevastopol" and "For the Defense of the Caucasus" are included in the so-called Southern Bow. Only about a thousand people who survived these battles became his full cavaliers.

https://ukraina.ru/history/20191016/1025341275.html

[Stepan S]

I hope that there will never be a war between us and the Ukrainians.

The thought torments me, but if the ratio in the military attitude was not in our favor, what would the Ukrainians do? Would you go to Moscow in tanks or not?

[olegjuriewitch]

They tear to the aggressors even without tanks. To work.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

My opinion is that only bloodletting will help relieve this abscess and give a small chance for the territory to heal. But not Ukraine - the project should be closed.

[rocket757]

They, of course, have no other worries, why worry about our teachings?

[Egoza]

Quote: rocket757

They, of course, have no other worries, why worry about our teachings?

Of course! They try on all these volleys. So they think, will it be possible to get out of there?

[rocket757]

All that is necessary, do not go where the bottom!
Everyone, in principle, knows this, and apart from chatter, nothing more and nothing.

[Al_lexx]

In a sense, it is safe to say that the objectives of the exercises have been achieved. It would be strange if it were the other way around. I'm not even talking about the mandatory massive use of aviation and OT missile systems, with the complete closure of the flight zone by air defense systems of all calibers.
Thanks to everybody, you're free.

[aszzz888]

Comments of Ukrainian users on social networks and on materials in the media: Belarus has shown that it is against Ukraine. It is sad. But I am counting on NATO's help. It is not in their interests to leave us alone with Putin.

Naive, to the point of disgrace!

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

As you politely replaced the word "stupid person" with "naive".

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

Someday I will shoot this phone for its "tolerance" ... I wanted to write "d eb il" - and I will.

[HAM]

Unfortunately not naive,but stubborn to disgrace!
On the yu tube there are videos where a man from St. Petersburg communicates with residents of different cities from Ukraine ... the universal confidence that Russia is about to fall apart and they are chopping off a large territory for themselves ... brainwashing is at their height ... "Abroad it will help us! "... yes, it will help ... die ...

[provergatel]

When will you finally understand ???

This is NOT a brainwash! They just are! And all this garbage began not in 2014, not in 2004, or even in 1991, but much earlier.

All these anecdotes about Khokhlyatsky ensigns, about a detachment with a traitor, "two h..la - three hetmans", "h..ol without a stripe ...", about "a Ukrainian was born, a Jew cried," "and what about us? "," Mykola, are you sho ordinary? " etc. did not appear yesterday. All this reflected the features that had been noticed by these people for many years.

When they consider it to be valor and virtue to cheat, to talk, to deceive ... And if he deceived a Muscovite ... then he is a hero at all.

A Ukrainian is not a nationality, not genetics, not skin color, not a nose shape. Ukraine is a misanthropic ideology, a set of the same negative qualities, beliefs and moral attitudes I have mentioned above. This is discharging oneself from the Russian people, and enrolling in a Ukrainian sect. How many Ivanovs / Petrovs / Sidorovs, Russian by birth, but who caught the infection of Ukrainians, fertilized the fields of Donbass, fighting on the side of the Avatarmacht?

[dimy44]

Oh, how good it is for Ukrainians to comment on the sofa / toilet. I can imagine how a military commissar with a cop will come, "well, sho, get ready." Where will that rhetoric go?

[Old ensign]

I ask the author to name the names of "individual Ukrainian experts."

[aszzz888]

Old ensign (Alexander Gribov)
Today, 08: 58
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I ask the author to name the names of "individual Ukrainian experts."

Will something change from this? Poke your finger at every second person who is spinning under the government of Svidomo on TV shows - you won't be mistaken. On weekends and holidays - every first. Pi.C. I'm not an author.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Not the author, but I believe that this is Zemlyansky.

[aszzz888]

Uncle Vanya Susanin (Ivan)
Today, 09: 59

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Not the author, but I believe that this is Zemlyansky.

Do you know Venka Shirinkin? No! So I am not familiar with "Zemlyansky".

[JD1979]

Quote: Old ensign

I ask the author to name the names of "individual Ukrainian experts."

Why surnames? You need to understand the level of the experts)) Judging by the comments in the article and the comments under the article, they are on the same level with the local ones))) A couple of comments from people using the brain do not make the weather unfortunately.

[From Tomsk]

You should not be afraid of Russia, but your people, to whom you treat like cattle.

[wow]

"... I hope for NATO's help ...". Hope, hope - "abroad will help you ...".

[Vaccine]

The patience of Russia and Belarus is running out of svidomye and your masters ..
The time for chatter and persuasion is over.
But still, I hope that such force will not have to be used .. There are still many adequate people left in Ukraine .. We must hang this whole gang in Kiev and cleanse it of Bandera.

[rotmistr60]

Russia has shown that "what can happen to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of their attempt to attack Donetsk and Lugansk"

Did some of them get it? From the comments of the Ukrainians, I was struck by the comment with the hope of NATO assistance. Svidomo does not argue about the fact that one should not try to attack Donbass, but talks about the mythical help of the Americans, relying on the importance of Ukraine for them.

[Egoza]

Quote: rotmistr60

Svidomo does not argue about the fact that one should not try to attack Donbass, but talks about the mythical help of the Americans, relying on the importance of Ukraine for them.

Well, since the organization of NATO bases is in full swing on the territory of Ukraine, why not hope? But the trouble is that NATO can evacuate its bases just as quickly as the United States is in Afghanistan.

[rotmistr60]

The trouble is that many are confident that the Americans will not abandon them, like the Afghans. Even the example of Georgia in 2008 does not add to the mind.

[kosicina-1mail.ru]

Yes-ah-ah-ah, blue and yellow, this is for you, not a trifle in your pockets ...

[Anchonsha]

The corrupt Ukrainian Bandera-Jewish elite under the watchful leadership of the CIA still hopes that the West, and most of all the United States, will not dare to leave them as it happened with Afghanistan. Well, it does not fit into their convolutions that after the betrayals of their people, denigration and accusations of all their troubles to Russia and the sycophancy shown by them before the US authorities, the latter can throw them. Throw, still throw. It is a pity only the simple Ukrainian people. Although there is no need to feel sorry for them, they are also guilty of their fall because of the pitiful wishes to live for free.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

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The latest statements by Batka, in response to the hostile actions of Ukraine, suggest that Belarus may well act in an alliance with the Russian Federation against Independent. In this case, the attack on Ukrovermacht can begin from Brest to Rivne and Lviv. A simultaneous landing in Odessa and a march across Transnistria towards the Brest group will allow the whole of Ukraine to be lowered into the cauldron. Ukrovermacht in Donbass will be at the very bottom of a huge cauldron. There will be no time for attacks on Donetsk and Crimea. There, just to have time to run to the cache.

It turns out that not only there are “awesome” military theorists in the area. Only none of them can answer the only question: * (why) does Russia need this? To restore the Ukrainian economy? What would then the survivors and non-escaped Svidomo keep a fig in the pocket of their trousers and secretly spit in the borscht? We don't need those! Russia has enough of its own problems. Let the Poles divide Ukraine with the Hungarians. And what is needed will grow in Russia itself.

[Irek]

The shalwar are already full of feces.

[kind]

Guys let's be friends! You don't need to think that we want to fight with you. Politicians and people of Ukraine are different concepts. I am now addressing the normal Ukrainian people!

[Ross xnumx]

Ukrainians about the exercises "West-2021": Russia showed what can happen to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of an attack on Donetsk and Lugansk

One, for a long time, correct thought.
The same case will occur if the barking volume exceeds the permissible limits.

[Normal ok]

Another goon propaganda
"Ukrainians" here, as well as "Germans, Frenchmen, Americans" in other publications, are simply trolls on whose behalf they publish chewing gum for people.

[TatarinSSSR]

The last cited Ukrainian commentary is straight to the point.

[Vladimir Anatolyevich]

D. B (s) ... Either remove the cross, or put on panties ...

[babylon]

The Patriotic War ended faster, but here we have a business project called "war" to launder money and destroy the Ukrainian people

[shinobi]

Exercises are, first of all, a NATO signal - sit straight and do not crawl. But now the Yankees have such a situation that everyone and everything (themselves in the first place) needs to show their coolness. And preferably with someone else's hands. Skakuas in this show are extras. Now they will not be able to fight, Winter is Close, and in the spring it will be clear who is what and how.

[Andrey Moskvin]

All this is possible with full control of the sky. General Douai was right.

[tank64rus]

Russia has received a new army over these nine years. All peremogi issued by the Ukrainian media about the increase in the power of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the basis of statements by officials from Ukraine should be considered as PR of deputies before the elections - choose me and I will decide everything. Nobody wants to lose a place of bread and, most importantly, power.

[West 2000]

I beg of you! Who was going to attack the Donbass there? So, shaking the air and no more. The top is thieving, of course, but not suicide bombers!

[Charik]

What are you arguing, all people are the same from bones and flesh, and whoever gets into the brains of politics-religion, this is a problem (contrived on purpose) to kill each other