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Kiev warned of the risk of losing several more regions of Ukraine

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Ukraine's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements could lead to the loss of six more regions. This is the conclusion reached by the former Deputy Minister for the Temporarily Occupied Territories of Ukraine Georgy Tuka.


In his interview with the Ukrainian "Observer" Tuka said that Kiev's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements could become a "trigger" for the formation of six more regions of "people's republics" like Donetsk and Luhansk with a simultaneous secession from Ukraine.

According to him, Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions are quite ready for separation. This can happen if the country's authorities continue to pursue an unprepared withdrawal from the Minsk agreements, which is where everything is going now. However, the country's leadership "is far from understanding these threats," Tuka said.

The ex-deputy minister is sure that Kiev needs to withdraw from the agreements on Donbass, but it needs to be done in a different way, for example, by increasing the defense capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but Kiev is unlikely to dare to do this, he said.

Meanwhile, Kiev has a plan to return the territories of Donbass by military means. This was told by the adviser to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Oleksiy Arestovich. According to him, at present no one knows how Donbass will be "de-occupied", but no one excludes the military option. At the same time, an offensive in Donbass will be possible only under force majeure circumstances, when Russia "will not have time for it."
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  1. VORON538
    VORON538 17 September 2021 15: 05
    0
    What nonsense are these ministers with non-Slavic surnames talking about? He is hinting that the Ukrovermacht lacks weapons and needs even more money to be able to steal more? Or will Ukraine fall apart? And Moscow needs these territories ??? as well as in the near future.
    1. Avior
      Avior 17 September 2021 15: 30
      +6
      Not ministers, but former ministers
      former deputy minister

      The key word here is “former”.
      The nuance that changes everything.
      hi
      1. kytx
        kytx 17 September 2021 15: 39
        0
        I totally agree
    2. svp67
      svp67 17 September 2021 15: 35
      +3
      Quote: VORON538
      What kind of nonsense are these ministers with non-Slavic names talking about?

      He is working out his place ... and his surname is quite Slavic, most likely Polish
    3. Yuriy71
      Yuriy71 17 September 2021 15: 36
      +4
      They called you from Moscow and said that she "does not need these territories?" From which booth and from which number, give me the number, I want to clarify!
      1. orlandoche
        orlandoche 17 September 2021 22: 53
        -3
        Rather, they called from the ward, from where he was released due to a misunderstanding
      2. private person
        private person 17 September 2021 23: 25
        +4
        They called you from Moscow and said that she "does not need these territories?"

        The person simply expressed his point of view. But you tell me why Moscow needs these lands?
  2. Xlor
    Xlor 17 September 2021 15: 09
    +26
    Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions

    Quite good territories ...
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 17 September 2021 15: 16
      +2
      The Far East is not good for anything?
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 17 September 2021 15: 29
      +5
      Quote: Xlor
      Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions

      Quite good territories ...


      Everything is already planned for the campaign, who will get what.


      https://zapytaj.onet.pl/Category/014,004/2,29872838,Czy_Polska_powinna_zerwac_stosunki_dyplomatyczne_z_Ukraina.html
      1. Tamparu
        Tamparu 17 September 2021 18: 19
        +12
        As if the Odessa region on the map was painted a little incorrectly. The fact that, allegedly under the Romanians, will never work. The main population of this territory is Gagauz and Bulgarians. Do they need it? Yes, and Odessa-mother, judging by the map, remains under the UN, or what? Disorder ...
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 17 September 2021 18: 21
          0
          Quote: TampaRU
          As if the Odessa region on the map was painted a little incorrectly. The fact that, allegedly under the Romanians, will never work. The main population of this territory is Gagauz and Bulgarians. Do they need it? Yes, and Odessa-mother, judging by the map, remains under the UN, or what? Disorder ...

          And who is going to ask them whether they need it or not? Romanians during the Second World War during the occupation of Odessa did they ask the citizens of Odessa what they want?
          1. Tamparu
            Tamparu 17 September 2021 18: 22
            +3
            But here you have to ask, believe me, I know ...))
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 17 September 2021 18: 27
              0
              Quote: TampaRU
              But here you have to ask, believe me, I know ...))


              What can civilians oppose the army?
              .Romanian warriors badly coped with the sword of a warrior. But they perfectly mastered the gendarme's foot and the knife of a robber from the high road. This quality of the Romanian army was invariably distinguished throughout the war. Its path across our land is marked by rampant robberies, destruction, killings, violence and incredible atrocities against civilians in the temporarily occupied Soviet territories. In these cases, Romanian soldiers and officers showed themselves to be worthy partners of the German cannibals.

              Immediately after entering Bessarabia, the Romanian invaders began mass reprisals against employees of Soviet institutions. Trying to squeeze all the juices out of the population, the invaders began to strangle the peasants with taxes. They took the bread and took it to Romania and Germany. In Odessa, Romanians seized residents indiscriminately and threw them into prisons and camps. Innocent people were taken out of the city and shot there in whole parties.

              The Romanian soldier Banu Ion, captured by the Red Army, said: “From October 1941 to February 1942, I served in the Romanian police in Odessa. During all this time, mass arrests and executions of civilians were carried out. The executions took place at night. Every night they took out 5-6 trucks, 20 or more people on each ”.

              In the Odessa catacombs, the Romanians managed to capture a group of Soviet people. They were all shot. At the end of 1941, to intimidate the population of Odessa, the Romanians hung people right on the streets of the city. Atrocities and robberies in the occupied areas were carried out by order of the High Command of Romania.

              The captured Romanian corporal of the 13th cavalry regiment Branzan Constantin showed:


              “The Romanian command issued an official order on the extermination of the population in the settlements captured by the Romanian troops, which was carried out after the occupation of villages and towns. Second Lieutenant Ginku Marius always told his soldiers that they were allowed to take from the local population those items that the soldiers would need. This right was widely used by our soldiers. Ginka Marius himself systematically raped Russian women. "

              The ad'utant of the 1st division of the 6th artillery regiment, junior lieutenant of the Romanian army Brashevan Radion, captured by our units, said:

              "In September 1942, the order of the commander of the 9th cavalry division, Colonel Kiric, was announced to us to shoot as many Russians as possible without any mercy."

              https://0gnev.livejournal.com/1502957.html
              1. Tamparu
                Tamparu 17 September 2021 18: 35
                +6
                Let's not confuse the righteous with the sinful, shall we?
                In 1941, the Romanians did not take Odessa-mother, they were, for the most part, in the train. Ours fought against the Germans. When the Germans, after long torment, took it, the control was transferred to the Romanians. That is, when? When the Germans did their dirty work. The Romanians would not have had the courage to take Odessa by themselves !!!! Especially now !!! Any decision that will involve the transfer of territory or part of the territory to the Republic of Romania will cause a sharp negative reaction from the local population and, believe me, knowing the nature of this local population, Romanians will never go there themselves. Never!!! Unless, of course, someone helps them. They are weak on the "front". They only eat hominy and drink wine. Fighting is not about them !!!
                Something like that, Dear ... hi
      2. opuonmed
        opuonmed 17 September 2021 18: 58
        -1
        2016) article
      3. Igor Ushakov
        Igor Ushakov 18 September 2021 16: 58
        0
        However, the Poles have appetites, in addition to three regions of Galicia (Lvov, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk), 5 more want. And Odessa was not "given" to Russia!
    3. barclay
      barclay 17 September 2021 15: 51
      -6
      Good for what? What to raise them? Russia has enough of its own undisturbed territories. Let them be independent, neutral and with independent economic development. This is quite enough for Russia.
      1. fruc
        fruc 17 September 2021 17: 56
        +1
        There is no empty place. There will be no Russia. there will be someone else., possibly aggressive and incapable of negotiation. But such a scenario with disintegration is not yet realistic.
    4. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 17 September 2021 16: 11
      +13
      If it were not for the betrayal of the local elite, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk regions should have separated from Ukraine back in 2014.
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 17 September 2021 17: 58
      +7
      Quote: Xlor
      Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions

      Quite good territories ...

      Lands of historical Novorossiya. Created by Potemkin, Catherine the Great and our People. Novorossiysk province and Novorossiysko-Bessarabskoe general-governorship. According to the administrative-territorial division of the beginning of the XNUMXth century, Novorossia in the narrow sense included the Kherson, Yekaterinoslav and Tauride provinces, in the wider - also the Bessarabian province, the Kuban region, the Black Sea and Stavropol provinces, the Don Cossack Region. The name "Novorossiya" was used at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Then the communists were the days of the Ukrainian SSR. Rather, they would have returned to the big Russia!
    6. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 17 September 2021 23: 26
      0
      Quite suitable territories

      Only the fauna there is so pretty ...
  3. prior
    prior 17 September 2021 15: 10
    +2
    "Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions are quite ready for separation. "

    Well, what are we waiting for ?!
    Zhytomyr, Vinnytsia, Kirovograd, Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy - get ready.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 17 September 2021 15: 13
      -3
      What will you do with those people who consider themselves citizens of Ukraine and will fight for their beliefs (and there will be many of them, this is not Crimea with a pro-Russian population)? Are they waiting for you there? We, no, I don’t know about you. I agree. that these are the lost territories of the Russian Empire, but it is not realistic to return them like that.
      1. prior
        prior 17 September 2021 15: 16
        +7
        And you don't need to do anything with them. They themselves are ready to secede from the fascist regime. They will form their own Little Russia and will cooperate. Or is the LDNR a burden to you?
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 17 September 2021 15: 20
          -1
          LDNR-started for health but how did they end-another Transnistria is next in turn. You did not answer the question, what to do with the millions of people who believe that Ukraine is at war with Russia and will fight against Russia. Why do you need these territories? Go scratch him to our Far East, otherwise we have an outflow of the population.
          1. prior
            prior 17 September 2021 15: 24
            +4
            Those who believe that Ukraine is at war with Russia, and we will populate the Far East. I have experience.
            And there are no superfluous territories, otherwise you would have been citizens of the PRC for a long time.
            1. isv000
              isv000 17 September 2021 16: 15
              0
              Quote: prior
              Those who believe that Ukraine is at war with Russia, and we will populate the Far East. I have experience.

              Good topic! And that is, in Europe, those who want to go back, but live in the Crimea! And you still have to earn it, suffer ...
            2. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 17 September 2021 17: 47
              +1
              Kindergarten.
            3. VORON538
              VORON538 18 September 2021 01: 30
              -2
              We do not need these horses in the Far East. As for Ukraine, a submachine gun in hand and forward, you can grab your battle sofa! It is known for certain that sofa warriors are the best warriors in the world :))) A sort of berserkers :)))
      2. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 17 September 2021 15: 34
        +6
        There will be no resistance. Since the people in these regions do not have any nationalistic convictions. And whoever has, they will run away in the same way as they fled from Mariupol in a column, overtaking each other.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 18 September 2021 01: 36
          -4
          Your awareness of these issues is striking. You need to go to the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces urgently. And then there, apparently, incorrect information about the adjacent territory :))) Do not forget your combat sofa. During "h" it will be useful to you! :)))
      3. Glory to Berkut
        Glory to Berkut 17 September 2021 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: VORON538
        What will you do with those people who consider themselves citizens of Ukraine and will fight for their beliefs (and there will be many of them, this is not Crimea with a pro-Russian population)

        That is, you admit that the Crimeans voluntarily expressed a desire to become part of Russia, and Crimea was not annexed? That the sanctions are intended to punish the Crimeans for their democratic choice? smile
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 18 September 2021 01: 38
          +1
          Show me my comment, where would I say the opposite?
      4. fruc
        fruc 17 September 2021 18: 10
        +2
        Such "odious" ones are everywhere, children of former Bandera supporters and those who have joined them, an aggressive, screaming minority. They were there always and everywhere, only before (in the Ukrainian SSR) they did not want to be noticed and were even appointed to responsible positions in the leadership. In the end, get the result.
      5. Chervony Biker
        Chervony Biker 17 September 2021 20: 07
        +4
        I was also tormented by this question for a long time ... Just three months of broadcasting adequate television and other propaganda and information channels will do their job. Add to this - who and how much stole from the post-Maidan "leaders". And after that, perhaps they will not begin to applaud the new device, but they will definitely not regret the lost "national power". Today the people of Ukraine are intoxicated precisely by the shameless manipulations from TV screens, brainwashing and the atmosphere of fear. Take it away and see for yourself how it will be transformed. Give people jobs in the field with decent wages. Better yet! It is easy for Russia itself to return to the socialist path of development. And then those wishing to come back and join very soon will line up
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 September 2021 15: 15
      +4
      Quote: prior
      Zhytomyr, Vinnytsia, Kirovograd, Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy - get ready.

      And Poltavskaya is nearby.
      1. prior
        prior 17 September 2021 15: 20
        +1
        I was afraid to miss someone, but I did.
        Well, we also wait for Poltava residents, well, as without them, without the Sorochinskaya fair and the famous dumplings with cherries. love
        1. isv000
          isv000 17 September 2021 16: 12
          -1
          Quote: prior
          Well, we are also waiting for Poltava residents, well, how can we do without them

          All through the polygraph!
        2. fruc
          fruc 17 September 2021 18: 16
          -2
          Do you want a Bandera barrel and a bullet in the back by accident?
          1. Chervony Biker
            Chervony Biker 17 September 2021 20: 18
            +4
            Ordinary people for the most part are very influenced by politics and simply want a more well-fed life for themselves and their loved ones. And they, in general, do not care how it happens. By washing a Polish toilet or building a road in your area. The latter is preferable for the majority, all other things being equal. And for any Bandera there is a hawk. Provided that people gained more from the changes than they lost.
    3. isv000
      isv000 17 September 2021 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Zhytomyr, Vinnytsia, Kirovograd, Kiev, Chernigov, Sumy - get ready.

      Kukuev is not necessary - a lost place. The whole story ...
      1. prior
        prior 17 September 2021 16: 21
        +2
        Without black, there would be no white. Everything in the world is in contrasts.
        Kukuev. You hear something so dear .. lol
        Let it be. Nobody is perfect.
        All kinds of mothers are needed, different mothers are important ...
        1. isv000
          isv000 17 September 2021 16: 22
          -1
          Ok, I'm sold..
  4. Fungus
    Fungus 17 September 2021 15: 14
    +10
    The southeast of Ukraine will go to Russia this is a matter of time. Our people are there and they are against the Nazis.
    1. isv000
      isv000 17 September 2021 16: 11
      0
      Quote: Fungus
      The southeast of Ukraine will go to Russia this is a matter of time. Our people are there and they are against the Nazis.

      With the departure of the South-East, the American ambassador will leave Kukuev, and the neighbors will tear the cold body ...
  5. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 17 September 2021 15: 18
    +2
    Kiev warned of the risk of losing several more regions of Ukraine


    We read the correct message to "Western partners" - "Give me a penny, otherwise we will give it back"))
  6. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 17 September 2021 15: 20
    +1
    However, the country's leadership "is far from understanding these threats," Tuka said.

    Kicked out into retirement - so he immediately began to speak sensible speeches. Only now "in the execution" all ukrofuehrer speak and do exclusively through the anus.
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 September 2021 15: 27
    +5
    But if Donetsk and Lugansk were socialist republics, then not six regions would have joined, but all of Ukraine.
    1. Cat
      Cat 17 September 2021 15: 32
      0
      But if Donetsk and Lugansk were socialist republics, then not six regions would have joined, but all of Ukraine

      What about Russia?
    2. Chervony Biker
      Chervony Biker 17 September 2021 20: 23
      0
      Gold words. Socialism and what is behind it is completely inevitable. This is very noticeable in old Europe. On many points in this same Germany there is already more socialism than there was in the Union. It is different, sometimes it is even unnecessary, but the trend is obvious
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 September 2021 15: 31
    +12
    the country's leadership is "far from understanding these threats"
    The country's leadership does not understand anything at all. The general dreams of driving a tank along the Arbat, Kuleba threatens to expose the conditions of the United States and bend Europe, Zelensky passes off a trip to Washington as a great change, another figure declares that they are not begging, but demanding their own ... They live in a virtual world, but with confidence, that everyone owes and owes them.
  9. Andrea
    Andrea 17 September 2021 15: 31
    0
    You can go out, but Minsk-3 will no longer exist, but will be like in South Ossetia.
    Figs to you, not a small victorious war.
  10. position
    position 17 September 2021 15: 35
    +2
    Run to Lviv "hospoda" Bandera, otherwise it will be too late .. There is nothing to plunder in Ukraine, and you have a lot of people who want to live on US handouts, but you do not succeed
    Soon the pipe will be closed and then it will surely begin
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 17 September 2021 15: 46
    +2
    Kiev warned of the risk of losing several more regions of Ukraine
    So they themselves are to blame, but they will squeal differently, obviously.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 September 2021 17: 46
      +3
      Good time! hi

      They want to panic, but they have to work and work very hard ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 September 2021 18: 39
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        There are a lot of cheered up, spiritualized, too many have become ... it will not end well, especially for them.
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 September 2021 18: 56
          +3
          That's just the point, they are not carried in a childish way, they are already beginning to teach everyone ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 17 September 2021 20: 03
            0
            So then on the upper ones, from there, everyone, except for the same fucking ones, spat ..
            but their masses were infected, their brains were completely shaken.
            This is already a national disaster.
            For us, as their neighbors, this is also not ice and for a long time, it seems.
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 September 2021 21: 18
              +2
              For us, this is just the biggest problematic complex, it can only be changed in a radical way ...
  12. Basarev
    Basarev 17 September 2021 15: 56
    -1
    No, there will be no more areas leaving the composition. What is there to talk about when even the bits of Donetsk and Luhansk cannot come to an agreement with each other, cannot recapture the lost lands? And the example of Odessa is remembered too well. It is much more likely that the DLNR is in its final days.
    1. Chervony Biker
      Chervony Biker 17 September 2021 20: 33
      0
      If you pull out a certain time period from the general course and development of events. It's kind of like you're right. But we understand that nothing is over yet. And the point is not in the Republics and how they "failed", but in Ukraine itself. Having received the best starting positions in everything 30 years ago, where are you today? Even the ideas of nationalism were fortunately implemented so disastrously and even caricatured! That today is causing rejection in the westernmost regions of Ukraine.
  13. yfast
    yfast 17 September 2021 16: 02
    +1
    Quote: Pozicia
    Run to Lviv "hospoda" Bandera, otherwise it will be too late .. There is nothing to plunder in Ukraine, and you have a lot of people who want to live on US handouts, but you do not succeed
    Soon the pipe will be closed and then it will surely begin
    Take off your rose-colored glasses, they are the highest race there, they can kill a sympathizer and nothing will happen to them. And, unfortunately, the pipe will not be blocked.
  14. Maikcg
    Maikcg 17 September 2021 16: 03
    +2
    Who is the last to leave Ukraine - that and the debts.
  15. isv000
    isv000 17 September 2021 16: 05
    -1
    At the same time, an offensive in Donbass will be possible only under force majeure circumstances, when Russia "will not have time for it."

    Even if Russia will have a lot of time, then in this case there will always be a hundred Calibers for cooling the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and then the militias will figure it out themselves, leave Lviv as it is or rename it ... hi
  16. alystan
    alystan 17 September 2021 17: 22
    0
    This is his position as a minister without a portfolio - to manage non-existent or those who are ready to join such territories. Or at least remind yourself that you are busy with business.
    His surname is notable - Knock-knock, who's there, it's me, a nonexistent minister ...
  17. Nikolay Sayenko
    Nikolay Sayenko 17 September 2021 17: 26
    +1
    the dancing on the Maidan continues ... the smoke is a veil, so that the hand that is rummaging through the pockets of Svidomo and each surprise "and sho?" laughing
  18. cniza
    cniza 17 September 2021 17: 44
    +2
    According to him, Kharkiv, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions are quite ready for separation.


    Not a complete list, far from complete ...
  19. opuonmed
    opuonmed 17 September 2021 18: 59
    0
    Ukraine to take into the Russian Federation and the government of Ukraine to hang for the genocide of its people, that's all!
  20. Leonidych
    Leonidych 17 September 2021 21: 40
    0
    Even if they come out of the Minsk agreements, nothing will happen. As they shot, they will shoot. Until they begin a large-scale offensive, there will be no response. And they won't start.
  21. Dizel200
    Dizel200 17 September 2021 23: 19
    0
    How annoying you are. Who needs you?
  22. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 17 September 2021 23: 24
    0
    A completely normal state could have turned out. And with access to the sea ..
  23. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 17 September 2021 23: 25
    +2
    "Ukraine" has nothing to lose, it has no country, no regions, it has been a colony since 2014 and nothing belongs to it there, so there is nothing to lose.
  24. Evil 55
    Evil 55 18 September 2021 03: 32
    0
    Well, everything "got through" Tuka .. Now the Junta will snatch him as an "agent of the Kremlin" and a hidden separatist ..
  25. Black cowl
    Black cowl 18 September 2021 08: 10
    +3
    Quote: private person
    They called you from Moscow and said that she "does not need these territories?"

    The person simply expressed his point of view. But you tell me why Moscow needs these lands?

    Firstly, these are Russian lands.
    Secondly, these are quite industrial regions, despite the efforts of the Ukrainian authorities to destroy everything.
  26. aleks700
    aleks700 18 September 2021 08: 35
    +1
    "Ukraine's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements may lead to the loss of six more regions"
    Hurry up.
  27. shinobi
    shinobi 18 September 2021 14: 08
    0
    I look at all this and for some reason I remember a bearded anecdote (from the times of the USSR) about a herd of cows and two bulls on a hill, old and young.
  28. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 18 September 2021 16: 26
    0
    It is possible to formulate the idea more simply and more precisely - which of the regions wants to remain part of this impoverished, squalid territory? I think only kuevskaya)))
  29. AB
    AB 19 September 2021 08: 48
    -2
    God! Save Russia from 6 more regions of Ukraine. Only such freeloaders in Russia are not enough, with their own, already adopted, to sort it out. Syria alone costs so much.
  30. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 19 September 2021 12: 06
    0
    Why do the rudiments of reason appear only among former politicians?
  31. Sovok_Jiv
    Sovok_Jiv 19 September 2021 13: 06
    0
    Quote: VORON538
    And Moscow needs these territories ??? At the moment, no, as in the near future.

    So there is still a war going on there?